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| 04:45.24 | flayer | Sauvin, themill thanks for giving me the best laugh in a long time. Holy fuck I'm out of breath. |
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| 05:17.41 | iamchroot | muchas gracias |
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| 07:39.09 | H-var | what is the difference between "debian-10_6_0-amd64_nonfree.iso" and "debian-firmware-10_6_0-amd64.iso"? |
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| 08:16.07 | barrett | H-var, the first includes closed source software repositories the second doesn't |
| 08:16.42 | H-var | but the first one also includes firmware? |
| 08:17.17 | barrett | exactly |
| 08:17.52 | H-var | thank you, barrett |
| 08:18.04 | barrett | np |
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| 08:38.25 | sammy123 | I see, can someoen please tell me the concept of PPAs? (i dont really understand from google) |
| 08:40.17 | themill | !ppa |
| 08:40.17 | dpkg | [ppa] Personal Package Archive (see https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas or <launchpad>). PPAs are either: (a) an easy way to grab packages based on nightly-builds/VCS snapshots or (b) an easy way for any idiot to publish a package of extremely poor quality (remember, you will run the maintainer scripts as root during install!). Choose your repos wisely. No equivalent exists for Debian yet. Ask me about <why not use a ppa>. |
| 08:41.00 | themill | sammy123: a PPA is a place where packages can be obtained. They aren't for Debian however. |
| 08:41.31 | ratrace | lol (b) |
| 08:42.43 | sammy123 | sorry for my noobie question, is this something related to APT? like if I have a software and I would like to publish it to apt (so that others can do `apt install my_software`) ? is it like that? |
| 08:44.14 | ratrace | sammy123: more or less |
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| 08:48.04 | sammy123 | how does a new version gets into the apt (without adding a PPA) ? some debian developer/volnteer will manually look that software and say "hey, there's a new version, lets add this to the debian server so that users can get an update" ? or ? |
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| 08:50.04 | ratrace | sammy123: something along those lines, yes |
| 08:50.12 | jelly | yes in general, but there are tools to automate both detecting a new version and building it |
| 08:50.29 | sammy123 | Oh, I see. thanks |
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| 09:00.31 | dob1 | there is a program for console that has graphs of cpu/memory utilization, I don't remember it.... |
| 09:00.49 | ratrace | me neither |
| 09:00.54 | sammy123 | htop? |
| 09:01.03 | dob1 | for sure there are many but I just find htop/top similar program |
| 09:01.16 | ratrace | there's a specific program that shows ascii graphs actually.... lemme try to unearth it from my browsing history |
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| 09:01.29 | sammy123 | bashtop is good one too |
| 09:01.35 | sammy123 | (fancy one) |
| 09:01.35 | dob1 | htop/top are ok but I would prefer one that gives me the history |
| 09:01.50 | dob1 | top/htop gives the real time data |
| 09:02.23 | jelly | atop saves history |
| 09:02.55 | dob1 | it was very simple, you could add any resource you want to minitor, network, memory, disk space |
| 09:03.39 | jelly | but does not have graphs, ascii or otherwise |
| 09:04.32 | ratrace | dob1: nmon? |
| 09:05.04 | ratrace | oh here it is.... s-tui |
| 09:05.13 | ratrace | https://github.com/amanusk/s-tui |
| 09:05.27 | ratrace | ,v s-tui |
| 09:05.28 | judd | Package: s-tui on amd64 -- buster: 0.8.3-1; bullseye: 1.0.2-1; sid: 1.0.2-1 |
| 09:06.42 | dob1 | s-tui is most for cpu, nmon is ok, it was not this one but that's ok, thanks :) |
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| 09:07.17 | ratrace | dob1: it's exactly what oyu asked (console, graphs of cpu/memory), so maybe you asked wrongly :) |
| 09:07.51 | dob1 | ratrace, cpu graph but no memory graph |
| 09:07.57 | sigint | i, netdata |
| 09:08.04 | sigint | ,i netdata |
| 09:08.06 | judd | Package netdata (net, optional) in buster/amd64: real-time performance monitoring (metapackage). Version: 1.12.0-1+deb10u1; Size: 34.1k; Installed: 57k; Homepage: https://github.com/netdata/netdata; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/netdata |
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| 09:08.35 | sigint | not console though |
| 09:09.19 | dob1 | it was like munin and other and other similar one but for console. But anyway nmon is ok :) |
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| 09:15.06 | Herve33 | Hello everyone, why is it not possible to implement what is missing in debian 10 to read Appimages natively? MX linux does it |
| 09:17.26 | jelly | Herve33, the fact mxlinux does it proves it's possible. However once a Debian release is out, in general it does NOT gain new functionality or new software or new versions of software in it. |
| 09:18.46 | jelly | so if a piece of software is missing, it might find its way in Debian 11 |
| 09:19.07 | jelly | to* Debian 11 |
| 09:20.25 | Herve33 | Are you telling me that on testing it should work? |
| 09:21.12 | jelly | Herve33, what fails when you download an .AppImage, change it to be executable and run it? |
| 09:21.39 | jelly | let's first ser what the actual symptoms are |
| 09:21.51 | jelly | !ask |
| 09:21.52 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 09:21.58 | jelly | !paste |
| 09:21.58 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: https://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: https://imgbb.com/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): https://filebin.net or https://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <termbin>. |
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| 09:24.05 | proteusguy | I'm not an experienced debian user. What's the proper way to restart my network stack from the command line? Does it matter what runlevel I'm in when this happens? |
| 09:24.33 | Herve33 | Thanks I'll do it this afternoon. thank you friends |
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| 09:32.52 | AndreasLutro | proteusguy: systemctl restart networking |
| 09:37.03 | rudi_s | But that can be dangerous and kill your networking connection (if you're working remote). - Why exactly do you want to "restart" it? |
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| 10:09.52 | dob1 | which kill signal is equivalent to click the "x" on the main window of a program? |
| 10:10.23 | kzimmermann | SIGTERM, I think...? |
| 10:10.57 | kzimmermann | similar to ^C from the shell IIRC (somebody please correct me, though) |
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| 10:12.03 | kzimmermann | which way do you guys think is lighter on resources: 1 terminal window + tmux + 15 panes with applications or 15 terminal windows managed via tiling window manager? |
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| 10:39.09 | EdePopede | hm. my xterms are at 0.0% RAM and 0.0% CPU, only the one where i checked had a bit of cpu. screen is at 0.2% RAM. |
| 10:41.12 | EdePopede | but i'd place my bet on the tmux way. some time ago the system came up with another weird behaviour, not only the usual Gtk stuff needed forever to repaint after switching desktops or bringing the window to the foreground (read: firefox repainting its canvas mostly), but also xterm inserting some sleep before reacting after being activated. |
| 10:41.53 | EdePopede | sometimes it just doesn't react on keypresses, while other times it only doesn't update. which also includes being plain black for seconds. |
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| 10:47.09 | kzimmermann | EdePopede: interesting insights, I guess that's it indeed. I guess there'd be only one graphical application to carry around with tmux running, versus many if I just use a tiling wm |
| 10:47.41 | kzimmermann | thanks for the comments, I think I'll try both (tmux here atm) and maybe find it out myself |
| 10:48.06 | EdePopede | tmux could even be more effective than screen being newer (afaik) |
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| 10:50.19 | kzimmermann | I see. I actually never used screen so can't tell... |
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| 10:54.34 | EdePopede | heh. 2007 vs 1987, GNU really has been around forever. |
