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| 00:06.12 | PaddyF | i wait for the frankendeb project to give out cloaks |
| 00:06.26 | sney | not even our bots have debian cloaks. |
| 00:06.45 | sney | I guess that doesn't *technically* rule it out for some rando, but I wouldn't hold your breath either lol |
| 00:06.56 | PaddyF | :) |
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| 02:09.23 | karlpinc | I want to look at, e.g., /var/lib/dpkg/info/slapd.templates and strip out the non-english so I can tell what's going on. grep -Ev '^(Choices)|(Description)-' does not work (*duh*) because some of the structure is multi-line. Is there a dpkg-related tool I can use? |
| 02:11.18 | karlpinc | (It'd be a nice feature for debconf-show, to show the prompts and descriptions in the appropriate language.) |
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| 02:33.01 | jmcnaught | karlpinc: maybe one of the modules in python3-debian would help. Those templates files appear to be in the rfc822-style. |
| 02:35.15 | karlpinc | jmcnaught: Thanks. For the hot minute I copyed the template and edited out the "other" langauges. But I'm going to want to see what config options are for several packages so it'd be nice to have a parser. |
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| 02:38.47 | jmcnaught | karlpinc: there's debconf-getlang but its man page says it's deprecated, to switch to the po-debconf package. Both tools look like they're for working with source packages though and not the end results in /var/lib/dpkg/info |
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| 02:42.12 | s_ | is there a command that would install all of the build dependencies for a source package |
| 02:42.19 | karlpinc | jmcnaught: Working with the source package would not be horrible. python3-debian seems a set of raw modules. If I was super-good at python I might be able to use -m and a one-liner to get what I want, but it's not worth going down that road. Easier to write a regular python script and use the modules. |
| 02:42.32 | karlpinc | jmcnaught: But that's work. :) |
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| 02:44.00 | joepublic | I am thinking `apt-get build-dep packagename` |
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| 02:46.56 | s_ | joepublic: thanks |
| 02:49.05 | karlpinc | jmcnaught: Ah, Ha. Reading the po-debconf man page says the source package has the template only in english. Now I can be a rude American and demand only the American language! |
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| 02:55.12 | stormsz79 | "Your card is only supported by the 304 legacy drivers series, which is only available up to stretch." should i just resort to noveau or is there a way to manually install the driver? |
| 02:57.39 | karlpinc | sources.debian.org is my friend. I can look at the template file there without having to install anything. |
| 02:59.03 | karlpinc | stormsz79: If you can get the .deb you can try to install it with dpkg. I dunno. Sooner or later you're probably going to have to resort to noveau. |
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| 02:59.36 | karlpinc | (Which is the trouble with the proprietary drivers -- they go out of support. But don't worry, you can buy a new Nvidia card!) |
| 03:00.35 | stormsz79 | ye, its an old card i have laying arround. might aswell give it some use |
| 03:01.49 | s_ | ive found that open source wifi drivers will sometimes bitrot as well |
| 03:01.53 | karlpinc | jmcnaught: Thanks for the help. |
| 03:02.34 | alex11 | yeah, bleh. i have to replace mine (either computer or graphics card) at some point |
| 03:02.38 | karlpinc | s_: Yeah. :-( Wifi always sucks when it has to be reverse-engineered. |
| 03:03.09 | s_ | my experience here made me kind of give up on having a linux laptop |
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| 03:03.41 | s_ | didn't want to spend all my time trying to integrate laptop tech |
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| 03:04.36 | s_ | when i have more free time in my life, i look forward to it :) |
| 03:05.40 | alex11 | nvidia is annoying because for a while, nvidia was (apparently) quite good with linux (in the open source sense, nouveau or whatever came before it) and AMD wasn't |
| 03:05.46 | alex11 | only then did nvidia start to be uncooperative |
| 03:06.00 | s_ | yep i remember those days |
| 03:06.11 | s_ | it was weird how those flipped |
| 03:06.20 | alex11 | intel... not sure about them but their actions during spectre/meltdown and other stuff aren't really commendable |
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| 03:09.46 | alex11 | tl;dr: be on windows or suffer :( |
| 03:15.32 | alex11 | in fairness i think nvidia does support cards for a fairly long while |
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| 03:15.42 | alex11 | it would be *nice* for everything to be FOSS but oh well |
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| 03:20.26 | alex11 | also i just saw some things about nvidia beginning to support wayland, which is cool |
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| 03:30.58 | alex11 | probably also depends on the card line too |
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| 03:31.13 | alex11 | everything will eventually get deprecated but some are "more equal than others"... or something |
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| 03:32.57 | bigfluff | debian makes me feel warm and fuzzy |
| 03:33.05 | bigfluff | this feels like the appropriate room to share this :) |
| 03:33.21 | alex11 | same |
| 03:34.28 | ryouma | i have had the experience of a card not being supported, and will never get hw that seems like it won't be |
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| 03:34.48 | alex11 | idk |
| 03:34.51 | ryouma | (floss being the biggest indicator of support and warm and fuzzy on top) |
| 03:35.07 | alex11 | i went through my "screw nvidia" stage and now i... care slightly less, maybe, i don't know |
