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| 00:03.01 | Aurora_v_kosmose | So I found that firewalld's nftables support in Debian is either broken, or the interaction between libvirt and it is broken. |
| 00:03.42 | Aurora_v_kosmose | Rules don't get set properly (and VMs cannot reach outside network) unless one sets the FirewallBackend to iptables. |
| 00:04.31 | sponix | seems you should be using iptables then :) |
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| 00:05.28 | RoyK | Aurora_v_kosmose: iirc nftables is only supported in firewalld in testing |
| 00:05.32 | RoyK | and sid of course |
| 00:05.43 | Aurora_v_kosmose | Yes. I was just a bit annoyed at having spent hours trying to debug things only to find firewalld is misbehaving. |
| 00:06.06 | genr8_ | kill firewalld with fire. |
| 00:06.13 | RoyK | Aurora_v_kosmose: which debian version is this? |
| 00:06.18 | Aurora_v_kosmose | genr8_: I wish but libivirtd depends on it |
| 00:06.25 | Aurora_v_kosmose | RoyK: Stable. |
| 00:06.26 | genr8_ | ew |
| 00:06.35 | Aurora_v_kosmose | *libvirtd |
| 00:07.25 | RoyK | Aurora_v_kosmose: I don't think there's any nftable support in firewalld in buster |
| 00:07.51 | Aurora_v_kosmose | Testing with a livecd of 10.6... Ah, I got misled by the documentation of the config file. On installing it is set to iptables, but the doctext above it says that nftables is the default. |
| 00:09.24 | genr8_ | theres a newer firewalld version in backprots |
| 00:09.48 | Aurora_v_kosmose | Though IndividualCalls=no is broken at the moment (and is the package default) and prevents firewalld reloads. |
| 00:10.24 | another | Aurora_v_kosmose: been there. read the docs. you'll need at least testing libvirt, firewalld AFAIR |
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| 00:11.11 | Aurora_v_kosmose | another: Which docs? |
| 00:11.17 | sponix | I had similar with "fail2ban" I ended up switching my stuff over to iptables for a while until I was able to figure out nft for it |
| 00:11.24 | Aurora_v_kosmose | It's mentioned in none of the manpages |
| 00:13.37 | Aurora_v_kosmose | This brings to mind... is it possible to run raw nftables alongside firewalld? |
| 00:13.54 | Aurora_v_kosmose | That is, without breaking everything. |
| 00:13.59 | another | https://libvirt.org/firewall.html#fw-firewalld-and-virtual-network-driver |
| 00:14.24 | sponix | Aurora_v_kosmose: most likely |
| 00:15.34 | another | alternatively, you can do your own networking with your own firewall rules |
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| 00:16.16 | Aurora_v_kosmose | another: That is my intent for most other uses, I'd rather not use firewalld given it has several outstanding issues, such as broken forwarding support in rich rules. |
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| 00:16.43 | Aurora_v_kosmose | another: For libvirt I cannot because that'd require so much manual intervention as to make the use of libvirtd redundant. |
| 00:17.24 | another | libvirt is still useful for managing VMs |
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| 00:18.58 | another | just don't let it manage your network |
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| 00:21.17 | Aurora_v_kosmose | That's the overwhelming majority of the work it does for VMs I can't just do myself with scripts though. |
| 00:21.44 | RoyK | another: works well with a bridge setup so it won't try anything funny |
| 00:22.14 | another | well, maybe i should clarify: |
| 00:22.23 | Aurora_v_kosmose | Are so many of my issues with firewalld due to the outdated stable version? |
| 00:22.31 | another | i don't use any libvirt managed NAT |
| 00:22.43 | Aurora_v_kosmose | Such as rich-rules' "to-port" not working. |
| 00:22.44 | RoyK | another: I understood that ;) |
| 00:22.57 | another | i let it create net devices and put them in a externally managed bridge |
| 00:23.20 | RoyK | Aurora_v_kosmose: it's in backports so it might not work. try #debian-next @ irc.oftc.net |
| 00:23.33 | RoyK | dpkg: tell Aurora_v_kosmose about debian-next |
| 00:23.55 | Aurora_v_kosmose | I'm on stable though. |
| 00:24.04 | RoyK | backports != stable |
| 00:24.45 | another | never understood why people use additional firewall software anyway |
| 00:25.08 | another | iptables and nftables are not that hard to use |
| 00:25.08 | RoyK | just uses iptables or ufw |
| 00:25.31 | RoyK | another: ufw is very nice, though, especially if you're new in the game |
| 00:25.46 | another | too bad i'm not new :D |
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| 00:26.08 | RoyK | neither am I, but I'm a bit lazy :D |
| 00:26.32 | RoyK | another: I setup my first linux machine back in 1994, so exactly "new", no |
| 00:26.45 | Aurora_v_kosmose | another: Again, I don't want to use firewalld, but I certainly don't want to bother doing the VM configs manually when libvirtd is supposed to do them for me. |
| 00:26.59 | another | RoyK: ok, i |
| 00:27.08 | another | RoyK: ok, i'm not *that* old |
| 00:27.11 | RoyK | hehe |
| 00:27.14 | RoyK | :) |
| 00:27.47 | another | you don't have to do the VM config manually |
| 00:27.59 | another | just do proper networking yourself |
| 00:28.23 | Aurora_v_kosmose | I don't know wht you mean then. |
| 00:29.25 | another | libvirt can automatically create bridges and setup NAT and firewall rules and so on |
