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| 01:00.28 | TheInformaticist | Please help. How do I change the font size permanently in my console? I mean the console, not a virtual terminal. I tried modifying values in a file, following some directions online, but it didn't have any effect. |
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| 01:08.26 | petn-randall | TheInformaticist: `dpkg-reconfigure console-setup` should give you a menu to change it. |
| 01:08.28 | a0z | TheInformaticist: sudo dpkg-reconfigure console-setup |
| 01:08.40 | petn-randall | jinx a0z |
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| 01:11.37 | TheInformaticist | Thanks! I'll try it. |
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| 02:24.39 | ryouma | i still don't get this from apt-get : "The following package was automatically installed and is no longer required: libjsoncpp1 (1.7.4-3)\n Use 'apt autoremove' to remove it.\n 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded." where apt autoremove does not remove it and i ahve to manually remove it. notice the 0 to remove there! |
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| 02:28.32 | khobo | By default, Incredible PBX whitelists all of the non-routable LAN subnets including 10.0.0.0/8, 172.16.0.0/12, and 192.168.0.0/16 |
| 02:28.42 | khobo | this means everything 192.168.x.x is white listed yes? |
| 02:29.03 | khobo | https://pastebin.com/2QgJmqge |
| 02:29.07 | khobo | this is what my actual IPtables looks like atm |
| 02:29.12 | khobo | (ass to mouth) |
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| 02:31.27 | ryouma | (new problem) my bios has my hard drive as a choice of something and ahci. what is typically correct? |
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| 02:56.56 | genr8_ | AHCI |
| 02:59.19 | genr8_ | "apt autoremove" is a command you have to manually run. |
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| 03:00.55 | genr8_ | when you get that warning message from apt-get you still have to run apt autoremove yourself |
| 03:01.26 | genr8_ | it says "0 to remove" because you havent agreed to actually remove anything yet. |
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| 03:06.26 | ryouma | when i run apt autoremove it does nothing. i have to manually apt-get purge, strangely enough. |
| 03:06.45 | ryouma | ok, next time i am in bios i will try changing it to ahci. i wonder if it will speed up the drive or something. |
| 03:06.46 | genr8_ | thats odd |
| 03:07.09 | ryouma | this occurs all the time |
| 03:07.33 | genr8_ | not for me |
| 03:07.40 | ryouma | i wonder if i can set apt-get to remove those things |
| 03:07.52 | ryouma | hmm, i want purge i guess |
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| 03:35.01 | khobo | guys i have this weird prebaked raspberry pi install i'm doing |
| 03:35.16 | khobo | and the script calls for /dev/mmcblk0p1 which is pi code for SD partitions |
| 03:35.22 | khobo | i'm trying to install on an SSD |
| 03:35.27 | khobo | could i just rename my partitions to that? |
| 03:35.33 | khobo | efi = sda1 = mmcblk0p1 |
| 03:35.33 | khobo | ext4 =sda2 = mmcblk0p2 |
| 03:35.38 | khobo | would that work?? |
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| 03:45.24 | genr8_ | try and find out |
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| 04:26.04 | willow_ | time to do this. boot rescue system, resize partitions to increase /boot. |
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| 05:42.06 | genr8_ | another user with a too small /boot issue... |
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| 05:57.02 | Helios_ | xfce-terminal opens links in a different web browser than xdg-open, how do I fix this? |
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| 06:07.05 | gry | Helios_: perhaps ask #xfce and share their answer here |
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| 06:17.42 | Helios_ | gry: will do |
| 06:18.33 | Helios_ | looks like everyone's asleep at #xfce :) |
| 06:19.11 | gry | maybe even literally :) a few people from there are in europe and the like |
| 06:19.44 | gry | do you have a ~/.config/mimeapps.list file? |
| 06:20.55 | jmcnaught | Helios_: https://wiki.debian.org/DefaultWebBrowser some other things to try |
| 06:21.39 | jmcnaught | "update-alternatives --display x-www-browser" might be what xfce terminal is using |
| 06:21.59 | Helios_ | gry: yes I have, and I have configured to use qutebrowser there but xfce-term always opens links in firefox |
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| 06:24.00 | jmcnaught | Helios_: qutebrowser might not get security updates. According to the Debian 10 release notes only firefox-esr, chromium, and browsers based on webkit2gtk get security support. |
| 06:24.04 | jmcnaught | https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#browser-security |
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| 06:26.00 | Helios_ | jmcnaught: update-alternatives --display x-www-broser throws me an error: "no alternatives for x-www-browser" |
| 06:26.33 | somiaj | I think most things use xdg mime settings for the default browser, vs the debian alternative system |
| 06:26.56 | somiaj | oh *looks up*, you are trying to make a terminal match xdg-open |
| 06:27.26 | Helios_ | yeah |
| 06:27.38 | jmcnaught | Helios_: double check for typos? You have a typo in what you just hilighted to me. |
| 06:29.02 | Helios_ | jmcnaught: yeah sorry that was a typo |
| 06:29.38 | somiaj | Helios_: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=191547 -- this person had a similar issue, they had to manually change the .desktop file for the browser they wanted to xfce-terminal would be able to use it from mimapps.list |
| 06:29.38 | jmcnaught | No worries. Is it showing you the alternatives for x-www-browser now, and is it Firefox? |
| 06:29.39 | Helios_ | looks like I have configured to use qutebrowsr with update-alternatives as well |
| 06:29.44 | Helios_ | https://termbin.com/ima2w |
| 06:30.02 | somiaj | Helios_: reply #5 -- unsure if that is what you are running into or not |
| 06:30.05 | Helios_ | looks like I can't type browser :) |
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| 06:31.07 | somiaj | though don't follow their suggestion of editing files in /usr/share/applicaiton, instead copy any edits to your local ~/.local/share/applications |
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| 06:31.14 | jmcnaught | Helios_: "xdg-settings get default-web-browser" says qutebrowser.desktop? |
| 06:31.48 | Helios_ | jmcnaught: yes |
| 06:31.59 | Franciman | Hi, I found this error in dmesg logs: https://paste.debian.net/1165070/ |
| 06:32.09 | Franciman | does anybody know how to solve it? |
| 06:32.44 | somiaj | !warnings |
| 06:32.44 | dpkg | Yerp, lots of software outputs warnings. Kernel module warnings on boot, mplayer warnings, GTK warnings, X11 warnings, build warnings, gpg warnings. Don't be scared - informative output is a GOOD THING. Consider yourself warned, and if the program works as expected, be happy. |
| 06:32.56 | somiaj | Franciman: do you have anything that is actually wrong with your system besides you get the kernel giving you that message? |
| 06:33.45 | Franciman | not that I am aware of |
| 06:33.47 | somiaj | Helios_: do you have a ~/local/share/applications/mimeapps.list? |
| 06:33.48 | Franciman | it works correctly |
| 06:34.01 | Franciman | it seems to work correctly |
| 06:34.25 | Helios_ | somiaj: yes I do |
| 06:34.36 | somiaj | Franciman: then just ignore that, the kernel is very verbose, sometimes it is just spouting out stuff that is hardware bugs but the kernel is correctly responding to it, so provided you have on issues, don't go looking to fix it |
| 06:34.59 | somiaj | Helios_: I see one place susggest addinx x-scheme-handerl/http=foo.desktop for your browser (also fro https) |
| 06:35.58 | Helios_ | somiaj: I've done that already, does not work for xfce-terminal :( |
| 06:37.37 | Helios_ | Also, I should point out that I'm not using xfce as my DE, I'm just using xfce-terminal as my term |
| 06:37.40 | somiaj | Helios_: you have tried to export $BROWSER=/path/to/binary? It does seem strange, seem like you have tried all the stuff I'm finding, probably just some little thing being overlooked that is hiding on your system. |
| 06:38.40 | Franciman | ok, thank you somiaj |
| 06:38.50 | Helios_ | somiaj: that I've not done |
| 06:43.50 | Helios_ | $BROWSER varibable idea didn't work |
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| 06:45.25 | somiaj | try to export it then run xfce-terminal from the terminal you exported it in (see if it needs to be set at the launch of the browser), though yea didn't seem that suggestion was honored |
| 06:45.30 | ryouma | the dollar sign mightnot belong there depending on what you did |
| 06:45.59 | ryouma | fears mime |
| 06:46.15 | somiaj | oh yea, that was my bad, :/, though that was just a suggestion I saw, though wasn't one that said it worked, so more a long shot |
| 06:47.19 | ryouma | there was a bug in stretch where some mime line had a double colon in it where it needed a single colon. dunno if it got fixed. |
| 06:47.39 | Helios_ | ryouma: I had exported it in my zshrc file, logged out and logged in and then opened xfce-terminal |
| 06:48.19 | Helios_ | I checked with echo $BROWSER that it was pointing to the qutebrowser binary before opening the terminal |
| 06:48.24 | ryouma | ok |
| 06:48.49 | ryouma | then i have reached the limits of my knowledge |
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| 06:49.37 | Helios_ | what is strange is that I've replace every instance of firefox with qutebrowser in the xfce4-mime-settings as well |
| 06:50.34 | Helios_ | how do you guys handle default applications and mime types, it seems there are too many programs to deal with it |
| 06:50.59 | Helios_ | you have xdg-mime, xdg-settings, update-alternatives |
| 06:51.14 | Helios_ | mimeapps.list |
| 06:52.21 | ryouma | i handle it by running away screaming |
| 06:52.23 | somiaj | Helios_: maybe try running update-desktop-database ? Maybe it needs to update the mimetype handeld by the .desktop file you are trying to use? |
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| 06:55.46 | Helios_ | somiaj: no luck :( |
| 06:56.10 | Helios_ | thank you all for helping though I'll wait for #xfce people to wake up |
| 06:56.30 | nevivurn | Oh hey, firefox 78esr landed, yay |
| 06:56.42 | somiaj | Helios_: https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10314 |
| 06:57.07 | somiaj | Helios_: seems they pass things to gtk, so that might be why it is being confusing, maybe see if comment 7 can provide a fix? |
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| 06:58.25 | somiaj | Helios_: also see comments about looking at /etc/xdg/xfce-mimeapps.list (though these might be more xfce specific, which you said you aren't running) |
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| 07:07.43 | efloid | am getting this boot error: kernel: F2FS-fs (nvme0n1p6): Unrecognized mount option "errors=remount-ro" or missing value |
| 07:08.00 | efloid | i thought errors=remount-ro is a standard mount option? |
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| 07:08.58 | genr8_ | Franciman, thats an error from a kernel module called the "intel TCO Watchdog Driver" which is part of intel chipsets. if you want that message gone you can blacklist the module "iTCO_wdt.ko" |
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| 07:13.24 | genr8_ | also "iTCO_vendor_support.ko" |
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| 07:14.16 | genr8_ | on my AMD system I have the same issue, except its the module "sp5100_tco.ko" . They seem to be loading even for systems they don't actually apply to |
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| 07:17.31 | genr8_ | in computer terms, a "watchdog timer" is a hardware device that runs at a lower level than the CPU (in your case its on the PCH aka chipset, sometimes on the motherboard, sometimes embedded), and monitors the CPU in case it has hung, and if theres no communication response received back, it assumes the CPU has locked up and hard resets the CPU. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watchdog_timer |
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| 07:21.12 | genr8_ | the error messages you got indicate that its non-functional. the module is auto-loading even though its non-applicable to your hardware. either ignore it, or blacklist the module |
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| 07:22.24 | genr8_ | if it was working it would print "Found a ___ TCO device" |
| 07:22.40 | nickotheus | Taco!?! |
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| 07:22.43 | nickotheus | oh |
| 07:22.54 | nvz | efloid: thats fs specific, you are using f2fs |
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| 07:24.23 | Haohmaru | ,v kicad |
| 07:24.24 | judd | Package: kicad on amd64 -- jessie: 0.20140622+bzr4027-3; stretch: 4.0.5+dfsg1-4; stretch-backports: 5.0.2+dfsg1-1~bpo9+1; buster: 5.0.2+dfsg1-1; stretch-backports-sloppy: 5.1.6+dfsg1-1~bpo9+1; buster-backports: 5.1.6+dfsg1-1~bpo10+1; bullseye: 5.1.6+dfsg1-1; sid: 5.1.7+dfsg1-1 |
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| 07:31.07 | Helios_ | somiaj: workaround mentioned in the comment 7 in the link you provided worked for me, thanks |
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| 07:32.10 | Helios_ | But that doesn't make me very happy, another config file for a single application to work |
| 07:32.25 | Helios_ | why can't they follow xdg settings |
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| 07:34.10 | genr8_ | time to make a "debian-mods.txt" |
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| 07:45.04 | efloid | nvz: yes. i couldn't find info on it. no mount.f2fs man page. nothing online |
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| 07:51.45 | genr8_ | efloid, when in doubt, go straight to the source code: https://elixir.bootlin.com/linux/latest/source/fs/f2fs/super.c#L151 |
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| 08:01.26 | hegemoOn | sysstat without option : what is it collecting by default ? |
| 08:03.22 | genr8_ | https://github.com/sysstat/sysstat |
| 08:04.30 | genr8_ | CPU usage and load averages seems to be the main thing |
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| 08:07.58 | genr8_ | "process accounting" |
| 08:08.25 | ratrace | omg, there's both /etc/cron.d/sysstat and /etc/cron.daily/sysstat *facepalm* |
| 08:08.58 | genr8_ | well it needs to run a lot |
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| 08:09.26 | genr8_ | cron.d/systat runs 10 minutes, cron.daily accumulates the daily reports |
| 08:09.32 | ratrace | it cna run a lot through single crontab. doesn't really need two of them. |
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| 08:10.05 | ratrace | what's in cron.daily could easily be put into cron.d |
| 08:11.10 | genr8_ | i guess. sysstats not the only thing that has this split |
| 08:11.16 | themill | except that cron.daily gets run by anacron too |
| 08:11.25 | ratrace | and cron.d/sysstat already contains a daily, for statistics rotation...... so now there are two dailies in two files. brilliant foss is brilliant |
| 08:12.02 | genr8_ | ok ill agree thats a bit odd |
| 08:12.19 | ratrace | and then haters will say that systemd.timers (that can do what anacron does as well) is baaaaaad. |
| 08:12.46 | themill | also, the two dailies do different things |
| 08:13.09 | ratrace | well that doesn't prevent what's in .daily to go into .d too |
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| 08:13.16 | ratrace | .d already does two different things |
| 08:13.34 | genr8_ | id argue the reverse |
| 08:13.47 | genr8_ | put the daily from .d in .daily |
| 08:15.03 | ratrace | I'd always argue to have as simple config as possible in least number of files peppered across the filesystem |
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| 08:16.13 | rtyuiop | hi |
| 08:17.14 | rtyuiop | each time when doing apt update |
| 08:17.24 | rtyuiop | i got the following error : https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/xQpMWsDvrb/ |
| 08:18.28 | H4ndy | rtyuiop: do you have enough space left in your root partition? |
| 08:18.41 | genr8_ | maybe your /tmp filesystem is full |
| 08:18.45 | ratrace | rtyuiop: something's wrong with your /tmp . is it a separate mount? tmpfs? read-only? insufficient space left? |
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| 08:19.02 | genr8_ | do "df /tmp" and see if it says 100%" |
| 08:19.07 | Lope | my one debian box lacks `resolveip` |
| 08:19.12 | Lope | where does this come from? |
| 08:19.27 | ratrace | ,file /resolveip |
| 08:19.31 | judd | No packages in buster/amd64 were found with that file. |
| 08:19.43 | rtyuiop | not /tmp is not full |
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| 08:19.59 | ratrace | Lope: gah judd..... but it belongs to mariadb-server-core-10.3 |
| 08:20.00 | rtyuiop | neigther a seperate partition |
| 08:20.13 | ratrace | ,file /usr/bin/resolveip |
| 08:20.17 | judd | Search for /usr/bin/resolveip in buster/amd64: mariadb-server-core-10.3: usr/bin/resolveip |
| 08:20.22 | genr8_ | ,file resolveip |
| 08:20.26 | judd | Search for resolveip in buster/amd64: mariadb-server-core-10.3: usr/bin/resolveip |
| 08:20.34 | genr8_ | your slash buggered it |
| 08:20.42 | Lope | ratrace, I meant what package |
| 08:20.50 | genr8_ | That one... |
| 08:20.57 | Lope | whaaat? that's weird! |
| 08:20.58 | ratrace | well I wanted to make sure foobarresolveip wasn't included :) the /resolveip search should've passed, as it passed in apt-file search |
| 08:21.00 | Lope | okay. |
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| 08:21.11 | themill | ratrace: send patches. |
| 08:21.15 | Lope | Funny cos a serverfault or whatever page recommended it. |
| 08:21.25 | rtyuiop | what could be the issues ? |
| 08:21.58 | ratrace | rtyuiop: is your rootfs full then? or readonly or something? |
| 08:22.16 | rtyuiop | no full rootfs too |
| 08:22.23 | genr8_ | have you tried turning it off and then back on again ? |
| 08:22.28 | rtyuiop | chmod 777 /tmp |
| 08:22.46 | ratrace | rtyuiop: 1777 but okay |
| 08:23.35 | rtyuiop | do you understand the error message ? |
| 08:23.44 | Lope | thanks! |
| 08:23.48 | genr8_ | its french |
| 08:23.55 | rtyuiop | it 's saying something like signature error |
| 08:24.11 | rtyuiop | hold down i translate it for you |
| 08:24.22 | genr8_ | its saying: "Couldn't create temporary file" though |
| 08:24.24 | ratrace | the key error here is inability to create /tmp locks |
| 08:24.35 | ratrace | rtyuiop: can you touch /tmp/somefile as regular user? |
| 08:24.37 | genr8_ | everything beyond that is incidental |
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| 08:25.20 | rtyuiop | https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/KFMnzFVBZy/ |
| 08:25.26 | rtyuiop | here it is |
| 08:25.39 | genr8_ | well thats a totally different result... |
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| 08:26.02 | ratrace | suspects filesystem meltdown |
| 08:26.13 | ratrace | rtyuiop: please paste this: journalctl -b -p err |
| 08:26.16 | rtyuiop | yes offcourse i have permission to right |
| 08:26.19 | rtyuiop | on /tmp |
| 08:26.36 | genr8_ | I suspect he tampered with the system |
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| 08:28.16 | genr8_ | do this: "apt list debian-keyring" it should report "version 2019.02.25" |
| 08:28.25 | rtyuiop | https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/WvfSSqxRhC/ |
| 08:28.26 | genr8_ | and "[installed]" |
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| 08:30.19 | rtyuiop | result for apt list debian-keyring |
| 08:30.20 | rtyuiop | Listing... Done |
| 08:30.29 | genr8_ | thats not good. |
| 08:30.42 | genr8_ | you need to download that package, and install it manually with dpkg -i |
| 08:31.01 | rtyuiop | ok |
| 08:31.02 | genr8_ | that holds the GPG keys of the debian maintainers to make apt work |
| 08:31.15 | rtyuiop | ok thank |
| 08:31.16 | rtyuiop | s |
| 08:31.20 | ratrace | `debian-archive-keyring` is the package, yes? |
| 08:31.33 | genr8_ | no thats the other one |
| 08:31.36 | amprxc | Hello, I'm tryting to install Kubuntu on my laptop from an external CR ROM writer / reader which is connected via USB to my computer. I'm able to boot on ubuntu, but this last doesn't detect my laptop disk. When I run "fdisk -l", I can only see the CDROM disk space. Then, of course, the installer tells me that there is not enough place available. |
| 08:31.36 | amprxc | Any idea ? Thanks |
| 08:31.49 | ratrace | genr8_: which package is it then? |
| 08:31.56 | genr8_ | "debian-keyring" |
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| 08:32.16 | ratrace | well... why is dpkg -l not showing it? |
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| 08:32.40 | genr8_ | I dont know ? |
| 08:32.52 | ratrace | https://bpa.st/7S2Q |
| 08:33.53 | ratrace | welp something's broken here..... |
| 08:34.27 | genr8_ | nah i think you're right |