| 03:35.33 | alex11 | i think my next hardware purchase will be AMD but i'll probably just end up upgrading the nvidia card, it's easier |
| 03:35.37 | ryouma | i want hw to last 15y at least |
| 03:37.32 | alex11 | consumers just need to remember that choice of hardware matters more if you go off the beaten path |
| 03:37.35 | alex11 | the beaten path being windows |
| 03:37.45 | alex11 | then they can make their own decisions |
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| 03:38.52 | ryouma | annoys me when firmware must be loaded though |
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| 03:39.24 | ryouma | blob firmware* (as if there were any free versions of it, of which i am not aware) |
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| 03:46.51 | bigfluff | debian 'just worked' with my relatively modern harware |
| 03:47.01 | bigfluff | i realize i am *extremely* lucky for this |
| 03:47.16 | bigfluff | but in the future i will be certain to shop for foss/debian-compat. hardware |
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| 04:54.32 | genr8_ | laptops are the most suspect |
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| 07:55.31 | nobyk | My bluetooth doesn't work on my deb laptop, it's a thinkpad T480 |
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| 08:01.23 | ansimita | nobyk: check/share your dmesg |
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| 08:14.02 | nobyk | ansimita: good tip, thanks. Can't check right now |
| 08:14.10 | nobyk | I assume it's some firmware/driver thing that's missing |
| 08:14.35 | nobyk | Had a similar problem with wifi |
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| 08:43.57 | StyXman | I need to create a minimal rescue image that is <50MiB (IPMI limits), I was thinking of only putting a kernel and initrd, but how do I proceed from there? |
| 08:44.38 | hwm4rgs | probably just build busybox into the initrd and settle for that? |
| 08:44.40 | hwm4rgs | depends on what you need |
| 08:44.45 | StyXman | (it's for booting an installed system on a server that somehow is not finding grub |
| 08:45.08 | genr8_ | they have stuff for that already |
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| 08:45.29 | StyXman | hwm4rgs: just syslinux, a kernel, an initrd with drivers, and tell the kernel root=/dev/sdXM |
| 08:46.03 | StyXman | all small boot images I found are >50MiG |
| 08:46.39 | ratrace | busybox++ |
| 08:46.39 | genr8_ | https://www.plop.at/en/plopkexec/download.html |
| 08:46.50 | StyXman | damn, I see initrd's bigger than 90MiB! |
| 08:46.55 | genr8_ | download is 60MB but the iso inside is 17.8MB |
| 08:47.24 | StyXman | ah |
| 08:47.51 | ratrace | StyXman: you can make your own initramfs, and reconfigure the kernel without modules that you know you'll never ever need |
| 08:48.12 | ratrace | You can do it all in less than 10MB, thta's the size of them on my gentoo systems. |
| 08:48.13 | StyXman | yeah, I know, but I have to relearn all that |
| 08:48.55 | StyXman | ENOTIME :( I've been reinstalling it N times, each reboot takes 5-10m and it's *very* time consuming |
| 08:49.16 | ratrace | understood. just saying that if it becomes an important requirement, you do have options. |
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| 08:49.38 | genr8_ | Kexec makes the most sense. assuming the partition is still readable |
| 08:49.55 | StyXman | genr8_: let's see! |
| 08:50.03 | StyXman | ratrace: yeah, I know, thanks |
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| 08:50.56 | genr8_ | theres also Bootable Grub isos. https://www.supergrubdisk.org/super-grub2-disk/ |
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| 08:51.59 | genr8_ | 15.6MB |
| 08:52.32 | StyXman | ouiéa! |
| 08:54.38 | genr8_ | ive used both of these |
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| 09:26.10 | StyXman | genr8_: the latter looks awesome |
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| 09:27.31 | StyXman | aaaannnd.... (dramatic drum sound).. IT BOOTS! \o/ |
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| 09:28.27 | genr8_ | grats |
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| 09:30.14 | node1 | I'm looking for a support to import OVA ( i.e debian buster 10 ) into aws as ec2 instance. |
| 09:31.20 | node1 | Unfortunately every time it says "StatusMessage": "ClientError: Unsupported kernel version 5.4.68" |
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| 09:31.52 | node1 | Even i have tried with another versions of kernel i.e 4.0 as well. But no luck. |
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| 09:35.27 | genr8_ | you need the "cloud" edition |
| 09:35.43 | genr8_ | https://wiki.debian.org/Cloud/AmazonEC2Image |
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| 09:36.48 | genr8_ | https://wiki.debian.org/Cloud/AmazonEC2Image/Buster |
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| 09:42.14 | node1 | genr8_, I'm just looking to import my customize vm. |
| 09:45.16 | StyXman | then you probably have to rebuild it on top of those images? |
| 09:45.56 | node1 | I would like to build locally. Then convert into OVA and push into aws |
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| 09:48.25 | StyXman | how are you building your image? |
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| 09:51.06 | genr8_ | the kernel is what controls it working or not |
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| 09:51.58 | genr8_ | theres a special cloud kernel |
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| 09:52.17 | node1 | I have build a custom kernel > import it into my buster > made few changes > exported into OVA . Then trying to push into aws |
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| 09:52.48 | genr8_ | you need to use the right cloud config to build the kernel though |
| 09:53.07 | node1 | Do you mind sharing how these guys are making AMI https://wiki.debian.org/Cloud/AmazonEC2Image ? |
| 09:53.43 | node1 | `right cloud config` ? |