| 00:29.41 | Aurora_v_kosmose | Which is what I include as its duties. |
| 00:29.48 | Aurora_v_kosmose | Bypassing that would be doing manually. |
| 00:29.52 | another | but you can also do that yourself and just tell it to use the already existing bridge |
| 00:30.45 | another | i like to have my network in order and under my control |
| 00:31.06 | another | rather than have some automagic been done on it |
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| 00:32.01 | Aurora_v_kosmose | What's the point of using libvirtd if you don't want automatic configuration? |
| 00:32.27 | another | i still want automagic configuration of qemu parameters |
| 00:32.45 | another | and vm autostar |
| 00:33.03 | another | and other stuff. just not networking |
| 00:34.04 | RoyK | another: just setup a bridge on the host, like br0, and setup local network interfaces on the guests. that's easy. if you want to do autoconfiguring of IPs etc, do it in the DHCP server (IPv4) or in the router (IPv6) |
| 00:34.10 | Matrox | how can i unpack a deb file? |
| 00:34.37 | RoyK | Matrox: try googling it first ;) |
| 00:36.02 | another | RoyK: you don't have to tell me. i already have my machine set up |
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| 00:36.48 | RoyK | another: you won't need any NAT meddling if you do it the way I suggested and it *will* be stable |
| 00:37.05 | Aurora_v_kosmose | The NAT is specifically for VMs I do not want to receive traffic from others. |
| 00:37.20 | Aurora_v_kosmose | Servers are routed, rather than bridged. |
| 00:37.47 | RoyK | Aurora_v_kosmose: apt install ufw ; ufw enable # done |
| 00:37.52 | another | i have a separate VM for doing NAT for internal VMs |
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| 00:38.47 | RoyK | NAT will be outdated quite soon with the coming of IPv6. I look forward to that |
| 00:39.08 | RoyK | it's no problem using local firewalls and it *will@ be safer |
| 00:39.16 | RoyK | it's no problem using local firewalls and it *will* be safer |
| 00:39.17 | Aurora_v_kosmose | I'm not particularly fond of the increased network fingerprint that'll allow. |
| 00:39.23 | another | *laughs in dualstack* |
| 00:40.11 | RoyK | Aurora_v_kosmose: you need at least one open port (publically) to fingerprint with nmap - just don't open one - or just make sure the firewall is tightly setup |
| 00:40.12 | another | i don't expect v4 going away any time soon |
| 00:40.28 | ratrace | carrier grade NAT ftw! |
| 00:40.39 | RoyK | then use NAT for ipv4 and everything else n IPv6 |
| 00:40.56 | RoyK | ratrace: heh - luckily I don't have that here ;) |
| 00:41.37 | Aurora_v_kosmose | My IPv6 hosts get traffic routed from an open nginx instance. |
| 00:41.59 | another | shares his IPv4 with several hundered other people |
| 00:42.32 | RoyK | shares his IPv4 address with noone ;) |
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| 00:43.36 | another | uuuh, look at Mr. Fancy Pants here! Having his own public IP! |
| 00:44.05 | RoyK | another: please - it's not uncommon |
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| 01:05.38 | genr8_ | well the /etc/systemd/journald.conf ForwardToConsole=yes TTYPath=/dev/tty10 worked |
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| 01:06.13 | genr8_ | but the console=/dev/tty12 in general did NOT work... it just hung my boot after the little penguins with a blinking - |
| 01:06.27 | genr8_ | (passing via grub kernel param) |
| 01:07.05 | genr8_ | I believe i'm using an EFI FBcon, and I dont know how to get back to /dev/console or /dev/tty0 once X boots |
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| 01:08.11 | RoyK | genr8_: it probably worked, but sent the whole console to tty10 instead of the console ;) |
| 01:08.46 | genr8_ | I couldnt ctrl-alt-tab at that point. |
| 01:08.58 | genr8_ | I wanted systemd on 10 and kernel on 12 |
| 01:09.27 | genr8_ | keep in mind i have no idea what im doing |
| 01:09.39 | dka | I am on linux Debian Buster with Kernel 5.7. I have tried to upgrade to 5.8 using backport, but had to downgrade since acpi-call-dkms existing install with code 1. Since then, I have a Fucki*** issue with Chrome not displaying properly in full screen. It freeze, but you can unfreeze by removing the full screen, it seems to be a video issue, a bad video issue, how can I troubleshoot? I already checked on google and now I don't see any issue |
| 01:09.39 | dka | other than reinstalling debian. |
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| 01:10.39 | genr8_ | reinstall your DKMS nvidia drivers |
| 01:12.30 | genr8_ | nevermind. sounds like some DKMS video driver thing tho |
| 01:13.28 | genr8_ | I guess you have to find out which video drivers are actually in use first |
| 01:15.01 | genr8_ | dka, oh. i see now that "acpi-call-dkms" is a package. When you upgrade to 5.8 from backports, you also need to manually install those dkms packages from backports |
| 01:15.18 | dka | I did, but the "stable" is not |
| 01:15.28 | dka | it fail with exit code 1. I can't install it without error. |
| 01:15.51 | genr8_ | perhaps you need to reboot on the 5.8 kernel first, then install it so it works |
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| 01:16.18 | genr8_ | all the dkms packages need to be from backports so it matches the kernel though |
| 01:16.19 | dka | perhaps, that's not what they say online |
