| 00:00.44 | themill | updated |
| 00:01.02 | Lady_Aleena | themill, thank you very much! |
| 00:01.09 | Lady_Aleena | !bullseye |
| 00:01.10 | dpkg | The release following Debian 10 "Buster" is codenamed "Bullseye" (Woody's horse in Toy Story 2) and will be Debian 11. It is the current "testing" release. Remember that testing is called testing for a reason; good bug reports with patches are greatly appreciated! https://wiki.debian.org/DebianBullseye https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2020/03/msg00002.html |
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| 00:24.50 | s_ | has anyone made a utility to convert an ubuntu system back to debian? heh |
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| 00:29.16 | EdePopede | i think it's called install media :P |
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| 00:33.54 | s_ | yeah. tarring up my /home now |
| 00:35.50 | dvs | !lart s_ |
| 00:35.50 | dpkg | farts in s_'s general direction |
| 00:36.53 | EdePopede | l==f ? |
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| 00:43.11 | rander2 | hello |
| 00:44.11 | dvs | who dat? |
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| 00:44.33 | s_ | is there a debian+1 channel or similar |
| 00:44.43 | sney | !debian-next |
| 00:44.44 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also https://wiki.debian.org/IRC and https://wiki.debian.org/GettingHelpOnIrc |
| 00:47.01 | EdePopede | waiting |
| 00:47.46 | dvs | is getting ready to complete the BASIC FOR loop... |
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| 00:51.54 | s_ | interesting... on oftc |
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| 00:58.48 | s_ | wow testing still has python2 |
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| 01:03.39 | sney | debian was intending to remove python2 but some popular software refused to switch. so instead it was moved into explicit python2-* packages. python3 is still the new default. |
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| 01:08.59 | spacedust | hi |
| 01:09.29 | spacedust | im using debian in a vm, and when i send an acpi shutdown it does nothing, i should like it to shutdown when i send it a shutdown message from virt-manager |
| 01:09.38 | spacedust | how can accomplish that ? |
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| 01:13.47 | dvs | !next |
| 01:13.47 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 01:15.16 | spacedust | found this : https://michlstechblog.info/blog/debian-shutdown-when-pressing-power-button/ |
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| 01:16.39 | spacedust | aaaaaand nothing |
| 01:18.26 | spacedust | systemctl enable acpid |
| 01:18.27 | gry | lucky you, your power button works; i've got a friend whose laptop power button does nothing :) |
| 01:18.27 | spacedust | aha |
| 01:18.38 | spacedust | wow great help gry :) |
| 01:18.46 | spacedust | its a vm :D |
| 01:20.01 | spacedust | Domain debian10 is being shutdown |
| 01:20.08 | spacedust | aaaand it worked :D |
| 01:20.10 | spacedust | pffff |
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| 01:20.48 | s_ | sney: is there a way to find out what software? :) |
| 01:21.49 | sney | s_: well, one of them is chromium |
| 01:22.23 | sney | they're all tagged somewhere |
| 01:23.52 | s_ | i guess im curious if I can run a command to see what i'd need to remove to remove python 2 |
| 01:25.03 | dvs | s_ remove python2? |
| 01:25.16 | sney | here are the affected packages, apparently: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?tag=py2removal;users=debian-python@lists.debian.org |
| 01:25.17 | s_ | i suppose not---they are not required to list it as a dependency |
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| 01:36.41 | spacedust | is there a way to ask debian if it gracefully shutdown ? |
| 01:36.48 | spacedust | last time it did |
| 01:37.00 | spacedust | last time it did ? |
| 01:40.12 | s_ | journalctl -b -1 -n250 ? something like that |
| 01:40.35 | ryouma | "Specifying boot ID has no effect, no persistent journal was found" |
| 01:41.11 | spacedust | Specifying boot ID or boot offset has no effect, no persistent journal was found. |
| 01:41.14 | spacedust | thats what i get |
| 01:42.01 | jmcnaught | spacedust: /usr/share/doc/systemd/README.Debian shows how to make a persistent journal. Basically you just create /var/log/journal |
| 01:42.06 | spacedust | is there a way to tell libvirt it should wait until it shuts down ? or it does wait ... or until the wait time is off ? |
| 01:42.34 | spacedust | i addedd wait time 500 |
| 01:42.47 | spacedust | shutdown timeout 500 |
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| 01:47.13 | spacedust | considering the host reboots fairly fast even with the added time to wait for vm shutdown ... i think the vm shuts down then tells that to the host then that reboots |
| 01:47.27 | spacedust | i changed wait time to 500 |
| 01:47.32 | spacedust | just in case |
| 01:49.25 | jmcnaught | spacedust: did you look at the libvirt-guests.service unit? |
| 01:50.34 | spacedust | jmcnaught: no |
| 01:50.43 | spacedust | libvirt-guests.sh[5590]: Waiting for guest test2 to shut down, 300 seconds left |
| 01:50.44 | spacedust | kvm[5777]: 0 guests now active |
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| 01:58.48 | spacedust | jmcnaught: thanks |
| 01:58.50 | spacedust | thanks all |
| 01:59.47 | jmcnaught | spacedust: configure it with /etc/default/libvirt-guests |
| 02:01.09 | spacedust | i already configured it, was just not sure how it works :) |
| 02:01.44 | spacedust | it gets a message that its off then it continues the shutdown if its not off it will wait for the amount of time specified |
| 02:01.47 | spacedust | i guess :) |
| 02:01.55 | spacedust | correct me if im wrong |
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| 02:05.28 | jmcnaught | SHUTDOWN_TIMEOUT controls how long to wait for guests to shutdown, but it should not wait the whole default 300 seconds if all guests are shut down. |
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| 05:39.06 | Lope | so my upgrade from buster+backports to bullseye yesterday failed miserably. |
| 05:39.38 | zerocool | can you do a bond-mode 2 of two bond-mode 4's? |
| 05:40.11 | zerocool | like active/backup of two LACP |
| 05:40.18 | Lope | ratrace, as you predicted there were issues with reverting the backup over my live system. So it didn't boot. But I just connected the SSD to another system and then restored the backup with rsync. So I'm back to buster+backports |
| 05:42.41 | zerocool | oh shit yeah, you can next bonded interfaces exactly as described. |
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| 05:44.28 | Lope | a guy at #debian-next reckons you can't upgrade buster+backports to bullseye. |
| 05:45.24 | Lope | in terms of backports, I've got nvidia, realtek network DKMS, ZFS, and kernels. |
| 05:46.29 | Lope | In theory I should be able to boot an old kernel, then remove all of the above, and backports from sources, then reinstall the above, and I should be back to a pure buster? |
| 05:46.33 | ryouma | what is the normal thing to do with backports and backports sources? |
| 05:46.38 | ryouma | when dist-upgrading? |
| 05:46.40 | Lope | which should be upgradable to bullseye? |
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| 05:47.26 | Lope | ryouma, some guys here yesterday said it should upgrade fine, but my system only managed to do the upgrade, but failed to do the dist-upgrade |
| 05:47.32 | Lope | due to dependency conflicts |
| 05:47.43 | Lope | Something wanting an old version and something else wanting a new version. |
| 05:47.54 | ryouma | ah and your backports might have been one of those |
| 05:48.07 | Lope | yeah, that makes sense in theory. |
| 05:48.54 | Lope | anyway, when I'm in the mood for trouble I'll attempt to go back to stock, then attempt the upgrade again. |
| 05:49.15 | Lope | Maybe I'll even use a USB ethernet adapter so I don't need the realtek DKMS module |
| 05:49.21 | Lope | (during the upgrade) |
| 05:49.52 | Lope | perhaps I can do the upgrade without nvidia, realtek DKMS or ZFS installed. |
| 05:51.00 | Lope | This failed upgrade experience has inspired me to try btrfs instead of ext4 for my hypervisor's rootfs |
| 05:51.11 | Lope | because I'd be able to easily snapshot |
| 05:52.34 | Lope | Pretty cool to see that btrfs can be shrunk, (like ext4) |
| 05:53.00 | Lope | the ability to shrink is nice to have for a rootfs |
| 05:53.13 | Lope | (in contrast to XFS, which can only expand) |
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| 05:58.32 | ryouma | you cannot snapshot sufficiently with rsync? |
| 05:59.21 | ryouma | (as above) |
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| 05:59.45 | Lope | Well, I did "snapshot" with rsync, and it allowed me to un-break my system |
| 06:00.25 | Lope | ryouma, But it's still more of a hassle and less efficient to snapshot with ext4 and rsync than what btrfs sounds like. |
| 06:01.41 | Lope | To snapshot I made a new fs on my zfs, then rsync'd my live system into that, then created a snapshot of that zfs to protect it from a casual mistaken change. |
| 06:02.01 | Lope | But ZFS is a bit iffy on linux. Not great for backing up your rootfs. |
| 06:02.15 | Lope | if anything goes wrong with DKMS then you've got no access to ZFS |
| 06:02.28 | Lope | and need to connect your stuff to an external system that ZFS is working on. |
| 06:03.10 | Lope | I mean I could obviously have rsync'd to anything, but still, it doesn't really make sense to use ext4 if you're going to be snapshotting. |
| 06:03.15 | Lope | IMO. |
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| 06:07.56 | Lope | I know some people use ZFS for the rootfs. I've never done it. I'll probably try it at some point. It does seem like a good idea since I already use ZFS everywhere I can anyway. |
| 06:10.13 | ryouma | idk what dkms is or zfs's issues (i got annoyed with it for my purposes) and i share the interest in btrfs, but have heard mixed reports on the reliability of btrfs, is all. |
| 06:11.12 | ryouma | maybe it's ok these days, dunno |
| 06:11.40 | Lope | I heard horror stories about btrfs when I first got into linux like 8 years ago, but from what I can tell btrfs has come a very long way and is in widespread use. |
| 06:11.55 | ryouma | oh kernel modules |
| 06:11.57 | Lope | I think as long as you don't use raid5 or raid6 modes you should be rock solid. |
| 06:12.09 | Lope | Just don't do anything too weird and unusual. |
| 06:12.31 | Lope | If I did anything special with it, it would just be mirroring and snapshotting. |
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| 06:13.01 | Lope | that being said, I'm sure the raid5 and raid6 issues will get worked out. |
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| 06:13.05 | ryouma | i like the checksums too and someday those will be visible to userland maybe and then rsync can use them for speed etc. |
| 06:13.28 | Lope | additionally, you shouldn't rely on one single instance of one filesystem to keep important data. |
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| 06:13.40 | Lope | ideally you'd have your important data on zfs and on btrfs |
| 06:13.43 | ryouma | (e.g. instead of size + mtime) |
| 06:13.49 | Lope | so if either has a problem you'll be ok. |
| 06:13.54 | b4d | Hi, how can I downgrade to cyrus-imapd 3.2.2-1~bpo10+1 package, stumbled upon this bug https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=969261 Thanks! |
| 06:13.55 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/969261 in cyrus-imapd (open, moreinfo): «cyrus-imapd: the service cyrus-imapd.service refuses to start after the upgrade of cyrus-imapd.3.2.3 from cyrus-imapd.3.2.2 and a reboot»; severity: important; opened: 2020-08-30; last modified: 2020-09-26. |
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| 06:14.32 | Lope | ryouma, yeah, that would be very cool. |
| 06:17.37 | jelly | b4d, downgrade from which other version, and which debian release are you using? In general you'd find outdated versions at |
| 06:17.40 | jelly | !snapshot |
| 06:17.40 | dpkg | http://snapshot.debian.org/ is an archive of almost all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way non-free. This service replaces snapshot.debian.net. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100412 |
| 06:18.59 | ryouma | (not useful for your current issue but that would solve the fact that currently rysnc will sometimes not copy over a file that did change, because something sets mtime to the same time (a couple of debian packages do this in their files for some reason)) |
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| 06:20.01 | ryouma | (i have seen this in a perl module, a browser, and a browser's config file) |
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| 06:26.53 | b4d | jelly: 10.6 with backports, now cyrus-imapd is on version 3.2.3-1~bpo10+1 and won't start |
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| 06:40.43 | Lope | anyone here into compiling debian kernels? |
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| 06:41.39 | Lope | just trying to understand the requirements here: https://kernel-team.pages.debian.net/kernel-handbook/ch-common-tasks.html#s-common-official |
| 06:41.45 | Lope | Building binary packages for a single kernel flavour requires up to 15 GB space in the package directory and 300 MB in /tmp (or $TMPDIR). |
| 06:41.54 | Lope | Building all binary packages for i386 or amd64 currently requires about 50 GB space in the package directory. |
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| 06:42.16 | Lope | The first line says 15G |
| 06:42.20 | ryouma | you had me going there. i thought you meant the kernel. |
| 06:42.30 | Lope | I did mean the kernel. |
| 06:43.09 | ryouma | presumably this means building non-kernel packages for a kernel? (or am i just getting in the way with dumb questions here?) |
| 06:43.09 | Lope | So the first line says 15G, but the next line says 50G for "all packages" what packages is it referring to? |
| 06:43.30 | Lope | well, that's what I'm wondering about |
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| 06:43.47 | Lope | Because the subject is supposedly building the kernel. it says 15G, then it says all packages 50G |
| 06:43.57 | ryouma | packatges like drivers perhaps? |
| 06:44.01 | Lope | Surely when you build modules or drivers for the kernel, they're not called "packages"? |
| 06:45.46 | Lope | The reason I'm asking is I'm wondering if I could build the kernel inside a tmpfs with 32G RAM. |
| 06:46.11 | Lope | One way to find out hahahahah |
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| 06:49.02 | Lope | okay, I've read the page again, I think when it says "packages" it means "kernel packages" because that is in headings above. I think "kernel packages" means the .deb kernel packages that one sees in `dpkg --list | grep linux-image` `apt-cache search ^linux-image` etc. So when they say all packages, they mean compiling every debian kernel that's available for your current release. |
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| 07:00.50 | jelly | b4d, I suppose you'll have to find older backport build, who knows if going from 3.2 back to 3.0 branch is feasible at all |
| 07:01.53 | jelly | Lope, there's a dozen different flavors of kernel w/ various options and patchsets built from the same source |
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| 07:10.02 | b4d | jelly: thanks for the nudge in the right direction, I have added buster-backports point in time repo from snapshots and downgraded the affected packages, works now |
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| 07:12.10 | jelly | !win b4d |
| 07:12.10 | dpkg | Congratulations, b4d! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
