| 00:00.08 | ozgur | macOS is wonderful |
| 00:00.10 | ozgur | :) |
| 00:00.24 | dvs | !start an os war |
| 00:00.25 | dpkg | VMS is better than Debian! Amiga Rocks! |
| 00:00.31 | ozgur | Linux kernel use to API model and system call and i dont like |
| 00:00.58 | joepublic | it may be lost in translation that dpkg's statements are irony, not incitement |
| 00:01.08 | ozgur | I like Gentoo (linux) FreeBSD and macOS |
| 00:01.41 | leoni | I'm confused now. |
| 00:01.57 | leoni | Debian is bad? |
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| 00:02.14 | dvs | Only in 1984 |
| 00:02.18 | ozgur | yep Debian is bad |
| 00:02.30 | leoni | Ok. Uninstalling Debian. |
| 00:02.45 | ozgur | no I didnt mean it |
| 00:02.54 | leoni | Ok. Reinstalling Debian. |
| 00:03.00 | ozgur | :) |
| 00:03.25 | ozgur | if you like linux kernel try use Gentoo |
| 00:07.25 | dka- | How can I solve : mount.nfs: access denied by server while mounting nas:/volume4/DKA_MEDIA (synology) |
| 00:08.05 | ozgur | exportfs -a |
| 00:08.12 | dka- | it use to work and stopped working, I am playing aroud with the squash config but do I need to refresh something on Debian so nfs can connect succefully? It feels like no configuration change are detected by debian after boot |
| 00:08.17 | ozgur | showmount -e nas:/volume4/DKA_MEDIA |
| 00:08.27 | dka- | -bash: exportfs: command not found |
| 00:08.40 | dka- | showmount -e nas:/volume4/DKA_MEDIA => clnt_create: RPC: Unknown host |
| 00:09.15 | ozgur | showmount -e 1 nfs-server-ip ? |
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| 00:12.32 | genr8_ | sounds like "nas" hostname failed to resolve to an IP |
| 00:15.28 | dka- | https://termbin.com/vfln |
| 00:15.47 | dka- | ping nas => 64 bytes from nas (192.168.1.100): icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=61.1 ms |
| 00:18.53 | genr8_ | your username or password is wrong then ? |
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| 00:19.15 | dka- | You don't need to set a username or password with `sudo mount` |
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| 00:54.55 | ozgur | hmm |
| 00:55.03 | ozgur | what is intel-microcode |
| 00:55.17 | ozgur | why i install | apt-get install intel-microcode |
| 00:55.20 | ozgur | ? |
| 00:56.16 | alex11 | mostly security fixes i guess and possibly some performance stuff; installing microcode is a common thing people do |
| 00:56.24 | alex11 | it is something you want |
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| 00:57.04 | ozgur | alex11, oh okay i understand my CPU Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-2630QM CPU @ 2.00GHz |
| 00:57.19 | alex11 | yeah, so install it |
| 00:57.25 | ozgur | should i just install intel-microcode? |
| 00:57.27 | ozgur | okay thanks |
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| 01:02.10 | alex11 | and then rebooyt |
| 01:02.12 | alex11 | reboot* |
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| 07:44.28 | alex11 | probably harmless |
| 07:44.30 | alex11 | just as a guess |
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| 07:48.46 | Haohmaru | ,v kicad |
| 07:48.47 | judd | Package: kicad on amd64 -- jessie: 0.20140622+bzr4027-3; stretch: 4.0.5+dfsg1-4; stretch-backports: 5.0.2+dfsg1-1~bpo9+1; buster: 5.0.2+dfsg1-1; stretch-backports-sloppy: 5.1.6+dfsg1-1~bpo9+1; buster-backports: 5.1.7+dfsg1-1~bpo10+1; bullseye: 5.1.7+dfsg1-1; sid: 5.1.7+dfsg1-1 |
| 07:48.54 | Haohmaru | ooooh |
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| 08:34.33 | fredl | Hmm, this is a bit funny to me. A directory is 775 and groupowned by group I'm member of |
| 08:35.17 | fredl | When the owner of the folder creates files in there, should I be able to chgrp that file? |
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| 08:41.24 | no_gravity | Good Morning |
| 08:41.28 | no_gravity | In one of my containers, "service mysql start" started to fail today. Any ideas how to figure out why? |
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| 08:42.28 | another | lock at the logs |
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| 08:43.24 | no_gravity | another: But which log? |
| 08:43.37 | no_gravity | On the host or in the container? |
| 08:44.26 | hwm4rgs | What do you think? |
| 08:44.52 | no_gravity | In the container I have not found any logs that contain info about the DB. |
| 08:45.11 | hwm4rgs | Check `docker logs` |
| 08:45.15 | no_gravity | There is /var/log/mysql/error.log but it is empty. |
| 08:45.25 | hwm4rgs | If it logs to stdout like most docker stuff does, it'll get captured by docker. |
| 08:46.18 | no_gravity | hwm4rgs: `docker logs mycontainer` seems to output my terminal session from inside the container. |
| 08:46.38 | no_gravity | hwm4rgs: There is nothing that I did not saw on the terminal. |
| 08:47.12 | no_gravity | After "service mysql start" there only is this: [....] Starting MariaDB database server: mysqld . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . [FAIL . . . . . . . . . . . failed! |
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| 08:48.07 | ratrace | maybe it's logged on the host side via journal? |
| 08:48.18 | no_gravity | ratrace: How would I check that? |
| 08:48.25 | ratrace | by using journalctl |
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| 08:49.36 | no_gravity | ratrace: "journalctl | grep -i mysql" and "journalctl | grep -i maria" come back empty on the host. |
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| 08:51.32 | ratrace | no_gravity: welp, you'll have to configure that docker thing to produce proper logs. |
| 08:52.13 | no_gravity | ratrace: How so? |
| 08:54.22 | ratrace | no_gravity: how so what? you need logs to see why the process failed, so you need to configure the service and/or the dock thing, to produce proper logs. |
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| 08:54.59 | ksk | docker does not have systemd/journald. Please use Docker 101 to debug.. |
| 08:55.11 | no_gravity | ksk: Docker 101? |
| 08:55.13 | ratrace | and if you're asking how to configure it? no idea, consult your docker manuals. using services in docker completely changes teh context of running a service, it overrides a lot of things, so you'll have to figure out how does it do thta. |
| 08:55.19 | ksk | no_gravity: yeah, like best practices. |
| 08:56.18 | no_gravity | Like this? docker run --log-driver=journald |
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| 08:57.09 | ksk | "docker logs $container" |
| 08:57.22 | no_gravity | ksk: That just shows me what I saw on the terminal. |
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| 08:57.35 | fuxxy | Rather stupid question - I apologize in advance. Currently, I have a collection of ISOs on a NAS, residing on a CIFS share. What methods could I use to *reliably* mount the cifs://path/to/share in my webroot directory? (This is just so netboot.xyz can use them for PXE boot, folder permissions are limited only to the private subnet) |
| 08:57.40 | no_gravity | ksk: That I typed "service mysql start" and got this: [....] Starting MariaDB database server: mysqld . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . [FAIL . . . . . . . . . . . failed! |
| 08:57.53 | fuxxy | no_gravity, 'journalctl -xe' |
| 08:58.02 | no_gravity | fuxxy: On the host or in the container? |
| 08:58.05 | ksk | fuxxy: there is no journal inside docker.. |
| 08:58.21 | fuxxy | ahh well then |
| 08:58.27 | ksk | no_gravity: then I suggest not using service, but rather trying to start mysql yourself, and see what errors you get. |
| 08:58.40 | no_gravity | ksk: How would I do that? |
| 08:58.42 | fuxxy | syslogd? |
| 08:58.48 | no_gravity | fuxxy: On the host or in the container? |
| 08:59.13 | fuxxy | no_gravity, no clue. I don't run containers, I spin up full VMs. |
| 08:59.40 | ksk | there is no syslogd in docker containers. please stop throwring in random stuff :> |
| 09:00.01 | ksk | no_gravity: imho, running service inside docker is also not how I would expect stuff to be.. |
| 09:00.10 | fuxxy | no_gravity, ksk has a point though. cat the init script and mimic the startup command that init is trying to start mariadb with. |
| 09:00.24 | no_gravity | fuxxy: Where is that init script? |
| 09:00.48 | ksk | no_gravity: maybe you should stop using docker and get some basic linux skillset before.. |
| 09:01.16 | ksk | else: use working containers, I would suspect dockerhub to have an official (working) mysql image.. |
| 09:01.34 | no_gravity | I tried starting docker with "--log-driver=journald" and then "journalctl CONTAINER_NAME=mycontainer" on the host. That gives me a bunch of Lines like this: [36B blob data] |
| 09:01.39 | no_gravity | Any idea what is that? |
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| 09:03.03 | fuxxy | no_gravity, journal is detecting binary instead of ascii |
| 09:03.20 | fuxxy | so rather than output gibberish, it tells you "blob data" |
| 09:04.01 | no_gravity | When I add "--all" to the command so it outputs the "binary" data, it is just my terminal session again. |
| 09:04.28 | ratrace | what a steaming pile that docker is...... |
| 09:04.29 | no_gravity | And the line lenghts match up with the numbers of the first output. "5B" = "exit" for example. |
| 09:04.36 | no_gravity | So nothing to see in that log I guess. |
| 09:04.40 | ratrace | do you even need it? are you running some other version than that's available in buster? |
| 09:05.11 | no_gravity | Well, that's another discussion. Right now I am trying to figure out the bug. |
