| 00:01.09 | Sark | Is there a convenient way to display the key code being submitted? I'm trynig to remap some keys in screen, but I'm not sure what code the combination I want to remap sends, or for that matter, what the code for the destination key is. |
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| 00:04.10 | nkuttler | Sark: xev |
| 00:04.28 | Sark | That's in xwindows though. |
| 00:05.16 | sney | xkb was separated from x11 and is also used in wayland, afaik. so it's probably still xev |
| 00:05.37 | Sark | I'm working with screen though, and not in X. |
| 00:07.13 | Sark | I'm trying to work around the lack of page up/page down keys, so I'm hoping I can rebind control-uparrow to page up, etc. I know screen supports key rebinding, I just don't know what command a control up arrow would send, or what command to map it to in order to get page up. |
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| 00:18.22 | EdePopede | Sark: there is one, trying to remember its name. usually keycodes, with -s scancodes, exits after 10s with no keypress. now the name.... |
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| 00:20.14 | EdePopede | showkey |
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| 00:35.56 | Sark | EdePopede: Thanks! That's a very useful tool and just what I was looking for. |
| 00:36.21 | Sark | I knew there had to be something like that, just... didn't come up in Google searches and I wasn't sure where to look (or really what to search for). |
| 00:36.37 | Sark | Unfortunately, it would seem you can't do a control up arrow, becauseL |
| 00:36.53 | Sark | up arrow already has a control in it... |
| 00:37.07 | Sark | But there are two other keys I can remap that produce normal codes. |
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| 00:39.37 | brettgilio | `rmadison obs-studio` is showing 26.0.0 for testing. but `apt source obs-studio` is pulling 25.0.8 and packages.debian.org is at 25.0.8. any ideas? |
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| 00:47.32 | sponix | ,v obs-studio |
| 00:47.33 | judd | Package: obs-studio on amd64 -- stretch: 0.15.4+dfsg1-1+b1; buster: 22.0.3+dfsg1-1; bullseye: 25.0.8+dfsg1-3+b1; sid: 26.0.0+dfsg1-1; stretch-multimedia: 1:19.0.2-dmo2+deb9u1; buster-multimedia: 1:23.2.1-dmo1+deb10u1; bullseye-multimedia: 1:26.0.0-dmo4; sid-multimedia: 1:26.0.1-dmo1 |
| 00:47.58 | sney | brettgilio: in the future, please don't crosspost. |
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| 00:49.45 | sponix | brettgilio: 26 is available as a flatpak, if you are into those |
| 00:50.12 | sney | and 26 is in sid right now and will hit testing in the next ~3 days |
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| 00:51.47 | Sark | Ah hah. Got it working. Now I can do pageup and pagedown in IRC and view the scrollback. |
| 00:52.58 | brettgilio | sney: thanks, sorry |
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| 02:14.07 | Urk | Is anyone familiar with SX? I did a search for free cloud storage in the Debian Repo, and that is what I came up with. |
| 02:14.28 | dvs | looks at his 486 |
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| 02:19.54 | Urk | I'm looking for a secure free cloud for backup storage. |
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| 02:20.48 | sney | free cloud storage is unlikely to be secure. |
| 02:21.00 | joepublic | You want to keep your files on someone else's computer, but you want that situation to be "secure", in other words. |
| 02:24.16 | sney | looks like sx was removed for being python2 only, anyway |
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| 03:26.12 | Lope | ratrace, thanks bud: `systemctl restart systemd-timesyncd` does the trick inside a VM when I resume it after it's been suspended. |
| 03:26.46 | Lope | I find it interesting that the 5.8 kernel doesn't have a way to realize that hours have passed and it's time is old. |
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| 03:27.16 | mtnman | helo |
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| 04:14.01 | ryouma | so this is not a troll but a serious question. i understnd init to be process 1, and so it takes care of spawning processes. i am not sure what else it does. sysv that is. but systemd, could it be described as "like the kernel but in userspace"? i.e. handling all system stuff there? |
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| 04:17.59 | ansimita | ryouma: https://wiki.debian.org/Init and for systemd, I found the various 'systemd for Administrators|Developers' articles in http://0pointer.net/blog/archives.html helpful |
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| 04:20.32 | rk4 | 'like the kernel but in userspace' isn't a useful mental model imho |
| 04:21.06 | ryouma | i am just a user but what would be a good mental model? |
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| 04:22.54 | ryouma | ansimita: thanks. that page says process spawner but i think they,or at least systemd, seem to do more than that. |
| 04:22.59 | ryouma | seems to* |
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| 04:29.58 | ryouma | (just trying to know hwat it is conceived as or said to be) |
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| 04:32.10 | rk4 | i'm not sure tbh, there's a collection of software that transforms my computer from the "linux is running" stage to the "my system is running" stage, i've only been sometimes using systemd so i don't have much of an opinion of it, i gather within the umbrella of systemd was systemd-resolved and systemd-timesyncd, which in the past were seperate |
| 04:32.10 | ansimita | ryouma: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Init might be worth checking out too |
| 04:33.32 | ryouma | presumably there is some reuse of code or some similar philosophical or technical reason resolved (dns?) is done by the sae program that spawns? |
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| 04:36.41 | ryouma | ohhhhhhhhhh maybe those are all just using systemd as opposed to part of it |
| 04:40.56 | rk4 | ah there's a #systemd on freenode apparently |
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| 05:00.12 | c-nister | hi in here. Anyone in here running a live os on an usb stick, with encrypted storage ? |
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| 05:07.04 | ryouma | you can copy your running system and run that. idk about live os. isn't that a pre-built os for recovery or demonstration or so? |
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| 05:12.57 | c-nister | ryouma: did it myself. |
| 05:13.18 | c-nister | BUT far more interesting is: does anyone experience bugs with gparted ? |
| 05:13.42 | c-nister | especially on a usb stick, which is efi bootable AND contains an encrypted partition ?? ? |
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| 05:20.12 | randombit | hey, anyone experiencing random X crashes during watching something with VLC? |
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| 05:56.25 | c-nister | randombit: Try disable that hardware acceleration flag in the VLC Settings ( or vice versa )... |
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| 06:02.51 | SanchoPensa | hi, guys! |
| 06:03.27 | SanchoPensa | when is PipeWire approximately going to be integrated into Debian? |
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| 06:21.13 | randombit | c-nister: tx. will see, because it's random, i cant check it directly. |
| 06:22.01 | randombit | c-nister: it was on "automatic" though. now i set it to none. gotta see. |
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| 06:27.45 | c-nister | ok |
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| 07:10.08 | mlokpc | Hello, when I do cat /proc/mdstat I see the following |
| 07:10.11 | mlokpc | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:10.25 | mlokpc | /dev/sdd is no longer inserted in the system, how can I remove it? |
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| 07:11.56 | jelly | mlokpc, does /dev/sdd device node still exist? |
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| 07:12.52 | mlokpc | jelly: no it does not I removed this disk from the system |
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| 07:13.56 | jelly | mlokpc, great, so the kernel recognized that. Then you just have to remove failed members from each array, like this: mdadm --remove /dev/sdf1 /dev/md0 |
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| 07:14.32 | mlokpc | jelly: I mean it's kind of like this if I do lsblk /dev/sdd is no longer there |
| 07:14.42 | mlokpc | jelly: ok thank you for that :) I'll try it |
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| 07:15.36 | jelly | your arrays will still have a "missing" member |
| 07:15.54 | jelly | presumably you want to replace the disk at some point, so that's ok |
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| 07:31.04 | mlokpc | jelly: if I do: mdadm --manage /dev/md2 --remove /dev/sdd1 |
| 07:31.17 | mlokpc | jelly: it says cannot find /dev/sdd1: No such file or directory |
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| 08:36.14 | recyclehero | wave his hand |
| 08:36.19 | recyclehero | hi |
| 08:36.29 | recyclehero | firmware doesnt get loaded |
| 08:36.49 | recyclehero | I have put it in /usr/local/lib/firmware/rtl_nic/xxxxx |
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| 08:37.23 | recyclehero | also in /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/xxxxxx |
| 08:38.00 | recyclehero | direct firmware load for rtl_nic/xxxxx failded with error -2 |
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| 08:38.41 | tomreyn | those x'es can be relevant, also the pci ids of your device, and where you got the firmware from. |