| 09:54.26 | genr8_ | https://salsa.debian.org/kernel-team/linux/-/blob/buster/debian/config/amd64/config.cloud-amd64 |
| 09:55.23 | genr8_ | this repo has all the debian build scripts and they build the kernel with them and one option is "cloud" and thats the main file |
| 09:56.25 | genr8_ | the AMI generation is done by this repo https://salsa.debian.org/cloud-team/debian-cloud-images |
| 09:57.36 | genr8_ | thats all i know |
| 09:59.55 | node1 | Thank you. |
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| 10:08.43 | Harm133 | Hey guys, I want to setup a non-public mirror repo of stable/old-stable for amd64. Does anyone have an indication of the size? (no source included) |
| 10:08.45 | genr8_ | oh i know something else. the config.cloud-amd64 file is not the single only .config file you need. I extracted this https://files.catbox.moe/b6rmln.0-11-cloud-amd64 out of the official package |
| 10:10.01 | genr8_ | https://www.debian.org/mirror/size |
| 10:10.30 | Harm133 | genr8_ That includes all archs/dists. |
| 10:10.50 | genr8_ | https://screenshots.debian.net/package/debmirror |
| 10:10.54 | genr8_ | 50-100GB ? |
| 10:11.10 | Harm133 | Thats an indication :) |
| 10:11.11 | Harm133 | Thx |
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| 11:13.02 | teo7 | 'm trying Debian stable (then also testing), but installing the drivers for my Nvidia GeForce 950m (with the command "apt install nvidia-driver"), the screen sporadically does graphical glitches. These consist of flickering, until I move the mouse abruptly. I tried to migrate from xorg to wayland, but the latter is blocked by default when installing proprietary drivers. |
| 11:14.15 | ratrace | teo7: is that one of those optimus thingies? hybrid nvidia+intel switchable something somethings? |
| 11:14.42 | ratrace | also, yes, the proprietary nvidia does not support wayland yet. |
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| 11:16.56 | teo7 | @ratrace I don't know, I only installed nvidia driver |
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| 11:18.11 | ratrace | teo7: does it glitch when you use xorg? |
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| 11:37.37 | teo7 | @ratrace with proprietary drivers I am forced to use xorg |
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| 11:49.09 | ratrace | teo7: did you try using the libre nouveau driver instead of the proprietary? |
| 11:51.12 | teo7 | Yes, it's the same Unfortunately. But there aren't hardware problem, because with windows, it worked fine. |
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| 11:55.05 | ratrace | teo7: maybe that's an Optimus system. you said GeForce 950m, so I'm assuming that's a laptop: https://wiki.debian.org/NVIDIA%20Optimus |
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| 11:55.53 | diogenes_ | Hello guys, is it possible to have a variable with spaces in bash? e.g: 4 seconds=4 |
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| 11:59.49 | ratrace | diogenes_: no, and make it a habit never to start a variable name with a number |
| 12:00.11 | diogenes_ | ratrace, thanks! |
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| 13:44.36 | artaud | hi.. I have a external ntfs usb driver and it`s just broken filesystem.. in windows, saw as raw.. there is a way to mount raw driver in debian to backup data before format my disk? |
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| 13:45.45 | epitamizor | you can try mount as iso or loop image |
| 13:46.44 | Onyx47 | artaud: if it's recoverable you stil need to fix the filesystem. look up testdisk, it's in the repositories and there's plenty of tutorials online on how to use it, though it is pretty simple on the face of it |
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| 13:47.14 | artaud | thanks all.. I`ll search this rigth now!! |
| 13:47.24 | Onyx47 | as always with stuff like this, if you have the required space it's better to make a copy of the entire drive first using dd though, so you have a backup copy to try again on if you do a mistake :) |
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| 13:54.45 | StyXman | or work on the image itself, specially if the disk is failing physically |
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| 14:05.43 | Harm133 | Hey guys, I'm running a service file to create a dummy interface on boot, however it gives this error: "ip: command not found". The service file has : "After=network.target". If I restart the service file once I've logged in it does work. Any ideas? |
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| 14:12.20 | another | missing PATH? try /sbin/ip |
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| 14:15.11 | Onyx47 | systemd service files don't get PATH, or it's stripped down, noticed that myself, always use full paths to all executables and you'll be golden |
| 14:15.32 | Harm133 | Hmm, thats weird. In the same file it uses 'hostname' |
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| 14:15.38 | Harm133 | which does work. Trying /sbin/ip now |
| 14:16.42 | Harm133 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:17.33 | Onyx47 | huh, on my system it's /bin/hostname and /bin/ip, so that's the same... |
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| 14:20.39 | StyXman | $ which ip |
| 14:20.39 | StyXman | /sbin/ip |
| 14:20.52 | StyXman | Harm133: what about you? |
| 14:21.07 | Harm133 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:21.24 | Onyx47 | that's... peculiar |
| 14:21.29 | Harm133 | Oh shit |
| 14:21.29 | Harm133 | wait |
| 14:21.33 | Harm133 | This is a centos host |
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| 14:21.40 | Harm133 | My bad =/ |
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| 14:21.58 | Onyx47 | lawl, well, still, same thing should apply |
| 14:22.55 | artaud | it`s working.. thanks, guys!! |