| 10:55.04 | zeedee | I did "do-release-upgrade" over ssh (from within tmux) and now I cannot ssh back into the machine. I know it's up because a few web services work fine. Is there a way to get ssh back without rebooting the computer? It's a "server" in that it's headless and tucked away. I'm really trying to avoid physically power cycling it... Any help would be greatly appreciated |
| 10:55.27 | zeedee | I get error connection reset by peer |
| 10:56.27 | EdePopede | > TD/SMP, short for Terminal Device/Session Management Protocol, was a terminal multiplexer system introduced by DEC on their VT330/340 terminals in 1987. |
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| 10:56.47 | EdePopede | that's neat, both from the same year. anyone using a VT330/340 these days? xD |
| 10:57.33 | kzimmermann | man, and to think that the GNU project is older than *me*... |
| 10:58.20 | kzimmermann | like 10 "technology years" is already huge, now think about the age of GNU, BSD, etc |
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| 11:03.59 | EdePopede | at least we got rid of C in the meantime ;) |
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| 11:17.08 | Delf | Thanks, gry |
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| 11:46.20 | Surfer2011 | hello, how can i make sure two external HDD folders have the same files inide? i know about rsync but with about 600 GB of size those folders seem to overwhelm or i just don't use the correct options |
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| 12:04.07 | oerheks | Surfer2011, for an easy overview, there is grsync, as gui for tasks |
| 12:04.11 | oerheks | !info grsync |
| 12:04.17 | dpkg | grsync: (GTK+ frontend for rsync), section x11, is optional. Version: 1.2.6-2 (sid), Packaged size: 142 kB, Installed size: 605 kB |
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| 12:04.48 | Surfer2011 | i don't have a screen for this server, so i can only use command line |
| 12:06.20 | raidghost | you might be able to run grsync with a X11 forward |
| 12:07.01 | raidghost | ssh -Y username@yourserver-ip |
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| 12:22.44 | rawtaz | hi. quick question, do you have to install nftables in debian buster for firewalld to work after installing it? |
| 12:23.20 | rawtaz | i only installed firewalld and am getting various errors when trying to e.g. --reload rules with it, and there's no nftables installed. |
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| 12:30.56 | nuclearnadal | hello, i cant find setting/preference for terminal in buster cinnamon please can someone help me |
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| 12:32.24 | nuclearnadal | am i using wrong terminal, I am using mlterminal, thai terminal wont open for me and ux terminal has same preferences as mlterminal |
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| 12:39.39 | rawtaz | no, that's not it (firewalld getting error "Error: COMMAND_FAILED: '/usr/sbin/ip6tables-restore -w -n' failed: ip6tables-restore .." isn't helped by having nftables installed) |
| 12:39.46 | rawtaz | must be something with ipv6 |
| 12:40.24 | kzimmermann | ls |
| 12:40.45 | kzimmermann | wrong pane lol |
| 12:40.49 | zeedee | Surfer2011: try diff if you just want to compare files |
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| 12:59.14 | Surfer2011 | thanks |
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| 12:59.44 | Surfer2011 | what do i need to do if there is a "rm: cannot remove '...': Directory not empty (using rm -rf) |
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| 13:01.13 | abrotman | might be filesystem damage |
| 13:01.25 | abrotman | or you don't have permissions to remove all the files? |
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| 13:02.08 | Surfer2011 | i did sudo the command |
| 13:02.28 | H-var | does anyone know a good grub editor with gui? |
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| 13:28.49 | rawtaz | so what do you do about https://pastebin.com/qk8zBfta on an updated and vanilla debian buster? |
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| 13:32.02 | dvs | rawtaz: fix line 4? |
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| 13:35.10 | rawtaz | dvs: but why is it expecting whatever it is expecting out of the box? seems like a bug to me? |
| 13:35.48 | rawtaz | looks to me like it's expecting some rules to be in those two chains but failing to find them |
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| 13:37.28 | dvs | rawtaz: sounds like a bug to me. File a ticket. |
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| 13:44.28 | rawtaz | might do that |
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| 13:45.54 | one | Hi. It's been a while, so decided to read guidelines. I'd like to suggest a change the verb in guideline #1: 's/ google/ search the web/g'. |
| 13:46.06 | rawtaz | +1 to that |
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| 14:06.53 | Lampion | Hello everyone ! I have a quick question regarding scripting, the 'sed' command and regular expressions |
| 14:07.06 | Lampion | May I ask it ? |
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| 14:10.07 | nobyk | You'll never know if you don't |
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| 14:13.13 | petn-randall | Lampion: Ask ahead |
| 14:14.06 | Lampion | So, I'm trying to rename filenames that are roughly formatted this way: "Relevant text - gibberish.fileextension" or â _Warl0ck |
| 14:14.08 | Lampion | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:14.56 | Lampion | Damn... Let me corerct that : So, I'm trying to rename filenames that are roughly formatted this way: "Relevant text - gibberish.fileextension" or "Relevant text - relevant text -gibberish.fileextension" |
| 14:15.06 | Lampion | I'm trying to remove the "gibberish" using sed, but I suck at regexps |
| 14:16.54 | Delf | YHHold your horses... relevant text twice? |
| 14:17.12 | jelly | Lampion, can you pastebin a couple actual examples and desired results? Can there be whitespace within gibberish? |
| 14:17.58 | jelly | prename ought to do the trick |
| 14:18.46 | Lampion | Yep, here it is: The Small Print-K3JPO-K-vrY.m4a ; Muse- Butterflies and Hurricanes-hucz0qsXEUQ.m4a |
| 14:19.30 | Lampion | So you see I'm trying to delete the url between "-" and ".m4a" |
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| 14:24.30 | ayekat | Lampion: looks like the video ID of a video downloaded from YouTube with youtube-dl - I guess you can just try to strip the last 11 or 12 characters from the basename |
| 14:24.31 | Delf | Unable to find the pattern. Perhaps you could make use of a dictionary in order to tell where the beginning of the gibberish is. |
| 14:24.50 | ayekat | though no guarantee that the ID is always going to be 11 characters (+ dash) long |
| 14:25.30 | ayekat | alternatively, there appear to be options to youtube-dl to change what the output filename will look like |
| 14:26.10 | Lampion | ayekat exactly ! Alright, so that would be a cut -c 11 --delimiter '-' --complement |
| 14:26.21 | jelly | Lampion, removing everthing between last - and .m4a would make the first file The Small Print-K3JPO-K.m4a |
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| 14:27.07 | Delf | Lampion: man youtube-dl |
| 14:27.07 | Delf | Then you search for --metadata-from-title |
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| 14:27.26 | Franciman | Hi |
| 14:27.28 | Onyx47 | yeah, if that is correct (the one that jelly posted), (.+)(-.+)\.(.+) will match it, and can be replaced with \1.\3 |
| 14:27.28 | jelly | Lampion, try something like prename -n 's/-.{11,12}\.m4a$/.m4a/' *.m4a |
| 14:27.36 | ayekat | Lampion: AFAIK you can't combine cut -c and -d |
| 14:28.04 | ayekat | would just use ${filename%-???????????.m4a}.m4a :-P |
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| 14:28.32 | Lampion | What's prename ? |
| 14:28.52 | Lampion | Wow... I think I'll do that manually that's still very complicated for me. |
| 14:28.52 | jelly | a command like tool to rename files using perl code |
| 14:28.54 | Onyx47 | https://regex101.com/r/9CtbE6/1 invaluable tool to mess with regexes in general :) |
| 14:29.06 | jelly | and perl has sed-like s/// |
| 14:29.27 | Lampion | Thank you a lot, I was looking for a good reference |
| 14:29.36 | jelly | ,i rename |