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| 08:39.14 | recyclehero | rtl8168e-3.fw |
| 08:39.28 | recyclehero | from debian site I guess. it worked before |
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| 08:39.53 | recyclehero | I reinstalled the same iso just yesterday and it worked |
| 08:40.01 | recyclehero | I dont know what has happend now |
| 08:40.29 | recyclehero | could allow_hotplug in /etc/network/interfaces be releveant |
| 08:40.30 | recyclehero | ? |
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| 08:42.33 | diogenes_ | recyclehero, did you play with secureboot maybe? |
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| 08:43.12 | recyclehero | not really, but some bios settings may have changed |
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| 08:44.06 | diogenes_ | then try defaul settings. |
| 08:48.27 | recyclehero | diogenes_: Onboard LAN Boot ROM |
| 08:48.59 | recyclehero | it was disabled |
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| 08:49.48 | recyclehero | these bios names could be very still the same error |
| 08:51.14 | diogenes_ | recyclehero, what says: uname -r |
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| 08:51.59 | recyclehero | 4.19.0-10-amd64 |
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| 08:54.26 | diogenes_ | so you don't have the latest: sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade |
| 08:55.37 | recyclehero | diogenes_: it should have been placed in /usr/lib/firmware not /usr/local/lib/firmware |
| 08:55.45 | recyclehero | its ok now |
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| 08:58.51 | ratrace | recyclehero: you should upgrade your debian to 10.6 anyway |
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| 09:02.27 | recyclehero | can someone pleae check permission of /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 09:04.03 | ansimita | recyclehero: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 405 Apr 18 2019 /etc/network/interfaces |
| 09:04.44 | recyclehero | ansimita: thanks |
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| 09:07.45 | recyclehero | everytime I install debian I wget https://wiki.debian.org/Sourceslist and make my sources.list out of that. |
| 09:07.48 | recyclehero | is there a better way |
| 09:07.49 | recyclehero | ? |
| 09:08.07 | recyclehero | A network mirror was not selected during install |
| 09:08.28 | ratrace | you wget a nonexisting page? |
| 09:09.01 | ratrace | also every time you install debian, it configures your apt sources.list. so you add components to that if you need, eg. contrib or non-free |
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| 09:10.52 | recyclehero | ratrace: SourcesList. maybe their web server is case insenstive |
| 09:15.00 | alex11 | !buster sources.list |
| 09:15.00 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Buster" has the lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates main", and optionally "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster-updates main". See <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <buster/updates> <buster-updates> and "man sources.list". |
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| 09:44.39 | NetTerminalGene | oh yeah! thunderbird 78 is here |
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| 10:08.23 | genr8_ | that was fast |
| 10:09.45 | ratrace | secvuln fixes are prioritized |
| 10:10.40 | rk4 | is there a !sec vuln fix |
| 10:11.13 | ratrace | ? |
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| 10:14.46 | jelly | rk4, what do you mean? |
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| 10:21.01 | rk4 | ah was question of taxonomy, if there's a thing that's a vulnerability but not a security vulnerability, was a too condensed question to make sense outside my head perhaps |
| 10:22.07 | genr8_ | i read that as "is there a bot command to show sec vuln fixes" |
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| 10:22.36 | no_gravity | Hello! How do you make a 20GB file via dd? |
| 10:22.41 | no_gravity | Like this? dd if=/dev/zero of=filename bs=1024 count=20000000 |
| 10:22.42 | rk4 | haha, a reasonable interpretation |
| 10:23.05 | ratrace | rk4: yes, there's all kinds of bugfixes not necessarily with security implications |
| 10:23.33 | ratrace | rk4: as in, there's fix that's !secvuln fix. |
| 10:23.36 | genr8_ | no_gravity, thats a valid dd command, yes |
| 10:23.45 | no_gravity | genr8_: Great, thanks. |
| 10:23.49 | no_gravity | Seems pretty quick |
| 10:24.26 | ratrace | no_gravity: 1k blocksize on 20GB that's gonna be unnecessarily slow and IOPS-y |
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| 10:24.54 | genr8_ | the fastest way is this: truncate -s 20G filename |
| 10:25.10 | ratrace | that a sparsefile? |
| 10:25.14 | genr8_ | yes |
| 10:25.30 | no_gravity | ratrace: It finished pretty quickly. One minute or so. |
| 10:25.36 | ratrace | then not nearly the same thing. it may or may not serve the same purpose, depending on what is to be achieved |
| 10:27.03 | ratrace | no_gravity: SSDs are fast. but 1k blocksize is unnecessarily small, _especially_ for SSDs |
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| 10:27.18 | no_gravity | ratrace: As I said, it was fast enough. |
| 10:27.33 | genr8_ | its not a direct write, its buffered |
| 10:27.57 | no_gravity | genr8_: How would one check if the buffers are written to disk yet? |
| 10:28.27 | genr8_ | idk. i need to know that for myself too |
| 10:28.29 | ratrace | iirc dd won't exit until its final sync commits all the data |
| 10:29.06 | ratrace | if you use status=progress, you can see it completed fast, but then it sits there at 100% while the kernel is paging out the buffer |
| 10:29.39 | no_gravity | Mine exited after a minute or so. |
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| 10:31.46 | ratrace | no_gravity: it's still wise to understand what bs does and why you want it bigger. if you don't care (ie. "fast enough") then don't set it at all, 4k is default |
| 10:32.12 | no_gravity | ratrace: I set it so I know how big of a file I am creating. |
| 10:32.27 | ratrace | no_gravity: then why not bs=1M count=200000 |
| 10:32.28 | genr8_ | 1M would have been easier, count 20000 |
| 10:33.13 | ratrace | and also forcing a bigger block size reduces ssd wear |
| 10:34.28 | no_gravity | Does the SSD even care? I would think it has its own cache and structure. Not giving a fuck in what chunks I deliver the data from the outside. |
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| 10:34.59 | genr8_ | you're both right |
| 10:35.24 | ratrace | indeed. |
| 10:35.53 | ratrace | my point being, if you don't care (ssd wear levels itself, it's fast enough, blah) then don't force a bs, esp. not smaller than the default |
| 10:36.03 | no_gravity | ratrace: I set it so I know how big of a file I am creating. |
| 10:36.14 | ratrace | it's a matter of forming a habit and understanding what bs does so when it _does_ matter, you know what to do |
| 10:36.25 | ratrace | no_gravity: again, why not 1M then |
| 10:36.52 | genr8_ | 1M is the default "fastest" size |
| 10:37.02 | genr8_ | mentally. |
| 10:37.09 | no_gravity | ratrace: I just guessed the syntax. Assuming that a plain number would be interpreted as bytes. |
| 10:37.19 | no_gravity | Which turned out correct \o/ |
| 10:37.32 | ratrace | youlda used bs=1, would be "correct" too |
| 10:37.35 | genr8_ | it takes "1M" to mean 1 million also |
| 10:37.43 | ratrace | *coulda |
| 10:38.01 | ratrace | (no, I didn't miss M. bs=1, 1 byte) |
| 10:38.29 | genr8_ | 707 Kilobytes per second at BS=1 :p |
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| 10:39.06 | genr8_ | no_gravity, i think hes surprised it went as fast as it did with only 1k |
| 10:39.50 | fattest | Hi, I created a simple deb file using this tutorial https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=910717 and I had the file helloworld_1.0-1/usr/local/bin/test.txt in my deb package. After installing the deb in my virtualhost, it created the file test.txt in the /usr/local/bin folder which is good, however, after uninstalling the deb file, it deleted |
| 10:39.51 | fattest | everything in the /usr/local/bin/ instead of just the single file loldpkg: warning: while removing helloworld, directory '/usr/local' not empty so not removed |
| 10:39.52 | ratrace | well, no, I know SSDs are fast |
| 10:39.58 | no_gravity | genr8_: Yes. He has a lot to learn. |
| 10:40.05 | ratrace | lol |
| 10:41.35 | genr8_ | big oof |
| 10:42.44 | frostschutz | 1M is human readable, most things use like 64K, it's just dd default 512 byte is a little small |
| 10:45.29 | jelly | bs=1M means 2**20 bytes for GNU dd. so 1048576B not a million (1000000B) |
| 10:45.44 | genr8_ | oh |
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| 11:47.52 | n4dir | ! su - |
| 11:47.52 | dpkg | In buster, su no longer overrides PATH by default, requiring that you use "su -" or "su -l" for login shells (which is not really a new thing at all...). To approximate the previous behaviour, put "ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes" in /etc/login.defs. See https://wiki.debian.org/NewInBuster#Changes for details. |
| 11:49.01 | n4dir | If i do that i get an info during login: "configuration error - unknown item "ALWAYS_SET_PATH" (inform system admin)" |
| 11:49.27 | n4dir | ROOT# grep ALWAYS_SET /etc/login.defs |
| 11:49.27 | n4dir | #ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes |
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| 11:54.09 | Elyes_ | Hi |
| 11:54.42 | Elyes_ | I'm getting `/bin/sh: 1: python: not found` , Please how to fix ? https://dpaste.com/47J3GC9UT |
| 11:56.05 | Elyes_ | Debian version: 5.8.10-1 (2020-09-19) x86_64 |