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| 14:42.26 | tpw_rules | is there any way to force tab complete to work for a "wrong" filetype? e.g. i have to sh blahblahblah.run to install my nvidia drivers, but the shell refuses to tabcomplete because .run is not an sh file |
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| 14:42.57 | Haohmaru | press the TAB key with rage |
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| 14:43.24 | another | ./blbla.run |
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| 14:50.59 | ratrace | so, pool's open how fast they come back cryin' their system is broken. |
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| 15:00.14 | Haohmaru | ratrace crapvidia_install.run -> cryvidia |
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| 15:39.01 | s_ | is there a command that removes every package except what comes on a base install |
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| 15:39.56 | rk4 | do debian live dvds have a package manifest somewhere? i thought it was a thing but i can't find it |
| 15:40.15 | rk4 | s/manifest/list/ |
| 15:40.23 | hmuller | s_: I think it's easier to just start from scratch and roll your own |
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| 15:40.52 | s_ | hmuller: and if that isn't easier, is there a way to do this? |
| 15:41.30 | hmuller | s_: debootstrap is a good starting point |
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| 15:42.09 | TuxCrazy | hi... |
| 15:42.25 | TuxCrazy | which one is more newbie friendly, Debian Xfce or Debian Mate? |
| 15:42.43 | hmuller | s_: you could also customize this tool to roll your own: https://salsa.debian.org/raspi-team/image-specs |
| 15:42.56 | joepublic | you could consider finding out with tasksel what packages are installed with your initial install, list all installed packages with dpkg -l, and manually remove any packages not present in the first list. |
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| 15:43.22 | s_ | hmuller: im sayaing if i have a system with a bunch of packages, i want to apt-remove all but what comes in base debian |
| 15:43.51 | hmuller | s_: joepublic is giving you a good pointer |
| 15:44.25 | joepublic | well, I am not sure about the output of tasksel; i am speaking in theory |
| 15:44.32 | s_ | hmm |
| 15:44.35 | s_ | thanks |
| 15:44.39 | s_ | let me dig into that |
| 15:45.14 | hmuller | s_: I have done in the past what you want to do, it is easier to start from scratch and build up. |
| 15:46.04 | s_ | hmuller: yep that is _almost_ always true |
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| 16:01.37 | oxek | on a freshly installed debian-stable, GPT partitioned system, when using LUKS full-disk-encryption, the GUID partition code for this partition is "Linux filesystem 0FC63DAF-8483-4772-8E79-3D69D8477DE4" |
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| 16:02.12 | oxek | whereas https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GUID_Partition_Table#Partition_type_GUIDs lists "LUKS partition CA7D7CCB-63ED-4C53-861C-1742536059CC" as perhaps being the appropriate one |
| 16:02.27 | oxek | am I misunderstanding something here? what does it affect? |
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| 16:05.26 | hmuller | oxek: if memory serves GUID partition codes are unique, and meant to be different when created. I think that was just an example |
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| 16:06.02 | oxek | hmuller: these are GUID partition codes, not partition unique GUID |
| 16:06.06 | oxek | (I know the terminology sucks) |
| 16:06.18 | rk4 | LUKS has a ciphertext device that it presents as a plaintext device, i suspect that you're looking at the plaintext device |
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| 16:06.43 | rk4 | [s/LUKS/dmcrypt/ would be more precise, LUKS just sets up the mapping] |
| 16:07.00 | oxek | rk4: I'm looking at what fdisk/gdisk would output for partition information when targetting the /dev/sdXY partition |
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| 16:07.09 | oxek | i.e. before luks even gets involved |
| 16:07.45 | oxek | the /dev/mapper/ devices don't have partition identifiers |
| 16:08.14 | oxek | or I'm just wrong |
| 16:08.38 | oxek | I can't even find "LUKS partition CA7D7CCB-63ED-4C53-861C-1742536059CC" anywhere in fdisk/gdisk |
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| 16:08.54 | oxek | when asking it to present the list of known GUIDs |
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| 16:09.38 | rk4 | possibly i still generally use MBR :( |
| 16:09.52 | oxek | can't use MBR here, disks are over 4TB |
| 16:10.07 | rk4 | in MBR land between fdisk, cfdisk et al, there's discrepencies in what the tools do |
| 16:10.33 | oxek | in MBR land, the partition type would likely be 83 just like for all linux partitions |
| 16:11.40 | rk4 | my implication is that your tooling might not be precisely matching the wikipedia page, but i don't really know :) |
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| 16:13.11 | oxek | I guess my main question is then: What partition identifier should I be using for a LUKS partition? Is it usual & safe to use the regular "Linux filesystem 0FC63DAF-8483-4772-8E79-3D69D8477DE4"? |
| 16:13.44 | oxek | debian obviously works with it, but I don't know if it is appropriate to use for external drives that I will be creating now |
| 16:14.05 | oxek | I mean, debian works with it when installed into that partition on a system drive |
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| 16:15.20 | sney | are you concerned that the debian-created luks partition won't be accessible from a different OS? |
| 16:16.19 | oxek | sney: I'm concerned debian-created luks partition with a regular "Linux filesystem partition GUID" will be incorrectly identified by another system and that system will attempt to write to it as if it was a non-encrypted partition. |
| 16:16.33 | oxek | basically I want to be sure everything knows it is a LUKS partition |
| 16:16.56 | oxek | and does not mess with it through some automatic means that is likely to be destructive |
