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| 00:13.03 | Matrox | can i use kernel live patching, to reload a whole new kernel without rebooting? |
| 00:21.24 | H-var | guys games won't run on my pc in debian. I see people talking how all those steam games running smoothly on their pcs, but on mine barely few are running. Everything won't even start. |
| 00:21.39 | H-var | can anyone help me out? |
| 00:22.30 | sponix | H-var: if you could be a little more vague, that would be Great |
| 00:23.03 | H-var | I'm really a newbie in linux, if you tell me what to send, I'll try to send, or share |
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| 00:24.05 | jmcnaught | H-var: start with non-Steam games available in Debian, see if those work. 0ad for example. |
| 00:24.17 | H-var | yes, those do work |
| 00:24.30 | sponix | H-var: post the provided *LINK* from this terminal command: inxi -Fxxxrzc0 | nc termbin.com 9999 |
| 00:24.45 | sponix | H-var: link should look something like termbin.com/xyz4 |
| 00:24.53 | H-var | what's the most problematic game on debian right now, that doesn't work on some pcs, or the most heavy on the hardware? |
| 00:25.45 | jmcnaught | remembers when URLs had started with the scheme. |
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| 00:29.09 | p0lp0 | how can i tell which update broke lxqt's login prompt? |
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| 00:31.22 | H-var | https://termbin.com/vs1w |
| 00:31.24 | p0lp0 | when i try to log in at the console, it does nothing |
| 00:31.40 | H-var | here's the link guys |
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| 00:32.56 | jmcnaught | p0lp0: /var/log/apt/history.log would be one place to start. Which release of Debian are you using? |
| 00:33.03 | p0lp0 | 10 |
| 00:33.41 | jmcnaught | Have you installed any software that was not from Debian's APT archives? |
| 00:33.57 | p0lp0 | jmcnaught nope, i haven't. |
| 00:34.42 | jmcnaught | p0lp0: are you able to log in on the virtual console? (Ctrl+Alt+F3 for example) |
| 00:34.48 | p0lp0 | jmcnaught im only assuming a package upgrade might have done itt, though i'm not sure. i can't think of anything else |
| 00:35.43 | p0lp0 | jmcnaught yes i can log into the terminal |
| 00:36.05 | p0lp0 | jmcnaught just did. |
| 00:37.47 | p0lp0 | jmcnaught on a whim i just tried to run startx from the prompt and it seems to have loaded the lxqt start menu |
| 00:38.15 | p0lp0 | i got no login prompt though, and seems they keyboard / mouse aren't response |
| 00:38.20 | p0lp0 | *responsive |
| 00:39.20 | jmcnaught | p0lp0: I would start looking in the system journal, and the one for your user: "journalctl" (as root) and "journalctl --user" (not as root). |
| 00:41.47 | jmcnaught | p0lp0: also look at Xorg.0.log, it might be in ~/.local/share/xorg/ or in /var/log. |
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| 00:43.22 | p0lp0 | jmcnaught i don't see anything in the journal as far as i Can tell |
| 00:43.37 | Josya | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:44.23 | jmcnaught | !termbin |
| 00:44.23 | dpkg | you can paste to termbin.com from terminal via: cat /path/to/file | nc termbin.com 9999 |
| 00:44.44 | jmcnaught | p0lp0: you can share the logs with this above if you want some help looking for errors |
| 00:45.18 | p0lp0 | sure |
| 00:47.12 | p0lp0 | Xorg.0.log - https://termbin.com/vxae |
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| 00:48.38 | jmcnaught | The only error I see in this log (lines starting with '(EE)') is: [ 18234.247] (EE) Failed to open authorization file "/var/run/sddm/{bb5e260d-fbf7-4a5c-9182-ba1d13874145}": No such file or directory |
| 00:49.09 | p0lp0 | i couldn't find anything out there to tell me what that means |
| 00:50.36 | jmcnaught | Can another user log in normally? Create a test user if you need to, you can delete it later. |
| 00:51.03 | p0lp0 | haven't tested this honestly |
| 00:51.22 | p0lp0 | not sure how to get back to the login prompt though |
| 00:51.52 | jmcnaught | p0lp0: it is probably on tty1 (Ctrl+Alt+F1) |
| 00:52.29 | p0lp0 | i'm apparently on that one already |
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| 00:52.49 | p0lp0 | because when i hit those keys nothing happens but when i do +F2 i get a new prompt |
| 00:53.04 | p0lp0 | F3 has the broken-looking lxqt on it |
| 00:53.12 | p0lp0 | perhaps i need to kill this one? |
| 00:54.11 | jmcnaught | Maybe your display manager (graphical login) is on tty7? |
| 00:54.25 | p0lp0 | jmcnaught correct!! |
| 00:54.31 | p0lp0 | there it is. still hung up from last time |
| 00:55.12 | jmcnaught | p0lp0: "systemctl restart sddm" (as root) should restart it. |
| 00:55.41 | H-var | I sent the command to the terminal, and placed the link into the chat prompt |
| 00:55.57 | p0lp0 | jmcnaught that did it. i was able to log in as a different user |
| 00:56.44 | jmcnaught | p0lp0: well that is good news, and narrows it down to something in your user's home directory. |
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| 00:57.27 | leoni | I've eaten so much, I feel dizzy. |
| 00:58.46 | p0lp0 | jmcnaught i see a file from today in there called .xsession-errors |
| 00:59.18 | H-var | please mention my name, if anyone will write to me to help me with games not starting up on debian 10 |
| 00:59.48 | jmcnaught | p0lp0: any errors there? |
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| 01:02.57 | p0lp0 | jmcnaught lots of these - Warning: QVariant: : save: unable to save type 'QD8usArgument' (type id: 1034) . |
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| 01:04.33 | sponix | I don't think he knows this isn't Discord -- you can't just leave and come back later to see the replies :) |
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| 01:04.58 | sponix | h-var_: welcome back |
| 01:05.08 | h-var_ | hi i tried irssi |
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| 01:05.41 | h-var_ | this terminal based irc client makes me wanna say "I'm in" every time I login haha |
| 01:06.40 | h-var_ | sponix did you see my link? |
| 01:06.58 | p0lp0 | jmcnaught is there anything sensitive in this xsession-errors logfile? |
| 01:07.11 | sponix | h-var_: Yes, I saw the link -- your hardware looks fine, and your GPU driver support seems to be in place |
| 01:07.22 | sponix | h-var_: you have steam installed and working ? |
| 01:07.34 | h-var_ | yes, it's all good on that part, I don't get it |
| 01:07.46 | jmcnaught | p0lp0: warnings can generally be ignored |
| 01:08.03 | h-var_ | yes, steam is working, and some titles do too, but for example Alien: isolation is not working |
| 01:08.51 | h-var_ | hitman (the new one from 2018 which requires powerful hardware) is working too no issues |
| 01:08.54 | sponix | h-var_: See if "Team Fortress 2", "Dota 2", "Iron Snout", CSGO -- see if all of those play. They are Linux natives |
| 01:09.13 | h-var_ | but then there arre many which are claiming to be compatible natively are not even starting up |
| 01:09.18 | sponix | h-var_: Hitman is also native if my memory serves me :) |
| 01:09.28 | p0lp0 | jmcnaught i see some errors like these: https://tucanos.org/zerobin/?04a6b46f13602b87#CPjJzRm3wJhAzd8WY5AibkoFEJw71gZR2H6sQycDaMEs |
| 01:09.42 | sponix | h-var_: Give me the names of a few of those that claim to be Linux Native that aren't working |
| 01:10.35 | jmcnaught | p0lp0: I have javascript disabled for links from IRC so that paste site does not work for me. |
| 01:10.44 | sponix | h-var_: Free Ones if possible |
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| 01:14.18 | p0lp0 | jmcnaught - https://termbin.com/7otb |
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| 01:14.22 | p0lp0 | there's the log |
| 01:15.47 | h-var_ | okay, let's try to work with Alien Isolation because this one works on everyone's pc |
| 01:16.14 | h-var_ | do you have alien isolation sponix? |
| 01:16.37 | sponix | h-var_: no, but I can look it up -- Is it free ? |
| 01:16.56 | h-var_ | it depends :) |
| 01:17.02 | h-var_ | for me it wasn't :P |
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| 01:17.59 | sponix | h-var_: Yeah its priced at $40 USD right now. So that isn't going to happen for me. And I'm not getting a non-legit copy for this demonstration |
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| 01:19.50 | jmcnaught | p0lp0: here, this paste is a selection from your .xsession-errors paste that starts at the start of a login. "xrdb: Resource temporarily unavailable" and "xrdb: Can't open display ':0'" look like they could be relevant. |
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| 01:20.15 | sponix | h-var_: Try "War Thunder" |
| 01:20.29 | jmcnaught | p0lp0: is your user the owner of its "~/.Xauthority" file? |
| 01:20.32 | sponix | h-var_: It is Free, good graphics, and still low system requirements |
| 01:21.35 | p0lp0 | root owns it |
| 01:23.24 | jmcnaught | p0lp0: the user should own that file, also .ICEauthority if it exists. |
| 01:23.45 | p0lp0 | .ICEauthority does not |
| 01:23.53 | sponix | jmcnaught: normally that takes place when the user does like "sudo startx" or "startx" as root itself |
| 01:24.31 | jmcnaught | p0lp0: after changing the ownership of that file is your normal user able to log in? |
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| 01:28.28 | p0lp0 | jmcnaught it worked! im back in. no desktop background though |
| 01:29.48 | jmcnaught | p0lp0: nice! as spónix was saying the reason this happened in the first place is probably related to using sudo and X. |
