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| 00:00.24 | buu | /dev/sda1 on /home/buu/foo type iso9660 (ro,relatime,nojoliet,check=s,map=n,blocksize=2048) |
| 00:00.31 | buu | ls: cannot access '/dev/sda1': No such file or directory |
| 00:00.33 | buu | ???? |
| 00:00.42 | H-var | currently at 300mb ram in xfce this thing is flying |
| 00:01.10 | buu | How the hell do I have a non existant thing mounted |
| 00:01.14 | H-var | as opposed to windows 7-8-10 - that was a very sad sight |
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| 00:02.22 | dvs | buu: and entry in /etc/fstab? |
| 00:02.48 | buu | nope |
| 00:02.54 | buu | umount -l apparently |
| 00:03.02 | buu | dvs: It was a removed usb disk |
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| 00:52.04 | alex11 | is there a way to "virtualize" electron applications (read: discord) so that they don't take an obscene amount of system resources? |
| 00:52.09 | alex11 | probably not but doesn't hurt to ask i guess |
| 00:53.18 | alex11 | now i understand why people want the ability to make 3rd party clients... |
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| 01:24.11 | H-var | I wasn't able to make the touchpad work |
| 01:24.26 | H-var | I installed all the drivers lol |
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| 01:30.55 | zykotick9 | On stable, I'm trying to move my Libvirt VMs off my root-SSD drive to a zfs partition. Apparmor is preventing any of the relocated VMs from running. I quasi-blindly tried adding the new path to /etc/apparmor.d/usr.lib.libvirt.virt-aa-helper, but even after a reboot no VMs launch. Does anyone know of any documentation regarding this libvirt issue specifically? I've started reading some of |
| 01:31.01 | zykotick9 | https://wiki.debian.org/AppArmor/ but thus far still feel a LONG way from a solution. |
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| 01:55.15 | H-var | lol plasmashell has just reached 98% of my 5ghz cpu and then crashed the window |
| 01:55.37 | H-var | how can I cleanly install xfce and uninstall kde guys? |
| 01:56.08 | H-var | is this a bad idea? Is it better to just go clean install instead? |
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| 01:58.40 | dvs | H-var: remove kde from a terminal |
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| 02:10.09 | H-var | it prompts to remove like a million of other packages |
| 02:10.13 | H-var | dvs |
| 02:10.21 | H-var | that's ok? |
| 02:10.29 | dvs | yes |
| 02:10.40 | dvs | !remove kde |
| 02:10.41 | dpkg | To remove or purge KDE: aptitude remove kdelibs-data kdelibs4c2a kdelibs5 kdelibs5-data libkdecore5. Use 'purge' instead of 'remove' if that's what you want (ask me about <purge>). |
| 02:11.25 | H-var | dvs and then how to install xfce? |
| 02:11.30 | H-var | !install xfce |
| 02:11.30 | dpkg | To install <Xfce> on established systems, ask me about <install x>, then: «apt-get install xfce4 xfce4-goodies». To install using Debian-Installer (if not using Xfce CD-1): from the 'Software selection' dialog, choose "Xfce" (use space bar to toggle selections), then "Continue"; an Internet connection may be required to obtain these packages. |
| 02:11.42 | H-var | !install x |
| 02:11.43 | dpkg | To install X in Debian: "aptitude update && aptitude install xorg". You may also want to install a desktop environment - ask me about <install gnome>, <install kde>, <install xfce>, <install lxde> - or a window manager, ask me about <window manager>. To configure your X server, ask me about <xorg config>. |
| 02:12.39 | H-var | dvs is it better to just do a clean install instead, or it's safe to remove kde and then install xfce? |
| 02:13.10 | dvs | H-var: reinstalling from scratch is always a last resort. |
| 02:13.19 | H-var | okay |
| 02:13.43 | H-var | am I going to lose the graphical interface somewhere in the middle of all this? |
| 02:14.21 | dvs | H-var: yes, that's why you do it from a main terminal (i.e. Ctrl-Alt-F1) |
| 02:14.30 | H-var | !purge |
| 02:14.31 | dpkg | "purge" means to completely wipe away a package, including its configuration files. Use «aptitude purge $package» or «dpkg -P $package» To purge all "removed" packages: «aptitude purge '~c'». To restore configuration files, ask me about <confmiss>. Also ask me about <why aptitude>. |
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| 02:31.17 | H-var0 | I did aptitude purge kde-full |
| 02:31.40 | dvs | !remove kde |
| 02:31.41 | dpkg | To remove or purge KDE: aptitude remove kdelibs-data kdelibs4c2a kdelibs5 kdelibs5-data libkdecore5. Use 'purge' instead of 'remove' if that's what you want (ask me about <purge>). |
| 02:31.41 | H-var0 | because here the bot's instructions caused errors (outdated instructions?) |
| 02:32.36 | H-var0 | but I can still see /usr/bin/plasmashell |
| 02:32.48 | H-var0 | I need to completely reboot? |
| 02:33.15 | dvs | shouldn't have to |
| 02:33.44 | H-var0 | I think I have to because plasmashell is still there |
| 02:33.52 | H-var0 | not everything was uninstalled? |
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| 02:34.33 | H-var0 | what's missing? |
| 02:34.40 | dvs | H-var0: if you are still in KDE GUI then you can't uninstall everything. |
| 02:34.42 | H-var0 | why /usr/bin/plasmashell is still running? |