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| 16:18.10 | sney | and when you say "this partition" are you referring to the /dev/vg-whatever/root? or the actual /dev/sdX1 on your disk? |
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| 16:18.28 | oxek | actual /dev/sdX1 |
| 16:18.45 | oxek | afaik /dev/mapper/ things don't have GUID identifiers |
| 16:18.49 | oxek | but I might be wrong here |
| 16:18.56 | sney | my laptop with luks is downstairs or I would check. |
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| 16:20.03 | sney | anyway, debian tries to be as close to upstream's standard as possible. so there shouldn't be anything in debian's luks implementation that would cause a different OS to misinterpret the partition type like you said. |
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| 16:20.24 | sney | but to be sure, you could try accessing it with some other arbitrary luks-enabled livecd |
| 16:20.42 | oxek | the thing is this is before luks even gets involved, if I understand it correctly |
| 16:20.51 | oxek | it's a label within the GPT |
| 16:21.06 | oxek | or maybe label is the wrong word |
| 16:21.12 | oxek | it's a type information in GPT |
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| 16:22.06 | rk4 | oxek: hmm, mapper is just a layer, i've had partition tables on things in /dev/mapper, it's not likely the case here since you just went with standard debian installer antics by hte soudns fo things |
| 16:22.23 | sney | the other thing is that, partition table labels aren't super authoritative. if you took e.g. a fat32 partition and relabeled it as ext2, it wouldn't suddenly be usable as ext2 without actually creating the filesystem |
| 16:22.28 | oxek | it's like saying /dev/sda1 is type "Microsoft basic data" instead of "Linux filesystem", which might break something |
| 16:23.08 | sney | the most result you'd get is 'mount' trying that to autodetect and then throwing an error |
| 16:23.13 | oxek | I know UEFI is strict about some part of this, regarding proper labeling of EFI and maybe some other partitions |
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| 16:23.45 | oxek | rk4: yeah, standard debian installer, d-i |
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| 16:24.54 | rk4 | could check for open bugs, its a pretty niche question. could something [anything] cause corruption of your ciphertext due to a misleading GUID |
| 16:25.19 | oxek | I'm also trying to make sense of this thread, that is trying to explain it a bit but isn't really helping https://www.saout.de/pipermail/dm-crypt/2014-January/003837.html |
| 16:26.56 | rk4 | hehe milan's response hints at the unclearness and inconsistency in this part of the system! |
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| 16:27.28 | oxek | right now I'm leaning towards this: given that fdisk/gdisk don't have an entry for LUKS partition, I'm using it as authoritative that I should not be using a special GUID for LUKS partitions and should just use the regular Linux Filesystem GUID partition type. |
| 16:27.35 | oxek | Is that reasonable? Or am I missing something? |
| 16:28.05 | oxek | however, this could just be because fdisk/gdisk in debian is outdated... |
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| 16:29.39 | oxek | at least I found some discussion in debian about this https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=770211 |
| 16:29.41 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/770211 in util-linux (closed, upstream): «/sbin/fdisk: add LUKS partition type code to fdisk»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2014-11-19; last modified: 2020-06-08. |
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| 16:31.49 | rk4 | so is this a boot disk |
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| 16:33.46 | oxek | rk4: it's the boot disk from which debian boots, and I want to create an encrypted external portable harddrive, thus was looking into how debian does it for the system disk. |
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| 16:36.08 | rk4 | if the whole drive is to be encrypted you could also not have any partition table, making this complication go away, but maybe making others for you |
| 16:37.48 | sney | I just realized a potential opsec thing: if the partition is labeled clearly as luks then a potential attacker knows that it's encrypted, while if it just says "linux" then that's not as obvious |
| 16:38.24 | another | there's still the LUKS header |
| 16:38.34 | another | unless you have a detached header |
| 16:39.05 | oxek | rk4: I was heavily advised against directly encrypting the block device. Apparently a partition table is a good thing because it prevents other systems from viewing the device as unpartitioned/empty. |
| 16:39.55 | oxek | sney: I'm not trying to hide the data, it should be obvious that it is encrypted data, and the LUKS header is still visible in plaintext anyway |
| 16:39.55 | sney | it's less likely that someone would look for a luks header if they didn't have some clue that it was there. |
| 16:40.26 | sney | yeah, I'm just pondering if this is the reason debian used that partition type. |
| 16:40.42 | oxek | I'm of the personal opinion that it is pointless to try to hide the fact that you're encrypting some data |
| 16:41.16 | rk4 | oxek: i guess...if your use case is plugging into such systems. one supposes another system might also not understand LUKS or any filesystem and offer to format it. i've never had any problems in linux |
| 16:41.32 | oxek | I think I'll go with the regular Linux Filesystem GUID partition identifier code, but am still digging through old mailing lists for details |
| 16:42.20 | oxek | rk4: I'll be sharing this external drive with other people, and don't control what they'll plug it into. Obviously it will only work in linux, but people will likely leave it connected to the PC when dualbooting for example. |