| 09:05.26 | ratrace | not sure there's a "bug" |
| 09:05.27 | no_gravity | I wonder if the DB files are corrupted. |
| 09:05.41 | no_gravity | This container has worked fine for a year or two now. |
| 09:05.42 | ratrace | you really have to find out what the service is logging. |
| 09:07.35 | no_gravity | If it is logging something. |
| 09:07.35 | ratrace | no_gravity: did you get it from the hub? |
| 09:07.39 | no_gravity | ratrace: What? |
| 09:07.45 | ratrace | the mariadb docker |
| 09:08.04 | no_gravity | The image? Yes. It is a plain debian image and then "apt install mysql". |
| 09:08.05 | ratrace | anyway... there's few mentions of logging here, so see if that works: https://hub.docker.com/_/mariadb |
| 09:08.15 | fuxxy | no_gravity, mariadb website suggests running 'docker logs <dockername>' |
| 09:08.18 | ratrace | oh so it's not from the hub |
| 09:08.38 | no_gravity | ratrace: Well, it starts with the debian image from docker hub. |
| 09:08.53 | ratrace | no_gravity: and also that answers my previous question: do likely don't even need docker to run the versions that's just from the stable repos |
| 09:08.57 | no_gravity | fuxxy: That just gives me that same I saw in the terminal. |
| 09:09.14 | ratrace | no_gravity: not the same thing. mariadb docker is specifically set up and configured. otherwise you have to do it all yourself. |
| 09:09.24 | no_gravity | Yes, I do it all myself. |
| 09:09.35 | no_gravity | This container worked for a year or two now. |
| 09:09.41 | ratrace | so check the dockerfile of the "official" mariadb repo and how it's configured for logfiles |
| 09:09.41 | no_gravity | And now I try to figure out what changed. |
| 09:09.54 | ratrace | %s/repo/docker ..... |
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| 09:10.25 | ratrace | at least with podman you run pods. what does docker run? dockers? docks? garbagepiles? |
| 09:10.28 | another | if you do all yourself, your responsible for configuring logging |
| 09:10.37 | no_gravity | ratrace: If that logs something. We don't know. |
| 09:10.46 | ratrace | no_gravity: what do you mean |
| 09:10.54 | another | ratrace: container |
| 09:11.01 | ratrace | use verbs, people |
| 09:11.08 | no_gravity | ratrace: We don't know if the mariadb image logs stuff. |
| 09:11.11 | ratrace | full sentences please. verb subject object, .... |
| 09:11.25 | ratrace | no_gravity: "we" _could_ if you checked it |
| 09:11.31 | no_gravity | ratrace: How? |
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| 09:12.04 | another | which "we"? |
| 09:12.23 | ratrace | no_gravity: if only there were a global search engine you could use for "mariadb dockerfile" https://github.com/dockerfile/mariadb/blob/master/Dockerfile |
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| 09:13.14 | no_gravity | ratrace: I don't see anything in there that would make mariadb log something. |
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| 09:14.28 | ratrace | no_gravity: then look at the service config file and the base image config. is /var/log bind mounted, writeable, is it somewhere else... |
| 09:14.39 | fuxxy | no_gravity, I'm just spitballing here, but couldnt you enter the container with 'docker exec -it <container> bash', then run a 'find . -type f \( -iname '*init*' -o -iname '*service*' \)' ? |
| 09:14.51 | ratrace | no_gravity: like I said, docker changes _everything_ and there's no single answer to any question about it: it all depends on how it's configured |
| 09:15.49 | ratrace | fuxxy: that assumes the container is being abused as a VM. proper docker services are started by the docker itself, as single (master) service in the dock |
| 09:18.02 | fuxxy | ratrace, ahh. I've got no experience with docker, I was unaware. If mariadb is failing to start, how would one discover the daemon run command line? |
| 09:18.12 | ratrace | from the dockerfile |
| 09:19.09 | fuxxy | well, I suppose that's logical |
| 09:20.16 | fuxxy | and if no_gravity is configuring his own docker container, it would be safe to assume they should have a local copy of their dockerfile somewhere? |
| 09:20.28 | ratrace | and if there is no cmd or entrypoint or whatever in the dockerfile, one consults that specific dock's documentation, eg. as is explained here: https://github.com/dockerfile/mariadb :: but that is for the mariadb from the hub. no_gravity here has a custom docker so all the config is on them to make. |
| 09:21.07 | ratrace | fuxxy: probably not, and sounds like they're abusing the dock as a VM, by running apt from a shell within it |
| 09:22.10 | ratrace | SO ANYWAY.... no_gravity has to figure out how the service is configured: where does it log (by default somewhere in /var/log probably), is that path writeable, is it in the container namespace or bind mounted from ousside, etc.... |
| 09:22.34 | ratrace | like, some containers do very hateful abominations like symlinking their /var/log/<logfile> to /dev/stdout or stderr......... |
| 09:23.12 | ratrace | which then pushes those entries to the service's stdout/err on the host side, so then the service has to be configured to accept stdout/err into journal and/or a specific file... |
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| 09:24.21 | ratrace | why is it abomination? because it's pure text and you lose severity level and it's just a terrible way to do this. PROPER way is to expose journald and/or syslogd sockets into the namespace, or just use writeable varlog |
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| 09:32.20 | jelly | docker containers were meant to run single self-contained services. Configuring external logging is more a norm than the exception |
| 09:32.34 | jelly | containers shouldn't have persistent anything |
| 09:33.24 | sigint | jelly, well for a container database you better have a persitent something :) |
| 09:33.40 | ratrace | not in the container runtime namespace tho |
| 09:33.41 | jelly | sigint, it won't come from inside the container |
| 09:34.21 | jelly | k8s keeps persistent storage somewhere else, and presents slices to docker containers that need them |
| 09:36.13 | jelly | and I'm not sure it's a great idea to keep a database running inside containers and container infra designed and meant for epheremeral single-task machines |
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| 09:37.04 | jelly | (see how I stopped myself from saying it was fucking stupid) |
| 09:37.17 | jelly | oh snap |
| 09:37.18 | ratrace | awwww.... you almost had it :) |
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| 09:37.53 | jelly | at least I don't YELL AT PEOPLE DOING DUMB STUFF... that often |
| 09:38.56 | Haohmaru | what if they.. add moar rows to an excell document? >:) |
| 09:39.03 | Haohmaru | i mean columns |
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| 09:39.15 | ratrace | you export is as XML, duh! |
| 09:39.24 | Haohmaru | nah, they don't |
| 09:39.32 | Haohmaru | they keep adding columns |
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| 09:58.05 | no_gravity | So I got it to work with help from someone in #maria! |
| 09:58.08 | no_gravity | 1: I outcommented "skip_log_error" in /etc/mysql/mariadb.conf.d/50-mysqld_safe.cnf |
| 09:58.11 | no_gravity | 2: The there were entries in /var/log/mysql/error.log |
| 09:58.15 | no_gravity | 3: On saying it cannot access the aria_log_control file |
| 09:58.17 | no_gravity | 4: Setting that file to mode 0777 solved it. |
| 09:58.20 | no_gravity | Why is another question though. |
| 09:58.22 | no_gravity | I cannot remember fiddling with the rights in that directory today. |
| 09:58.48 | jelly | where is this aria_log_control file supposed to be |
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| 09:59.08 | Haohmaru | did someone drop a letter in there? |
| 09:59.19 | no_gravity | jelly: I have it in a directory that I mount into the container. |
| 09:59.31 | ratrace | !777 |
| 09:59.31 | dpkg | 777 is the mode corresponding to -rwxrwxrwx and is NEVER the right answer to your permission "problems". Anyone on your box (whether welcome or not) can do anything they want with those directories and files. It is VERY WRONG... learn how to use the permissions properly instead of leaving a gaping security hole to make something work in a hurry. Ask me about <user private groups>, <permissions>, <ftp must die>. |
| 10:00.17 | ratrace | at the very least you don't need exec bit on the logfiles. |
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| 10:00.41 | probo | hello |
| 10:00.42 | no_gravity | Not saying this is the final solution. But it shows where the problem is. |
| 10:01.16 | probo | how i can change panel color and add tarnsparency on plsma? |
| 10:01.45 | Haohmaru | from "the settings" i guess? |
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| 10:02.11 | Haohmaru | did you try right-clicking that panel? |
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| 10:03.13 | probo | only can add widgets or resize panel |
| 10:04.02 | rotaticus | in the next version. i guess |
| 10:04.34 | Haohmaru | no idea, i use LXDE, i can change ze colors fine |
| 10:04.39 | probo | maybe i must be edit somthing file from themes? |
| 10:05.10 | probo | drak themes doing panel dark |
| 10:05.10 | Haohmaru | that would suck, look more intensively at the menus/settings |
| 10:05.25 | Haohmaru | maybe it's hidden in some obscure place |
| 10:05.28 | rotaticus | but the transparency is always the same iirc |