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| 11:56.42 | n4dir | Elyes_: that is what i have (too): lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 7 Mar 4 2019 /usr/bin/python -> python2 |
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| 11:57.11 | n4dir | and i guess the missing symlink for python is missing. |
| 11:57.53 | Elyes_ | Should I add a symlink ? |
| 11:58.15 | Elyes_ | or iI have a missing pkg ? |
| 11:58.21 | n4dir | I am not that good with those symlinks for programming-lang versions, but i would say yes. |
| 11:58.29 | n4dir | But that should be there automatically, i think |
| 11:59.29 | n4dir | Just wait a bit, someone will know *for sure*. In the meantime a web-search will probably shed a bit of light on the problem. Good luck |
| 12:00.13 | Elyes_ | indeed , that is my thought . I've even uninstalled/ / reinstalled pyhton2 , but the symlink remains missing |
| 12:00.25 | Elyes_ | Thank you. |
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| 12:00.39 | Elyes_ | for sure , yes, I'll wait :) |
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| 12:00.54 | n4dir | Problem is you run in such like every 2 years. :-) Then i always forget it again. Usually, for me, it just works |
| 12:00.57 | oxek | Elyes_: python-minimal is the package you need |
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| 12:01.34 | Elyes_ | I think that pkg is already installed . please let me check again |
| 12:01.51 | oxek | that's the package that sets up /usr/bin/python |
| 12:02.53 | oxek | assuming you're on debian-stable. Your kernel version is certainly not for debian-stable. |
| 12:03.11 | oxek | things change a lot with respect to python in debian-testing |
| 12:03.29 | Elyes_ | I'm using testing |
| 12:03.55 | Elyes_ | no, I don't have python-minimal |
| 12:04.14 | oxek | !debian-next |
| 12:04.14 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also https://wiki.debian.org/IRC and https://wiki.debian.org/GettingHelpOnIrc |
| 12:04.48 | n4dir | hmm ... "aptitude why python-minimal" tells me python pre-depends on python-minimal. |
| 12:05.03 | oxek | n4dir: things are different on stable |
| 12:05.10 | oxek | I mean, on testing |
| 12:05.27 | oxek | big breaking changes due to python2 removal in testing |
| 12:05.57 | n4dir | ah, right. |
| 12:06.28 | Elyes_ | yep, python2 was removed, |
| 12:06.47 | Elyes_ | I even re-installed it, but it doesn't fix |
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| 12:08.36 | oxek | Elyes_: try your luck in that oftc channel. Things change a lot in testing and I choose to not keep track of it until it is closer to release. |
| 12:09.04 | n4dir | or perhaps in ä#inux |
| 12:09.10 | n4dir | sorry: #linux |
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| 12:11.00 | rk4 | i'm not clear on what kernels in buster-backports will get updates, there's a few versions in there, 5.4.0, 5.6.0, 5.5.0, 5.8.0, 5.7.0 - do they all get updates? i notice upstream has 5.4 as a longterm support and that's up to 5.4.70 |
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| 12:13.02 | ratrace | there is really only one active |
| 12:13.10 | ratrace | ,v linux-image-amd64 |
| 12:13.11 | judd | Package: linux-image-amd64 on amd64 -- jessie: 3.16+63+deb8u2; jessie-security: 3.16+63+deb8u7; stretch-security: 4.9+80+deb9u6; stretch: 4.9+80+deb9u11; stretch-backports: 4.19+105+deb10u4~bpo9+1; buster: 4.19+105+deb10u6; buster-backports: 5.7.10-1~bpo10+1; bullseye: 5.8.10-1; sid: 5.8.10-1; experimental: 5.9~rc6-1~exp1 |
| 12:13.24 | ratrace | ie. 5.7.10 at the moment |
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| 12:16.07 | rk4 | ah, so people just rely on that metapackage? |
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| 12:18.43 | n4dir | if you want permanent/automatic upgrades of the kernel, i think yes |
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| 12:35.39 | ws2k3 | E: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead. |
| 12:36.10 | ws2k3 | im having the issue with multiple repo's so i think something is wrong on my system |
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| 12:52.01 | tete_ | hi, i installed debian 10 without X in a virtualbox, now i added xfce and slim and followed this guide: https://wiki.debian.org/Xfce, but guess i did something wrong because i can not login. i get an error "failed to execute login command" |
| 12:52.26 | tete_ | unfortunately, this leads to some kind of crash in slim and i am back at the login screen, so i can not skip the login window with X |
| 12:52.32 | tete_ | is there some way to boot without graphical target? |
| 12:53.29 | tete_ | ah ok, reboot - recovery mode |
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| 12:55.39 | greycat | dpkg, multi-user.target is <reply>Under systemd, graphical.target runs a <dm> and multi-user.target doesn't. You can add «systemd.unit=multi-user.target» to the kernel params to skip the DM once, or run «systemctl set-default multi-user.target» to change permanently. See also <nodm>. |
| 12:55.41 | dpkg | greycat: okay |
| 12:56.01 | greycat | dpkg, graphical.target is <reply>see multi-user.target |
| 12:56.02 | dpkg | okay, greycat |
| 12:56.51 | tete_ | ah thats nice, remembers me on lilo back in the days where i was able to define the init i want to boot in ;D |
| 12:57.49 | greycat | Yes, it's very much like the old Red Hat run levels, by design, because systemd was made by and for Red Hat. |
| 12:58.25 | greycat | Debian under sysv-rc never made a distinction between run levels 2 through 5. |
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| 13:06.19 | ws2k3 | E: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead. |
| 13:06.19 | ws2k3 | im having the issue with multiple repo's so i think something is wrong on my system |
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| 13:08.51 | nevivurn | ws2k3: hm, maybe your ca-certificates is broken/out of date? Luckily apt doesn't require https for security, so you could just choose a non-https mirror and update ca-certificates from there. |
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| 13:09.16 | ws2k3 | nevivurn: i already removed the ca-certificated package with dpkg an already reinstalled it. same result |
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| 13:09.31 | nevivurn | hm, what does `curl https://packages.sury.org/php/dists/stretch/main/binary-amd64/Packages` say? |
| 13:09.33 | ws2k3 | nevivurn: i used dpkg --purge --force-depends ca-certificates |
| 13:10.12 | ws2k3 | nevivurn: long output with all packages |
| 13:10.40 | nevivurn | huh, that's odd. So it's just apt having trouble with https for some reason. |
| 13:10.48 | ws2k3 | nevivurn: seems to yes |
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| 13:11.31 | greycat | you said stretch, so you probably forgot to install apt-https-transport or whatever it's called |
| 13:11.33 | ws2k3 | nevivurn: i also already checked and my date on my system is correct |
| 13:11.45 | greycat | it's not installed by default in stretch |
| 13:12.02 | ws2k3 | nevivurn: greycat its installed. apt-transport-https/oldstable,now 1.4.10 amd64 [installed] |
| 13:12.14 | nevivurn | Eh, wouldn't it just error out if apt-transport-https is not installed? |
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| 13:13.02 | greycat | I'm only responding to what I can see. |
| 13:14.02 | ws2k3 | apt list --installed|grep apt-transport-https |
| 13:14.02 | ws2k3 | apt-transport-https/oldstable,now 1.4.10 amd64 [installed] |
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| 13:14.42 | tomreyn | -o 'Debug::Acquire::https=1' |
| 13:17.01 | ws2k3 | tomreyn: https://pastebin.com/4WUjp48q |
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| 13:21.48 | tomreyn | ws2k3: maybe this certificate just isnt in the CAFile? |
| 13:22.31 | ws2k3 | tomreyn: according to the documentation it should be added as following: curl -sSL -o /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/php.gpg https://packages.sury.org/php/apt.gpg |
| 13:22.45 | ws2k3 | tomreyn: but im also having this issue with other repo's |
| 13:23.01 | ws2k3 | so i dont think its related to the repo |
| 13:23.38 | nevivurn | That's the GPG verification stuff, but your apt is failing before that. |
| 13:23.40 | tomreyn | i'm referring to the Root / intermedia CA certificate the web servers' SSL certificate is signed by, not the GPG signing key used for signing packages in this APT repository |
| 13:23.55 | nevivurn | tomreyn: but a normal old `curl` on the command line succeeded |
| 13:24.20 | tomreyn | yes, also it's hosted with cloudflare, which should usually be compatible |
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| 13:24.34 | nevivurn | I thought it might be SNI, but it seems like libcurl enables SNI by default and I can't find anything in https.cc that disables it. |
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| 13:25.34 | tomreyn | file a bug, provide your info, i guess |
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| 13:29.53 | nevivurn | ws2k3: actually, can you try `update-ca-certificates` as root? |
| 13:30.23 | ws2k3 | nevivurn: already did. but it outputs: 0 added, 0 removed; done. |
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| 13:31.18 | nevivurn | Hmm, alright |
| 13:31.24 | ws2k3 | so weird |
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| 13:32.24 | nevivurn | Just checking, /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.pem exists and is populated, right? |
| 13:32.35 | nevivurn | s/pem/crt |
| 13:33.09 | ws2k3 | nevivurn: jup |
| 13:34.20 | n4dir | gotta run soon. Anyone has an idea regarding that unknown item message during login as user after editing login.defs according to the bot info? |
