| 00:02.19 | zerocode | remove all is it |
| 00:02.22 | zerocode | everything |
| 00:02.31 | zerocode | just i want to install new grub-efi only |
| 00:02.58 | zerocode | only cfgs exists in /etc/default/grub and grub.d dir |
| 00:03.11 | zerocode | becouse i have changed legacy/bios to legacy/uefi |
| 00:03.42 | zerocode | but first legacy/bios have been legacy only non-gpt |
| 00:03.46 | zerocode | but for Windows |
| 00:03.56 | zerocode | there is win10 in sda |
| 00:04.06 | zerocode | i want to install fresh grub-efi there in /dev/sda |
| 00:04.13 | zerocode | and then to run grub-mkconfig |
| 00:04.51 | zerocode | but at now there is no grub |
| 00:04.53 | zerocode | thats all |
| 00:05.06 | zerocode | and reboot will be fail |
| 00:06.04 | sney | you... migrated a legacy install to a machine that only supports efi, and you want to convert it? |
| 00:07.24 | zerocode | it's converted |
| 00:07.33 | zerocode | only needs at now boot configuer |
| 00:07.35 | zerocode | configure |
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| 00:10.10 | zerocode | grub-install: error: /boot/efi/modinfo.sh doesn't exist. Please specify --target or --directory. |
| 00:11.03 | tomreyn | that's a lot more context than oyu preovided when you asked this question in #ubuntu at thew same time. |
| 00:14.12 | tomreyn | doh, sorry about my spelling. |
| 00:14.22 | zerocode | sney i think it's fixed |
| 00:14.26 | zerocode | with mount |
| 00:14.29 | sney | ok |
| 00:14.34 | zerocode | :) |
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| 02:48.01 | alex11 | does anyone know how emacs packaging in debian works? do point releases tend to upgrade the built-in packages? |
| 02:48.24 | alex11 | i guess probably not |
| 02:50.37 | sponix | alex11: people still use emacs ? |
| 02:51.01 | joepublic | lots of people still use emacs. dozens, perhaps hundreds. |
| 02:51.38 | sponix | lol |
| 02:52.05 | sponix | my boss still uses a tape driving adding machine too |
| 02:52.17 | sponix | loves to tap around on that thing all day pretending it is important :P |
| 02:52.59 | rk4 | i'd switch away from emacs if something else had as many features :) |
| 02:53.28 | joepublic | I think nasa flight control may be what you are looking for. |
| 02:54.05 | rk4 | [sure it was slow in the 'eight megabytes and constantly swapping' day, but i think i can handle the RAM requirements today] |
| 02:54.12 | sponix | rk4: nothing will EVER have THAT many FEATURES lol |
| 02:54.15 | sney | I met a guy in the early 00s who claimed his rescue boot disk was just a kernel and init=/bin/emacs |
| 02:54.48 | sponix | sney: static bin of emacs -- sure, seems legit :) |
| 02:55.07 | sponix | emacs does make a GREAT OS... I just think it sucks for editing text :) |
| 02:55.10 | ryouma | dunno what one does to staticify emacs, but if you can, that sounds perfect |
| 02:56.19 | rk4 | alex11: might want to check out the debian requirements for a package update to make it into stable, it's pretty stationary |
| 02:56.25 | sney | it would have been a 1.44M floppy back then, too. idk. |
| 02:56.33 | sney | I never followed up |
| 02:56.33 | ryouma | alex11: idk, but i think there is a debian project to deal with such things. presumably the packages get upgraded with emacs as necessary or desired. |
| 02:57.17 | ryouma | alex11: you can try #emacs |
| 02:57.28 | sney | debian's seems to be managed here https://salsa.debian.org/rlb/deb-emacs |
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| 03:03.46 | alex11 | yikes, remind me not to ask any more emacs questions |
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| 03:04.39 | alex11 | (though yeah i'm interested in emacs for just about everything but editing text) |
| 03:04.56 | alex11 | (currently. that may change.) |
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| 03:07.46 | ryouma | you can ask a vi or libreoffice question on #emacs if you want. you will probalby just get the answer. :) |
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| 03:08.27 | joepublic | well, sure, both are supported within emacs, iirc |
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| 03:14.50 | ryouma | libreoffice is not yet supported in emacs :] |
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| 03:37.30 | alex11 | GNU/Linux/Emacs Debian |
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| 03:54.19 | rk4 | does the debian-live or installer cd/dvd have screen|minicom? |
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| 04:00.12 | rk4 | seems my best bet might to be download and run in a VM to see :< |
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| 04:23.20 | leoni | exit |
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| 06:08.31 | jaami | Hi, what i should do to get mu blutooth handfree listed in the list of sound output devices? |
| 06:09.10 | sponix | jaami: try pairing it to the rig with blueman or whatever that bluetooth gui app thing is |
| 06:10.38 | jaami | it worked once but that happened by chance when i was trying different ways. i know i can do it again but that takes long time. i need to know exactly in what case it will work |
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| 06:12.52 | jaami | i am not sure what is the issue. seems like if GUI sometimes work |
| 06:13.51 | jaami | i was thinking that if someone help i can use script that always work |
| 06:14.47 | jaami | sponix, is it mandatory to push some button on handfree to make it available for pairing? |
| 06:15.28 | jaami | there are 4 buttons, Power, +, - and play |