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| 01:30.53 | h-var_ | sponix I'm running out of space somehow after I restarted steam. You know what - I enabled "enable proton for all titles, even those which do not support linux" and suddenly now almost all games are working, sponix |
| 01:31.03 | h-var_ | almost all except alien isolation |
| 01:31.05 | p0lp0 | jmcnaught i did a sudo startx today but have been blocked from signin for a few days, and definitely didn't do it before |
| 01:31.15 | p0lp0 | sponix thank you also! |
| 01:31.25 | h-var_ | I think steam suddenly started downloading all games without me even asking for it |
| 01:31.44 | sponix | h-var_: LOL -- Okay well you have fun with that |
| 01:33.57 | alex11 | i probably wouldn't use sudo with startx |
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| 01:34.27 | alex11 | unless i'm wrong about this specific situation |
| 01:37.34 | p0lp0 | alex11 its a bad idea. i live as a warning to others |
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| 02:29.39 | maxrazer | I'm trying to setup the winehq repository and I'm getting an error from apt update that the repository is not signed. Does anyone know what is going on? I copied the gpg file to the trusted folder and have a matching list file in the list folder. I don't fully understand a signed gpg file. Is it possible that the gpg filed provided is not signed? |
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| 02:30.51 | sponix | maxrazer: you should take out that repo |
| 02:31.25 | sponix | maxrazer: then follow the Mint guidance for wine installation in the Release Notes... After that, you can think about putting the repo back to update to the latest version :) |
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| 02:31.57 | RoyK | maxrazer: apt-key add <url-to-key> if you want to trust it |
| 02:32.30 | maxrazer | RoyK, Also, the apt-key is deprecated I am warned. I added the key, but it does not work. I'll check the mint instructions. The debian instructions didn't work. |
| 02:33.33 | sponix | maxrazer: likely because you aren't using Debian :) |
| 02:33.50 | maxrazer | I am using Debian. |
| 02:34.01 | sponix | maxrazer: LMDE ? |
| 02:34.18 | maxrazer | No, I'm using Debian. |
| 02:34.27 | sponix | LOL |
| 02:34.34 | sponix | Sorry.... It is me that is confused |
| 02:34.47 | maxrazer | There are no mint instructions at winehq. There is Ubuntu. |
| 02:35.04 | sponix | maxrazer: disregard my prior statements... all of them :) |
| 02:35.16 | sponix | maxrazer: Link me to the Document you are attempting to follow - Please |
| 02:35.24 | maxrazer | https://wiki.winehq.org/Debian |
| 02:38.10 | maxrazer | RoyK said not to use that repository though. And, I probably don't need to I guess. Lutris is supplying wine version 5.7. Debian is supplying version 5.5 and Proton has version 5.13 from July. I think the latest is 5.19 from October. |
| 02:38.45 | sponix | ,v wine |
| 02:38.46 | judd | Package: wine on amd64 -- jessie: 1.6.2-20; stretch: 1.8.7-2; stretch-backports: 4.0-2~bpo9+1; buster: 4.0-2; bullseye: 5.0-4; sid: 5.0-4 |
| 02:39.16 | maxrazer | wine64-development package is 5.5, wine (stable) is 5.0 |
| 02:39.24 | sponix | Debian repo itself should only be supplying version 4.0 if using Buster stable ( Debian 10) |
| 02:39.39 | maxrazer | I'm using debian-next repository. |
| 02:40.18 | sponix | maxrazer: Oh... well read the topic here, and try the #Debian-Next chat room then :) |
| 02:40.25 | maxrazer | There are big enhacements for version 5.1 and newer recent stuff this year from games. however, it looks like Lutris packages version 5.7 with it. they call it wine version lutris-5.7 |
| 02:40.31 | maxrazer | bah |
| 02:40.31 | sponix | its on a different network |
| 02:40.50 | maxrazer | But, the whole not signed key thing I think is a general issue. |
| 02:40.59 | maxrazer | To understand |
| 02:41.15 | sponix | maxrazer: when you "apt update" does it spit out what key you need at add ? |
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| 02:41.42 | maxrazer | 'https://dl.winehq.org/wine-builds/debian bullseye InRelease' is not signed |
| 02:41.44 | sponix | If so google the apt-key add blah string, and put that Key string in with it -- BAM |
| 02:42.09 | maxrazer | I added the .gpg file (key) to the trusted sources folder it has a matching name to the .list file |
| 02:42.32 | maxrazer | I'm not totally sure how that works, but it seems to be how all the other gpg and list files work in apt |
| 02:42.40 | sponix | maxrazer: when you "apt update" to you get any ERRORS ? |
| 02:42.53 | maxrazer | yes, it is an "E" for error. |
| 02:43.18 | sponix | maxrazer: what do you get when you: apt-cache madison wine |
| 02:43.20 | maxrazer | It is telling me that the repository I added (in the list file) is not signed. |
| 02:43.50 | maxrazer | I get info about wine 5.0-4 (wine stable) |
| 02:44.10 | maxrazer | I have wine stable and wine development both installed though. |
| 02:44.32 | maxrazer | I can do apt-cache madison wine-development and get info about wine 5.5-5 |
| 02:44.48 | maxrazer | both show amd64 and i386 sources. |
| 02:45.27 | sponix | maxrazer: I'm at a loss |
| 02:45.56 | maxrazer | Lutris seems to work well for my needs. But I don't get this unsigned key thing. I read the man file and it seems to suggest a key file can be supplied but not signed in addition to just not having a key file. |
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| 02:46.37 | maxrazer | So, the error doesn't necessarily mean it isn't finding the key file, but that the key is just not signed, which I don't fully understand. |
| 02:48.16 | sponix | maxrazer: do you get butt hurt easily ? |
| 02:48.35 | maxrazer | I'm not sure I understand. |
| 02:49.05 | maxrazer | Does that mean do I not like to be stumped with a problem and don't want to give up? |
| 02:49.29 | sponix | maxrazer: why are you on Bullseye ? |
| 02:49.55 | maxrazer | Newer packages? |
| 02:52.14 | sponix | that is very important to you ? |
| 02:52.49 | maxrazer | Yeah, I think so. I've had stuff I wanted before or ran into issues with outdated libraries. |
| 02:53.02 | maxrazer | When trying to build something. |
| 02:53.18 | maxrazer | So, even if it isn't the rep I need to be able to build it. |
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| 02:54.18 | maxrazer | There might be a way to get all those library dependancies local somehow just for a build and that would work, not sure. Or another solution. |
| 02:55.28 | sponix | maxrazer: I recommend you surf the website Distrowatch.com when bored. There might be a better fit for you than Unstable Debian |
| 02:56.27 | maxrazer | well technically I use Siduction. which is mostly just using the Debian unstable repos. |
| 02:56.46 | maxrazer | I get the latex linux kernels too. I'm not sure if debian unstable does that. |
| 02:56.52 | maxrazer | latest linux kernels |
| 02:57.33 | maxrazer | But my repos point to debian. |
| 02:58.09 | maxrazer | apt sources point to debian. |
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| 02:59.13 | crestfallen | hi is there an equivalent of terminator for mac OSX ? |
| 02:59.54 | sponix | !frankendebian |
| 02:59.54 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. Ask me about <reinstall> |
| 03:00.03 | sponix | maxrazer: you fall in this category then :) |
| 03:00.29 | sponix | crestfallen: ask Google |
| 03:00.58 | sponix | crestfallen: there is also a website called "alternative.to" that you can put in the search string or surf the site itself |
| 03:01.00 | maxrazer | I don't think it has anything to do with that. I think it is an issue of correctly signed keys or something. |
| 03:02.20 | crestfallen | sponix: checking that thanks |
| 03:03.54 | budlight | hi |
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| 04:30.33 | willow | is swap needed for an nvme SSD? i've read that it isn't but still not totally sure |
| 04:32.17 | sponix | willow: what OS ? what tasks ? and How much real Ram ? |
| 04:32.30 | willow | i may also be testing kubernetes and to run it on "bare metal" which I think just means installing kubeadm directly on a machine instead of into a dedicated VM it requires swap to be disabled |
| 04:32.41 | sponix | notices he is in #Debian again |
| 04:32.51 | willow | sponix: LOL yes Debian of course ;-) |
| 04:33.15 | sponix | willow: I got crossed up and thought I was in a Linux Mint support chat with a fellow a few minutes ago LOL |
| 04:33.24 | willow | RAM currently is only 8GB which I know is a bit low. eventually do plan to go to 32 |
| 04:33.57 | willow | 64-bit IBM-compatible PC computer ;-) |
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| 04:34.43 | sponix | willow: with that I would go 8GB of Swap also, because you might actually bump the limit of your actual ram |
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| 04:37.54 | genr8_ | Wow that sucked. I borked all my permissions and I had to boot into a live USB like 7 times to fix it, and its still not fixed properly |
| 04:39.14 | genr8_ | theres a ton of quirks that make it terrible to fix |
| 04:40.28 | sponix | genr8_: sounds like a fresh install is in order -- to me :) |
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| 04:42.13 | genr8_ | i dont give up easy |
| 04:44.43 | genr8_ | it would take longer to get everything back to normal than it would to fix what broke |
| 04:47.09 | genr8_ | I was having terrible luck with rescue CD's also. i forgot how to get into the good rescue mode |
| 04:47.45 | sponix | people use CD's ? |
| 04:47.51 | genr8_ | debian-live-10.3.0-amd64-standard.iso just dumps me to a text console login, or clicking graphical install just takes me to a d-i installer for re-installing. |