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| 10:56.46 | iateadonut | you know how this #! is she-bang... is there a way to call this: $? |
| 10:57.24 | iateadonut | (which is used to echo a return value after a command is executed) |
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| 11:00.34 | oxek | I can't reboot my machine - this is the error I get https://paste.debian.net/hidden/b4dc849e/ |
| 11:00.46 | oxek | debian stable, connected to it over ssh |
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| 11:06.02 | iateadonut | what did systemctl status reboot.target tell you? |
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| 11:06.33 | oxek | that command does not give me any output |
| 11:06.40 | oxek | just seems to hang |
| 11:07.06 | oxek | oh nevermind, the command eventually gives me 'Failed to get properties: Connection timed out' |
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| 11:08.02 | Schrostfutz_ | Hi, I'm installing debian on a server with hardware raid. I used the option to use a single partition, however, after rebooting, I get dropped into a grub rescue shell because grub "Attempt to read outside disk". Does anyone know what I might be doing wrong? Afaik, the server does not support EFI, but the partition table is GPT, could that be causing issus? |
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| 11:34.54 | fireba11 | Schrostfutz_: if the server is running linux natively (which it seems it will) i'd seriously consider not using the hardware raid at at if it's not a very fancy controller with it's own cache etc. |
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| 11:40.05 | shtrb | Is there a saner way to plot sensor data then going with with sensors -j >> result.json , using jq to extract fields , and using gnuplot for that data ? |
| 11:41.28 | shtrb | I need to record two weeks of usage |
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| 11:44.50 | sigint | shtrb, depending on what sensors you're interested in, you could also read files in /sys/class/hwmon. I do that to monitor temperature without relying on lm-sensors. |
| 11:45.05 | shtrb | I need temp only |
| 11:45.19 | sigint | That being said, the pipeline you described is not bad IMO |
| 11:45.51 | Schrostfutz_ | fireba11: In fact it is a proper raid controller with on disk cache an internal battery. |
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| 11:51.06 | Bushmaster | in my Debian, I can access Apache log but cant see the IP address of people who are given privilege to access my server, it only shows my internal IP which I utilize for home server |
| 11:52.34 | sigint | shtrb, also if you're just interested in plotting the data, maybe take a look at https://github.com/netdata/netdata It's lightweight and simple to setup |
| 11:53.55 | ws2k3 | i would like i have a weird issue with my debian machine. as root i mount an sshfs on a folder. folder is chmod 777 and mount works fine. but when i su to another user i cannot access the mount. and an ls -la show me this: d????????? ? ? ? ? ? storageGL im trying to figure out why another user cannot see or access this mount |
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| 11:57.55 | fireba11 | Bushmaster: you probably got some port forwarding etc. in your setup |
| 11:58.23 | Bushmaster | fireba11, yes port 80 is open |
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| 11:58.54 | fireba11 | Bushmaster: not what i meant |
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| 11:59.29 | another | ws2k3: there's some fuse option. forgot which one |
| 11:59.54 | ws2k3 | another: yeah :facepalm: i just found it -o allow_other :D |
| 11:59.55 | Bushmaster | I just need to know whether it is possible to see who is accessing my webserver thats all |
| 12:00.31 | ws2k3 | Bushmaster: it depends. does ur box have a public ip? |
| 12:00.42 | Bushmaster | ws2k3, yes |
| 12:00.52 | ws2k3 | Bushmaster: pm me the ip if you want |
| 12:01.05 | Bushmaster | ws2k3, okay |
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| 12:06.29 | fireba11 | Bushmaster: normally the IPs get logged if your server got a public IP and your logging options are set accordingly (which is default in debian if i recall correctly) |
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| 12:10.10 | Bushmaster | thanks fireba11 |
| 12:11.37 | ratrace | y'all confusing port forwarding with proxying? |
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| 12:29.33 | rneese | hey guys and gals |
| 12:29.43 | rneese | question about bullseye |
| 12:30.16 | dvs | !debian-next |
| 12:30.17 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also https://wiki.debian.org/IRC and https://wiki.debian.org/GettingHelpOnIrc |
| 12:30.46 | rneese | cant join it its invite only |
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| 12:31.11 | dvs | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:37.05 | ratrace | I don't recall last time someone read the factoid and understood right away it's on OFTC.... |
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| 12:37.53 | rtyuio | hi there |
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| 12:39.38 | ratrace | Maybe the factoid should be turned upside down, FIRST mentiong it's on OFTC, then saying "if you get....", and finally stating it's #debian-next. because right now brains see only that #debian-next initially, without really reading the rest |
| 12:39.53 | jelly | people who get it right don't mention that, they just ask in the right place |
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| 12:40.26 | jelly | needs more CAPS and OFTC mentioned at least 4 times, 2 is not enough |
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| 12:40.51 | jelly | dpkg, literal debian-next |
| 12:40.51 | dpkg | "debian-next" is "<reply> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also https://wiki.debian.org/IRC and https://wiki.debian.org/GettingHelpOnIrc" |
| 12:41.33 | ratrace | Nobody(R)(TM) reads that far. |
| 12:41.35 | H4ndy | Can't you just add a full IRC link to the channel? |
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| 12:42.38 | ratrace | How 'bout "Please join the OFTC network, and on that network join the #debian-next channel." forces them peepers to scan the whole thing. |
| 12:42.41 | jelly | like irc://irc.oftc.net/#debian-next ? |
| 12:42.55 | jelly | only some clients understand that |
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| 12:44.12 | jelly | my hexchat does not realize "irc.oftc.net" is the same network as OFTC I'm already connected to, and wants to establish a new server connection |
| 12:44.49 | ratrace | Shame. |
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| 12:49.55 | sigint | What about something like: "Support for XXX is provided on another IRC server, NOT HERE ON FREENODE. Please join #xxx on irc.oftc.net" |
| 12:50.22 | sigint | I don't doubt that "OFTC network" is the correct term, but if you're not familiar with it it doesn't really register |
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| 12:53.03 | EdePopede | ratrace: i suggested this already some time ago ;) and yesterday or so i did a '/me waiting' in that situation and the user in question didn't return. so it may have been the enlightened one :=) |
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| 12:59.12 | H4ndy | I don't understand why that's on a separate network to begin with but eh 𤷠|
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| 13:01.23 | ratrace | H4ndy: actually #debian here on Freenode is an exception. |
| 13:02.06 | ratrace | irc.debian.org is basically pointing to OFTC |
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| 13:02.48 | ratrace | It's a CNAME for irc.geo.oftc.net, to be precise. |
| 13:02.55 | H4ndy | I see. But this channel here is much more active 𤷠|
| 13:03.11 | H4ndy | Well, doesn't matter. As long as it works |
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| 13:10.03 | H4ndy | experimented a bit with irc:// links, they're not really handled well from within IRC clients. It's not a good solution to send people over to OFTC |
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| 13:14.40 | nevivurn | Hi, I am trying to install debian w/ debootstrap and partitioning manually, because I am anal about my partitions. Can anyone recommend a live system to do this from? |
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| 13:15.46 | nevivurn | I could do this from the standard debian live, but it lacks a lot of basic utilities and having to reinstall those every time is painful. |
| 13:16.56 | ratrace | nevivurn: Ubuntu. jokes aside, it's got ZFS, latest tools and supports debootstrap. |
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| 13:17.58 | nevivurn | Huh, might work. Didn't know they shipped headless live versions. |
| 13:18.04 | ratrace | alas, you might need to apt install stuff... is that not an option with debian live? |
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| 13:19.14 | nevivurn | Yes, but having stuff like vim (not vim-tiny) installed by default, for instance, helps |
| 13:21.46 | ratrace | nevivurn: and you need full vim to debootstrap because....? |
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| 13:23.07 | nevivurn | among others, setting up networking before debootstrap and fstab before chroot |
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| 13:25.01 | ratrace | nevivurn: that's fine, but why do you need full vim, with all the extras shebang, instead of vim-tiny, for that? |