| 06:15.53 | sponix | jaami: most devices have a "pairing mode" that either just kicks on for a few seconds when the device is power on, or by way of some button pushing etc |
| 06:16.29 | jaami | oh okay, i guess if i try i can do it. |
| 06:16.29 | sponix | jaami: and the computer has a pairing/discovery also -- again with only a certain time. So you get to play the time game to get them both going to mate up |
| 06:16.38 | sponix | Welcome to the fun of bluetooth |
| 06:16.54 | jaami | Thank you |
| 06:17.58 | rk4 | i'll be honest, i plug my bluetooth things into debian with 3.5mm jack :\ |
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| 06:21.36 | jaami | rk4, strange. why not USB? |
| 06:22.14 | jaami | bluetooth in my desktop is external USB like device |
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| 06:23.37 | jaami | mobile phones connect to handfree in few seconds without any issue. That is how i want my debian to connect |
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| 06:24.34 | sponix | good luck with that |
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| 06:27.31 | rk4 | jaami: fair question, i started using linux 20 years ago, sound didn't work so i sat a radio next to the computer. then eventually i got sound working with OSS and i never moved past 3.5mm jacks |
| 06:28.02 | rk4 | generally speaking i set low expectations for hardware working, and thus avoid frustration :) |
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| 06:38.46 | jaami | :) low expectation for hardware working mostly end up on changing device because and it happened yesterday, i bought BT 5.0 and it was not detected on old 2008 desktop. replaced it with BT 2.0 and it was detected. |
| 06:41.18 | jaami | here in local market device makers use cheap material and then stamp it with China |
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| 06:55.59 | jaami_ | rk4, what OSS stand for? |
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| 07:02.06 | nkuttler | !oss |
| 07:02.07 | dpkg | rumour has it, oss is an acronym for Open Source Software, coined by Vinod Valloppillil in the first <Halloween> document. Also an acronym for Open Sound System, ask me about <oss4>; for OSS compatiblity in <ALSA>, ask me about <aoss>, <devdsp>. |
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| 08:26.21 | Alexthek1d | Hello, i sleep next to my raspberry and thought i had disabled wifi for years. But i am not sure now. How can i check the status of the wifi module per ssh? |
| 08:26.27 | Alexthek1d | i hope it is disabled :o |
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| 08:27.52 | Alexthek1d | ifconfig only shows "dummy0", "eth0" and "lo" Is that enough to know that it is disabled? |
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| 08:30.30 | Alexthek1d | 0: phy0: Wireless LAN |
| 08:30.30 | Alexthek1d | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:30.30 | Alexthek1d | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:30.30 | Alexthek1d | 1: hci0: Bluetooth |
| 08:30.30 | Alexthek1d | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:30.43 | Deknos | is there a k/v database or document database software in the debian repositories? |
| 08:30.49 | Alexthek1d | sorry didnt want to flood |
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| 08:32.26 | Alexthek1d | i think it it disabled |
| 08:32.34 | Alexthek1d | but i can't find the entry |
| 08:32.37 | ansimita | Alexthek1d: ask over at #raspberrypi ? |
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| 08:34.28 | Alexthek1d | ok ansimita |
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| 08:36.11 | shtrb | Should there be a dbus service running on a user level for kde ? |
| 08:36.19 | shtrb | or only system level ? |
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| 08:42.15 | rk4 | Deknos: sure, there ought to be a few |
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| 08:42.31 | rk4 | Deknos: eg: redis |
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| 09:01.48 | JarSs | why am I awake. |
| 09:02.37 | wigums | cuz reasons |
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| 09:06.30 | Deknos | rk4, i always thought redis is more a persistant cache? |
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| 09:07.27 | JarSs | I was actually trying to find a privacy related channel but it's all invite only. But actually I'm supposed to be in bed. actually. |
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| 09:16.41 | rk4 | Deknos: it is what you make of it, i notice https://github.blog/2017-01-10-moving-persistent-data-out-of-redis/ |
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| 09:17.01 | rk4 | Deknos: good ol postgres can work fine as a kv store too :) |
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| 09:19.05 | rk4 | Deknos: you haven't given anyone much to go on, berkeleydb ma for all we know be a fine choice |
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| 10:00.31 | eth01 | hi, i've got a rather strange issue where there is a delays with my caps lock, so I get things like HEllo and PIzza or FReenode, etc - I have had the same issue now with two different keyboards, any ideas? |
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| 10:05.43 | eth01 | i fixed it with this: https://github.com/nitrogenous/Remove-Caps-Lock-Delay/blob/master/rm-delay.sh |
| 10:06.03 | Deknos | rk4, i thought of something like a replacement for mongodb, since that is not in current debian releases |