| 13:34.32 | greycat | Ignore it. |
| 13:34.41 | n4dir | oh, that easy. Thanks greycat |
| 13:35.17 | greycat | The debian developers do not care about us, or any of our real world concerns. They only care about "use the same upstream as Red Hat" for some unknown reason. |
| 13:35.29 | greycat | If they cared, they would have fixed that. |
| 13:35.32 | greycat | QED |
| 13:35.54 | n4dir | don't feed my anger. At least i got no clue and might think: "probably me" :-) |
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| 13:36.32 | ws2k3 | even when i make a file /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/99test containing APT::Get::AllowUnauthenticated âtrueâ; it apt-get update still fails |
| 13:36.57 | n4dir | and over the past 15 years debian always served me well. minor issues |
| 13:37.08 | nevivurn | Hm, just from the name, I'm inclined to think that setting is about package verification, not the transport. |
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| 13:39.16 | greycat | #905564 |
| 13:39.17 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/905564 in util-linux (open): «login: shows error about "ALWAYS_SET_PATH" which is supported by "su" from "util-linux"»; severity: minor; opened: 2018-08-06; last modified: 2019-11-11. |
| 13:39.23 | ws2k3 | nevivurn: even apt-get update --allow-unauthenticated and apt-get update --allow-insecure-repositories have the same result |
| 13:39.42 | n4dir | thanks again. |
| 13:40.01 | nevivurn | Again, all those settings seem to be about package verification, not transport security. |
| 13:40.34 | nevivurn | actually, have you shared the actual sources.list line for that repository? |
| 13:41.00 | ws2k3 | nevivurn: deb https://packages.sury.org/php/ stretch main i use it on many machines |
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| 13:41.46 | nevivurn | So odd.. |
| 13:43.12 | nevivurn | I can't think of anything, good luck though. |
| 13:43.17 | greycat | reads the bug report again... |
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| 13:43.41 | greycat | It doesn't *say* so in the bug report, but the thing that they *suggest* that someone should do might actually be working. |
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| 13:44.36 | tomreyn | ws2k3: i do not recommend using Acquire::https:packages.sury.org::Verify-Peer "false"; but it could work aorund the problem, which i assume will be on your end until all details have been provided and verified. |
| 13:45.26 | realtime-neil | What is the `apt-install` I see in and around `debconf` scripts and why does it not have a man page? |
| 13:45.26 | ws2k3 | tomreyn: same issue |
| 13:46.23 | tomreyn | ws2k3: it should have disabled certificate verification, which was the error we saw above. |
| 13:47.03 | ws2k3 | tomreyn: i made a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/99test which contains Acquire::https:packages.sury.org::Verify-Peer "false"; |
| 13:47.53 | tomreyn | ws2k3: and the output is now? |
| 13:48.22 | ws2k3 | tomreyn: https://pastebin.com/BqLBZ2k5 |
| 13:48.25 | ws2k3 | i think its the same |
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| 13:49.23 | nevivurn | ws2k3: nope, that's a different issue now, about not being able to verify packages (so transport security was skipped) |
| 13:49.36 | nevivurn | actually no, I am also blind |
| 13:50.36 | tomreyn | ws2k3: you missed -o 'Debug::Acquire::https=1' |
| 13:51.55 | ws2k3 | tomreyn: https://pastebin.com/Ge4WMmRA |
| 13:52.04 | fredl | hmm anybody know how I can split a line like tld.com ansible_host=10.0.0.1 into 2 field, tld.com and 10.0.0.1? |
| 13:52.28 | fredl | I think awk can split on multiple characters right? |
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| 13:53.06 | tarzeau | fredl: echo ansible_host=10.0.0.1 | sed "s,=,\n\l,g" |
| 13:53.11 | kristijonas | anybody uses openpgp? |
| 13:53.24 | tarzeau | fredl: yes awk can do , the shell can, sed can... many ways to do it |
| 13:53.33 | tomreyn | ws2k3: right, looks like it's still the same error. |
| 13:54.00 | fredl | no no you missed a bit in my q tarzeau :) lines look like 'tld.com ansible_host=10.0.0.1' |
| 13:54.20 | fredl | So I want field 1 to be the tld.com, field 2 to be the 10.0.0.1 |
| 13:54.45 | nevivurn | what do you mean "field 1" and "field 2"? What do you expect the output to look like? |
| 13:54.56 | fredl | tld.com and 10.0.0.1 |
| 13:54.59 | greycat | dpkg, buster su =~ s#/etc/login.defs#/etc/default/su (create it)# |
| 13:54.59 | dpkg | OK, greycat |
| 13:55.07 | tomreyn | ws2k3: make sure all relevant packages are installed in versions and from sources they should be installed from |
| 13:55.22 | nevivurn | you already have that output, though, "tld.com ansible_host=10.0.0.1" |
| 13:55.31 | tomreyn | such as apt, libcurl, libssl |
| 13:55.44 | fredl | uhm yeah sorta but ansible_host= as well :) |
| 13:56.02 | nevivurn | aahhh |
| 13:56.15 | nevivurn | s/ansible_host=// |
| 13:56.18 | nevivurn | ? |
| 13:56.27 | tomreyn | ws2k3: actually i think it uses gnutls rather than openssl |
| 13:56.32 | fredl | I just want field 1... uh lessay VAR1 to be tld.com, VAR2 to be 10.0.0.1 |
| 13:56.38 | fredl | :) |
| 13:56.57 | subcool | Hey. Q. - I am trying to run CLI of fsck. - but the only options i am given are ext2-4, hfs and hfsplus. The drive is mounted as fuseblk-ntfs. But when i try to plug it into a windows computer to have it checked, its seen as an unknown fstype |
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| 13:57.22 | fredl | I guess that works :) |
| 13:57.46 | greycat | unicorn:~$ IFS='= ' read -r host _ ip <<< 'tld.com ansible_host=10.0.0.1' |
| 13:57.47 | greycat | unicorn:~$ echo "$host" "$ip" |
| 13:57.47 | greycat | tld.com 10.0.0.1 |
| 13:58.01 | fredl | THAT! |
| 13:58.08 | fredl | thanks greycat :) |
| 13:58.18 | subcool | the guides say to use fsck and let it auto detect, which test until i pick wihch fsck.ect varient i need to pick |
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| 14:00.03 | ws2k3 | tomreyn: i checked the version of apt etc are the same then on other debian 9 boxes so that should all be fine |
| 14:01.48 | tomreyn | ws2k3: file a bug then, providing all the info you have, with complete commands you ran and full outputs. |
| 14:02.03 | tomreyn | and any non.-default configurations |
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| 14:08.23 | fredl | any idea why I jump out of a loop when I put 'ssh $IP blacmd` inside the loop? |
| 14:08.58 | fredl | -T I guess? |
| 14:10.56 | fredl | oh -n |
| 14:11.11 | absinthe | hello, i'd like to install libssl1.1 on jessie, but it seems that package is only available from stretch |
| 14:11.31 | absinthe | how wise would it be to enable stretch-backports or something , on a jessie machine ? |
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| 14:11.40 | absinthe | i guess not that much |
| 14:12.13 | tomreyn | you guessed well |
| 14:12.50 | tomreyn | maybe the proposition is incorrect? |
| 14:13.14 | zodd | better move to Buster |
| 14:13.22 | absinthe | well, a nagios check needs that specific lib |
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| 14:14.05 | tomreyn | there's #debian-lts on OFTC |
| 14:14.33 | absinthe | ah, thank you. |
| 14:16.29 | ksk | Why does "ssh -P 1234" not trigger the "unknown option" message, but instead its just silently ignored? Judging from "ssh --help" and "man ssh" there is no option "capital P" after all.. |
| 14:20.48 | tomreyn | good question, something to check the source code for |
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| 14:21.39 | ksk | I took the lazy road and asked in #openssh :X |
| 14:21.40 | tomreyn | or do a web search https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/463376/ssh-p-option-whats-it-used-for |
| 14:22.25 | ksk | uh, neat find, many thanks! |
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| 14:25.28 | oxek | ws2k3: 'dpkg-reconfigure ca-certificates' and select all certificates |
| 14:25.39 | ws2k3 | oxek: also already done |
| 14:25.42 | oxek | reinstalling and/or purging the package does not change settings |
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| 14:27.02 | oxek | !bat |
| 14:27.02 | dpkg | [Basic Apt* Troubleshooting]. To diagnose your problem, we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use https://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 14:27.12 | oxek | especially post the sources.list |
| 14:27.27 | oxek | it's likely you are not pulling an up-to-date ca-certificates package |
| 14:27.48 | oxek | because the updated one is in stretch-updates or some such repo, not the main one nor the security one |
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| 14:33.26 | ws2k3 | oxek: greycat tomreyn nevivurni managed to resolve the issue. i came across this: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/39437606/curl-35-gnutls-handshake-failed-public-key-signature-verification-has-fail so i checked and libgnutls-deb0-28:amd64 was installed. when i removed it. curl and git and Alot of stuff had to be reinstalled again. but that resolved it |
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| 14:34.25 | nevivurn | oh, nice! gnutls strikes again, I guess? |
| 14:34.47 | tomreyn | so, most likely, you had one of those packages installed from a third party source |
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| 14:35.35 | ws2k3 | nevivurn: jup |
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| 14:35.51 | ws2k3 | tomreyn: i think the deb8 package just didnt realy got upgraded somehow |
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| 14:36.29 | nevivurn | Very odd behavior on curl's part, too. Oh well. |
| 14:37.06 | tomreyn | "the deb8 package"? |