| 01:16.34 | genr8_ | do you believe everything you read online ? |
| 01:16.54 | dka | yes it was, it is really because it fail to install, it's true to say I didn't reboot, but I can assure you this was the acpi-call-dkms from backport |
| 01:17.11 | genr8_ | I believe you |
| 01:17.15 | dka | Are we talking offline? ^^ |
| 01:17.24 | dka | I can try, i can try to reinstall chrome, I'll try thenm |
| 01:17.35 | dka | It's better than not trying anything. |
| 01:17.48 | genr8_ | reinstalling chrome wont do much |
| 01:18.05 | genr8_ | theres a ton of back end video stuff that it relies on |
| 01:18.21 | genr8_ | MESA, video drivers, XORG |
| 01:18.52 | genr8_ | its possible you need a matching backport version of those as well |
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| 01:57.57 | Aurora_v_kosmose | I can confirm the Buster version is responsible for broken to-port option in firewalld. |
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| 02:32.32 | genr8_ | you mean you upgraded to the backport version ? |
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| 10:01.52 | Fromhell | hallo have this problem |
| 10:01.53 | Fromhell | https://paste.debian.net/1168079/ |
| 10:02.58 | azeem | Fromhell: what's the probelm? /proc isn't a real file system and some or all of those errors are expected I guess |
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| 10:03.41 | Fromhell | azeem |
| 10:03.42 | ratrace | Fromhell: if that's a plesk server, consult plesk documentation on how it configures the system |
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| 10:04.42 | Fromhell | https://paste.debian.net/1168080/ |
| 10:05.22 | ratrace | Fromhell: panels of that kind tend to make the distro under it a ..... derivative experience, and derivatives aren't supported here |
| 10:05.29 | Fromhell | i remove plesk no files , try to see there but there permission denied but i am root :) |
| 10:05.47 | ratrace | Fromhell: you also have plesk apt repos there which are in conflicting.... that's really not a proper Debian system |
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| 10:06.43 | Fromhell | ratrace what can i do ? whithout reinstalling system |
| 10:07.10 | ratrace | Fromhell: purge every change that plesk made, reinstall packages from proper debian repos, where possible, uninstall packages that aren't in debian repos |
| 10:07.15 | Haohmaru | grow beard x_x |
| 10:07.35 | ratrace | yea, a unix flavored neckbeard is a plus :) |
| 10:07.36 | themill | You might be able to convince ##plesk to help |
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| 10:33.46 | dob1 | is there any commnad line tool that can delete an interval from an mp3 ? |
| 10:34.48 | ratrace | maybe ffmpeg |
| 10:36.16 | Haohmaru | expect a artifacts ;P~ |
| 10:36.33 | dob1 | I found mp3cut too |
| 10:36.55 | Haohmaru | truncating from the back would be easy probably |
| 10:37.14 | genr8_ | it doesnt like to just "snip" . i used to use something on windows called MP3DirectCut. it says its supported in Wine |
| 10:37.21 | Haohmaru | note that a specific duration may not be possible |
| 10:38.19 | genr8_ | it rounds to the best nearest tenth or twentieth of a second or so, |
| 10:38.42 | Haohmaru | i'd think it rounds in numbers of samples, not time |
| 10:38.50 | genr8_ | yea |
| 10:38.54 | Haohmaru | "frames" even |
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| 10:39.01 | genr8_ | it amounts that much time in frames |
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| 10:41.12 | genr8_ | Each frame has constant time length 0.026 sec. |
| 10:42.46 | genr8_ | 1/38.4th of a second :P |
| 10:43.41 | genr8_ | looks like the mp3cut tool is in poc-streamer package |
| 10:43.45 | Haohmaru | no bruh, that's a result |
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| 10:43.52 | genr8_ | what |
| 10:43.58 | Haohmaru | depends on the sampling rate |
| 10:44.08 | genr8_ | apparently not |
| 10:44.24 | Haohmaru | really? |
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| 10:46.47 | genr8_ | ah you're right. that was for 44.1Khz |
| 10:47.20 | genr8_ | its fixed @ 1152 samples per frame divided by 44100 samples per second. |
| 10:47.36 | Haohmaru | the encoding uses FFT, so it works in blocks |
| 10:48.01 | Haohmaru | FFT doesn't care nor know anything about frequencies, it works from 0 to nyquist |
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| 11:20.04 | _NiC | I'm trying to pin a set of packages to a certain version with priority 1001, and I noticed that I need to have the epoch specified, is this as it should, or am I missing something? I.e. "Pin: version 3.0*" does not work, while "Pin: version 1:3.0*# does. |
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| 11:20.39 | _NiC | Sorry, cat on keyboad, s/#/"/ |
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| 11:23.10 | Haohmaru | let the cat configure it! |
| 11:23.39 | _NiC | He's retired :-\ |
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| 11:29.39 | otisolsen70 | Using Debian as my primary desktop. Which browser can I use for general purpose browsing that is considered safe and secure? (Debian 10) Is firefox-esr the one to go with? |
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| 11:33.12 | NetTerminalGene | otisolsen70: yes |
| 11:33.28 | otisolsen70 | NetTerminalGene, ok. What about chromium? Is that secure as well? |