| 14:29.38 | judd | Package rename (perl, optional) in buster/amd64: Perl extension for renaming multiple files. Version: 1.10-1; Size: 16.8k; Installed: 49k; Homepage: https://metacpan.org/release/File-Rename |
| 14:31.31 | Delf | Lampion: You get back here next time you got a question and ask away, no need to ask if you can ask. |
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| 14:33.24 | Lampion | Thx Delf, always a pleasure to come here :) |
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| 14:34.28 | jelly | Lampion, https://paste.debian.net/1166708/ |
| 14:35.43 | jelly | man prename, and get rid of -n to make it actually do anything after you're sure the results look fine |
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| 14:37.49 | Lampion | Alright, so prename sets up configuration for rename ? |
| 14:38.06 | jelly | no. prename IS rename |
| 14:38.19 | jelly | one of the implementantions |
| 14:38.28 | dvs | Lampion: "-n" means dry run |
| 14:39.07 | jelly | I add the dry run option when showing someone commands on irc to avoid doing harm |
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| 14:40.47 | eslackerz | 0:0 |
| 14:40.54 | Lampion | I'll check the mans and stop taking your time, thank you again guys :) |
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| 14:47.10 | Franciman | uff what the hack has this software that is wrong |
| 14:47.23 | Franciman | the network fails and I see NO MESSAGE in dmesg |
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| 14:51.54 | azeem | Franciman: dmesg isn't for user application failures |
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| 14:52.08 | Franciman | what is for user application failures? |
| 14:52.16 | Franciman | I thought that networking issues were kernel problems |
| 14:52.26 | Franciman | journalctl doesn't show anything either |
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| 14:55.15 | Franciman | I find myself in this position: the network fails, but nothing signals that the network failed, except that ping doesn't work anymore (and so do other applications like hexchat etc) |
| 14:55.20 | Franciman | so is this a phantom problem? |
| 14:55.59 | Franciman | does it mean that there is some piece of software hanging somewhere instead of receiving packats? |
| 14:56.02 | azeem | so ping to where? |
| 14:56.02 | Franciman | packets* |
| 14:56.06 | Franciman | ping to everythin |
| 14:56.09 | Franciman | my gateway |
| 14:56.10 | Franciman | gnu.org |
| 14:56.12 | Franciman | 8.8.8.8 |
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| 14:56.17 | azeem | ouch |
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| 14:56.31 | Franciman | sorry |
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| 14:58.12 | azeem | Franciman: and you're sure that it's not a problem with e.g. the gateway? |
| 14:58.32 | Franciman | I am, because the other devices connected to it work perfectly |
| 14:58.47 | Franciman | My bet is that there is some problem with the driver, but I see NO LOG everywhere |
| 14:59.37 | Franciman | even network manager thinks that I am connected. The only odd thing is that in wavemon, in the Statistics i see the RX statistic STILL, it doesn't fluctuate as it usually does |
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| 15:21.02 | fuxxy | Surfer2011, I used rsync to copy ~22TB of backups without issue. |
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| 15:29.59 | RhineDevil | not for being rude but why tf gradle version in sid is from 2017? why keeping something in repo that is in fact unuseful since everyone requires at least gradle 5.0? |
| 15:30.31 | RhineDevil | I've taken a look at the tracker too and no explaination was given for this |
| 15:31.33 | sney | seems to be kotlin-related #933264 |
| 15:31.34 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/933264 in src:gradle (open): «gradle: please update to new version»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2019-07-28; last modified: 2020-10-05. |
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| 15:34.40 | RhineDevil | sney, makes sense but this was a year ago, they should either retry and figure what's wrong or purge the package from repo |
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| 15:35.19 | sney | RhineDevil: the final message in that thread is from the maintainer, and was sent 6 days ago. |
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| 15:40.40 | RhineDevil | sney, "did you know that gradle now requires kotlin" is it a policy choice then? Otherwise they could retry to bootstrap with the downloaded binary and then try if they succeed to make him build himself in a reproducible way I think |
| 15:42.50 | jelly | RhineDevil, software builds in debian cannot rely on binaries from outside debian, kotlin nees to bootstrap itself and the bug reports seems to say that doesn't work |
| 15:42.59 | sney | if you have relevant suggestions then feel free to email them to the maintainer. it sounded like they could use more people |
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| 15:43.44 | jelly | RhineDevil, see eg. https://lists.debian.org/debian-java/2019/10/msg00007.html |
| 15:44.07 | jelly | (linked somewhere in that bts page) |
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| 15:57.00 | jelly | (and then https://lists.debian.org/debian-outreach/2020/08/msg00022.html ... so work is being done) |
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| 16:12.39 | tramplefoot | im pretty sure here isn't the best place to ask this but |
| 16:12.54 | tramplefoot | are there any games for the nes which are floss? |
| 16:13.53 | azeem | it's indeed to wrong place to ask |
| 16:13.59 | azeem | the wrong* |
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| 16:29.48 | gartt | Does anyone run debian on Dell high-end workstations? (Xeons, ECC RAM, etc) |
| 16:30.38 | dvs | !anyone |
| 16:30.38 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 16:31.04 | sney | server/workstation hardware (often they are the same thing in a different box) tends to have better linux support than consumer stuff. |
| 16:31.16 | sney | but yes, what's your real question |
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| 16:32.50 | sponix | gartt: I am on a 10 core Xeon with 32GB Ram and about 30TB of Storage |
| 16:32.53 | gartt | Sorry for being so vague. The reason and real question I'm trying to get at is that I know Suse enterprise, Red Hat, and Ubuntu is possible on it, but read that there are "tweaks" the Dell performs to get everything 100% |
| 16:33.23 | gartt | So I was wondering if debian in the "public" versions can be plopped on one |
| 16:33.24 | sponix | Oh, I am not on a "Dell" though |
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| 16:34.04 | gartt | sponix: Ah great - any issues? The 30TB is SATA or NVMe? |
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| 16:35.06 | sney | gartt: it's hard to know for sure without specifying actual components, but Dell's "tweaks" are mostly snake oil anyway IME. also, what do you mean by "public"? |
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| 16:36.10 | gartt | sney: I see. By public, I meant a lot of work or custom software - beyond just grabbing a version of debian online and recompiling the kernel for example |
| 16:36.27 | sponix | gartt: my drives are Sata. and my rig is all off the shelf stuff -> https://sponix.cf/Downloads/20190831rig.jpg |
| 16:36.51 | sney | recompiling the kernel?! what is this, 2004? |
| 16:36.58 | gartt | sponix: That's an impressive workstation |
| 16:37.37 | gartt | The Jose Cuervo is for you or the machine on bad days? |
| 16:38.14 | sney | debian stable from debian.org will likely work out of the box. if Dell opted for the slightly-cheaper bnx2 gigabit nics, you will need driver firmware to support those, but that's probably the only headache you'll have. |
| 16:39.21 | sponix | gartt: both |
| 16:39.54 | sney | broadly, if a hardware vendor tells you ubuntu is supported, debian will work too. (there are some exceptions but they are not relevant for servers/workstations) |
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| 16:41.03 | gartt | sney: That's good news. I guess I was worried about support for dual xeons or Nvidia Quadro M4000 8GB GDDR5 Graphic Card |
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| 16:41.19 | sponix | sney: so if he just uses the non-free iso to start with for the extra firmware -- chances are great that it will work out of the box |
| 16:41.29 | sney | sponix: yes |