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| 14:39.34 | tomreyn | if there's a reproducible bug in a maintained oldoldstble package, #debian-LTS (OFTC) may want to know. |
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| 15:27.24 | bn_work | hi, does anyone know what NMU means? context "I plan a 0-day NMU with attached patch". Is this a debian process thing? https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2011/03/msg00016.html |
| 15:27.44 | greycat | !nmu |
| 15:27.44 | dpkg | Non Maintainer Upload (NMU): when a Debian Developer who is not the package maintainer uploads an update of said package. http://wiki.debian.org/NonMaintainerUpload . See also <binnmu>. |
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| 15:38.15 | dob1 | I installed a openbox and mupdf but it is not register as default application to view pdf, there is none. After installing xfce4 it gets registered, even if I use openbox, so there is some file/settings that xfce4 installs to setup default application for mime types. any idea what package/files are this? |
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| 15:40.59 | sney | dob1: you can probably use gio to set the mime handler |
| 15:42.36 | sney | something like 'gio mime application/pdf mupdf.desktop' |
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| 15:44.05 | dob1 | sney, in which package is gio included? |
| 15:44.24 | sney | seems to be in libglib2.0-bin |
| 15:44.25 | greycat | ,file bin/gio |
| 15:44.29 | judd | Search for bin/gio in buster/amd64: libglib2.0-bin: usr/bin/gio |
| 15:44.34 | sney | indeed. |
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| 15:46.04 | bn_work | thanks greycat! |
| 15:46.39 | dob1 | gio mime application/pdf gives me mupdf.desktop |
| 15:47.55 | sney | yes, xfce's default application menu settings operate on the same thing, most likely |
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| 15:48.17 | dob1 | but I don't understand where these config are written, I tried grep -R mupdf.desktop /etc but I get nothing |
| 15:49.00 | greycat | that grep looks for files that contain that pattern, not files named like that |
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| 15:49.28 | greycat | you might want "locate mupdf.desktop" but only if updatedb is installed and being run on your system |
| 15:49.29 | dob1 | greycat, it was my idea |
| 15:49.35 | sney | it wouldn't be in /etc, it'd be in your profile. ~/.config somewhere |
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| 15:50.16 | dob1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:50.29 | dob1 | but how it says "this is the default pdf application" ? |
| 15:50.46 | sney | dob1: your grep command was a good start, but check in your profile as I said, not in /etc |
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| 15:51.06 | sney | as greycat mentioned, that grep looks for files that contain that pattern. you're probably looking for a config file that does exactly that. |
| 15:52.02 | dob1 | my idea is that there is a file like application/pdf mupdf.desktop so I used that grep for pattern in file |
| 15:52.20 | sney | yes, exactly. now do it in your home directory. |
| 15:53.08 | dob1 | sney, nothing |
| 15:53.53 | sney | maybe it's stored in some binary format. I've never really dug into the technical internals of this low-level gtk stuff, since the gio tool just works |
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| 15:54.32 | sbraz | hi, i'm not too familiar with the way LTS is handled but is there a chance of non-sec bugs being fixed? |
| 15:54.35 | dob1 | sney, I saw that gio tool works but I would like it to be set as system wide, I am not sure how is set so I was searching |
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| 15:55.00 | sbraz | the example at hand is freeradius3 with mod ldap in which ldap groups can't be used, this patch needs to be applied https://github.com/FreeRADIUS/freeradius-server/commit/756804cea8ccfbe1c9fe36cd93580f4e5aefcc21 |
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| 15:55.28 | sbraz | is it worth reporting it or should i just keep my patched package / upgrade to buster? |
| 15:55.33 | sney | sbraz: buster-updates can get bugfix updates as long as they can be applied to the same version |
| 15:55.44 | sbraz | sney: i'm on stretch |
| 15:55.46 | sney | oh, lts. well, still maybe |
| 15:56.01 | sbraz | sney: the patch applies fine on the stretch version |
| 15:56.15 | sbraz | i could even try a MR on https://salsa.debian.org/debian/freeradius/ |
| 15:56.20 | sney | does it fix an existing bug? |
| 15:56.31 | sbraz | i haven't seen it reported, no |
| 15:56.45 | sbraz | weird too because it should affect a lot of users |
| 15:57.02 | sney | then I would suspect that it's not a high priority fix and would probably be skipped, but you could ask the maintainer to be sure |
| 15:57.54 | sbraz | sney: do you happen to know if he (bernhard schmidt) is on irc? |
| 15:58.20 | sney | no idea. if he is, it'd be on oftc though |
| 15:59.07 | sbraz | ah ok let me see |
| 15:59.28 | sbraz | oh right i'm not in #debian-devel, i was redirected :) |
| 15:59.48 | greycat | all of 'em are on the other IRC network |
| 16:01.01 | sney | dob1: ~/.local/share/applications/mimeapps.list seems to be the user-specific file, and the default one is probably in /usr/share somewhere. I found an ubuntu doc that references /usr/share/applications/defaults.list but that doesn't exist on my debian system. |
| 16:01.05 | sney | still, it's probably similar. |
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| 16:01.46 | lupulo | sney you could report a bug, and include the patch i think |
| 16:01.53 | sney | lupulo: not me, sbraz |
| 16:02.15 | lupulo | sbraz you could report a bug, and include the patch i think |
| 16:03.01 | dob1 | sney, thanks for the hint but it's still unclear for me where it set these things |
| 16:03.41 | lupulo | sbraz a Pull Requests with your patch |
| 16:03.46 | sney | xfce-settings and gio set it in the first file I just mentioned. go look at the contents and you'll see what I mean |
| 16:04.04 | sney | the question now is where the defaults are stored |
| 16:05.17 | sbraz | lupulo: i've just highlighted the maintainer on #debian-devel on oftc, i don't want to spend too much time making a MR / bug report if they don't want to fix it |
| 16:05.27 | sbraz | especially since buster's version contains the fix |
| 16:05.49 | dob1 | sney, or in which format are stored |
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| 16:06.16 | sney | I would be very surprised if it wasn't the same format as mimeapps.list |
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| 16:07.18 | zumba_addict | folks, I'm upgrading our docker image. How do I change this to jessie? `deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian wheezy-backports main` |
| 16:07.43 | sney | make it deb http://deb.debian.org/debian jessie main |
| 16:08.05 | lupulo | sbraz ok, perhaps it is better |
| 16:08.17 | sney | !ftp.debian.org |
| 16:08.17 | dpkg | ftp.debian.org is not the principal mirror for Debian. It is just one mirror that uses bandwidth that was donated to the Debian project; you are kindly requested not to use this mirror but to instead use a mirror that is closer to you, ask me about <mirrors>. See http://www.debian.org/mirror/ftpmirror#wherefrom for more information. |
| 16:08.25 | sney | surprised this one still shows up |
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| 16:09.03 | zumba_addict | what about `deb http://apt.dockerproject.org/repo debian-wheezy main`? change it to `deb http://apt.dockerproject.org/repo debian-jessie main`? |
| 16:10.04 | sney | zumba_addict: that depends on docker, I'm sure they have a readme. |
| 16:10.13 | zumba_addict | k |
| 16:10.21 | sney | if I were docker, I would have it be consistent that way, yes. but who knows. |
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| 16:15.34 | zumba_addict | I'm getting an error `Err http://ftp.debian.org jessie-backports/main amd64 Packages` |
| 16:16.15 | sney | ftp.debian.org doesn't have jessie-backports |
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| 16:17.21 | sney | looks like they're on archive, deb http://archive.debian.org/debian/ jessie-backports main |
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| 16:26.16 | sponix2ipfw | ,v zfs-utils |
| 16:26.17 | judd | No package named 'zfs-utils' was found in amd64. |
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| 16:39.34 | another | zumba_addict: are you sure you need jessie-backports? |
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| 16:40.04 | zumba_addict | no. I'm helping a team who was using it. Their last update was on 2017 :( |
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| 16:41.07 | another | then don't include backports |
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| 16:49.44 | tete_ | can someone tell me how i can configure my ens3 network device to use dhcp but to use 127.0.0.1 as dns server? do i have to modify /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf or does this work in /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 16:50.14 | tete_ | the best would be to have 127.0.0.1 as first entry and following the nameservers from the dhcp request, but not sure how to achieve that |
| 16:50.43 | tete_ | i need that for unbound because its a mail server and i use spamhaus dnsbl, which is limited for dns requests |
| 16:52.31 | greycat | !override dns |
| 16:52.31 | dpkg | To have dhclient etc not touch /etc/resolv.conf, the best plan is to configure it not to touch that file. See https://wiki.debian.org/resolv.conf for more details. Note that by ignoring the DHCP-provided DNS servers, you may find that you are unable to use captive portals or surf the web on some network. Beware creating technical debt by doing things like chattr +i |