| 11:33.36 | NetTerminalGene | you can use ublock origin and noscript for further security |
| 11:34.10 | _NiC | I also see that *:3.0* doesn't work either :-\ |
| 11:35.24 | otisolsen70 | NetTerminalGene, sure. But I want to make sure that I use a browser that actually receives timely security updates. Can I use both firefox-esr or chromium? Or only firefox-esr? |
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| 11:35.52 | Haohmaru | you can use whatever you want, it's your computer, right? |
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| 11:36.34 | NetTerminalGene | otisolsen70: as far as i know chromium debian package doesn't get timely security updates |
| 11:36.48 | otisolsen70 | NetTerminalGene, ok. I will just keep using firefox-esr then. Thanks! |
| 11:36.53 | NetTerminalGene | yes |
| 11:37.10 | NetTerminalGene | you can harden firefox's security with firejail |
| 11:37.46 | otisolsen70 | NetTerminalGene, will look into that. Is that different from the containers extension? |
| 11:38.37 | NetTerminalGene | otisolsen70: it's not a firefox extension. and no it is sanbbox software |
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| 12:13.35 | taman | I've been looking at <https://www.wireguard.com/quickstart/> and <https://wiki.debian.org/WireGuard>. After pondering these long enough I wonder, is there a site about wireguard that is helpful? |
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| 12:20.40 | Bushmaster | Hi folks, I have recently purchased a refurbished Dell Latitude E5410 laptop, good folks in here especially jmcnaught few days ago helped me to establish wifi in my newly installed Debian Buster...I now having new set of issues, wifi is not working is my first guess, cos the blue light is not turned on... is there a way to find out whether the build in wireless is out of order by utilizing Linux commands? |
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| 12:26.09 | iamjfk11 | bushmaster i think you have special key on keyboard to radio on/off |
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| 12:28.31 | RoyK | Bushmaster: rfkill should show its status |
| 12:28.51 | Bushmaster | iamjfk11, thanks for replying, to be honest with you, I do not see any especial combination, there is something called Fn in blue right by space bar, and then you have F1 - F12 with some blue signs in them, like battery, DCP, SysReg etc so I trust Fn+ SysReq do some task etc, but cant figure out how wifi to turn on, only thing i see to turn on wifi is software, in task bar, connection and then movbe that radio to turn on and i did that with |
| 12:28.51 | Bushmaster | no luck |
| 12:29.05 | Bushmaster | RoyK let me check |
| 12:29.46 | Bushmaster | RoyK, it says command not found? Do I need to get into root to utilize that command? |
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| 12:30.39 | RoyK | Bushmaster: I don't think so, but you might want to install the rfkill package first |
| 12:31.14 | Bushmaster | RoyK, let me try |
| 12:31.20 | RoyK | Bushmaster: hm - it's under /usr/sbin/, so you might need to be root, yes |
| 12:32.34 | iamjfk11 | bushamster the switch is lateral |
| 12:32.45 | Bushmaster | RoyK, I got it installed and utilized the command you provided, let me send you as pastebin |
| 12:33.07 | iamjfk11 | https://josiahhandley.typepad.com/blog/2012/06/dell-latitude-bluetooth-e5410-turn-on.html |
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| 12:34.06 | Bushmaster | RoyK, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/JMFNKkmGGF/ |
| 12:34.19 | Bushmaster | iamjfk11, let me check the link |
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| 12:34.48 | iamjfk11 | rfkill unlock all |
| 12:35.40 | iamjfk11 | rfkill unblock all |
| 12:35.42 | iamjfk11 | sry |
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| 12:36.20 | Bushmaster | iamjfk11, sorry my friend, that link was not much help, let me utilize the command you just typed |
| 12:36.36 | Haohmaru | hm, reboot is also in /usr/sbin and you don't need to be root to use it ;P~ |
| 12:37.11 | iamjfk11 | the image is at the bottom of the page |
| 12:37.40 | Bushmaster | iamjfk11, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/S9cMCN5vCd/ |
| 12:38.19 | Bushmaster | iamjfk11, i have seen that image, make not much sense, or does not resemble my laptop, let me check again |
| 12:39.52 | iamjfk11 | rfkill unblock all |
| 12:39.57 | Bushmaster | iamjfk11, you are right my friend, after carefully looking at the image and carefully check the machine, i found that lateral switch you mentioned, and wifi is on, thanks a million, what are the commands that can check wifi is working, list of activity etc? |
| 12:40.37 | Bushmaster | now that wifi is back on, do i need to utilize rfkill unblock all iamjfk11 ? |
| 12:40.37 | iamjfk11 | iwconfig wlan0 |
| 12:40.56 | iamjfk11 | rfkill list all |
| 12:41.00 | iamjfk11 | to see the state |
| 12:41.06 | Bushmaster | let me utilize, wonderful people, love Linux, love Debian |
| 12:41.23 | Bushmaster | hang on friends |
| 12:41.41 | Bushmaster | do i utilize rfkill unblock all iamjfk11 ? |
| 12:42.39 | iamjfk11 | ... no |
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| 12:43.32 | iamjfk11 | we are also offtopic |
| 12:43.37 | iamjfk11 | :) |