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| 10:11.41 | rk4 | Deknos: i see, mongo doesn't exactly have the best reputation [eg: https://www.infoq.com/news/2020/05/Jepsen-MongoDB-4-2-6/] - what are you going to use this kv store for? |
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| 10:14.43 | fireba11 | mongo is too hipster-tech :-D |
| 10:16.18 | rk4 | fireba11: yes but i need WEBSCALE |
| 10:17.51 | fireba11 | pokes it with a stick |
| 10:19.15 | rk4 | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=916107 mongodb: MongoDB should not be part of a stable release |
| 10:19.16 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/916107 in src:mongodb (closed): «mongodb: MongoDB should not be part of a stable release»; severity: serious; opened: 2018-12-10; last modified: 2020-03-23. |
| 10:19.40 | EdePopede | ,v couchdb |
| 10:19.41 | judd | No package named 'couchdb' was found in amd64. |
| 10:19.42 | Deknos | rk4, fireba11, for example greylog uses mongodb :( |
| 10:19.43 | EdePopede | hm |
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| 10:20.07 | Deknos | i would prefer if greylog uses only postgres/mariadb/mysql but since this is not the case... |
| 10:20.27 | Deknos | graylog |
| 10:21.13 | EdePopede | eth01: any idea where it comes from? i mean you fixed it, but it shouldn't happen anyway, also i don't have it though some other weird timing related behaviour |
| 10:22.10 | eth01 | EdePopede: am I the only person who uses cap lock? most people seem to use shift!? |
| 10:22.23 | rk4 | Deknos: wait...so you /need/ mongodb? |
| 10:22.40 | eth01 | I find using shift really odd, I was taught to use caps lock, so I find it difficult to change |
| 10:23.03 | EdePopede | eth01: yea, i wasn't sure already, why... unless your keys may be broken or so. would sticky keys be a solution just in case you can only press one key at a time? |
| 10:23.05 | rk4 | i use shift, and when i'm not lazy rebind capslock to ctrl |
| 10:23.33 | EdePopede | odd, you're the first person i meet saying this |
| 10:23.58 | eth01 | EdePopede: I've had the same issue with two brand new keyboards both completely different brands so doubt that it is faulty, I also recall iirc having the same issue on archlinux once a few years ago |
| 10:24.08 | eth01 | I must be using too up to date hardware? |
| 10:24.17 | EdePopede | heh, maybe training it on an old mechanical typewriter could help you changing should you want it *g* |
| 10:24.38 | EdePopede | it's a bit more work to lock the whole thing on them than just pressing shift ;) |
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| 10:25.46 | EdePopede | do you have something in your efi/bios where you could enter some text? (not password field, i'm sure it would only show stars) |
| 10:25.59 | EdePopede | just to get around any possible OS cause |
| 10:27.24 | eth01 | good suggestion, will give it a go when I next reboot :) |
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| 10:49.37 | Deknos | rk4, no, just an example (where i currently use it with docker..) where other services which i use, use such a store. sometimes it is easier do convince developers using software, which is in a standard debian repository, when/if anyone comes up again and wanna have a nosql db in their project... |
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| 10:49.57 | Deknos | for some reason it's hard for them to imagine to use postgres for that >.< |
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| 11:12.05 | GNU\colossus | ,v mutt |
| 11:12.07 | judd | Package: mutt on amd64 -- jessie: 1.5.23-3; jessie-security: 1.5.23-3+deb8u3; stretch: 1.7.2-1+deb9u3; stretch-proposed-updates: 1.7.2-1+deb9u3; stretch-security: 1.7.2-1+deb9u3; buster-security: 1.10.1-2.1+deb10u2; buster: 1.10.1-2.1+deb10u3; bullseye: 1.14.6-1; sid: 1.14.6-1 |
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| 11:12.10 | GNU\colossus | ,v neomutt |
| 11:12.11 | judd | Package: neomutt on amd64 -- buster: 20180716+dfsg.1-1+deb10u1; buster-security: 20180716+dfsg.1-1+deb10u1; bullseye: 20200626+dfsg.1-1; sid: 20200626+dfsg.1-1 |
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| 11:13.06 | BCMM | where should one report file collision bugs? under whichever package changed most recently? |
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| 11:15.27 | BCMM | (also, any ideas why collisions are not just automatically detected when packages are produced by the autobuilders?) |
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| 11:18.37 | oxek | BCMM: which packages/files collide? |
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| 11:27.54 | abrotman | and whihc version of debian |
| 11:27.54 | BCMM | oxek: fonts-sil-gentiumplus and fonts-sil-gentiumplus-compact |
| 11:28.05 | BCMM | it looks like there's already a bug filed, though |
| 11:28.24 | BCMM | (reportbug is somehow better at searching for bugs than i am) |
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| 11:29.19 | oxek | reportbug can search for bugs? I didn't know. Never got reportbug working for reporting bugs. |
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| 11:31.03 | abrotman | oxek: I thought you oculdn't submit? it'll search before it gets to that part? |
| 11:32.10 | oxek | abrotman: if it searched, it probably didn't find any relevant bugs to show me and skipped that stage |
| 11:32.35 | oxek | I'll try out the search functionality of it, it looks useful - the web search for debian bugs is atrocious |
| 11:33.13 | abrotman | oxek: it shows you bugs on the package, not related to your particular issue |