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| 16:55.44 | tete_ | i must use dhcp |
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| 16:56.20 | tete_ | thats a rented server (vps), when i do not use dhcp, i get no ip ;) |
| 16:56.35 | tete_ | hm guess i could configure it static, as it is a static ip... |
| 16:56.51 | tete_ | but then i have to check the route and many other things too |
| 16:57.30 | tete_ | ah ok, mis-read that, sorry |
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| 16:58.34 | tete_ | ok created that resolvconf.conf in /etc and put resolvconf=NO in it, hope that did it |
| 16:58.41 | tete_ | thanks |
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| 17:18.10 | scientes | does anyone know what program I can use to see a IDRISI map? http://www.agroatlas.ru/en/content/Climatic_maps/ovv/ovv_05/index.html |
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| 17:20.55 | sney | scientes: since you're asking here, I'm guessing you already googled it and ruled out qgis? |
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| 17:42.12 | dob1 | I am not able to understand if it's a bug or a normal behaviour: xrdp, if I set user shell to /bin/false or /sbin/nologin the user can't login via ssh etc, but he can login via xrdp... this is a bug or it's ok? |
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| 17:49.47 | imMute | probably expected. xrdp likely doesn't start a user shell when logging in |
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| 17:51.36 | crosswinds | dpkg: I cant remember , but was it you that helped me out the other day with my strange left Alt key behaviour? |
| 17:51.37 | dpkg | crosswinds: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request |
| 17:51.55 | crosswinds | omg |
| 17:52.14 | crosswinds | now i know why i remember the nick :D |
| 17:52.55 | scientes | sney, turns out the png was the best version of the map, but it also had a windows iso that worked in wine |
| 17:54.03 | scientes | png is lossless so it really is great for raster images |
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| 17:59.50 | dob1 | imMute, ok I was supposing this too. but the fact that every terminal emulator (gnome terminal, xterm etc) doesn't start is normal instead |
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| 18:02.07 | imMute | yeah because those start shells |
| 18:03.31 | dob1 | imMute, so my idea is to create a rescricted desktop where the user can just login via xrdp, so setting /bin/false can work for this |
| 18:03.45 | dob1 | and use just some applications ready on the desktop |
| 18:04.31 | greycat | I guess that works, but it seems like it'd be more straightforward just to block the user's ssh logins in sshd_config. |
| 18:05.38 | dob1 | greycat, I am customizing an openbox session for this, my concern is that I forget some way the user can exec open some terminal emulator and my idea is gone :) |
| 18:06.34 | dob1 | so the best restriction is the nologin shell, I find no other way... |
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| 18:06.50 | dob1 | I tried rbash too but it's not ok |
| 18:07.38 | greycat | so there are additional secret requirements that are only being leaked slowly into IRC |
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| 18:08.23 | greycat | one of them seems to be "I do not want the user to be able to type anything into a shell, even though they could write files using a text editor -- as long as it's a GUI editor" |
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| 18:09.46 | dob1 | greycat, I am configuring every menu of openbox to just list the application I want (it's just one application) |
| 18:10.13 | dob1 | I am eliminating every shortcut... maybe I miss something |
| 18:11.14 | dob1 | another idea is to put an iptables rules on the user uid to drop any packet on OUTPUT chain, but I have to try |
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| 18:25.20 | ratrace | omg, so much fail here from someone with @debian.org.... https://lists.debian.org/debian-security/2020/10/msg00001.html |
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| 18:26.02 | ratrace | hint: put the websever into each user's group, 750 their homes, solved. |
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| 19:02.47 | KOLANICH | Hello. How long am I going to wait for my patches being merged? |
| 19:05.28 | greycat | The most likely answer is "forever" but if you want ANY kind of an educated guess, you should give us at least the tiniest, bare minimal amount of context for your demand. |
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| 19:07.55 | sponix2ipfw | greycat sney : you think I should bother my backports mailing list to see about zfs 0.8.5 - Or should I just wait and see if it appears in sid soon and makes its way over ? |
| 19:08.18 | azeem | what is your backports mailing list? |
| 19:08.39 | sponix2ipfw | Oddly enough, 0.8.4 isn't listed to work with kernel 5.8 -- but it does just fine for me anyway |
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| 19:09.18 | sponix2ipfw | azeem: the actual ones. just google "Debian Buster Backports" and it will come up with a webpage and show an option to get in on it |
| 19:09.56 | azeem | that sound's like debian's backports mailing list, not yours |
| 19:10.30 | azeem | in that case, the package need to be in testing first anyway, so "wait and see if it appears in sid soon" is just a prerequisite |
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| 19:15.04 | KOLANICH | greycat: The context hasn't changed since March. I have prepared some patches for reprepro, but they are completely ignored by a maintainer. It may be because the such an essential package is kinda unmaintained - the last change was long ago. |
| 19:16.37 | greycat | unicorn:~$ apt-cache show reprepro | grep Priority |
| 19:16.38 | greycat | Priority: optional |
| 19:17.02 | greycat | vaguely wonders what a reprepro is or what it does, but can't be bothered to find out |
| 19:17.23 | KOLANICH | greycat: I wonder, if there is any procedure to merge patches into an unmaintained package that is not going to be dropped. |
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| 19:17.42 | imMute | greycat: it manages an apt repository. |
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| 19:18.18 | greycat | I suppose you find a Debian developer who is willing to take over the package, or at least to upload an NMU for it, if the severity is high enough. |
| 19:18.32 | KOLANICH | greycat: reprepro is the software to prepare repos for apt. I wonder how can it be non-essential? Is something else used to make the official apt repos? |
| 19:18.50 | KOLANICH | *it can be |
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| 19:19.14 | imMute | I think Debian Archive Kit (DAK) is what is used now... |
| 19:19.19 | greycat | most people do not host their own apt repositories, so it's hardly "essential" |
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| 19:19.43 | azeem | KOLANICH: yes |
| 19:19.55 | azeem | it's just *a* software to prepare apt repos, there's a few |
| 19:20.35 | azeem | imMute: dak has been used for at least more than 20 years now |
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| 19:23.04 | azeem | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:23.15 | KOLANICH | Thanks for the link, I surely should try to replace reprepro with dak |
| 19:23.21 | azeem | KOLANICH: that sounds like a rewrite, not a minor patch |
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| 19:25.03 | KOLANICH | azeem: not quite a rewrite, just restructured the repo and refactored the code a bit + implemented build using CMake in order to make use my script for automatic hardening |
| 19:25.33 | azeem | yeah, did you get a go ahead from the maintainer up front that those changes are welcome? |
| 19:25.53 | greycat | "I added CMake" is *cringe* |
| 19:26.45 | KOLANICH | azeem: I just implemented the changes I wanted to implement. But I have tailed to get any feedback from the maintainer about my changes. |
| 19:26.49 | azeem | KOLANICH: I mean, those are really major changes and your bug report has zero context. I didn't look at the patch itself, but it's certainly not something I'd complain that it hasn't been merged |
| 19:26.52 | KOLANICH | *failed |
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| 19:27.10 | azeem | KOLANICH: it's unclear to me whether there are any non-cosmetic changes? |
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| 19:31.42 | KOLANICH | azeem: https://github.com/KOLANICH/reprepro/commit/d2b9cbfb7e72fc146a84f2f470c8ee7c9d244914#diff-abd09bc3e0d677f4f066879ffbca6311R20 I have restructured the repo a bit to make subcomponents a bit better separated. Of course, everything like that can be considered as cosmetic |
| 19:32.39 | azeem | right, and why do you think the author prefers your way of structuring the code to his? |
| 19:33.38 | KOLANICH | azeem: in fact my plan was to restructure the program, and then implement python bindings to it |
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| 19:35.29 | azeem | (dak is written in python) |
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| 19:36.14 | KOLANICH | I mean that I have some tool that automates building software, currently it calls reprepro (I have not known about dak untill today) as a subprocess, but it is damn slow and dealing with subprocesses is always nightmare. |
| 19:36.20 | azeem | KOLANICH: all fair enough, but those changes are invasive enough on the one hand and seem to be based on personal taste on the other, that I don't think it's at all a mystery why the author hasn't come back to you about them |