| 16:41.55 | sponix | gartt: Nvidia packages their own Linux drivers that can be used for the Quadro, and Xeons need no additional support |
| 16:41.58 | sney | gartt: there is little to no software component to cpu support. as for the quadro, nvidia non-free is the same for all linux OSes |
| 16:42.47 | gartt | sponix, sney: Thanks a lot |
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| 16:42.52 | sney | np |
| 16:43.04 | sponix | ,v nvidia-driver |
| 16:43.06 | judd | Package: nvidia-driver on amd64 -- jessie/non-free: 340.106-1; stretch-proposed-updates/non-free: 390.132-1; stretch/non-free: 390.138-1; stretch-backports/non-free: 418.74-1~bpo9+1; buster/non-free: 418.152.00-1; buster-backports/non-free: 450.66-1~bpo10+1; bullseye/non-free: 450.66-1; sid/non-free: 450.66-1; experimental/non-free: 455.23.04-1 |
| 16:43.59 | sney | google says that model is from 2015, so the driver in buster should work great |
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| 16:51.39 | dob1 | I installed docker package (the one from docker site), it doesn't seem that it take cares to stop container on shutdown... right? |
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| 16:52.33 | sney | that would be a question for the docker people |
| 16:52.40 | sponix | dob1: it is probably the best practice to stop/shutdown the containers 1st |
| 16:53.08 | sponix | sney: isn't "docker" in the Debian repos already ? |
| 16:53.27 | sney | ,i docker.io |
| 16:53.29 | judd | Package docker.io (admin, optional) in buster/amd64: Linux container runtime. Version: 18.09.1+dfsg1-7.1+deb10u2; Size: 52261.8k; Installed: 232352k; Homepage: https://mobyproject.org; RFH: #908868 |
| 16:53.39 | sney | yes, but dob1 says they installed the package from the docker site |
| 16:53.40 | dob1 | sponix, it is but it is suggested to not use the one on debian repo |
| 16:53.59 | sney | we don't know what docker is doing in their own packaged service definitions |
| 16:54.06 | sponix | dob1: odd, I would suggest you use the one in the debian repo LOL |
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| 16:55.34 | dob1 | ,v docker-ce |
| 16:55.35 | judd | No package named 'docker-ce' was found in amd64. |
| 16:55.56 | dob1 | I am a bit confused about the version :) |
| 16:56.16 | sponix | dob1: there is very likely a docker IRC channel here on freenode |
| 16:56.26 | dob1 | sponix, you right, sorry for the OT |
| 16:56.57 | sponix | No problem. I just have very little experience with docker |
| 16:58.35 | dob1 | sponix, I am just a beginner too |
| 16:59.14 | sigint | dob1, I have docker installed from their repo and my containers stop properly when my system stops |
| 16:59.52 | sponix | Are you both on Debian 10 ? |
| 16:59.53 | dob1 | ah this is interesting, not OT, I was reading this: https://stackoverflow.com/a/57678382/399637 and this is one is important: Many web pages call docker.io "outdated". That is because it was unmaintained for about a year. As of August 2019, this is no longer the case. |
| 17:00.20 | sigint | Yep, debian 10 here |
| 17:01.02 | sigint | I remember that the docker version packaged in debian in the ~jessie era was a bit funny |
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| 17:02.16 | sigint | so it was recommended to install it from their repo, I still do that and never had problems |
| 17:03.06 | dob1 | sigint, from the link I posted it seems a resolved issue, now the debian one is ok too (not tested) |
| 17:05.36 | sigint | anyway docker is not moving as fast (and breaking things) as it once was, so there should be little differences between the one packaged in debian and the one they provide |
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| 17:17.06 | TuxCrazy | hello... |
| 17:17.18 | sney | hi |
| 17:17.38 | TuxCrazy | is Debian 10 KDE Plasma suitable for a laptop with just 4 GBs of RAM? |
| 17:18.05 | sney | it would probably run fine, depending on what else you're using it for |
| 17:18.21 | TuxCrazy | ok |
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| 17:18.51 | TuxCrazy | do we need an anti virus package on Linux distros? |
| 17:18.58 | sney | nope |
| 17:19.14 | alex11 | no, just good practices |
| 17:19.18 | EmptyMessage | Debian + KDE in my experience hovers at around 800-1gb ram so you should be fine. If you want to go lighter than that, then I like JWM |
| 17:19.32 | TuxCrazy | ok |
| 17:19.42 | EmptyMessage | If you install from the repos and dont paste in random commands you dont know what they do, everything will be fine |
| 17:19.48 | alex11 | ^ |
| 17:19.59 | alex11 | and don't chmod 777 everything |
| 17:20.14 | sponix | alex11: damn |
| 17:20.20 | sney | the main memory drain these days is web browsers, and that happens regardless of what desktop env or window manager you use |
| 17:20.30 | TuxCrazy | alex11, what does chmod 777 do? |
| 17:20.40 | TuxCrazy | sney, ok |
| 17:20.43 | EmptyMessage | it changes the permissions on the files so everybody can read and wrte to them |
| 17:20.56 | TuxCrazy | alex11, what should I do instead? |
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| 17:21.10 | alex11 | just leave permissions alone, most of them are already set to 644 |
| 17:21.11 | TuxCrazy | EmptyMessage, what should I do? |
| 17:21.20 | sney | TuxCrazy: as EmptyMessage said, don't paste in random commands you don't know what they do. |
| 17:21.25 | EmptyMessage | its not a situation a desktop user will usually find themselves in |
| 17:21.25 | alex11 | i was being slightly facetious |
| 17:21.56 | sney | stackexchange has gotten a *little* better at not suggesting 777 for everything |
| 17:22.16 | sponix | but 777 is godlike ! |
| 17:22.22 | sney | !777 |
| 17:22.23 | dpkg | 777 is the mode corresponding to -rwxrwxrwx and is NEVER the right answer to your permission "problems". Anyone on your box (whether welcome or not) can do anything they want with those directories and files. It is VERY WRONG... learn how to use the permissions properly instead of leaving a gaping security hole to make something work in a hurry. Ask me about <user private groups>, <permissions>, <ftp must die>. |
| 17:22.33 | TuxCrazy | should I set 644 for all files, folders and partitions? |
| 17:22.35 | EmptyMessage | lol I need to learn these bots |
| 17:22.51 | sney | TuxCrazy: your debian system will have default permissions already in place. leave them alone. |
| 17:23.26 | TuxCrazy | sney, I think permissions for some files and folders were changed. |
| 17:23.35 | TuxCrazy | I need to set 644. |
| 17:23.40 | EmptyMessage | TuxCrazy: explain... |
| 17:23.46 | TuxCrazy | how can I do that? |
| 17:23.47 | alex11 | you 'technically' don't even need an antivirus for windows (windows defender is recommended) but windows is a POS that's coded much less well than linux/debian anyway so... |
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| 17:24.32 | sney | the only time I've needed antivirus on linux was when I was running an email server in prod. and that was to benefit the windows users anyway |
| 17:24.45 | EmptyMessage | TuxCrazy: The command is `chmod -R 644 <directory>` or `chmod 644 <file>` but unless you explicitly changed something then dont worry about it |
| 17:25.05 | TuxCrazy | EmptyMessage, I think, I had changed it once. |
| 17:25.19 | sney | TuxCrazy: where are the files you think you changed? |
| 17:25.20 | sponix | TuxCrazy: use "ls -l" to see the current permissions |
| 17:25.29 | EmptyMessage | it will be in the far left column |
| 17:25.46 | TuxCrazy | sney, for entire partitions, I think. |
| 17:25.50 | sney | lol |
| 17:25.51 | sney | just reinstall |
| 17:26.05 | EmptyMessage | ^ |
| 17:26.06 | TuxCrazy | sney, why? |
| 17:26.07 | EmptyMessage | but check first haha |
| 17:26.09 | sney | this is what they call a "learning experience" |
| 17:26.35 | sney | because different parts of your OS need different file permissions to work properly. |
| 17:26.36 | EmptyMessage | there are many files that are not 644 (such as SSH keys) and tracking each one down and manually changing them is waaay too much work |
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| 17:27.22 | alex11 | i screwed my /home once and then just set 644 to everything but ssh, i'm sure some stuff broke but i'll fix it if it becomes a problem |
| 17:27.36 | EmptyMessage | if you `ls -l` in the terminal, what is on the left column? |
| 17:28.25 | EmptyMessage | if each file has "-rwxrwxrwx', then it has been set to 777. If it has `drwxr-xr-x` then it is fine |