| 11:34.08 | oxek | I probably remember it wrong, it was over a month ago that I last tried reportbug |
| 11:34.25 | BCMM | oxek: yeah, if there are outstanding bugs for the package name you entered, it shows them to you and asks you to check your bug isn't already there |
| 11:34.49 | abrotman | which is great when reporting a bug against a package with lots of bugs :( |
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| 12:00.09 | alex11 | IMO it's almost not worth the time |
| 12:00.31 | alex11 | you may as well get the bug people to merge it if the one you're submitting already is |
| 12:00.39 | alex11 | nobody has time to sift through 80+ reports to avoid duplicates |
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| 12:01.41 | flayer | indeed, and that's why half of those 80+ are duplicates |
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| 12:06.08 | Lope | I want to try a new kernel on buster, what package should I select? |
| 12:06.33 | Lope | I see 4 kernels starting with: linux-image-5.8.0-0.bpo.2- |
| 12:06.48 | alex11 | the architecture you're on |
| 12:06.58 | Lope | I'm on amd64 |
| 12:07.04 | alex11 | then it's amd64 |
| 12:07.15 | Lope | There's cloud debug and non-cloud |
| 12:07.22 | Lope | then there's dbg and unsigned |
| 12:07.32 | alex11 | oh. that i don't know |
| 12:07.34 | rk4 | abrotman: out of curiousity, when did you first join this room? must be over a decade[?] |
| 12:07.37 | Lope | 4 amd64 kernels to choose from |
| 12:08.08 | Lope | also, I find it a bit strange that there isn't a meta package that will track the latest 5.8 kernel |
| 12:08.13 | jelly | rk4, I've seen him in here since about 2001 or so |
| 12:08.13 | Lope | or 5.7, etc. |
| 12:08.57 | rk4 | another name i recognise from years ago! |
| 12:09.09 | dvs | Lope, yes, there is a metapackage. |
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| 12:09.31 | dvs | ,v linux-image-amd64 |
| 12:09.32 | judd | Package: linux-image-amd64 on amd64 -- jessie: 3.16+63+deb8u2; jessie-security: 3.16+63+deb8u7; stretch-security: 4.9+80+deb9u6; stretch: 4.9+80+deb9u11; stretch-backports: 4.19+105+deb10u4~bpo9+1; buster: 4.19+105+deb10u6; buster-backports: 5.7.10-1~bpo10+1; bullseye: 5.8.10-1; sid: 5.8.10-1; experimental: 5.9~rc6-1~exp1 |
| 12:09.36 | alex11 | yeah just install that |
| 12:09.49 | alex11 | apt install linux-image-amd64 -t buster-backports |
| 12:10.43 | jelly | Lope, also, if any of your hardware requires non-free firmware, make sure to upgrade firmware packages to backported ones in tandem with the kernel |
| 12:10.48 | Lope | dvs, that's the old kernel. |
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| 12:11.13 | Lope | jelly, okay, will give that a go |
| 12:11.28 | Lope | jelly: cloud/non-cloud dbg/unsigned which should I use? |
| 12:11.29 | dvs | Lope, buster-backports: 5.7.10-1~bpo10+1 |
| 12:11.57 | alex11 | linux-image-amd64 are both metapackages (with the same name) but in buster and buster-backports they're different releases |
| 12:12.09 | jelly | Lope, do you have a VM or bare metal hardware? |
| 12:12.11 | alex11 | so you specify backports with -t |
| 12:12.11 | Lope | alex11, oh wow, thanks |
| 12:12.15 | Lope | metal |
| 12:12.18 | Lope | and a VM |
| 12:12.21 | jelly | then not cloud. |
| 12:12.26 | Lope | alex: gotcha |
| 12:12.34 | Lope | oh, so a cloud kernel is for a VM? |
| 12:12.48 | Lope | then should I choose dbg or unsigned? |
| 12:12.52 | jelly | neither |
| 12:12.54 | Lope | I'm not going to be debugging the kernel. |
| 12:13.09 | Lope | okay, I'll try the meta package. |
| 12:14.47 | lesless | Folks, what's this error is about `The value 'buster-pgdg' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the sources` ? I'm trying to install PG through https://github.com/ANXS/postgresql |
| 12:15.02 | Lope | jelly, alex11: let's say I DO want to try the 5.8 kernel, should I choose unsigned or dbg? |
| 12:15.31 | rk4 | Deknos: i'd personally nudge people towards postgres, perhaps with jsonb! but people should carefully pick their datastores, and have a copy of ddia on their desks :) |
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| 12:16.58 | Lope | what do you guys think of sid for a homelab hypervisor? |
| 12:17.03 | Lope | stable enough? |
| 12:17.46 | Lope | It seems like if it's only running a handfull of basic packages that everything should work. |
| 12:17.51 | rk4 | not for my homelab, but maybe for yours |
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| 12:18.37 | Lope | sid isn't bleeding edge right, there's unstable which is the bleeding one? |
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| 12:19.07 | dvs | Lope, sid is unstable |
| 12:20.01 | Lope | what does unsigned mean, when you look at linux-image-5.7.0-0.bpo.2-amd64-unsigned |
| 12:20.30 | dvs | Lope: it means that it is not designed to work with SecureBoot |
| 12:21.15 | Lope | ok |
| 12:23.43 | Lope | I see my nvidia and realtek are having dkms trouble, will see if there are newer packages |
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| 12:29.12 | Lope | brb |
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| 12:33.14 | BCMM | lesless: any chance you have something weird in /etc/apt/preferences? |
| 12:33.40 | lesless | It's a GCloud VM - weird is their mother's name |
| 12:35.08 | j`ey | is there a particular way to start systemd-timesyncd.service ? or something else I should be using on debian? |
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| 12:35.20 | j`ey | I 'systemctl start'd it, but it doesnt show in status |