| 04:48.10 | genr8_ | USB |
| 04:49.15 | genr8_ | then I finally got debian-live-10.3.0-amd64-cinnamon.iso LiveCD going, but that didnt have LVM2 installed for accessing my disk |
| 04:51.18 | sponix | you are just special needs all the way around LOL |
| 04:51.24 | genr8_ | then I fixed stuff enough to boot, but "rescue mode" from my own disk was broken because I had disabled my root account with no password. and /usr/bin/sudo was broken because there was no setUID bit set. |
| 04:52.05 | jelly | willow: I think at least some builds of k8s check that you have swap disabled before installing |
| 04:52.39 | sponix | jelly: awww.. I don't know anything about that container type |
| 04:52.45 | genr8_ | so i finally handled all that, but sudo was still broken because /usr/lib/sudo/* had .so's that were root/root 775 instead of 755. and it complained enough to not work. |
| 04:53.51 | genr8_ | then I realized chmod has a --reference command to source permissions from a backup dir. So i mounted my backup and matched the permissions. but that overwrote all the SUID bits I had just fixed.... |
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| 04:54.48 | sponix | genr8_: Yeah, when I was a Teen there was this guy with the nick of Lithium -- can't remember what network, but he would comb over his whole fs locking down each file and directory as tight as it would go. To the point half of the time he couldn't complete any major tasks without tweaks anymore :P |
| 04:55.17 | jelly | genr8_: first run chown --reference, then run chmod --reference |
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| 04:58.09 | genr8_ | jelly, i didnt muck up the ownership though |
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| 05:04.51 | jelly | chmod on its own should not have mangled suid/sgid bits |
| 05:05.37 | jelly | assuming the backups had them right |
| 05:06.14 | genr8_ | yeah that did not make sense to me either. |
| 05:06.34 | genr8_ | let me try it again for a test |
| 05:08.42 | genr8_ | weird. it works on 1 file at a time.. maybe somethin with the "chmod -R --reference=sourcedir targetdir" doesnt actually work like that |
| 05:10.50 | genr8_ | yep. thats the difference. |
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| 05:13.02 | genr8_ | yeah so --reference and -R dont work together. reference=1 permission, and -R bulk applies that 1 permission to everything |
| 05:13.11 | genr8_ | FAIL |
| 05:16.34 | genr8_ | also weird, chmodding new perms doesnt overwrite the SUID bit on directories, only files. you have to explicitly twiddle the SUID bit on dirs. it says that in the man page though. |
| 05:19.47 | genr8_ | maybe rsync can just copy the perms |
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| 05:58.35 | syntax_ | Anyone know if there's something going on with OFTC? Trying to connect to join the #debian-academy channel, but can't connect, getting: "Connection failed (Network is unreachable)" |
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| 06:00.15 | willow | syntax_: what url are you trying to connect to? |
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| 06:00.47 | willow | you should use irc.oftc.net and not a mirror |
| 06:01.34 | syntax_ | That's what I've always used: "Connecting to irc.geo.oftc.net (81.18.73.124:6667" |
| 06:01.52 | willow | genr8_: chmod 4755 <file> |
| 06:02.23 | willow | connects fine for me |
| 06:03.10 | syntax_ | Could my VPN be the issue? It's never been a problem before though. |
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| 06:03.32 | syntax_ | Some trial and error is in order |
| 06:03.53 | willow | irc.oftc.net/6697 |
| 06:04.06 | willow | using SSL |
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| 06:16.35 | genr8_ | I just noticed timeshift does not play nicely with logs that have been logrotated to the next number down |
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| 06:23.21 | syntax_ | it was indeed my VPN. Now connect to OFTC |
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| 07:32.21 | genr8_ | find /brokenpermissionspath/ -print0 | xargs -0 -I {} chmod --reference=/backuppermissionspath{} {} |
| 07:32.39 | genr8_ | that worked luckily. |
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| 07:40.23 | genr8_ | the whole reason I got into this mess was a find -exec chmod 600 command that I scripted wrong, and it went ham all over my /usr/. It ended up obliterating all executables, so nothing would run then stopped itself, but it was still disastrous. |
| 07:41.17 | genr8_ | I think its fixed |
| 07:42.44 | rk4 | damn thats hard to fix |
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| 07:43.37 | genr8_ | it was bad. luckily i had a backup |
| 07:43.38 | fling | genr8_: you will need something like `emerge -ak /usr` |
| 07:44.09 | fling | can use binary packages from your backup if not using buildpkg feature |
| 07:44.36 | genr8_ | i needed to know this 5 hours ago :/ lol. im not familiar with this emerge |
| 07:45.08 | fling | my work here is done! |
| 07:45.26 | genr8_ | oh thats gentoo |
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| 07:51.33 | genr8_ | I discovered theres a way to make a backup of only the chown/chmod metadata |
| 07:51.46 | genr8_ | find / \( -fprintf /root/every-file-ever.txt '%#m %u %g %p\n' \) |
| 07:52.24 | genr8_ | ends up with a gigantic file of: 01777 root root /tmp/blah |
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| 07:53.40 | genr8_ | woulda been nice if i was using a transactional filesystem so i could just roll back |
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| 07:54.16 | genr8_ | failing at this stuff makes me feel inadequate |
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| 07:56.47 | grumpyfashion | I am trying to chown -R nfs mount, but there are some read-only paths on the way. How could I skip them and instead chown only the non-readonly ones? |
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| 08:09.05 | willow | grumpyfashion: use 'find' - do a match to exclude permissions you want to skip, then use -exec switch with chown |
| 08:09.07 | genr8_ | probably some kind of "find /nfs -exec chown new:new {} +" |
| 08:09.59 | genr8_ | even if they are read only, it will just print a lot of spam, not exit out |
| 08:12.28 | genr8_ | thats how i just got myself into trouble though. I thought i coded find to exclude stuff, but I failed. Its probably best if you don't exec until you're sure the list of what find finds is matching properly |
| 08:13.08 | grumpyfashion | thanks, I guess find is ok, but the performance will suffer |
| 08:14.35 | genr8_ | no other way. chown/chmod is stubborn like that |
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| 08:16.17 | willow | grumpyfashion: find some/path -not -writable -exec chmod 755 {} \; |
| 08:17.04 | willow | or maybe find . -not -writable -readable |
| 08:18.18 | willow | grumpyfashion: if you have the ones you want to skip already in a list then iterate through the list with a for statement |
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| 11:41.31 | dob1 | from a console can I execute a problem that will open on the Xorg session |
| 11:41.58 | lawr3nce | anyone can help me? |
| 11:42.18 | lawr3nce | Err:10 http://www.deb-multimedia.org squeeze Release |
| 11:42.21 | lawr3nce | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:42.43 | lawr3nce | when I'm trying to ~$ sudo apt-get update |
| 11:42.46 | lawr3nce | idk y tho |
| 11:44.31 | dob1 | it's very old squeeze |
| 11:44.41 | towo` | lawr3nce, squeeze? you kidding, do you? |
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| 11:45.00 | lawr3nce | towo`, please don't be arrogant and show me how you'd solve it |
| 11:45.08 | lawr3nce | dob1, what do you suggest me to do? |
| 11:45.17 | dob1 | lawr3nce, I think the repository is gone |
| 11:45.28 | lawr3nce | it's been a while I don't upgrade debian |
| 11:45.37 | towo` | lawr3nce, read the instructions for deb-multimedia again |
| 11:45.54 | towo` | there is no repo for squeeze |
| 11:46.29 | dob1 | lawr3nce, "a while" it's an eufemism |
| 11:46.50 | lawr3nce | towo`, was it that hard to give an answer like your last one? |
| 11:46.56 | lawr3nce | be gentle |
| 11:47.23 | dob1 | lawr3nce, imho you have to start over |
| 11:47.35 | ws2k3 | im trying to mount a xfs partition at boot: /dev/xvda3 /var/lib/mongodb xfs defaults,errors=remount-ro 0 1 but it fails to mount at boot. while if i mount it manualy it goes fine. could there be anything wrong with my line in fstab? |
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| 11:54.11 | rk4 | does it show an error message |
| 11:54.52 | rk4 | i presume you tried 'mount /var/lib/mongodb' or 'mount -a' to test out that line |
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| 12:00.11 | ws2k3 | rk4: mount: /var/lib/mongodb: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/xvda3, missing codepage or helper program, or other error. |
| 12:00.40 | ws2k3 | rk4: when i run mount /dev/xvda3 /var/lib/mongodb everything is fine |
| 12:01.06 | rk4 | well now you know how to test your line, you can try fixing it :) |
| 12:01.11 | rk4 | night |
| 12:02.03 | ws2k3 | rk4: well the mount line in the fstab looks fine to me. and the error is pretty wide not realy saying what the issue could be |
| 12:02.27 | ws2k3 | rk4: also https://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/how-to-install-xfs-and-create-xfs-file-system-on-debianubuntu-linux/#Update_/etc/fstab shows the fstab line should look like i have it so i was kinda lost :P |
| 12:02.43 | ksk | cyberciti, source of good quality documentation since ... (not) |