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| 12:44.04 | Bushmaster | iamjfk11, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/HMtTfrFD6w/ it says no such device with iwconfig wlan0 |
| 12:45.46 | iamjfk11 | the name of interface are not the same |
| 12:45.51 | iamjfk11 | yur is wlan |
| 12:45.58 | iamjfk11 | iwconfig wlan |
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| 12:47.55 | Bushmaster | iamjfk11, let me utilize again |
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| 12:49.07 | Bushmaster | iamjfk11, same thing https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/dcY2577Dxt/ |
| 12:49.21 | Bushmaster | so it cant locate wlan yet its connected wireless, very weird |
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| 12:51.01 | iamjfk11 | apt-get install net-tools |
| 12:51.10 | Bushmaster | also I ran into this problem, anyone wanna comment on that https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/3fCVbH4p5F/ |
| 12:51.21 | Bushmaster | iamjfk11, let me install |
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| 12:51.56 | Bushmaster | iamjfk11, done, net-tools installed |
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| 12:52.17 | iamjfk11 | try iwconfig |
| 12:52.22 | iamjfk11 | and ifconfig |
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| 12:53.09 | Bushmaster | okay |
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| 12:54.13 | iamjfk11 | but why do you want to configure the wifi from the command line? |
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| 12:54.38 | Bushmaster | iamjfk11, here is the output https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/kCnHs6Bgtb/ |
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| 12:55.11 | Bushmaster | no, i just thought, i utilize or know commands to check the status and stats of wi-fi |
| 12:55.56 | Bushmaster | them last two commands you gave, do they reflect my wifi connection? |
| 12:56.00 | RoyK | iamjfk11: or use ip instead of ifconfig, since the latter went out of style some years back ;) |
| 12:56.03 | LtL | Bushmaster:your missing firmware looks to be in firmware-misc-nonfree. edit /etc/apt/sources.list and append contrib and non-free to EACH line, apt update. then apt update and apt install firmware-misc-nonfree - reboot |
| 12:56.31 | LtL | err no need to update tice |
| 12:56.38 | LtL | *twice |
| 12:56.55 | Bushmaster | LtL, that is advance task hehehe, i will re-read your instructions and do it carefully now |
| 12:57.18 | Bushmaster | RoyK, and iamjfk11 shall I type ip in command line then |
| 12:57.20 | LtL | Bushmaster:it's very simple. |
| 12:57.54 | Bushmaster | LtL, let me try |
| 12:57.57 | LtL | Bushmaster:you want 'ip a' or ip -c a |
| 12:58.16 | Bushmaster | okay let me do the IP first and then source list |
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| 12:59.59 | Bushmaster | LtL, from these https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/56r5jtfwZQ/ which one reflects wifi ? |
| 13:01.03 | Bushmaster | LtL, number 2 right? enp11so? iamjfk11 and RoyK https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/56r5jtfwZQ/ |
| 13:01.13 | genr8_ | no. |
| 13:01.29 | genr8_ | "wlp2so" "wireless lan" |
| 13:01.37 | iamjfk11 | e = ethernet |
| 13:01.40 | iamjfk11 | w = wifi |
| 13:01.45 | Bushmaster | genr8_, let me check back |
| 13:02.36 | Bushmaster | there is no w iamjfk11 |
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| 13:03.01 | genr8_ | the first command should have made it obvious. |
| 13:03.48 | genr8_ | enp11s0 no wireless extensions. |
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| 13:03.55 | genr8_ | wlp2s0 IEEE 802.11 ESSID:"TALKTALK4151F9" <-- thats wireless |
| 13:04.20 | Bushmaster | genr8_, ip -a list 1 lo 2, enp11so and 3, wlp2so |
| 13:04.46 | Bushmaster | genr8_, let me check |
| 13:04.48 | iamjfk11 | enp11so = ethernet = e |
| 13:05.03 | iamjfk11 | wlp2s0 = wireless = w |
| 13:06.52 | genr8_ | the "iwconfig" is only for wireless. cause of the I W |
| 13:07.25 | Bushmaster | very gooood, iamjfk11 genr8_ very powerful commands, iwconfig does reveal a lot, and so do ip a and ip -c a |
| 13:08.17 | genr8_ | you have to get used to scanning text for clues |
| 13:09.46 | Bushmaster | so basically, for me to lets say SSH from another machine, i need that 192.168.1.28 for wireless transfer and 192.168.1.29 for ethernet transfer right genr8_ and iamjfk11 |
| 13:10.06 | genr8_ | yea |
| 13:11.07 | RoyK | hm - what is fdaa: ? someone NATing ipv6 or something? |
| 13:11.38 | Bushmaster | now let me address that source list issue LtL |
| 13:12.00 | Bushmaster | thanks genr8_ iamjfk11 and RoyK much appreciated |
| 13:12.20 | genr8_ | looks like some kind of automatic ipv6 generated based on mac address |
| 13:12.36 | genr8_ | but theres two of them. so idk. |
| 13:13.07 | LtL | Bushmaster:if everything works you may not need to bother. |
| 13:14.08 | Bushmaster | LtL, there are two source list files, one is called source.list and another one source.list.save |
| 13:14.12 | LtL | Bushmaster: i refer to this warning, W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/tigon/tg3_tso5.bin for module tg3. its only a warning |
| 13:14.36 | iamjfk11 | Unique Local Addresses (ULAs) fdaa: |
| 13:14.50 | ratrace | ,file /lib/firmware/tigon/tg3_tso5.bin |
| 13:14.55 | LtL | Bushmaster: sources.list is what you wany, *.save is a backup |