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| 07:12.58 | Lope | jelly: thanks |
| 07:13.37 | Lope | b4d, when you say "downgraded" how does one downgrade from backports to a normal release of something? |
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| 07:14.37 | Lope | I need to downgrade my buster-backports stuff to buster... I was planning to just boot the old kernel, then remove --purge the backports packages, remove the backports source, update and hope the system is then fully stock. |
| 07:14.40 | jelly | Lope, they picked a slightly older backport from snapshot.d.o |
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| 07:14.52 | Lope | I see. |
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| 07:15.17 | Lope | jelly, does apt have a way to downgrade, or can you only remove and install? |
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| 07:37.32 | ratrace | Lope: you don't say.... :) |
| 07:38.00 | ratrace | Lope: you left before I could explain the problem of reverting the files under running processes, esp. if the files belong to previous versions of the processes. |
| 07:38.21 | Lope | ratrace, haha thanks bud. |
| 07:38.54 | Lope | ratrace, well, now that I destroyed my system first hand, I'll most likely remember the perils of overwriting a live running system with a backup. |
| 07:40.04 | jelly | Lope, in general no, downgrading is not supported |
| 07:40.48 | jelly | you can apt install foo=version bar=version2, but going to a lower version is never tested |
| 07:41.35 | jelly | so there is apt / aptitude syntax to do it, if that's what you asked |
| 07:41.56 | ratrace | the primary problem is with postint scripts that do changes that apt has no actions to undo. otherwise, a "downgrade", in its purest form, is like "upgrade", just a replacement of files. if there are steps in upgrade that require more than just that, the downgrade will probably break. |
| 07:42.14 | Lope | jelly, do you recomment install foo=version OR apt remove --purge foo && apt install foo ? |
| 07:44.41 | Lope | jelly, ratrace: are you familiar with the fact that ClearLinux doesn't run on CPU's older than Sandybridge and performs better than other distros? I'm wondering if I can compile the debian kernel with the same optimizations. Do you know specifically which options would relate to "only sandybridge and newer" https://github.com/clearlinux-pkgs/linux/blob/master/config |
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| 07:45.14 | Lope | Because when I've compiled kernels in the past, I've never seen any options for selecting "sandybridge and newer". Only stuff like supporting atom and via crap etc. |
| 07:45.19 | jelly | Lope, I recommend exercising caution. Usually a mail server has important configuration, can you really purge it without thinking? |
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| 07:46.04 | Lope | jelly, mailserver? i'm talking about purging nvidia, realtek eth DKMS, ZFS and backport kernels...? |
| 07:47.23 | Lope | okay, I'm looking under the "Processor type and features" section... |
| 07:49.16 | ratrace | Lope: I don't think the kernel options have much to do with cpu gen, other than enabling hardware support for things like crypto, crc, and similar |
| 07:50.01 | ratrace | Lope: otherwise yes, I know what CL is, but their performance enhancements come through compiler flags and patches to the compiler and other source that maximize usage of intel specific behaviour |
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| 07:58.27 | Lope | ratrace, oh, interesting, that concurs with my understanding. |
| 07:59.02 | Lope | ratrace, because I figured the "cpu support, etc" options in the kernel build menu were relating to what code to compile, rather than how to optimize code. |
| 07:59.44 | Lope | so if you add support for a crappy old CPU, then it just adds extra code for the old CPUs, doesn't make stuff slower when running on newer CPUs. |
| 08:00.26 | ratrace | Lope: perhaps you're talking about some options specific to the CL kernel, but that relate to compiler flags? Eg. gentoo has "experimental" patches that add on choosing cpu generation or "march=native" but that really alters the compiler options |
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| 08:01.14 | ratrace | Lope: depends what kind of "support" it is. in most cases it'll be the opposite of what you said. instruction set optimization specific to older CPUs that do not have faster/better functionality of newer CPUs |
| 08:01.19 | Lope | ratrace, can you see what/where the compiler optimizations are? https://github.com/clearlinux-pkgs/linux |
| 08:02.14 | ratrace | thoes are patches, not CONFIG_ options, I thought you talking about those. |
| 08:02.23 | Lope | ratrace, is march=native the best you can do? |
| 08:02.34 | Lope | in terms of optimizations |
| 08:02.50 | ratrace | yes |
| 08:03.03 | ratrace | but then that code is locked to that CPU (gen and model) in most cases |
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| 08:03.18 | Lope | ratrace, well, I'm open to all possibilities or how the debian kernel can be compiled to run faster on a particular system. |
| 08:04.10 | Lope | ratrace, well, I don't see a problem with compiling a unique kernel for each of my computers. it only takes a few hrs and is automated. that means when I use the computer, it'll be faster. So that's worthwhile. |
| 08:04.22 | ratrace | Lope: unfortunately there is no single solution. even if you rebult all with march=native, that in itself is only going to marginally help, maybe a few % |
| 08:05.18 | ratrace | Lope: in addition you can enable various hardware supported features of programs via their build-time config, and this mostly applies to multimedia apps that can take advantage of special instruction sets, and otherwise don't autodetect at run time |
| 08:10.06 | Lope | ratrace, this looks interesting: https://github.com/graysky2/kernel_gcc_patch I found it here: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=159077 |
| 08:11.06 | Lope | ratrace, interesting, one can do stuff like -march=haswell |
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| 08:14.04 | ratrace | Lope: yes you can specifcy the march= and mtune= as well, but if you're compiling on that CPU itself, then march=native is better |
| 08:14.51 | Lope | ratrace, thanks. Can you specity -march when you run the `make nconfig` command? https://kernel-team.pages.debian.net/kernel-handbook/ch-common-tasks.html#s-common-official |
| 08:15.33 | Lope | I've not compiled any debian kernels yet. I compiled a lot of ubuntu kernels a few years ago (had to edit source to fix a driver problem) |
| 08:16.19 | Lope | so `make nconfig -march=native` |
| 08:16.25 | ratrace | Lope: it's a CFLAG, so I'm not quite sure how to pass that to debian kernel building options |
| 08:16.50 | Lope | Previously I also used to do -j 4 for quadcore. But I've heard that the default is to use all threads now, making -j unnecessary. |
| 08:17.07 | ratrace | I don't customize Debian like that, I use Debian Stable Vanilla because Stable. For everything else I use Gentoo where all this "native" to the distro and is easy to manage |
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| 08:17.32 | ratrace | all this *is "native" |
| 08:17.36 | Lope | I've not tried gentoo yet. Do you literally compile everything in gentoo? |
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| 08:17.53 | ratrace | Lope: the package manager does. Pop in #gentoo-chat, we have cookies. |
| 08:18.02 | Lope | hahahahahah |
| 08:18.44 | Lope | ratrace, that's pretty amazing. I'm not ready to dive into gentoo. I'm still dealing with my current linux-beard. |
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| 08:18.52 | Lope | thanks for the invite though :) |
| 08:19.58 | Lope | ratrace, you know the dropbear initramfs luks thing... can gentoo do all that? |
| 08:19.59 | ratrace | Lope: "best tool for the job" and all that. if you really want to take advantage of modifying build time options for packages, then gentoo is really your best tool for that. |
| 08:20.09 | ratrace | Lope: yes it can |
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| 08:21.41 | Lope | I agree. ok cool. |
| 08:22.17 | radkos | Hello. I 'm receiving the following error while botting up the system and I have no network prior to executing manually service networking start |
| 08:22.18 | radkos | [ 5.105831] systemd[1]: network-online.target: Job networking.service/start deleted to break ordering cycle starting with network-online.target/start |
| 08:22.27 | ratrace | Lope: patches included, you just drop them into designated dir in /etc, and teh package manager slurps them in when installing a package :)) |
| 08:23.15 | ratrace | radkos: so what change to service dependencies did you make? |
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| 08:23.49 | Lope | ratrace, do you mean in gentoo you can specify -march=native in your /etc/ and then any package you install gets built with that optimization? |
| 08:24.16 | Lope | ratrace, how reliably do packages build in gentoo? |
| 08:24.39 | Lope | ratrace, when I've had to manually build stuff in linux, it only works 95% of the time. |
| 08:24.49 | ratrace | Lope: no, you add CFLAGS="-march=native" to your /etc/portage/make.conf. but I mean patches. you can add patches to software by dropping them into a designated dir and the package managers takes them in when building it. really, pop into #gentoo or #gentoo-chat, for more info :) |
| 08:24.55 | Lope | Which could be annoying if you're installing 200 packages. |
| 08:25.06 | radkos | I am just having a glusterfs mount entry in /etc/fstab nothing directly changed in service conf |
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| 08:25.16 | ratrace | radkos: and what does the entry look like? |
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| 08:25.48 | Lope | ratrace, cool :) okay will do when I'm ready for a bigger beard :) |
| 08:25.50 | ratrace | Lope: that's the problem with building on debian. when an update comes you have to repeat all of it over again, and you don't even know there's an update because you built from src deb |
| 08:25.51 | radkos | localhost:/glustervolume /etc/vol_payload glusterfs defaults,_netdev 0 0 |
| 08:26.00 | ratrace | Lope: so, really, if you want to build software... use the best tool for that :) |
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| 08:26.05 | Lope | ratrace, I agree entirely. |
| 08:26.29 | Lope | you're right. But using a slightly older kernel, luckily doesn't usually break things. |
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| 08:26.48 | radkos | do i need to remove _netdev as it seems not to be working even with it - I'm executing mount -a on reboot |
| 08:27.01 | Lope | However, my experience with running slightly older kernels was before I started using ZFS, so all bets are off. |
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| 08:27.35 | ratrace | radkos: so, like, what's your fstab line that you say is the only change you did? |
| 08:27.58 | ratrace | radkos: oh you posted it, sorry |
| 08:28.17 | ratrace | radkos: do you have anything other in fstab that might concern the network? |
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| 09:06.23 | dob1 | does the debian kernel that comes with stable support intel 9th/10th generation? |
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| 09:08.17 | dob1 | related to this: how do you use kernel images on backports that are marked with -di debian installer ? |
| 09:08.40 | ksk | dob1: why would you do so? :> I suppose these packages are not to be used as a regular kernel.. |
| 09:08.57 | ksk | just install kernel from backports if your CPU is new and you are missing some stuff (sensors most likely) |
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| 09:09.11 | dob1 | ksk, the installer will work, right? this is my concern |
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| 09:09.36 | absinthe | hello. i've been asked to upgrade a jessie server to buster, but the main issue i'm facing is that this server seems to already mix jessie/stretch repos; so im not really sure how to proceed. |
| 09:09.48 | ksk | dob1: I would expect it to work, yes. I dont know for sure though, sorry. |
| 09:10.02 | ksk | Maybe you can google which min kernel verison Intel XY does need, was not really able to do so. |
| 09:10.19 | dob1 | ksk, ok but on backports what is the name of linux kernel package? I am search linux-image but I don't find it |
| 09:10.24 | ksk | !tell absinthe jessie->stretch |
| 09:10.34 | absinthe | Id usually just upgrade to latest $version then dist-upgrade sequencially, but here... it seems i should directly jump to stretch in order to put stuff on the same level ? |
| 09:10.55 | dob1 | I am searching here https://backports.debian.org/Packages/ |
| 09:11.06 | absinthe | ksk: im not sure the command worked |
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| 09:12.46 | ksk | !tell absinthe Jessie->Stretch |
| 09:13.11 | ksk | absinthe: you are basicly on your own here, as you have created |
| 09:13.13 | ksk | !frankendebian |
| 09:13.13 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. Ask me about <reinstall> |
| 09:13.39 | ksk | What you say sounds reasonable, I dont have any idea if it will work though. Good Luck ;) |
| 09:17.09 | radkos | ratrace, I've one more bind mount before that line but it's a localfs-mount - there is nothing else which is custom |
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| 09:19.40 | ratrace | radkos: I see. I thought maybe you had something else so you entered a circular dep of network needing the part of fs that requires network. try using x-systemd.after=network-online.target instead of _netdev . |
| 09:21.58 | absinthe | ksk: thanks |
| 09:22.11 | absinthe | i'll make a backup image prio doing anything :x |
| 09:22.16 | absinthe | if my boss allows me to |
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| 09:27.18 | Lope | ratrace, I installed a 5.8 backports cloud kernel in a VM, and now sound isn't working |
| 09:27.27 | Lope | the VM shows "dummy output" as the sound device. |
| 09:27.36 | Lope | Does cloud kernel not support AC97? |
| 09:28.28 | ratrace | Lope: grep -i ac97 /boot/config-.... whatever the actual config file is |
| 09:29.49 | Lope | ratrace, thanks bud. I didn't think of searching the kernel config in /boot |
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| 09:30.20 | wrksx_ | Hey. I'm experimenting with OnVif discovery, which is a protocol for device detection on a network, and I've got firewall issues. The discovery starts with sending a UDP 'probe' on a specific multicast address, and responses are expected on the interface and port that sent the probe. I believe the firewall is blocking responses since they are coming from the IP of the devices, and not from the multicast address, which is not |
| 09:30.21 | wrksx_ | playing nicely with the 'statefulness' of the firewall. Do you have any idea how to solve that? |
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| 09:32.15 | Lope | ratrace, yeah, lol. the cloud kernel is completely missing all CODEC_SND_ |
| 09:32.28 | Lope | brb |
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| 09:40.42 | radkos | ratrace, I've tried with x-systemd. options not long ago on the same system and the networking didnt start. But I will give it another try. |
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| 09:44.10 | ratrace | radkos: but you didn't have the circular dep issue? |
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| 10:02.32 | Lope | ratrace, audio working with normal 5.8 backports kernel |
| 10:03.03 | Lope | hey guys is rsync -aAXS enough to backup some program's files perfectly? |
| 10:03.09 | ratrace | Lope: kinda makes sense, those kernels are designed for virtualized server workload where sounds is likely never gonna be needed |