| 12:03.35 | ksk | take a look at what "mount" shows for /dev/xvda3, and compare that to your line in fstab. |
| 12:04.03 | ksk | the error you pasted is somewhat self-explaining. |
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| 12:06.16 | ws2k3 | ksk: thx. /dev/xvda3 /var/lib/mongodb/ xfs rw,user,auto 0 0 this did the job |
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| 12:12.02 | ksk | !next |
| 12:12.02 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
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| 12:27.42 | dob1 | if I put /bin/false on user shell how can I keep sftp access enabled? |
| 12:29.05 | ratrace | dob1: what do you want to do, prevent ssh login, but enable sftp only? |
| 12:29.29 | dob1 | ratrace, yes |
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| 12:29.45 | dob1 | ratrace, no... sorry I want to prevent running any shell |
| 12:29.52 | ratrace | dob1: then you don't set login shell. Use ForceCommand internal-sftp for the user uid or gid that you want to set up like that |
| 12:30.01 | ratrace | you can't prevent running any shell |
| 12:30.23 | ratrace | defining user shell is _default_ login shell. a shell process can still be started by other means |
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| 12:31.31 | dob1 | ratrace, the user will login via xrdp and it can do it even if shell is /bin/false . in the session it cannot launch any terminal emulator because the shell is disabled |
| 12:31.48 | dob1 | and this is what I want |
| 12:31.55 | ratrace | then /bin/false it is |
| 12:32.10 | dob1 | ok but can I combine this with sftp ? |
| 12:32.18 | ratrace | sftp doesn't require a shell |
| 12:32.26 | dob1 | I doesn't let me to login |
| 12:32.37 | ksk | If I remember correctly you will need to add /bin/false to the list of valid shells. |
| 12:32.37 | ratrace | dob1: what's the error? |
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| 12:34.14 | dob1 | ratrace, I don't see a specific error, I just see Received disconnect from ip port 47196:11: disconnected by user |
| 12:34.42 | dob1 | when I try sftp I just get Connection closed |
| 12:35.16 | ratrace | dob1: look into server side logs |
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| 12:39.29 | dob1 | ratrace, this is what is happening server side https://paste.debian.net/1167972/ |
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| 12:45.30 | ratrace | dob1: "Received disconnect from 192.168.254.1" ... check the client side connection with ssh -v |
| 12:46.11 | dob1 | ratrace, It seems to work after this change: https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/327284/276987 |
| 12:46.40 | dob1 | but I don't know why |
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| 12:47.18 | ratrace | dob1: which change, there's multiple answers on that page |
| 12:50.17 | ratrace | dob1: also, are you chrooting sftp users.... otherwise they'll be free to cd anywhere in the system that's accessible to the uid |
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| 12:52.55 | iamjfk11 | -.-/ |
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| 12:55.26 | dob1 | ratrace, I was thinking this setup too, I know it's in ssh config. right? |
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| 12:56.54 | dob1 | this is interesting about sftp-server vs internal-sftp that should be the default https://serverfault.com/a/660325/166988 |
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| 12:59.33 | jelly | I haven't managed to do logging with internal-sftp, only with sftp-server, but I last tried around, uh, jessie |
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| 13:08.24 | unixbsd | Hello! I would like to convert a HTML file to a PDF? Is there a tool or debian soft to do so? thank you in advance! |
| 13:09.18 | themill | ,i wkhtmltopdf |
| 13:09.20 | judd | Package wkhtmltopdf (utils, optional) in buster/amd64: Command line utilities to convert html to pdf or image using WebKit. Version: 0.12.5-1; Size: 199.6k; Installed: 1041k; Homepage: https://wkhtmltopdf.org/ |
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| 13:11.47 | unixbsd | thanks you. pretty cool. I was thinking if GS or PDFTK could eventually do it as well.. |
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| 13:13.23 | unixbsd | anyhow thank you |
| 13:14.08 | unixbsd | Concerning MS-Exchange, is there, maybe, by any chance any alternative to Thunderbirds to get the Agenda/MS-Exchange calendar in debian? |
| 13:15.13 | unixbsd | So far, I found only this one: https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-US/thunderbird/addon/provider-for-microsoft-exchang/ |
| 13:16.12 | unixbsd | the problem with it is that it is pretty buggy, meetings disappear, or refresh will miss many meetings and so on. |
| 13:18.45 | themill | davmail and evolution can both talk to Exchange |
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| 13:19.52 | themill | syncing is always problematic particularly around recurring events (which exchange/outlook itself can't do correctly so what chance does anyone else have) |
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| 13:32.26 | ratrace | jelly: you need to provide the syslog/journald socket inside the chroot |
| 13:32.48 | ratrace | basically just a mkdir /path/to/chroot/dev/ and setup syslog, for example, to create a listening socket there |
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| 14:05.32 | ksk | Hey guys. If I wanted to move all mails from one provider to another, is there some useful tool for that in Debian? (like, get all mails from server A, put them on server B) |
| 14:07.54 | codedmart | I am trying to use debootstrap to get a ubuntu bionic container to use with machinectl. I `su` into root. `cd` into `/var/lib/machines/releases`. Then try `/sbin/debootstrap bionic bionic http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu`. I get an error `E: Unable to execute target architecture`. I am using debian buster. |
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| 14:09.32 | ksk | codedmart: running on 32bit? then you need to reference 32bit buntu |
| 14:09.48 | codedmart | No 64 bit |
| 14:10.18 | ksk | Why two times "bionic"? |
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| 14:10.32 | ksk | "debootstrap [OPTION...] SUITE TARGET [MIRROR [SCRIPT]]" |
| 14:10.55 | codedmart | bionic is the folder I am using in releases dir. |
| 14:10.58 | ksk | ah, eh, thats the folder. |
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| 14:12.59 | codedmart | Oh interesting `sudo su` seems to work. |
| 14:13.06 | greycat | !sudo su |
| 14:13.07 | dpkg | Typing "sudo su" is like typing "cat file | cat". If you want a non-login shell as root, just use "sudo -s". If you want a login shell, "sudo -i". There's no need to run two different superuser-elevation programs chained back to back. See also <buster su> |
| 14:13.21 | ksk | !buster su |
| 14:13.21 | dpkg | In buster, su no longer overrides PATH by default, requiring that you use "su -" or "su -l" for login shells (which is not really a new thing at all...). To approximate the previous behaviour, put "ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes" in /etc/default/su (create it). See https://wiki.debian.org/NewInBuster#Changes for details. |
| 14:13.53 | ksk | Mhhm, does not make too much sense to me though, if you were actually root when issuing said debootstrap command. |
| 14:14.16 | ksk | apart from having a non-root path debootstrap maybe? not sure.. |
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| 15:25.37 | incal | hi guys, how can I output all visible/printable chars in the Linux VT? jot (from athena-jot) only shows jot -c 128 0, after that shows nothing. yet I have the acute chars, ring, diaeresis, grave, cedilla ... Å, æ, Ã¥, ä, à , ç, the diameter: Ã, tilde: ñ ... <https://dataswamp.org/~incal/conf/remap.inc> TIA |
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| 15:26.38 | greycat | I very seriously doubt you want to display the *entire* Unicode character set. |
| 15:26.50 | incal | it is the Linux VT |
| 15:27.06 | incal | ANSI then |
| 15:27.08 | incal | 8th bit? |
| 15:27.24 | greycat | Are you saying you only want to see the first 256 characters? |
| 15:28.15 | incal | that would be an improvement since I have only succeeded " " to "~" i.e. ASCII |
| 15:28.48 | incal | with zsh's print -a -C 16 -r {" "..~} or the above jot command, or ascii(1) for that matter |
| 15:29.01 | greycat | I get "diamonds" after the ~ |
| 15:29.09 | incal | I get nothing |
| 15:29.16 | incal | whay command did you use? |
| 15:29.23 | greycat | for ((i=0; i<256; i++)); do printf -v tmp %02x "$i"; printf "\x$tmp"; done; echo |
| 15:30.51 | incal | yep, nothing, can be a font thing tho |
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| 15:31.34 | incal | but I'm in the Linux VT now, using the compose key, setup in the file URLd above, I can input many more keys: ó, ø, ä ... |
| 15:32.45 | incal | ä is unicode 0xE4 for example |
| 15:32.59 | incal | says Emacs' `describe-char' |
| 15:33.12 | incal | so how do I output all them from a shell command? |
| 15:33.15 | RoyK | greycat: I tried that with bash and zsh and got nothing for typical non-ascii stuff |
| 15:33.29 | greycat | This one works better for generating unicode characters |
| 15:33.32 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:33.35 | RoyK | æøå etc works, though |
| 15:35.17 | RoyK | greycat: that worked - just needed to increase 256 to something a bit higher ;) |
| 15:35.33 | incal | greycat, wow! great |
| 15:35.58 | incal | only I get an error: printf:5: %: invalid directive |
| 15:36.41 | incal | I'm putting you name next to it :) |