| 17:28.45 | sigint | `history | grep chmod` can also give you a clue |
| 17:28.48 | TuxCrazy | EmptyMessage, for some it is "drwxrwxrwx " |
| 17:29.13 | EmptyMessage | TuxCrazy: can you `cd /` then do the same thing? |
| 17:29.20 | sponix | not sure why, but it looks like my /home/sponix is actually like 600 |
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| 17:29.59 | TuxCrazy | what if it is set to 777 on other partitions. |
| 17:30.00 | TuxCrazy | ? |
| 17:30.00 | sponix | drwx--x--x 93 sponix sponix 4096 Oct 9 23:32 sponix |
| 17:30.07 | TuxCrazy | how can I change that? |
| 17:30.24 | sponix | TuxCrazy: what file system type are they ? |
| 17:30.42 | EmptyMessage | TuxCrazy: assuming that it is just personal files, then you can go to where the parition is mounted and do `chmod -R 644 *`. Dont do that on any system files though |
| 17:30.46 | TuxCrazy | sponix, ext4 |
| 17:31.05 | TuxCrazy | EmptyMessage, ok |
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| 17:33.54 | TuxCrazy | after doing that for a partition, I'm not able to open the terminal there, in that partiton. |
| 17:34.07 | EmptyMessage | uhhh, what exactly did you do |
| 17:34.58 | TuxCrazy | sudo chmod -R 644 and then the partition location |
| 17:35.38 | EmptyMessage | you have to chown it to your own user |
| 17:35.49 | EmptyMessage | right now its 644, but owned by the root user I believe |
| 17:36.15 | TuxCrazy | EmptyMessage, yes, probably. |
| 17:36.23 | TuxCrazy | what can I do now? |
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| 17:36.34 | EmptyMessage | try `chown -R <username>:<username> <path-to-partition>/*` |
| 17:37.05 | sney | what "path to partition"? tell us the whole command. |
| 17:37.08 | sney | !your screen' |
| 17:37.10 | sney | !your screen |
| 17:37.14 | TuxCrazy | EmptyMessage, with sudo? |
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| 17:37.23 | sney | !your screen |
| 17:37.23 | dpkg | Your screen is in front of your face. #debian cannot see it. Please give as many details as you can about the problem. It wastes our time and yours when we have to guess what is on your screen. See <context>, <what> |
| 17:37.31 | EmptyMessage | TuxCrazy: yes |
| 17:38.28 | TuxCrazy | EmptyMessage, permission denied. |
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| 17:38.32 | TuxCrazy | sney, ok |
| 17:38.40 | EmptyMessage | TuxCrazy: even with sudo? |
| 17:38.49 | TuxCrazy | EmptyMessage, yes. |
| 17:38.51 | sney | [11:25:51] <sney> just reinstall |
| 17:39.08 | EmptyMessage | reinstalling wouldnt change the permissions on the other partition though |
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| 17:39.55 | sney | some random magical "other partition" is irrelevant without some kind of details |
| 17:40.06 | sney | for all we know he's trying to change permissions on a ntfs drive |
| 17:40.22 | sponix | sney: that is what I suspected all along :) |
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| 17:41.08 | TuxCrazy | sney, no. It is an ext4 partition. |
| 17:41.32 | sney | TuxCrazy: fine, prove me wrong, what's the path? |
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| 17:42.09 | EmptyMessage | TuxCrazy: it might be helpful if you send your command history through paste.debian.net |
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| 17:43.27 | TuxCrazy | I am trying it again. It is writing data to device. |
| 17:43.38 | TuxCrazy | let me wait and check it again. |
| 17:44.00 | alex11 | suspects something very wrong |
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| 17:45.04 | sney | there is definitely a smell |
| 17:45.31 | sney | TuxCrazy: are you refusing to show us the whole command because you are embarrassed, or because you are trolling? |
| 17:45.38 | TuxCrazy | the path is /media/"User Name"/A1/ |
| 17:46.06 | EmptyMessage | it would be really helpful to see your command history of the last 10 mins |
| 17:46.39 | TuxCrazy | EmptyMessage, I closed the terminal. |
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| 17:47.01 | EmptyMessage | there should still be a .bash_history file |
| 17:47.06 | EmptyMessage | in your home folder |
| 17:47.39 | sney | takes another step towards column b |
| 17:48.08 | EmptyMessage | sney: how do you do these reaction things |
| 17:48.16 | alex11 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:48.22 | EmptyMessage | test |
| 17:48.25 | EmptyMessage | ooh thanks |
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| 17:50.26 | TuxCrazy | can I paste it here? |
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| 17:50.41 | EmptyMessage | no paste it into paste.debian.net |
| 17:50.46 | EmptyMessage | then send the link |
| 17:50.58 | EmptyMessage | or use `/msg dpkg paste` |
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| 17:51.07 | sney | !termbin |
| 17:51.07 | dpkg | you can paste to termbin.com from terminal via: cat /path/to/file | nc termbin.com 9999 |
| 17:51.17 | EmptyMessage | huh very cool |
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| 17:51.35 | sney | that one is newer. very useful. |
| 17:51.35 | IdotMaster1 | big coce |
| 17:51.55 | IdotMaster1 | h e l l o |
| 17:52.00 | EmptyMessage | hello |
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| 17:53.15 | alex11 | more important than an antivirus is 'follow instructions'... |
| 17:53.41 | TuxCrazy | https://hastebin.com/alagujedov.pl |
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| 17:53.47 | alex11 | sigh |
| 17:54.04 | TuxCrazy | alex11, why? |
| 17:54.07 | alex11 | oh my god! |
| 17:54.19 | TuxCrazy | alex11, why? |
| 17:55.12 | TuxCrazy | what happened? |
| 17:55.22 | TuxCrazy | how can I correct it now? |
| 17:56.39 | maxi_ | What is happening lol |
| 17:56.41 | TuxCrazy | no file is accessible now on that partition. |
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| 17:57.01 | EmptyMessage | maxi_: trying to fix a permissions issue with TuxCrazy |
| 17:57.08 | TuxCrazy | all the folders are showing as empty. |
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| 17:57.24 | TuxCrazy | I think, it should set it back to 777 |
| 17:57.33 | dvs | !777 |
| 17:57.33 | dpkg | 777 is the mode corresponding to -rwxrwxrwx and is NEVER the right answer to your permission "problems". Anyone on your box (whether welcome or not) can do anything they want with those directories and files. It is VERY WRONG... learn how to use the permissions properly instead of leaving a gaping security hole to make something work in a hurry. Ask me about <user private groups>, <permissions>, <ftp must die>. |
| 17:57.54 | sney | it's just some external data drive, 777 in this case won't hurt anything |
| 17:58.17 | sney | besides, TuxCrazy is probably just a troll, for how much any of this has made sense |
| 17:58.26 | dvs | That's what I get for seeing the issue in the middle |
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| 17:58.30 | sney | indeeed |
| 17:58.33 | TuxCrazy | sney, no. I am not trolling. |
| 17:58.46 | EmptyMessage | I'm with Sney here |
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| 17:59.08 | TuxCrazy | someone here suggested that I change the permissions. I did that. |
| 17:59.25 | TuxCrazy | I was not aware that 777 is so risky. |
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| 17:59.51 | EmptyMessage | yeah but your commands and what you are saying has happened doesn't follow |
| 17:59.58 | sney | the funniest thing is when the trolls try to change what happened, as if we can't just scroll up and look |
| 18:00.00 | sney | I'm tired of this |
| 18:00.05 | sney | !ops TuxCrazy full of it |
| 18:00.05 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall, bremner: sney complains about a problem (see above) |
| 18:00.14 | EmptyMessage | sney: this happens a lot round here? |
| 18:00.35 | sney | I wouldn't say "a lot" but certainly a few times a month |
| 18:00.43 | EmptyMessage | yikes |
| 18:00.50 | TuxCrazy | sney, I am not trolling. |
| 18:00.59 | sney | usually greycat is here and nips it in the bud earlier in the process |
| 18:01.22 | TuxCrazy | please help me. I am not able to access any files on that partition. |
| 18:03.39 | TuxCrazy | sney, could you show what are the permissions set on your computer? for a partition other than the root and home partitions? |
| 18:04.22 | TuxCrazy | I think, I should study this topic related to permission in detail. |