| 02:35.04 | H-var0 | dvs I did ctrl+alt+f1 and uninstalled from there |
| 02:35.28 | dvs | Did you remove all the packages from !remove kde ? |
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| 02:35.48 | genr8_ | did you actually log out before you pushed Ctrl Alt F1 ? |
| 02:35.57 | dvs | oh, good point |
| 02:36.24 | H-var0 | it logs out automatically |
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| 02:36.34 | genr8_ | nope |
| 02:36.37 | H-var0 | cuz I was prompted to re-enter the login details |
| 02:36.47 | genr8_ | thats multiple logins not a log out |
| 02:37.43 | H-var0 | should've told me that before lol |
| 02:37.48 | dvs | H-var0: my bad |
| 02:38.02 | dvs | H-var0: Press Alt-F7 and logout |
| 02:38.06 | H-var0 | sounds vaguely important :D |
| 02:38.07 | genr8_ | KDE was still running on TTY7, you had to log out first to get dumped back to the greeter |
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| 02:40.21 | themill | those instructions from dpkg look like they're for KDE 4... so some years out of date |
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| 02:44.22 | H-var | lol omg! it's back!!! |
| 02:44.30 | H-var | I rebooted and the whole kde is back! |
| 02:44.39 | H-var | but I saw all the packages removed |
| 02:44.47 | H-var | it's all back))) |
| 02:44.58 | dvs | not all because they were still running. |
| 02:45.13 | dvs | kde-full is a virtual package. |
| 02:45.23 | H-var | ok so logout |
| 02:45.32 | dvs | log out of GUI |
| 02:45.33 | H-var | and then only then ctrl alt f1? |
| 02:45.41 | dvs | yes |
| 02:45.42 | H-var | and then the usual stuff |
| 02:45.47 | H-var | ok |
| 02:45.50 | H-var | :D |
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| 21:16.28 | sney | gry: last time chess software was discussed here, there were java issues and/or license issues with the popular stuff, iirc. |
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| 21:17.09 | echoSMILE | What's the state of server packages for arm arch ? |
| 21:19.09 | sney | echoSMILE: debian has armel, armhf, and arm64 as supported arches, what are you looking for specifically? |
| 21:20.27 | Matrox | how can i clear my pbuilder base.tar.gz environment? |
| 21:20.31 | Matrox | i just did a failed build |
| 21:20.56 | jrtc27 | I think you misunderstand how pbuilder works |
| 21:21.07 | jrtc27 | every build unpacks base.tar.gz to a new directory |
| 21:21.11 | Unit193 | sney: It was removed then re-added, actually. |
| 21:21.23 | jrtc27 | during no part of the build process is base.tar.gz updated |
| 21:21.37 | sney | Unit193: with an upstream fully dead since 2010? I'm gonna take a cue from greycat here and *plonk* |
| 21:21.47 | jrtc27 | so the fact that you had a failed build is irrelevant |
| 21:22.13 | echoSMILE | sney: so, any package works ? |
| 21:22.49 | sney | echoSMILE: IDFMA. what are you trying to do with debian on arm? |
| 21:22.58 | Unit193 | With pbuilder, it's common to have a hook that runs apt update, at least. |
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| 21:23.24 | s_ | please forgive is this is not a #debian question --- is there a way to make it so that users log into a chrooted system and shell wrapped in cgroups? |
| 21:23.43 | echoSMILE | sney: thinking to get an arm SoC |
| 21:24.21 | Matrox | jrtc27, oh i see thanks |
| 21:25.05 | Matrox | jrtc27, by the way i deleted /var/cache/pbuilder and now i cant create a new base.tar.gz. should i mkdir /var/cache/pbuilder? |
| 21:25.06 | sney | echoSMILE: ah. yes, almost all software in debian is installable on arm. |
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| 21:25.20 | Franciman | it's been nice to be on debian, unfortunately I'll have to part, thanks for all the free software moments good and bad :') |
| 21:25.26 | Franciman | I hope I'll be back one day |
| 21:25.37 | sney | echoSMILE: some rpi-specific images are hosted semi-officially by a debian developer. I have had good results with Odroid arm64 boards in the past as well. |
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| 21:28.20 | jrtc27 | Matrox: yeah don't delete directories you didn't create |
| 21:28.27 | jrtc27 | so yes, put it back |
| 21:28.28 | jrtc27 | drwxr-xr-x 10 root root 4096 Jan 23 2019 /var/cache/pbuilder |
| 21:28.46 | Matrox | jrtc27, do i need to create also subdirectories? |
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| 21:29.30 | jrtc27 | yes |
| 21:29.47 | jrtc27 | see `dpkg -L pbuilder | grep /var/cache/pbuilder` for all the files/directories you just wiped out |
| 21:30.12 | jrtc27 | (all drwxr-xr-x and owned by root:root though so not too painful to recreate) |
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| 21:31.23 | Matrox | oh i see. dpkg -L is handy |
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| 21:32.53 | Matrox | by the way, when i do apt-get dist-upgrade, can this pull new versions of linux kernel? (some distros avoid giving you new kernels through the update, and you have to install them manually, or they just give minor revisions for security fixes) |
| 21:32.56 | sney | s_: I think I read something about doing a similar thing in a systemd blog series, so #systemd might be the right place to ask |