| 15:37.12 | incal | https://dataswamp.org/~incal/conf/.zsh/vt |
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| 15:38.05 | RoyK | greycat: btw, I tested this with bash - probably the same as with zsh |
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| 15:38.25 | incal | tested with zsh, got good output but that error message |
| 15:38.40 | incal | to be invalid, it was a pretty good directive :) |
| 15:39.59 | jelly | incal: i don't remember what % means to zsh, but if you quote '%04x' things might get better |
| 15:40.14 | greycat | RoyK: I'm using bash. |
| 15:41.21 | incal | jelly, tried that already, same |
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| 15:44.13 | jelly | ah. |
| 15:44.15 | jelly | +/usr/bin/zsh:8> printf '\u0025' |
| 15:44.15 | jelly | printf: %: invalid directive |
| 15:44.31 | jelly | \u0025 is, in fact a literal % |
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| 15:45.24 | greycat | sounds like a question for #zsh |
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| 15:47.35 | jelly | bash printf does not consider \u0025 to be part of its printf format syntax |
| 15:48.06 | jelly | I guess zsh expands "\u0025" before passing it to printf builtin |
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| 15:48.21 | jelly | score 1 for bash |
| 15:48.27 | greycat | Even when the 0025 comes from a variable? That's really sketchy. |
| 15:49.40 | jelly | greycat: bash does as expected even with a literal printf "\u0025" |
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| 15:50.12 | neilthereildeil | does anyone here have experience reading the kernel debug output of a soft lockup? |
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| 15:50.46 | jelly | greycat: it makes sense in a way, if doublequote expansion is completely separate from builtins |
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| 15:52.08 | neilthereildeil | i see this line: Sending NMI from CPU 49 to CPUs 32: |
| 15:52.18 | neilthereildeil | whats the significance of these CPU numbers? i see other lines in the log show call stacks on both of those CPUs also |
| 15:52.25 | neilthereildeil | i see multiple lines saying "Sending NMI from" |
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| 15:52.42 | neilthereildeil | and it varies between 42->39 and 39->42 |
| 15:52.54 | neilthereildeil | why just those 2? |
| 15:53.12 | neilthereildeil | are they both having soft lockups? if not, why are they only using those two? |
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| 15:55.29 | jelly | neilthereildeil: try #kernelnewbies over on OFTC, they're usually helpful |
| 15:56.06 | jelly | perhaps those logical cpus are closest to each other |
| 15:56.47 | codedmart | So I am looking at systemd-nspawn again. It seems all the guides I can find talk about not using network-manager. I would like to use a bridge, but with network-manager is that possible? |
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| 16:06.47 | jelly | for ((i=0; i<256; i++)); do printf -v tmp '%04x' "$i"; printf %b "\u$tmp"; done # works in both |
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| 16:47.10 | ctcx | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZN5n6C9gM4 "Backwards compatibility sucks" |
| 16:47.15 | ctcx | Is this sadly true? |
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| 16:49.03 | neilthereildeil | which is my kernel source tree version in this string? 5.5.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 #1 Debian 5.5.17-1~bpo10+1 |
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| 16:51.15 | ctcx | Sorry, I meant https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZN5n6C9gM4&t=35m4s |
| 16:51.51 | greycat | if you want anyone to actually talk to you, try not requiring us to watch some random youtube video first |
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| 16:54.31 | imMute | neilthereildeil: 5.5.17 but debian adds their own patches on top of upstream |
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| 16:54.55 | neilthereildeil | so would it not be this kernel? https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/tag/?h=v5.5 |
| 16:55.05 | neilthereildeil | i dont see 5.5.17 as a mainline tag |
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| 16:56.18 | imMute | neilthereildeil: which repo are you looking at? AFAIK, linus' tree doesn't have these tags since he doesn't work on stable branches. |
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| 16:57.16 | imMute | neilthereildeil: https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/stable/linux.git/tag/?h=v5.5.17 is the stable release 5.5.17 |
| 16:58.20 | imMute | neilthereildeil: and https://salsa.debian.org/kernel-team/linux/-/tags/debian%2F5.5.17-1_bpo10+1 is the debian version you mentioned. |
| 16:59.09 | neilthereildeil | thank you |
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| 17:14.16 | deadrom | hi. 10.6+xfce, locks the screen every 30min. told xfce not to in "power options". what spot am I missing? |
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| 17:46.28 | Brigo | deadrom, check logind configuration |
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| 17:55.29 | deadrom | Brigo: all commented out |
| 18:00.11 | Brigo | deadrom, i have to go in a minute, but your unswer is not enought, what do you mean? |
| 18:00.28 | deadrom | Brigo: logind.conf has all lines commented |
| 18:00.48 | deadrom | well apart from [login] |
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| 18:02.01 | deadrom | there's a package light-locker, "simple screne locker for lightdm"... seems that's my next suspect |
| 18:02.13 | Brigo | deadrom, that means those are the default values, i thin the one you need to modify is #IdleActionSec=30min. Uncoment, modify and reload the unit |
| 18:03.01 | Brigo | s/thin/think |
| 18:03.37 | deadrom | will try, thanks |
| 18:03.53 | deadrom | not sure what to restart then. X? lightdm? the machine? |
| 18:04.12 | Brigo | logind.unit |
| 18:04.40 | Brigo | umm there is no such thing, maybe nonting |
| 18:04.46 | Brigo | sorry, have to go. |
| 18:04.52 | deadrom | kk, thanks |
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| 18:21.30 | deadrom | shutting down: "A stop job is running for Session 16 uf user (1min 22s / 1min 30s)" -- *a* job. Which job? Why? What is it waiting for? I've seen it on various systemd distros now and it's quite annoying. |
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| 18:23.28 | jelly | deadrom: it's a "stop job", for that active logged-on session. Basically waiting for all the apps from that user to die peacefully or the user to log off |
| 18:24.17 | deadrom | jelly: I even closed everything. not a single terminal running. |
| 18:24.35 | jelly | apparently not everything... |
| 18:24.50 | deadrom | apparently systemd doesn't bother to tell me what then |
| 18:25.10 | jelly | no, it does not, there might be lots of processes, or just one |
| 18:27.18 | imMute | deadrom: a "job" is a command to systemd to do something. when you do "systemctl stop foo.service", that is adding a job that stops the foo service. once the service is stopped, the job no longer exists. |
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| 18:28.13 | imMute | I'm not sure what the unit name would be, but you could use 'systemctl status $UNIT' to see what things are still running in that session. |
| 18:28.19 | deadrom | imMute: well, it would be of great help if I knew what last it queued |
| 18:28.42 | imMute | try 'systemctl status session-16.scope' |
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| 18:29.14 | deadrom | imMute: it hi tth e90 seconds and did whatever happens then, system just shut down |
| 18:29.23 | deadrom | *it hit the |
| 18:29.56 | imMute | probably just forcefully killed whatever was taking forever to quit |
| 18:30.06 | jelly | imMute: that wait usually happens during reboot / poweroff |
| 18:30.22 | jelly | pretty hard to run systemctl anything, then |
| 18:30.56 | jelly | deadrom: stupid workaround: first log off, then reboot or shutdown |
| 18:31.03 | jhutchins | deadrom: It's often a network process, like a share mount. |
| 18:31.21 | deadrom | possible, I've got nfs4 on automount |
| 18:31.51 | deadrom | but I can safely say all files on these were closed |
| 18:32.16 | jelly | jhutchins: shirley systemd can understand dependencies of a network connection to be able to umount nfs! |
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| 18:32.59 | jhutchins | deadrom: Yup, there it is. It can't reach the server to shut down the mount. |
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| 18:35.49 | deadrom | jhutchins: anything one can do about it? create a dep? |
| 18:36.12 | jhutchins | Power off or wait. |
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| 18:36.59 | jhutchins | Make network shutdown wait for unmount to complete. |
| 18:36.59 | deadrom | can one reduce the timeout? |
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| 18:37.46 | jhutchins | Don't know. |
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| 18:41.48 | imMute | deadrom: yes, set the TimeoutStopSec property of the mount unit. |
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| 18:42.56 | imMute | you probably want to add an After=network-onine.target to the mount unit as well. I think that's supposed to make it wait for hte network to be up before mounting, and to unmount before taking down the network. |
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| 18:44.39 | imMute | nvm, that should be automatic for NFS mount units. |