| 18:05.02 | TuxCrazy | is there no GUI tool to change the permissions of files, folders and partitions? |
| 18:05.10 | EmptyMessage | the file manager can usually do it |
| 18:05.11 | azeem | I'm not sure why somebody brought up 777 in the first place |
| 18:05.15 | alex11 | trolling aside, for a filesystem that handles permissions properly even if it's just on a data drive it's worth doing them right in case you want to restore stuff later (especially if you're backing up to that drive) |
| 18:05.23 | EmptyMessage | ^ |
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| 18:05.59 | alex11 | with that being said if that drive is months old stuff then i wouldn't blindly chmod all of it in one go |
| 18:06.09 | alex11 | if you don't remember all that's on it |
| 18:06.15 | EmptyMessage | azeem: TuxCrazy asked about antivirus, and alex11 mentioned not using 777 permissions |
| 18:06.24 | alex11 | and now i regret it |
| 18:06.28 | EmptyMessage | lol |
| 18:06.43 | TuxCrazy | EmptyMessage, yes. I didn't know about this 777 and that it is so risky. |
| 18:06.54 | TuxCrazy | I need to study this. |
| 18:07.48 | sney | you all must be bored or really gullible |
| 18:08.06 | TuxCrazy | sney, what do you mean? |
| 18:08.24 | azeem | sney: please keep it on topic |
| 18:08.57 | alex11 | data transfer from one drive to another is not necessarily a simple process, permissions and user IDs do get messed up between systems, you can't just blindly do it... for example debian and freebsd assign (by default; you can change it in freebsd) different user IDs to the first user |
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| 18:09.05 | TuxCrazy | btw, there is only one use on this computer. |
| 18:09.20 | sney | right, the topic, moving goalposts of a fake issue. well, I guess it is technically debian-related. |
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| 18:09.35 | alex11 | backups are important but knowing how to back up is important too |
| 18:09.39 | alex11 | anyway, now i'm on a tangent |
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| 18:11.21 | alex11 | (and knowing how to restore) |
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| 18:12.50 | TuxCrazy | alex11, what are the permissions set on your computer? |
| 18:13.12 | TuxCrazy | on partitons other than the root and home? |
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| 18:14.22 | azeem | TuxCrazy: which partition are you talking about exactly again |
| 18:14.40 | azeem | cause some might have a separate /var or /usr partition, and their permissions won't help you at all |
| 18:15.31 | TuxCrazy | azeem, not the partition on which there are system files. |
| 18:15.39 | TuxCrazy | not even the Home partition. |
| 18:16.45 | TuxCrazy | I have totally 8 partitions on my computer. |
| 18:17.40 | TuxCrazy | one is MX root partition, the other Home partiton. Others are partitions on which I have my personal data. |
| 18:18.03 | dvs | gies sney $10 |
| 18:18.10 | dvs | *gives |
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| 18:18.38 | azeem | TuxCrazy: what is MX root? |
| 18:19.09 | TuxCrazy | azeem, the root partition for MX. |
| 18:19.29 | azeem | what is MX? |
| 18:19.42 | azeem | !mx |
| 18:19.42 | dpkg | mx is probably the Mail eXchanger resource record in DNS -- it tells an <MTA> where to deliver mail for a given domain. Merry Xmas, or Mexico. Si está buscando el canal de soporte para debian relativo a México, dirÃjase a #debian-mx |
| 18:19.47 | azeem | hrm |
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| 18:21.35 | dvs | more like |
| 18:21.39 | dvs | !mxlinux |
| 18:21.39 | dpkg | MX-18 Linux is based on Debian stretch; MX-19 is based on Debian buster. However, MX Linux is not supported in #debian. Seek help at https://mxlinux.org/. If you are new to linux, try using Debian instead: http://www.debian.org and see <why debian> -- that means you can type: /msg dpkg why debian |
| 18:21.42 | TuxCrazy | one is root partiton, the other one is Home partiton. I have two partitons for Windows. Others are for my personal data. |
| 18:22.01 | azeem | TuxCrazy: if you're not using Debian, then please ask elsewhere for support |
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| 18:25.47 | H-var | I'm trying to install steam on debian, but steam wants me to install i386 nvidia drivers, so I followed the instructions, but I am getting this error: http://paste.debian.net/1166729/ |
| 18:26.05 | H-var | I really don't understand what I am supposed to do |
| 18:26.12 | sney | H-var: did you enable multiarch? |
| 18:26.33 | H-var | yes by $ sudo dpkg --add-architecture i386 |
| 18:26.48 | H-var | is that the one you asked, sney? |
| 18:27.01 | sney | yes. also, 'apt install steam:i386' should handle all of the deps automatically. |
| 18:27.03 | H-var | or there's more to enable? |
| 18:27.39 | H-var | steam:i386 is already the newest version (1.0.0.59-4). |
| 18:28.26 | sney | ok, it's been a minute since I've done this on buster |
| 18:28.36 | H-var | it's the only one available. There's no steam x86_x64 |
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| 18:28.46 | sney | what happens if you 'apt install nvidia-driver-libs:i386'? |
| 18:29.11 | H-var | lol |
| 18:29.38 | sney | note the : instead of - , this is not the same as the command in your paste |
| 18:29.47 | H-var | I tried $ sudo apt install nvidia-driver-libs-i386:i386 xD |
| 18:29.55 | H-var | thanks sney |
| 18:30.14 | sney | you're being vague but since you said thanks I'm assuming that helped |
| 18:30.17 | H-var | now let's try running steam :D |
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| 18:31.16 | TuxCrazy | can we use Debian testing packages on Debian stable? |
| 18:31.29 | H-var | well that didn't go too far crap... |
| 18:31.29 | azeem | are you running Debian stable now? |
| 18:31.54 | H-var | http://paste.debian.net/1166730/ |
| 18:31.56 | TuxCrazy | suppose, I need the latest stable package of Libre Office, how can I get it on Debian Stable? |
| 18:32.25 | H-var | yes, that installed the drivers, but now steam is not starting |
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| 18:34.27 | azeem | H-var: try apt install xfonts-100dpi |
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| 18:35.13 | H-var | azeem was already installed |
| 18:35.22 | azeem | worth a shot |
| 18:35.39 | azeem | did you try to google the error message? There's some prior discussion on the steam boards |
| 18:36.28 | H-var | I tried running steam from the icon in the launcher, it thought about something for a while, and crashed without drawing any windows |
| 18:36.33 | H-var | and now the error is different |
| 18:37.22 | sney | since it's X stuff, maybe log out and log back in |
| 18:38.25 | H-var | https://pastebin.com/yQrfASBf |
| 18:38.31 | H-var | debian won't let me paste anymore |
| 18:39.02 | sney | wow, that's something. looks like steam tried to update itself and the download failed in the middle |
| 18:39.19 | sney | delete the .steam dir and try to launch it again |
| 18:40.22 | H-var | yeah, same error |
| 18:40.44 | H-var | it's either error from pastebin, or error from debian paste |
| 18:41.04 | sney | after deleting ~/.steam, it gave you the same message about an invalid tar archive? |
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| 18:41.15 | H-var | if I run the icon then yes |
| 18:41.24 | H-var | if I run the command "steam" then it's that other error |
| 18:41.55 | H-var | the icon runs "/usr/games/steam %U" |
| 18:42.45 | sney | tbh I would purge any steam-related packages and start over. |
| 18:42.55 | sney | and maybe throw in a reboot for good measure |
| 18:44.15 | H-var | how can I purge all steam related packages? apt autoremove? |
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| 18:45.05 | sney | 'aptitude purge ~isteam' and then delete that config directory under your home again |
| 18:45.26 | H-var | ok, I'll try rebooting first |
| 18:46.38 | jmcnaught | I think that would be "aptitude purge ~i~nsteam" |
| 18:46.54 | sney | which flag is n? |
| 18:46.54 | H-var | thank you! |
| 18:47.15 | jmcnaught | Oh it's name but I guess it's redundant |
| 18:48.08 | sney | yep, not needed there. |
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| 18:52.52 | azeem | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:52.52 | azeem | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:53.00 | azeem | uh sorry, EWIN |
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| 18:55.17 | H-var | oh... |