| 13:14.56 | judd | Search for /lib/firmware/tigon/tg3_tso5.bin in buster/amd64: firmware-misc-nonfree: lib/firmware/tigon/tg3_tso5.bin |
| 13:14.58 | Bushmaster | LtL, yes well everything works, as far i see, let me run upgrade again before carrying out source list ammendment |
| 13:15.05 | iamjfk11 | not public address space |
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| 13:16.42 | Bushmaster | LtL, I get this before editing source list as you advised, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/YBzHhSqYb2/ so shall I leave it ? |
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| 13:17.03 | genr8_ | RoyK, this is why I disable that stuff. its probably coming from his router. making up addresses |
| 13:17.34 | LtL | Bushmaster: you are using ppa's, not supported here. bad idea. |
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| 13:18.29 | Bushmaster | LtL, i had to utilize PPA to install MariaDB |
| 13:18.47 | Bushmaster | latest version of MariaDb and Java SE 14 |
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| 13:19.06 | Bushmaster | oh no it was for JavaSE JDK 14 yes, I remember now LtL |
| 13:19.08 | genr8_ | Ubuntu is not Debian. its not guaranteed to work. |
| 13:19.33 | Bushmaster | genr8_, so there is nothing wrong in my system so far, right? |
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| 13:19.43 | genr8_ | you tell me |
| 13:19.45 | Bushmaster | Oh no, i do not like Ubuntu |
| 13:20.23 | Bushmaster | well, I am not an expert, but looks perfect although that upgrade was an issue last night but now it does not show all those firmware issue |
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| 13:24.04 | iamjfk11 | bushmaster if you want some advice, comment the unofficial repositories and use them only if you need to update mariadb |
| 13:26.22 | genr8_ | ,v mariadb-server |
| 13:26.23 | judd | Package: mariadb-server on amd64 -- jessie: 10.0.32-0+deb8u1; jessie-security: 10.0.38-0+deb8u1; stretch-security: 10.1.26-0+deb9u1; stretch-security: 10.1.37-0+deb9u1; stretch: 10.1.45-0+deb9u1; buster: 1:10.3.23-0+deb10u1; bullseye: 1:10.3.24-2; sid: 1:10.3.24-2; buster-security: 1:10.3.25-0+deb10u1; experimental: 1:10.4.14-1~exp1; sid: 1:10.5.5-3; sid: 1:10.5.6-1 |
| 13:26.45 | genr8_ | no backport :/ |
| 13:27.46 | Bushmaster | iamjfk11, give me few minutes, i will pasebiin you the source list, will make more sense then |
| 13:28.23 | genr8_ | that mariadb one seems ok. its an official mirror and debian buster supported |
| 13:28.47 | Bushmaster | MariaDB latest version is installed, and I do not need future update, same apply to Java SE JDK 14 |
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| 13:29.37 | Bushmaster | well Debian buster came with OpenJDK and I needed Oracle JDK hence I replaced it with JavaSE 14 |
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| 13:31.13 | genr8_ | id leave the mariadb one. they can update the 10.5.6 to 10.5.7 in a couple months. |
| 13:32.33 | RoyK | genr8_: I don§t know what fdaa: even represents - tried googling it, but couldn't find anything. Do you reach the internet on ipv6? |
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| 13:32.59 | genr8_ | no |
| 13:33.04 | genr8_ | its a local address |
| 13:33.21 | genr8_ | its "fd" prefix. the aa is just made up. you can see the rest of it is aa bb cc dd ee |
| 13:33.24 | RoyK | doesn't look like a local address - those are typically fd80:: |
| 13:33.39 | genr8_ | its all fdXX |
| 13:33.44 | RoyK | ok |
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| 13:34.06 | RoyK | genr8_: perhaps your ISP doesn't support IPv6 at all? |
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| 13:34.21 | genr8_ | this isnt about me |
| 13:34.26 | RoyK | ok |
| 13:35.52 | genr8_ | theres no good reason for his computer to have 3 IPv6 addresses for ethernet and 2 for wireless |
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| 13:37.08 | genr8_ | It could be NAT as you said. it could also be something weirder. |
| 13:37.27 | RoyK | if the machine gets IPv6 from ND, which is usual, and it uses IPv6 privacy extensions, which is normal, then temporary more addresses may be assigned to a single interface |
| 13:37.50 | RoyK | genr8_: AFAICS, NAT uses a separate address range |
| 13:38.00 | Bushmaster | iamjfk11, genr8_ https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/wbpgqSZ66K/ My source list, i did not do anything to it yet, any advise what needs doing? |
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| 13:38.34 | Bushmaster | genr8_, is there issue with my network details I trust RoyK and genr8_ are analyzing it |
| 13:39.07 | genr8_ | its beyond me. i give up. |
| 13:40.01 | iamjfk11 | Unique Local Addresses (ULAs) fdaa: not public address space |
| 13:40.20 | Bushmaster | genr8_, my wireless and eternet is working fine, so all I can say is thanks for bringing the connection back as far details listed in network, these are useful information and them commands are big help |
| 13:40.53 | Bushmaster | iamjfk11, did you look at my source list https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/wbpgqSZ66K/ everything okay right? |
| 13:41.43 | Bushmaster | iamjfk11, genr8_ i did not comment out the mariadb, it must have gone commented automatically |
| 13:42.05 | Bushmaster | shall i uncomment it, the last line in source list for mariadb to update genr8_ |