| 18:46.40 | jhutchins | imMute: Thanks. |
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| 18:47.30 | jhutchins | imMute: I haven't seen any mount problems with this problem. |
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| 19:08.48 | Matrox | is this true currently? |
| 19:08.50 | Matrox | If the file /var/run/reboot-required exists, you need to reboot your Debian or Ubuntu Linux box. |
| 19:09.05 | Matrox | for debian 10? |
| 19:11.03 | sney | first I'm hearing of it |
| 19:11.15 | ratrace | maybe something unattendedupgrades creates |
| 19:11.30 | sney | yeah, or a systemd option that debian doesn't enable by default |
| 19:11.35 | ratrace | no |
| 19:11.41 | ratrace | systemd has nothing to do with package management |
| 19:11.54 | ratrace | also, systemd would never use /var/run |
| 19:12.30 | sney | only a guess |
| 19:13.21 | Matrox | https://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/how-to-find-out-if-my-ubuntudebian-linux-server-needs-a-reboot/ |
| 19:13.25 | greycat | There might be some 'check reboot' sort of package that would create that, but it's not a regular thing in a default install. |
| 19:13.53 | greycat | there's also: |
| 19:13.55 | greycat | !reboot required |
| 19:13.55 | dpkg | If you've upgraded your kernel package you need to reboot to start running the new kernel. Unless the <kernel abi> has changed, uname -r doesn't tell you whether this is needed or not, instead compare /proc/version to the package version: if ! grep -q $(dpkg-query -f'${Version}' -W linux-image-$(uname -r)) /proc/version; then echo "Reboot required"; fi |
| 19:14.51 | Matrox | so that article is fake news? |
| 19:15.13 | Matrox | cat /var/run/reboot-required Sample outputs: *** System restart required *** |
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| 19:15.28 | ratrace | yeah, as a rule of thumb, you only need to reboot for kernel upgrades, and personally I'd also do it for glibc updates as the alternative would be to restart all services and programs, reboot is easier and technically the same thing |
| 19:15.50 | greycat | reboots can take a long time on some systems, though |
| 19:16.30 | ratrace | for glibc upgrade, it would take the same amount of time + kernel loading |
| 19:16.38 | greycat | Matrox: if they don't say what *package* creates this file, then it's not a very well-written article. Also, cyberciti.biz is not the most reputable info source. But not the worst. |
| 19:16.46 | Matrox | also here says the same |
| 19:16.47 | Matrox | https://megamorf.gitlab.io/2019/06/10/check-if-reboot-is-required-after-installing-linux-updates/ |
| 19:17.02 | greycat | ratrace: some servers literally take minutes to get to the boot loader |
| 19:17.29 | ratrace | PXE boots? |
| 19:18.14 | greycat | no |
| 19:18.39 | Matrox | https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxquestions/comments/3ukobm/what_creates_the_file_varrunrebootrequired/ |
| 19:18.47 | Matrox | On Debian-like systems it's created by /usr/share/update-notifier/notify-reboot-required which is called in the .postinst script of some packages. |
| 19:19.04 | greycat | ,file usr/share/update-notifier/notify-reboot-required |
| 19:19.09 | judd | Search for usr/share/update-notifier/notify-reboot-required in buster/amd64: reboot-notifier: usr/share/update-notifier/notify-reboot-required |
| 19:21.46 | Matrox | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:22.03 | greycat | because you did not install the package that judd just said it's in |
| 19:22.20 | greycat | this is not a standard package or file |
| 19:23.02 | Matrox | reboot-notifier/stable 0.8 all |
| 19:23.03 | Matrox | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:23.30 | Matrox | daily notification mailer? maybe that file is a byproduct of its daily mailing functionality |
| 19:24.36 | greycat | you're aware that you misspelled /usr/, right? |
| 19:24.48 | jelly | ratrace: I have blade servers that take 8 minutes to do POST, the firmware enumerates all the SAN disks * paths even if they're not going to boot off any of them |
| 19:24.52 | Matrox | yes. the folder still doesn't exist, i have installed that package |
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| 19:25.09 | Matrox | have not^ |
| 19:25.34 | greycat | well, there you go |
| 19:26.39 | jelly | Matrox: it happens VERY often that a random article says "Debian or Ubuntu" for something they haven't even tested on a Debian installation |
| 19:28.18 | jelly | tempted to make yet another grumpy factoid !debian or ubuntu |
| 19:28.30 | ratrace | cyberciti usually has terrible advice. |
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| 19:29.34 | jelly | that particular idiom means "treat the advice as suspect, verify everything" for me |
| 19:29.36 | Matrox | well usually they copy it from other sources. |
| 19:29.46 | ratrace | for "needs a reboot" there's really only one rule: kernel and glibc. for everything else, restart appropriate services, and there's a package that can help finding which libs have updates so you can know which services to restart, but I forgot its name |
| 19:30.12 | greycat | you need a reboot for something else too... dbus, I think? |
| 19:30.21 | greycat | not sure about udev |
| 19:30.23 | ratrace | not any more, systemd doesn't require it any more |
| 19:30.24 | jelly | ratrace: you can't restart dbus, restarting DM or N-M can have unintended consequences |
| 19:30.38 | Matrox | well do package maintainers use that update-notifier in postinstall scripts though? |
| 19:31.05 | jelly | Matrox: I just keep "needrestart" installed, its guesses are good enough |
| 19:31.27 | ratrace | jelly: you can restart dbus. It may or may not log you out back to the DM screen tho |
| 19:31.50 | jelly | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:31.55 | ratrace | on the server dbus is not even required, except in some rare cases where I don't know what would happen with those rare services that rely on it |
| 19:32.16 | Matrox | only dbus.postinst script in my system seems to notify update-notifier |
| 19:32.26 | greycat | The only matches I have for update-notifier in my /var/lib/dpkg/info/ are in dbus.postinst |
| 19:32.41 | jelly | Matrox: it's possible there's a dbus api to notify :-) |
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| 19:32.56 | Matrox | so the kernel doesnt notify that applications that system needs a restart? |
| 19:33.25 | ratrace | kernel never does that |
| 19:33.29 | jelly | no, the kernel doesn't know anything about that |
| 19:33.32 | ratrace | kernel has no clue even |
| 19:33.47 | Matrox | i was mostly interested , in being notified when a kernel upgrade happened, not when dbus was upgraded |
| 19:34.03 | Matrox | thats what that article was promising at least |
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| 19:34.28 | greycat | I'd use what the bot said earlier. |
| 19:34.44 | Matrox | i meant the postinstall script of the linux-image package |
| 19:34.56 | jelly | Marbug: I suggest trying needrestart instead. It _will_ notify you you installed a kernel with a new ABI. |
| 19:34.58 | greycat | Do you see it? I do not. |
| 19:35.02 | Matrox | or maybe its not in /var/lib/dpkg/info |
| 19:35.13 | greycat | Maybe you're just following a trail of drams. |
| 19:35.16 | greycat | Maybe you're just following a trail of dreams. |
| 19:35.25 | ratrace | so, the $32k question, it's not even a $1M diffculty..... why are you allowing things to happen on your machine that you don't know about, and need to be notified of kernel upgrade? |
| 19:35.26 | jelly | erm, Matrox. (sorry you other person) |
| 19:35.48 | Matrox | jelly, will try that. does it create some file? |
| 19:35.55 | jelly | ratrace: do you always watch the whole dist-upgrade output for new kernels? I don't. |
| 19:36.12 | Matrox | in what form does it notify you. it helps me if it creates i file, i can check if it exists or not |
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| 19:36.16 | greycat | On stable it's pretty hard to miss. |
| 19:36.17 | ratrace | see this is a !xy problem for me right there. your _actual_ problem is allowing things to upgrade quietly, behind your back, conspiring to break your system, so you need a notifier to detect kernel upgrades. |
| 19:36.27 | jelly | Matrox: it has a hook after apt is finished. |
| 19:36.37 | Matrox | ratrace, yes |
| 19:36.37 | ratrace | jelly: yes, I always screen and check what is updated, often apt-get changelog and test them updates before production. |
| 19:36.45 | ratrace | *ALWAYS* |
| 19:36.56 | Onyx47 | this is getting annoying... I have buster installed on this laptop, using Plasma as my DE and SDDM as my DM, most of the time SDDM just fails to start and I get dropped to tty |
| 19:36.58 | jelly | ratrace: it's not quietly for me, but I just can't bother to read all that crap on workstations. |
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| 19:37.27 | Onyx47 | starting X from there works fine, and sometimes SDDM runs in background eating 100% of a single core at all times |
| 19:37.38 | ratrace | jelly: apt list --upgradable | grep linux-image ? |
| 19:37.43 | Matrox | ratrace, a dist-upgrade hasn't broken any of my systems since many years ago. i don't see why can't use unattented upgrades or a cron job for it |
| 19:37.43 | jelly | ratrace: other people use debian in a more casual manner |
| 19:37.48 | Matrox | and just notify me when reboot is needed |
| 19:37.58 | Onyx47 | nothing in journal for SDDM is abnormal... I'm just confused |
| 19:38.06 | ratrace | Matrox: because that's only one half of the things it does, and you aren't asking about the other half |