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| 12:36.34 | Lope | my USB keyboard etc doesn't work with the 5.8 kernel. I've got a Z87 chipset. |
| 12:36.42 | Lope | Haswell i5 4th gen |
| 12:37.32 | Lope | Is there some sort of USB DKMS thing that I need lol? |
| 12:37.48 | Lope | I've never been aware of such a thing. |
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| 12:39.09 | Lope | looks like maybe a usb bug in 5.8 https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=257963 |
| 12:42.54 | Lope | Think I'm having a blonde moment, I accidentally installed the cloud kernel hahahaha |
| 12:43.12 | Lope | No wonder USB didn't work. |
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| 12:48.01 | Lope | brb |
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| 12:51.57 | Lope | okay, everything works on 5.8. USB, Nvidia, ethernet, zfs, usb audio, webcam, etc. |
| 12:53.13 | rk4 | is this still your homelab hypervisor |
| 12:53.21 | Lope | yep |
| 12:53.33 | Lope | Not going to hassle with upgrading to sid for now |
| 12:53.45 | Lope | it's much easier to "try a kernel" than upgrade to sid. |
| 12:53.53 | Lope | if you need to roll back. |
| 12:54.30 | Lope | just thought I'd try 5.8 because yolo |
| 12:56.09 | abrotman | rk4: roughly 20 years ago, maybe 18? it's been a long time :) |
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| 12:58.00 | rk4 | i like the stability of freenode/irc, everything else changed, iterated through different chat protocols, but here we still are :> |
| 12:58.38 | abrotman | rk4: debstats first records me Nov 2003. (It only goes back to January 2003) |
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| 13:00.10 | abrotman | Heh, looking at debstats, in Dec 2003, I'm recorded as saying: "i'd like to know how greycat seems to never flip out on anyone" |
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| 13:02.07 | joepublic | It's the plonk method. super-liberating. |
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| 13:03.02 | EdePopede | accumulating? |
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| 13:25.16 | NetTerminalGene | ,v thunderbird |
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| 15:03.15 | jmd | Can anyone recommend a standalone tool to verify html ? |
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| 15:06.05 | JPT | jmd: Not sure if that tool can accomplish what you want, but i found this: https://html-validate.org/usage/cli.html |
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| 15:12.36 | jmd | JPT: The web page looks promising. Sadly it's not in debian :( |
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| 15:13.18 | JPT | I didn't expect to find any tools at all. Afaik, only XHTML can be properly validated against its XML schema. |
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| 16:14.28 | lt | modprobe -r snd_hda_intel |
| 16:14.28 | lt | modprobe: FATAL: Module snd_hda_intel is in use. |
| 16:14.47 | lt | how to remove and reload snd_hda_intel ? |
| 16:15.21 | lt | which in fact not in use by any application, maybe by other modules |
| 16:17.48 | sney | if you do 'lsmod |grep snd' you will see the sound modules loaded and which are dependent on each other |
| 16:18.41 | sney | why are you trying to unload snd_hda_intel? |
| 16:19.14 | antto | ,v kicad |
| 16:19.15 | judd | Package: kicad on amd64 -- jessie: 0.20140622+bzr4027-3; stretch: 4.0.5+dfsg1-4; stretch-backports: 5.0.2+dfsg1-1~bpo9+1; buster: 5.0.2+dfsg1-1; stretch-backports-sloppy: 5.1.6+dfsg1-1~bpo9+1; buster-backports: 5.1.6+dfsg1-1~bpo10+1; bullseye: 5.1.7+dfsg1-1; sid: 5.1.7+dfsg1-1 |
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| 16:24.27 | lt | sney: the sound is breaking up while I'm playnig music |
| 16:25.27 | lt | sney: dell laptop sound card proved to be very problematic combination with debian |
| 16:25.44 | lt | all issues specially when insert and/or eject headsets |
| 16:26.02 | lt | everytime I must go alsamixer enable bla bla bla etc.. |
| 16:27.00 | sney | if you're using alsamixer, it sounds like you already disabled pulse? |
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| 16:31.47 | sney | pulseaudio can cause some of the issues you describe, particularly https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PulseAudio/Troubleshooting#Glitches,_skips_or_crackling |
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| 17:26.03 | lt | sney: I'm not sure how to use/disable/enable pulseaudio.. never understood it |
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| 17:31.37 | lt | besides all crapy hessing I get into the headsets |
| 17:31.43 | lt | :(( off |
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| 17:39.45 | akp55_ | hello, i am trying to use podman to run a postgres container. i want to be able to give it a local directory to use for storage, but i am having trouble understanding how to map my user to the container user. i've read the containers on arch for podman and lxc (as suggested by some people here), but it feels like the subuid and subgid aren't really explained |
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| 17:42.44 | nkuttler | akp55: you probably want #podman |
| 17:42.56 | akp55 | i've tried there for about 2 weeks now |
| 17:43.27 | akp55 | they just ignore my question |
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| 17:46.25 | nkuttler | akp55: not familiar with podman, but in docker i always build the container app env with the host user id |