| 10:03.23 | Lope | ratrace, for sure :) |
| 10:04.00 | ratrace | Lope: yes, -aAX sounds sane enough. dunno about -S, I wouldn't. |
| 10:05.02 | Lope | I've got a script that sets up a tmpfs, rsyncs data from a SSD dir to the tmpfs dir, uses it, then rsyncs it back to the dir on disk afterwards. |
| 10:05.26 | Lope | Lately somethings been going wrong where it's not backing up a lot of the data. I wonder if it's symlink related. |
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| 10:27.11 | Lope | I'm guessing perhaps the setup gets interrupted, then later it syncs the broken setup back to disk. |
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| 11:02.06 | shmoobert | is it possible to do a checksum of a /dev/? I maade an image of a dev and then tried sudo sha256sum /dev/nvmeXX and it tells me permission denied? shouldnt sudo take care of that? |
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| 11:05.42 | Lope | is it normal to have nearly 5000 files in ~/.fontconfig ? |
| 11:05.57 | Lope | Do I need this dir at all!? |
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| 11:10.09 | Lope | why do I need font configuration for my user? |
| 11:10.09 | Lope | I |
| 11:10.16 | Lope | I've never "configured a font" in my life. |
| 11:10.31 | Lope | I don't even know what "configuring a font" would involve. |
| 11:11.01 | azeem | fontconfig is a specific project, it's not abstract "font config"; not sure what's in there but it could be cache |
| 11:11.44 | azeem | Lope: which desktop environment is that? I don't have that directory on my Gnome desktop running stable |
| 11:11.49 | Lope | azeem, KDE |
| 11:11.59 | Lope | I don't understand why I need a ~/.fontconfig |
| 11:12.27 | Lope | surely I have whatever fonts I have... why do I need nearly 5000 files in my homedir regarding the configuration of fonts |
| 11:12.34 | azeem | what does "du -s -h ~/.fontconfig" say? |
| 11:12.42 | Lope | azeem, nearly 5000 files there |
| 11:12.47 | Lope | that's how I found it. |
| 11:12.48 | azeem | that's not what I asked |
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| 11:12.55 | azeem | I asked how big the dir is |
| 11:13.13 | Lope | azeem, 4.5MiB |
| 11:13.22 | azeem | that doesn't sound excessive |
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| 11:13.44 | Lope | 5000 files that I don't need seems excessive to me. |
| 11:14.38 | Lope | the reason I asked is because I've got a script that syncs my home dir. |
| 11:14.49 | Lope | I could just let .fontconfig die |
| 11:15.00 | azeem | or exclude it from your script |
| 11:15.03 | Lope | but I'm just wondering if it serves any purpose |
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| 11:40.54 | unborn | Lope: https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/fontconfig/ - Hence I guess you need them as part of your DE. 4.5 MiB is nothing regards disk space or network transfer even on net. |
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| 11:58.39 | hmuller | is ~/.profile the recommended place to set XDG base directories (excluding XDG_RUNTIME_DIR)? |
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| 12:04.01 | shtrb | Is there some ineherted problem to use at the same time an rfcomm connection for ip communitcatoin over bluetooth and passing audio via HPF(?) to pulseaudio ? If connect with rfcomm pulseaudio no longer play audio from my device. |
| 12:06.04 | jim | hi, what's the backports url? |
| 12:06.39 | jim | !backports |
| 12:06.39 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
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| 12:25.26 | jim | ok, help:) I can't run apt update... here comes the output |
| 12:25.53 | joepublic | after, presumably, adding backports? |
| 12:27.22 | jim | backports were there already |
| 12:27.31 | jim | here's apt update output https://termbin.com/ackr |
| 12:28.20 | jim | I'm also running an apt-cacher-ng instance on 172.18.1.1 |
| 12:28.37 | joepublic | so, the "Network is unreachable" seems to be an obstacle? |
| 12:28.49 | ratrace | jim: uh that's a RFC IP there... is that supposed to be on a LAN or something? |
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| 12:29.16 | jim | ratrace, yep, I have a pair of subnets |
| 12:29.38 | ratrace | jim: I mean.... is mirrors.ofc.berkeley.edu supposed to resolve to a LAN IP |
| 12:29.46 | jim | yes |
| 12:29.52 | ratrace | well something is broken there |
| 12:29.54 | jim | wait, no |
| 12:30.15 | jim | mirrors.ofc.berkeley.edu is an address at berkeley.edu |
| 12:30.23 | jim | and I can ping it5 |
| 12:30.43 | ratrace | jim: which IP does the ping show? |
| 12:30.53 | jim | one sec |
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| 12:31.42 | jim | mirrors.ofc.berkeley.edu is 169.229.226.30 |
| 12:32.14 | ratrace | jim: but why is your apt resolving it to that RFC IP... somethign's wrong in your DNS setup or apt config |
| 12:32.52 | jim | wait, it's properly resolving the berkeley.edu addr |
| 12:33.30 | jim | the 172.18 IPs are in my apt |
| 12:33.48 | ratrace | what do you mean "in my apt" |
| 12:34.10 | joepublic | <jim> I'm also running an apt-cacher-ng instance on 172.18.1.1 |
| 12:34.14 | jim | the place where my bed, bathroom and kitchen are :P |
| 12:34.35 | ratrace | joepublic: ah, missed that. welp, that's broken :) |
| 12:34.36 | jim | joepublic, yes |
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| 12:38.57 | jim | ok, when I comment out the apt-cacher config, I can update and install stuff againg |
| 12:39.00 | jim | again |
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| 12:43.34 | Mazhive | can you force a user to write a file or folder with a certain ownership |
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| 12:44.05 | Mazhive | or do i have to make a nfs share to wirte the files via nfs |
| 12:44.11 | Mazhive | write |
| 12:44.49 | ozgur | hello all I have a server and CDROM not working. it doesnt boot for USB so there is an EUFI problem. what are your suggestions? |
| 12:45.06 | ratrace | Mazhive: check directory setuid and setgid flags |
| 12:45.21 | dob1 | sorry if I insist but I really don't find the kernel package on backports, it is available? |
| 12:45.53 | ratrace | ozgur: boot in legacy/bios mode? |
| 12:46.20 | ratrace | ,v linux-image-amd64 |
| 12:46.22 | judd | Package: linux-image-amd64 on amd64 -- jessie: 3.16+63+deb8u2; jessie-security: 3.16+63+deb8u7; stretch-security: 4.9+80+deb9u6; stretch: 4.9+80+deb9u11; stretch-backports: 4.19+105+deb10u4~bpo9+1; buster: 4.19+105+deb10u6; buster-backports: 5.7.10-1~bpo10+1; bullseye: 5.8.10-1; sid: 5.8.10-1; experimental: 5.9~rc6-1~exp1 |
| 12:46.28 | ozgur | ratrace, if i turn off UEFI USB will boot legacy but this time UEFI will not boot do i have a chance to change UEFI after non-UEFI? |
| 12:46.32 | ratrace | dob1: yes, 5.7.10 for buster |
| 12:46.52 | ratrace | ozgur: you either boot in EFI mode or legacy/bios mode |
| 12:46.56 | dob1 | ratrace, sorry but how do you find it here ? https://backports.debian.org/Packages/ |
| 12:47.24 | n4dir | enter linux-image, hit enter to search, pick buster-backports in the list |
| 12:47.26 | ratrace | !backports |
| 12:47.26 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 12:47.57 | n4dir | ups, i meant packages.debian.org. |
| 12:48.05 | ozgur | ratrace, okay when i installed legacy mode and installed Debian, can i do uefi later? |
| 12:48.13 | ratrace | dob1: https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=linux-image-amd64 |
| 12:48.15 | dob1 | n4dir, I did it, I can't find it |
| 12:48.29 | ozgur | this problem when i restart i have to choose a hard drive |
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| 12:48.45 | dob1 | ok you have to search linux-image-amd64 I was searching linux-image |
| 12:48.52 | ratrace | ozgur: should be possible, but when you install debian don't forget to reserve/leave a partition that will later become ESP FAT32 |
| 12:49.03 | dob1 | but the "Only show exact matches: " makes no sense then |
| 12:49.21 | ozgur | ratrace, hm okay |
| 12:49.23 | ozgur | thanks |
| 12:49.46 | n4dir | dob1: i see. Didn't know that problem exists |
| 12:50.10 | n4dir | as in: sorry. |
| 12:54.43 | Mazhive | ratrace: thanx |
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| 13:28.32 | shmoobert | hmmmm, re-ask: is it possible to do a checksum of a /dev/? I maade an image of a dev and then tried sudo sha256sum /dev/nvmeXX and it tells me permission denied? shouldnt sudo take care of that? |
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| 13:29.18 | ksk | shmoobert: it just does not work like that. |
| 13:29.56 | ksk | okay, the internet inticates that it could work, nevermind! |
| 13:30.03 | ksk | indicates* |
| 13:30.06 | shmoobert | ah, my bad then. Any thoughts on how/if i can verify an image of a dev i made? |
| 13:30.27 | shmoobert | if you read it on the net then it must be true right :) |
| 13:30.55 | shmoobert | can i ask where you found it? I looked and didnt find anything (coulda been staring righ tiat it i guess) |
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| 13:32.50 | rk4 | you need to know the exact size |
| 13:33.23 | rk4 | read that many bytes from the device, and pipe it into sha256sum |
| 13:34.26 | shmoobert | rk4, i guess i could try that, but if i didnt (which i didnt) would it nessisarily give me that permission denied error? |
| 13:35.16 | shmoobert | I was able to dd that dev, and pv it, but when i tried to use sha with it it balked |
| 13:35.20 | rk4 | if the device and the image are the same size then you don't need to worry about the size, then you could just cat | sha256sum |
| 13:35.44 | rk4 | just have sha256sum read from stdin, it ought to |
| 13:36.19 | shmoobert | you mean cat dev | sha? (sorry am a bit of a term noob) |
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| 13:36.47 | rk4 | `cat /dev/nvmeXX | sha256sum` |
| 13:37.04 | rk4 | see how that goes |
| 13:37.18 | fling | wut |
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| 13:37.49 | greycat | unicorn:~$ sudo sha256sum /dev/sda1 |
| 13:37.49 | greycat | [sudo] password for greg: |
| 13:37.49 | greycat | 88669861652c10503485051a364d14a072c0f376e7fad6f30b6b4ede30ce8fde /dev/sda1 |
| 13:38.13 | shmoobert | rk4, permission denied? ack?! |
| 13:38.40 | greycat | The obfuscated command is a giant red flag for me. What else was not reproduced correctly? |
| 13:38.49 | greycat | Why would you have to obfuscate the device node? |
| 13:39.01 | rk4 | my nvme enumeration is classified! |
| 13:39.28 | fling | what are you guys doing? |
| 13:39.48 | rk4 | we're not really sure. |
| 13:40.12 | fling | I suggest to stop running commands on your devices ;> |
| 13:40.17 | fling | or you end up as linus |
| 13:40.53 | rk4 | but how will i collect my UUoC award |
| 13:42.38 | shmoobert | I think its working? will take awhile i guess |
| 13:42.57 | rk4 | so what was the permission defined |: |
| 13:43.19 | greycat | I'm assuming we were not given the actual failing command. |
| 13:43.46 | greycat | The failing command was probably sudo sha256sum < /dev/something but they changed it to "sudo sha256sum /dev/something" in IRC |
| 13:44.13 | ratrace | teh plot thickens! |
| 13:44.20 | greycat | All of this wasted time could be avoided if they'd just paste the actual failing command. |
| 13:45.15 | shmoobert | rk4, I think i was specifying the wrong dev :/ I was thinking it would be like nvme0 but when i did df it seems that i should have been doing nvme0n1 and it seems to be working |
| 13:45.38 | rk4 | yes but one day the episode of tech support detective will have an interesting plot twist, you'll see! |
| 13:46.19 | shmoobert | regardless, help was appreciated |
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| 13:52.50 | JordiGH | Anyone else bitten by #970730? |
| 13:52.51 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/970730 in src:spice-gtk (open, patch): «spice-gtk build-depends unsatisfiable in testing»; severity: serious; opened: 2020-09-22; last modified: 2020-09-24. |
| 13:52.58 | JordiGH | Anyone else bitten by #970830? |
| 13:52.59 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/970830 in firefox-esr (open): «Firefox 78 ESR: Can't hear other participants in Google Meet»; severity: important; opened: 2020-09-24; last modified: 2020-09-24. |
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| 13:55.56 | jelly | JordiGH, not in this channel! |
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| 13:57.40 | JordiGH | I'm pretty sure I'm not on an alsa-only system, but Google Meet definitely had no sound for me. |
| 13:57.54 | ksk | !debian-next |
| 13:57.54 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also https://wiki.debian.org/IRC and https://wiki.debian.org/GettingHelpOnIrc |
| 13:59.32 | JordiGH | 78 ESR is on stable. |
| 13:59.43 | JordiGH | Since last week or so. |
| 13:59.57 | shtrb | lol @ https://mobile.twitter.com/MaxCRoser/status/1313046638915706880 , they should have used a csv file or libre and could have avoided that |
| 13:59.59 | JordiGH | lol |
| 14:00.03 | shtrb | sorry , wrong channel |
| 14:01.17 | greycat | or an actual database |
| 14:01.41 | greycat | "the database is managed in Excel" is self-contradictory |
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| 14:02.41 | shtrb | At least it was not Access |
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| 14:05.32 | Onyx47 | greycat: I have seen a FoxPro database being managed in Excel through OLE or whatever it's called, and that was less than 5yrs ago... honestly, I'd rather take Access at that point (or, you know, go get yourself a proper DB...) |
| 14:06.25 | shtrb | Give them grep , sed , and vim , let them edit text files. |
| 14:06.57 | shtrb | or create a systemd wrapper , and send that as logs for some unit file. like nhs.unit |
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| 14:18.14 | asterismo | hi |
| 14:18.47 | asterismo | i'm trying to compile a debian kernel, and the deb generated is about 235MB in size |
| 14:18.52 | asterismo | what i'm doing wrong? |
| 14:19.58 | towo` | who should know? |
| 14:21.16 | fireba11 | hm . haven't been tempted to compile a kernel for a long time .. |
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| 14:21.44 | jak2020 | hi all |
| 14:22.00 | shtrb | asterismo, whosaid a 235 mb is too much ? |
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| 14:26.14 | jak2020 | i want to copy a file from server 1 to server 2 via commands, and every day at 6am start the copy...... i know the way is: keys any tutorial? |
| 14:26.51 | greycat | create an ssh key pair with no passphrase, and cross your fingers that nobody steals the private key, since it won't be protected by a passphrase |
| 14:28.52 | jelly | asterismo, why do you think there's something wrong? What's the Installed-Size? |
| 14:29.13 | jak2020 | first on server 1 (original) ssh-keygen -t rsa -b 4096 -C "jak2000@gmail.com" |
| 14:29.44 | jak2020 | and then ssh-copy-id copy the key from server 1 to server 2 right? |
| 14:29.49 | jelly | then ssh-copy-id server2, yes |
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| 14:30.34 | jelly | or copy/paste the .pub file contents into ~user/.ssh/authorized_keys file on server2 manually if you're already logged in |
| 14:31.03 | asterismo | i did not installed it |
| 14:31.21 | asterismo | i compiled kernels before and the deb of linux-image-xxx is about 40MB |
| 14:31.29 | asterismo | i think there is something wrong |
| 14:31.35 | jelly | asterismo, dpkg --info foo.deb |
| 14:31.44 | asterismo | given that i disabled a bunch of hardware |
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| 14:32.08 | asterismo | i deleted it now |
| 14:32.12 | asterismo | i'll compile it again |
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| 14:33.58 | jelly | okay, because it can be hard to look for causes if you delete evidence |