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| 13:27.42 | nevivurn | It has some behavior that trips me up when trying to do stuff |
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| 13:28.14 | n4dir | gotta say that i got hard times with vim-tiny too |
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| 13:32.22 | CrabMan | I've just done a fresh install of Debian 10. I want to configure automatic upgrades of packages. https://wiki.debian.org/UnattendedUpgrades says I need to activate them by changing either the contents of 20auto-upgrades, or the contents of 02periodic (both files are supposed to be in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d). However, I don't have either file there. What should I do? |
| 13:35.51 | ratrace | CrabMan: best advice: don't do it at all. |
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| 13:36.29 | hop | CrabMan: have you installed the package? |
| 13:37.08 | ratrace | unattended upgrades will: 1) be incomplete as the services are not restarted for lib updates, 2) be incomplete as it doesn't reboot for kernel or glibc updates, 3) cause random breakage and hilarity if you use backports or third party repos |
| 13:37.35 | ratrace | rather, use something like apticron and get informed when there's upgrades pending, review them and apply in a controlled fasion, |
| 13:37.38 | ratrace | *fashion |
| 13:38.39 | CrabMan | hop: I've installed unattended-upgrades. Thus, I have a file /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50unattended-upgrades. But I don't have the other two. |
| 13:39.11 | CrabMan | ratrace: No, that doesn't sound good. Also, I've had unattended upgrades with automatic rebooting on a server for 2 years and had 0 problems with that. |
| 13:39.31 | ratrace | that you know of. |
| 13:39.57 | ratrace | but most certainly, you had a fairly vulnerable system for every upgrade that required reboot or service restart that you didn't do yourself. |
| 13:40.03 | ratrace | so, don't kid yourself. |
| 13:40.47 | ratrace | (for every security upgrade, that is) |
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| 13:41.17 | jelly | ratrace, a GUI ought to notify the user it's time to reboot |
| 13:41.35 | jelly | I do not know whether that works on Debian |
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| 13:41.57 | jelly | it works fairly well on the derivative distro unattended-upgrades came from |
| 13:42.35 | ratrace | we had a situation here last week caused by unattendedupgrades causing quite a mess |
| 13:42.43 | ratrace | here, in the channel |
| 13:43.22 | ratrace | but oh well... whatever is your poison, righ? just know what you're dealing with. |
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| 13:45.19 | hop | CrabMan: you can always create them, but i'm not quite sure, why they would be missing |
| 13:45.40 | CrabMan | My best guess is that these files were used in Debian 9 but are no longer needed in Debian 10 and thus unattended upgrades will work without them. But I am not sure. |
| 13:45.55 | CrabMan | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:46.06 | hop | CrabMan: i have them in sid, so⦠no? |
| 13:46.07 | jelly | I wouldn't touch it with a 10' pole on Debian, but I see the allure and who knows, it might be worth for some to save time on patching even if offset by time spent fixing things |
| 13:46.48 | jelly | as long as htey don't reboot your whole cluster at the same time |
| 13:46.55 | ratrace | or the price for being lazy is an acceptable one :) |
| 13:46.58 | fireba11 | hm, i useded cron-apt to install updates, at least then i can get mail reports about changes :-P |
| 13:47.00 | hop | yeah, i only use it on a throwaway box and auto-reboot it every night |
| 13:48.10 | CrabMan | hop: could you please check what package they were installed by? I think you can do that by `apt-file search /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/20auto-upgrades` and `apt-file search /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/02periodic`. |
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| 13:51.47 | Sark | I'm trying once again to troubleshoot my mouse button issues - to recap, right and left buttons work normally, middle button does not send a press event until after the button is released. |
| 13:51.57 | Sark | This makes bringing up any sort of menu with it impossible. |
| 13:52.11 | Sark | But I really don't know where to begin to troubleshoot this problem. |
| 13:52.29 | hop | CrabMan: i don't think apt-file will find them as they are rcs, but i did check on p.d.o before even answering you |
| 13:52.56 | Sark | Or what sort of drivers the mouse uses these days. It's not the mouse itself, I've tried three different mice, both USB and PS/2, and the problem is consistent. It's also a Debian problem in general, because the problem happens on multiple computers. |
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| 13:56.09 | b-04 | Hi! How are you? I wanted to know why in debian 10 buster, the latest version of apache available is 2.4.38, when apache already goes for version 2.4.46. thank you very much! |
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| 13:57.09 | nevivurn | ,v apache2 |
| 13:57.10 | judd | Package: apache2 on amd64 -- jessie: 2.4.10-10+deb8u12; jessie-security: 2.4.10-10+deb8u16; stretch: 2.4.25-3+deb9u9; stretch-security: 2.4.25-3+deb9u9; buster: 2.4.38-3+deb10u4; buster-security: 2.4.38-3+deb10u4; stretch-backports-sloppy: 2.4.43-1~bpo9+1; buster-backports: 2.4.46-1~bpo10+1; bullseye: 2.4.46-1; sid: 2.4.46-1 |
| 13:57.17 | CrabMan | It turns out I didn't pay enough attention when reading the wiki page. It says: |
| 13:57.17 | CrabMan | >The file /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/20auto-upgrades can be created manually or by running the following command as root: dpkg-reconfigure -plow unattended-upgrades |
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| 13:57.39 | jelly | plow those upgrades |
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| 13:57.51 | ratrace | b-04: you can get it from backports |
| 13:57.55 | nevivurn | b-04: if you really need to latest version, you can probably get them from backports. |
| 13:58.37 | jelly | b-04, because Debian does not bring newer versions of software into an established release. Only security fixes. |
| 13:58.51 | ratrace | b-04: also, keep in mind that this is an exception, rather than the rule. The Debian Stable concept, even with some backports, is NOT about having latst software. |
| 13:58.54 | b-04 | thanks so i add the backports repository. 2.4.38 is vulnerable I understand, why should it take time to get the latest update? if 2.4.43 is stable? |
| 13:59.05 | jelly | b-04, vulnerable to what? |
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| 13:59.54 | nevivurn | b-04: the maintainers/security team will usually make sure security fixes are backported to stable, so you usually don't need to go to backports for security fixes |
| 13:59.55 | jelly | b-04, Debian fixes all known security problems in the same fixed version |
| 13:59.59 | b-04 | Ah perfect, I mean that 2.4.38, which is the last of debian, is patched |
| 14:00.04 | jelly | s/usually/ever/ |
| 14:00.11 | jelly | b-04, patched for WHAT? |
| 14:00.13 | ratrace | b-04: main package versions (eg 2.4.38) are base versions in the moment of freeze. security fixes are backported (patch level versions, eg. -3+deb10u4) |
| 14:00.32 | ratrace | but yes, not ALL fixes are backported, like jelly implied, so you need to specify what vulnerability are you looking at |
| 14:00.45 | jelly | if you have a specific vulnerability in mind you can look it up on the |
| 14:00.48 | jelly | !tracker of doom |
| 14:00.48 | dpkg | The Tracker of Doom is a vulnerability database maintained by the Debian security team, viewable at http://security-tracker.debian.org/ . Ask me about <cve lookup CVE-yyyy-nnnn> to get Debian-specific information on a CVE number. See also http://www.debian.org/security/crossreferences or ask me about <debsecan> http://www.enyo.de/fw/software/debsecan/ |
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| 14:01.56 | jelly | all known security issues are either fixed, in process of fixing, or explicitely deemed by a debian developer not to be serious enough to be worth fixing. |
| 14:02.13 | jelly | all those states will be shown on security-tracker |
| 14:02.42 | b-04 | excellent ... understood! Thanks for the information, I will take into account the CVE search engine. thank you all for your time and your responses! |
| 14:02.46 | b-04 | :) |
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| 14:03.01 | jelly | b-04, so if some automated check is telling you "2.4.38" is vulnerable to CVE-XXXX-YYYY, that check is typically crap |
| 14:03.31 | hop | CrabMan: sorry! i have set the priority to low by default on that box |
| 14:04.27 | jelly | hint: almost no PCI DSS scanners deal properly with Debian's security patches |
| 14:04.51 | ratrace | which is fine, Debian is not (supposed to be) PCI compliant |
| 14:05.03 | jelly | it is. |
| 14:05.11 | ratrace | since when? |
| 14:05.14 | jelly | or needs very few tunings |
| 14:05.27 | ratrace | there is compliance certification for Debian? |
| 14:05.34 | b-04 | jelly, haha thanks! I stay calm :P |
| 14:05.38 | jelly | no certification of course |
| 14:05.53 | ratrace | righ, so any compliance is accidental and not a certified guarantee |