| 08:34.36 | ratrace | amprxc: you missed the channel. #ubuntu or #kubuntu is what you want |
| 08:34.37 | genr8_ | its either debian-archive-keyring or debian-keyring |
| 08:35.04 | genr8_ | im not sure what determines which one it is on which systen. on mine its debian-keyring. |
| 08:35.32 | genr8_ | actually i have both installed |
| 08:35.33 | ratrace | genr8_: ah right, right..... it's not showing [installed] for debian-keyring, it is for debian-archive-keyring |
| 08:35.53 | genr8_ | yeah maybe its debian-archive-keyring and i got debian-keyring from something else. |
| 08:35.53 | ratrace | but anyway, rtyuiop should have it listed, not just Listing... Done |
| 08:37.07 | amprxc | ratrace okay :) |
| 08:37.10 | ratrace | genr8_: debian-keyring is "GnuPG keys of Debian Developers and Maintainers", but debian-archive-keyring is "GnuPG archive keys of the Debian archive" |
| 08:37.26 | ratrace | so the former is I guess to signing uploads and validate maintainership? |
| 08:37.43 | ratrace | *for |
| 08:40.28 | rtyuiop | can't find debian-keyring to install it manually |
| 08:41.00 | genr8_ | "apt list debian-archive-keyring" do you have that one ? |
| 08:41.28 | rtyuiop | Listing... Donedebian-archive-keyring/now 2019.1 all [installed,local] |
| 08:41.39 | genr8_ | hmm well then maybe its not that. |
| 08:41.59 | genr8_ | i wonder why it says local |
| 08:42.20 | ratrace | well two different errors, one showing tmp lock fail, the other invalid sig, tells me there's maybe a filesystem issue somewhere |
| 08:42.26 | rtyuiop | i think the issue is related with gpg keys |
| 08:42.38 | rtyuiop | how to clean from scratch then reinstall ? |
| 08:43.07 | genr8_ | backup all your files, format and re-install |
| 08:43.13 | ratrace | rtyuiop: backup data, reinstall.... but ideally you want to find the cause of this, or else it'll just repeat itself |
| 08:43.38 | ratrace | "format and reinstall" ..... ya this ain't windows, we don't format C:\ here :) |
| 08:44.17 | genr8_ | rtyuiop, are you behind a corporate firewall or captive portal wireless access point, maybe thats blocking the HTTP request ? |
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| 08:44.38 | rtyuiop | no at all |
| 08:44.41 | genr8_ | sorry, i been saying that all my life |
| 08:45.23 | ratrace | rtyuiop: try running apt-get clean and then apt update ; note that apt-get clean will remove any local package cache if you used apt-get install before |
| 08:46.06 | rtyuiop | same error |
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| 08:46.49 | rtyuiop | can i remove the file trusted.gpg ? in /etc/apt ? |
| 08:46.50 | ratrace | which one, there were two different errors you posted |
| 08:48.32 | rtyuiop | there is only one error |
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| 08:49.21 | ratrace | so what was that /tmp lock failure you originally posted? gone? fixed it? how? |
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| 09:01.25 | rtyuiop | well |
| 09:01.45 | rtyuiop | for your information here is the solution to fix the issue |
| 09:02.25 | rtyuiop | you have to import all missing keys through this command : |
| 09:02.29 | rtyuiop | sudo apt-key adv --keyserver hkp://pool.sks-keyservers.net:80 --recv-keys AA8E81B4331F7F50 |
| 09:02.40 | rtyuiop | and it is working fine now |
| 09:03.12 | themill | yeah, that's not a good idea on a lot of fronts |
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| 09:03.54 | genr8_ | you should have at least used the keyring.debian.org keyserver |
| 09:04.47 | genr8_ | i would be worried that your keys are being tampered with |
| 09:05.04 | ratrace | I can't find that signature in my keyring.... |
| 09:05.17 | themill | That's not a key id I recognise either |
| 09:07.13 | ratrace | rtyuiop: is this Buster or Stretch? |
| 09:07.24 | ratrace | I found some SO posts that suggest that's a Stretch signing key |
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| 09:07.51 | rtyuiop | buster |
| 09:08.20 | themill | ah, it is a signing sub key https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2017/05/msg00001.html |
| 09:09.02 | genr8_ | stretch |
| 09:09.04 | ratrace | but would that key work on Buster package signing? |
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| 09:10.05 | themill | yes, it's in /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/debian-archive-stretch-security-automatic.gpg |
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| 09:10.51 | genr8_ | how do you read those files |
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| 09:11.37 | themill | gpg --keyring /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/debian-archive-stretch-security-automatic.gpg --no-default-keyring --list-keys |
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| 09:13.40 | themill | (or just "apt-key list", but hey) |
| 09:14.11 | Joit | AaaaAA I had problems with my xserver to start, installed the video driver back and forth, it only worked as root. Now, just putting a "export DISPLAY=:0.0" into tty worked.. |
| 09:14.32 | genr8_ | I dont have that key. |
| 09:14.36 | ratrace | me neither |
| 09:14.41 | Joit | who the hell did eat my $DISPLAY variable |
| 09:14.58 | fireba11 | omnomnom |
| 09:15.10 | Joit | FIREBALL!! ITs all YOUR fault |
| 09:15.16 | genr8_ | maybe because its a sub-key signed off the master |
| 09:15.35 | ratrace | but it should be listed anyway |
| 09:15.39 | Joit | i am thinking about to set a fire on your balls |
| 09:16.01 | genr8_ | yeah confusing |
| 09:16.17 | Joit | -me Export=Fire+balls |
| 09:16.32 | genr8_ | the liquor will do that |
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| 09:17.31 | Joit | but hm, what is a proper way now to set it permanently? |
| 09:17.41 | Joit | bashrc? |
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| 09:22.11 | ratrace | use a Display Manager, that's the proper way. |
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| 09:25.05 | Joit | ratrace: tell me more. all i did with a DM is dpkg-reconfigure DM |
| 09:25.23 | Joit | but it doesnt set the display |
| 09:25.51 | ratrace | Joit: which DM is that? |
| 09:25.57 | Joit | lightdm |
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| 09:28.43 | Joit | i can change the appearance at xfce from it, but not really set a display |
| 09:28.54 | ratrace | well something is broken there. you shoulnd't set $DISPLAY anywhere manually, it's done by the DM initiated xorg server session |
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| 09:29.03 | ratrace | are you logging in as root or regular user? |
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| 09:29.18 | Joit | right now as normal user |
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| 09:29.44 | ratrace | (actually one exception exists to setting $DISPLAY manually, when you run commands in custom environments that don't inherit the env var) |
| 09:30.05 | ratrace | Joit: so, you log in as normal user and the desktop (xfce) starts? |
| 09:30.42 | Joit | right now, it did not start, but then i set the export=DISPLAY, and it did |
| 09:30.53 | ratrace | Joit: set where? |
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| 09:30.58 | Joit | so, when i am restart, i may have to set it new |
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| 09:31.08 | Joit | just over the konsole |
| 09:31.17 | ratrace | over the konsole.... how? |
| 09:31.26 | ratrace | if you're using lightdm, there's no console interaction |
| 09:31.46 | Joit | by typing export DISPLAY=:0.0 nothing else |
| 09:31.49 | ratrace | so either you're using startx from console login (no DM) or you're not painting the full picture |
| 09:32.01 | ratrace | Joit: typing __WHERE__ there is no console prompt to type if you use lightdm |
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| 09:32.17 | ratrace | unless lightdm isn't starting at all, and you're logging into console first |
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| 09:32.24 | Joit | i did load my system, came until the login from lightdm, hit my pw in, and nothing worked |
| 09:32.38 | ratrace | and then you did what, to get to the console? |
| 09:32.47 | Joit | then i set the DISPLAY and over another tty , hit the pw in again and it worked |
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| 09:32.51 | ratrace | and then you did what, to get to the console? |
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| 09:33.20 | Joit | alt-ctrl F1, lightdm runs on tty7 |
| 09:33.22 | ratrace | please read carefully what I'm saying. if you're in lightdm prompt there is no console there. what do you do exactly from that point on, to get a console prompt where you export DISPLAY? |
| 09:33.28 | tohoyn | wpa_cli gives the following error: Could not connect to wap_supplicant: (nil) - re-trying |
| 09:33.38 | tohoyn | and the net is not working |
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| 09:33.41 | Joit | ratrace, seems you dont read what i am writing |
| 09:33.52 | tohoyn | can you help me? |
| 09:34.02 | Joit | and basically, seems you dont have really an answer on that, or you would had wrote 1 line with it |
| 09:34.04 | ratrace | I am reading, you never mentioned changing tty until now. so, you export in tty1, and then what do you do? |
| 09:34.10 | genr8_ | use an ethernet cable |
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| 09:34.34 | ratrace | tohoyn: sounds like the wpa supplicant control service is not running |
| 09:34.35 | Joit | instead you ask me a lot of things, what are not related. i simple asked, where i set the export DISPLAY permanent |
| 09:34.47 | ratrace | Joit: because you're giving CONTRADICTING information |
| 09:34.55 | tohoyn | ratrace: the problem started when I played with Bluetooth |
| 09:34.58 | genr8_ | LightDM sets it when you start lightDM |
| 09:34.59 | ratrace | using ligthdm contradicts setting DISPLAY manually, and you never said you changed tty for that |
| 09:35.14 | ratrace | Joit: and when you change tty, then the export is valid ONLY for that tty, not for another |
| 09:35.20 | Joit | ratrace, for me, it sounds like, you have no clue, and try to change the subject, instead gining a simple answer |
| 09:35.21 | ratrace | so you're giving FALSE, CONTRADICTING AND WRONG INFORMATION |
| 09:35.24 | genr8_ | yea that doesnt make sense |
| 09:35.29 | ratrace | *PLONK* |
| 09:35.34 | ratrace | I'm out. thanks for trolling. |
| 09:35.52 | Joit | np thank you too ratrace |
| 09:35.59 | genr8_ | env variables like DISPLAY are only applicable to the current session |
| 09:36.12 | genr8_ | not session, whats the word. TTY |
| 09:36.16 | Joit | maybe someone else can simple answer it, at last, i found some hits at the net for that, ie adding the line into bashrc |
| 09:36.17 | genr8_ | shell. |
| 09:36.20 | Joit | and thats simple |
| 09:36.33 | tohoyn | ratrace: how can I start wpa_supplicant manually? |
| 09:36.45 | Joit | yes, its not for " 1 tty only" its for the session |
| 09:37.04 | genr8_ | not the way you described it |
| 09:37.17 | genr8_ | env variables dont work like that |
| 09:37.40 | genr8_ | unless you killed lightdm from TTY1 and re-ran it again after you set it |
| 09:37.49 | ratrace | tohoyn: you normally don't. there are several ways to control wpa_supplicant; one way is NetworkManager does it automatically, for a DE environment. Another is you set up /etc/network/intrefaces to use wpa_supplicant, either directly, or as I prefer through a wpa_supplicant.conf, so all WPA stuff is in one config file, and /etc/network/intrfaces just refers to that one file |
| 09:38.10 | tohoyn | ratrace: I use NetworkManager |
| 09:38.34 | tohoyn | where actually is the wpa_supplicant started? /etc/init.d/ ? |
| 09:38.54 | ratrace | tohoyn: so what's the problem with NetworkManager? you don't use wpa_cli if you have NM controlling the supplicant |
| 09:39.22 | ratrace | tohoyn: there are (systemd) service units but by default they're not used, except maybe the dbus interface for NM |
| 09:39.27 | tohoyn | The mobile hotspot of my phone does not work |
| 09:39.35 | ratrace | so if you're using NM, you shouldn't interact with the supplicant directly |
| 09:40.18 | tohoyn | WiFi is not listed in the menu top right of the display |
| 09:40.25 | ratrace | tohoyn: if NM is having issues, it should be logged by the journal. I can't remember otoh which filters to use, so check the entire journal for anything involving networkmanager or wpa_supplicant please |
| 09:40.43 | Joit | @genr8_ mmm, well either way ok, now, do you have a clue, how i can set it permanent or set it in a standard way? seems it s lost all time. I had to mirror my home hdd before with rsync, and since that i have this problem |
| 09:40.45 | tohoyn | ratrace: is it journalctl? |
| 09:41.01 | ratrace | tohoyn: yes |
| 09:41.01 | genr8_ | sudo journalctl -u NetworkManager |
| 09:41.11 | tohoyn | thanks |
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| 09:41.32 | ratrace | I don't recall NM running as a systemd service.... is it? |
| 09:41.38 | genr8_ | yes |
| 09:41.46 | ratrace | and not a subprocess of the DE? |
| 09:41.51 | genr8_ | both. |
| 09:42.11 | ratrace | well if it's both, then that -u won't show what the subprocess is logging |
| 09:42.18 | ratrace | -u will only show output of the .service |
| 09:42.24 | genr8_ | indeed |
| 09:44.34 | ratrace | oh they left, lol. was about to suggest trying journalctl -b | grep -Pi "network|wpa" and giving us a paste of that |
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| 09:48.25 | Joit | maybe he crashed |
| 09:48.39 | genr8_ | wifi. |
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| 09:49.19 | ratrace | then it'd show "has quit" for graceful tcp disconnect, or nothing until it times out some ~5m later |
| 09:49.37 | ratrace | "has left" implies leaving the channel, but not the server |
| 09:51.31 | genr8_ | Joit, edit /etc/X11/default-display-manager to say export DISPLAY=:0.0 before /usr/sbin/lightdm |
| 09:51.47 | Joit | ok thank you |
| 09:52.46 | Joit | someone wrote, i should add it at /etc/enviroment, but its an empty file, sounds more logical to put it into xorg.conf |
| 09:53.21 | genr8_ | whatever works man. your system already went into non-standard mode so who cares whats standard about the fix |
| 09:53.30 | Joit | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:53.54 | genr8_ | you should however remember what you did. |
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| 09:55.02 | ratrace | especially if one day another monitor is added |
| 09:55.24 | Joit | problem is there, it returns after years most time, to have problems with the xserver, and until that, i mostly have forgotten how to fix it |
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| 09:58.46 | Joit | ok, now the test, if it works, going to reboot |
| 09:58.56 | Joit | thanks again |
| 09:59.12 | ratrace | btw that export in default-display-manager would work only if the file is used in a shell context, and I don't think it is. |
| 10:00.36 | ratrace | nor the /etc/X11/XSession or ~/.xsessionrc as those expect $DISPLAY to be already set . simply put, it's the DM that exports the env because it starts a clean env thta doesn't inherit any shell env rcs or whatever |
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| 10:03.38 | genr8_ | I got that idea from /lib/systemd/system/lightdm.service |
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| 10:03.59 | genr8_ | it seems to execute it with /bin/sh |
| 10:04.32 | ratrace | but that's ExecStartPre ... different process altogether from ExecStart |
| 10:04.40 | ratrace | (and thus different env) |
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| 10:05.16 | ratrace | it merely checks the existence of /usr/sbin/lightdm in the file, which returns a "true" which signals for ExecStartPre to continue with ExecStart |
| 10:05.18 | genr8_ | ok |
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| 10:05.40 | genr8_ | i didnt notice that part |
| 10:05.45 | ratrace | the whole [ "$..." = "..." ] is actually a [ test that returns true or fals here |
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| 10:06.30 | ratrace | here's the thing.... lightdm GUI needs xorg to run which implies DISPLAY has been set at that point |
| 10:06.58 | ratrace | and if it shows the GUI, then it _has_ been set. question is only why doesn't ligthdm started sessions inherit it...... *IF* and thats' a major if here, that's even the case |
| 10:07.22 | genr8_ | it does seem very weird overall |
| 10:07.28 | ratrace | something tells me DISPLAY is normally set and them running export in a different tty (and then starting apps there) is just a red herring, and something else is going on entirely |
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| 10:08.00 | ratrace | that's why I wanted them to spell out, excactly, what they're doing from export to "it works", so we can see the chain of processes that's going on |
| 10:08.02 | genr8_ | maybe he does have 2 monitors |
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| 10:08.36 | ratrace | because "fixing" startx or manually started programs from another tty shell will not in any friggin way fix the way main lightdm environment is inherited |
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| 10:10.41 | genr8_ | maybe his primary monitor is disabled, and everythings showing up on a 2nd screen thats not actually there, until he runs a program with :0.0, and then its like "oh this has to exist again, cause a program is on it, let me enable it" |
| 10:10.58 | ratrace | plausible |
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| 10:11.28 | genr8_ | he did say he rsynced the entire system from another computer |
| 10:11.38 | genr8_ | it probably had another monitor config set up |
| 10:11.41 | ratrace | that implies they missed ACLS or xattrs |
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| 10:13.01 | genr8_ | rsync does know how to copy those though. |
| 10:13.10 | ratrace | if you explicitly add -AX |
| 10:13.13 | ratrace | -a won't include them |
| 10:13.32 | genr8_ | ah |
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| 10:16.47 | ratrace | but really, when they come back saying it didn't fix the problem..... they need to output their Xorg.0.log and entire `journalctl -b` for further clues |
| 10:17.13 | ratrace | I wonder if that suid xorg thing is an issue, they did mention running as root worked |
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| 10:18.02 | Joit | yay, works so far, but i add it into bashrc too, also made a new file called .xprofiles, where they write on the net, it doesnt exist, but x11 will look for it |
| 10:18.37 | Joit | " how to set a variable permanent debian 10" has more possibilities |
| 10:18.57 | ratrace | bashrc most certainly had nothing to do here, assuming lightdm is starting as a service |
| 10:18.59 | genr8_ | while you were gone we determined my idea would not work |
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| 10:19.33 | Joit | ratrace i can not find an option where i can configure lightdm for the display |
| 10:19.39 | Lope | isFoo={ $isBar || $isBaz } && $isQux |
| 10:19.46 | Lope | where `[[ $isBar ]] && echo "isBar is true"` works as expected. |
| 10:19.50 | Joit | haha genr8_ but anyhow it did |
| 10:19.55 | ratrace | Joit: ligthdm would source ~/.xsessionrc but I think that already implies DISPLAY has been set |
| 10:20.07 | Lope | any of these variables will be truthy if they contain 1 or a non-empty string |
| 10:20.14 | ratrace | Joit: meanwhile, I think DISPLAY is a red herring here, and you have other issues. maybe pastebin your Xorg.0.log and entire journalctl -b |
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| 10:20.41 | ratrace | Joit: adding export to default-display-manager certainly didn't work as that export is lost the moment the subshel of ExecStartPre ends |
| 10:21.16 | ratrace | alsobtw... wait, that file is not even sourced as a shell, but compared via cat! |
| 10:22.43 | Joit | journalctl -b is empty |
| 10:22.54 | ratrace | Joit: the reason I asked you all those details you complained about me asking, is to determin the _Exact_, byte per byte, sequence of events from lightdm showing the prompt to "it works" |
| 10:23.29 | ratrace | Joit: that's impossible. if you don't have the permissions, it would tell you so. unless..... that's not a systemd system at all there.... |
| 10:23.52 | Joit | i dont run on systemd |
| 10:24.07 | Joit | i have mx-linux and it use .. . ? |
| 10:24.13 | ratrace | ...................................................... |
| 10:24.16 | Joit | debian10 at last as base |
| 10:24.29 | ratrace | hahahah. we've been duped. tricked. trolled. WELL PLAYED, sir, well played. |
| 10:24.37 | ratrace | !based on debian |
| 10:24.38 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 10:24.41 | Joit | i can start oover systemd ofc |
| 10:25.13 | genr8_ | that makes more sense why the impossible fix worked |
| 10:25.17 | hmuller | yes, at least you weren't rick rolled |
| 10:25.24 | ratrace | sometimes I wish these jokers would be permabanned from #debian, but eh.... |
| 10:25.47 | Joit | well, at last the hint was good from genr8_, he helped me more then others until yet |