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| 14:36.55 | jak2020 | ok after the ssh-copy-id i test an: ssh jak@server2 and no ask any password |
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| 14:37.10 | jak2020 | testing logout from both servers.. and test again... |
| 14:37.46 | diogenes_ | out of curiosity, is there anyone who's used Debian since Debian 1.1 (Buzz) 1996? |
| 14:37.48 | shtrb | asterismo, debug ? |
| 14:37.51 | jak2020 | ooooooooooo WOR K ED! thanks |
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| 14:45.12 | jelly | diogenes_, perhaps ask on irc.debian.org in #debian |
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| 14:46.38 | diogenes_ | thanks jelly, will try. |
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| 14:52.31 | Sentinel | Hi there, all my terminal colors changed slightly after I rebooted - what caused this changed? |
| 14:52.44 | Sentinel | like the greens are a bit more blue, the orange less bright, etc |
| 14:53.26 | azeem | maybe something switched night mode on or off? |
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| 14:53.43 | Sentinel | no it's only console colors, not graphics |
| 14:53.53 | Sentinel | is there a night mode in bash? |
| 14:54.20 | greycat | bash doesn't do ANYTHING with colors except partial tab completions and even those are off by default; you mean is there a night mode in the *LINUX CONSOLE*. |
| 14:54.47 | Sentinel | yes I mean that |
| 14:54.49 | greycat | are you sure it's not a hardware issue? monitor isn't fully warmed up, or cable is loose? |
| 14:54.50 | Sentinel | what's the answer? |
| 14:54.54 | Sentinel | yes I'm sure |
| 14:55.31 | Sentinel | like... are the colors defined in a file? which package could have changed that file? |
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| 15:01.50 | Sentinel | greycat: so... is there a night mode in the *LINUX CONSOLE*? |
| 15:02.44 | greycat | Google is not giving me the results I ask for. I specify console and it keeps giving me answers for X terminal emulators. |
| 15:02.53 | Sentinel | yeah see that's why I'm here |
| 15:02.59 | jelly | Sentinel, so, just to be sure, we're talking about the linux console in eg. ctrl-alt-F2 and so? |
| 15:03.01 | greycat | Good luck finding a fellow neanderthal who uses the console who can help. |
| 15:03.29 | bertbob | setvtrgb and /sys/module/vt/parameters/default_{red,grn,blu} ?? |
| 15:03.44 | jelly | tries to remember whether there's a way to screenshot fb console |
| 15:03.45 | greycat | I still think it's a physical issue. Hardware or lighting in the room or a flaw in your eyes. |
| 15:04.25 | jelly | TIL setvtrgb |
| 15:05.16 | jelly | that would be a way to set up a "night mode" |
| 15:05.22 | greycat | Yeah, that's new to me as well. |
| 15:06.09 | Sentinel | bertbob: hmm maybe... can I see the history of these files or which packages change them? |
| 15:06.18 | greycat | read the man page |
| 15:06.34 | jelly | Sentinel, if you pastebin the output of grep . /sys/module/vt/parameters/default_{red,grn,blu} we can compare and contrast |
| 15:06.46 | Sentinel | greycat: I'm putting you on ignore, no offense |
| 15:07.21 | greycat | Happy Monday. |
| 15:07.36 | Haohmaru | o_O |
| 15:07.51 | Haohmaru | Sentinel bad choice |
| 15:08.45 | Sentinel | jelly: https://pastebin.com/bQkuQQy7 |
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| 15:09.14 | Sentinel | that's blu/grn/red |
| 15:09.19 | greycat | If anyone actually wants to see bash emit colors: bind "set colored-completion-prefix on" |
| 15:09.30 | greycat | then do a tab completion on a prefix that has multiple file matches |
| 15:11.16 | jelly | Sentinel, those seem default and not dimmed in any way |
| 15:11.29 | Sentinel | yeah, thanks |
| 15:12.59 | jelly | unlike mine on ubuntu... https://paste.debian.net/plain/1165989 |
| 15:13.23 | jelly | the debian 9 values on the office workstation match yours |
| 15:14.34 | Sentinel | huh... so ctl+alt+F3 doesn't give me a terminal anymore |
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| 15:14.43 | Haohmaru | how do you judge colors if the fonts are vector-based by default even |
| 15:14.52 | Haohmaru | unless you use huge size fonts |
| 15:14.56 | Sentinel | with my special eyes |
| 15:15.27 | Haohmaru | pics or it didn't happen. |
| 15:16.39 | sigint | To be fair when you've been looking at the same screen for years, you immediately notice when a tiny detail changes. |
| 15:16.43 | Haohmaru | maybe your whole terminal actually changed |
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| 15:17.39 | Haohmaru | sigint and then on the other hand, you may have been looking at a certain thing your whole life, and then someone points out a detail, and you hadn't noticed it before, and it's right there |
| 15:17.56 | Haohmaru | eyeballs+brain does mysterious things |
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| 15:21.45 | Sentinel | I think I'll just change the colors in gnome and call it a day |
| 15:21.53 | Sentinel | gnome-terminal I mean |
| 15:22.50 | jelly | it is much saner to use a terminal emulator in gnome than to use the console, the console is very, very slow |
| 15:23.21 | greycat | even more sane to use a terminal emulator in a standard X11 session that is not GNOME |
| 15:23.24 | jelly | or use a plain wm |
| 15:23.44 | Haohmaru | console? |
| 15:23.49 | jelly | gnome can run in wayland. X11 has issues that wayland actually fixes. |
| 15:23.57 | Sentinel | hey so any suggestions on how to troubleshoot not getting terminals on F3 through F8? |
| 15:24.06 | Sentinel | I used to... |
| 15:24.17 | Haohmaru | jelly gnome is.. uggly |
| 15:24.19 | jelly | Sentinel, do they appear after pressing enter? |
| 15:24.20 | Sentinel | now my monitor just says "no signal" and shuts off |
| 15:24.31 | jelly | okay that is weird |
| 15:24.33 | Sentinel | no |
| 15:24.48 | Sentinel | it's like they're not even there |
| 15:24.57 | jelly | is there _any_ console on any vt? |
| 15:25.09 | Sentinel | no looks like just gdm |
| 15:25.17 | Sentinel | on f1, graphics on f2 |
| 15:25.39 | Sentinel | graphics = X11 |
| 15:25.49 | jelly | Sentinel, are you perhaps using a non-free graphic driver that hates the console, like nvidia? |
| 15:25.54 | Sentinel | yeah |
| 15:26.00 | Sentinel | but it worked fine before |
| 15:26.07 | jelly | yeah, it's not consistent |
| 15:26.13 | Sentinel | I'm guessing it's a system setting though |
| 15:26.17 | Sentinel | like "enable VTs" |
| 15:26.28 | jelly | basically don't count on VT working if you use nvidia driver |
| 15:26.53 | Haohmaru | aww, crapvidia |
| 15:27.14 | jelly | sometimes they work. Sometimes the text mode isn't restored properly |
| 15:27.32 | Haohmaru | it internally tosses a coin |
| 15:27.38 | jelly | monitor switching off as if no signal suggests the latter is happening |
| 15:28.23 | Haohmaru | so the issue was actually colors in the textmode thing, not one of those GUI terminals? |
| 15:28.36 | Sentinel | no it was in a gui terminal |
| 15:28.37 | jelly | two different symptoms |
| 15:28.43 | Haohmaru | hm |
| 15:28.44 | Sentinel | sorry I was unclear earlier |
| 15:29.03 | Sentinel | I confirmed it was a gnome-terminal problem by trying xterm |
| 15:29.11 | Sentinel | but now I can't see other VTs |
| 15:29.13 | jelly | Sentinel, that's why we asked whether you were actually talking about the console, or about a terminal emulator app |
| 15:29.19 | Sentinel | yeah sorry |
| 15:29.24 | Haohmaru | coz if your default terminal was changed (this can happen as you install stuff or change settings) you may run a different terminal which has different settings.. etc.. |
| 15:29.44 | jelly | "can't see VT" is somewhat to be expected with nvidia, if you have to use it, live with it |
| 15:29.48 | greycat | Haohmaru: they were pretty adamant that they're not using X or Wayland. Pure raw console. |
| 15:30.02 | Sentinel | I don't like it :( |
| 15:30.14 | Haohmaru | greycat i didn't read carefully ;P~ |
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| 15:30.48 | jelly | greycat, well guess what |
| 15:31.02 | Haohmaru | deploys an ear |
| 15:31.14 | greycat | jelly: it... was all a lie? |
| 15:31.24 | Haohmaru | >:) |
| 15:33.18 | jelly | Sentinel, I _think_ nvidia actually uses kms now to set up a framebuffer and memory management on the kernel side, but they do not provide a fb console driver, just X |
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| 15:34.09 | jelly | I stopped caring about it a couple years ago when I realized I didn't have time to play with CUDA |
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| 15:34.10 | Haohmaru | does not regret buying a cheap radeon card |
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| 15:36.17 | jelly | Sentinel, fwiw gnome-terminal ought to have color schemes and "profiles" somewhere in the settings |
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| 15:36.25 | dka- | I want to upgrade jessie to buster |
| 15:36.32 | Sentinel | jelly: yep found them |
| 15:36.33 | dka- | I am reviewing the installed backport plugins |
| 15:36.34 | greycat | gotta do stretch first |
| 15:36.41 | dka- | Yes of course |
| 15:36.48 | jelly | dka-, no skipping releases, you have to jessie->stretch frist |
| 15:36.50 | dka- | I need to remove a few things before trying to dist upgrade |
| 15:36.50 | Sentinel | jelly: I'm currently trying to see about this https://manpages.debian.org/stretch/systemd/logind.conf.5.en.html |
| 15:36.59 | Sentinel | the "NAutoVTs" setting |
| 15:37.09 | dka- | jelly, OK, so if I remove all bp installed packages. how can I upgrade to stretch? |
| 15:37.21 | dka- | I assume it would be: apt-get update apt-get upgrade apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 15:37.23 | jelly | Sentinel, that doesn't really matter if nvidia breaks your text mode |
| 15:37.34 | Sentinel | I'm not convinced that's happening |
| 15:38.07 | jelly | Sentinel, those VTs might still be there logically. Go to Ctrl-Alt-F3, press enter a couple times, try to login with your username and password blindly |
| 15:38.25 | jelly | then go back to X and see if you're logged in |
| 15:38.26 | greycat | dka-: instead of assuming, read the release notes |
| 15:38.52 | dka- | Ok, I am on it: https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/releasenotes |
| 15:38.52 | Sentinel | hah yeah I am |
| 15:38.55 | jelly | Sentinel, that's basically what would happen when I'd used nvidia |
| 15:38.56 | Sentinel | good trick jelly |
| 15:39.09 | jelly | it's just the video output is broken |
| 15:39.28 | Sentinel | very cool |
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| 15:40.11 | jelly | best privacy mode. |
| 15:40.21 | greycat | I'll have to try to remember this one. "Physical problem such as aging hardware, loose cable, lighting in the room changed, flaw in your eyes; or you're trying to use nvidia on the Linux console" |
| 15:40.26 | jelly | noone can see what you're doing |
| 15:40.53 | Sentinel | yeah I just tell everyone I'm using a really good privacy filter |
| 15:41.00 | Sentinel | or my special glasses let me see |
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| 15:43.21 | greycat | real hackers display random text on the screen, and have the system communicate back to them by blinking the keyboard LEDs |
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| 15:44.43 | jelly | but then people think you're not a real hacker, because you have to look at the keyboard to type things in |
| 15:46.27 | azeem | `/w 43 |
| 15:46.30 | azeem | bah |
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| 15:48.54 | jelly | that's an off by one anyway, you probably wanted 42 |
| 15:49.00 | ratrace | greycat: like this? https://www.reddit.com/r/factorio/comments/j29sy6/i_just_noticed_this_on_my_logitech_keyboard_when/ no, that's just factorio players :) |
| 15:50.24 | greycat | I was actually referencing a novel that I figured *someone* would remember. |
| 15:52.16 | greycat | it's over 20 years old now, so I figure it's safe to spoil minor things like that especially when I don't name the novel or the author |
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| 15:53.18 | shtrb | Is there some inherited problem to use at the same time an rfcomm connection for ip communication over bluetooth (DUN) and passing audio via HPF(?) to pulseaudio ? If I connect with rfcomm pulseaudio no longer play audio from my device. |
| 15:53.35 | jelly | inherent* ? |
| 15:53.48 | jelly | shouldn't be |
| 15:54.09 | Sentinel | thanks all, esp jelly |
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| 15:54.15 | jelly | !next |
| 15:54.16 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 15:56.19 | shtrb | jelly, sorry typo |
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| 15:57.11 | shtrb | jelly, when even I connect over rfcomm there is no longer any audio output with pulse audio. |
| 15:57.20 | dka- | I am on step 4.2 of the release not for stretch, this is the output. How can I safely remove linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64 and use the default kernel ? What is the kernel location ? |
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| 15:57.51 | jelly | dka-, which kernel are you running right now? |
| 15:58.29 | jelly | rule of thumb: don't uninstall current, working kernel, even if it's from the previous release |
| 15:58.39 | dka- | Linux master-bhs-01 4.11.0-xxxx-std-ipv6-64 #1 SMP Mon May 8 14:47:33 CEST 2017 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 15:58.51 | dka- | It's a custom kernel provided by ovh |
| 15:58.59 | jelly | dka-, that's a very custom, very old kernel |
| 15:59.09 | dka- | I think I am safe to replace it, but as you said, how do I just install the debian default kernel ? |
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| 16:00.06 | jelly | first make sure you a) have access to the console and a rescue image in case things go wrong b) look at which packages bring these files: dpkg -S /boot/vmlinuz* |
| 16:00.26 | dka- | linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64: /boot/vmlinuz-3.16.0-4-amd64 |
| 16:00.44 | dka- | a) yes, all Dedicated have a rescue mode |
| 16:00.51 | jelly | perhaps you should patch-up that jessie first. |
| 16:01.02 | dka- | define "patch-up" |
| 16:01.42 | jelly | apply all the missing upgrades for jessie up to this point in time. Then reboot it, see that things still work, then continue with jessie->stretch |
| 16:01.54 | jelly | ,kernel |
| 16:01.56 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 5.9.0-rc6-686 (5.9~rc6-1~exp1); sid: 5.8.0-2-686-pae (5.8.10-1); bullseye: 5.8.0-2-686-pae (5.8.10-1); buster-backports: 5.7.0-0.bpo.2-686 (5.7.10-1~bpo10+1); buster: 4.19.0-11-686-pae (4.19.146-1); stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.9-686-pae (4.19.118-2+deb10u1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.19.0-0.bpo.11-686 (4.19.146-1~deb9u1); jessie-backports: |
| 16:01.56 | jelly | ,kernels |
| 16:01.57 | judd | 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.12-686 (4.9.210-1+deb9u1~deb8u1) |
| 16:01.58 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 5.9.0-rc6-686 (5.9~rc6-1~exp1); sid: 5.8.0-2-686-pae (5.8.10-1); bullseye: 5.8.0-2-686-pae (5.8.10-1); buster-backports: 5.7.0-0.bpo.2-686 (5.7.10-1~bpo10+1); buster: 4.19.0-11-686-pae (4.19.146-1); stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.9-686-pae (4.19.118-2+deb10u1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.19.0-0.bpo.11-686 (4.19.146-1~deb9u1); jessie-backports: |
| 16:01.59 | judd | 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.12-686 (4.9.210-1+deb9u1~deb8u1) |
| 16:02.10 | dka- | jelly, that's what I want to do. |
| 16:02.10 | jelly | or right, jessie is ELTS only now. |
| 16:02.31 | greycat | !jessie sources.list |
| 16:02.32 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has two lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <jessie/updates> <jessie-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list". |