| 19:36.58 | azeem | KOLANICH: as a rule of thumb, dak is very much tied to the official Debian archive and pretty difficult to integrate for more lightweight projects |
| 19:37.14 | azeem | KOLANICH: maybe look at aptly as an alternative to reprepo |
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| 19:41.43 | KOLANICH | azeem: I am not even sure that the current maintainer of reprepro has time to maintain the package currently. Thanks for the mentioning aptly, should also look into it. |
| 19:42.32 | azeem | I don't think reprepro is particularly broken? But yeah, lot's of people don't have a lot of time right now |
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| 19:54.40 | KOLANICH | azeem: BTW, could you review my other patches, this time into dpkg? I have contacted the current maintainer, and even got some feedback (into email, not into GitHub). https://github.com/guillemj/dpkg/pull/3 and https://github.com/guillemj/dpkg/pull/2 |
| 19:54.47 | sney | sponix2ipfw: I would say that depends on how much you care about the new features/fixes in that version. it'll probably come through eventually, in any case. |
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| 19:59.15 | azeem | KOLANICH: the naming choices look a bit random and not on par with the rest of the code to me; and you don't get to choose the license of your code if you contribute to other projects |
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| 20:07.01 | KOLANICH | azeem: Do you have any ideas hkw to name the stuff better? About the license: only the modules written by me and not depending on GPLed coode are licensed under Unlicense. BTW, do you like the idea to expose some info about triggerer packages to triggers? (Also there is a problem - the triggeree package info is always exposed, I haven't found an easy way to by0ass it). What do you think about the info-passing scheme (bencode with single-char keysâ |
| 20:07.02 | KOLANICH | ⦠in dicts in an env variable) used? Do you see any issues in the introduced code, especially memory-safety issues? |
| 20:07.14 | KOLANICH | *how |
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| 20:08.10 | azeem | I don't have an opinion on it |
| 20:08.40 | azeem | just saying you should program according to the project your contributing to, including naming scheme, license and indentation |
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| 20:20.23 | KOLANICH | azeem: indentation can be fixed, but for proper indentation we need an .editorconfig file in the root of the repo. camelCase surely should be fixed, and i can fix it. About license: GPL code can depend on the code licensed under Unlicense, the terms of GPL are not violated by adding files under another license not depending on GPL code. |
| 20:20.58 | azeem | I understand, but you also need to understand that the authors might choose not to merge your code |
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| 20:22.27 | KOLANICH | azeem: maintainers are always free not to merge code, it is their right and responsibility to decide if PRs are to be merged or not and what should be done to make them mergeable. |
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| 20:31.52 | KOLANICH | azeem: but lack of proper feedback, when I make some contribution, and it is just ignored, is the worst part in FOSS. TBH - I got some feedhack from the maintainer, but the feedback was not about any issues in the code, just a mention that my use case have not been taken into account when dpkg was designed and written, without any discussion about the code I have written. Probably the maintainer is very busy, and I understand him, I am myself verâ |
| 20:31.53 | KOLANICH | â¦y busy. So I wonder, if such critical packages really have bus factor of 1 and if anyone can help me to finish this feature? |
| 20:32.20 | KOLANICH | *feedback |
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| 20:32.42 | azeem | dpkg is much more critical than reprepro |
| 20:32.43 | dpkg | azeem: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
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| 20:32.47 | azeem | heh |
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| 20:32.59 | azeem | and yeah, there's a bit of a busfactor problem with dpkg |
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| 20:37.41 | KOLANICH | azeem: I also got some feedback about the another PR with UB issues. I was told some of them will be addressed, and for some of them the maintainer doubted that they were UB or memory leaks. But in fact all of the issues fixed were caught by clang 12 sanitizers - I used the sanitizers to make sure my code in the #3 PR is without issues, but caught issues in the code that was not mine and had to fix them. And in fact there are code paths when theyâ |
| 20:37.42 | KOLANICH | ⦠cause the issues. |
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| 20:38.24 | KOLANICH | azeem: so, what do you think about the PR about UB and leaks? |
| 20:38.58 | azeem | as I said, I don't have an opinion on it |
| 20:39.01 | genr8_ | your fixes seem fine to me |
| 20:39.25 | genr8_ | should be very easy to confirm, and they are not confusing at all |
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| 20:41.18 | KOLANICH | genr8_: thank you |
| 20:41.19 | genr8_ | also the pulls being named "2" and "3" means he the repo is not very busy |
| 20:41.43 | genr8_ | 2 would be easier to approve than 3 |
| 20:42.50 | genr8_ | my assumption is the fact that DPKG is such a vital low level component to debian means that the maintainer is unlikely to risk changing it in fear of breaking the world downstream |
| 20:43.20 | genr8_ | so its not touched very often |
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| 20:45.55 | sigint | The project has 10k commits, the PRs were made against a mirror |
| 20:46.25 | imMute | yeah, wouldn't the canonical source for dpkg be on salsa? |
| 20:46.27 | genr8_ | still, its the maintainers repo |
| 20:47.40 | genr8_ | I think the suggestion about your public domain "Unlicense" not being "GPL" is a valid concern. even if you think its compatible, its not gonna help the situation if someone disagrees |
| 20:48.14 | azeem | the salsa repo is behind the github one |
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| 20:49.17 | genr8_ | the github one matches this one https://git.dpkg.org/cgit/dpkg/dpkg.git |
| 20:49.35 | azeem | nod |
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| 20:51.44 | genr8_ | anyway, KOLANICH's open source contribution experience is totally normal and a sad reality |
| 20:52.36 | azeem | I still find the reprepro patch totally overblown |
| 20:52.54 | azeem | but yeah, if Guillem doesn't look at PRs on the github dpkg mirror, he should mention that |
| 20:53.19 | genr8_ | i havent read that one |
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| 20:55.43 | genr8_ | I think its more of an issue of pull #3 hes probably thinking "This passthrough feature idea came out of thin air..." and then ignored 2, which is the more serious UB fix |
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| 20:59.15 | genr8_ | you should focus on dpkg #2 in your next communications. if he wants to deny 3, thats on him |
| 20:59.43 | KOLANICH | genr8_: about #2 I got some feedback. That some of the issues will be fixed, and some of them he doesn't beleive that are issues. I have responded with the CFG paths that cause the issues .... and no response. |
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| 21:01.49 | genr8_ | hes probably not using the same clang 12 tooling you are, and will have to find them his own way |
| 21:02.10 | genr8_ | and when he does, he will have his name on the patch and not yours |
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| 21:02.50 | genr8_ | at least you tried |
| 21:03.35 | KOLANICH | genr8_: what do you personally think about the decisions proposed in #3? |
| 21:05.58 | genr8_ | I have no use for such a passthrough, and I get his point that it was never designed with that in mind. so you building a whole interface with "bencode"d "pascal_str"s to inter-operate with some unknown other software is kinda outside of the scope of the project |
| 21:07.16 | KOLANICH | genr8_: triggers are all ahout interoperating with unknown other software, arent't they? |
| 21:07.23 | KOLANICH | *about |
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| 21:11.55 | KOLANICH | genr8_: about passtrough it is very obvious it wasn't kept in mind, because it was pretty hard to implement it, and even if implemented, it has some drawbacks, to eliminate which entirely redesigning of dpkg is needed. So it is better to document the drawbacks (that triggeree should be removed on client side) as a public interface v1 for now, and document that triggeree may be removed server-side in future |
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| 21:12.32 | azeem | I didn't see any documentation changes in your patch though? |
| 21:12.50 | genr8_ | it may need a lot of explanation |
| 21:13.06 | gkwhc | Hey guys, I am having trouble installing the package 'v4l2loopback-dkms' on buster as it says "Bad return status for module build on kernel: 5.4.0-0.bpo.4-amd64" could it be that i have incorrect build libraries? how do i diagnose this issue? |
| 21:13.33 | KOLANICH | azeem: yes, the interface is now undocumented, because I expected that someone may have some ideas how to improve it |
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| 21:14.10 | genr8_ | gkwhc, that kernel is a backported kernel, so the 'v4l2loopback-dkms' package is likely expecting a normal buster kernel, and has some kind of hardcoded limitation |