| 10:26.10 | Joit | ya ratrace, i bet, you would like to do that, but glady, its not only you here |
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| 10:26.24 | Joit | and i think, if it would be only you, i would not join the channel |
| 10:26.36 | ratrace | if greycat were here, you'd be long gone by now :) |
| 10:26.41 | Joit | but anyway, my-linux dont have irc, so i have to take what i have, and that is debian 10 |
| 10:26.52 | hmuller | where is greycat when you need greycat ... |
| 10:26.56 | Lope | I got it working: if { $isBar || $isBaz; } && $isQux; then isFoo=1; fi |
| 10:27.11 | ratrace | well that was fun. |
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| 10:27.19 | Joit | ratrace, could it be, that persons like you are a reason, that peoples do not like irc-channels? think about hat |
| 10:27.42 | Joit | and well, i dont mind, if you dont answer on anything, what i am asking here |
| 10:27.43 | ratrace | yup that's definitely it. nothing to do with you completely faking info, lying, making others waste their time chasing ghosts |
| 10:28.00 | ratrace | because on debian, you wouldn't even have these issues. |
| 10:28.01 | hmuller | Joit: it is people like you that make it hard for volunteers |
| 10:28.31 | Joit | yeah, blame me for shit, what i did not, until now i did NOT LIE 1 TIME, and its BS what you are trying to say here |
| 10:28.36 | ratrace | hmuller: precisely. |
| 10:28.51 | hmuller | Joit: obfuscation is a lie |
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| 10:29.12 | Haohmaru | Joit this channel is for debian stable, even debian unstable is NOT generally supported in here |
| 10:29.14 | Joit | hmuller, until now, i actually only asked, how i can set a DISPLAY variable permeanent for debian |
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| 10:29.36 | hmuller | Joit: next time start with, "I am using mx-linux" |
| 10:29.38 | ratrace | and then when you have jokers like this one here, and then next time you're more cautious and ask people superfluous questions like is this debian, are you 100% sure, making them feel like idiots..... yea that's totally NOT the fault of jokers like this one |
| 10:29.52 | Lope | Joit, you're an idiot if you have any problems with ratrace's free help that he offered you. He's helped me for hours and I'm WAY ahead as a linux hacker as a result. I am incredibly grateful to him and people like ratrace make me feel warm and fuzzy to be part of the linux community (no sarcasm) |
| 10:29.58 | Joit | and nothing else was asked, just ratrace tries to put me things in my mouth what i did not say, sounds like a smartass, no? |
| 10:30.06 | ratrace | " how i can set a DISPLAY variable permeanent for debian" : answer: you don't. the DM does it |
| 10:30.13 | hmuller | Joit: sounds like you are |
| 10:30.36 | Joit | @lope he did not really help me one thing, only asked lot of useless stuff. genr8_ did, not him |
| 10:31.04 | ratrace | the "useless stuff" were required to pin point the exact process of failure because you deliberately HID things |
| 10:31.14 | Haohmaru | Joit how dare you say such a thing about mr ratrace? have you contributed to #debian or anything else even a fraction of your time? |
| 10:31.17 | Joit | ahaha again, you say "DM does" but in no way, how to configure it |
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| 10:31.25 | ratrace | you know very well you wouldn't get help if you started with "I run mx linux" so you pretedned that was debian and started getting anxions when pressed for detaled info. |
| 10:31.31 | ratrace | 8/10 would play again. |
| 10:31.33 | Joit | that is not an answer, but only smartassing, seriously |
| 10:31.52 | hmuller | * ignores the troll |
| 10:32.01 | ratrace | Joit: you don't _configure_ it.... $DISPLAY is a special env variable set by xorg controllers |
| 10:32.12 | Lope | Joit, seems like you need to sort out your personal problems or attitude before you ask linux folks for free help. You're behaving like a 13 year old brat. Just drop the attitude and be humble and ready to learn. |
| 10:32.39 | ratrace | they only exception to this is when you run subprocesses that require DISPLAY and don't inherit it from the calling process. usually in (sub)shells executing xorg (GUI) programs |
| 10:32.41 | Haohmaru | or buy $payware_OS and demand support coz u paid for it |
| 10:32.46 | Joit | ratrace but it doesn work that way, i installed xorg, lightdm, and it set nothing |
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| 10:33.06 | Haohmaru | Joit bruh, wut exactly doesn't work? |
| 10:33.07 | Joit | and dont tell me " Mx-linux" didnt, when its based on debian |
| 10:33.10 | ratrace | it "doens't work" because your mx linux broke something, related to debian. on actual Debian, it _does_ work like that |
| 10:33.17 | ratrace | !based on debian |
| 10:33.17 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 10:33.34 | ratrace | re-read again please. especially re-read 10 times the sentence that says "we cannot know what changes were made" |
| 10:33.44 | hmuller | exactly |
| 10:33.59 | vincent- | ratrace, found a solution for the issue of not being able to resolve single-label host names despite of specifying a search domain. I replaced the "hosts:" line in /etc/nsswitch.conf with the one I have in a Fedora machine, and started to work automatically. Do you think it's a bug in Debian that should be reported? |
| 10:34.29 | ratrace | vincent-: can you repeat what was the original and what was the replacement line? |
| 10:34.38 | Joit | @Haohmaru my xserver didnt start anymore with the user, only with the root, after i had to rsync my home folder. i reinstalled nvidia drivers back and forth, xserver, dm, but nothing worked, only now, to set the DISPLAY |
| 10:34.57 | Haohmaru | aww, crapvidia involved |
| 10:35.19 | Haohmaru | i haven't had an issue with $DISPLAY and crapvidia |
| 10:35.31 | Joit | well, i had lately an ati card, but "its not supported anymore" and i had more problems with it, then any other nvidia |
| 10:35.35 | Haohmaru | * on Debian (OG) |
| 10:36.01 | Haohmaru | i suggest you consult your distribution's documentation/wiki |
| 10:36.03 | Haohmaru | >:) |
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| 10:36.20 | Joit | i have no idea too, why this now happens, i would suspect, that it should work the normal way with the dist driers from nvidia-detect |
| 10:36.21 | vincent- | ratrace, original -> "hosts: files resolve [!UNAVAIL=return] dns" |
| 10:36.23 | vincent- | ratrace, replacement -> "hosts: files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns myhostname" |
| 10:36.33 | ratrace | big problem here is that this is not a systemd machine, so it can be gods know what kind of shellscript abomination nightmare that breaks the environment |
| 10:36.48 | Haohmaru | oh? |
| 10:36.56 | Joit | Haohmaru: you use now ati ? |
| 10:36.58 | Haohmaru | then yeah, who knows how things wurk |
| 10:37.22 | Haohmaru | Joit i switched to Radeons (old-ish models, i just need opengl 2.1 or so) |
| 10:37.29 | ratrace | vincent-: oh I see... so basicaly I think it's removal of "resolve" that does it |
| 10:38.01 | ratrace | vincent-: I thought that would imply sourcing resolv.conf first but I think it means querying the resolved daemon directly |
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| 10:38.07 | Haohmaru | Joit why are you using this "mx-linux" or whatever it is? |
| 10:38.20 | vincent- | ratrace, I can try changing only that bit and see if it works. Give me a sec. |
| 10:38.24 | Lope | I used to use ubuntu and mint etc. Until I realized those are noob OS's and if I want help from the real brains in #debian, I need to run debian. So I switched. No more problems or problems getting help on technical things. |
| 10:38.50 | Haohmaru | Lope eggzactly |
| 10:39.03 | Lope | I used to come in here and lie that I was using debian. |
| 10:39.08 | Haohmaru | and not debian-next, that's not supported here, and you're expected to be a semi-h4x0r |
| 10:39.15 | Lope | Then I realized i was wasting the time of people here and my own time. |
| 10:39.17 | Haohmaru | Lope sinner |
| 10:39.22 | ratrace | vincent-: that will probably work. "resolve" there puts nss-resolve in the chain which queries systemd-resolved directly |
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| 10:39.37 | Lope | I've repented for my sins. and now I've confessed! |
| 10:39.37 | Joit | its nice made, i changed after the horrible update to 19.xx from the most distros, had debian running, but some things didnt work too, so i did go to mx and xfce. |
| 10:39.45 | Lope | and am reborn |
| 10:39.54 | ratrace | vincent-: https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/nss-resolve.html |
| 10:40.29 | Lope | no donation, no salvation. |
| 10:40.29 | vincent- | ratrace, removing "resolve" did not work. I had to replace it with "mdns4_minimal". The rest of the line remained unchanged. |
| 10:40.44 | Haohmaru | Joit so you tried debian, it didn't wurk, so you tossed it and put mx-linux, now that one doesn't wurk, and you come to #debian for help |
| 10:40.58 | ratrace | vincent-: removed it both with [!UNAVAIL=return] ? |
| 10:41.12 | Joit | tried ubuntu too, but they have t the installation routine one server "securiity.xxx" or something, what has a timout most time of 10 minutes, you sit at the installation, and wait really 10 minutes, until it says " could not connect" thats a joke |
| 10:41.42 | vincent- | ratrace, no, just "resolve". I didn't know [!UNAVAIL ...] was part of it. I guess they are parameters to "resolve" or something like that. |
| 10:41.46 | Joit | Haohmaru: mx did work all the time and nice, until my hdd had a crash and i had to rescue my home folder |
| 10:41.47 | Lope | sounds like you need to learn to use linux properly instead of jumping distros every 5 mins. |
| 10:41.54 | Joit | then after rsync the problems started |
| 10:42.29 | vincent- | ratrace, now it works. This is how the whole line looks like: "hosts: files dns" |
| 10:42.35 | ratrace | vincent-: it's a chain of backends to try one after another, to resolve "hosts", more info in nsswitch.conf(5) manapge, about these extra actions |
| 10:43.03 | Haohmaru | yeah, so "how to fix that" would depend on the distribution, but it's not debian, so it's not very on-topic here |
| 10:43.04 | ratrace | vincent-: right, so with "files dns" it queries files first (/etc/hosts) and then does a dns recursion if it doens't get an answer from files |
| 10:43.19 | vincent- | > ratrace> "resolve" there puts nss-resolve in the chain which queries systemd-resolved directly |
| 10:43.21 | ratrace | files dns is the most minimal sane chain you can have, so that's okay |
| 10:43.23 | vincent- | Why is that a problem_ |
| 10:43.35 | ratrace | vincent-: because systemd-resolved is very buggy still |
| 10:43.44 | Joit | lope, another joke? i didnt "jump distros all 5 minutes" After this horrible "update" i tried like 3 distros, if i can find one, what works, but ould not find one, what is pretty poor for the whole linux distributions |
| 10:43.47 | vincent- | Oh, I see. I didn't know that. |
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| 10:43.57 | vincent- | So it shouldn't be a problem in the future. |
| 10:44.25 | ratrace | vincent-: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Systemd-resolved#systemd-resolved_not_searching_the_local_domain |
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| 10:44.47 | Joit | Haohmaru: the most i found was, that debian has the most problems with the xserver, and mx is definetly based on debian 10 |
| 10:44.48 | vincent- | ratrace, is it safe changing /etc/nsswitch.conf, or will it be overwritten in the next update of glibc, or by some other software? |
| 10:44.49 | ratrace | question is only how distant future |
| 10:45.13 | Haohmaru | Joit huh? what xserver problems bruh?! |
| 10:45.14 | ratrace | vincent-: it's safe. if a package will try to rewrite it in a future apt upgrade, you'll get a prompt |
| 10:45.15 | Joit | mx didnt change a lot at the base they only add some things |
| 10:45.31 | Haohmaru | things like.. bugs? |
| 10:45.32 | vincent- | ratrace, excellent. Thanks a lot for your time and help :-) |
| 10:45.42 | Joit | that the xserver dont start under debian, that is, what i did find on the net |
| 10:45.43 | ratrace | !next |
| 10:45.43 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 10:46.02 | vincent- | I'm not leaving..., yet :P |
| 10:46.07 | ratrace | ;) |
| 10:46.22 | Haohmaru | Joit are you kidding me? i install debian with a desktop environment (or multiple) and the sh*t wurkz |
| 10:46.52 | Lope | Joit, I've tried a lot of distros and they've all worked perfectly. You must be doing some weird shit. |
| 10:47.26 | Joit | i dont remember anymore exactly, what the problem with debian was, maybe the source "security" too with its idiotic timeout of 10 minutes? |
| 10:47.48 | Haohmaru | no idea what you're talking about |
| 10:47.58 | Joit | the apt sources |
| 10:48.01 | Haohmaru | anyway, Joit try #mx-linux or sumfin |
| 10:48.18 | Lope | Joit, you're the only person I've ever seen come in with these sorts of issues and behaviours. You're either a troll or doing weird shit. Consider what you're doing that's not normal and start there. |
| 10:48.20 | Haohmaru | or $internetz, $websearch |
| 10:49.13 | Haohmaru | or buy $payware_OS and demand support |
| 10:49.20 | Joit | during installation, it refresh a few times the sources, and ie ubutu has one source, what only has a timeout. its nearly impossible, to install it plain simple without waiting a few times 10 minutes for nothign |
| 10:49.45 | Lope | again, you're the only person with these weird issues. Check your network. |
| 10:50.04 | Haohmaru | bruh, i've installed debian on many machines, there's no such "pointless waiting for minutes" there |
| 10:50.11 | Joit | lope, you really sounds like a linux-noob, as you said |
| 10:50.42 | Lope | You're assuming the problem is the software but need to consider your environment because your issues are unique to you. |
| 10:50.51 | Joit | Haohmaru: i wrote "ie. ubuntu " above, no ? hard to read, that? |
| 10:50.54 | Joit | bruuuuh |
| 10:50.56 | themill | thinks it's time to return to Debian support |
| 10:51.04 | Haohmaru | Joit his debian probably is in better working condition than yours right now.. who's the noob? |
| 10:51.16 | Lope | Joit, haha, thanks dude that means a lot to me. Have a nice day. |
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| 10:51.36 | Joit | well, burrh, did he have a hdd crash too with rsync? Then we can talk .. |
| 10:51.40 | Haohmaru | sets mode: +o themill |
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| 10:52.16 | Haohmaru | Joit: #mx-linux |
| 10:52.28 | genr8_ | next time you rsync an entire system make sure you use -A -X for copying ACL's and Xattrs |
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| 10:52.54 | Joit | Haohmaru: sounds like all your tips, is an useless channel |
| 10:53.03 | themill | Joit: that's enough thanks. |
| 10:53.14 | Joit | genr, did that, 2 times, to compare again |
| 10:53.26 | Joit | and make sure, anything gets 1:1 copied |
| 10:53.48 | Joit | but anyhow, the xserver didnt really survive that |
| 10:53.55 | Haohmaru | Joit so mx-linux is great, but #mx-linux is useless and you come to #debian instead, huh? |
| 10:54.13 | Haohmaru | and you call people noobs |
| 10:54.27 | Joit | Haohmaru: are you some mental problems ? mx-linux is an empty channel, join it, and tell me how much users are there |
| 10:54.29 | Joit | bruuuh |
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| 10:55.01 | Haohmaru | Joit then congratulations, you are the first user there, feel free to start supporting other visitors |
| 10:55.21 | Haohmaru | or pick a "better" OS next time, depending on your skillz and needs |
| 10:55.35 | themill | moving on |
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| 10:56.31 | tohoyn | It seems that NetworkManager does not find my WiFi. See https://paste.debian.net/1165099/ |
| 10:56.41 | tohoyn | can you help me with this |
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| 10:58.30 | ratrace | tohoyn: you quit last time before I had a chance to suggest a broader search: journalctl -b | grep -Pi "network|wpa" |
| 10:58.45 | tohoyn | ok. I'll do that next |
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| 11:11.59 | Lope | ratrace, it's funny above, his comment about you asking him "useless stuff" reminds me of a recent experience where a dev more junior than me asked me to debug their bug. But they wanted to hold the keyboard and mouse to "save me time" and wanted to control what I could check and not check, etc. It was very face-palmish. I had to keep asking "if you know better than me, then why am I team leader and why are you coming to me asking me to solve your problem |
| 11:12.00 | Lope | that you can't solve?" "if you don't know what's wrong or how to debug it, why are you telling me how to debug it?" |
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| 11:14.24 | Lope | I think in that situation it's important to ask the person if they're not only asking for help, but ready to learn and receive help. Generally one can set conditions for helping people. "If you want me to help you, you have to accept that you don't know everything and you have to let me help you." If they can't agree on that, they can't get any of my time. |
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| 11:15.20 | ratrace | it's more about there being red herrings which can lead you astray even if you're experienced. |
| 11:16.05 | ratrace | correlation != causation is often an issue. one thinks there's no DISPLAY set while, but that's just an artifact of that particular test (switching to another tty), and not the original problem (lightdm not starting xfce) |
| 11:16.34 | ratrace | that's why I never, ever help people in PM. I'm not infallible. I want others to holler if I say somethign stupid. |
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| 11:17.53 | Lope | yeah that's definitely a thing. the person also didn't want me to check certain basic things because it was obvious. I said "I don't know what mistakes you've made." They said "no, that's all fine." I had to say "you're not perfect, and you do make mistakes sometimes." Funny how the human factor can be a significant part of a bug or debugging process, in addition to technical issues. |
| 11:18.08 | Haohmaru | ratrace yeah.. when the coffee levels go low.. |
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| 11:19.28 | Lope | And I agree, the 2nd opinion sometimes makes mistakes too. Sometimes I create a new bug when I fix an old bug. We all have to have a humble attitude. |
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| 11:26.44 | tohoyn | ratrace: here is the output of the last command you gave: https://paste.debian.net/1165106/ |
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| 11:28.33 | ratrace | tohoyn: are you on that computer right now? |
| 11:28.46 | tohoyn | ratrace: about 20 meters away |
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| 11:30.20 | ratrace | there's no immediately visible issue from these logs, but also that means no wifi connection is even attempted. is there a wifi or "wireless" option in the NetworkManager connection settings? |
| 11:30.27 | ratrace | tohoyn: ^^^ |
| 11:30.59 | tohoyn | ratrace: shall I look at nm-connection-manager or some conf file? |
| 11:31.25 | ratrace | tohoyn: no, the GUI itself. that's gnome it seems, so there should be an icon in the top right corner, for network connections |
| 11:31.46 | tohoyn | ratrace: yes but wifi is not shown there at all |
| 11:32.41 | nvz | tohoyn: not _at_ _all_ or it says it's disabled in the applet? |
| 11:32.56 | tohoyn | nvz: wait a minute |
| 11:33.07 | nvz | heh |
| 11:33.18 | ratrace | and in addition, check `ip link` in the terminal and see if the wireless interface appears there |
| 11:33.37 | nvz | yeah, one thing I do know is n-m will ignore things in /e/n/i |
| 11:33.42 | ratrace | yeah this will be hard if you have to walk over for each thing to try out :) can't you extend that cable out? |
| 11:34.10 | tohoyn | nvz: it only shows VPN |
| 11:34.10 | ratrace | nvz: but that would be listed in the logs as changing unmanaged to unavailable, as it does already for enp3s0 |
| 11:34.15 | nvz | ratrace: what amuses me is, we were workin on this yesterday.. and they always say wait a minute after everything I say :P |
| 11:34.53 | tohoyn | ratrace: the problem is that the network does not work with the computer I'm debugging |
| 11:35.10 | tohoyn | ratrace: what do you mean by extending the cable |
| 11:35.11 | ratrace | tohoyn: cable'd network? |
| 11:35.28 | tohoyn | ratrace: I use my mobile telephone for the network |
| 11:35.56 | ratrace | tohoyn: oh, then I misunderstood when you said you were 20 meters away from the computer you're debugging. I thought you had to log on irc from another machine, 20 meters away.... |
| 11:35.57 | efloid | backport kernel 5.7 fails on a machine with f2fs filesystem. the stock 4.19 kernel boots fine. not sure what is wrong unless the 5.7 kernel is missing something beyond what should be in the initramfs |