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| 14:07.21 | jelly | ratrace, we have customers running ecommerce on debian; they use automated scanners to keep their compliance in check, and we have to help them every 3 months or so explain their compliance vendor Debian's apache and openssh packages, are, in fact, free of the supposed issues |
| 14:08.10 | ratrace | well that's different from "Debian is supposed to be PCI compliant". that you can make it so is not in question. |
| 14:08.14 | jelly | it's not Debian that is certified, just a couple installation of Debian. |
| 14:09.02 | Sark | OK, hrm. I think maybe it's a bug in the generic USBPS2 mouse driver? If I plug in a Microsoft Intellimouse, it recognizes it as such, and the middle button (well, really a scroll wheel, but it clicks as a button) works as expected. |
| 14:09.38 | Sark | But the regular mice - the Logitech and the Sun USB mice, and the PS/2 mice on USB adapter - don't work right. |
| 14:09.47 | Sark | And those use the USBPS2 driver. |
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| 14:27.44 | jim | can a udev rule assign a specific major and minor number, one that I make up, to a usb device |
| 14:28.03 | jim | ? |
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| 14:31.47 | jelly | unlikely, as (major, minor, type) are mostly hardcoded to specific device drivers in kernel |
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| 14:34.08 | jim | so the major number identifies the driver, and the minor number identifies the device? |
| 14:34.34 | imMute | jim: typically, but not always. the two together definitely identify the device though. |
| 14:34.35 | ratrace | this smells like an XY problem... |
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| 14:36.04 | jelly | jim, all three identify the driver managing a specific type of device(s) |
| 14:36.56 | jelly | same major, minor but different block or character device type usually means completely different drivers/devices |
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| 14:39.10 | jim | the reason I want to do this, I have two usb cameras, and I want each to resolve to the same major/minor every time |
| 14:40.07 | greycat | ... |
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| 14:43.22 | jim | say their serial numbers are A and B, I want to write two rules that say: if serial is A, set major/minor to one constant value, else if serial is B, set maj/min to another constant value (said values meant to cooperate with which driver it is) |
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| 14:44.10 | greycat | !xy |
| 14:44.10 | dpkg | Slow down for a bit! Are you sure that you need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's easy to miss that there is a better way to proceed. See http://mywiki.wooledge.org/XyProblem |
| 14:44.59 | jim | that;'s the objective. to have the cameras identify themselves the same every time |
| 14:45.22 | greycat | So you set up udev rules for this. |
| 14:45.42 | greycat | You do not try to rewrite the entire freaking Linux device driver system. |
| 14:45.44 | jim | I would like to, I would have to learn how first |
| 14:46.14 | jim | I don't want to write kernel code |
| 14:46.55 | jim | not the goal, otherwise this might take anywhere between 6 months and 6 years, and I don't have that kind of time |
| 14:47.32 | Haohmaru | mktime 6y |
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| 14:49.06 | jim | setting up udev rules -is- what I want to do, to get the cameras identifying themselves the same way every time they're plugged in (actually, one is installed in the machine (I have reason to believe it's usb inside the laptop), the other is connected by an external usb cable |
| 14:49.08 | jelly | jim, why do you care about their major, minor anyway |
| 14:49.20 | MikeDebian | heys guys. how can I check if metadata_csum flag is either "ON" or "OFF" on a md array filesystem? |
| 14:49.29 | jim | because I want them to identify the same every time |
| 14:49.47 | jelly | so THAT'S the actual goal then |
| 14:49.57 | jim | yes |
| 14:50.33 | jim | and if I can do that by influencing the major/minor pair, that's what I want to do |
| 14:50.37 | greycat | What do you even mean by "identify"? Do you mean their device pathname, /dev/foobar? |
| 14:51.42 | jim | what I -don't- want to do (but might have to) is edit a video application's config file to specify the camera |
| 14:51.45 | dotcom | jim: these are IP cameras? |
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| 14:52.11 | Haohmaru | you-es-bee |
| 14:52.21 | jim | dunno for sure, I only know they're usb |
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| 14:52.52 | subcool | Question - in a Debian affiliate, - I am using ParrotSec OS- and it refuses to have any affiliation with Extfat - Denies it being mounted, refuses to format in extfat. I have th packages installed. |
| 14:52.58 | sigint | jim, what about /dev/v4l/by-id/ ? |
| 14:53.04 | dotcom | ^ |
| 14:53.09 | jim | those are symlinks |
| 14:53.10 | subcool | I am not getting anyting outta google other than manual ways to mount- which dont work. |
| 14:53.51 | sigint | jim, symlinks that identify cameras by their unique ID |
| 14:54.06 | sigint | isn't it what you're trying to achieve? |
| 14:54.16 | jim | unique ids which could change every time I boot |
| 14:54.17 | greycat | !parrot |
| 14:54.17 | dpkg | Parrot Linux is a distribution based on <testing> for security experts, developers and privacy aware people. It is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Support can be found in #parrotsec on Freenode or the community pages https://docs.parrotlinux.org/community. Ask me about <based on debian> and <parrot-overnight>. If you are new to linux, try using Debian: http://www.debian.org. |
| 14:55.12 | jim | and that's what I don't want (not sure I can get that, that's why I'm asking) |
| 14:55.42 | MikeDebian | never mind, I got it |
| 14:55.57 | subcool | talk about a scape goat |
| 14:56.00 | sigint | jim, your two cameras have the same serial ID? (as given by usb-devices) |
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| 14:56.08 | subcool | It is debian. but- fine. thanksf or being useless |
| 14:56.18 | sigint | I mean SerialNumber |
| 14:56.23 | jim | I don't believe so, they're different mfgrs |
| 14:56.31 | subcool | greycat, i mean u- just in case there was confusion. |
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| 14:57.29 | greycat | Please spread the word: #debian will not help people who use "derivatives". |
| 14:58.07 | jim | subcool, theyre really doing you a favor, you should ask on the dist channel for parrot... (otherwise the debian folks would have to learn every debian derivative, and how they change from debian itself) |
| 14:58.09 | Whiskey` | shocker. isnt that sop for most distros? |
| 14:58.12 | ratrace | shoulda kicknab. |
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| 14:58.55 | blocked_mysql | hi i have this problem ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'%' (using password: YES) |
| 14:59.22 | sigint | jim, so you should be able to create two udev rules, one for each vendor/product that creates a symlink to /dev/my-current-camera |
| 14:59.45 | blocked_mysql | ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'%' (using password: YES) |
| 15:00.10 | blocked_mysql | mysqld_safe --skip-grant-tables doesn't work, i have tried putting another password.. and the same |
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| 15:01.09 | jim | sigint, I could key on the vendor/product, or even just the vendor, or the serial number (that is, in my present situation) |
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| 15:02.10 | sigint | jim, yes any of these combinations should work |
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| 15:03.29 | jim | can I write a test rule? one that shows some attribs of the camera? |
| 15:03.57 | jim | and would tell me if it fires for the camera it targets |
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| 15:07.11 | sigint | yes, make it create a file like /tmp/camera-1 or /tmp/camera-2 |
| 15:07.17 | jim | so, are the major/minor numbers assigned before the udev rule fires? |
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| 15:07.24 | greycat | from udev(7) under RULES FILES: "A matching rule may rename a network interface, add symlinks pointing to the device node, or run a specified program as part of the event handling." |
| 15:07.44 | greycat | So your rule would create a new symlink like /dev/camera1 to point to whatever the automatically generated name is. |
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| 15:09.27 | jim | greycat, so in fact, udev -cannot- change the maj/min numbers? |
| 15:09.53 | greycat | Why are you so goddamned FIXATED on that?! |
| 15:10.18 | Haohmaru | plays a major-minor chord |
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| 15:10.53 | jim | if the answer is no, then I want to assign them; if the answer is yes, I have to come up with a different plan entirely (so, no, I'm not fixated) |
| 15:11.15 | greycat | What is your actual GOAL? What problem are you trying to solve? |
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| 15:11.26 | jim | Haohmaru, that's a dominant chord :) or maybe you mean min-maj? |
| 15:11.50 | Haohmaru | jim i don't know music theory |
| 15:12.14 | Haohmaru | don't get distracted, look wut greycat asked u |
| 15:13.53 | ratrace | 16:34 < ratrace> this smells like an XY problem... |
| 15:14.18 | ratrace | that's CET, aka UTC+2 atm. |