| 21:14.13 | azeem | KOLANICH: did you consider discussing it on the dpkg mailinglist rather than a PR with almost zero context? |
| 21:15.04 | gkwhc | genr8_: oh i see. can i possible choose an old version of v4l2loopback-dkms thru changing sources.lst or something? |
| 21:17.00 | genr8_ | gkwhc, first do "apt policy v4l2loopback-dkms" and see if candidate version 0.12.1-1 is coming from the buster repo. you might need the v4l2loopback-dkms from the buster-backport repo as well. |
| 21:17.21 | genr8_ | so it would most likely be a newer version not older |
| 21:18.06 | gkwhc | genr8_: yes! it says installed and candidate: 0.12.1-1 |
| 21:18.10 | KOLANICH | azeem: IMHO - it is easier to discuss in the PR, because one can bind comments to source code lines. I am OK with discussing by e-mail, but only if someone objects using GitHub (proprietary software owned by Microsoft, though IMHO even though proprietary, GH is more privacy-friendly and behaves much better than GitLab.com and some standalone installations of gitlab, unfortunately including salsa) on ideological basis |
| 21:18.17 | genr8_ | ,v v4l2loopback-dkms |
| 21:18.19 | judd | Package: v4l2loopback-dkms on amd64 -- jessie: 0.8.0-4; stretch: 0.10.0-1; buster: 0.12.1-1; buster-backports: 0.12.5-1~bpo10+1; bullseye: 0.12.5-1; sid: 0.12.5-1 |
| 21:18.29 | genr8_ | buster-backports: 0.12.5-1~bpo10+1 <--- try to get that one then |
| 21:18.47 | azeem | KOLANICH: well, that's your opinion |
| 21:19.05 | azeem | if you want to get a new feature in, I think it's better to propose and discuss the design before dropping code |
| 21:19.39 | genr8_ | yeah you have to get everyone to agree. right now it looks as though it just benefits you |
| 21:20.10 | azeem | ...and obviously dpkg development doesn't happen on Github PRs |
| 21:20.23 | gkwhc | genr8_: wow amazing! that worked. thank you! |
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| 21:20.47 | genr8_ | gkwhc, nice that was fast. congrats |
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| 21:29.28 | SerajewelKS | is there an ATA command that will tell a drive not to accept writes until another command to disable that? |
| 21:30.12 | genr8_ | surely |
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| 21:31.35 | KOLANICH | https://lists.debian.org/debian-dpkg/2020/07/msg00016.html |
| 21:33.24 | SerajewelKS | i see "hdparm -r" but based on the wording of the flag, it looks like this tells linux to disable writes, not the drive itself |
| 21:37.50 | genr8_ | oh thats what you meant. maybe you want some kind of SECURITY_FREEZE_LOCK command |
| 21:38.42 | genr8_ | like setting a password on it, and then if its moved to another machine, its unusable until it can be unlocked |
| 21:38.57 | genr8_ | its all a bit confusing |
| 21:41.35 | genr8_ | yea, hdparm -r just sets the "BLKROSET" ioctl in linux |
| 21:42.36 | genr8_ | The only ATA commands I know of that persist state across power-cycles by being saved in the drive itself are the ATA Security commands |
| 21:43.24 | genr8_ | hdparm --security-help |
| 21:46.10 | SerajewelKS | hmm |
| 21:46.18 | SerajewelKS | but i want it to remain readable, just not accept writes |
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| 21:50.55 | velix | Are there any logs when root changes the password of a user? |
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| 21:59.46 | genr8_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:00.37 | genr8_ | you could also look at the timestamp on /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow to see when/if that happened |
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| 22:10.26 | genr8_ | Theres also backups of those password files in /var/backups/ |
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| 22:13.47 | genr8_ | If you ruin your root passwords you can also boot into single-user/rescue mode |
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| 22:30.27 | Voidablazer | is btrfs stable on debian? |
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| 22:33.08 | imMute | It worked well enough for me back in Jessie, whih was kernel version 3.16. To which the btrfs devs said "oh my god you need to upgrade". |
| 22:33.16 | imMute | So... depends on what you want to get out of it :) |
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| 22:33.51 | Voidablazer | is performance on desktop bad? i am thinking of using it on desktop, mainly for snapshots, in case i break something |
| 22:34.12 | Voidablazer | but all the benchmarks show its much less performant than ext4 |
| 22:35.00 | imMute | IDK about performance. we ran out of caches for the most part, so perf wasn't a big point. |
| 22:35.45 | sney | I keep hearing that it's ok now. I'm a zfs user so I'm no longer in the target audience, but AFAICT, it's fine as long as you start from 0 and don't try to convert an ext* filesystem |
| 22:35.51 | imMute | the answer is probably "try it, benchmark your use case and determine if the perf meets your requirements" |
| 22:38.45 | Voidablazer | sney: do you use zfs on linux? or freebsd |
| 22:40.31 | sney | linux currently, various opensolaris variants at various times too. never really bothered with freebsd |
| 22:41.15 | sney | I am probably going to start using smartos again but it's a low priority, probably after the next time I move, though we'll see how bored I get over the winter :) |
| 22:41.36 | Voidablazer | i guess thats on servers. not desktop |
| 22:41.56 | sney | my home directory is on a zfs mirror on the desktop machine I am using to type this |
| 22:42.18 | sney | which is running debian bullseye, to be clear |
| 22:42.47 | Voidablazer | oh i see. ubuntu now comes with zfs in their installer. so might increase usage of zfs on linux for desktop |
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| 22:43.47 | genr8_ | FreeBSD merging zfsonlinux instead is going to help unify everything also |
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| 22:44.28 | Voidablazer | i have read than performance of zfsonlinux is far worse than btrfs for linux |
| 22:44.58 | genr8_ | yea, cause of the kernel overhead |
| 22:46.01 | sponix | Voidablazer: has always done okay for me |
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| 22:46.23 | Voidablazer | genr8_: because its an external module? |
| 22:46.47 | genr8_ | no, because the kernel was not made with that in mind |
| 22:46.50 | sney | zfs is known to be relatively resource-heavy but in all my years of using it in various environments, I've never noticed a *real-world* performance problem |
| 22:47.33 | sney | at least, not one that I couldn't blame on existing hardware bottlenecks |
| 22:47.55 | sponix | sney: when it was 1st ported over to Linux there was a variable or two that you had to set to keep it from eating ALL of your ram |
| 22:48.21 | sponix | sney: that was very early on, and was pretty quickly resolved. But a lot of folks only remember the way things were |
| 22:48.31 | Voidablazer | i am fine on using zfs or btrfs on debian. on some systems i use gentoo and i am worried btrfs or zfs, will make compilations take much longer and amplify disk wear |
| 22:48.33 | sney | I must not have been using it on linux yet, at that point. and yeah, history |
| 22:49.06 | sney | Voidablazer: that kind of drastic i/o difference would be considered a bug. |
| 22:49.33 | sponix | sney: I changed over from OpenSolaris to ZFS on Linux around 2015 or so, or maybe a bit earlier |
| 22:50.05 | sney | I'm sure the differences are *measureable* but you wouldn't notice it on a day-to-day basis unless you had them running side by side |
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| 22:50.27 | sney | sponix: sounds about right, I was running OmniOS in prod by then but hadn't started using it on personal systems yet |
| 22:53.30 | sponix | sney: I can just say, when I build my next Do everything NAS -- https://pcpartpicker.com/list/KbvxF8 -- It will be using ZFS still |
| 22:54.14 | sney | yow, not cheap |
| 22:54.34 | sponix | Yeah, I have yet to get Wife approval :( |
| 22:55.56 | crosswinds | Not debian, but, Does anyone know how to disable that irssi lists users when joining a channel? |
| 22:56.16 | crosswinds | Very annoying when using a bouncer and loose the playback :) |
| 22:56.19 | sney | not offhand but if it's possible, it's likely a /set option |
| 22:56.20 | Unit193 | crosswinds: /set show_names_on_join OFF |
| 22:56.34 | sney | aha :) |
| 22:58.41 | sponix2ipfw | Gotta love how simple some things are. If it was a MS product this would be a hour long process for a registry hack lol |
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| 23:14.07 | genr8_ | if I was your wife I wouldnt approve that :p |
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| 23:17.09 | sney | last time I spent that kind of money on a computer, it was 4U and had redundant power supplies and lived in a server room |
| 23:17.25 | genr8_ | yes |
| 23:17.50 | sney | and it wasn't my money :P |
| 23:18.23 | genr8_ | its $2400 of hard drives, $400 of NVME drives and then $1600 of normal consumer junk thats mismatched to the situation at hand |
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| 23:20.02 | sney | home lab machines tend to be goofy combinations of off-the-shelf consumer gear and lots of disks, so that's not the weirdest thing |
| 23:20.14 | sney | but on the other hand you can get a decent real refurbished server for $1600 |
| 23:22.08 | genr8_ | yea. cause people usually buy a new desktop and then repurpose their old gear as a server. buying all new consumer gear AS the server is the wrong move imo |
| 23:23.02 | genr8_ | the microATX also rubs me the wrong way. you're gonna want more than 1 expansion slot |
| 23:23.02 | sney | agreed |
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