| 19:38.17 | jelly | Matrox: I would not consider unattended-upgrades safe on Debian. |
| 19:38.38 | ratrace | Matrox: that's the problem with unattended upgrades. you think it does the job but only it half-asses it. |
| 19:38.43 | Matrox | jelly, really why? |
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| 19:39.07 | jelly | Matrox: because there are so many things needed to get it to work right |
| 19:39.18 | ratrace | jelly: then who cares about kernel upgrade casually? it'll get upgraded on next reboot anyway :) |
| 19:39.22 | jelly | and Debian has not cared for those things |
| 19:39.34 | jelly | ratrace: the question was "do I need to reboot" |
| 19:39.48 | jelly | needrestart provides an answer. |
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| 19:40.03 | Matrox | ratrace, so forget dist-upgrade, do you things its equally do an automated apt-get upgrade, periodically? what would that break? also reboot would not be required |
| 19:40.07 | ratrace | but again, that is only ONE HALF of the problem here |
| 19:40.10 | Matrox | think^ |
| 19:40.26 | Matrox | equally bad^ (cant type) |
| 19:40.39 | ratrace | Matrox: it would break things that aren't restared due to dependency upgrade |
| 19:41.03 | jelly | ratrace: needrestart warns you of those as well. |
| 19:41.03 | ratrace | that's what I'm saying here. unattended-upgrades doesn't tell you about it, doesn't notify you about it, doesn't care even. |
| 19:41.14 | ratrace | "needs reboot" is only one part of that equation |
| 19:41.28 | ratrace | jelly: of lib upgrades too? oh that's the package Iw as thinking of earlier then |
| 19:41.33 | jelly | yes |
| 19:41.40 | ratrace | that's the one then |
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| 19:41.57 | Matrox | ratrace, i thought services are autorestarted on package upgrade |
| 19:42.04 | ratrace | Matrox: not on library upgrades |
| 19:42.09 | jelly | sure it's using deleted file heuristics, but it's gotten to the point where it's guesses are 90-95% ok |
| 19:42.31 | ratrace | Matrox: services are restarted when packages the services belong to, upgrade. they aren't when a dependency package has upgraded |
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| 19:44.17 | Matrox | jelly, in what way do you use needrestart? for unattended upgrades/dist-upgrades? |
| 19:44.21 | Matrox | or something else |
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| 19:45.29 | jelly | Matrox: I don't do any upgrades unattended, but I look at needrestart output at the end of every upgrade run. |
| 19:46.03 | Matrox | jelly, doesn't normal apt notify you on what needs to be restarted when you upgrade? |
| 19:46.11 | jelly | Matrox: no |
| 19:46.57 | Matrox | so without needrestart, people have memorized, what service uses what library, and just restart them by memory? |
| 19:47.09 | jelly | or they don't restart them at all |
| 19:47.31 | greycat | It's *really* not that hard to do an upgrade on stable, see that 2 packages were upgraded, one of them was a kernel, "Oh, look, it's a kernel". |
| 19:47.38 | jelly | leaving potentially vulnerable services still running |
| 19:48.12 | jelly | greycat: sure, but there's a tool that does that for you. And also checks for microcode upgrades. And library upgrades. |
| 19:48.49 | jelly | ooh, and there's a piece that checks user services too now. |
| 19:48.50 | jelly | needrestart - check which daemons need to be restarted after library upgrades |
| 19:48.50 | jelly | needrestart-session - check for processes need to be restarted in user sessions |
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| 19:49.39 | jelly | so maybe the system doesn't need rebooting, but you need to log out and back in |
| 19:49.44 | Matrox | jelly, does needrestart or needrestart-session need any configuration to be used? or i just run them after my upgrade? |
| 19:50.10 | jelly | Matrox: it runs automatically near the end of any package installation apt run |
| 19:50.37 | jelly | that's what a "hook" is for, integration into apt |
| 19:50.59 | Matrox | jelly, oh i see. also needrestart-session, can also be used if i run a service as a user, in a headless setup? |
| 19:51.08 | jelly | fuck if I know |
| 19:51.09 | Matrox | or is this handled by normal needrestart |
| 19:51.17 | EdePopede | err what? > Invalid format for name (no special chars, max 10 chars) |
| 19:51.34 | EdePopede | then i shouldn't be able to insert 24 chars for the paste name, correct? |
| 19:51.37 | jelly | EdePopede: who said that |
| 19:51.41 | ratrace | ENOCONTEXT |
| 19:52.38 | EdePopede | anyway, the real thing. pulseaudio again: https://paste.debian.net/plain/1168025 |
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| 19:53.10 | EdePopede | sound disappears with no reason while i have a video running on mpv. killing PA helped again. |
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| 19:54.01 | EdePopede | but i never had such a clear rtkit entry before with PA itself not doing anything odd before (like flickering the volume dialog and being restarted dozens of times) |
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| 19:55.18 | jelly | what's a rtkit-daemon, something renicing user services after they're started, but only if they should have permission to get better prio? |
| 19:55.28 | jelly | sounds racey if so |
| 19:56.07 | EdePopede | maybe i should check where it even comes from |
| 19:58.10 | Matrox | jelly, so the plain needrestart, has only notified you about services running under the root user? |
| 19:58.12 | EdePopede | maybe i really should remove it, seems nothing depending on it |
| 19:58.28 | ratrace | doesn't PA require it? |
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| 20:00.11 | EdePopede | doesn't seem so, -s remove only lists rtkit itself |
| 20:00.16 | EdePopede | which really surprizes me |
| 20:00.34 | ratrace | huh |
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| 20:01.08 | EdePopede | i think i'll giv it a try, linux isn't too easy to break this way after all |
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| 20:01.56 | EdePopede | i prefer PA simply crash instead of spamming my logs for hours while something tries to restart it, as it happened recently |
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| 20:03.24 | gumnos | Is there a proper way to change the home directory for a user from a script? I can use chsh to set the shell automatically or change other aspects interactively; or vipw to change interactively. But short of some awk and a manual rebuild of the password db, anything better? |
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| 20:03.44 | jelly | Matrox: i think so. |
| 20:03.54 | jelly | let me check some upgrade logs |
| 20:05.18 | ratrace | gumnos: like usermod? |
| 20:05.20 | Matrox | jelly, i think session just notifies you inside the session or something. " needrestart checks which processes need to be restarted after library upgrades. needrestart-session implements a notification of user sessions about their obsolete processes after system upgrades. " not very clear |
| 20:06.17 | jelly | Matrox: I don't think anything, haven't tried it. I don't even know if I have that one installed or not. |
| 20:06.24 | jelly | !tias |
| 20:06.24 | dpkg | TIAS is "Try It And See". |
| 20:10.31 | gumnos | ratrace: [reading manpages now] |
| 20:10.52 | gumnos | dang it. That's perfect and I missed it. Thanks! |
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| 21:12.46 | ralinux | Hi guys how to install flashplayer on Debian Buster 10? |
| 21:13.54 | ax562 | ralinux it's in the repo |
| 21:14.09 | ax562 | apt-cache search |
| 21:14.10 | zykotick9 | ralinux: see browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash and pepperflashplugin-nonfree for some implementations |
| 21:14.36 | ralinux | apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree |
| 21:14.45 | another | be advised though, that flash is near EOL |
| 21:14.50 | ralinux | E: Package 'flashplugin-nonfree' has no installation candidate |
| 21:15.13 | another | did you activate non-free? |
| 21:15.31 | ralinux | I will take a look on that |
| 21:15.49 | ralinux | so what should I install instead of flash player? |
| 21:16.03 | towo` | nothing |
| 21:16.05 | another | nothing |
| 21:16.19 | another | flash support end 2020 iirc |
| 21:16.23 | towo` | all browsers had or will stop supporting flash |
| 21:16.43 | EdePopede | besides gambling sites, who's using flash these days? |
| 21:17.10 | another | wikipedia confirms: 2020-12-31 |
| 21:17.27 | zykotick9 | EdePopede: the game VectorTD <- my last reason for flash |
| 21:18.48 | ralinux | Not non-free packages on /etc/apt/sources.list on my system Debian Buster 10 |
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| 21:25.38 | zykotick9 | ralinux: just to confirm, installing pepperflashplugin-nonfree got flash (aka Vector TD) working with chromium, on my debian stable. |
| 21:26.04 | ax562 | ralinux go into software and updates and add it |
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| 21:26.16 | ax562 | or manually |
| 21:26.23 | ralinux | Ok, thanks |
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| 21:27.56 | ax562 | np |
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| 21:28.32 | sney | even if you get it working, you should contact whoever the app you're using belongs to, and strongly suggest that they rewrite it in something modern |
| 21:29.08 | sney | flash is like python2. everyone knows it's dying, they've known for years, they have no excuse. but it helps for users to keep the pressure up too. |
| 21:31.16 | ralinux | ok |