| 16:02.34 | jelly | dka-, do you have access to the console to be able to pick the kernel to boot from grub menu? |
| 16:02.39 | greycat | hmm, is that still right.. |
| 16:02.49 | jelly | greycat, amazingly it is |
| 16:03.24 | dka- | This is my sources, http://paste.debian.net/1166005/ I have the two lines and a few more |
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| 16:04.28 | jelly | dka-, comment out jessie-updates and jessie-backports, those are not in use any more |
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| 16:04.50 | dka- | oh, I am already running apt-get upgrade |
| 16:05.07 | jelly | I have no idea what to do with external repos for docker, node |
| 16:05.08 | dka- | I'll comment them out right after |
| 16:05.17 | dka- | jelly, I'll just uninstall them |
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| 16:06.50 | jelly | dka-, if that's an option then great. Run a dist-upgrade as well. That ought to bring your jessie up to date. |
| 16:07.49 | jelly | since jessie is in ELTS, the only still supported kernel package is backported 4.9, so you could install linux-image-4.9-amd64 and reboot into that one. |
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| 16:08.26 | jelly | that will give you some confidence stretch will work on the platform as well, it's the same kernel version as in stretch |
| 16:09.26 | jelly | also, you'll have a kernel to try that is slightly closer to the custom 4.11 you're running right now instead of old jessie 3.16.0-11-amd64 or whatever was the last ABI for jessie |
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| 16:10.07 | jelly | linux-image-3.16.0-11-amd64 [...] Candidate: 3.16.84-1 |
| 16:10.28 | jelly | (don't ask how many jessie machines I still have) |
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| 16:14.14 | Ether_Man | Is there any install ISO that is built on Experimental? (need the 5.9 kernel from that) |
| 16:15.19 | jelly | Ether_Man, there can't be, experimental is not a complete self-contained branch |
| 16:15.36 | dka- | how many?) |
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| 16:16.16 | jelly | grep Debian.8 /etc/ansible/hosts|wc -l |
| 16:16.17 | jelly | 62 |
| 16:16.29 | jelly | wait, I said NOT to ask |
| 16:16.44 | Ether_Man | ;_; And the kernel-image package from experimental is not a drop in replacement for any other branch? |
| 16:17.45 | jelly | Ether_Man, if you're careful you can install a _kernel_ package on most branches, but in general packages in experimental are intended only for trying them out on sid (unstable) |
| 16:18.10 | jelly | so I guess you could try building your own d-i with that kernel |
| 16:18.14 | jelly | !custom d-i |
| 16:18.14 | dpkg | To create customized Debian <netinst> images, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Modify/CustomKernel and http://wiki.debian.org/DebianCustomCD . See also <blend>. |
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| 16:18.59 | jelly | (d-i = debian-installer, the project and its resulting iso image) |
| 16:19.04 | Ether_Man | That guide kind of assumes I already have a working setup, I don't. |
| 16:19.23 | jelly | well, then you boot debian somewhere else first. WSL? :-) |
| 16:19.33 | jelly | a debootstrap chroot? |
| 16:19.51 | Ether_Man | But if it's drop in compatible, I can install unstable regularly and transfer that package over with a thumbdrive |
| 16:21.05 | Ether_Man | Provided the module I need is enabled... rtw88? Otherwise this is kind of a pointless endeavor :) |
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| 16:21.40 | jelly | Ether_Man, honestly that would be much easier. If you can find any d-i that boots and manages to install on your platform, you can install a newer kernel or any other package later. |
| 16:22.17 | Ether_Man | Installing is no problem. It's that network driver that kind of makes the system impossible to use since it's the only network it has :) |
| 16:22.30 | jelly | ouch, no wired ethernet? |
| 16:22.33 | Ether_Man | Nope |
| 16:22.45 | jelly | uh.... usb tethering? :-) |
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| 16:23.04 | Ether_Man | iPhone, so doesn't allow it >_< |
| 16:23.25 | jelly | you can try grabbing the 5.9 deb from experimental and installing it on whatever debian you got running right now, even stable |
| 16:24.03 | jelly | linux-image packages are reasonably self-contained and won't automatically destroy your stable install |
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| 16:26.29 | nkuttler | Ether_Man: https://www.t-mobile.com/support/devices/apple/apple-ios-11/tethering-apple-iphone-and-ipad-on-ios-11#Step2 |
| 16:27.23 | Ether_Man | Not on T-Mobile though. I don't have a Personal Hotspot in settings |
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| 16:28.29 | nkuttler | Ether_Man: it's an ios feature, not t-mobile |
| 16:28.36 | nkuttler | https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204023 |
| 16:28.58 | Ether_Man | No but it's a feature that carriers decides if it's available or not. Mine does not |
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| 16:29.18 | hansol | why should i leave arch and move to debian ? |
| 16:29.34 | jelly | !why debian |
| 16:29.34 | dpkg | Debian strives to maintain your freedom whilst also paying close attention to the technical aspects of making a great OS. Debian is stable, upgradable and well tested. See also http://www.debian.org/intro/free http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ . As an added bonus, you get to ask questions in #debian. |
| 16:29.42 | jelly | !why not debian |
| 16:29.49 | jelly | *cough* |
| 16:29.51 | jelly | !why not debian |
| 16:30.02 | jelly | dpkg, come on now! |
| 16:30.02 | dpkg | jelly: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 16:31.01 | jelly | hansol, Arch Linux is just fine. If it suits your purposes and serves you and your users well, no need to move away from it |
| 16:31.43 | Ether_Man | Are the kernel modules part of the kernel-image package? I assume they're their own package but named what? |
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| 16:31.52 | greycat | dpkg, why not debian is <reply>Reasons not to use Debian may include the need for cutting-edge kernels/drivers for new hardware, or <SNS>. |
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| 16:31.53 | dpkg | okay, greycat |
| 16:31.53 | jelly | they're all in there |
| 16:32.10 | jelly | dpkg, listkeys why not |
| 16:32.12 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'why not' by key (15 of 27): #debian why not ;; _default why not ;; why not ;; why not amd64 ;; why not aptitude ;; why not debian ;; why not dist upgrade ;; why not dist-upgrade ;; why not dmo ;; why not nvidia installer ;; why not nvidia-installer ;; why not pptp ;; why not sav ;; why not testing ;; why not use a ppa. |
| 16:32.32 | nkuttler | Ether_Man: they are part of the kernel image |
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| 16:37.24 | Ether_Man | nkuttler: as in compiled in rather than modules? Because there's almost no modules in deb as far as I can see :/ |
| 16:37.49 | greycat | then you're not looking correctly |
| 16:38.08 | greycat | unicorn:~$ dpkg -L linux-image-4.19.0-11-amd64 | grep -c -F .ko |
| 16:38.09 | greycat | 3559 |
| 16:38.27 | jelly | debian builds almost every driver as module |
| 16:38.50 | jelly | grep has counting?! |
| 16:38.53 | greycat | yes |
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| 16:40.20 | BlackSalmon | "gpg: absolutely no trusted keys" error (translation may not be precise), how can i fix that? |
| 16:40.46 | jelly | BlackSalmon, which debian release are you using? |
| 16:40.54 | jelly | !localized errors |
| 16:40.55 | dpkg | To provide command output in English instead of your native language, set your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. "LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install". |
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| 16:42.01 | BlackSalmon | 10th |
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| 16:42.15 | BlackSalmon | Should i restart my virtualmachine after putting this command? |
| 16:43.17 | Ether_Man | Oh, the udeb and deb are different. ofc >_< |
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| 16:44.54 | Ether_Man | But damn... The rtw88 module isn't there. Would have to compile myself anyway... Dammit >_< |
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| 16:47.02 | jelly | !pal Ether_Man |
| 16:47.02 | dpkg | points at Ether_Man and laughs uproariously |
| 16:47.13 | Ether_Man | Would debian-10.6.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso have all the packages I need to compile my own or would I need to download more, beyond the kernel source that is ofc? |
| 16:47.33 | jelly | Ether_Man, if it's in source for 5.9, file a bug report against the package and ask the relevant CONFIG_ be enabled |
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| 16:48.06 | greycat | I strongly suspect all of the core development pkgs are on DVD1. |
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| 16:48.40 | jelly | judd, file rtw88.ko --release sid |
| 16:48.45 | judd | No packages in sid/amd64 were found with that file. |
| 16:48.45 | greycat | !dvd contents |
| 16:48.47 | dpkg | To find out which CD or DVD image contains a particular package or source file, use the search engine at http://cdimage-search.debian.org/ . To see what a specific image contains, examine the package lists within the list-{cd,dvd} subdirectories for the relevant architecture at http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/ (e.g. http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/list-cd/). |
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| 16:49.15 | jelly | well that's one point for ubuntu, then. I have this on 18.04: /lib/modules/5.4.0-48-generic/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/realtek/rtw88/rtw88.ko |
| 16:49.52 | Ether_Man | jelly: that one unfortunately does not have the 8821ce driver inside it though, which didn't come until 5.9 |
| 16:50.43 | BlackSalmon | It's not changing my language jelly |
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| 16:51.02 | jelly | BlackSalmon, what is the actual command line you're using? |
| 16:51.26 | BlackSalmon | exactly what bot printed out |
| 16:51.43 | BlackSalmon | i've tried just `LC_ALL=C` too but it didn't work either |
| 16:52.01 | greycat | paste the command you ran, here. |
| 16:52.11 | jelly | that is weird. Are you sure there's no sudo anything in that command line as well? |
| 16:52.18 | BlackSalmon | `sudo LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install` |
| 16:52.29 | greycat | well there you have it. |
| 16:52.49 | greycat | if you want to add an environment variable to sudo, you'll want something more like sudo env LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install |
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| 16:53.21 | greycat | "It's exactly what the bot said except I added a whole new command to the front of it" |
| 16:53.43 | jelly | BlackSalmon, is package debian-archive-keyring installed? |
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| 16:54.51 | BlackSalmon | I doesn't remember that i've installed that package |
| 16:55.22 | BlackSalmon | greycat: well, i thought that "sudo" just gives more permissions for command |
| 16:55.26 | greycat | the sudo man page actually claims that you can pass variables by using VAR=value but it doesn't say *where* to put that, and it doesn't show any examples, so who knows |
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| 16:55.58 | sney | probably before the command, like with anything else. VAR=value sudo ... |
| 16:56.17 | greycat | that would be passing a variable to sudo, which it would probably then strip out of the environment |
| 16:56.32 | sney | this seems like a TIAS situation |
| 16:56.58 | greycat | sudo FOO=bar env | grep FOO= actually works for me, but I don't know what config options would cause specific variables to be kept or nuked |
| 16:57.23 | greycat | anyway, sudo env LC_ALL=C your command here is the most likely to work in any situation |
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| 16:57.50 | greycat | now, with that all out of the way, what error did you get? |
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| 17:00.38 | BlackSalmon | It printed out many lines of things, but Lang is still set to my native, not english |
| 17:01.26 | BlackSalmon | at least `LANG` variable, `LC_ALL` is set correctly |
| 17:01.31 | greycat | ... |
| 17:01.53 | greycat | THE ENTIRE FREAKING PURPOSE OF INCLUDING LC_ALL=C INSIDE OF A COMMAND LIKE THIS IS THAT IT'S ONLY SET FOR THE DURATION OF THAT ONE COMMAND |
| 17:02.11 | greycat | Now, WHAT ERRORS DID YOU GET |
| 17:02.23 | BlackSalmon | oh, so i should include that IN command, not as a seperate one |
| 17:02.25 | BlackSalmon | D: |
| 17:03.07 | BlackSalmon | "no ultimately trusted keys found" |
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| 17:08.19 | BlackSalmon | greycat it seems like i have lastest debian-archive-keyring too (2017.7) |
| 17:13.27 | jelly | ,v debian-archive-keyring |
| 17:13.28 | judd | Package: debian-archive-keyring on amd64 -- jessie: 2017.5~deb8u1; stretch: 2017.5+deb9u1; stretch-updates: 2017.5+deb9u1; bullseye: 2019.1; buster: 2019.1; sid: 2019.1 |
| 17:14.08 | jelly | BlackSalmon, 2019.1 for Debian 10 |
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| 17:14.34 | jelly | !bat |
| 17:14.34 | dpkg | [Basic Apt* Troubleshooting]. To diagnose your problem, we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use https://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 17:20.34 | BlackSalmon | apt-get says that 2017 is lastest and on debian packages website i can't download the 2019 package |
| 17:20.56 | BlackSalmon | (or idk how) |
| 17:21.34 | greycat | LC_ALL=C apt-cache policy debian-archive-keyring |
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| 17:22.57 | BlackSalmon | http://paste.debian.net/1166011 |
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| 17:23.50 | greycat | So, first thing to note, you are on stretch, not buster. |
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| 17:24.18 | greycat | Second thing to note, you somehow magically have a version of debian-archive-keyring that does not actually exist in stretch. |
| 17:25.00 | greycat | 12:40 jelly> BlackSalmon, which debian release are you using? |
| 17:25.00 | greycat | 12:42 BlackSalmon> 10th |
| 17:25.03 | greycat | ^^ was a lie, then. |
| 17:25.19 | genr8_ | Im gonna guess some kind of ubuntu corruption |
| 17:25.19 | BlackSalmon | w8, my bad |
| 17:25.21 | BlackSalmon | it's 8th |
| 17:25.27 | greycat | Also wrong. |
| 17:25.33 | greycat | Keep guessign! |
| 17:25.42 | BlackSalmon | nah, give me sec |
| 17:26.56 | genr8_ | BlackSalmon, you want the 2017.5+deb9u1 from your pastebin, not the 2017.7 that came from who knows where |
| 17:26.59 | greycat | Google is confirming that UBUNTU has a 2017.7ubuntu1 version of that package, so maybe they had a 2017.7 as well. |
| 17:27.30 | genr8_ | yep. sounds like something that happens when you add ubuntu to apt and ruin everything |
| 17:29.27 | BlackSalmon | so what really happened here |
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| 17:29.49 | greycat | Are you asking us, or is that a preamble to you telling us what happened? |
| 17:30.15 | BlackSalmon | Delicatelly asking |
| 17:30.21 | BlackSalmon | i have no idea |
| 17:30.23 | greycat | It's your computer, so only you know what happened. Would you like us to guess? |
| 17:30.49 | genr8_ | you added ubuntu to apt, it overwrote your debian trusted keyring with its own, now debian cant authenticate with its own servers |