| 16:42.21 | rk4 | i don't think there's much in this choice, it seems unlikely another linux host will shaft your drive, and as its a lone drive it'll be prone to randomly dying anyway[?] |
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| 16:42.41 | oxek | and I want to make sure the drive does not get automatically partitioned/formatted or anything like that that windows might decide to do on its own |
| 16:43.25 | oxek | I of course have backups, but can't control if others will make backups of the data that they'll be transferring onto the drive while it is not under my control |
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| 16:45.09 | sney | in over 15 years, and multiple linux/windows versions, I have never seen windows automatically write to a non-windows partition present on the same machine. (boot sectors are another story.) |
| 16:46.05 | rk4 | sney: what if as the user i click yes/ok to all the prompts without reading them :D |
| 16:46.05 | oxek | sney: happened to me during win2000 times. Windows has a habit of 'initializing' (their terminology, I don't know what they mean) drives where it does not find a partition table or sees unknown filesystems |
| 16:46.10 | sney | windows WILL (or it used to, not sure what the status is with WSL systems) offer to format a partition, IF you try to access it from explorer. |
| 16:46.22 | sney | but it won't do that without you clicking the wrong thing. |
| 16:46.42 | oxek | and i believe even nowadays windows assigns drive letters to linux filesystems and offers to format them if you double click them in explorer |
| 16:46.54 | oxek | but I might be wrong about that |
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| 16:47.59 | sney | I thought I heard something about ext* access through WSL. but anyway: all of this stuff requires YOU to try to access the partition from windows. Left alone, nothing happens. |
| 16:48.05 | oxek | so I want to make sure everything is labelled properly in GPT, so that windows (and other systems) don't think the drive is unpartitioned, or that the partitions are corrupt |
| 16:48.10 | rk4 | a external drive with a eth port sure would make a lot of this easier...no worrying about what windows or osx might do |
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| 17:36.01 | Lady_Aleena | Hello. One should not need to use sudo with systemctl, right? I was looking over my aliases and found one using sudo with systemctl `sudo systemctl restart display-manager`. Since I was using systemctl yesterday without sudo, I am thinking I do not need sudo for display-manager. |
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| 17:37.03 | sney | systemctl for user units never needs sudo. for system stuff, it may or may not depending on what groups your user is in. |
| 17:37.05 | somiaj | systemctl can be run as a user or as root, but they don't have the same permissions |
| 17:37.33 | Lady_Aleena | Okay, I'll leave it alone then. Thanks. |
| 17:37.47 | somiaj | I think there are ways to allow your user access to the system services without sudo, but here I'm unsure on the details. I'm lazy and just use sudo |
| 17:38.52 | Lady_Aleena | 99% of the time, I use sudo for installing packages. Not much else needs it. |
| 17:39.44 | somiaj | outside of system managment you shouldn't need to be root. |
| 17:39.58 | somiaj | I ocasionally have to edit a system config file too after a package is installed as root |
| 17:40.34 | Lady_Aleena | somiaj, I hate editing system configuration files, since I have to use nano to do it. |
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| 17:41.32 | Lady_Aleena | apache2 files are the ones I dislike editing. |
| 17:42.55 | somiaj | you can edit with other editors, though running gui editors as root isn't as easy, but I don't like nano easier, that is what vi is for |
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| 17:43.25 | somiaj | another thing you can do, copy the configuration file to your users $HOME, edit it with your favirote $EDITOR, then just use sudo to copy it back |
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| 17:45.13 | asterismo | hi, is there any backports repo support for debian wheezy? |
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| 17:45.21 | asterismo | maybe an archive repo? |
| 17:46.50 | sney | !wheezy sources.list |
| 17:46.50 | dpkg | Debian 7 "wheezy" is archived. A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for wheezy has one line: «deb http://archive.debian.org/debian wheezy main». Be sure to run «apt-get update». Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <mirrors> <apt-spy> and «man sources.list». |
| 17:47.06 | sney | wheezy-backports did exist at one point |
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| 17:48.13 | sney | aha, it's also on archive. so copy the archive.debian.org entry for wheezy and change it to wheezy-backports and that should work. |
| 17:48.28 | asterismo | thanks! |
| 17:48.42 | sney | np |
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| 17:50.09 | oxek | is there something that commonly creates the directory /.cache? meaning .cache in / |
| 17:50.25 | oxek | I seem to have that dir, root owns it and it is empty |
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| 18:04.09 | lecethimon | Hello, got some problems trying figure out how to diagnose my ssh tunnel. It worked before but it stopped working. I cant seem te get it going again |
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| 18:16.29 | stuff_is | Hello |
| 18:16.56 | stuff_is | I have a crash relatively often when playing a videogame, everything freezes, doesn't respond to ctrl-alt-delete alt tab etc, but sound still plays I do a shutdown |
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| 18:17.01 | Franciman | Hi |
| 18:17.08 | stuff_is | how can I investigate the reason? I ran SMART on the ssd, and checked syslog but I don't see anything |
| 18:17.14 | stuff_is | can it be hardware related? |
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| 18:17.23 | Franciman | My networking problem reappeared! |