| 17:46.45 | akp55 | i'm using a bitnami postgresql |
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| 18:25.45 | tramplefoot | this might not be the best channel to ask this but |
| 18:26.01 | tramplefoot | is there a freedoom equivalent for hexen or heretic? |
| 18:26.41 | tramplefoot | like a DFSG-conform clone of any id Software game |
| 18:28.11 | EdePopede | tramplefoot: i found some packages, let me look |
| 18:28.25 | sney | there are a few dfsg doom engines |
| 18:28.51 | sney | some of the original DOOM wads are available in non-free, too |
| 18:28.53 | tramplefoot | well id's own engine is also dfsg-conform |
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| 18:29.01 | EdePopede | tramplefoot: atm the menu button i created contains some Chocolate $Game entries, then prboom, FreeDM, FreeDoom |
| 18:29.01 | tramplefoot | im lookin for wads mostly |
| 18:29.11 | sney | ,i doom-wad-shareware |
| 18:29.14 | judd | Package doom-wad-shareware (non-free/games, optional) in buster/amd64: Shareware game files for the 3D game Doom. Version: 1.9.fixed-2; Size: 1714.7k; Installed: 4148k |
| 18:29.30 | EdePopede | aren't there also TONS of user-created WADs? |
| 18:29.42 | sney | yes. dunno if any are in the archive |
| 18:29.45 | tramplefoot | those are mostly pwads |
| 18:30.00 | tramplefoot | they modify the game only |
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| 18:30.09 | tramplefoot | im looking for a full conversion like freedoom |
| 18:30.17 | tramplefoot | you don't need shareware doom to play freedoom |
| 18:30.49 | tramplefoot | openarena is basically freedoom for quake 3 for example |
| 18:30.53 | tramplefoot | ,i openarena |
| 18:30.54 | judd | Package openarena (games, optional) in buster/amd64: fast-paced 3D first-person shooter. Version: 0.8.8+dfsg-2; Size: 941.4k; Installed: 4874k; Homepage: http://openarena.ws/; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/openarena |
| 18:31.29 | jmcnaught | Did you look at the doomsday and uhexen2 packages? |
| 18:31.40 | EdePopede | iirc the full WADs are the lincensed thing with the shareware versions being OK, while the engine is GPL'd now but not including the original sound code |
| 18:32.00 | tramplefoot | ,i uhexen2 |
| 18:32.01 | judd | Package uhexen2 (contrib/games, optional) in buster/amd64: Hexen II - engine package. Version: 1.5.9+dfsg-1; Size: 954.7k; Installed: 3533k; Homepage: http://uhexen2.sourceforge.net/ |
| 18:32.07 | tramplefoot | thats in contrib, alright |
| 18:32.17 | tramplefoot | that doesn't supply any data files though, right? |
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| 18:33.12 | tramplefoot | oh darnit |
| 18:33.34 | jmcnaught | There is a uhexen2-common package too, it has some files in a maps directory but I don't see any wad files |
| 18:33.41 | tramplefoot | there was a project for a floss hexen clone |
| 18:33.48 | tramplefoot | and even a floss heretic clone |
| 18:34.03 | tramplefoot | very creatively named zauberer and blasphemer |
| 18:34.12 | tramplefoot | both of them were discontinued |
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| 18:41.50 | Lope | I did some testing with the 5.8 kernel on buster with KDE desktop |
| 18:42.00 | Lope | am I supposed to run a backported version of KDE? |
| 18:42.07 | alex11 | kde isn't backported |
| 18:42.09 | alex11 | ever |
| 18:42.31 | Lope | Because it worked fine, but when I let the PC idle for a long time and came back, I had an old-style X window saying that dbus couldn't synchronize with whatever. |
| 18:42.40 | Lope | And basically I had to restart the sddm service. |
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| 18:43.00 | Lope | Not the end of the world, but not really stable. |
| 18:43.25 | Lope | So, I'm trying the backport linux-image-amd64 5.7 kernel now. |
| 18:43.55 | Lope | I was using it with the backported nvidia driver. |
| 18:44.09 | alex11 | is there any reason you need a newer kernel or are you just testing |
| 18:44.19 | Lope | just testing / yolo |
| 18:44.20 | alex11 | backports are provided as a as-needed thing |
| 18:44.32 | Lope | I've read that 5.8 has "better performance" |
| 18:44.37 | alex11 | most people will find the software in Stable suitable |
| 18:44.40 | Lope | I see better performance, I press enter. |
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| 18:46.23 | alex11 | some components of kde are backported but no, it's too big to backport itself |
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| 18:46.45 | alex11 | your dbus error thing is a kernel issue, not a "i have the wrong kde version"... probably |
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| 18:53.30 | Lope | Yeah I saw other people posting about the same dbus sync error with KDE on 5.8 in arch-linux. |
| 18:53.45 | Lope | So I think you're likely right about it being a kernel issue. |
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| 18:54.26 | Lope | On the other hand I put 5.8 kernel with KDE on my laptop, but that's using the kernel's built in open source nvidia driver. |
| 18:54.45 | Lope | I let that idle for the same period and that didn't give the dbus sync error. |
| 18:54.55 | Lope | Obviously a not conclusive test. |
| 18:55.03 | Lope | #JustSaying. |
| 18:55.24 | Lope | ratrace, have you tried btrfs? |
| 18:56.03 | Lope | I was wondering if I could use btrfs instead of ZFS for a mirror storage server. |
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| 18:56.17 | Lope | Currently the storage server has a 3 disk mirror with ZFS |