| 11:36.43 | ratrace | tohoyn: and to be 100% sure here... can you use the cable'd (eth) network on that computer? there's an interface, but is there a cable connected to a working local switch/router/hub/something? |
| 11:37.09 | ratrace | (and now I'm wondering how you'd get that journalctl output out.... I *hope* you did not have to type it all up) |
| 11:37.25 | tohoyn | ratrace: I used a usb stick |
| 11:37.35 | ratrace | ((initially I thought you were dual booting and had to quit, reboot, reboot again and come back to irc)) |
| 11:37.46 | tohoyn | are you asking if I have a cabled network available? |
| 11:37.50 | ratrace | tohoyn: yes I am |
| 11:38.13 | tohoyn | wait a minute, I'll check my things |
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| 11:41.18 | nvz | tohoyn: the two main things that would cause it to not show up is if its configured in /etc/network/interfaces or if there is a firmware issue. I would advise double checking both of these look to see if the wireless interface is mentioned in /etc/network/interfaces and if you have any firmware errors dmesg|grep -i firmware |
| 11:41.54 | nvz | either of these should be evident from that log.. |
| 11:42.41 | nvz | but still, I can't offhand think of anything else that wouldnt also be evident in that log |
| 11:43.37 | efloid | kernel.org don't link to current stable kernel? have to parse the dates through a long list |
| 11:44.06 | tohoyn | ratrace: sorry, I don't have a cable network |
| 11:44.17 | nvz | tohoyn: really at this point I'd say its worth backing up a bit and explaining the big picture more.. cause as I understand this machine was working and then it wasnt.. and the details on that as well as what other machines you have there is unclear. |
| 11:44.27 | genr8_ | efloid, theres a giant yellow button on the homepage 5.8.10 i believe |
| 11:44.39 | genr8_ | 5.8.12 now |
| 11:44.53 | tohoyn | nvz: I have a linux laptop (the one I'm debugging) and I currently use a Windows laptop |
| 11:44.55 | nvz | cause if you have two machines, you can cable them together if you have an ethernet cable, and share the network for troubleshooting purposes |
| 11:45.00 | efloid | oh i see on the main kernel.org page it is linked. in the ftp directory it's just a list |
| 11:45.10 | efloid | genr8_: thanks |
| 11:45.22 | tohoyn | nvz: ok. I'll check if I have an ethernet cable |
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| 11:45.40 | genr8_ | those kernels are not the same as what debian provides |
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| 11:45.55 | efloid | genr8_: can you also just git pull it? it will pull the latest? |
| 11:47.19 | genr8_ | if you pull the right branch. its still not the same as debian. |
| 11:47.29 | efloid | genr8_: i know. i will try to use the config from the sid 5.8 kernel as a starting point |
| 11:47.37 | tohoyn | nvz: sorry, I don't have an ethernet cable |
| 11:47.41 | genr8_ | ok |
| 11:47.50 | tohoyn | I may have to reinstall Debian |
| 11:48.03 | nvz | tohoyn: what was the backstory on this again? I seem to recall you saying it had worked before, what is the debian version and kernel version? uname -r; cat /etc/debian_version and what happened between it working and not working? upgrade, power failure, plane crash? |
| 11:48.10 | genr8_ | still not the same, debian provides its own patches |
| 11:48.20 | genr8_ | the config file is what matters the most though |
| 11:48.43 | tohoyn | nvz: what happened that I played with some bluetooth headphones and my computer (tried to connect them) |
| 11:48.45 | genr8_ | https://salsa.debian.org/kernel-team/linux/-/tree/sid |
| 11:49.02 | efloid | genr8_: yes it's all the options that need to be enabled to match hardware and software functionality that's needed by other components |
| 11:49.20 | genr8_ | unless they were provided by debian instead |
| 11:49.33 | genr8_ | you would need that git tree to be the "debian/" subdirectory |
| 11:49.58 | efloid | cool thanks |
| 11:50.17 | nvz | tohoyn: did you do more than just try to connect them with the GUI? like a lot of reading random stuff online and running commnands? have you rebooted since you did this? |
| 11:51.19 | efloid | genr8_: so only clone the debian/ directory? |
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| 11:51.38 | genr8_ | thats what that repo is. |
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| 11:52.19 | tohoyn | nvz: uname -r gives 5.8.0-2-amd64 |
| 11:52.19 | icypee | hey |
| 11:52.29 | efloid | genr8_: oh i get it. get the raw kernel source and clone that into the kernel source into debian/ |
| 11:52.41 | genr8_ | yes |
| 11:52.49 | tohoyn | nvz: /etc/debian_version gives bullseye/sid |
| 11:53.01 | icypee | i'm trying to install gnome 3.36 but when i do sudo apt search gnome-core it says i can install gnome 3.30 even though i have unstable enabled |
| 11:53.08 | genr8_ | the patches dont seem to relate to f2fs so it may not matter. just go with what you know |
| 11:53.13 | icypee | how do i install the unstable version of gnome? |
| 11:53.30 | joepublic | dpkg, debian-next |
| 11:53.30 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also https://wiki.debian.org/IRC and https://wiki.debian.org/GettingHelpOnIrc |
| 11:53.38 | nvz | tohoyn: which are you actually using, bullseye or sid? regardless you're way out of date |
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| 11:54.04 | tohoyn | nvz: bullseye |
| 11:54.46 | nvz | tohoyn: you're likely experiencing issues with the python migration.. to be of further help to you here I'd highly recommend you install stable, thats what we support here |
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| 11:55.21 | genr8_ | efloid, oh i was wrong. |
| 11:55.25 | ratrace | ,v linux-image-amd64 |
| 11:55.25 | genr8_ | https://salsa.debian.org/kernel-team/linux/-/blob/sid/debian/patches/bugfix/all/fs-add-module_softdep-declarations-for-hard-coded-cr.patch |
| 11:55.26 | judd | Package: linux-image-amd64 on amd64 -- jessie: 3.16+63+deb8u2; jessie-security: 3.16+63+deb8u7; stretch-security: 4.9+80+deb9u6; stretch: 4.9+80+deb9u11; stretch-backports: 4.19+105+deb10u4~bpo9+1; buster: 4.19+105+deb10u6; buster-backports: 5.7.10-1~bpo10+1; bullseye: 5.8.10-1; sid: 5.8.10-1; experimental: 5.9~rc6-1~exp1 |
| 11:55.29 | efloid | genr8_: "git@salsa.debian.org: Permission denied (publickey)." |
| 11:55.34 | genr8_ | This helps initramfs builders and other tools to find the full dependencies of a module. |
| 11:55.46 | genr8_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:56.04 | efloid | cannot download with git - permission denied |
| 11:56.14 | nvz | tohoyn: either way you are on an non-stable branch going through several heavy migrations, you are without network, and ytou're going to have big problems.. we could try plot a course for the best option going forward but either way you are kinda beyond support for the current issue because you made the mistake of using testing in the first place |
| 11:56.43 | tohoyn | nvz: I need testing for software development |
| 11:56.43 | genr8_ | efloid, i find that hard to believe |
| 11:57.04 | nvz | tohoyn: you probably do not.. not on baremetal like that |
| 11:57.13 | ratrace | tohoyn: you can run testing in a container or chroot, or a VM, for that purpose |
| 11:57.24 | genr8_ | efloid, git clone -b sid --single-branch https://salsa.debian.org/kernel-team/linux.git |
| 11:57.41 | nvz | tohoyn: we can help you figure out a better way, but you're going to have to tell us more about what you got to work with, what your needs are, and such |
| 11:57.59 | efloid | genr8_: thx |
| 11:58.05 | genr8_ | before you do all that. just try force-loading the crypto-crc32 module in your initramfs |
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| 11:58.17 | tohoyn | What version of guile and octave do you have? |
| 11:58.18 | genr8_ | its actually a dependency but it wasnt marked until debian patched it |
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| 11:58.33 | nvz | tohoyn: were it me, I'd be writing a stable installer from the windows machine, and plotting a course to install stable on that linux box and then address your development needs |
| 11:58.37 | tohoyn | nvz: I mean stable has |
| 11:59.06 | nvz | tohoyn: you can run the testing versions from stable or backport them.. but first we gotta get your machine working again |
| 11:59.07 | efloid | genr8_: will add crypto-crc32 to /etc/initramfs-tools/modules and rebuild |
| 11:59.43 | nvz | tohoyn: with you not having an alternate means of networking, the first problem would be plotting the course to get stable on that machine and getting it online again |
| 12:00.04 | efloid | genr8_: already had several other modules added for f2fs but crypto-crc32 wasn't one of them |
| 12:00.46 | ratrace | nvz: you're in a rather maritimey mood today :) |
| 12:01.22 | genr8_ | yea. also of note, they compile with all these important options enabled: https://salsa.debian.org/kernel-team/linux/-/blob/sid/debian/config/config#L5824-5833 |
| 12:01.27 | nvz | ratrace: heh, idk what you mean by that, I just hate to see people foolishly running our testing/unstable branch on baremetal cause they dont know how to achieve what they want without breaking their whole system |
| 12:01.43 | ratrace | nvz: plotting courses left and right :) |
| 12:02.03 | tohoyn | nvz: testing has worked fine for me so far |
| 12:02.17 | tohoyn | except once I was unable to install it |
| 12:02.22 | ratrace | tohoyn: to use testing (and sid) you need to have experience to fix problems like this when they arise |
| 12:02.30 | genr8_ | you have to accept its a beta |
| 12:02.38 | ratrace | primarily around network so you can get back online and seek more help if you need |
| 12:02.45 | nvz | tohoyn: octave in stable is 4.4.1-5 guile there is 2.0.13+1-5.1 and 2.2.4+1-2+deb10u1 but as I say, you need not use those, you could use a chroot |
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| 12:03.02 | tohoyn | I need also guile 3.0 |
| 12:03.15 | genr8_ | ,v guile |
| 12:03.16 | judd | No package named 'guile' was found in amd64. |
| 12:03.19 | nvz | tohoyn: thats /so far/ and now its broke.. and its gonna get worse.. python is in migration, C++ migration is coming.. etc.. things are going to break.. BADLY |
| 12:03.43 | TheInformaticist | That's why I use STklos |
| 12:03.43 | nvz | tohoyn: you put yourself at great risk for instability on a machine you need for productive purposes for no good reason |
| 12:03.43 | tohoyn | nvz: If I have to reinstall my system I use stable |
| 12:03.52 | genr8_ | nvz, explain C++ migration ? |
| 12:04.16 | nvz | genr8_: there is a migration coming for GCC and C++ related things |
| 12:04.25 | genr8_ | i gathered that. to what end ? |
| 12:04.44 | TheInformaticist | To reform the language, add features, etc. |
| 12:04.54 | genr8_ | its backwards compatible... |
| 12:05.10 | tohoyn | I'll be back here later today |
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| 12:08.02 | TheInformaticist | I'm running in my console, and my SD card won't load. I tried to read the man page for 'mount' but couldn't understand. Does anyone know what I need to do so that my SD card (which I never remove) will be automatically mounted whenever I boot/log in? |
| 12:08.03 | nvz | genr8_: idk, I'm not a developer, much less a DD |
| 12:08.10 | dvs | genr8_: think upgrading libc6 which is a base library for a LOT of programs. And chances are all programs will not be migrated at the same time. |
| 12:08.40 | TheInformaticist | I usually just run Thunar, which mounts it for me. |
| 12:08.53 | genr8_ | oh well thats more serious |
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| 12:11.03 | nvz | genr8_: I caught wind of the mess looking at chromium on the tracker recently.. and seeing the https://release.debian.org/transitions/html/auto-libjsoncpp.html thing.. which is a package with a slew of bugs.. even in stable |
| 12:11.10 | genr8_ | ,v libc6 |
| 12:11.12 | judd | Package: libc6 on amd64 -- jessie: 2.19-18+deb8u10; jessie-security: 2.19-18+deb8u10; stretch-security: 2.24-11+deb9u1; stretch: 2.24-11+deb9u4; buster: 2.28-10; bullseye: 2.31-3; sid: 2.31-3 |
| 12:11.26 | nvz | and depended on by both ff and chromium |
| 12:11.37 | nvz | things are gonna get worse before they get better |
| 12:12.01 | genr8_ | looks like theyre already on 2.31, and 2.32 just came out August 5th. |
| 12:12.05 | ratrace | unless it switches to a new soname, things shouldn't be _that_ ad |
| 12:12.09 | ratrace | *bad |
| 12:13.37 | nvz | the details are irrelevant for my point.. which is you shouldn't be trying to do /development/ on testing/unstable when you're not a debian deveolper doing the kind of development that relates to the next stable release |
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| 12:14.03 | nvz | you should be using stable and some sort of vm with snapshots or a chroot or something |
| 12:14.13 | genr8_ | "octave" looks like there is a buggy transition plan as well. |
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| 12:14.33 | ratrace | I'd refine what you said with just one condition: one of having the ability to fix things yourself. otherwise developing on testing or unstable is not intrisically bad |
| 12:14.56 | TheInformaticist | OK, I guess I need to read the mount page again. Like that will help, LOL |
| 12:15.36 | nvz | yeah well most people are just trying to develop stuff for work or such, and use debian cause its easy, but are using windows/ubuntu mindset of just hammering in whatever crap they need from wherever they can |
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| 12:15.42 | nvz | and that just leads to breaking debian |
| 12:15.45 | genr8_ | TheInformaticist, adding an entry to /etc/fstab is the normal procedure |
| 12:16.18 | TheInformaticist | genr8: OK, I'll try that. Thank you. |
| 12:16.22 | genr8_ | I have this one in mine for a USB stick with debian on it. /dev/sda1 /mnt/Debian\04010.3.0\040amd64\0401 auto nosuid,nodev,nofail,x-gvfs-show 0 0 |
| 12:16.33 | nvz | if you're gonna develop on debian, you need to have a familiarity with debian.. and rule #1 is don't break debian :P |
| 12:16.40 | ratrace | TheInformaticist: please define "my SD card won't load", what do you mean by that. using fstab is a permanent solution on-boot, yes, but one has to be able to mount it manually first |
| 12:17.21 | TheInformaticist | genr8: How do I find the name? It's 8 numbers, but I can't remember. |
| 12:17.50 | genr8_ | you dont need the name. /dev/name /mount/point auto options |
| 12:17.58 | TheInformaticist | ratrace: It is not mounted. |
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| 12:18.25 | genr8_ | you should make a mount point dir for it first |
| 12:18.25 | ratrace | TheInformaticist: what's the device, and what do you get when you try to mount it manually? |
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| 12:19.23 | TheInformaticist | ratrace: How do I mount the SD card into my laptop running a derivative of Debian manually? |
| 12:19.35 | ratrace | there we go again with derivatives |
| 12:19.48 | genr8_ | mount /dev/name /mnt/point |
| 12:19.54 | genr8_ | as root |
| 12:20.09 | ratrace | where "name" is the actual device, and /mnt/point is an arbitrary directory that has to exist, where you mount the device |
| 12:20.24 | TheInformaticist | I don't know the device name. It's a series of 8 numbers. |
| 12:20.34 | genr8_ | its not. thats the label. |
| 12:20.45 | TheInformaticist | So if it's not mounted, how do I find the name? |
| 12:20.52 | genr8_ | the name is /dev/sdx# or similar |
| 12:20.56 | ratrace | TheInformaticist: run dmesg | tail -n 30 (for example) right after you insert the sd card in the reader |
| 12:21.17 | TheInformaticist | OK, hold on... |
| 12:21.18 | nvz | TheInformaticist: lsblk also will show available disks and their names |
| 12:21.20 | ratrace | or try to identify it from the output of blkid or lsblk |
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| 12:23.57 | genr8_ | also |
| 12:24.13 | genr8_ | you can do "ls /dev/disk/by-partlabel/" |
| 12:24.53 | genr8_ | that will show the 8 letters you were talking about and then what device its linked to after the ../../ |
| 12:26.05 | genr8_ | you can also mount them by that named label if it helps overcome the device numbering changing |
| 12:27.40 | genr8_ | another idea is "ls /dev/disk/by-label/" |
| 12:27.47 | TheInformaticist | nvz: lsblk will not tell me the name of a disk that is not mounted, will it? |
| 12:28.20 | genr8_ | it will |
| 12:29.26 | genr8_ | another idea is "ls /dev/disk/by-path/" and look for the one that has "usb" in the name |
| 12:29.59 | genr8_ | same for "ls /dev/disk/by-id/" |
| 12:30.19 | genr8_ | now you know 7 ways |
| 12:31.08 | ratrace | if that's an SD card reader, would it show as usb? |
| 12:31.17 | TheInformaticist | No, I know zero ways. You know 7 ways. My hard drive configuration is very weird, because this is a little notebook computer. |
| 12:31.33 | genr8_ | are you trying ? |
| 12:31.46 | TheInformaticist | Uhhhhhh, yes... |
| 12:31.59 | ratrace | TheInformaticist: hence my suggestion to tail dmesg right aftre you insert the card, as that will show the events involving which device |
| 12:32.16 | TheInformaticist | I did the dmesg |
| 12:32.21 | ratrace | and? |
| 12:32.37 | genr8_ | "it said some stuff. I cant read it" |
| 12:32.40 | TheInformaticist | It was full of messages, none of which I could understand |
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| 12:32.51 | ratrace | TheInformaticist: how 'bout you pastebin them so we can try read it? |
| 12:32.53 | ratrace | !pastebin |
| 12:32.53 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: https://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: https://imgbb.com/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): https://filebin.net or https://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <termbin>. |
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| 12:33.31 | cuckoos-calling | Learn GNU Guix, https://gnuguix-drive.mycozy.cloud/public?sharecode=YvERPGX14g5S |
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| 12:33.38 | ratrace | TheInformaticist: take the card out, run dmesg | tail -n 0 -f , put it back in and pastebin whatever output you get at that moment |
| 12:33.57 | ratrace | eh no wait wrong, -f is for files.... |
| 12:34.22 | ratrace | eh just dmesg -Tw and paste the output that happens when you insert the card |
| 12:34.29 | TheInformaticist | OK |
| 12:35.07 | TheInformaticist | sudo dmesg -Tw |
| 12:35.13 | ratrace | right, as root |
| 12:35.34 | ratrace | (I never explicitly say sudo. understanding why and when you need it is crucial) |
| 12:35.36 | TheInformaticist | Sorry, I'm in emacs, and I forgot to go to my shell window :-) |
| 12:35.57 | ratrace | heh. ircing from emacs. it only lacks a good editor =) |
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| 12:37.17 | genr8_ | ratrace, do you wanna guess what device name it is, if its an SD reader not on usb and not in mass storage device mode ? |
| 12:37.36 | ratrace | (and btw, tail -n0 -F /var/log/kern.log on a default debian installation (that does journald forwarding to syslog, and kern.* to kern.log) instead of that dmesg | tail...) |
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| 12:37.55 | ratrace | genr8_: I can't guess. Last time I had to use sdcards was too long ago. :) |
| 12:38.17 | genr8_ | lil go with sdc1 |
| 12:38.35 | genr8_ | the suspense is getting to me |
| 12:39.29 | genr8_ | you could pick sdb2 and win |
| 12:39.32 | ratrace | well even on usb it should then show sdc if it's sata controller that manages it. I was asking about /dev/disk/by-id/ showing "usb" in the name, even for usb based card readers |
| 12:39.41 | TheInformaticist | OK, what pastebin can I use with html only? |
| 12:40.01 | ratrace | just use paste.debian.net |
| 12:40.06 | TheInformaticist | ok |
| 12:40.47 | genr8_ | also termbin.com exists |
| 12:42.06 | TheInformaticist | It's saying that the buffer is read only for that page. |
| 12:42.18 | TheInformaticist | yeah, I'm slow as molasses. |
| 12:42.47 | ratrace | for termbin..... something like tail -n0 -F /var/log/kern.log > sdcard.txt ; <insert card>, cancel the tail ; cat sdcard.txt | nc termbin.com 9999 ; post the URL you get here |
| 12:42.52 | TheInformaticist | I'm forcing myself to use Emacs in the console for everything. |
| 12:43.31 | nvz | real hackers use butterflies |
| 12:43.41 | TheInformaticist | hah |
| 12:44.03 | nvz | https://xkcd.com/378/ |
| 12:44.11 | ratrace | dammit, emacs! :) |
| 12:44.16 | nvz | :D |
| 12:44.17 | wuseman | Or brain |
| 12:44.26 | wuseman | Real hackers uses no knifes |
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| 12:47.43 | genr8_ | for every minute longer this takes, im adding 1 year to my mental approximation of his age |
| 12:48.31 | ratrace | well, this is irc. in some channels it takes days between two posts :) |
| 12:49.12 | ratrace | like #factorio. I posted two days ago, got a reply yesterday to which I replied today :) |
| 12:49.12 | genr8_ | usually time spent waiting for someone to care |
| 12:49.19 | nvz | heh |