| 18:17.40 | Franciman | I tried doing a ping to the Gateway, but no, it didn't work |
| 18:17.57 | Franciman | instead I tried pinging 182.168.1.179 (and the ping was delivered) |
| 18:18.05 | Franciman | 192.168.1.179* |
| 18:18.36 | Franciman | my ip r shows: https://bpa.st/B4EA |
| 18:18.46 | Franciman | if I try to ping 192.168.1.1 it fails |
| 18:18.53 | Franciman | if I try to ping 192.168.1.179 it works |
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| 18:20.33 | greycat | do you have whatever firmware it wants? |
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| 18:23.02 | Franciman | maybe this is related to torrent |
| 18:23.24 | Franciman | because now I started my torrent client for some time and the problem reapperared. Before now I haven't used torrent for a while |
| 18:23.31 | greycat | if it isn't firmware, and there isn't anything in the logs, then I have no ideas |
| 18:23.37 | greycat | I'm not a wireless guru |
| 18:23.51 | Franciman | ah greycat sorry I thought you weren't talking to me. Yes I have the firmware |
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| 18:32.30 | hmuller | stuff_is: run this in a terminal and report the results: cat /etc/os-release | head -n1 | cut -f2 -d\" |
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| 18:33.12 | stuff_is | Linux Mint |
| 18:34.16 | hmuller | stuff_is: They are based on Debian but not the same, try here: #linuxmint-help |
| 18:34.46 | stuff_is | :'( |
| 18:34.55 | stuff_is | is this bad: kernel: [ 1520.105339] BUG: unable to handle page fault for address: ffff9e1a00cba530 |
| 18:36.55 | hmuller | that looks like a kernel or hardware issue |
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| 18:38.01 | stuff_is | I ran smartctl on my ssd, should I run a memory check? is it possible to figure out what hardware causes that issue? |
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| 18:39.03 | sney | stuff_is: you were already told that your OS is not supported in #debian |
| 18:39.07 | sney | go to the correct channel please |
| 18:39.16 | Lady_Aleena | somiaj, sorry for disappearing earlier, but hubby called. I tried vi(m) once and didn't like it one bit. Hell, I couldn't get it to open a file. |
| 18:39.41 | stuff_is | wow, that is so.... |
| 18:40.34 | Lady_Aleena | So, I gave up and decided to use nano for sudo editing and Geany for all other editing. |
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| 18:41.21 | stuff_is | I guess the take here is people are not helpful unless you lie, guess nobody wants to be helpful for some reason even if they know the answer |
| 18:41.21 | sney | vi usage is weird. it's good to have a general understanding, since it's more likely to be on a system that doesn't have any other editors |
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| 18:41.42 | sney | stuff_is: the "take" here is that this is #debian and it is for debian support, full stop. |
| 18:41.44 | fredl | hey folks. I'm doing some (to me) interesting testing with a bonded point-to-point interface |
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| 18:42.29 | fredl | I'm wondering what's the best suited bonding mode for this setup though |
| 18:42.44 | fredl | I want to optimize it on throughput speed |
| 18:43.04 | fredl | and most of the data will travel only one way |
| 18:43.39 | fredl | I tried balance-alb (mode 6) |
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| 18:44.32 | fredl | That doesn't seem to give me much throughput gains though |
| 18:45.39 | Lady_Aleena | sney, all I need is apt and then install Geany, and I will be okay. |
| 18:45.40 | hmuller | i used emacs for the longest time. vi(m) is pleasant once you get used to it, and more ergonomic |
| 18:45.51 | sney | fredl: gains over what? on a link used for what? set up how? you're being too vague for anyone to offer useful advice |
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| 18:46.26 | fredl | I want to optimize it on throughput speed is what I said right? |
| 18:46.50 | sney | optimize based on what? on a link used for WHAT |
| 18:46.51 | fredl | in a point-to-point network between 2 hosts only |
| 18:46.59 | sney | !your screen |
| 18:46.59 | dpkg | Your screen is in front of your face. #debian cannot see it. Please give as many details as you can about the problem. It wastes our time and yours when we have to guess what is on your screen. See <context>, <what> |
| 18:47.15 | Lady_Aleena | wanders off. |
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| 18:48.03 | fredl | And I think I said the link is used for 'data will travel only one way' |
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| 18:50.28 | fredl | and as for 'gains over what' -- the normal throughput on one link obviously |
| 18:50.40 | fredl | Do you know what a bond is? |
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| 19:19.10 | r3d | hey, i use a test vserver to learn some stuff and this server is unencrypted. A fully-encrypted server would improve the security or does it not make sense if only port 80/443 is enabled so you can't connect to ssh. Is this step necessary? |
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| 19:19.51 | greycat | What do you mean when you say the server is "unencrypted"? |
| 19:20.20 | sney | r3d: depends on your threat model. are you concerned with securing against local access? |
| 19:21.33 | r3d | i mean that my partition is not encrypted. |
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| 19:21.56 | Franciman | ok |
| 19:22.10 | Franciman | I am 80% sure the problem is torrent |
| 19:22.39 | greycat | On-disk encryption is only helpful against the threat model where someone steals the computer, or the hard drive, or otherwise has direct physical access to the hardware. |
| 19:23.06 | r3d | no, i use the vserver for a website only. no illegal stuff, haha |
| 19:23.24 | sney | that's not exactly relevant to the question |