| 18:55.42 | H-var | I restarted, but now my proprietary nvidia x64 driver is not starting |
| 18:55.51 | H-var | everything's in 640p |
| 18:56.31 | sney | did apt perhaps remove an amd64 component while it was installing the i386 ones? |
| 18:57.23 | sney | (you can check in /var/log/apt/history.log) |
| 18:59.39 | H-var | here is the log: http://paste.debian.net/1166738/ |
| 18:59.46 | H-var | it did remove 64 packages, didn't it? |
| 19:00.58 | sney | oh I see, you had the nvidia driver from buster-backports. so when you installed the i386 nvidia packages, they conflicted and it removed the newer ones |
| 19:01.28 | H-var | so what do I do now from here? |
| 19:01.31 | sney | 'apt -t buster-backports install nvidia-driver nvidia-driver-libs:i386' will probably resolve this |
| 19:02.12 | H-var | oh, I disabled backports |
| 19:02.24 | H-var | can I just install nvidia drivers without using the backports? |
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| 19:02.31 | sney | sure |
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| 19:02.54 | sney | unless you needed the backport version for a reason, e.g. a gpu too new for version 418 |
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| 19:03.26 | H-var | I think according to debian's wiki gp102 is only available on backports? |
| 19:03.29 | H-var | right? |
| 19:04.34 | sney | google says those are from 2016 so I don't think so |
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| 19:05.56 | sney | nvidia says the 1080s are supported by the 418 driver. https://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/418.43/README/supportedchips.html |
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| 19:08.28 | H-var | should I download the 32bit driver or 64bit driver in this situation, sney? |
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| 19:09.01 | H-var | from the nvidia website, or just run "'apt install nvidia-driver nvidia-driver-libs:i386"? |
| 19:09.10 | sney | H-var: you already have the 32-bit, remember? just 'apt install nvidia-driver' |
| 19:09.26 | H-var | I purged everything |
| 19:09.39 | H-var | apt remove --purge nvidia-* |
| 19:09.42 | sney | nvidia too? ok, then the command you just suggested |
| 19:09.49 | H-var | ok! |
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| 19:22.28 | H-var | it installed everything, but didn't install nvidia-settings |
| 19:22.46 | H-var | "nvidia-settings : Depends: libxnvctrl0 (= 418.74-1) but 450.66-1~bpo10+1 is to be installed" |
| 19:23.01 | H-var | I don't understand why it mentions bpo10+1 if I disabled it |
| 19:23.05 | sney | I have never needed nvidia-settings in something like 10 years of using nvidia proprietary on linux |
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| 19:23.43 | H-var | so how do I manage video driver without it on linux? Is there a GUI here for it? |
| 19:23.51 | H-var | in debian |
| 19:24.34 | sney | one of the nvidia packages installs a file to /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/ that enables the driver when the gpu is detected. |
| 19:24.53 | sney | you can put extra xorg tweaks in there, if you need them, but typically it Just Works |
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| 19:25.43 | H-var | mine doesn't - monitor struggles and everything is like under a candle light |
| 19:25.53 | H-var | it's blinking visibly |
| 19:25.58 | H-var | and windows are freezing up |
| 19:26.06 | sney | anyway, to your question: you probably missed some nvidia packages in your earlier purge that didn't have names beginning with 'nvidia-' |
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| 19:27.06 | H-var | so I should redo everything? |
| 19:27.13 | H-var | how can I made a proper purge then? |
| 19:27.22 | H-var | make* |
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| 19:28.11 | H-var | yeah - that's why it's trying to get a package from a bpo10+1? |
| 19:28.20 | H-var | because of incomplete uninstallation... |
| 19:28.25 | sney | I would look at that libxnvctrl0 package and see what it depends on, there is likely something in its dependencies that is holding it at the wrong version |
| 19:28.51 | H-var | can simply I remove it, and re-install? |
| 19:29.12 | sney | if you do an 'aptitude search ~inv' it should show you all of your nvidia-adjacent packages |
| 19:29.26 | sney | (though do not blindly purge this list as it will also match other stuff) |
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| 19:30.24 | jhutchins | This may be a case where the menued version of apt is useful. |
| 19:31.33 | H-var | here is what it says: http://paste.debian.net/1166747/ |
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| 19:32.00 | H-var | A means installed? |
| 19:32.04 | sney | A means automatic. |
| 19:32.17 | H-var | and i is installed? |
| 19:32.19 | sney | I bet it's that libnvidia-cbl that is still at the bpo version |
| 19:32.37 | sney | yes, and the ~i in your search terms also means installed. |
| 19:32.40 | H-var | so I just uninstall it? |
| 19:32.50 | sney | first you LOOK to see if my guess is correct |
| 19:33.03 | sney | don't blindly do stuff you don't understand. that's how you create these issues. |
| 19:34.58 | H-var | libnvidia-cbl depends on libc6 |
| 19:35.09 | H-var | and required by nothing |
| 19:35.11 | sney | did you look? what version is it? |
| 19:35.23 | H-var | 2.28-10 amd64 |
| 19:35.29 | H-var | and it's from bpo10+1 |
| 19:35.42 | H-var | I'm using apper - thanks, jhutchins |
| 19:35.44 | sney | not libc6, the nvidia package |
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| 19:36.16 | H-var | 450.66-1~bpo10+1 sney |
| 19:36.21 | sney | there it is. |
| 19:36.24 | H-var | yeah |
| 19:36.40 | H-var | so it's okay to remove now? |
| 19:36.46 | sney | yep |
| 19:37.04 | sney | do you understand why? |
| 19:37.48 | H-var | because of dependencies, right? |
| 19:37.58 | H-var | also, libxnvctrl0 is from backports |
| 19:38.21 | sney | all of these nvidia components need to be the same version, or they can't work together. |
| 19:38.25 | H-var | but it depends on libc6 libx11-6 and libxext6 |
| 19:38.44 | H-var | yes sney. It makes sense :D |
| 19:39.10 | sney | instead of removing, you can do 'apt -t buster install packagename' and it'll install the 418 version over the existing one |
| 19:39.18 | H-var | how can I find all the packages which come from bpo10+1? |
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| 19:40.01 | sney | you shouldn't need to at this point. |
| 19:41.32 | H-var | great, nvidia-settings now installed successfully, probably meaning that all the packages are from the same source! |
| 19:41.37 | H-var | thank you, sney! |
| 19:41.39 | sney | np |
| 19:43.13 | H-var | now how can I save the settings? Every time I reboot I have to open nvidia-settings to stop the problems. |
| 19:43.25 | sney | no idea, look at the manual |
| 19:45.32 | H-var | where is X configuration file located on debian, sney? |
| 19:45.49 | sney | by default there isn't one, X autodetects everything |
| 19:46.03 | sney | you can put configuration snippets in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ if you *need* them |
| 19:46.06 | H-var | and if I want to save one, where do I put it? |
| 19:46.26 | sney | only configure the pieces you need, having a full xorg.conf is a bad idea in 2020 |
| 19:46.27 | H-var | thank you, and name doesn't matter? |
| 19:46.33 | sney | it needs to end in .conf |
| 19:46.52 | H-var | I will try because it doesn't work properly on reboot... |
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| 19:48.21 | H-var | now by the time you usually fix the issue, you forget why you were doing all of that in the first place :D |
| 19:49.13 | H-var | now steam just works |
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| 20:00.05 | H-var | thank you so much sney |
| 20:01.12 | sney | np |
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| 20:05.28 | H-var | steam has some kind of their own wine thing going on |
| 20:05.58 | H-var | which is really great! It's called "Proton 5.0-9" |
| 20:05.58 | sney | they do. it works well IME |
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| 20:25.08 | mason | I'll experiment with this, but I'm curious if there are any known caveats to the stuff described here: https://web.archive.org/web/20150301174152/http://linux.netapp.com/docs/debian/iscsi-sanboot-configuration-guide |