| 12:49.24 | genr8_ | i love factorio |
| 12:49.29 | wuseman | Haha |
| 12:49.44 | wuseman | Who cares now? |
| 12:49.47 | wuseman | Think twice! |
| 12:50.17 | wuseman | goes back to idle |
| 12:51.49 | TheInformaticist | What is factorio? |
| 12:51.54 | ratrace | gasps |
| 12:52.13 | ratrace | the bestest game ever invented! https://factorio.com/ |
| 12:52.45 | TheInformaticist | Does it require Javascript to view? |
| 12:53.03 | genr8_ | i dont think so |
| 12:53.14 | tralala | you probably won't see much without graphics |
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| 12:53.48 | hmuller | I've heard of that. one of the minecraft devs plays that |
| 12:54.12 | TheInformaticist | tralala: That's my point. |
| 12:54.20 | genr8_ | its highly addictive |
| 12:54.21 | wuseman | high level then |
| 12:54.54 | TheInformaticist | genr8: I mainly play Armagetron Advanced. |
| 12:55.24 | ratrace | it can literally do this for you. you start playing around noon. assuming it grabbed your attention, you feel peckish around 8pm, you zombie to the fridge, grab something to eat and go back to playing. around 5am the next day you realize what happened....... and you're still playing it. |
| 12:55.33 | genr8_ | idk that one. im hardly into any games at all besides this and starcraft 2 |
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| 12:55.54 | ratrace | TheInformaticist: btw any news on that dmesg tail paste? |
| 12:56.09 | ratrace | the guys here are getting restless and anxious to dive in helping! |
| 12:56.16 | genr8_ | looks interesting though. maybe id like it. |
| 12:56.18 | TheInformaticist | I'm trying to get privatebin.com to load. |
| 12:56.22 | icypee | Hey I installed GNOME 3 and now im stuck on a grey screen when logging in |
| 12:56.29 | icypee | How do I fix this? |
| 12:56.43 | ratrace | TheInformaticist: just cat the file with that specific output to termbin.com 9999 and be done |
| 12:56.53 | genr8_ | I like when games are free |
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| 12:57.16 | TheInformaticist | I don't know how to do that. |
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| 12:58.14 | ratrace | TheInformaticist: tail -n0 -F /var/log/kern.log > sdcard.txt ; <insert card>, cancel the tail ; review sdcard.txt for private data you may not wanna publish ; cat sdcard.txt | nc termbin.com 9999 ; post the URL you get here |
| 12:58.15 | icypee | I login and gdm gives me a grey screen |
| 12:58.28 | ruied | I'm using debian bullseye. How can I install openvpn from debian buster? |
| 12:58.32 | ratrace | icypee: I'm gonna hazard a guess and say your gpu is to blame. which gpu is it, which drivers are you using? |
| 12:58.36 | genr8_ | step 1: save the file. step 2: apt-get install netcat, step3: type "cat filename.txt | nc termbin.com 9999" |
| 12:58.54 | genr8_ | ruied, why do you want to do that in reverse ? |
| 12:59.05 | icypee | Im using the proprietary nvidia drivers |
| 12:59.19 | ratrace | icypee: which version for which gpu model? |
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| 12:59.51 | icypee | Im using the latest for a GT 730 |
| 13:00.25 | ratrace | ,v nvidia-driver |
| 13:00.26 | judd | Package: nvidia-driver on amd64 -- jessie/non-free: 340.106-1; stretch-proposed-updates/non-free: 390.132-1; stretch/non-free: 390.138-1; stretch-backports/non-free: 418.74-1~bpo9+1; buster/non-free: 418.152.00-1; buster-backports/non-free: 440.100-1~bpo10+1; bullseye/non-free: 450.66-1; sid/non-free: 450.66-1; experimental/non-free: 455.23.04-1 |
| 13:00.36 | icypee | The latest on buster |
| 13:00.41 | ratrace | icypee: so 418.152.00 ? |
| 13:00.45 | icypee | Yeah |
| 13:00.45 | ratrace | or backported? |
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| 13:00.51 | icypee | Backported |
| 13:00.53 | ruied | openvpn seems to have a bug, I have other system with debian buster, tryed the same configuration files, it works on buster but it doesn't work on bullseye |
| 13:00.54 | ratrace | try the ba..... ok |
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| 13:01.17 | ratrace | icypee: so that's a single gpu system, not some optimus hybrid laptop thingy? |
| 13:01.20 | genr8_ | interesting. now im worried. |
| 13:01.26 | icypee | Yes |
| 13:01.55 | ratrace | icypee: alright. you can ctrl-alt-f2 (for example) into tty2, and then review the logs |
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| 13:02.26 | ratrace | icypee: start with /var/log/Xorg.0.log . you can cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | nc termbin.com 9999 and then post the URL you get here. assumes you have netcat installed. |
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| 13:02.39 | ratrace | no root needed to read Xorg.0.log |
| 13:02.49 | rs2009 | Hi there, I had a question: in Debian Buster, there are issues with running /sbin/ldconfig using qemu-i386-static (debootstrap --foreign second stage) on a Raspberry Pi 4B. However, it does work on Stretch. |
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| 13:04.39 | icypee | ratrace https://termbin.com/3iwp |
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| 13:05.47 | TheInformaticist | Sorry, for some reason bash is hanging every time I try to enter my root password. |
| 13:06.19 | TheInformaticist | I'll have to try again later. I have some business to attend to. Thanks for your help. |
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| 13:07.16 | icypee | ratrace is there anything of note in there? |
| 13:08.07 | ratrace | icypee: well, no errors explicitly mentioned, so that's good. but you seem to be using a xorg.conf ; those things aren't needed unless you explicitly need to override some autodetect stuf. what's in it? |
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| 13:08.45 | genr8_ | ruied, you can try to download the .deb file from https://packages.debian.org/buster/amd64/openvpn/download and then use dpkg -i to install it, but i cant guarantee thats gonna work on the wrong debian version |
| 13:08.56 | icypee | Should I send my xorg.conf too? |
| 13:08.58 | ratrace | genr8_: now that's a debbie downer high sugar pastebin expectation crash, innit :) |
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| 13:09.10 | ratrace | genr8_: the informaticist leaving, I mean :) |
| 13:09.15 | ratrace | icypee: yes please |
| 13:09.24 | genr8_ | yep. i gave up 20 minutes ago though |
| 13:09.49 | ratrace | icypee: but more importantly than that, why is it there? who created it? what happens if you remove it (don't delete, just rename to something like old.conf.xorg |
| 13:10.11 | icypee | Wait can I just rename it and be good then? |
| 13:10.38 | ratrace | icypee: maybe. like I said, unless you explicitely created it to override a default/auto setting, it's not needed and yes, it may very well be the cause of issues |
| 13:11.19 | icypee | OK I renamed it |
| 13:11.26 | ratrace | now reboot |
| 13:11.34 | ratrace | icypee: wait |
| 13:12.11 | ratrace | in case you don't get GUI at all for some reason due to this, you can add systemd.unit=multi-user.target to your kernel command line via grub, to boot into text mode directly; and rename back the xorg.conf |
| 13:12.33 | genr8_ | interesting |
| 13:12.51 | ratrace | on the off chance the file was there for a reason :) |
| 13:13.01 | icypee | I still get the grey screen after the reboot |
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| 13:14.52 | ratrace | icypee: alright, now you'll have to crawl through the journal and look for any clues. I'd say it'd be as easy as looking at journalctl -b -p err -p warning but I know for a fact that gnome sometimes logs errors at lesser severities, so ideally look at it as a whole |
| 13:15.26 | genr8_ | maybe this has something to do with it |
| 13:15.37 | ruied | genr8_, thanks- I was wondering if there is some kind of choosing between versions when doin apt install <debian_version_or_something). |
| 13:15.38 | ratrace | you could, however start with journalctl -b -p err -p warning, netcat that to termbin.com 9999 but I must warn you there may be private/sensitive info in that output, so.... review it first |
| 13:15.42 | ruied | going to try |
| 13:15.52 | genr8_ | Build Operating System: Linux 4.19.0-10-amd64 Current Operating System: Linux marcus-debian 5.8.0-1-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 5.8.7-1 |
| 13:16.20 | icypee | It says no entries when I enter it |
| 13:16.30 | ratrace | genr8_: could be just backported kernel |
| 13:16.42 | genr8_ | ruied, not easily, no |
| 13:16.54 | ratrace | icypee: journalctl -b -p err -p warning has no output AT ALL? running journalctl as root/sudo ? |
| 13:17.25 | genr8_ | it probably is, but that could affect something right ? |
| 13:17.32 | ratrace | genr8_: on kernel module mismatch or xorg driver version mismatch, there'd be loud error entries in both journal and xorg.0.log |
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| 13:18.02 | icypee | ratrace https://termbin.com/07gz |
| 13:18.06 | ratrace | and not even gdm would start, btw.... there'd be black screen with a blinking cursor right aftre grub, in most such cases |
| 13:18.19 | genr8_ | NVIDIA GLX Module 450.66 |
| 13:18.37 | icypee | It gives me a grey screen |
| 13:18.49 | ruied | genr8_, Working fine!!! It might be some kind of bug, or any difference in file configuration... but it's working now... :) |
| 13:19.00 | genr8_ | interesting |
| 13:19.10 | genr8_ | did it say what line the configuration error was on ? |
| 13:19.19 | genr8_ | or just silent bug |
| 13:19.28 | icypee | Is there anything wrong in the journalctl ratrace |
| 13:19.53 | ratrace | ,v nvidia-driver |
| 13:19.54 | judd | Package: nvidia-driver on amd64 -- jessie/non-free: 340.106-1; stretch-proposed-updates/non-free: 390.132-1; stretch/non-free: 390.138-1; stretch-backports/non-free: 418.74-1~bpo9+1; buster/non-free: 418.152.00-1; buster-backports/non-free: 440.100-1~bpo10+1; bullseye/non-free: 450.66-1; sid/non-free: 450.66-1; experimental/non-free: 455.23.04-1 |
| 13:20.16 | ratrace | icypee: well that screencast gjs error, no idea what it means but it could be something |
| 13:20.18 | ruied | no error just connecting and stayed there connected with Just 'RRRRR' now it is connected and reporting RWRWRW..... |
| 13:20.21 | genr8_ | icypee, how are you using the bulleye 450.66 Nvidia-driver on buster ? the buster packport says its 440.100 |
| 13:20.44 | icypee | Ohhhh I guess I was wrong then |
| 13:20.51 | ruied | at the other end I have a Mikrotik, so I couldn't reach there to get more info... |
| 13:20.55 | ratrace | icypee: how did you install it? |
| 13:21.03 | ratrace | nvidia-driver |
| 13:21.29 | icypee | https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Installation |
| 13:21.34 | genr8_ | answer which version driver you actually have. |
| 13:21.35 | icypee | I just.followed this |
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| 13:22.07 | icypee | nvidia-driver dosent work |
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| 13:23.08 | ratrace | icypee: followed "this" what exactly? there's a number of solutions there, none of which would get you to 450 tho |
| 13:23.19 | ruied | the only vpn that worked was one that I have created yesterday with new certificates with easyrsa_3 |
| 13:23.28 | ratrace | also.... udisksd[725]: failed to load module mdraid: libbd_mdraid.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory .. I wonder if this is actually blocking gnome and chasing gpu errors is just red herring |
| 13:23.31 | ruied | going to restar my laptop |
| 13:23.37 | genr8_ | icypee, "apt list nvidia* | grep installed" |
| 13:23.43 | ruied | thanks |
| 13:23.58 | rs2009 | Hi there, I had a question: in Debian Buster and Sid, there are issues with running /sbin/ldconfig using qemu-i386-static (debootstrap --foreign second stage) on a Raspberry Pi 4B. However, it does work on Stretch. |
| 13:24.15 | genr8_ | It should be version 440, not 450. |
| 13:24.15 | icypee | It says I have 450 |
| 13:24.24 | genr8_ | how the... |
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| 13:24.31 | ruied | now all seems to work fine except for the gui openvpn... going to restart to check if it will work with gui |
| 13:24.35 | ratrace | icypee: can you pastebin apt-cache policy nvidia-driver pleaes? |
| 13:25.16 | ratrace | icypee: you can apt-cache policy nvidia-driver | nc termbin.com 9999 from another tty |
| 13:25.22 | icypee | termbin.com/5pmwx |
| 13:25.30 | ratrace | icypee: but bottom line.... gdm login screen works? |
| 13:25.42 | icypee | No it dosent |
| 13:25.50 | genr8_ | you buggered your system by installing "unstable" nvidia driver. |
| 13:26.15 | ratrace | icypee: ah you don't even get to the login screen, that kind of grey screen? I thought you meant after logging-in |
| 13:26.30 | genr8_ | youll have to remove that from your sources.list, remove the nvidia package, and go back to reinstalling from the buster-backports 440 version |
| 13:26.31 | icypee | No I get a grey screen after I start up |
| 13:26.37 | ratrace | " im stuck on a grey screen when logging in" .. I thought you meant after logging in, okay |
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| 13:27.07 | genr8_ | unstable + buster + nvidia driver = no bueno |
| 13:27.14 | ratrace | icypee: something is seriously broken there. you also have nvidia from sid, not backports, which you wouldn't get following that page you linked. I'd recommend purging that version and installing either buster's 418 or backported 440 |
| 13:27.33 | icypee | So what should I do first? |
| 13:27.35 | genr8_ | thats got to be it |
| 13:27.41 | ratrace | indeed no bueno since newer nvidia might require newer mesa and xorg, and I hope you didn't pull those too into buster |
| 13:27.50 | genr8_ | he probalby did |
| 13:28.12 | genr8_ | how do you un-sid everything ? |
| 13:28.39 | dvs | !downgrade |
| 13:28.39 | dpkg | Downgrading is not, nor will ever be supported by apt. Programs change their data in a way that can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades. Try: "dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to get the old version number. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
| 13:28.39 | ratrace | the Ripley way |
| 13:28.55 | dvs | that's how |
| 13:29.03 | genr8_ | very carefully ? |
| 13:29.07 | joepublic | how do you get the eggs and flour back out of a cake? |
| 13:29.07 | ratrace | "I say we take off and nuke the site from orbit. that's the only way to be sure. " |
| 13:29.34 | genr8_ | eat it |
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| 13:29.42 | genr8_ | it all turns into 1 thing in the end. shit. |
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| 13:29.59 | icypee | So what should I do now? |
| 13:30.00 | joepublic | much like your sid. |
| 13:30.10 | ratrace | the worst part here is LYING about what you did to your system when you ask for help....... that's just..... wow. |
| 13:30.41 | icypee | Should I just reinstall Debian? |
| 13:30.44 | joepublic | I have had corporation presidents, school principals, etc. lie to me about what they did to their system and expect help. Why not randoms? |
| 13:30.52 | ratrace | icypee: I'd back up data and reinstall Stable anew, and NOT frankendebian it again |
| 13:31.08 | icypee | How do I do that? |
| 13:31.24 | icypee | What are the steps I should take? |
| 13:31.40 | genr8_ | how much do you like your broken system ? |
| 13:31.42 | ratrace | is there any user data in there? did you fresh install it and mess it up in the process, or do you have stuff in ~/ ? |
| 13:32.27 | icypee | I don't remember |
| 13:32.36 | icypee | Its been so long |
| 13:32.39 | genr8_ | then you wont miss it. |
| 13:32.45 | genr8_ | its time to declare it a total loss |
| 13:32.56 | icypee | So just reinstall Debian? |
| 13:33.37 | ratrace | icypee: make a copy of ~/ at least somwhere first |
| 13:33.52 | icypee | I already did that |
| 13:34.03 | icypee | I have daily backups to my server |
| 13:34.09 | ratrace | then yes, plug in the netinst or dvd1 ISO, and reinstall |
| 13:34.31 | genr8_ | I would love there to be a better way, but I dont have one for you |
| 13:34.31 | icypee | Alright thanks |
| 13:34.42 | ratrace | icypee: and this time, if you really want a newer driver, use buster-backports repo and nvida driver 440.100 . I'm using that one n otherwise purely stable debian, no issues. |
| 13:35.02 | icypee | Is it alright if I use non free, |
| 13:35.05 | icypee | ? |
| 13:35.14 | genr8_ | good enough |
| 13:35.47 | genr8_ | non-free is kind of a political statement |
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| 13:36.54 | genr8_ | and its not like windows, you dont need the latest 456.55 driver |
| 13:37.19 | genr8_ | you need what works |
| 13:38.05 | icypee | Yeah |
| 13:38.19 | icypee | I might just pop my GT 240 in |
| 13:38.33 | icypee | Because im making a PC for my sister with the GT 730 |
| 13:39.15 | genr8_ | you could even use a 390 driver with that then i believe |
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| 13:39.32 | ratrace | or _have_ to use older driver for that |
| 13:40.15 | icypee | Oh ok |
| 13:41.38 | ratrace | yes, you'll need the 340 driver for gt240 |
| 13:42.35 | ratrace | nvidia-legacy-340xx-driver package ; or maybe the libre nouveau would even work |
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| 13:43.00 | icypee | I remember on Ubuntu, noveau was just fine for the GT 240 |
| 13:43.00 | genr8_ | it "works" but... |
| 13:43.08 | icypee | So could I use that? |
| 13:43.17 | genr8_ | yes |
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| 13:44.59 | genr8_ | my mentality is start with nouveau, if its fine then stick with it, if not and you notice an issue, switch to non-free and if it fixes the issue then stick with that. if it does nothing then go back to nouveau |
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| 13:48.18 | icypee | Whats a good benchmark for noveau |
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| 13:49.10 | nan0|2 | hey, did you guys notice the ##windows channel? That's new, right? |
| 13:49.39 | genr8_ | no? |
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| 13:54.34 | icypee | Also |
| 13:54.51 | icypee | I want to switch gnome on my laptop with Intel integrated graphics |
| 13:55.00 | icypee | I should be fine there, right? |
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| 13:58.06 | ratrace | icypee: in general, yes |
| 13:58.35 | NetTerminalGene | i use intel gpu without any problem |
| 13:59.00 | NetTerminalGene | videos are tearing on X11 though |
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| 14:03.37 | recyclehero | Hi old distro |
| 14:03.45 | recyclehero | new distro is Gentoo |
| 14:03.53 | recyclehero | but still love debian |
| 14:03.59 | recyclehero | hate ubuntu :d |
| 14:04.03 | recyclehero | guys |
| 14:04.22 | recyclehero | deploying openstack with kolla-ansible |
| 14:04.45 | recyclehero | I have chosen both the target hosts and docker container images as debian |
| 14:05.24 | recyclehero | they somewhere claim chose ubuntu or centos eheheheh if you are a newcomer |
| 14:05.27 | recyclehero | anyway |
| 14:05.39 | recyclehero | somewhere in one of ansbile playbooks |
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| 14:06.04 | recyclehero | - name: Set firewall default policy |
| 14:06.34 | recyclehero | and as debian dont have ufw it becomes red but it skips |
| 14:06.49 | genr8_ | install ufw then |
| 14:07.06 | recyclehero | I was wondering if there is something I should do myself |
| 14:07.23 | recyclehero | genr8_: Check if firewalld is installed |
| 14:07.36 | recyclehero | Disable firewalld |
| 14:07.56 | recyclehero | it disables it. is there anything I should do then? |
| 14:07.59 | genr8_ | you can install that too |
| 14:08.00 | genr8_ | no |
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| 14:09.02 | recyclehero | my mistake those firewalld was for os family redhat |
| 14:09.05 | recyclehero | it do it in one task |
| 14:09.34 | recyclehero | set default policy , state disabled, policy allow |
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| 14:11.06 | ratrace | so what's the actual question here |
| 14:17.05 | recyclehero | ratrace: should I do anything sth equiv to disable ufw in debian? |
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| 14:21.12 | recyclehero | I have more of this equivilant type Qs |
| 14:21.39 | recyclehero | was wondering whats apparmor and whether debian has it? |
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| 14:23.35 | recyclehero | there is an ansible playbook which remove apparmor profile from libvirtd, IS IT RELEVANT TO DEBIAN? |
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| 14:25.29 | ratrace | recyclehero: uwf is not installed by default on debian. apparmor is similar to selinux and debian has it, not much policies tho, you must write your own. |
| 14:26.19 | ratrace | afaik there aren't any libvirt related profiles installed by apparmor-profiles{-extra} packages |
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| 14:27.20 | recyclehero | ratrace: thank u, libvirtd is the part that I am doing all this backtracing so I should be more careful |