| 15:15.11 | greycat | Yes, I saw. I concur, |
| 15:16.41 | ratrace | I mean, I can't imagine the reason why one would want to do that. I guess there could be one, I just cannot imagine it. |
| 15:17.00 | jim | greycat, I'm running obs, which might get the cameras wrong sometimes (discovered this when I saved, quit, and restarted obs), so I think obs is saving the device node directly, which might change when the machine is booted again, maybe it changes because both cameras sometimes are not available at boot time, so the one that is present gets a different major/minor, and then what's on the screen changes to something I didn't expect or want, and I have to |
| 15:17.01 | jim | configure again, and try to find the other camera, it's a waste of time |
| 15:17.03 | Haohmaru | gives some fishy drugs to ratrace |
| 15:17.42 | ratrace | make acid great again |
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| 15:17.59 | Haohmaru | i have some acid.. music |
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| 15:18.39 | ratrace | Listening to this, coincidentally, right now. https://youtu.be/XUAAUALfTVA |
| 15:19.04 | greycat | So this "obs" thing which you think is "saving the device node", means you actually care about the device node. /dev/frobozz123. Yes? Not the major/minor numbers. but the device pathname. |
| 15:19.54 | greycat | Therefore the solution is to write a udev rule that creates a consistent device pathname for each camera, and tell obs to use YOUR pathname. |
| 15:19.57 | ratrace | it's the obs-studio I suppose |
| 15:20.01 | ratrace | ,i obs-studio |
| 15:20.03 | judd | Package obs-studio (video, optional) in buster/amd64: recorder and streamer for live video content. Version: 22.0.3+dfsg1-1; Size: 1316.7k; Installed: 6543k; Homepage: https://obsproject.com; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/obs-studio |
| 15:20.25 | ratrace | very popular among linux based vidcasters |
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| 15:46.56 | jim | so if obs does save the device node instead of the unique path/symlink to the device node, maybe there's a bug in obs |
| 15:47.11 | greycat | ... what |
| 15:47.31 | Haohmaru | <lil_jon-what.wav> |
| 15:47.31 | greycat | Everything you say is SO confusing. The "device node" IS the device pathname. /dev/foobar. |
| 15:47.44 | greycat | This is how things interact with devices. |
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| 15:48.27 | jim | the one it should probably save, is the symlink in /dev/v4l/by-id |
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| 15:49.12 | greycat | I don't know anything about obs, so if your goal is "make obs use the correct camera" (which I believe IS your goal), and your attempt to achieve this goal is "write a udev rule to make the camera always be named /dev/jimcamera1 and tell obs to use /dev/jimcamera1", then you'll have to research those two things and you're done. |
| 15:49.19 | jim | then the device node, the thing with the major/minor numbers, can change all it wants, if the synlink stays the same |
| 15:49.27 | jim | the app shouldn't matter |
| 15:49.38 | z8z | Hello and sorry in advance for the noob question, but i see this TL-WN725N usb wireless that is maybe compatible with Debian FOSS driver? How can i make sure about that? |
| 15:49.56 | greycat | How can you make sure? Plug it in and see if it works. |
| 15:50.03 | jim | it probably means I -will- have to edit obs configs |
| 15:50.11 | jim | which I didn't want to do |
| 15:50.28 | jim | did that |
| 15:50.37 | z8z | greycat: I don't have it, i'm asking before buying -_- |
| 15:51.26 | greycat | So you don't want to make sure... you just want internet advice on a purchase. Well, google the device's model number plus "debian" and see what you get. If you can get the PCI ID, even better -- add that to your google search. |
| 15:51.26 | Haohmaru | did you websearch? |
| 15:52.37 | z8z | I see a github project for those drivers, does that mean is as safe as any other FOSS driver in terms of privacy/security? |
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| 15:53.02 | jim | ok, I think I understand what I can from here. now, I gotta talk to the obs people |
| 15:53.16 | Haohmaru | gives jim a megaphone |
| 15:53.17 | greycat | To *me* personally, "the only driver is in some random github" would be a huge red flag. But you may have a different opinion. |
| 15:53.34 | Haohmaru | +1 greycat |
| 15:53.55 | Haohmaru | altho "wifi" is a huge red flag in my book |
| 15:54.11 | Haohmaru | ethernet/lan or gtfo |
| 15:55.18 | z8z | Ok maybe i should ask directly if you know any wireless pendrive which is compatible with debian free drivers |
| 15:55.21 | jim | yeah, that would concern me too, z8z, is that github driver the -only- one for that device? |
| 15:56.25 | z8z | jim: I don't know, it's this one: https://github.com/ilnanny/TL-WN725N-TP-Link-Debian |
| 15:57.02 | z8z | z8z: Do an hardware need to have multiple drivers for the same purpose to be considered safe? |
| 15:57.13 | jelly | z8z, 2.4GHz or 5GHz or both? Something that uses ath9k_htc driver would be a start |
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| 15:57.51 | jelly | that one has free firmware. I'm not sure if the free firmware ended up in Debian 10. |
| 15:57.52 | z8z | jelly: 2.4GHz is also ok, or either of those |
| 15:58.35 | jelly | judd, file ath9k_htc/htc_9271-1.4.0.fw |
| 15:58.39 | judd | Search for ath9k_htc/htc_9271-1.4.0.fw in buster/amd64: firmware-atheros: lib/firmware/ath9k_htc/htc_9271-1.4.0.fw |
| 15:58.45 | jelly | ,i firmware-atheros |
| 15:58.47 | judd | Package firmware-atheros (non-free/kernel, optional) in buster/amd64: Binary firmware for Atheros wireless cards. Version: 20190114-2; Size: 3917.1k; Installed: 10856k; Homepage: https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/firmware/linux-firmware.git |
| 15:58.52 | jelly | still in non-free |
| 15:59.10 | z8z | jelly: ('-_-) |
| 15:59.12 | jelly | judd, file ath9k_htc/htc_9271-1.4.0.fw --release sid |
| 15:59.17 | judd | Search for ath9k_htc/htc_9271-1.4.0.fw in sid/amd64: firmware-atheros: lib/firmware/ath9k_htc/htc_9271-1.4.0.fw |
| 15:59.48 | jelly | well, do you care about freedom or do you care about working out-of-the-box more? |
| 16:00.26 | jelly | if it's just working out of the box, you can install debian from the unofficial installer images with firmware |
| 16:00.27 | z8z | I see rtl8812au is it the same as htc_9271 ? |
| 16:00.47 | jelly | rtl is a different chip manufacturer, not atheros |
| 16:01.12 | z8z | So we are talking about a different card from the link i sent |
| 16:01.40 | jelly | yes. Yours seems to be a cheap TP-Link with a random realtek chip |
| 16:02.05 | z8z | jelly: It's fine like that for me |
| 16:02.06 | jelly | deices with Atheros chips are typically more expensive |
| 16:02.36 | jelly | !rtl8812au |
| 16:02.39 | z8z | jelly: I saw one from ThinkPenguin but it costs 50$ with shipping included |
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| 16:02.56 | z8z | jelly: Actually more :( |
| 16:02.59 | jelly | right, freedom does not come for free |
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| 16:04.17 | z8z | jelly: Seems like freedom is expensier :| |
| 16:05.02 | jelly | which is why I asked what would your priorities be |
| 16:06.02 | a_flayer | z8z, just work harder, earn more money, it will set you free |
| 16:06.27 | a_flayer | work will set you free |
| 16:06.31 | a_flayer | trust me |
| 16:06.33 | a_flayer | i'm german |
| 16:06.37 | a_flayer | i know this story |
| 16:06.42 | ratrace | unfunnny |
| 16:06.47 | a_flayer | fact of life. |
| 16:06.59 | z8z | Sorry lost the connection |
| 16:07.07 | a_flayer | exactly |
| 16:07.26 | ratrace | only in context of Auschwitz |
| 16:08.10 | a_flayer | you have to pay more for your freedom, so you have to work to be able to afford it |
| 16:08.29 | a_flayer | and if you can't do the kind of work that pays more, you end up having to work more hours to be able to afford freedom |
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| 16:15.36 | jim | a_flayer. so you're saying you have to sacrifice your time doing something that may help your boss become free, in order that you can be free |
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| 16:17.35 | a_flayer | lmao |
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| 16:21.02 | jim | ok, I was told the obs people are talking about the problem of keeping the cameras consistant in scenes, they had a discussion before, sometime |
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| 16:39.30 | tramplefoot | best graphical music player? |
| 16:39.49 | tramplefoot | im torn between gmusicbrowser and audacity but im pretty sure im missing out on something |
| 16:40.01 | dotcom | player? like XMMS? |
| 16:40.05 | EoflaOE | I personally use audacity to listen to my n |
| 16:40.10 | EoflaOE | music* |
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| 16:41.18 | sney | vlc grew a nice media library interface at some point |
| 16:41.24 | sney | it's pretty minimal but it does the trick |
| 16:41.45 | diogenes_ | audacity is editor, maybe you mean audacious (my fav is DeaDBeeF). |
| 16:42.18 | tramplefoot | i mean audacious** |
| 16:42.58 | tramplefoot | DeaDBeeF is similiar to foobar2000, right? |
| 16:43.12 | diogenes_ | yep |
| 16:43.15 | jim | greycat, obs-studio has generated this pull request: https://github.com/obsproject/obs-studio/pull/3437 , which may solve the problem when someone has more than one camera |