| 18:56.32 | Lope | I see btrfs doesn't support 3 disk mirrors. |
| 18:56.49 | Lope | in the sense of making 3 copies of the data. |
| 18:58.28 | sney | afaik btrfs and zfs are pretty comparable. if you were making a new deployment and wanted to have cow fs features without any out-of-tree license shenanigans, it'd make sense to go btrfs. |
| 18:58.40 | sney | but it doesn't make much sense to switch if you're already using one in production. |
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| 19:00.22 | EdePopede | from journalctl(1): "When outputting to a tty, lines are colored according to priority". but less leaves back the mess on the screen when used by it. so ofc `--no-pager`. but then the colors aren't used. seems to not have an option similar to --color=always? |
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| 19:04.10 | jmcnaught | EdePopede: journalctl(1) also talks about the $SYSTEMD_LESS environment variable to override options passed to less. |
| 19:05.04 | EdePopede | jmcnaught: i can use -R with less (which i usually do), it's journalctl not outputting any color codes into pipes |
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| 19:08.08 | EdePopede | jmcnaught: thus the "--color" above. works nice for `ls`, but here i don't see anything |
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| 19:46.33 | GenTooMan | I updated Debian buster and got this somewhat strange result https://paste.debian.net/hidden/1f4e4f0b/ currently my mind is rather blank so ... no hammer throws please. :D |
| 19:48.10 | sponix | GenTooMan: Drive is FULL -- main thing you need to see -> gzip: stdout: No space left on device |
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| 19:49.53 | sney | specifically, /boot is full. this can happen on systems with a separate /boot where extra kernels are being used. |
| 19:50.31 | sponix | sney: good catch |
| 19:50.38 | sney | it's occasionally possible for debian to get into this state with the default /boot size suggested by partman when using LUKS. but usually it's because there's some custom tomfoolery going on |
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| 19:56.16 | GenTooMan | hmm separate boot partition OK 245megs |
| 19:58.08 | GenTooMan | I can just delete kernel versions from the original install then without issue I assume |
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| 19:58.27 | GenTooMan | IE 0-5 0-7 0-8 0-9 ... |
| 19:58.43 | sney | yes, remove at least one older kernel that you are not currently using. |
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| 19:58.51 | sney | 'apt autoremove' may do this for you. |
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| 20:07.13 | GenTooMan | so the nouveau warnings are a non issue then? |
| 20:07.30 | sney | !warning |
| 20:07.30 | dpkg | Yerp, lots of software outputs warnings. Kernel module warnings on boot, mplayer warnings, GTK warnings, X11 warnings, build warnings, gpg warnings. Don't be scared - informative output is a GOOD THING. Consider yourself warned, and if the program works as expected, be happy. |
| 20:07.44 | sney | they're only a problem if you have video issues on nvidia hardware |
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| 20:16.59 | GenTooMan | so finished kernel update then did apt-get -t buster-backports install firmware-misc-nonfree |
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| 21:21.00 | oxek | Is there a tool in debian that can do NTS? https://blog.cloudflare.com/nts-is-now-rfc/ |
| 21:21.09 | oxek | I mean for one-off updates |
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| 21:30.35 | rander2 | hello |
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| 21:34.16 | jhutchins | oxek: The security protocols built into NTP are pretty solid. |
| 21:34.22 | hop | oxek: ntpdig in ntpsec? |
| 21:35.05 | hop | there's even an ntpsec-ntpdate package |
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| 21:41.09 | oxek | I'm already using ntpdig, it has NTS support? |
| 21:45.04 | hop | oxek: as far as i'm aware ntpdig only exists in ntpsec, so⦠|
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| 22:40.13 | kristijonas | is it not allowed to paste (paste.debian.net) the email headers which are clearly spam or is it just me? :D wanted to discuss those on ##email. but paste.debian.net asks me not to spam :/ |
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| 22:40.49 | sney | paste.debian.net is extra touchy about that one. try a different pastebin site |
| 22:40.57 | sney | if you're pasting from terminal, termbin is nice: |
| 22:40.58 | sney | !termbin |
| 22:40.58 | dpkg | you can paste to termbin.com from terminal via: cat /path/to/file | nc termbin.com 9999 |
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| 22:44.56 | kristijonas | sney, thanks! :) |
| 22:45.05 | sney | np |
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| 23:07.25 | H-var | Hi everyone! |
| 23:07.51 | H-var | Just installed Debian on 970 evo m.2 and the thing won't run |
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| 23:09.22 | H-var | 0.938359 pcieport 0000:00:1c.4: AER: PCIe bus error: Severity=Collected, your=physical Later, (receiver ID) |
| 23:10.57 | H-var | 0.938466 PCIE PORT 0000:00:1C.4: AER: device 8086:a294 error status/mask=00000001/00002000 |
| 23:11.52 | H-var | 0.938572 pcieport 0000:00:1c.4: AER 0 RxErr |
| 23:13.36 | H-var | Can you please fix this this on your playing system and make it possible for your playing system to work on modern computers? |
| 23:13.49 | H-var | system |