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| 14:47.59 | Lope | I want to update manually and don't want this crap bothering me |
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| 15:05.23 | ratrace | Lope: packagekit is some sort of backend-agnostic gui thingy used by kde and gnome and it shouldn't break your system if you remove it, no |
| 15:06.02 | somiaj | though one would think you could just disable the notifications (if you still wanted to use the gui apckage manager) |
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| 15:06.49 | ratrace | partially. packagekit would periodically update or whatever and you could hit the lock if you're trying to use apt at the same time |
| 15:07.24 | ratrace | at least that used to be the case, dunno if it improved lately |
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| 15:25.02 | icypee | uhhh i got gnome installed but now when remove firefox-esr, it reinstalls firefox |
| 15:25.16 | icypee | and when i remove firefox, it reinstalls firefox-esr |
| 15:25.18 | somiaj | icypee: most likely you have some very large meta package installed |
| 15:25.28 | greycat | ... like gnome |
| 15:25.30 | somiaj | also are you running testing? firefox is not in stable |
| 15:25.31 | icypee | how do i check if i have that? |
| 15:25.35 | Haohmaru | eww, gnome |
| 15:25.52 | somiaj | I think you'll have to install something like gnome-core and remove the meta package that keeps wanting firefox back in |
| 15:25.55 | somiaj | !install gnome |
| 15:25.56 | dpkg | To install GNOME: «apt-get install …» 1. 'task-gnome-desktop' (Debian installer default) 2. 'gnome' (recommended) 3. 'gnome-desktop-environment' (upstream GNOME) 4. 'gnome-core' (like 3, minus end-user applications) 5. 'gnome-session gdm3 network-manager-gnome' (minimalist, not recommended). You will need Xorg installed as well, ask me about <install x>. https://wiki.debian.org/Gnome |
| 15:26.11 | somiaj | icypee: so probably remove the 'gnome' package and install 'gnome-core' |
| 15:26.41 | icypee | but i already have gnome-core installed |
| 15:27.02 | Haohmaru | what about "gnome" |
| 15:27.02 | greycat | then you have less work to do |
| 15:27.07 | somiaj | then just remove the gnome package (And make sure gnome-core is marked as manual -- installing it (even if it is installed) will do that, there is also apt-mark |
| 15:27.26 | somiaj | icypee: also what version of debian are you running? |
| 15:27.32 | icypee | buster |
| 15:27.34 | icypee | Package 'gnome' is not installed, so not removed |
| 15:27.52 | somiaj | where are you getting firefox from then, firefox isn't in buster. |
| 15:28.03 | greycat | "aptitude why firefox-esr" might help too, to tell you which metapackage is "holding" it in |
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| 15:29.13 | AppleGNU | How is Firefox not in Buster? I just X11 forwarded that from my Debian machine yesterday. |
| 15:29.21 | greycat | only firefox-esr is in stable |
| 15:29.26 | somiaj | AppleGNU: firefox-esr is, firefox isn't |
| 15:29.30 | AppleGNU | ah. might be. |
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| 15:29.49 | icypee | apt why firefox-esr dosen't work |
| 15:29.49 | apt | why not? |
| 15:30.01 | Haohmaru | aptitude, not apt |
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| 15:30.04 | greycat | I did not say "apt why". |
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| 15:30.30 | icypee | ohhhh |
| 15:30.44 | icypee | it says aptitude not found now |
| 15:30.47 | Haohmaru | aptitude is kinda sorta maybe like a textmode synaptic? |
| 15:31.04 | greycat | either install aptitude, or ignore that suggestion and figure it out on your own |
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| 15:31.36 | icypee | thanks |
| 15:31.49 | somiaj | Haohmaru: that is a poor analogy, aptitude does have a curses interface, but it is also a command line interface too. |
| 15:32.35 | Haohmaru | okay, textmode-friendly, TUI/commandline hybrid between synaptic/apt .. <- this better? |
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| 15:33.06 | Haohmaru | probably with better reputation than synaptic too |
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| 15:34.14 | AppleGNU | Is Aptitude still the best tool at escaping dependency hells? |
| 15:34.15 | icypee | i gnome-core Depends firefox-esr (>= 30) | firefox (>= 30) | chromium | chromi um-browser | epiphany-browser |
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| 15:34.32 | icypee | so what do i remove now? |
| 15:34.41 | greycat | OK, there you go. If you want to remove firefox-esr, you will have to remove gnome-core, or provide it with one of those other browsers. |
| 15:34.50 | icypee | ohhh ok |
| 15:34.56 | icypee | i'll install ungoogled chromium |
| 15:35.17 | somiaj | icypee: you could also just keep firefox-esr installed and not use it, it will only take up disk space. |
| 15:35.28 | somiaj | icypee: also you never answered my question, where were you getting the 'firefox' package? |
| 15:35.42 | icypee | why was i installing it? |
| 15:35.52 | greycat | The continued refusal to answer that question tells me they're lying. |
| 15:36.03 | somiaj | no where were you getting the package 'firefox' that you kept saying was being installed |
| 15:36.29 | diogenes_ | what? gnome now links firefox as a dependency? |
| 15:36.31 | icypee | i think it was because i enabled the unstable repo |
| 15:36.39 | Haohmaru | aww |
| 15:36.39 | greycat | TADA |
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| 15:36.46 | somiaj | icypee: so you aren't running buster like you said... |
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| 15:37.12 | AppleGNU | lmao |
| 15:37.14 | icypee | oh shit |
| 15:37.21 | icypee | i got it mixed up with my desktop |
| 15:37.26 | icypee | which is running buster |
| 15:37.29 | icypee | i'm so sorry |
| 15:37.35 | Haohmaru | <excuses.txt> |
| 15:37.39 | AppleGNU | hahahaha |
| 15:37.43 | AppleGNU | without fail |
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| 15:38.11 | icypee | no i mean it |
| 15:38.13 | somiaj | though this particular issue isn't an unstable issue, but #debian-next on irf.ofct.net for testing/unstable support, and in this case you either need to just keep some browser installed so gnome-core is satsified, or read what the bot said and install some of the more minimial packages (which it doens't reocmmend) |
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| 15:38.37 | icypee | ohhhh i'm sorry i'll do that next time |
| 15:38.59 | Haohmaru | * irc.oftc.net |
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| 15:39.56 | icypee | i guess i'm really dumb when it comes to linux |
| 15:40.07 | Haohmaru | who isn't |
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| 15:40.15 | AppleGNU | Everyone is at various junctures. |
| 15:40.39 | Haohmaru | technology successifully makes humans feel dumb |
| 15:40.56 | AppleGNU | I got booted from server access by accidentally directing my torrent downloads over there. |
| 15:41.03 | AppleGNU | It was embarassing |
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| 15:44.35 | icypee | ummm i installed ungoogled chromium and firefox still won't uninstall |
| 15:44.42 | icypee | should i just leave firefox there? |
| 15:44.51 | icypee | and set ungoogled chromium as default |
| 15:44.53 | Haohmaru | this ain't oftc btw |
| 15:45.25 | joepublic | iirc, gnome-core Depends firefox-esr (>= 30) | firefox (>= 30) | chromium | chromium-browser | epiphany-browser |
| 15:45.39 | joepublic | you installed one of those packages? |
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| 15:45.47 | joepublic | because that's sounding like a "no" |
| 15:45.51 | icypee | i installed ungoogled chromium, does that count? |
| 15:46.02 | Haohmaru | icypee how is the package called? |
| 15:46.14 | icypee | for ungoogled chromium? |
| 15:46.16 | Haohmaru | package names usually don't/can't have white spaces in them |
| 15:46.19 | joepublic | some random thing? no, doesn't count |
| 15:46.38 | joepublic | this is not an essay question, it's a binary yes/no, you installed one of those packages, or you didn't |
| 15:46.41 | icypee | i installed ungoogled-chromium i meant |
| 15:46.45 | icypee | no i didn't then |
| 15:46.48 | greycat | wtf is THAT |
| 15:46.56 | joepublic | okay. found your problem then. |
| 15:47.03 | AppleGNU | ungoogled-chromium is a de-googled chromium browser |
| 15:47.11 | Haohmaru | how dafuq can you "ungoogle" a google browz0r |
| 15:47.12 | greycat | AppleGNU: FROM WHERE |
| 15:47.17 | AppleGNU | not in any of Debian's repositories |
| 15:47.36 | Haohmaru | someone has been naughty with teh internetz |
| 15:47.38 | icypee | ohhhhh |
| 15:47.39 | AppleGNU | Haohmaru: It's unattached from Google search and services. |
| 15:47.48 | icypee | i can always just keep firefox, right? |
| 15:47.49 | Haohmaru | downloading $random things |
| 15:48.15 | greycat | how can a Unix user look at "gnome-core Depends firefox-esr (>= 30) | firefox (>= 30) | chromium | chromium-browser | epiphany-browser" and think "derp, I will install a random browser from a THIRD PARTY REPOSITORY with a DIFFERENT NAME that is NOT IN THE LIST and it should work" |
| 15:48.18 | Haohmaru | AppleGNU i'm SOOOOO skeptical about that ;P~ |
| 15:48.29 | AppleGNU | Haohmaru: source code is available to audio tho |
| 15:48.37 | AppleGNU | s/audio/audit |
| 15:48.38 | AppleGNU | gah |
| 15:49.06 | Haohmaru | yeah, i've had enough google for a thousand lifetimes |
| 15:49.08 | n4dir | i tried it with dillo. Didn't work either. Weird. |
| 15:49.21 | greycat | I mean, you're a UNIX USER. You understand that the | symbol means "or". That this is a list of "a or b or c or d" and you have to have one of those things. Not q or x. |
| 15:50.10 | Haohmaru | * greycat is in redtiger mode |
| 15:50.18 | AppleGNU | I venture to say it isn't UNIX. "Unix" is debated, but not "UNIX". |
| 15:50.28 | greycat | It's Unix in ALL CAPS |
| 15:50.35 | joepublic | well put |
| 15:50.37 | Haohmaru | internet shouting |
| 15:50.40 | greycat | gonna debate me over the word USER next? |
| 15:50.55 | AppleGNU | UNIX is a registered trademark of the Open Group. |
| 15:51.08 | Haohmaru | AppleGNU SHOUTING ON IRC LOOKS LIKE THIS |
| 15:51.20 | AppleGNU | HI. I'M EXCITED TOO! |
| 15:51.41 | AppleGNU | I CAN BE FRIENDLY IN ALL-CAPS! ^__^ |
| 15:52.04 | Haohmaru | don't critique the redtiger ;P~ |
| 15:52.06 | joepublic | so you understand caps. that was not previously obvious. |
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| 16:13.56 | kristijonas | hello, my provider denies blocking outgoing 25 port on my account, offering me to check my iptables, which is: https://paste.debian.net/1165144/ |
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| 16:17.16 | ratrace | kristijonas: that's a plesk server? |
| 16:18.37 | another | your provider won't block traffic? what |
| 16:18.47 | kristijonas | ratrace, yea, plesk panel. |
| 16:18.50 | another | what's the problem here? |
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| 16:19.38 | kristijonas | "Thank you for contacting DigitalOcean support ! I confirm that there is no account level SMTP restriction in place on DigitalOcean platform for your account. So please configure the application to use the SMTP ports and make sure to allow those ports on DigitalOcean cloud firewall and software firewall such as IPTables or UFW, if configured." |
| 16:19.46 | kristijonas | another, can't send out mail. |
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| 16:21.07 | ratrace | kristijonas: according to that paste, it's not blocked. you should really check postfix logs for exact reason for "can't send out". also, using panels like plesk kinda makes it not really debian, as those panels take over a lot of functions with custom implementations |
| 16:22.26 | kristijonas | ratrace, alright, gonna check the log, one moment. |
| 16:22.47 | ratrace | I'm assuming that flags:!FIN,SYN,RST,ACK/SYN on line 52 means !(fin,syn,rst,ack/syn) I'm not 100% sure |
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| 16:23.41 | another | did you check their cloud firewall? |
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| 16:24.37 | kristijonas | another, i did, there was no firewall enabled for this specific droplet, but I enabled one allowing everything. |
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| 16:28.01 | tohoyn | ratrace: hello again |
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| 16:28.20 | ratrace | hi |
| 16:28.35 | tohoyn | ratrace: do you have any new ideas for the network? |
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| 16:30.07 | ratrace | tohoyn: well you never said if you can see the wireless iface in the output of `ip link`. also what nvz asked, whether you're missing firmware `dmesg | grep -i firmware` |
| 16:32.01 | ratrace | kristijonas: any news on that postfix log check? |
| 16:33.19 | kristijonas | ratrace, yea, i'm dumb. :D Plesk showed me that port 25 is blocked and I trusted it. but in fact mail went through. |
| 16:33.54 | ratrace | kristijonas: are you trying to configure your os around plesk? that's gonna cause issues |
| 16:33.56 | greycat | "port 25 is blocked" is highly ambiguous. Incoming? Outgoing? |
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| 16:34.16 | ratrace | greycat: outgoing, there's an iptables dump paste earlier |
| 16:34.44 | greycat | it's not clear to me that iptables has anything to do with plesk settings |
| 16:35.17 | ratrace | greycat: well there's a couple of fail2ban plesk chains, so I'm guessing plesk set all that up |
| 16:35.35 | ratrace | been a while since I used it, don't remember all the details |
| 16:35.36 | kristijonas | ratrace, nope, i installed on-click application with DigitalOcean. Plesk is quite comfortable to manage your domains: websites, email and so on. |
| 16:36.07 | ratrace | kristijonas: so that iptables dump is something plesk configured, right? |
| 16:36.38 | greycat | Oh, that reminds me. I managed to get TLS 1.3 working on nginx in stretch, but it was *so* much harder than it should've been. Apparently you have to compile nginx yourself with a special --option at configure time. |
| 16:36.38 | kristijonas | ratrace, yeah, they automatically install fail2ban |
| 16:37.04 | ratrace | kristijonas: yeah. |
| 16:37.07 | ratrace | greycat: _and_ openssl 1.1.1? |
| 16:37.30 | greycat | yes |
| 16:37.48 | greycat | I set up a stretch-i386 chroot on my local buster amd64 box and built stuff there. |
| 16:38.41 | ratrace | I'm thinking of installing nginx from their own deb repo. the version in buster has a bug with leaked descriptors in http2 |
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| 16:41.36 | ratrace | basically if you have http2 vhosts, the number of open connection FDs in nginx would steadily grow over time, but they're dead connections, don't match kernel's conntrack. there's more info somewhere on nginx trac, and I spotted in changelogs that it's supposedly fixed (again) in 1.17.7 |
| 16:43.10 | greycat | I'm not even sure what an http2 vhost *is*, pretty sure I don't have any, no output from "grep -ri http2 /etc/nginx". |
| 16:43.58 | nickotheus | greycat, Hyper Text Transfer Protocol 2 Virtual Host |
| 16:44.20 | nickotheus | Er, Hyper Terminal Transfer Protocol |
| 16:44.25 | nickotheus | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ |
| 16:44.26 | ratrace | greycat: a server stance with "http2" in the listen directive, which enables HTTP/2 |
| 16:44.35 | ratrace | nickotheus: hyper TEXT |
| 16:44.38 | greycat | I figured it would be something like that, yes.... |
| 16:44.44 | nickotheus | ratrace, thanks |
| 16:45.13 | nickotheus | ratrace, may as well be MLTP |
| 16:45.18 | ratrace | http/2 is otherwise nice. pipelined requests so basically one client opens 1 conn instead of 4 or more like browsers do |
| 16:46.07 | GNU\colossus | h/2 is a layering monstrosity. both the Web and the Internet are doomed. abandon ship! |
| 16:46.26 | ratrace | I guess you haven't seen http3 then :) |
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| 16:46.59 | ratrace | HTTP over UDP. yup. not kidding. |
| 16:47.02 | GNU\colossus | yeah, that's the final death knell. |
| 16:47.20 | ratrace | firewalls and DDoS vacuums of the world will rejoice! |
| 16:48.20 | nickotheus | GNU\colossus, penguin ice berg ahead! |
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| 16:55.14 | ratrace | Make Gopher Great Again! |
| 16:56.05 | n4dir | i had some hopes regarding gnunet, i2p and similar stuff. Not anymore, i guess. |
| 16:56.35 | n4dir | but sure more than for the web |
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| 17:34.01 | probo | i install debian 9 and want try it |
| 17:34.22 | probo | i have samll problem with blooetoth on kde plasma |
| 17:34.25 | PaddyF | why not debian 10? |
| 17:34.59 | probo | i can upgrade but help firt connect bluetoth mouse |
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| 17:35.31 | probo | i have instaled bluetoth bluez etc |
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| 17:35.54 | probo | but kde seeting not scanning for devices |
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| 17:37.58 | probo | sorry i have debian 10 |
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| 17:38.29 | greycat | probo: when in doubt, cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 17:39.32 | joepublic | some bluetooth devices do not work with only free software, requiring nonfree binary firmware. |
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| 17:40.39 | probo | this mouse workind on kde neon deepin ubuntu fedora opensuse openmandriva |
| 17:40.58 | probo | rfkill show only ID TYPE DEVICE SOFT HARD 0 wlan phy0 nieaktywna nieaktywna |
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| 17:41.12 | PaddyF | have you checked the debian wiki for this article already? https://wiki.debian.org/BluetoothUser |
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| 17:41.42 | probo | no only page about bluetoh install |
| 17:41.59 | PaddyF | thats not true |
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| 17:42.12 | probo | ok i read this page |
| 17:44.00 | probo | maybe i must modprobe driver for bluetooth? |
| 17:44.16 | probo | if rfkill dont see bluetooth devices? |
| 17:45.10 | probo | [bluetooth]# power on |
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| 17:58.30 | archaeopter | My debian seems to disconnect at random from ethernet for 2-10 seconds and it fucks up online gaming, help? :( |
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| 17:59.10 | ratrace | archaeopter: disconnects how, what's in the logs |
| 17:59.23 | archaeopter | where can i find them |
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| 17:59.49 | archaeopter | on kde it says wired connection (dis)connected |
| 17:59.54 | ratrace | archaeopter: probably kernel entries. journalctl -b -k , or tail /var/log/kernel.log |
| 17:59.55 | archaeopter | as popup |
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| 18:33.21 | archaeopter | kern.log? |
| 18:33.33 | archaeopter | ratrace |
| 18:34.04 | ratrace | archaeopter: ah, yes. |
| 18:35.13 | archaeopter | what should i look for? |
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| 18:36.07 | Shtl | I want to run one script_1 after network is up, and one more script_2 after network is down |
| 18:36.16 | Shtl | Can any one help me please? |
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| 18:37.44 | greycat | well, for the first, you can either use a post-up hook in your /e/n/i (if you're using /e/n/i), or you could write it as a systemd unit that has "After=network-online.target" |
| 18:37.49 | Brigo | Shtl, what are you using for network managing? |
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| 18:38.05 | ratrace | archaeopter: errors mentioning your ethernet iface |
| 18:38.09 | Brigo | greycat, if he is using networking file ... |
| 18:38.55 | ratrace | archaeopter: also check if firmware is missing, I remember some realtek cards would do that without firmware. dmesg | grep -i firmware and if that produces output stating firmware files were not found, you need them |
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| 18:39.43 | Shtl | Brigo: I was trying to put my scripts under /etc/network/if-*.d folders respectively |
| 18:39.54 | Shtl | but they are not working for me |
| 18:40.08 | Brigo | Shtl, are you configuring your interfaces in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 18:40.48 | Shtl | not interfaces, i have some iptables rules to set when network is up/down |
| 18:41.01 | greycat | if you aren't using /e/n/i then you can't use /e/n/*.d/ either |
| 18:41.21 | greycat | if you're using N-M or systemd to bring interfaces up, you have to configure things for that |
| 18:41.48 | Shtl | i am not using N-M |
| 18:41.55 | greycat | what ARE you using? |
| 18:42.01 | Shtl | systemd |
| 18:42.09 | greycat | then make a unit with After= |
| 18:42.23 | greycat | or read 7000 pages of systemd documentation to figure out what the "correct" method is |
| 18:42.24 | ratrace | :%s/unit/service unit/ |