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| 17:31.16 | genr8_ | you can try to fix it, but other packages probably got ruined |
| 17:31.21 | greycat | That's one guess. Another one is that this computer was installed as Ubuntu, and then you thought you could convert it to Debian. |
| 17:31.39 | genr8_ | lol |
| 17:32.13 | BlackSalmon | It has to be debian from beginning, but it was my second approach to install linux so it could go wrong |
| 17:32.23 | mutante | remember there was once that script "debtakeover" or so? it was made for downloading it on some VPS with another OS and well.. "take over" |
| 17:32.32 | BlackSalmon | and it was few years ago |
| 17:33.01 | greycat | Your best bet would be a clean install. If you aren't willing to do that, you could try downloading the stretch version of the package and installing that by hand. |
| 17:33.38 | BlackSalmon | Nah, if I have to spend another 30 minutes and not fix this imma done with this version |
| 17:34.14 | BlackSalmon | I was just sticking it because i didn't wanted to move my code to newer version of debian. Looks like now i have to do that |
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| 17:39.43 | dka | I have issue with some services not being reachable after upgrading jessie |
| 17:40.05 | dka | I am checking and all the services are running, services are served by port 443 which is reachable from the outside |
| 17:40.19 | dka | it seems that the proxy routing is not working anymore, I wonder how a dist-upgrade can lead to that kind of bug |
| 17:40.24 | dka | I have tried to restart the services and they are running |
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| 17:51.16 | sponix2ipfw | dka: check logs for issues 443 is normally a web server |
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| 17:53.47 | dka | yes it's nginx |
| 17:53.55 | dka | when I try to curl the service, It just hang for a looooong time |
| 17:54.05 | dka | I am watching at error log for that service, it also log nothing atm |
| 17:55.22 | dka | it's not logging anything |
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| 18:04.36 | sponix2ipfw | dka: curl is version 4 in Buster |
| 18:06.59 | alex11 | jessie is also obsolete so i'm sure you've heard this before but consider updating to at least stretch and then preferably buster... unless this is an offline machine |
| 18:07.43 | sponix2ipfw | alex11: good point |
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| 18:08.04 | sponix2ipfw | I hadn't considered that |
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| 18:09.42 | dka | alex11, I am in the process of upgrading jessie |
| 18:09.51 | dka | I was patching up in order to perform stretch update |
| 18:09.57 | dka | that's where I lost the services |
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| 18:12.17 | sponix2ipfw | dka: I always have to ask. What about just backing up the important things and doing a fresh install of Buster? |
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| 18:16.02 | dka | I don't see why the upgrade plan is not an option |
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| 18:19.23 | sponix2ipfw | Probably is. I'm just a believer of a fresh install for major releases |
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| 18:23.47 | genr8_ | Is it impossible to run two different 4.19.0-11 kernels on the same machine ? |
| 18:24.05 | genr8_ | because of simple name collisions on the filesystem ? |
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| 18:25.34 | NetTerminalGene | in debian developer tracker stuff it says "Migration status for thunderbird (1:68.12.0-1 to 1:78.3.1-2): BLOCKED: Rejected/violates migration policy/introduces a regression" does it mean it will never be released? |
| 18:26.28 | genr8_ | no, it means devs get to fight about why and what to do about it |
| 18:26.42 | NetTerminalGene | genr8_: i was just changing its names on archlinux |
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| 18:28.41 | NetTerminalGene | nice |
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| 18:35.51 | dka- | I finally upgraded my jessie to latest |
| 18:35.59 | dka- | I think I am ready to go stretch |
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| 18:41.45 | dvs | dka-: ??? But the latest is bullseye?? |
| 18:41.52 | greycat | No. |
| 18:41.56 | greycat | !buster |
| 18:41.56 | dpkg | Buster is the codename for the current <stable> release, Debian 10, released 2019-07-06. "Buster" is Andy's pet Dachshund in Toy Story, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianBuster . Ask me about <install buster>, <release notes>, <stretch->buster>. <apt suite changed> |
| 18:42.19 | dvs | is getting ahead of himself |
| 18:43.19 | genr8_ | How do I start investigating what Cgroups are doing what on my system ? |
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| 18:44.18 | sigint | genr8_, you can use ctop, like htop but for cgroups |
| 18:44.38 | genr8_ | nice. thanks. I was just gonna clarify: "Is there some kind of viewer ?" but that answers it |
| 18:45.00 | dka- | How do I update to stretch, should I first replace the kernel with the proper uncostimized version? which one? |
| 18:45.18 | sigint | genr8_, there are multiple. Usually I use this one https://github.com/yadutaf/ctop |
| 18:45.26 | greycat | dpkg, jessie->stretch |
| 18:45.26 | dpkg | Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <release notes> http://deb.li/OFVv . In /etc/apt/sources.list, change "jessie" to "stretch" and remove stable-specific lines like jessie-backports. apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. 3rd party repos like <dmo> are known to cause problems with the upgrade. |
| 18:46.04 | genr8_ | sigint, i just got it from apt-get |
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| 18:48.15 | sigint | oh nice, I didn't know it was in Debian. It's written by a colleague of mine |
| 18:49.32 | genr8_ | very nice |
| 18:50.33 | genr8_ | is there anything for controlling the cgroups directly rather than just viewing ? |
| 18:51.53 | genr8_ | I notice I have a whole bunch of /sys/fs/cgroup mounted |
| 18:53.24 | sigint | genr8_, It's probably systemd that creates them |
| 18:54.07 | jmcnaught | https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/ControlGroupInterface/ |
| 18:55.37 | genr8_ | so most of the options are set from within systemd then |
| 18:57.25 | dka- | I did apt-get install linux-image-4.9-amd64, how do I restart and use that kernel instead of the current one? |
| 18:57.32 | Ether_Man | aaand ofc... not all packages to compile kernel was on dvd1... Unable to locate package libelf-dev... Because that's on dvd2... sigh... |
| 18:57.45 | dka- | My current kernel is Linux master-rbx-01 4.11.0-xxxx-std-ipv6-64 #1 SMP Mon May 8 14:47:33 CEST 2017 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 18:57.55 | dka- | jelly, is it safe to downgrade it? |
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| 18:58.59 | genr8_ | grub is what controls booting into kernels. if you installed that package, it should have re-ran and configured grub so theres an option listed. reboot, then Go to the advanced menu |
| 18:59.11 | genr8_ | if its a lesser version, its probably gonna not be the default. |
| 18:59.34 | dka- | It's a dedicated server, I can't choose in grub the kernel to use |
| 18:59.44 | dka- | I have to wait until SSH service is up, after grub |
| 18:59.47 | genr8_ | uh |
| 19:00.01 | genr8_ | well you'll have to do something else then |
| 19:00.02 | dka- | can I tel my OS to use the older kernel prior rebooting? |
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| 19:00.43 | dvs | dka-: you can change the default kernel in /etc/default/grub |
| 19:00.53 | dvs | *default kernel entry |
| 19:01.22 | genr8_ | thats grub territory for sure |
| 19:01.40 | genr8_ | youll have to edit something manually i believe |
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| 19:02.23 | dka- | that's the /etc/default/grub of the host => https://termbin.com/ucqq |
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| 19:03.24 | greycat | if there's a way to do it from /etc/default/grub I have never seen it... |
| 19:03.24 | genr8_ | I have a guess that its the GRUB_DEFAULT number |
| 19:03.33 | genr8_ | 0 is "first boot option" , 1 is second, and so on |
| 19:03.45 | dvs | !price genr8_ |
| 19:03.50 | dvs | heh |
| 19:04.02 | genr8_ | except theres also "Rescue" modes. so 1 is the rescue mode of #1. i believe 2 would be the first second kernel. |
| 19:04.13 | genr8_ | er 1 is the rescue of 0 |
| 19:05.08 | sigint | In any case, you can inspect /boot/grub/grub.cfg once you've regenerated your grub conf to know for sure |
| 19:06.53 | dka- | What do you mean "regenerate" ? How do I "regenerate" my grub conf? this is my /boot/grub/grub/cfg => https://termbin.com/yz30 |
| 19:07.05 | dvs | dka-: update-grub |
| 19:07.08 | greycat | the other thing you can do is put a script in /etc/grub.d/ which has a very low number, so that it puts its payload into the generated menu before the 10_linux script does |
| 19:07.40 | genr8_ | scroll down halfway while reading that file, the first option is 'Loading Linux 4.9.0-0.bpo.12-amd64' |
| 19:08.07 | genr8_ | in fact 4.11 is not listed there at all |
| 19:08.22 | genr8_ | oh nevermind i missed it |
| 19:08.36 | genr8_ | its shown above it in its own /etc/grub.d/06_OVHkernel section |
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| 19:09.07 | greycat | I see no documentation for the GRUB_DEFAULT variable in /etc/default/grub, and no obvious way to match each "menuentry" (if that is even the thing one should be counting!) to a numeric value |
| 19:09.07 | genr8_ | In that case, try GRUB_DEFAULT=1 |
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| 19:09.22 | genr8_ | I think that is a thing |
| 19:10.24 | genr8_ | apparently it also takes strings |
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| 19:10.41 | genr8_ | http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub/html_node/Simple-configuration.html |
| 19:11.03 | dka- | This is my configuration: http://paste.debian.net/1166021/ |
| 19:12.10 | genr8_ | it worked |
| 19:12.25 | greycat | Oh lovely, the documentation talks about "menuentry ... --id ..." but there are no such --id flags in the Debian grub.cfg file. |
| 19:12.38 | genr8_ | i just noticed that |
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| 19:13.17 | dka- | I have another host that didn't work to update-grub, it has an extra kernel 3.16 so I did apt-get remove linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64 but update-grub still show the old kernel, this is the output: http://paste.debian.net/1166022/ |
| 19:13.32 | dka- | how do I correctly remove the unused and old kernel 3.16? |
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| 19:14.12 | dka- | and finally, how do I set the kernel to be used to 4.9.0-0.bpo.12-amd64 instead of 4.11.0-xxxx-std-ipv6-64 with SSH only ? |
| 19:14.21 | sigint | dka, https://askubuntu.com/a/945348 |
| 19:14.28 | dvs | dka-: you did get rid of it. however, there are two of them. |
| 19:14.50 | genr8_ | yeah theres 0-4 and 0-11 |
| 19:15.00 | dka- | I did not get ride of : Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-3.16.0-11-amd64 and Found initrd image: /boot/initrd.img-3.16.0-11-amd64 |
| 19:15.13 | genr8_ | you can apt remove that one next |
| 19:15.26 | dka- | I already did, with apt-get remove |
| 19:15.34 | dka- | root@master-bhs-01:/home/dka# apt-get remove linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64 |
| 19:15.38 | genr8_ | no, read the version name clearly. one is "0-4" and one is "0-11" |
| 19:15.44 | dka- | I expected to have it not listed in update-grub |
| 19:15.51 | dvs | dka-: yeah, that's not 0-11 |
| 19:16.01 | dka- | weird, how do I get ride of 0-4? |
| 19:16.06 | greycat | you already did. |
| 19:16.07 | genr8_ | you mean 0-11 |
| 19:16.12 | dka- | yeah |
| 19:16.18 | genr8_ | just run the same command again but with 11 instead of 4 lol |
| 19:16.39 | dka- | If I do that, then it will try to remove linux-image-3.16.0-11-amd64 linux-image-amd64 |
| 19:16.47 | dka- | I probably don't want linux-image-amd64 to be removed |
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| 19:17.12 | dka- | See http://paste.debian.net/1166023/ |
| 19:17.35 | greycat | so leave that kernel alone, if that's your currently used kernel |
| 19:18.02 | genr8_ | you would wanna reboot into the new kernel first. so it knows not to get overzealous and try to remove that |
| 19:18.04 | dka- | It's not, it's Linux master-bhs-01 4.11.0-xxxx-std-ipv6-64 #1 SMP Mon May 8 14:47:33 CEST 2017 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 19:18.13 | genr8_ | hmm |
| 19:18.18 | greycat | but that's a non-Debian kernel. |
| 19:18.29 | dka- | Yeah, I have 3.16.0-11 to remove, and I need to downgrade from 4.11 to 4.9 |
| 19:18.32 | greycat | your last *Debian* kernel is the linux-image-3.16.0-11-amd64 one |
| 19:18.39 | genr8_ | ah |
| 19:19.00 | dka- | greycat, why do you say that? to me it's 4.11, I don't remember using 3.16.0 at any time |
| 19:19.14 | sigint | dka-, looking at the output of update-grub, you really just need to do that: https://askubuntu.com/a/945348 |
| 19:19.16 | dka- | it's a mistake if it's stil there |
| 19:19.19 | greycat | you're still on jessie, so linux-image-amd64 points to linux-image-3.16.0-11-amd64 |
| 19:19.37 | dka- | greycat, if I remove linux-image-amd64, then it will break my OS |
| 19:19.42 | greycat | *sigh* |
| 19:19.48 | dka- | it won't? |
| 19:19.49 | greycat | then don't fucking do it |
| 19:19.55 | dka- | ok, I just want to keep cleans |
| 19:20.02 | greycat | I don't even care any more. Do whatever the hell you want. |
| 19:20.03 | dka- | so I'll do what sigint tells me and reboot |
| 19:20.36 | dka- | greycat, excuse me, was I rought with you? I didn't meant to |
| 19:20.36 | genr8_ | dont overreact |
| 19:21.16 | genr8_ | you can actually remove that package, its more of a warning you're going about the wrong way |
| 19:21.17 | dka- | It's a stressful step to upgrade jessie to stretch, I am trying to get the proper information, myself is not enough |
| 19:21.50 | greycat | linux-image-amd64 is just a metapackage that points to the current stable kernel for your release, it doesn't actually DO anything except point to a real kernel version |
| 19:22.23 | sigint | dka-, let's focus. You currently run an OVH kernel installed outside of apt. It is still the default used by grub because of the /etc/grub/06_OVHkernel |
| 19:22.44 | sigint | You have multiple Debian kernels installed, but they won't be used. You can keep them, don't remove them |
| 19:23.17 | sigint | by changing the order of 06_OVHkernel, you will put your current OVH kernel behind your latest Debian kernel |
| 19:23.22 | dka | I have 3 host that needs to upgrade, all part of a mesos network, it's 3 master, I am updating them 1 by 1, on 1 onf them , I did mv 06_OVHkernel 96_OVHkernel and I am rebooting to see if I can get to 4.9 |
| 19:23.41 | sigint | Did you run update-grub? |
| 19:23.42 | genr8_ | you have to rename, update grub, reboot. |
| 19:24.12 | genr8_ | I still like my idea of changing GRUB_DEFAULT=1 in /etc/default/grub |
| 19:24.13 | dka | yes, this is the output of update-grub : http://paste.debian.net/1166025/ |
| 19:24.30 | dka | as you can see, 4.9 is listed first , so it should pick it |
| 19:24.32 | dvs | grub.cfg would be better |
| 19:24.36 | greycat | after update-grub you can read the generated file /boot/grub/grub.cfg and see where it put each kernel in the menu |
| 19:25.05 | sigint | dka, perfect IMO you're good to go |
| 19:25.07 | dka | both options seems to do the exact same thing. I don't see any human using the grub order anyway |
| 19:25.22 | genr8_ | reboot and call it a day. |
| 19:25.33 | dka | yeah, the host does not start the openssh-server ^^ |