| 16:43.23 | tramplefoot | ,i deadbeef |
| 16:43.24 | judd | No package named 'deadbeef' was found in buster/amd64. |
| 16:43.38 | tramplefoot | not packaged yet? |
| 16:43.45 | netadmin | tramplefoot: best of mpd and cmus |
| 16:44.08 | diogenes_ | it has binaries and sources, on their page. |
| 16:44.24 | netadmin | mpv | mpd | cmus great audio and video player |
| 16:44.51 | greycat | jim: oh, so you already *had* a stable device pathname for each camera, but obs wasn't using it? Sheesh. |
| 16:45.07 | greycat | In that case, you can skip the udev rule part. |
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| 16:46.53 | Mazhive | guys i have a question i am using this code https://pclosmag.com/html/Issues/201401/page11.html and i get a ....warning: command substitution: ignored null byte in input... warning why is that the code seem to work but my terminal screen spits out this warning |
| 16:48.23 | greycat | Bash recently added that warning to... well, to warn you, about the behavior that it has always performed, which is to drop all NUL bytes from command substitution values. |
| 16:49.27 | greycat | You should have questions about the correctness of the code, if it's reading a binary stream containing NUL bytes with a command substitution. |
| 16:52.04 | greycat | X=`find $DIR -type f \( -name '*.jpg' -o .... |
| 16:52.06 | greycat | GACK |
| 16:52.54 | greycat | The author also doesn't seem to know what a case statment is. if [ "$1" == "--mate" ]; then ... if [ "$1" == "--kde4" ]; then ... |
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| 16:53.53 | n4dir | guesses the result for gack at urbandictionary is the wrong one |
| 16:54.07 | greycat | And yes, that X=`...` one is the source of the warning. The command inside there is returning NUL-delimited pathnames. |
| 16:54.40 | greycat | It's interesting that the same script has js=$(mktemp) in it. Probably cargo-culted from a better script. |
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| 17:04.14 | Mazhive | greycat: should i remove the ' , i am not a programmer so could this be fixed |
| 17:04.42 | greycat | The script has serious flaws. It may work fine, but I don't trust it. |
| 17:05.51 | greycat | If your ONLY concern is getting rid of the warning, change X=`find -blah | shuf -n1 -z` to X=$(find -blah | shuf -n1 -z | tr -d \\0) |
| 17:06.21 | Mazhive | can you suggest a other script to set the wallpaper every x seconds/minutes |
| 17:08.10 | greycat | walls=(/your/wallpaper/path/*); nwalls=${#walls[@]}; while sleep 300; do r=$((RANDOM % nwalls)); your-wallpaper-command "${walls[r]}"; done |
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| 17:09.12 | greycat | if you want it to reread the wallpaper *directory* periodically as well, that will take extra work |
| 17:09.25 | mroe | is http://debian.<localmirror>.com/debian-security/... no longer a thing? |
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| 17:10.19 | jelly | mroe, very few mirrors carry the security repo |
| 17:10.46 | Mazhive | maybe stop this and rerun it every day in a cron to reread the folder |
| 17:11.04 | greycat | or learn some programming and add whatever you want |
| 17:11.29 | greycat | it probably wouldn't work from cron anyway, because cron jobs don't inherit your X DISPLAY |
| 17:11.31 | Mazhive | ;)... i know some basic bash so ill try some things with your line |
| 17:11.37 | Mazhive | ah |
| 17:11.41 | Mazhive | ofcourse |
| 17:12.17 | jelly | looks at cron jobs from years back, and pulls out... |
| 17:12.20 | jelly | #*/15,49 11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20 * * * export DISPLAY=:0; xplanet; /usr/X11R6/bin/xsetroot -solid black 2>&1 > /dev/null |
| 17:12.31 | greycat | hahaha |
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| 17:12.59 | greycat | why the ,49? |
| 17:12.59 | jelly | my work hours sure were weird. |
| 17:13.57 | jelly | who knows? This worked back when /usr/X11R6/bin was a thing |
| 17:14.21 | Mazhive | would the code be recursive ? |
| 17:14.23 | jelly | I'd say lenny or older. |
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| 17:14.41 | greycat | Mazhive: no, you don't want that. You just need to reload the walls array every once in a while. |
| 17:14.46 | a_flayer | i haven't got the slightest clue how X works anymore |
| 17:14.50 | a_flayer | is it still even X? |
| 17:14.55 | greycat | (and the nwalls variable, too, if you keep that part) |
| 17:15.02 | Mazhive | ok.. |
| 17:15.07 | jelly | if you're on Gnome it probably isn't X |
| 17:15.25 | greycat | if you're not on GNOME, it probably is still X |
| 17:15.30 | a_flayer | i'm on xfce |
| 17:15.40 | a_flayer | but i had gnome before |
| 17:15.45 | jelly | well it's not called waylandxfce ! |
| 17:15.53 | jelly | waylandfce* |
| 17:16.04 | a_flayer | ic |
| 17:16.36 | jelly | jelly 2690 2663 4 lis05 tty3 01:28:44 /usr/bin/Xwayland :0 -rootless -terminate -accessx -core -listen 4 -listen 5 -displayfd 6 # not X |
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| 17:19.02 | jim | actually that's an interesting question... does debian have plans to ship wayland as the default server? |
| 17:19.15 | greycat | it already does, if you choose GNOME during install |
| 17:19.34 | ratrace | wayland is not a server tho |
| 17:19.36 | jim | I went with kde |
| 17:19.45 | jim | what is it? |
| 17:19.48 | ratrace | protocol |
| 17:20.09 | ratrace | so I gues you meant running a wayland _compositor_, which gnome's mutter is. |
| 17:20.13 | jim | what is xorg then? |
| 17:20.16 | ratrace | a server |
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| 17:20.30 | ratrace | wayland is not just a drop-in replacement of xorg, it's a completely different paradigm |
| 17:20.44 | jim | wndrfl. |
| 17:21.02 | jim | not looking forward to that, in the slightest |
| 17:21.05 | ratrace | why not |
| 17:21.25 | jim | is there any benefit? |
| 17:21.50 | ratrace | plenty. wayland devs are actually xorg devs that know very well all the drawbacks of xorg, so they decided to write a new paradigm |
| 17:22.03 | greycat | the main problem I have with wayland is that I'd have to throw away my window manager and choose from an extremely limited set of totally new ones |
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| 17:22.41 | jim | so it's in infantcy stage |
| 17:23.16 | ratrace | not really. it's a new paradigm so existing programs have to be rewritten for it, or new ones made |
| 17:23.36 | ratrace | for all that matters, which is 99% of linux desktop use, gnome and kde got it covered. |
| 17:23.36 | Mazhive | greycat: i found this cmd-line i feel stupid i did not found this earlier > gsettings set org.mate.background picture-filename "$(find /mnt/6TB/HugeStorage/Pictures/Wallpapers-Icons-Banners/Wallpaper -type f | shuf -n1)" |
| 17:23.54 | jim | so when you take it all collectively, infantcy |
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| 17:24.18 | ratrace | you mean the opposite? since 99% of desktop linux use _does_ support it? |
| 17:24.34 | greycat | Mazhive: that may work as long as none of the filenames have newlines, which is *probably* true for most people |
| 17:25.15 | jim | discussion of xorg versus wayland on topic here? |
| 17:25.42 | nkuttler | jim: this is a support channel, try -offtopic perhaps |
| 17:25.59 | jim | that's why I ASKED |
| 17:26.09 | nkuttler | that's why i answered |
| 17:26.37 | jim | you answered in an assuming and threatening way |
| 17:26.44 | nkuttler | lolwut |
| 17:26.50 | ratrace | TONE POLICE! |
| 17:26.56 | nkuttler | feel free to engage me in -offtopic about that.. |
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| 17:28.31 | jim | specifically, you assumed I had ill intent, when the question proves that I didn't |
| 17:28.56 | greycat | I don't see any part of nkuttler's response that indicates a "threat" or an "assumption of ill intent" |
| 17:29.06 | nkuttler | jim: i did not. you also assume that everybody in here is a native English speaker with flawless understanding and speaking. can you kindly fuck off now? |
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| 17:29.32 | ratrace | *would you kindly |
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| 17:31.22 | jim | nkuttler, most people here seem to speak well, with a few exceptions, and even those are still understandable |
| 17:31.34 | jim | why is that an issue? |
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| 17:34.43 | Mazhive | greycat: you mean like spaces in the filename |
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| 17:35.33 | greycat | no, spaces are fine. newlines are not (in that command) |
| 17:35.58 | greycat | the other script dealt with the newline issue by using -print0 and -z but they forgot to strip the NUL byte at the end |
| 17:36.04 | greycat | hence, the warning |
| 17:36.40 | Mazhive | aah... oke |
| 17:37.15 | jim | greycat, if he had said "yeah, that's been done to death, thanks for asking", that would have been better: doesn't assume ill intent, and does assume that since I asked, I would have stopped, which is the case |
| 17:37.17 | Mazhive | the shift enter |
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| 17:37.52 | jim | but I do have one more wayland question, has their device driver situation gotten any better? |
| 17:38.21 | jim | or, what program talks directly to the video card? |
| 17:38.34 | a_flayer | there's xfce apps with libwayland dependencies |