| 18:43.12 | Shtl | yes i set that, i could run script after network is up, but not getting the one how to use it for netwrok down |
| 18:43.29 | greycat | good freakin' luck with that half! |
| 18:43.44 | greycat | I've never yet figured out how to do stuff at shutdown with systemd |
| 18:44.12 | Shtl | okay |
| 18:44.17 | ratrace | Before=shutdown.target duh :) |
| 18:44.57 | ratrace | that said, proper solution probably depends on what _Exactly_ you want to achieve on "network down" |
| 18:45.14 | Shtl | its not system shutdown though, but its when network is down |
| 18:45.25 | greycat | *sigh* |
| 18:45.28 | Shtl | meaning when the network disconnects |
| 18:45.35 | greycat | no, that is NOT what it means |
| 18:46.04 | greycat | if my ISP goes tits up, I do not expect the local interfaces to be brought down, or shutdown-ish things to be executed |
| 18:46.27 | greycat | I expect the ISP to start working again after a few seconds, or minutes |
| 18:47.03 | ratrace | Shtl: you can make a stricter dependency wiht PartOf= so a depedent service goes up and down with the dependency |
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| 18:47.09 | greycat | likewise, if I were to yank out the ethernet cable, I would not expect shutdown-ish things to occur. I would expect it to sit there mute and in pain until the cable is replaced. |
| 18:47.57 | ratrace | that too, hence me asking what exactly must happen on "network down" |
| 18:48.22 | ratrace | a "network down" trigger could be a periodic ping that suddenly returns packet loss or something, for example |
| 18:48.46 | Shtl | ok |
| 18:54.10 | jhutchins | ratrace: If the network is down from the OS' view, it wouldn't ping. |
| 18:54.42 | archaeopter | ratrace firmware seems to be all complete, what should i look for in lgos |
| 18:54.44 | archaeopter | logs |
| 18:54.49 | ratrace | it could happen even if the network is up from the OS view, but no pings go through |
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| 18:55.06 | ratrace | thus, it depends on definition of "down" and what exactly must happen |
| 18:55.24 | ratrace | archaeopter: errors mentioning your ethernet iface |
| 18:55.58 | archaeopter | whats best terminal editor to copy paste from? |
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| 18:56.08 | archaeopter | *the best |
| 18:56.10 | afidegnum | hi, please how do i diagnose this error ? curl: (35) OpenSSL SSL_connect: SSL_ERROR_SYSCALL in connection to isodec.org:443 |
| 18:56.42 | ratrace | archaeopter: pretty much any can copy text for you to paste somwhere. you can also use pastebinit or pipe through netcat to termbin.com 9999 |
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| 18:58.39 | ratrace | afidegnum: what's the curl line you're using? |
| 19:02.01 | afidegnum | curl -L |
| 19:02.15 | afidegnum | curl -L https://isodec.org |
| 19:02.34 | afidegnum | on my debian server i have added ssl via certbot. |
| 19:02.46 | afidegnum | i started having this error when i used cloudflare's ssl |
| 19:02.59 | ratrace | afidegnum: is there a proxy setup there somewhere? |
| 19:03.34 | ratrace | I tried to google the error and it's a variety of possibilities, but they seem to suggest an issue with a proxy |
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| 19:04.48 | ratrace | you can try testing the ssl handshake openssl s_client -servername isodec.org -connect isodec.org:443 |
| 19:05.08 | ratrace | (ctrl-c to break it when the output stops) |
| 19:05.10 | afidegnum | i haven't setup a proxy, while using cloudflare, the redirection is being proxied but i have disabled it |
| 19:06.13 | afidegnum | this is what i've got https://dpaste.org/WOC3 |
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| 19:07.35 | ratrace | sounds like broken SSL. welcome to cloudflare. |
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| 19:08.19 | afidegnum | ratrace: no, this is direct to the server now, not cloudflare |
| 19:09.00 | ratrace | then ssl is broken on that server |
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| 19:10.08 | afidegnum | how do i diagnose it ? |
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| 19:12.03 | ratrace | I don't know, from client side. except to check 100% you're connecting to the server directly, by IP, and not still via cloudflare |
| 19:12.13 | ratrace | do you control the server? |
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| 19:12.41 | afidegnum | i'm on my server now |
| 19:12.59 | ratrace | does that mean isodec.org is your server? |
| 19:13.37 | afidegnum | yes, pointing to my server |
| 19:13.49 | afidegnum | i mean i have sshed into it |
| 19:13.54 | ratrace | which web server software? check its error log to see if it complains about the TLS handshake |
| 19:14.17 | afidegnum | i was expecting something like openssl, but nothing of that sort, inside /var/log |
| 19:15.13 | ratrace | because it's the web server that listens on port 443 and it's its error log to check --- assuming that part is correct, there _is_ a web server listening on port 443 |
| 19:16.07 | afidegnum | yes, i have configured it to listen to port 443 |
| 19:16.12 | afidegnum | using ajenti |
| 19:16.51 | ratrace | that web server is completely unknown to me. you'll have to check if it has an error log, where it is, and how to make it verbose, if there are any verbosity settings for tls handshakes in particular |
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| 19:17.52 | ratrace | also make sure that the configuration is reasonable, it listens on port 443, supports modern ciphers, TLS 1.2 at least, and offers a proper certificate chain |
| 19:18.28 | afidegnum | i'm using nginx |
| 19:19.02 | afidegnum | ironically, i can't find anything inside the domain's logs, i can't even locate openssl logs, |
| 19:19.48 | ratrace | check nginx error log, most likely /var/log/nginx/error.log |
| 19:19.57 | afidegnum | ok |
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| 19:20.52 | dubiago | are more people using nginx these days than apache? i just started using nginx, myself. i do like the configuration file format better, but it doesn't seem to have really bought me much anything beyond that (in my use case). |
| 19:20.57 | ratrace | afidegnum: also make sure the log level in nginx.conf is at least warn: error_log /var/log/nginx/error.log warn; |
| 19:21.22 | afidegnum | ok |
| 19:21.25 | ratrace | dubiago: netcraft confirms it! :) https://news.netcraft.com/ |
| 19:22.18 | dubiago | wow...apache really has fallen from grace. |
| 19:22.37 | dubiago | but, iirc, nginx is more proprietary than apache? |
| 19:23.13 | greycat | huh? |
| 19:23.38 | ratrace | well, nginx has commercial license and version. apache doesn't |
| 19:23.45 | ratrace | nginx *also has |
| 19:24.01 | ratrace | and sadly some juicy options I'd like to have are in the commercial version :( |
| 19:24.08 | greycat | the version of nginx in Debian claims to be under BSD 2-clause and 3-clause licenses |
| 19:24.11 | ratrace | so much so that I was really contemplating switching to apache |
| 19:24.28 | dubiago | well, at least so far, my use case hasn't seen any need to switch back. |
| 19:24.35 | ratrace | greycat: right that's the "community edition" |
| 19:25.15 | dubiago | Heh. IIS had a little renaissance there for a couple years. |
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| 19:37.44 | ratrace | dubiago: if you read the news, turns out that renaiisance was due to a LOT of (otherwise inactive) domains switching hosting to some providers that used IIS |
| 19:38.10 | ratrace | well... good part of it anyway. |
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| 19:39.39 | dubiago | i've always rolled my own. at least when i started hosting my own stuff, the best route was apache. i was vaguely aware of nginx, and didn't really give it a thought until i decided to give hosting a Mastodon instance a go. |
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| 19:42.47 | ratrace | I switched to nginx many years ago, Apache didn't have event mpm then, and php was only runnable via mod_php. that was era of 128MB or less VMs so every byte shaved counted. |
| 19:43.13 | ratrace | nginx and its extremely small footprint due to event based processing was a godsend. and I stuck with it ever since. "if it ain't broken, don't fix it" an' all that. |
| 19:43.40 | greycat | my case is similar, albeit 3x that much memory |
| 19:43.46 | ratrace | actually, wait, I switched to lighttpd first. then nginx came out and I tried it out, loved it, stayed with it. |
| 19:44.11 | dubiago | configuration is awesome. JSON, essentially. |
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| 19:45.16 | ratrace | I read the c10k article about that time and decided I might try to write my own web server, for fun. FuryWS it was called. epoll based. then I learned of lighttpd and later nginx, so thta project died. |
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| 19:46.33 | dubiago | friend of mine seems to think Java is the reason Apache kind of tailed off there. |
| 19:47.56 | nickotheus | dubiago, tell them that cobol is the reason IBM kind of tailed off there |
| 19:48.24 | dubiago | heh |
| 19:51.53 | dubiago | the only thing that keeps IIS afloat is state/federal government usage, I think. there are certainly MS fanbois out there, i'm sure, but those two entities are definitely a rather large contingent. |
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| 19:58.30 | jhutchins | Apache was what sold me on Linux. I saw it compared to 90's IIS and thought "this is the right way to do it". |
| 20:00.28 | dubiago | I certainly couldn't argue with price, when hosting personal stuff ;) |
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| 20:44.46 | Emil | Hey |
| 20:45.03 | Emil | So dmesg tells me that a flash drive is (correctly) 16GB in size |
| 20:45.39 | Emil | but dd etc tools only manage to write about 8 gigs :D additionally even after zeroing the drive mounts show up from it |
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| 20:46.41 | Emil | so whattheheckisgoingon :D |
| 20:46.46 | ratrace | it's not uncommon for flash drives to die in that specific way, parts of it becoming unavailable, reducing in effective size |
| 20:48.07 | Emil | ratrace: is it possible to redefine the size? |
| 20:48.24 | greycat | I'm not sure what part of "die" you misunderstood. |
| 20:48.39 | Emil | well since mounts pop up it's not dead dead |
| 20:48.57 | Emil | And linux manages to read data from it ":D" |
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| 20:49.44 | Poster | I think what they're getting at is that is probably on it's way out |
| 20:50.03 | ratrace | Emil: but from the accessible 8GB only, yes? you can pastebin any errors shown in dmesg, but in my experience, when that starts to happen, the drive is not far from going belly up completely |
| 20:50.13 | Poster | somewhat analogous to a mechanical disk developing bad sectors |
| 20:50.28 | Emil | there are no erros in dmesg |
| 20:51.53 | jhutchins | Emil: Don't know what you did to "zero it out", but it sounds like it's reading an old partition table. If you have a different OS available, you could try reading/writing/formating with that, but it's unlikely to help. |
| 20:52.40 | jhutchins | Emil: Drives have a metadata block that says something like "I'm a Toshiba 16G Baracuda dri |
| 20:52.43 | jhutchins | vv |
| 20:52.45 | jhutchins | ve |
| 20:52.46 | jhutchins | . |
| 20:52.47 | ratrace | they're not guaranteed to show. the flash controller could simply give up trying to map to parts it deems beyond rescue. and to expand on what jhutchins said, you can try dd the drive itself, no partitions on it, eg /dev/sdx |
| 20:53.19 | jhutchins | Emil: We presume you're trying to write a boot/install image to it. |
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| 20:53.56 | Emil | I tried zeroing it with sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=8M conv=fdatasync oflag=sync status=progress |
| 20:54.02 | Emil | jhutchins: yeah that's correct |
| 20:54.41 | Emil | jhutchins: why would I need a different OS if I'm trying to modify my flash drive? |
| 20:54.58 | Emil | but yeah might be that it's just doing |
| 20:55.01 | Emil | dying* |
| 20:55.05 | ratrace | sda? what are you booting off from, sdb? careful with those letters. |
| 20:55.15 | jhutchins | Emil: Because other OSs access the device differently, and sometimes get around a corrupted drive. |
| 20:55.21 | Emil | ratrace: /dev/nvme0n1p2 |
| 20:55.30 | ratrace | ah, yes, nvme. |
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| 20:56.29 | srged | How do I activate suspend on idle |
| 20:56.31 | srged | ? |
| 20:56.33 | Emil | https://superuser.com/questions/917206/nuke-thumbdrive-and-set-gptpartition says that the OS might prevent me from nuking the device |
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| 20:57.59 | ratrace | srged: usually through power options of whatever desktop environment you're using. there are also IdleAction= and IdleActionSec= options of /etc/systemd/logind.conf |
| 20:58.42 | srged | ratrace: im lxde |
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| 20:59.06 | ratrace | Emil: also, GPT has backup sectors, so nuking just first 512 bytes might not be sufficient to erase the partition table |
| 21:03.05 | Emil | hmm how can I find out where the automount gets it data? |
| 21:03.39 | Emil | like if I connect the device it lists /media/emil/CDROM/ |
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| 21:06.07 | icypee | hey i installed the nvidia legacy 340 drivers and now when i boot into gnome it gives me "oh no! something has gone wrong." |
| 21:06.21 | icypee | and when i go into the tty |
| 21:06.32 | icypee | my monitor turns off |
| 21:06.54 | ratrace | icypee: that same machine that greyscreened with 450? |
| 21:07.23 | icypee | yeah except i'm using a gt 240 this time |
| 21:07.29 | jhutchins | Emil: That's done by your desktop software (gnome). |
| 21:07.40 | ratrace | icypee: did you reinstall Debian Stable fully anew? |
| 21:07.45 | icypee | mhm |
| 21:07.53 | ratrace | you don't sound convincing :)) |
| 21:08.00 | Emil | jhutchins: sure, kde, I suppose I'll ask there where the config is located |
| 21:08.15 | Emil | eeeh, it's disabled :D |
| 21:08.19 | icypee | i installed debian buster then i upgraded it to debian unstable but that's all i did |
| 21:08.45 | ratrace | icypee: at this point i'd recommend try another DE, like xcfce. GNOME requires a plethora of hw accelerated OpenGL functions. could be 340's libgl is not cutting it |
| 21:08.56 | ratrace | icypee: oh again you went sid.... |
| 21:09.01 | greycat | icypee: if your nvidia driver uses a DKMS kernel module, make sure you install the kernel headers that match whatever kernel you're running |
| 21:09.06 | jhutchins | ratrace: Except he can't use the console. |
| 21:09.08 | ratrace | sid's for users that can fix such problems on their own. do yourself a favor.... |
| 21:09.17 | greycat | also that. |
| 21:09.22 | icypee | yeah i can't go into the console |
| 21:09.28 | ratrace | jhutchins: they can reboot into text mode and install xfce |
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| 21:09.38 | ratrace | systemd.unit=multi-user.target in the kernel command line |
| 21:09.40 | icypee | ohhh should i just do that then? |
| 21:09.46 | greycat | jhutchins: I'm not convinced his explanation matches facts |
| 21:09.47 | ratrace | (via grub menu) |
| 21:09.51 | jhutchins | icypee: Worth a try. |
| 21:10.09 | jhutchins | greycat: ack. |
| 21:10.45 | ratrace | icypee: definitely make sure that nvidia actually built for the kernel you're using. in my experience, kernel upgrades required full reboot for nvidia to build properly, not sure why. |
| 21:11.01 | icypee | so when i'm in grub, press c and then type in systemd.unit=multi-user.target ? |
| 21:11.05 | ratrace | (reboot into upgraded kernel first) |
| 21:11.19 | greycat | I think it's "e" to edit the line, not "c". |
| 21:11.22 | ratrace | icypee: press e, then use arrows to find linux /vmlinuz.... line, then add that systemd thingy at the end, hit F10 to continue |
| 21:11.26 | jhutchins | ratrace: Seems like I've had to reboot to the new kernel, then reboot to get dkms to build a couple of times (2 reboots). |
| 21:11.29 | icypee | ok thanks |
| 21:11.46 | jhutchins | icypee: While you're in text mode you might look at the logs too. |
| 21:11.54 | ratrace | jhutchins: possible. I never investigated why's that. dkms is supposed to build for all kernels detected on the system |
| 21:12.35 | jhutchins | That seems inneficient. |
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| 21:13.05 | greycat | not as inefficient as the system failing to work when you boot the other kernel |
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| 21:14.19 | ratrace | jhutchins: but that's how it works. my pet peeve when I'm building zfs on my hosting company's rescue system which has, for some reason, four (4!) kernels present |
| 21:14.44 | sney | I've never had that experience with dkms. knock wood, I guess |
| 21:14.54 | sney | building nvidia and zfs every time there's a new kernel |
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| 21:19.49 | icypee | what do i do once i'm in text mode? |
| 21:21.04 | greycat | fix the problems that you discovered |
| 21:22.24 | ratrace | icypee: frankly.... I'd just reinstall Stable and _stay_ on stable. use buster-backports if you really need something newer and it's in backports. |
| 21:23.04 | icypee | alright |
| 21:23.07 | icypee | if i can't fix it |
| 21:23.10 | icypee | i'll do that |
| 21:23.19 | dvs | !ratrace++ |
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| 21:23.55 | icypee | ohhhh i'm dumb |
| 21:24.01 | icypee | i forgot to install kernel headers |
| 21:24.17 | greycat | 17:09 greycat> icypee: if your nvidia driver uses a DKMS kernel module, make sure you install the kernel headers that match whatever kernel you're running |
| 21:24.31 | icypee | yeah i forgot about that |
| 21:24.36 | ratrace | technically, they nvidia-driver packages should've pulled in the headers |
| 21:24.50 | icypee | wait |
| 21:25.07 | ratrace | but you bumped to sid, so gods know what kind of frankenmoster you really have there |
| 21:25.08 | icypee | it says linux-headers-amd64 is already the latest version |
| 21:25.29 | greycat | apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
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| 21:26.54 | icypee | says the same thing if i enter that in |
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| 21:30.19 | n4dir | i don't think sid is what is called a frankendebian. |
| 21:30.30 | greycat | if it's *actually* sid, then no... |
| 21:30.59 | ratrace | icypee: maybe this will help then: https://askubuntu.com/questions/53364/command-to-rebuild-all-dkms-modules-for-all-installed-kernels |
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| 21:34.05 | icypee | it says there's no such file or directory for /var/lib/initramfs-tools |
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| 21:34.44 | greycat | maybe your *real* problem is that your /var or root file system got corrupted and chunks are missing? |
| 21:34.58 | icypee | ohhhhhh |
| 21:35.06 | icypee | how could that happen? |
| 21:35.09 | greycat | or somehow /var didn't mount? |
| 21:35.14 | dvs | or it's full |
| 21:35.15 | greycat | (assuming /var is a separate file system) |
| 21:35.36 | icypee | i can cd into var |
| 21:36.07 | greycat | we can't handhold you through every single step of "how do I learn to be a unix sysadmin" |
| 21:36.17 | greycat | if you're running unstable, you should have a firm grasp of the basics |
| 21:36.47 | greycat | things like "where do I look for errors", "what commands do I run when I see __ problem" |
| 21:37.10 | icypee | maybe i should just reinstall and stay on buster |
| 21:37.35 | ratrace | yup. |
| 21:37.54 | dvs | icypee: yes, unstable is for developers and people that are really well versed in Debian |
| 21:38.23 | icypee | ohhhh |
| 21:39.36 | icypee | is it safe to switch back to buster on my laptop? |
| 21:39.54 | jhutchins | icypee: If you're running Debian to enjoy tinkering with the computer, testing and/or sid are good. If you need the computer to do other things like work or writing, you want stable. |
| 21:40.02 | n4dir | you can't downgrade, if that is what you are asking. You will have to reinstall |
| 21:40.30 | icypee | so once you're on sid, you're on sid for good? |
| 21:40.39 | dvs | yes |
| 21:41.04 | n4dir | i think i heard one can set the sources.list to testing and then wait for quite a long while. But that is really hearsay |
| 21:41.35 | icypee | ehhhh |
| 21:41.43 | icypee | i'd rather reinstall at that point |
| 21:41.55 | ratrace | yup. |
| 21:41.55 | greycat | even that's not guaranteed to work, because sometimes a package is just plain *dropped* from debian or from testing, and if you have that, your copy won't be dropped |
| 21:41.56 | n4dir | yes, best choice, in my opinion (too) |
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| 21:46.41 | splinterz | hi |
| 21:46.49 | sney | hi |
| 21:47.13 | jhutchins | n4dir: They would have to rotate through the whole OS, and that doesn't seem likely. |