| 21:33.34 | sney | Matrox: if you have the linux-image-amd64 metapackage installed, kernel upgrades will be installed along with the rest of your package updates |
| 21:33.59 | sney | debian's policy controls what kernel versions these are; if you're looking for something newer than the 4.19.x in buster, look at buster-backports |
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| 21:41.13 | Matrox | sney, so it only gets automatically minor versions of the same main version |
| 21:41.52 | jrtc27 | no |
| 21:42.07 | sney | that's part of the definition of "stable" |
| 21:42.08 | jrtc27 | it automatically gets whatever the latest kernel is for your release |
| 21:42.23 | jrtc27 | but for stable that will only ever be minor updates, because that's all that gets released to stable |
| 21:42.52 | Matrox | oh i see |
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| 21:45.18 | Matrox | by the way when i install openssh-server it automatically pulls openssh-sftp-server |
| 21:45.29 | Matrox | how is that a dependency? i dont even use sftp |
| 21:45.49 | sney | it's part of the same source |
| 21:46.02 | sney | you can disable it in sshd_config if you need to |
| 21:46.06 | Matrox | why is it split then into two packages? |
| 21:46.15 | Matrox | seems i cant get only one of them |
| 21:46.18 | sponix2ipfw | Matrox: sshd provides sftpd in the same binary |
| 21:46.48 | sponix2ipfw | Matrox: they did it that way for ME :) |
| 21:48.02 | Matrox | well over #openssh, when i asked them about that, they told me debian packagers are insane |
| 21:48.03 | Matrox | so |
| 21:48.05 | Matrox | :D |
| 21:50.16 | echoSMILE | sney: odroid seems nice to have nice devices. are they safe to use ? |
| 21:50.20 | asterismo | any comments on the kernel size? |
| 21:50.22 | greycat | they're not wrong |
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| 21:51.28 | sney | Matrox: according to the openssh changelog, it was "split ... into its own package to allow it to also be used by other SSH server implementations like dropbear", and references #504290 |
| 21:51.29 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/504290 in openssh-server (closed, patch): «openssh-server: The sftp-server binary should have its own package»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2008-11-02; last modified: 2014-04-04. |
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| 21:55.20 | Iridos | Matrox, package description itself of the sftp one also mentions that it works with other server implementations⦠|
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| 21:57.01 | greycat | I guess that's a pretty good excuse. |
| 21:59.06 | Matrox | oh i see. |
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| 22:08.33 | lle-bout | hello, is networking always up in initramfs at local-bottom phase documented here: https://manpages.debian.org/buster/initramfs-tools-core/initramfs-tools.7.en.html ? How can we do to require networking in a boot script without particularly having any NFS share configured? |
| 22:09.14 | greycat | If you want to use NFS, you won't be working in initramfs land. You'll be working in regular boot land. |
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| 22:13.25 | unixbsd | thank you. guvcview was great to record video + sound. however, vids are bit laggy but it works. |
| 22:14.22 | unixbsd | Would you know maybe a software that is a movie viewer on free, archive.org website? there are tons of movies, old of course, but still. It would be cool to have a gtk viewer. |
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| 22:16.40 | unixbsd | *to use mplayer. |
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| 22:22.57 | lle-bout | greycat: I do not want to do anything with NFS |
| 22:23.16 | lle-bout | I say this because there's an nfs-bottom phase |
| 22:23.24 | lle-bout | That has networking |
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| 22:35.48 | lle-bout | greycat: it seems that there's a configure_networking function for initramfs scripts - as used by https://packages.debian.org/buster/all/dropbear-initramfs/filelist |
| 22:35.55 | lle-bout | so that solves my problem |
| 22:35.58 | lle-bout | thanks |
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| 23:13.17 | Matrox | i just did some modifications to openssh source package and bumped the version (so it doesnt get overwritten in dist-upgrade). can i just install now openssh-server on my system or do i also need to install the new version of openssh-sftp and openssh-client as well? |
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| 23:54.01 | Matrox | how can i tell dpkg -i to keep old configuration files, non-interactively? |
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| 23:55.14 | themill | !confold |
| 23:55.14 | dpkg | [confold] dpkg --force-confold will force dpkg to ignore any new versions of <conffiles> in packages, e.g. «apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confold" upgrade». Note that by ignoring changes to conffiles, you may miss out important changes and packages may be left in a non-working state afterwards. |
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| 23:57.23 | Matrox | dpkg --force-confold -i package1.deb package2.deb |
| 23:57.23 | dpkg | Matrox: I don't know, could you explain it? |
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