| 21:31.19 | ax562 | is there that much of a syntax difference between python2 vs python3? Curious to why people would still rock 2? |
| 21:32.01 | sney | it's similar but it does take time and effort to port the code. which is why python upstream announced the python2 eol far in advance |
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| 21:32.45 | Matrox | to change system hostname, should i edit /etc/hostname or use hostnamectl ? |
| 21:32.48 | Matrox | which is suggested |
| 21:33.25 | ratrace | the latter does the former |
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| 21:35.56 | greycat | Edit /etc/hostname and reboot, is your best bet. The hostname may also appear in many other files, starting with /etc/hosts. |
| 21:36.09 | greycat | Make sure you get all of those as well. MTA configs, Web server configs, etc. |
| 21:36.14 | zykotick9 | sney re:python2 - having no kodi in testing kinda sucks... as a "user", i'm just sayin'. |
| 21:36.50 | sney | zykotick9: sounds like you're in a perfect position to yell at kodi upstream, then. |
| 21:36.58 | zykotick9 | ;) |
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| 21:37.55 | sney | (bullseye is keeping python2 after all, packages still using it will need to point their scripts to /usr/bin/python2 explicitly, this is a little easier to patch than porting all of the code though) |
| 21:38.04 | greycat | *what* |
| 21:38.12 | greycat | they... gave up!? |
| 21:38.17 | sney | it's a compromise |
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| 21:39.10 | sney | python is no longer part of any debian system tools or installed by default. and there is no /usr/bin/python. but if someone is using some obsolete junk like chromium, it's still available. :P |
| 21:40.03 | Matrox | ratrace, hostnamectl just edits /etc/hostname and nothing else? |
| 21:40.15 | sney | Matrox: 'man hostnamectl' is pretty straightforward |
| 21:40.46 | ratrace | Matrox: does dbus based notifications to whatever may be listening too |
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| 21:41.07 | ratrace | wait what? python2 will be available in bullseye? |
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| 21:41.48 | sney | apparently this list was too long to justify the decision to remove it entirely. https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?tag=py2keep;users=debian-python@lists.debian.org |
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| 21:57.50 | ratrace | that's just absurd |
| 22:00.17 | ratrace | sney: what list btw? that's just bugs about py2 dependency and I see they're being resolved |
| 22:00.50 | sney | it was longer last time I looked at it, yes. chromium is significantly still stuck and waiting on upstream, maybe that's enough? |
| 22:01.07 | sney | I'm not involved in this process, I just hear a lot of secondhand stuff in various channels on OFTC |
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| 22:18.07 | themill | greycat: there's basically no libraries for python2.7 in bullseye. It's a very minimal amount of stuff there that is needed either for things like pypy3 (which needs Python 2 to bootstrap) or chromium (which needs Python 2 in the build system) |
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| 22:29.03 | deadrom | meh. 4TB of file transfers, I check on the machine and the transfer stalled. can't ssh in anymore, no ping reply and syslog has [ 9512.616719] nfs: server 192.168.0.2 not responding, timed out over and over again. board has a RTL8xxx interface, not my favorite, but no other option. have physical access, kvm, what can one check? |
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| 22:29.55 | sney | rtl8139 is reliable enough. is this your same low power system? |
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| 22:30.42 | deadrom | sney: yes, but I have been running Unigine for 4 hours earlier today and monitoring on VNC, all fine |
| 22:31.23 | deadrom | power meter says 25W during transfer, well below the picoPSU's limit |
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| 22:32.25 | sney | if your local access works and you can log in, basically just start from the bottom of journalctl and scroll up until you find something suspicious. nfs timeouts can be brutal, but shouldn't be an issue on a local network |
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| 22:35.48 | deadrom | sney: hmm, the NFS *server* actually has dmesg entries like that: rpc-srv/tcp: nfsd: sent only 685652 when sending 1048684 bytes - shutting down socket |
| 22:36.27 | deadrom | not many. and not just before the client stalled. but: the nfs server is a very old deb8 machine in 9 year old hardware, there's a reason I'm drawing backups |
| 22:38.20 | deadrom | how far back goes journalctl? is there an "old" journal like syslog.1? |
| 22:38.42 | sney | yeah, look at the description of the -b option in man journalctly |
| 22:38.53 | sney | basically, journalctl -b-1 will give you the previous boot, and so on |
| 22:38.53 | deadrom | https://access.redhat.com/solutions/28104 says for RH5 could actually be an NFS server issue. |
| 22:39.03 | deadrom | ah, thanks |
| 22:39.13 | jmcnaught | journalctl --list-boots |
| 22:39.23 | sney | yeah if nfs is being hinky I'd try it again with rsync or something else that is a lot more active about keeping the connection alive |
| 22:41.39 | deadrom | Specifying boot ID or boot offset has no effect, no persistent journal was found. <- -b-1. --list-boots only has one entry for 0 |
| 22:41.56 | deadrom | I assumed the system had stalled and reset it, sooo... |
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| 22:42.40 | jmcnaught | deadrom: you need to enable the persistent journal by creating /var/log/journal. The details are in /usr/share/doc/systemd/README.Debian |
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| 22:43.11 | sney | oh, right, I keep forgetting that default was changed for bullseye |
| 22:43.12 | deadrom | could have a part in that. will observe. other issue: screen blanks every couple minutes. does not lock, wakes up on mouse event, but I told xfce not to put the monitor to sleep. |
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| 22:45.51 | deadrom | jmcnaught: jmcnaught does not mention rotation. does it? |
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| 22:50.54 | jmcnaught | deadrom: there is no rotation as far as I know. journald.conf(5) can define limits on how long to store for, and how much space can be used. |
| 22:52.02 | Kobaz | i'm having a reaaaaaaaaly weird problem |
| 22:52.15 | Kobaz | trying to get this going: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/sql/connect/odbc/linux-mac/installing-the-microsoft-odbc-driver-for-sql-server?view=sql-server-ver15 |
| 22:52.39 | Kobaz | deb [arch=amd64] https://packages.microsoft.com/debian/10/prod buster main |
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| 22:53.16 | Kobaz | so, that's all fine and dandy... so then apt-get update finishes... and then I have my _Packages file in /var/lib/apt/lists for packages.microsoft.com. And that's all good |
| 22:54.15 | Kobaz | and i do apt-cache search msodbcsql and there's absolutly nothing found... despite there clearly being "Package: msodbcsql" in the /var/lib/apt/lists/packages.microsoft.com_debian_10_prod_dists_buster_main_binary-amd64_Packages file |
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| 22:55.49 | EdePopede | Oct 21 00:54:02 tardis pulseaudio[2196]: [pulseaudio] protocol-native.c: protocol error, kicking client |
| 22:56.02 | EdePopede | been going on for about 2 minutes until i killed it :/ |
| 22:56.28 | EdePopede | the repeated kicks may have been the reason for all the stuttering |
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| 23:01.37 | deadrom | sney: increased server's tcp buffers cherry picking https://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-tcp-tuning/ , will see how it goes. but -- tomorrow |
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| 23:08.24 | Matrox | whats the importance of my user's primary group? |
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| 23:14.30 | jelly | Matrox: files and processes will belong to that group by default. |
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| 23:33.09 | genr8_ | jmcnaught, do you have any information on how to convert a specific TTY like (Ctrl+alt+F12) into either a syslog or systemd logging terminal ? |
| 23:35.24 | jmcnaught | genr8_: look for ForwardToConsole= in the journald.conf man page |
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| 23:36.17 | genr8_ | Change the console TTY to use if ForwardToConsole=yes is used. Defaults to /dev/console. |
| 23:36.27 | genr8_ | What exactly is /dev/console ? I dont have any console messages showing up currently |
| 23:38.25 | genr8_ | my concern is, If I were to enable the ForwardToConsole=yes , I have a feeling my /dev/console is not even being shown anywhere |
| 23:39.01 | jmcnaught | genr8_: try setting TTYPath= to something else? I do not know, I have never tried this. |
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| 23:39.26 | genr8_ | OK. i think this is more about the TTY and console system in general though |
| 23:39.35 | genr8_ | systemd would just be a bonus |
| 23:39.41 | genr8_ | thanks |
| 23:40.49 | genr8_ | The current console is also addressed by /dev/console or /dev/tty0 |
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| 23:48.37 | genr8_ | no idea how to reach tty0 :/ I think im gonna have to remap it to F12 with a "console=/dev/tty12" kernel boot param |
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| 23:59.19 | genr8_ | I wonder why i can't switch to F8 or F11 |