| 13:42.31 | genr8_ | no, it commented out the "src" source version only. the other one is enough to work |
| 13:42.43 | genr8_ | you could delete what it commented entirely. |
| 13:43.34 | genr8_ | also. the first two debian ones didnt have "contrib" , but the other ones do. so you should make them match. either put contrib or remove contrib |
| 13:43.34 | Bushmaster | okay, so i can delete the last line that was commented, yes, i see now, the line above is uncommented |
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| 13:43.43 | genr8_ | yea |
| 13:43.50 | Bushmaster | hang on genr8_ |
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| 13:45.57 | Bushmaster | genr8_, iamjfk11 this is the revised update of source list, after taking your advise, shall I save it then? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/2kZtT7dV82/ |
| 13:46.24 | genr8_ | yes |
| 13:46.54 | RoyK | even the thought of NATing IPv6 is sick, so I just hope nothing is doing that. |
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| 13:46.58 | Bushmaster | thanks a lot genr8_ really helpful |
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| 13:47.26 | genr8_ | np. if you add more, make sure the instructions always say debian. |
| 13:47.31 | Bushmaster | RoyK, is anything detected wrong in my network? |
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| 13:48.17 | Bushmaster | genr8_, well I may need to add SQL Server 2016 which is windows based RDBMS, I think you can install it in Debian but not sure |
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| 13:48.49 | genr8_ | sounds iffy |
| 13:48.56 | ratrace | Bushmaster: you can, there's fossy edition of it |
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| 13:49.04 | ratrace | I had the ..... unpleasure.... of using it. |
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| 13:49.58 | Bushmaster | ratrace, thanks, well if its not good idea, i will leave it, i can utilize it in windows 10 sitting right next to my Debian, I do not like windows, cos it takes lot of time even to start |
| 13:50.18 | RoyK | Bushmaster: lines 7-8 should have contrib and perhaps non-free as well |
| 13:50.35 | Bushmaster | RoyK, let me check |
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| 13:51.03 | ratrace | Bushmaster: there's no tooling. the command line sucks beyond any imagination, and the visual/gui tools are for paid editions only, afaik. unless you have some third party IDE that can be used to administrate it |
| 13:51.08 | Bushmaster | RoyK, let me re-edit it genr8_ and iamjfk11 |
| 13:51.42 | ratrace | and btw when I said "fossy" edition, I mispoke. I meant really "free" as in beer with conditions. |
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| 13:52.06 | Bushmaster | ratrace, that book by Murach SQL suggested it, I only needs it cos of future ADO.Net framework |
| 13:52.30 | genr8_ | he put contrib in already. and non-free is debateable |
| 13:53.54 | ratrace | Bushmaster: you can virtualize windows. you can download windows ISO from Microsoft officially. You can run it unpaid for a month, and then continue to do so and only be nagged by an "please register" text overlay in a corner of the screen. |
| 13:54.19 | genr8_ | and we're talking about the network cause theres 5 IP v6 addresses enabled for unknown purposes. I dont like auto adding stuff you dont need |
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| 13:55.16 | Bushmaster | RoyK, genr8_ iamjfk11 is this the final amendment then https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/PCnyqY2H5b/ shall i save it and leave it and then apt update apt upgrade? |
| 13:55.41 | genr8_ | I don't use non-free personally. |
| 13:56.11 | Bushmaster | RoyK, suggested hence I added it, as long as it is not going to cause issue in my Debian genr8_ |
| 13:56.43 | genr8_ | i wasnt here when you started, I think someone mentioned something about firmware |
| 13:56.47 | RoyK | Bushmaster: you can remove non-free if you don't want it |
| 13:56.53 | Bushmaster | ratrace, well I will need Oracle Virtual Box at one point, windows, well its mainly for ADO.Net, C# and SQL Server |
| 13:57.10 | ratrace | Bushmaster: nah, linux native qemu-kvm should suffice |
| 13:57.29 | Bushmaster | RoyK, will that cause issue if I leave it |
| 13:57.43 | RoyK | no |
| 13:58.07 | RoyK | but those lines should contain the same repositories |
| 13:58.09 | greycat | I'd say *most* Debian users have non-free and contrib enabled, for firmware and microcode. |
| 13:58.14 | Bushmaster | i will keep that non free in source list then RoyK cos i recall it was saying it cant access firmware before so it can solve it now |
| 13:58.30 | Bushmaster | hello greycat |
| 13:58.39 | Bushmaster | nice to see you after quite a while |
| 13:58.39 | RoyK | perhaps except security, that lacks some of the sub-repos |
| 13:58.53 | Bushmaster | okay I am keeping non free |
| 13:59.22 | genr8_ | you can get microcode from your UEFI, and you can use devices without firmware. |
| 14:00.48 | Bushmaster | ratrace, not sure about your last comment but here is what I am focused on HTML CSS JavaScript, PHP, Python and MySQL, Java, C#, Angular, Ruby on Rail, ADO.Net, ASP.Net, SQL Server 2016, Django and Jinja framework |
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| 14:00.54 | genr8_ | its not enabled by default for a reason |