| 19:23.24 | greycat | Has nothing to do with what you use it for. |
| 19:23.35 | joepublic | ha ha ha illegal is not a description of threat model... |
| 19:23.59 | greycat | Unless your threat model is "the FBI is going to seize it". |
| 19:24.13 | r3d | yeah, it is not relevant but its my answer to Franciman |
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| 19:24.32 | greycat | Franciman was talking about their own thing, not addressing yours. |
| 19:24.41 | Franciman | ah sorry |
| 19:24.46 | r3d | ah okay |
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| 20:13.35 | jhutchins | r3d: A web server needs a certain amount of hardening, they're not inherently secure with the defaults. |
| 20:13.56 | greycat | ... what |
| 20:16.53 | dotcom | o.0 |
| 20:17.20 | sponix2ipfw | r3d: full disk encryption is more to keep someone from initially logging into something if it is physically stolen. To my knowledge disk encryption does little to nothing towards securing running services on the server |
| 20:17.44 | greycat | I might support "it's easy to set up your web server in an insecure manner, unless you follow certain guidelines", but by default it should only be serving static content from a single hierarchy. |
| 20:17.47 | somiaj | might depend on if the encrypted stuff is mounted or not. |
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| 20:18.18 | somiaj | most likely they mean if you use something like wordpress, expect to have to do work to keep bots from attacking it |
| 20:18.30 | greycat | wordpress is NOT a bloody default |
| 20:18.32 | somiaj | but yea, static content is fairly safe with the defaults. |
| 20:19.12 | sponix2ipfw | does anyone want to give my webserver a run security wise ? |
| 20:19.52 | sponix2ipfw | I don't think r3d is even paying any attention anymore |
| 20:28.24 | zamnedix | sponix2ipfw: https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/ |
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| 20:38.40 | sponix2ipfw | zamnedix: well, I would be doing a lot better if I had re-created the site certificates to match my domain when it changed LOL |
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| 20:49.12 | srged | does anyone know where could i get some help regarding a dd wrt repeater ? |
| 20:49.50 | sney | looks like there's a #dd-wrt on this network |
| 20:50.51 | sney | there's also ##networking |
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| 20:51.17 | srged | sney: thx |
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| 22:43.11 | mtnman | helo |
| 22:43.26 | mtnman | is there a console front-end for network-manager? |
| 22:44.08 | AndreasLutro | mtnman: nmtui |
| 22:45.14 | mtnman | ok thanks |
| 22:47.22 | mtnman | actually it's nmcli not nmtui |
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| 22:49.34 | alex11 | yes, ifup/ifdown/ifconfig |
| 22:49.36 | alex11 | :trollface: |
| 22:50.05 | alex11 | ifquery, i guess, not ifconfig (which i think is deprecated?) |
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| 22:59.32 | ryouma | well i didn't know htat and just tried ifquery, and --list just lists lo. and no options does nothing useful. so i'm not impressed :/. |
| 22:59.44 | ryouma | and ifquery -a does not do as expected. |
| 23:00.25 | ryouma | basically it seems to be impossible to find out the names of my interfaces with it, much less query them |
| 23:08.39 | alex11 | either ip or ifconfig is deprecated (i think it's ifconfig) but i can never remember which |
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| 23:09.49 | EdePopede | ifconfig (since that's the one i usually think of when i need the functionality) |
| 23:11.59 | ryouma | well i holpe it stays around |
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| 23:21.45 | ov3rmind | i am an old entusiat of perl, and had some distance of your during some time, but i want recover my pratice witrh perl, at moment i learn with Moose, it is the right way??? very thank's |
| 23:22.14 | ov3rmind | ops exuse |
| 23:22.18 | ov3rmind | wrong channel |
| 23:26.05 | ov3rmind | with debian i have builded an litle lan server on my studdy lab, with an stable debian host with rwo guests on vms kvm, running stable, i setup these guests as dnsmasq servers for an litle virtual network inside LAN, i setup these dns servers one linked to one public dns server, but each one on a diferent dns server. and setup the cache size with among of memory progressive |
| 23:26.16 | ov3rmind | the result is very nice |
| 23:26.47 | ov3rmind | these experiment up speed of queries and isolated bind cache |
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| 23:36.41 | leoni | hello, is it a bad practice to use binaries that are not in the repository? for example, by placing it in /usr/local/bin? |
| 23:37.14 | sney | that's what /usr/local/bin is for. |
| 23:37.33 | sney | it's only bad practice if you plan to install a package that has a binary of the same name. |
| 23:37.48 | leoni | i see |
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| 23:41.18 | leoni | @sney the binary im trying to place at /usr/local/bin has the same name as a package |
| 23:41.30 | leoni | however im not planning on using the official package, is that bad practice still? |
| 23:41.41 | sney | no, that's fine. that's what a lot of people do with e.g. certbot |
| 23:41.53 | sney | also, don't @ people on irc. most clients ignore that kind of highlight. |
| 23:42.01 | leoni | right |
| 23:42.54 | leoni | alright sney thank you for the help |
| 23:42.58 | sney | np |
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| 23:55.20 | zerocode | how can i install grub-efi only |
| 23:55.22 | zerocode | but there is not grub-efi cmd [pkg] in system |
| 23:55.25 | zerocode | and /boot/efi is empty |
| 23:56.18 | sney | empty, or nonexistent? |
| 23:58.32 | sney | also, grub-efi is " a dummy transitional package that depends on either grub-efi-ia32 or grub-efi-amd64" so having the former package alone doesn't tell you anything about the files on your disk |