| 17:39.37 | Mazhive | i can use -> for file in ./* ; do command "$file" done and pipe it though |
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| 17:41.48 | n4dir | ! su - |
| 17:41.49 | dpkg | In buster, su no longer overrides PATH by default, requiring that you use "su -" or "su -l" for login shells (which is not really a new thing at all...). To approximate the previous behaviour, put "ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes" in /etc/login.defs. See https://wiki.debian.org/NewInBuster#Changes for details. |
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| 18:03.12 | Franciman | Hi |
| 18:03.38 | Franciman | I noticed that wpa_supplicant created a Unix socket in /run/wpa_supplicant/ called p2p-dev-wlp2s0 |
| 18:03.53 | Franciman | apart from wlp2s0 which is my device. What is it? |
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| 18:32.13 | dotcom | Franciman: google wifi-direct |
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| 18:32.55 | golden_ticket | How can I set my python script to execute on startup? debian 10 |
| 18:33.27 | greycat | write a systemd service unit for it, or use rc.local, or use an @reboot entry in crontab, or many other things, depending on what it *does* |
| 18:33.56 | golden_ticket | thanks |
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| 18:35.48 | Franciman | danke shon dotcom |
| 18:36.28 | dotcom | np |
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| 18:57.12 | alex11 | why does /etc/network/interfaces conflict with network-manager? |
| 18:57.39 | greycat | It doesn't. N-M only picks up the ones that are not listed in /e/n/i. |
| 18:58.38 | sney | ifupdown and n-m both do the same thing. you can change n-m's behavior so it doesn't ignore the interfaces file, but this will lead to hard-to-diagnose weirdness most of the time |
| 18:59.14 | sney | the vast majority of systems will only benefit from using one or the other, not both |
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| 19:24.13 | CrabMan | How do I play music using a computer without X server? I tried `moc` with ALSA, but there's no sound. I tried to launch pulseaudio, but it complains that it can't contact dbus and that dbus-daemon can't autolaunch without a $DISPLAY for X11. |
| 19:24.40 | greycat | try mpv or any other command-line player |
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| 19:36.36 | n4dir | moc plays with alsa too. xmms2 might be worth a shot too. Any of the *123 family. cmus ? something like that. |
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| 19:37.14 | n4dir | there are many players, once you start searching. |
| 19:37.36 | n4dir | i seem to recall sox will come with the simple command "play" |
| 19:38.39 | dotcom | CrabMan: try the xmms2 cli? |
| 19:39.20 | greycat | oh good, I'm not the only person still using xmms2 ... is it still maintained upstream? is there ever going to be an opus plugin for it? |
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| 19:42.47 | thiras | hello. I'm trying to enable gunicorn3 from buster-backports. I've pin them as Package: gunicorn3 python3-gunicorn and Pin: release a=buster-backports under preferences.d |
| 19:42.54 | dotcom | greycat: i found it in stable repo |
| 19:43.15 | thiras | but i'm still not able to install gunicorn3 from the backports. apt policy returns main repositories gunicorn3 |
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| 20:07.10 | SerajewelKS | is there a good HTTP benchmarking tool in debian specifically designed for holding keep-alive sessions open to see how many concurrent _idle_ connections can be open and have the server still responsive? |
| 20:07.39 | SerajewelKS | httperf seems close but is very crashy |
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| 20:07.55 | zamnedix | SerajewelKS: i dont know what your programming experience is, but Python comes to mind as an excellent tool for that |
| 20:08.03 | zamnedix | not sure of any standalone tools |
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| 20:08.06 | SerajewelKS | well yeah, i mean i could script it |
| 20:08.18 | SerajewelKS | i figured i'm probably not the first person to want to test this |
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| 20:09.53 | zamnedix | SerajewelKS: itd be hard to not just get flagged as a DDOS i would think? |
| 20:10.10 | greycat | one hopes the stress-testing is done over the internal LAN |
| 20:10.21 | SerajewelKS | ^ |
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| 20:13.42 | SerajewelKS | ah apparently i can get httperf to work. there's an undocumented argument constraint that will cause a crash :/ |
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| 20:17.25 | asterismo | hi |
| 20:17.36 | asterismo | i'm trying to do a apt-build world |
| 20:17.59 | asterismo | although i removed some packages from the list |
| 20:18.31 | asterismo | and i come across some packages that cannot find source: Missing source package name for source_by_source() |
| 20:18.46 | asterismo | how can i filter this packages out of my list? |
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| 20:38.19 | jadax | I tried few distros here and there, I really don't understand why debian isn't more popular |
| 20:38.30 | jadax | I understand what's the story with Ubuntu and how it is friendly to new users, that's all good |
| 20:38.38 | jadax | but then debian should be easily #2 distro out there |
| 20:39.08 | asterismo | what are the source code lines for sources.list for debian wheezy? deb-src http://archive.debian.org/debian wheezy main contrib ?? |
| 20:39.44 | greycat | !wheezy sources.list |
| 20:39.45 | dpkg | Debian 7 "wheezy" is archived. A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for wheezy has one line: «deb http://archive.debian.org/debian wheezy main». Be sure to run «apt-get update». Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <mirrors> <apt-spy> and «man sources.list». |
| 20:39.57 | greycat | just copy the deb lines and change deb to deb-src |
| 20:40.04 | greycat | s/lines/line/ |
| 20:43.10 | asterismo | Err http://archive.debian.org/debian/ wheezy/main apt-listchanges 2.85.11 (dsc) |
| 20:43.11 | asterismo | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:43.16 | asterismo | permission denied i get |
| 20:43.35 | asterismo | is this repo down or something? |
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| 20:44.04 | greycat | But that's a *local* error, right? You wouldn't see errno 13 from the HTTP interface. |
| 20:44.13 | asterismo | the command was: apt-get source apt-listchanges |
| 20:44.25 | greycat | you need write permissions on the local directory you're sitting ni |
| 20:44.27 | greycat | in |
| 20:45.00 | asterismo | pfff |
| 20:45.17 | asterismo | nevermind, wrong terminal |
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| 21:11.17 | trench | 742 |
| 21:11.25 | trench | doh |
| 21:11.47 | petn-randall | writes down trench's password. |
| 21:12.02 | petn-randall | ... or VISA security PIN. :) |
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| 21:42.56 | derpadmin | is it VISA or MASTERCARD trench? |
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| 22:48.21 | asterismo | can i apt-build world in now archived debian wheezy? |
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| 23:08.11 | b1ack0p | hi |
| 23:08.16 | b1ack0p | i installed debian on vm |
| 23:08.20 | b1ack0p | but resolution sux |
| 23:08.36 | b1ack0p | it doesnt let me set correct resolution since i cant scroll down to select |
| 23:08.45 | b1ack0p | it doesnt scale correctly on the screen |
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| 23:09.12 | b1ack0p | default resolution is 800x600 |
| 23:09.16 | b1ack0p | how can i set correct one? |
| 23:09.22 | dreamer | "on vm" |
| 23:09.32 | dreamer | that doesn't tell us anything about your system |
| 23:09.39 | dreamer | which vm software are you using? |
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| 23:09.49 | b1ack0p | vbox |
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| 23:10.04 | dreamer | in virtualbox you can say what kind of screen your vm should get |
| 23:10.56 | b1ack0p | where? |
| 23:10.57 | dreamer | you should probably ask this in a support room for virtualbox |
| 23:11.28 | b1ack0p | :/ |
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| 23:12.44 | dreamer | what. |
| 23:13.09 | b1ack0p | i found the setting but resolutions are greyed out doesnt let me choose |
| 23:13.27 | b1ack0p | top menu > view > virtual screen 1 |
| 23:13.27 | dreamer | you may need to install guest additions to allow for modifying this |
| 23:13.35 | sponix | b1ack0p: is there any chance that you have installed the extensions to virtualbox, and the guest additions to Debian inside the VM ? |
| 23:14.52 | b1ack0p | ok |
| 23:14.55 | dreamer | 'guest additions' allows for more integrations and options, like virtual graphics card and human input devices |
| 23:15.03 | b1ack0p | no i didnt install guest additions |
| 23:15.11 | dreamer | there should be an option to install that in one of the dropdowns |
| 23:15.11 | b1ack0p | i am doing now |
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| 23:18.10 | b1ack0p | is 8gb enough for debian 10? |
| 23:18.19 | rk4 | yes |
| 23:18.21 | b1ack0p | if not can i expand it later? |
| 23:19.19 | rk4 | depends on specifics, it's often not too much work to expand, sometimes it is more work |
| 23:20.28 | b1ack0p | ok |
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