| 19:25.40 | dka | it's too long |
| 19:26.02 | dka | it's back, Linux master-rbx-01 4.9.0-0.bpo.12-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.210-1+deb9u1~deb8u1 (2020-06-09) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 19:26.09 | dka | So I think I am ready for stretch upgrade |
| 19:26.39 | genr8_ | was that really required first ? |
| 19:26.40 | dka | I still have docker-ce installed, listed when I run apt-forktracer | sort , can I keep it during stretch upgrade or is it really advised to remove it first then reinstall ? |
| 19:27.03 | dka | genr8_, since I used to have a custom kernel, and I want the upgrade to be smooth, yes |
| 19:28.34 | genr8_ | ,v docker-ce |
| 19:28.35 | judd | No package named 'docker-ce' was found in amd64. |
| 19:28.55 | sigint | dka, do you have any container running? Do you know how to recreate them if necessary? |
| 19:28.57 | genr8_ | well theres no replacement, so either the old one works or it doesnt, and you fix that later |
| 19:29.12 | dka | sigint, yes I have about 50 containers running, and yes i know how to recreate them if necessary |
| 19:29.19 | sigint | genr8_, docker is probably installed outside of the Debian repos |
| 19:29.51 | dka | But my strategy is to upgrade jessie to stretch , then sretch to buster, have the 3 master keeping the state, then do it again on another host, and finally and the last host |
| 19:30.04 | dka | this should cause no downtime since there are always 2 master up, and the state can be kept |
| 19:30.19 | dka | sigint, yes it is installed from the docker repo |
| 19:30.49 | dka | that's why I am thinking to keep it installed while doing the upgrade to stretch, so I can reconnect the 3 masters together and see that the upgrade went well on the first step |
| 19:31.04 | sigint | Assuming all the containers use volumes you should be able to stop them, uninstall docker, upgrade Debian, reinstall docker (the docker repo URL may have changed), restart containers |
| 19:31.27 | genr8_ | well yeah, i just meant its not gonna be able to auto update, so either the old one just works with the new OS, or it doesnt and you have to fix it |
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| 19:32.48 | trysten | is there a tool to debug permission errors? i'm trying to figure out why apache can't access a certain dir |
| 19:33.19 | genr8_ | the human brain |
| 19:33.59 | trysten | yeah mine is not great. i've been using it to debug permission errors for years and it still sucks lol |
| 19:34.03 | sigint | dka, do you run the latest and greatest version of Docker? If so maybe keeping docker and updating in place will work. What does docker info say? |
| 19:34.17 | genr8_ | you want the directories to have the "rx" permission set for the user/group of apache, which is likely www-data |
| 19:34.48 | dka | sigint, it says this initially : https://termbin.com/w8ioy |
| 19:34.54 | genr8_ | or "rx" (5) set for "other" (3rd slot) |
| 19:35.04 | dka | The host that has reboot on kernel 4.9 is still hanging,(docker not started) |
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| 19:38.30 | sigint | dka, so 18.06.3-ce, a bit old but I guess it should be compatile with buster (just a guess, I have 19.03.13 running on buster) |
| 19:39.26 | genr8_ | it says 12 containers running |
| 19:39.46 | genr8_ | oh thats the old kernel |
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| 19:42.16 | genr8_ | trysten, you're on debian right ? on other OS'es Apache is locked down by a security mechanism called SELinux. |
| 19:42.39 | sigint | dka, I'll be honest with you: I don't understand why you decided to upgrade these machines. As you run containers and know how to recreate them you can use a fresh install of buster, install docker, copy your container data and be rolling |
| 19:42.39 | trysten | yeah no SELinux here. |
| 19:43.19 | genr8_ | then its just regular permissions then. are you trying to access files in user's home directories ? cause thats confusing |
| 19:44.30 | genr8_ | you should have a system dir for apache that has the right permissions like /var/www/html |
| 19:44.47 | dka | sigint, because the Host configuration script is old and got hacked by the time we installed the machine, redoing a fresh install script for the installing the Buster OS would be the right action, but I don't want to affoard the time now it will be quite expensive |
| 19:45.02 | dka | weird thing, after restarting the OS on 4.9, docker process never listen |
| 19:45.07 | dka | or it listen, but it hang |
| 19:45.25 | genr8_ | its not that surprising |
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| 19:46.45 | dka | oh, it just started |
| 19:46.53 | dka | I am amazed the time docker takes to start |
| 19:47.06 | dka | those dedicated server are about 7 years old. But at that time docker was not so slow to start |
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| 19:52.19 | Franciman | Hi |
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| 19:52.31 | Franciman | back with my networking problems, sorry :P |
| 19:52.35 | Franciman | this time I have a log |
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| 19:55.30 | Franciman | https://bpa.st/I3WQ |
| 19:55.32 | Franciman | here is the logs |
| 19:55.39 | Franciman | the disconnection occured around 21:00 |
| 19:55.54 | Franciman | so it's at the middle of the logs |
| 19:56.19 | Franciman | there are 4 failures like this: |
| 19:56.21 | Franciman | ott 05 21:07:16 picci systemd-timesyncd[432]: Timed out waiting for reply from 5.249.149.117:123 (2.debian.pool.ntp.org). |
| 19:56.37 | Franciman | I don't know if this is the cause or the symptom of the disease affecting my connectivity |
| 19:56.58 | Franciman | then a huge amount of DHCPREQUESTs starts |
| 19:58.24 | dka | I am now on linux kernel 4.9 from debian repos, I think I am ready to jessie -> stretch |
| 19:58.59 | dka | I think that's step 4.3 from release note |
| 19:59.48 | dka | Do I just run `sed -i "s/jessie/stretch/g" /etc/apt/source.list; apt-get update; apt-get upgrade; apt-get dist-upgrade` to upgrade to stretch ? |
| 19:59.56 | genr8_ | yes |
| 20:00.10 | greycat | you misspelled sources.list |
| 20:00.33 | jmcnaught | Maybe consider running inside a screen session, there are other suggested steps in the release notes instructions |
| 20:00.41 | dka | and then, I think I will restart to see if the mesos master reconnect well, and then, I can do the same to upgrade to buster ? |
| 20:01.42 | greycat | dpkg, stretch->buster |
| 20:01.42 | dpkg | Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <release notes> http://deb.li/JFKc . TL;DR: In /etc/apt/sources.list, change "stretch" to "buster", remove lines like stretch-backports, debian-multimedia <dmo>, and other 3rd party repos as they are known to cause issues then do: apt update && apt upgrade && apt full-upgrade |
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| 20:03.19 | jmcnaught | I don't know why anyone would want to upgrade without knowing what's new and checking the issues to be aware of. |
| 20:03.24 | dka | I wass missing the apt full-upgrade thx |
| 20:03.40 | dka | jmcnaught, for the record, jelly already gaved me that link |
| 20:03.46 | dka | I am already following it |
| 20:04.18 | genr8_ | Franciman, the answer is WiFi sucks |
| 20:04.43 | dka | also, I used buster and stretch on my laptop, I know what changed in the tooling (like /etc/rc.local removed) and how to restore the services, I used docker for all of them, it's normally safe to upgrde |
| 20:05.13 | genr8_ | apt full-upgrade is the same as apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 20:05.13 | apt | genr8_: okay |
| 20:05.25 | Franciman | genr8_, lol, at least is there a way to restart the whole wifi? |
| 20:06.22 | genr8_ | yea. perhaps through the rfkill interface |
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| 20:07.25 | genr8_ | run: "rfkill list" first, see if you accidentally blocked it perhaps with a key combo |
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| 20:08.09 | Franciman | 2ah no I haven't |
| 20:08.16 | Franciman | I already checked |
| 20:08.20 | Franciman | there must be something |
| 20:08.31 | Franciman | some subtle detail causing me this pain |
| 20:08.33 | genr8_ | k. rfkill only has block and unblock commands, not reset i see |
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| 20:09.11 | genr8_ | could just be your router taking a dump when it heats up |
| 20:09.40 | genr8_ | this just all relates to wifi sucking and setting you up for unknown failures |
| 20:09.47 | Franciman | hm |
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| 20:09.57 | Franciman | in this case it would be enough to find a way to reconnect |
| 20:10.07 | Franciman | because it doesn't reconnect until I restart the pc |
| 20:10.24 | genr8_ | ah. so then more likely the adapter then |
| 20:10.55 | genr8_ | unless it blocked the mac address of your client for some strange reason, and rebooting gives it a new one |
| 20:14.06 | Franciman | hmm I see |
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| 20:14.10 | Franciman | thanks genr8_ |
| 20:16.50 | Franciman | uff the router deleted the logs |
| 20:16.51 | Franciman | :< |
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| 20:22.03 | genr8_ | maybe your router is possessed |
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| 20:23.27 | dotcom | Franciman: does this problem also happen with your wired ethernet? or just the wireless adapter? |
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| 20:24.06 | Franciman | dotcom, never tried the wired ethernet, because the pc has only usb-c ports |
| 20:24.27 | dotcom | Franciman: subsequent questions, are there other wireless devices connected to the router? do they lose connectivity when your laptop does? |
| 20:24.29 | genr8_ | have you tried the wifi adapter in another PC |
| 20:24.38 | Franciman | ok, no |
| 20:24.41 | Franciman | the other devices work fine |
| 20:25.13 | genr8_ | what device is the problematic one anyway |
| 20:25.35 | Franciman | my dell xps 13 9380 laptop |
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| 20:26.21 | genr8_ | thats kinda new |
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| 20:26.44 | genr8_ | at line 96, it complains about the ath10k_pci driver not being able to load firmware |
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| 20:27.06 | Franciman | yes, just a part of the firmware |
| 20:27.08 | Franciman | for calibration |
| 20:27.08 | genr8_ | says "pre-cal" and "cal" failed |
| 20:27.21 | Franciman | I checked on the OFFICIAL ubuntu distro, and it had the same error |
| 20:27.25 | genr8_ | well shit man, dont you think calibration is kinda important if you keep disconnecting ? |
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| 20:27.38 | Franciman | and on the ubuntu distro I didn't have this problem |
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| 20:27.53 | Franciman | on the official ubuntu distro* |
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| 20:28.09 | genr8_ | are they both firmware ver RM.4.4.1.c2-00057-QCARMSWP-1 ? |
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| 20:29.22 | Franciman | hmm |
| 20:29.25 | Franciman | Yes |
| 20:29.57 | Franciman | actually sometimes I had some disconnects on ubuntu, but it got reconnected alone |
| 20:30.07 | Franciman | I could try installing something like network manager? |
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| 20:30.23 | genr8_ | could it be some kind of sleep issue ? Were you in the middle of using it @ 21:11 oclock |
| 20:30.53 | genr8_ | you should already have network manager ! |
| 20:31.46 | dotcom | Franciman: are you using the firmware-atheros package from the repo? |
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| 20:32.31 | Franciman | dotcom, yes |
| 20:32.58 | Franciman | I was using it, genr8_ |
| 20:33.19 | genr8_ | the network manager editing program is "nm-connection-editor" (what the system tray icon runs) |
| 20:33.19 | Franciman | <genr8_> you should already have network manager ! <- I opted for a minimal install :P |
| 20:33.29 | genr8_ | oh |
| 20:33.33 | Franciman | I'm using wpa_supplicant + dhclient |
| 20:34.33 | genr8_ | Keep an eye on your MAC address, see if it changes every reboot or connection or not |
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| 20:35.51 | Franciman | hm let me see |
| 20:35.53 | Franciman | I'll reboot then |
| 20:35.58 | genr8_ | k |
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| 20:41.52 | dka | I had an issue while doing jessie to stretch upgrade |
| 20:41.57 | dka | http://paste.debian.net/1166032/ |
| 20:42.00 | dka | What should I do ? |
| 20:42.11 | dka | Is update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-4.9.0-0.bpo.12-amd64 the last line of the upgrade |
| 20:42.12 | dka | ? |
| 20:42.59 | sney | dka: this looks fine, now it's time for 'apt-get dist-upgrade' |
| 20:43.49 | sney | if you were using unattended-upgrades, you may need to configure it again once the process is finished. but there are no errors here. |
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| 20:46.29 | dka | Ok. The upgrade is starting |
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| 20:49.21 | ryouma | network manager is needed? i wonder if i should try reinstalling network-manager which i purged in favor of wicd for jessie. |
| 20:49.32 | ryouma | everything works ok without it |
| 20:49.47 | dka | its not needed |
| 20:49.48 | genr8_ | dont fix whats not broken |
| 20:50.31 | ryouma | great |
| 20:50.42 | sney | wicd has a python2 dependency, and upstream is largely inactive, so you *might* need to find an alternative when you upgrade to bullseye. |
| 20:50.45 | sney | but you've got time. |
| 20:51.06 | ryouma | it didn't seem like it even applied to me |
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| 20:53.38 | Franciman | back |
| 20:53.40 | Franciman | lol |
| 20:53.46 | Franciman | I had another issue, which may be related |
| 20:54.08 | Franciman | on startup the driver failed to work because of an uknown event id, so it seems that this driver is too old |
| 20:54.29 | Franciman | the interesting thing is that while this error occured I had the same issues that I usually have during disconnects |
| 20:54.35 | Franciman | so maybe updating the firmware works? |
| 20:55.04 | Franciman | also, genr8_ the MAC does not change |
| 20:55.44 | genr8_ | yeah start looking at firmware |
| 20:56.44 | Franciman | I'll try the backported version |
| 20:56.46 | dka | this is the output of dist-upgrade jessie to stretch http://paste.debian.net/1166035/ |
| 20:56.53 | dka | Does everything looks good? Should I reboot and see now ? |
| 20:57.16 | dka | `sed -e "0,/_.*_/s/.*_\(.*\)_.*/\1/;t;d" /var/lib/apt/cdroms.list` still shows Jessie |
| 20:57.32 | sney | delete any remaining jessie entries |
| 20:57.39 | sney | but yes, that all looks pretty normal |
| 20:57.41 | Franciman | well, thanks a lot genr8_ and dotcom |
| 20:58.57 | dka | Is it safe to autoremove those: http://paste.debian.net/1166036/ ? |
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| 21:00.22 | sney | dka: yes, autoremove only removes packages that are no longer depended upon. |
| 21:00.47 | sney | unless you specifically see something in that list that *you* know you need, it's safe to go ahead. |
| 21:00.51 | genr8_ | 3rd party software that is unrelated to apt may be relying on them |
| 21:01.05 | sney | that's possible, but it'd be an edge case |
| 21:01.14 | sney | besides. you can always install stuff again. |
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| 21:05.35 | genr8_ | most of this stuff seems like they are old versions that got deprecated and replaced by entirely new versions with the same but slightly different package names |
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| 21:06.12 | genr8_ | ,v libjasper1 |