| 23:14.02 | H-var | Operating* system |
| 23:15.17 | jhutchins | H-var: What isn't working? |
| 23:15.41 | H-var | Those are the only 3 errors I'm seeing |
| 23:15.51 | H-var | There is nothing else on the screen right after installation |
| 23:15.53 | jhutchins | H-var: Yes, but what isn't working? |
| 23:16.03 | H-var | Debian is not working |
| 23:16.42 | jhutchins | H-var: What did you try to do? How did you try to do it? What did you expect to happen? What happened instead? |
| 23:17.03 | jhutchins | H-var: Error messages are often informational, not failures. |
| 23:17.21 | H-var | Just default installation onto the 970 evo drive Debian default dvd 10.6.0 dev |
| 23:17.41 | H-var | Just default |
| 23:17.57 | ryouma | does the drive work |
| 23:18.07 | H-var | I expect that I install the operating system and then it works |
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| 23:18.55 | jhutchins | H-var: I have 1500 servers that say it works just fine, so unless you can tell us something other than "there are errors" we can't help you. |
| 23:19.01 | H-var | Yeah, I tried playing around with q4os which is Debian based and it installed and booted super mega well |
| 23:19.10 | H-var | No issues just install and let's go |
| 23:19.28 | H-var | And Debian original is not booting up |
| 23:19.49 | jhutchins | What is the end condition of the boot process? |
| 23:19.53 | ryouma | it is stopping? |
| 23:20.21 | H-var | Yeah, those are three informational messages that I'm seeing and it stopped there |
| 23:20.44 | ryouma | i should point out that there is async in the boot messages sometimes. i have gotten confused by a pass phrase prompt that was completely obscured by subsequent messages! |
| 23:20.51 | H-var | Nothing else happens. I can't do anything, just reboot |
| 23:21.07 | jhutchins | Ah, there we are, useful information at last. |
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| 23:22.05 | jhutchins | H-var: Have you rebooted from there more than once? |
| 23:22.33 | H-var | Yes, of course - I tried rebooting like 2 other times, but it always stops there. |
| 23:22.36 | ryouma | just a long shot but did you try pressing return? |
| 23:22.53 | jhutchins | H-var: Also Esc and Ctrl-C |
| 23:22.57 | H-var | I also have windows 10 UEFI on that drive |
| 23:23.26 | jhutchins | H-var: Secure Boot and Fast Start (whatever it's called) disabled? |
| 23:23.48 | H-var | Ctrl c - no reaction esc too |
| 23:24.04 | jhutchins | Do you have a live image or rescue option on the installer? |
| 23:24.22 | H-var | Mary me check the secure boot and fast boot |
| 23:24.29 | H-var | Let* |
| 23:25.28 | H-var | Secure boot is set to other os (other option is UEFI) |
| 23:25.40 | H-var | Fast boot was enabled. I'll change to disabled |
| 23:26.52 | H-var | It didn't help. The informational messages are still the same |
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| 23:30.02 | H-var | What else can I try to do? It's just default installation from the dev dvd 10.6.0 release. Grub installed onto the main drive, encrypted LVM, 64gb sd card connected via USB 3.0, 60gb / partition, 4gb swap |
| 23:30.59 | H-var | I installed the latest q4os exactly the same way, 1:1, and it worked just fine. |
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| 23:32.00 | H-var | There is some essential hardware support missing in the default Debian. |
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| 23:35.41 | jmcnaught | H-var: I have Debian 10 (buster) installed on a Samsung 970 Evo Plus m.2 NVMe, it is working fine here and I do not get these errors. |
| 23:35.48 | H-var | So I have a main drive, 2tb m.2 evo 970, and an sd card 64gb connected via the usb 3.0 port. The Debian was installed onto the sd card from another sd card connected to yet another usb port, and then I installed grub onto the main m.2 drive where the windows 10 is |
| 23:36.03 | jhutchins | H-var: Here's the thing: the installer ran. That means Debian Linux ran on your hardware. It seems likely that something like firmwre is not there. |
| 23:36.55 | jhutchins | H-var: If you can boot to an external iso and look at the logs you might be able to find what's breaking. |
| 23:37.23 | H-var | Please note that the Debian was installed onto the sd card, not onto the m.2 drive. The grub was installed onto the latter |
| 23:37.56 | H-var | Where do I find the logs? |
| 23:38.20 | jhutchins | /var/log, dmesg, |
| 23:38.22 | H-var | Okay, I'll try to find the logs for you |
| 23:38.59 | jhutchins | H-var: Also, you could try booting to multiuser.targe - video issues are one of the most common failures. |
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| 23:39.09 | jhutchins | multiuser.target |
| 23:39.46 | H-var | I also have tails here on another sd card. I'm gonna try to mount the Debian drive |
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| 23:42.43 | H-var | I can't decrypt the drive with the passkey that I used for encryption. It was 123456 but it says wrong password. |
| 23:42.47 | H-var | smh |
| 23:43.34 | H-var | Il just try to reinstall with ext4 filesystem instead of encrypted LVM let's see if it'll help |
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| 23:49.25 | H-var | The operating system should not fail like this right from the box. You just install it, and it should just work. |
| 23:50.14 | H-var | You should not go to logs, and look, and type some crazy long commands just to make things work. It's just a sign of poor design |
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