| 21:48.25 | n4dir | yeah, someone mentioned it once. I think reinstallation takes less than an hour, depending on what you go for, copying the config files, and you are done in a few. No need to wait months or more |
| 21:49.26 | n4dir | i agree with what you said a few minutes ago: if using sid, you usually do it "for the lulz", not if you want a system to work with |
| 21:49.42 | alex11 | or if you already know in great detail what you're doing and how to fix problems |
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| 21:50.10 | n4dir | would still suck if you are in the middle of some serious stuff and then run in problems which use your time |
| 21:50.17 | alex11 | correct |
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| 21:54.59 | ratrace | some split alright.... |
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| 21:57.24 | splinterz | 0:0 |
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| 22:04.14 | jadax | how do I install virtualbox-dkms on debian 10? |
| 22:05.11 | jadax | I don't have that package in apt repositories, even though I added this line to apt sources: |
| 22:05.11 | jadax | deb http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian buster contrib |
| 22:05.40 | greycat | if it's in that third-party repository, then you follow their instructions |
| 22:06.02 | jadax | I've followed these instructions: https://wiki.debian.org/VirtualBox#Installation |
| 22:06.26 | genr8_ | add the line , update, then install the package |
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| 22:07.07 | jadax | well, yeah, but I get this: E: Unable to locate package virtualbox-dkms |
| 22:07.13 | zykotick9 | After kernel update my zfs pool is not working. Debian stable using 4.19.0-10-amd64 everything works as expected - booting 4.19.0-11-amd64 kernel results in zfs module(s) not being loaded. Should I be running some dkms update process between kernel updates? What info would be useful to diagnose the issue? |
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| 22:07.53 | genr8_ | its just called virtualbox-6.1 |
| 22:08.04 | jadax | I have that package installed |
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| 22:08.15 | jadax | but my kernel still claims no module has been inserted |
| 22:08.28 | sney | zykotick9: check in /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/updates to see if the module was built. if it was, you may need to add it to the initramfs |
| 22:09.15 | jadax | # sudo /usr/lib/virtualbox/vboxdrv.sh status returns: VirtualBox kernel module is not loaded. |
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| 22:09.29 | splinterz | Normally you wouldn't have to install virtualbox-dkms , only dkms and virtualbox. |
| 22:09.33 | jadax | so vbox doesn't see appropriate module loaded (vboxdrv) |
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| 22:10.23 | jadax | should vboxdrv be somewhere under /lib/modules tree? |
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| 22:12.02 | sney | all kernel modules are under /lib/modules yes |
| 22:12.48 | jadax | I've got one, under misc/vboxdrv.ko |
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| 22:13.14 | jadax | but when I try to insert it, I get back "ERROR could not insert vboxdrv, exec format error" |
| 22:13.14 | sney | what happens if you load it directly with modprobe? |
| 22:13.19 | sney | ah. |
| 22:13.24 | sney | how big is that file? |
| 22:13.35 | jadax | [1229725.038519] module: x86/modules: Skipping invalid relocation target, existing value is nonzero for type 1, loc 00000000d713a76d, val ffffffffc0fe84cf |
| 22:13.37 | jadax | that's dmesg |
| 22:13.46 | zykotick9 | sney: I think might be onto something. in /lib/modules/4.19.0-11-amd64 (broken) there is no updates, there is in the working /lib/modules/4.19.0-10-amd64 and it has zfs related stuff. |
| 22:13.54 | jadax | 16M, sney |
| 22:13.54 | genr8_ | yours built wrong |
| 22:14.05 | sney | zykotick9: didn't build. |
| 22:14.10 | splinterz | user added to vboxusers group? |
| 22:14.22 | genr8_ | invalid relocation target is a serious compilation error |
| 22:14.45 | jadax | should I rebuild? |
| 22:15.13 | genr8_ | i guess youll have to ? |
| 22:15.15 | sney | zykotick9: make sure your kernel headers are installed for that 4.19.0-11 and 'dpkg-reconfigure zfs-dkms' will trigger the build, if it doesn't happen automatically |
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| 22:15.38 | jadax | building as root then |
| 22:15.40 | sney | jadax: that's the first thing to try. and keep an eye on the output, if it fails again it'll give you a log location |
| 22:17.06 | jadax | sney https://hastebin.com/cufuyocava.cs |
| 22:17.10 | jadax | I just built as root, same problem |
| 22:17.36 | sney | jadax: ok, now the dkms build log? |
| 22:17.40 | jadax | I am on UEFI platofrm |
| 22:17.47 | jadax | where do I find it? /var/log/dkms? |
| 22:18.24 | sney | maybe, I don't remember the location. usually when apt triggers a dkms build it prints the log location |
| 22:18.33 | jadax | I tried # cat /var/log/vbox* | less |
| 22:18.38 | jadax | but there's nothing useful there |
| 22:19.29 | sney | ah yes, /var/lib/dkms/(some subdirs)/make.log |
| 22:20.12 | genr8_ | virtualbox doesnt seem to make one there |
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| 22:20.41 | genr8_ | try /var/log/vbox-setup.log |
| 22:21.09 | jadax | no errors there |
| 22:21.14 | jadax | just few prints like 'building xyz' |
| 22:21.37 | genr8_ | do you have any reason to believe why your software installations would be weird ? |
| 22:22.18 | jadax | low / space |
| 22:22.21 | jadax | I've got 700MB left |
| 22:22.25 | jadax | just freeing up some more |
| 22:22.32 | jadax | but it's not 0% left either... so not sure |
| 22:22.37 | jmcnaught | jadax: does "apt policy linux-headers-$(uname -r)" say you have the headers for your kernel installed? |
| 22:22.47 | sney | low space could definitely do it. |
| 22:23.18 | jadax | jmcnaught that command says apt headers are installed for kernel 4.19.37-5 |
| 22:23.24 | jadax | but booted kernel is 4.19.0-5 |
| 22:23.26 | jadax | so that's off |
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| 22:23.59 | jadax | 4.19.0-5-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.19.37-5+deb10u2 (2019-08-08) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 22:24.01 | jadax | that's my uname -a |
| 22:24.03 | sney | that's just package version vs. kernel version |
| 22:24.06 | jadax | I guess it's the same one? |
| 22:24.09 | sney | yes |
| 22:24.30 | jadax | ok, I've got 6GB free now under / |
| 22:24.54 | zykotick9 | sney: I'm now rebooting to test, but my money would be on you fixing my issue. Thanks, in advance! |
| 22:24.58 | jadax | rebuilding as root |
| 22:25.08 | sney | zykotick9: np |
| 22:25.17 | jadax | same problem |
| 22:25.38 | jadax | There were problems setting up VirtualBox. To re-start the set-up process, run |
| 22:25.38 | jadax | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:25.38 | jadax | as root. If your system is using EFI Secure Boot you may need to sign the kernel modules (vboxdrv, vboxnetflt, vboxnetadp, vboxpci) before you can load them. Please see your Linux system's documentation for more information. |
| 22:25.53 | sney | jadax: just in case the vbox build script is stupid, could you delete vboxdrv.ko before triggering the rebuild? \ |
| 22:25.56 | jadax | do I need to sign these modules manually somehow? |
| 22:25.59 | jadax | I could, yeah |
| 22:26.01 | sney | are you using secure boot? |
| 22:26.06 | sney | it's not required in efi |
| 22:26.17 | genr8_ | jadax, thats very old |
| 22:26.34 | jadax | I think I am |
| 22:26.36 | genr8_ | the vbox6-1 likely is incompatible with such an old kernel |
| 22:26.45 | jadax | my kernel is old? |
| 22:26.59 | genr8_ | yes |
| 22:27.05 | genr8_ | thats 6 versions old by now |
| 22:27.06 | sney | buster is on 4.19.0-11 now, and backports has a 5.7 or 5.8 |
| 22:27.08 | genr8_ | over 1 year old |
| 22:27.19 | jadax | should I update kernel then and try again? |
| 22:27.26 | genr8_ | yes |
| 22:27.31 | genr8_ | and likely the entire system |
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| 22:27.40 | jadax | $ efivar -l shows EFI variables |
| 22:27.43 | sney | try deleting the module and building first, then check if you are using secure boot, and then go for the kernel upgrade |
| 22:27.45 | jadax | so I guess that means it's secure booted |
| 22:27.52 | genr8_ | no that doesnt mean that |
| 22:27.57 | sney | again, efi does not require secure boot. |
| 22:27.59 | jadax | tried deleting module and rebuilding, didn't help |
| 22:28.00 | genr8_ | EFI and secureboot are not the same |
| 22:28.10 | jadax | how do I verify if it's secure booted? |
| 22:28.10 | genr8_ | and that error wont present that message if that was the issue |
| 22:28.12 | jadax | cmdline ? |
| 22:28.21 | sney | just boot into your efi interface and look |
| 22:28.23 | genr8_ | mokutil --sb-state |
| 22:28.27 | splinterz | jadax: In bios |
| 22:28.41 | jadax | # mokutil --sb-state |
| 22:28.41 | jadax | SecureBoot disabled |
| 22:28.41 | jadax | Platform is in Setup Mode |
| 22:28.51 | sney | ok, kernel update time |
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| 22:29.11 | genr8_ | no idea what "platform is in setup mode" is , but thats still an unrelated message to "relocation error" |
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| 22:29.25 | sney | SB disabled should be the only one we care about |
| 22:29.34 | jadax | and that's wrong? should I enable SB? |
| 22:29.35 | genr8_ | no |
| 22:29.39 | genr8_ | you would see "Signature error module could not be verified, system is in secureboot, module taints kernel" or something |
| 22:29.43 | genr8_ | thats a red herring |
| 22:29.54 | zykotick9 | sney: success. Thanks again. zfs & kernel notes updated :) |
| 22:30.02 | sney | zykotick9: np, enjoy |
| 22:30.14 | jadax | I could update kernel if that helps |
| 22:30.19 | genr8_ | yes |
| 22:30.19 | sney | jadax: yes, update your kernel. |
| 22:30.20 | jadax | that would take me some 30min perhaps |
| 22:30.26 | genr8_ | oh boy |
| 22:30.30 | genr8_ | no wonder you dont update |
| 22:30.49 | sney | the joys of slow internet. maybe it's time for lunch? |
| 22:30.58 | genr8_ | you should update the entire system, especially the kernel and GCC |
| 22:31.27 | genr8_ | and libc6 |
| 22:31.36 | jadax | so which version should I update to? |
| 22:31.44 | genr8_ | the one that apt has new. |
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| 22:32.06 | sney | just make sure your sources.list is normal for buster, and apt update && apt upgrade |
| 22:32.31 | jadax | apt install linux-image-amd64 |
| 22:32.34 | jadax | that's what I'm going for then |
| 22:33.07 | jadax | looks like it already installed? |
| 22:33.08 | jadax | that was quick |
| 22:33.16 | sney | [16:32:06] <sney> just make sure your sources.list is normal for buster, and apt update && apt upgrade |
| 22:33.18 | genr8_ | have you never rebooted in a year ? |
| 22:33.21 | sney | checks to see if he is invisible |
| 22:33.35 | jadax | just about that |
| 22:33.39 | jadax | I like long uptimes |
| 22:33.43 | genr8_ | so reboot bruh |
| 22:33.52 | genr8_ | youve missed 6 kernels |
| 22:34.08 | jadax | I don't have to catch them all, do I ? |
| 22:34.12 | genr8_ | yes. |
| 22:34.30 | genr8_ | and rebooting should be the first thing you do when you have an abnormal system |
| 22:35.00 | jadax | debian doesn't let me down very often |
| 22:35.19 | genr8_ | that you know of |
| 22:36.07 | sney | stability and long uptimes are great, though you should reboot for point releases at least. and anything involving dkms will often require reboots anyway, so there's your choice |
| 22:36.46 | genr8_ | the issue is youve installed the newest kernel headers but then didnt reboot into the newest kernel |
| 22:36.53 | genr8_ | so its telling the module to build for something newer that doesnt exist |
| 22:37.08 | genr8_ | when you reboot, vbox driver most likely will already work and load |
| 22:37.23 | jadax | ok, rebooting |
| 22:37.29 | jadax | fingers crossed |
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| 22:39.48 | genr8_ | !reboot |
| 22:39.48 | dpkg | You want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about <qotd2>. |
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| 22:40.26 | genr8_ | guess that needs to be updated |
| 22:40.43 | sney | it is still a "new" kernel |
| 22:40.59 | genr8_ | i know, but it should give a call to action not a doubt, like "reboot for new kernels" |
| 22:41.03 | Emil | Hey |
| 22:41.33 | jadax | well, that worked, vboxdrv is loaded now |
| 22:41.35 | jadax | rebooted just fine |
| 22:41.39 | Emil | How could I find out what programs take size in live images? |
| 22:41.40 | jadax | only my uptime is ruined |
| 22:41.55 | sney | small price to pay for your software working properly |
| 22:42.07 | jadax | just kidding |
| 22:42.38 | Emil | Like debian netinst is like 390MB and the standard is 1.4GB |
| 22:42.43 | Emil | standard live* |
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| 22:43.27 | sney | well, the live image has a standard debian text-only OS on it, while the netinst just has some busybox stuff and glue to get packages installed from the internet |
| 22:44.03 | sney | for specific answers, I believe there's an image manifest on the mirrors somewhere. |
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| 22:46.42 | genr8_ | does it matter ? are you trying to re-build your own smaller live image or something? |
| 22:47.08 | genr8_ | the netinst isnt a live image, it only starts the installation |
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| 22:48.11 | Emil | genr8_: Yeah I'm interested in what's the cruft and what I could remove |
| 22:48.25 | genr8_ | its not cruft. its a different system |
| 22:49.02 | Emil | Well I mean there are seriously small linux images, and I doubt a functioning Debian installation requires that much more program to run |
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| 22:49.18 | genr8_ | theres a minimal image. |
| 22:49.21 | genr8_ | use that |
| 22:49.26 | Emil | genr8_: where? |
| 22:49.39 | Emil | You mean the netinst? |
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| 22:50.36 | genr8_ | https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-cd/debian-10.6.0-amd64-xfce-CD-1.iso <--695MB |
| 22:50.59 | genr8_ | again, netinst is not a liveCD. it downloads additional packages. |
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| 22:52.02 | Emil | interseting |
| 22:52.05 | Emil | interesting* |
| 22:52.18 | Emil | does the non free firmware package add that much more size? |
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| 22:54.19 | genr8_ | theres also this https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/debian-live-10.6.0-amd64-standard.iso <-- 921MB |
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| 22:57.00 | Emil | well anycase I'd like to find out what takes the space |
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| 22:57.17 | Emil | and potenially strip software I don't use or would install through apt if needed |
| 22:57.27 | genr8_ | https://cdimage.debian.org/images/unofficial/non-free/images-including-firmware/10.6.0-live+nonfree/amd64/iso-hybrid/debian-live-10.6.0-amd64-standard+nonfree.iso < -- 1.4GB so yes it does add a lot |
| 22:57.58 | genr8_ | you'll have to figure that out yourself |
| 22:58.23 | Emil | well I mean that's why I'm here on the Debian official irc channel :D |
| 22:58.53 | genr8_ | this is an unofficial channel anyway |
| 22:59.08 | Emil | ah, well I suppose the reason is to talk about Debian and so on |
| 22:59.25 | Emil | In the boot menu it has debian live with localisation support |
| 22:59.41 | Emil | does this mean translations? If I just want a finnish keyboard layout I can boot the standard one? |
| 23:00.04 | genr8_ | yes |
| 23:00.14 | Emil | Thank you |
| 23:04.18 | genr8_ | I dont know how to find the list of whats in them other than downloading them and looking |
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| 23:04.41 | genr8_ | i tried |
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| 23:05.25 | Emil | It seems no |
| 23:05.39 | Emil | ie I need to use the localised version |
| 23:06.30 | Emil | hmm still no, strange |
| 23:08.04 | Emil | and seems like block drawing characters are also broken... |
| 23:08.14 | Emil | not much of a live version it seems :D |
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| 23:13.48 | Emil | This is a pretty huge oversight |
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| 23:15.38 | Emil | OKay that was pretty stupid, I had to manually edit /etc/default/keyboard and then run setupcon |
| 23:18.24 | genr8_ | Looks like they have provisions for it. not sure what you did https://salsa.debian.org/live-team/live-config/-/blob/master/components/0150-keyboard-configuration |
| 23:19.39 | genr8_ | try #debian-live channel on irc.debian.org (OFTC).t |
| 23:20.53 | Emil | and now to fix these broken unicode line drawing characters... |
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| 23:22.26 | antto | with ASCII-glue |
| 23:24.40 | Emil | https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/303712/how-can-i-enable-utf-8-support-in-the-linux-console |
| 23:24.43 | Emil | this did the trick |
| 23:24.51 | Emil | absolutely ridiculous that Debian of all distros is broken like this :D |
| 23:25.35 | genr8_ | i think you are doing the wrong thing with the wrong thing |
| 23:26.08 | genr8_ | You sound like you're pretty advanced and have gotten into somewhere you shouldnt be for purposes other than what was intended |
| 23:26.27 | antto | dafuq ur doin, Emil |
| 23:27.18 | genr8_ | like you entered into the console before any packages were actually installed or something |
| 23:28.01 | genr8_ | What ISO are you in ? |
| 23:28.46 | Emil | genr8_: nah, I simply downloaded that 1.4GB non free firmware iso, burned it to a stick, booted it, selected finnish localisation |
| 23:28.52 | Emil | and was broken |
| 23:29.01 | Emil | sure the prompts were in Finnish, which I didn't want ":D" |
| 23:29.17 | Emil | genr8_: non free firmware standard live |
| 23:29.27 | antto | Emil, bruh, why would you not pick english |
| 23:29.49 | Emil | antto: bruh I did pick and want English, but my keyboard is Finnish :D |
| 23:30.00 | Emil | that's why I did what I mentioned above to get this thing working |
| 23:30.01 | antto | toss it out the window |
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| 23:30.27 | antto | i mean, sell it on ebay.fi |
| 23:31.32 | genr8_ | "Choose a language" and "Configure the keyboard" are two different options |
| 23:31.47 | antto | yeah |
| 23:31.52 | antto | language => english |
| 23:31.58 | antto | or else, suffer |
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| 23:33.53 | genr8_ | mine seems to be working |
| 23:33.58 | genr8_ | LANG=en_us.UTF8 |
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| 23:39.27 | genr8_ | either way, what does it matter, you were supposed to be using that for a list of packages. |
| 23:40.14 | genr8_ | https://termbin.com/0m3c |
| 23:41.18 | Emil | genr8_: that's not what users expect |
| 23:41.42 | Emil | genr8_: and no, that's a completely different thing I wanted to talk about because of slow internet |
| 23:42.09 | genr8_ | users tend to _install_ their debian, or pick a version thats 2.4GB and has a GUI |
| 23:42.54 | genr8_ | these packages seem to be coming out of "live-task-base" and "live-task-standard" and "live-task-recommended" and a few other ones. |
| 23:45.26 | genr8_ | and like I said, i just booted the same thing you did to the console and had no issue |
| 23:46.42 | genr8_ | oh im dumb I see the list of packages right here on the web |
| 23:46.49 | genr8_ | https://cdimage.debian.org/images/unofficial/non-free/images-including-firmware/10.6.0-live+nonfree/amd64/iso-hybrid/debian-live-10.6.0-amd64-standard+nonfree.packages |
| 23:47.11 | genr8_ | AND the livecd generation install log https://cdimage.debian.org/images/unofficial/non-free/images-including-firmware/10.6.0-live+nonfree/amd64/iso-hybrid/debian-live-10.6.0-amd64-standard+nonfree.log |
| 23:47.43 | genr8_ | i must be blind to have not seen these |
| 23:48.12 | genr8_ | instead of .iso its .packages and .log |
| 23:49.34 | genr8_ | something else called: https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/base_debs.list |
| 23:49.52 | genr8_ | which has "console-setup" and "keyboard-configuration" in it |
| 23:51.35 | ghormoon | hi, is there some tool to convert snap package to deb? or some manual way to not to have to install snap store for one package? |
| 23:55.11 | genr8_ | maybe you're right... if you pick Finnish, the UTF-8 doesnt display right, unless you run setupcon |
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| 23:58.06 | genr8_ | yeah this does seem bugged. |
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| 23:59.03 | genr8_ | picking finnish sets locales=fi_FI.UTF8 on the kernel command line, and LANG=fi_FI.UTF8 but the unicode shows up garbled in the console |