| 21:06.14 | judd | Package: libjasper1 on amd64 -- jessie: 1.900.1-debian1-2.4+deb8u3; jessie-security: 1.900.1-debian1-2.4+deb8u6 |
| 21:07.59 | genr8_ | ,info libjasper1 |
| 21:08.00 | judd | No package named 'libjasper1' was found in buster/amd64. |
| 21:08.12 | genr8_ | <shrug> |
| 21:08.29 | genr8_ | JasPer JPEG-2000 runtime library. JasPer is a collection of software (i.e., a library and application programs) for the coding and manipulation of images. |
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| 21:09.07 | genr8_ | seems to be removed on purpose |
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| 21:18.09 | hexo_ | hi everyone, is it possible to get virt-clone without installing stuff like libgtk-3 or anything in common with graphical ui? this is server with no screen at all so it makes no sense to have deps like that |
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| 21:19.05 | jelly | judd, bug rm libjasper1 |
| 21:19.08 | judd | Sorry, no removal reasons were found. |
| 21:19.11 | jelly | judd, bug rm libjasper |
| 21:19.14 | judd | Sorry, no removal reasons were found. |
| 21:19.17 | jelly | judd, bug rm jasper |
| 21:19.20 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/835639 in ftp.debian.org (closed): «RM: jasper -- RoQA; dead upstrem, replaced by openjpeg»; severity: normal; opened: 2016-08-27; last modified: 2017-01-04. |
| 21:19.23 | hexo_ | or libopencv-flann2.4v5 |
| 21:19.29 | hexo_ | :D just why |
| 21:20.05 | hexo_ | sorry but thats incorrectly packaged |
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| 21:21.31 | jmcnaught | hexo_: virt-clone from the virtinst package? virtinst Recommends: virt-viewer, did you try installing without recommends? |
| 21:22.19 | hexo_ | i didnt, my bad |
| 21:22.56 | jmcnaught | Some tiny libraries probably aren't that big a deal anyways. Usually recommends are desired, but they're optional. |
| 21:23.17 | hexo_ | yea, in this case it 500 megabytes of not needed stuff |
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| 21:39.48 | hexo_ | thanks for help |
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| 21:40.13 | hexo_ | :) |
| 21:40.40 | jmcnaught | You're welcome |
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| 21:49.16 | dka | Ok, so upgrading jessie to stretch while running a mesos platform on 3 master nodes was a success and without any hassle, I am now looking to upgrade to buster, using the release note |
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| 21:49.45 | sney | it will be basically the same process |
| 21:50.24 | greycat | probably easier because you've already cleaned up all the messy bits |
| 21:50.34 | jelly | you never said you were running a cluster |
| 21:50.58 | dka | the longest downtime was after switching to the default kernel instead of the ovh one, for a reason I don't know, I had to reboot an extra time, otherwise the downtime was about the time to reboot. Use mesos :) |
| 21:51.17 | jelly | or perhaps you did, I had some paid work to do instead of irc volunwastingtime |
| 21:51.48 | dka | no worries, I wish I could be in the same situation :) |
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| 21:55.46 | genr8_ | pay me and ill do it |
| 21:56.27 | dka | i must get a job first ^^ or a customer |
| 21:56.33 | dka | but I will tip you when I'll be rich |
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| 22:18.51 | dka- | Running `sudo mount nas:/volume4/DKA_MEDIA /srv/nas` cause `mount.nfs: access denied by server while mounting nas:/volume4/DKA_MEDIA`, it used to work before , what can cause this? |
| 22:19.36 | sponix | dka-: how about the NAS being offline ? |
| 22:19.53 | dka- | the nas is online, I am connected with SSH, SFTP to it |
| 22:19.59 | dka- | and this confirm it: |
| 22:20.25 | dka- | http://paste.debian.net/1166043/ |
| 22:20.27 | sponix | might scroll back through your shell history and verify that command is correct |
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| 22:20.45 | dka- | it is |
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| 22:21.49 | sponix | dka-: why "sudo" are you honestly matching up with a "root" user on the server ? Or is the user there kopax as well ? |
| 22:22.08 | dka- | only root can mount |
| 22:22.28 | dvs | not if you have a fstab entry |
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| 22:23.03 | dka- | that's my /etc/fstab => http://paste.debian.net/1166044/ |
| 22:23.10 | sponix | dka-: also check the status of /srv/nas to ensure it is proper to allow the mount |
| 22:24.05 | dka- | it's all owned by root |
| 22:24.12 | dvs | dka-: no "users" option |
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| 22:24.38 | dka- | I have a nas synology and I use the user mapping option called "no mapping", I just want to mount docker volume with different uuid |
| 22:25.07 | sponix | dka-: did you recently do an update/upgrade on the NAS ? |
| 22:25.13 | dka- | I didn't |
| 22:25.59 | sponix | dka-: what do logs say ? anything on the NAS log ? |
| 22:27.14 | dka- | it's a custom os, I don't know where i can find logs |
| 22:27.45 | sponix | I would be looking into that |
| 22:28.33 | dka- | Another completely unrelated question, I did upgrade my host from stretch to buster, and the SSHD configuration offered me to edit the config, I kept mine, and right after the service failed to restart |
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| 22:29.00 | dka- | now I am still connected to ssh, but service might be broken, I have tried `sudo service sshd start`, but the command failed |
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| 22:29.34 | dka- | This is the relevant logs: http://paste.debian.net/1166045/ |
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| 22:31.21 | sponix | dka-: If ssh still logs properly and not into some binary systemd crap -- I would look at that log also |
| 22:31.40 | sponix | dka-: seems a configuration error, probably still have something from prior that was depreciated jamming you up |
| 22:32.28 | sponix | If you can't find the log, you might try just "sudo sshd" on the console to see if it spits out the specific issue |
| 22:35.05 | dka- | Thanks this helped: http://paste.debian.net/1166046/ |
| 22:37.14 | sponix | dka-: well comment out those depreciated options. and give it another go |
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| 22:37.28 | sponix | dka-: I am not sure about that line 92 though. Haven't seen that before |
| 22:37.34 | dka- | there is still /etc/ssh/sshd_config line 92: Bad SSH2 mac spec 'hmac-sha2-512-etm@openssh.com,hmac-sha2-256-etm@openssh.com,umac-128-etm@openssh.com,hmac-sha2-512,hmac-sha2-256,hmac-ripemd160'. |
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| 22:38.14 | dka- | https://github.com/dev-sec/ansible-ssh-hardening/issues/135#issuecomment-338979566 |
| 22:38.15 | Franciman | So, now I'm trying with debian sid, to use the latest firmware |
| 22:38.16 | sponix | dka-: exactly.. in like vim - skip to line 92 and see exactly what is there |
| 22:38.18 | Franciman | and it seems to work fine |
| 22:38.21 | Franciman | :< |
| 22:38.35 | dka- | perfect thanks it worked |
| 22:38.41 | dvs | Franciman: and backports didn't work? |
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| 22:39.02 | Franciman | it was a step ahead |
| 22:39.06 | sponix | dka-: if your web service is still down, it likely needs similar attention |
| 22:39.13 | Franciman | but still didn't work properly |
| 22:39.14 | dka- | No everything is good |
| 22:39.17 | dka- | so far |
| 22:39.24 | sponix | dka-: glad to hear it |
| 22:39.31 | dka- | Thanks for helping !!! |
| 22:39.42 | sponix | dka-: starting to get a feeling for why I normally just fresh install now ? lol |
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| 22:50.21 | genr8_ | I really enjoy this software: https://github.com/jtesta/ssh-audit/ |
| 22:51.13 | genr8_ | very relevant for SSH hardening |
| 22:53.55 | genr8_ | server hardening. don't forget to harden your client too but thats with stuff like this: https://paste.debian.net/1166047/ |
| 22:54.39 | crosswinds | Any idea why my "alt" button is not mapped correctly in X11 and SE keymap? |
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| 22:54.57 | genr8_ | maybe it wants you to use right alt |
| 22:54.58 | crosswinds | for example, changeing tabs in irssi via alt+2 results in a small 2 |
| 22:55.29 | crosswinds | genr8_: probably.. |
| 22:56.09 | genr8_ | ah. sounds like Alt+GR is set to left alt, but it should be right alt to prevent stuff like that |
| 22:57.04 | genr8_ | I dont see the right version for swedish keymap. I see one called "No Dead Keys" |
| 22:57.28 | crosswinds | alt gr works as expected |
| 22:58.09 | genr8_ | hmmm |
| 22:58.52 | crosswinds | yeah, never had this happen before |
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| 23:05.17 | genr8_ | download xinput "apt-get install xinput" , then run "xinput list" find the right ID number for your keyboard, then run "xinput test ##" |
| 23:05.55 | genr8_ | left alt should be 64 |
| 23:06.23 | genr8_ | when you press left alt, xinput should print "key release 64" |
| 23:06.45 | crosswinds | alright, hold on :) |
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| 23:09.22 | crosswinds | virtual core keyboard have id 3, but it wont take that for some reason |
| 23:09.31 | genr8_ | thats not it. |
| 23:10.01 | crosswinds | at translated set 2 keyboard? |
| 23:10.04 | genr8_ | yes |
| 23:10.20 | crosswinds | yes left alt is 64 |
| 23:10.57 | genr8_ | idk then. that part is right anyway |
| 23:11.21 | crosswinds | yeah its a bit strange |
| 23:11.35 | genr8_ | run this command: "xmodmap" |
| 23:11.54 | genr8_ | modifiers are printed, and the keys are named and the hex codes are listed |
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| 23:12.20 | genr8_ | you're looking for 0x40 in this case. it should be named "Alt_L" |
| 23:12.32 | crosswinds | alt_l 0x40? |
| 23:12.36 | genr8_ | indeed |
| 23:12.54 | crosswinds | is it xterm specific? |
| 23:13.08 | genr8_ | no, this is for all X in general |
| 23:13.27 | crosswinds | yep it is xterm specific |
| 23:13.35 | crosswinds | in firefox the alt button works as expected |
| 23:13.46 | genr8_ | hmmm |
| 23:13.56 | crosswinds | but everything inside of xterm seem to result in funny behavior |
| 23:14.01 | crosswinds | that one was new to me |
| 23:14.25 | genr8_ | are you running bash for a shell, or something else ? |
| 23:15.03 | crosswinds | clean install so its bash? |
| 23:15.11 | genr8_ | yeah |
| 23:15.40 | genr8_ | well the shell and the terminal emulator, can remap also. but bash and xterm is pretty basic... idk why it would |
| 23:15.44 | crosswinds | first time debian user here, after about 15 years of gentoo, so im navigating unfamilliar waters :P |
| 23:16.20 | genr8_ | im not sure, i get the luxury of everything working on regular EN_US |
| 23:16.26 | crosswinds | The only custom settings for xterm is some color changes i did to forground and background |
| 23:17.19 | genr8_ | do "echo $LANG" |
| 23:17.30 | genr8_ | should say something like sv_SE.ISO-8859-1 |
| 23:18.06 | crosswinds | aha no, i got en_US |
| 23:18.19 | genr8_ | hmm |
| 23:18.33 | genr8_ | and you have a physical swedish keyboard ? |
| 23:18.41 | crosswinds | So probably i dont have the right map set for outside of X? |
| 23:18.48 | genr8_ | yea |
| 23:18.48 | crosswinds | yes. |
| 23:18.53 | crosswinds | hold on |
| 23:19.10 | genr8_ | sounds like your locale is wrong |
| 23:20.53 | genr8_ | Configuring Locales The Easy Way. Install debconf (i.e. run apt-get update then apt-get install debconf, as root) Run dpkg-reconfigure locales as root; A window will ask you to select the languages (you select with SPACE) you want to have available. Choose your own. Changes may not show immediately, a reboot will be needed.(or reloading the terminal) |
| 23:20.57 | crosswinds | Yeah, probably because i want english language in the system, and chsoed that dureing install |
| 23:21.06 | genr8_ | yeah |
| 23:21.36 | genr8_ | the language and the keyboard are 2 different things |
| 23:21.41 | crosswinds | Can i do that without altering the system language? |
| 23:21.46 | genr8_ | yes |
| 23:22.30 | crosswinds | debconf is installed dpkg-reconfigure command not found |
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| 23:23.00 | genr8_ | "dpkg-reconfigure locales" is the command (as root) |
| 23:23.26 | crosswinds | bash: dpkg-reconfigre locales: command not found |
| 23:23.31 | genr8_ | typo. |
| 23:23.37 | crosswinds | oh |
| 23:23.57 | crosswinds | bash: dpkg-reconfigure locales: command not found |
| 23:24.07 | genr8_ | odd |
| 23:24.41 | genr8_ | that comes from debconf. |
| 23:25.16 | genr8_ | maybe your PATH is wrong ? try the full path "/usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure locales" as root |
| 23:26.33 | genr8_ | also I think im wrong and this does change the screen language. |
| 23:26.34 | crosswinds | a fast google seems to point that i need sudo for some reason |
| 23:26.36 | crosswinds | never used sudo |
| 23:26.51 | genr8_ | i said, as root |
| 23:27.13 | jmcnaught | If you became root with "su" then you need to use "su -" or "su -l" to get a root login that has the correct environment including PATH with /sbin |
| 23:27.30 | genr8_ | thats outrageous |
| 23:27.38 | crosswinds | yeah, i used just su.. |
| 23:27.43 | crosswinds | this is very confusing :) |
| 23:27.57 | genr8_ | wow TIL |
| 23:28.13 | jmcnaught | !buster su |
| 23:28.13 | dpkg | In buster, su no longer overrides PATH by default, requiring that you use "su -" or "su -l" for login shells (which is not really a new thing at all...). To approximate the previous behaviour, put "ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes" in /etc/login.defs. See https://wiki.debian.org/NewInBuster#Changes for details. |
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| 23:29.16 | crosswinds | jmcnaught: any idea on the alt behaviour in bash/xterm? |
| 23:30.03 | genr8_ | yeah, im probably wrong on setting the locale to swedish to fix the keyboard in bash/xterm |
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| 23:30.08 | jmcnaught | crosswinds: no sorry |
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| 23:30.59 | crosswinds | well, its getting late. will have to continue this another day. genr8_ & jmcnaught thanks for your help |
| 23:31.17 | genr8_ | good luck maybe next time |
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| 23:42.11 | dka- | how can I ensure that device in ttyUSB0, ttyUSB1, ttyUSB2, ttyUSB3 never change to ttyUSB1, ttyUSB2, ttyUSB3, ttyUSB4 ? I have a SMS server and the device must be reachable on ttyUSB0, for some reason (maybe after a reboot I dont know), I see it changed to ttyUSB1. Rebooting the host solve the issue. How can I prevent ttyUSB0 to change? |
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| 23:47.32 | mutante | dka-: I think you need to write a udev rule to give it a static name. something like .. here: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/66901/how-to-bind-usb-device-under-a-static-name#66916 |
| 23:48.34 | mutante | also see the comment right below it though |
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| 23:53.49 | leoni | I like Debian. |
| 23:55.50 | dvs | I don't :-> |
| 23:56.04 | leoni | Why not? |
| 23:56.13 | dvs | jk |
| 23:56.44 | ozgur | Debian is bad |
| 23:58.05 | genr8_ | I like debian |
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| 23:58.40 | genr8_ | It could be better, but not everyone's me, it can't be perfect :) |
| 23:58.54 | dvs | It must! |
| 23:59.17 | ozgur | genr8_, hehe :) |
| 23:59.27 | ozgur | Debian is operating system not kernel and bad |
| 23:59.33 | ozgur | Linux is kernel is good |
| 23:59.47 | ozgur | BSD is kernel + operating system = perfect!\ |