| 20:26.07 | mason | Or maybe more specifically, has anything changed substantially that matters. Either way, I'll give it a try and report back afterwards. |
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| 20:41.25 | Osirix | hello |
| 20:41.38 | sney | hi |
| 20:41.46 | RoyK | \o |
| 20:42.13 | Osirix | is mesa already installed in debian? i cant find it in the repositories |
| 20:43.31 | sney | ,i libgl1-mesa-glx |
| 20:43.33 | judd | Package libgl1-mesa-glx (libs, optional) in buster/amd64: transitional dummy package. Version: 18.3.6-2+deb10u1; Size: 46.3k; Installed: 64k; Homepage: https://mesa3d.org/ |
| 20:44.03 | sney | I guess they changed the package name, libglx-mesa0 |
| 20:44.23 | sney | if you can't find either of these packages on your system, your sources.list may be misconfigured |
| 20:45.03 | Osirix | i was looking for a different name. so in a new system if i dont install this package i want have 3d acceleration through opengl right? |
| 20:45.36 | sney | it will usually be pulled in as a recommend by a desktop metapackage, I believe |
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| 20:46.09 | Osirix | it is installed. probably because i chose lxde as desktop in netinstaller. |
| 20:46.23 | sney | sounds right. |
| 20:46.31 | sney | are you having trouble with video acceleration? |
| 20:47.13 | Osirix | although i had some problem with radeon firmware missing. i got this in dmesg: [ 4.222998] [drm:radeon_pci_probe [radeon]] *ERROR* radeon kernel modesetting for R600 or later requires firmware installed |
| 20:47.24 | sney | yep, there it is |
| 20:47.27 | sney | !amdgpu firmware |
| 20:47.27 | dpkg | Binary-only firmware for the amdgpu <DRM> driver is packaged for Debian as firmware-amd-graphics. Without this package installed, poor 2D/3D performance and/or missing video features are commonly experienced. To install, ask me about <non-free sources>, then install firmware-amd-graphics. |
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| 20:49.08 | sney | that package has the firmware for the legacy radeon and ati drivers as well. it will most likely fix your problem. |
| 20:50.38 | Osirix | maybe missing this: firmware-amd-graphics? i installed metapackage firmware-linux and it pulled that and some others. also installed xserver-xorg-video-radeon for the userspace part of the driver. will see if it works now |
| 20:51.29 | sney | wishes people rubber ducking would include a duck emoji or something, so he didn't waste time answering the question |
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| 20:57.52 | Osirix | yes i couldnt find mostly the package name for mesa. thank you though |
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| 21:09.41 | Franciman | Hi, what's best to use? dhclient or dhcpcd? |
| 21:09.54 | sney | !best |
| 21:09.55 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 21:10.11 | Franciman | best for avoiding bugs |
| 21:10.18 | Franciman | best for avoiding my damn network doesn't fail |
| 21:10.34 | sney | they both do the same thing, roughly. are you having a specific problem or taking a survey? |
| 21:11.14 | Franciman | ok, sney. I have this strange problem of wifi disconnection that is not detected even by network manager. I.e. network manger thinks I'm connected to wifi, but network does not work |
| 21:11.24 | Franciman | I thought, hey maybe there is some problem during dhcp IP renewal |
| 21:11.47 | sney | that would be logged. |
| 21:12.21 | sney | disconnects like the one you describe are most likely to be a hardware fault. |
| 21:12.45 | Franciman | hm ok makes sense |
| 21:13.03 | Franciman | I guess I gotta give up with debian |
| 21:13.49 | Franciman | sney, if it were a problem with the driver it would be logged, right? |
| 21:13.56 | Franciman | I mean, if the driver failed |
| 21:14.08 | sney | possibly, depending on the driver. |
| 21:14.23 | Franciman | ehe it's even non-free, it's ath10k |
| 21:14.25 | sney | some drivers have blackbox firmware components that keep everything secret |
| 21:14.34 | Franciman | damn you ath10k |
| 21:15.17 | sney | atheros's controllers are normally very good, so I would suspect that yours is defective somehow |
| 21:15.43 | Franciman | I have no idea |
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| 21:16.09 | Franciman | I used to have ubuntu and there it worked correctly |
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| 21:17.32 | sney | have you tried the kernel and firmware from buster-backports? there may be a bugfix for your driver there |
| 21:18.11 | Franciman | I tried just the firmware from buster-backports, and it was cringe |
| 21:18.17 | Franciman | it kept connecting and disconnecting |
| 21:18.21 | Franciman | maybe I also need to use the firmware |
| 21:18.35 | sney | newer firmware and newer kernels are usually recommended as a package deal, not just one or the other |
| 21:18.37 | Franciman | the kernel* |
| 21:19.08 | Franciman | hm ok thanks sney for this new hope. I don't want to give up to spyware and malware sponsored by Canonical^{EVIL} |
| 21:21.28 | Franciman | sorry, one question. In order to install the backported kernel, do I need to remove something? |
| 21:21.47 | Franciman | or is it enough to do apt install -t buster-backports linux-kernel firmware-atheros ? |
| 21:22.31 | sney | the package is linux-image-amd64, but otherwise that is enough |
| 21:22.35 | sney | you don't need to remove anything |
| 21:24.56 | Franciman | sney, do I also need to update firmware-linux-free? |
| 21:25.38 | H-var | an audio application runs with soundcard2 as the output source. I try to change it to soundcard1, but just nothing happens |
| 21:26.05 | sney | Franciman: nothing in there should be related, but it won't hurt if you want to |
| 21:26.28 | H-var | is there a terminal command to switch the output source for a specific application? |
| 21:26.53 | sney | H-var: that sounds like something pacmd could do, but you'd have to read the manual to be sure |
| 21:27.01 | Franciman | thanks |
| 21:27.11 | Franciman | well thanks a lot sney |
| 21:27.15 | H-var | thank you sney! |
| 21:27.19 | Franciman | I shall try with the new kernel / firmware |
| 21:27.21 | sney | np |
| 21:27.50 | Franciman | hope this works :') |
| 21:27.53 | Franciman | thanks a lot, really |
| 21:28.04 | Franciman | sorry if I've been a bit harsh, I was losing it :P |
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| 21:29.45 | H-var | oh wow, there's actually way more to the audio than it seems in here |
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| 21:30.28 | H-var | I just found "phonon" on my debian, and it's like you can select a specific sound card for anything you want. That's an overkill haha, but still so awesome! |
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| 22:03.56 | jelly | H-var, when an app is running you can open pavucontrol and route its output or input to any card/device/speaker you want; pulseaudio remembers where each app is supposed to sound out |
| 22:04.39 | jelly | sometimes when an audio sink disappears and reappears pulseaudio gets confused. pavucontrol tool will be useful. |
| 22:05.40 | jelly | H-var, however you only see apps in Playback tab when they're actually trying to play something right then |
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| 22:07.11 | azeem | my T470 gets stuck when I dock it right now, i.e. I can still move around the mouse pointer with the trackpad, but the screen is frozen otherwise and no keyboard input possible, extended display does not start etc. anybody know whether one can reset this somehow or do I need to reboot? |
| 22:07.32 | azeem | once I undock it (and the "undock sound" is played), it's running normally again |
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| 22:11.00 | jelly | does it fare better if the dock is connected at power-on or at unsuspend? |
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| 22:38.52 | azeem | jelly: no - at least not unsuspend; I haven't tried rebooting yet, but probably will have to do it |
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| 22:40.03 | azeem | when I unsuspend docked, I see the lock screen for a split-second and then the screen goes blank, until I undock it |
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| 22:56.56 | azeem | well I rebooted now, things are back to normal |
| 22:57.40 | H-var | "have you tried unplugging it, and plugging it back again?" :P |
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