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| 14:01.18 | Bushmaster | and for these ratrace I need to straddle between Linux and Windows although I do not like windows |
| 14:01.19 | ratrace | Bushmaster: my last comment was about "needing" Oracle Virtual Box |
| 14:01.34 | ratrace | Bushmaster: linux has its own, native hypervisor |
| 14:01.50 | ratrace | and bee sides, VB ain't even supported in Debian at the moment |
| 14:02.05 | Bushmaster | okay ratrace |
| 14:02.20 | genr8_ | virtualbox works fine |
| 14:02.57 | ratrace | third party packages may or may not work "fine", but they aren't officially offered or supported by Debian |
| 14:03.17 | genr8_ | he seems to like that. |
| 14:03.45 | Bushmaster | okay folks, thanks a lot, especially iamjfk11 genr8_ RoyK thanks a lot, and catch you later |
| 14:04.07 | genr8_ | enjoy |
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| 14:08.09 | genr8_ | https://qa.debian.org/popcon.php?package=intel-microcode <--- 16.54% for intel-microcode and 13.98% for AMD. |
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| 14:11.55 | genr8_ | i cant search for the firmware- packages |
| 14:12.10 | genr8_ | gonna guess its even lower than that |
| 14:13.22 | genr8_ | ~15% jives with my prior expectations. idk any better way to gauge it |
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| 15:53.33 | blackfox | ive got a mate desktop installed and most of the text and icons on the screen look small, is there a way to scale up everything by a little bit |
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| 15:54.03 | ectospasm | blackfox: look for increasing the DPI of your display |
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| 15:54.49 | ectospasm | The higher the DPI, icons will be scaled to match. I had a problem with KDE having fonts and icons too small, and I increased the DPI in software and it corrected that problem. |
| 15:55.08 | ectospasm | Well, not KDE, Qt apps. |
| 15:55.53 | blackfox | problem is i cant seem to find it anywhere |
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| 15:56.46 | ectospasm | blackfox: https://winaero.com/find-change-screen-dpi-linux/ |
| 15:57.00 | blackfox | thank you |
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| 16:48.45 | jim | I'm looking in snapshot.d.o for a 5.4 linux-image, and found at least one thing wrong: I click on linux-signed, see the available versions, there's a dir "5", click on that, and all the versions are 4.10 |
| 16:49.31 | jim | (but, if I instead click on linux-signed-amd64, I found what I'm looking for) |
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| 17:39.09 | recyclehero | hey guys |
| 17:39.23 | Twemlow | Y0 |
| 17:39.42 | recyclehero | I want to manually partiton debian for my openstack ansible deployement |
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| 17:39.47 | recyclehero | couple of questions |
| 17:40.13 | recyclehero | I want to put boot and swap out of lvm then do the ret with lvm |
| 17:40.15 | recyclehero | rest |
| 17:40.38 | recyclehero | is it important If I put swap at the end or beginning of disk? |
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| 17:50.31 | cybiko123 | I'd have to say no, but it's customary to put it after /boot, if it has a separate partition |
| 17:51.19 | recyclehero | cybiko123: thanks. but it will make a diffrence IMO if one puts it in lvm |
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| 18:29.44 | forester | Hullo. There is a PC with Intel 2 core and 2 Gb of RAM with ext4. Will an aufs be useful with this hardware? |
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| 18:30.19 | forester | There are 3 partitions: /, /home, /swap |
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| 18:44.45 | petn-randall | forester: So you want to use aufs for what exactly? |
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| 19:54.28 | plujon | Greetings! I have an old deb7 virtual machine, and I'd like to install make on it. What's the correct apt-source ? Is it: http://archive.debian.org/ wheezy main |
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| 19:54.46 | greycat | !wheezy sources.list |
| 19:54.46 | dpkg | Debian 7 "wheezy" is archived. A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for wheezy has one line: «deb http://archive.debian.org/debian wheezy main». Be sure to run «apt-get update». Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <mirrors> <apt-spy> and «man sources.list». |
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| 19:55.15 | plujon | greycat: Thanks; I'll try that. |
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| 19:55.27 | absinthe | !apt-spy |
| 19:55.27 | dpkg | The apt-spy utility can automatically create a list of APT data sources to /etc/apt/sources.list.d/apt-spy.list, based on bandwidth tests. Not part of the Debian 8 "Jessie" release due to bug #779468. See also <netselect-apt> <sources.list>. |
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| 19:58.19 | jim | was there ever a gcc-9 in buster? |
| 19:58.50 | greycat | ,v gcc-9 |
| 19:58.51 | judd | Package: gcc-9 on amd64 -- bullseye: 9.3.0-18; sid: 9.3.0-18 |
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| 19:59.15 | jim | I'm trying to -not- install that one :) |
| 19:59.45 | plujon | NO_PUBKEY 7638D0442B90D010; hmm... |
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| 20:00.33 | plujon | (KEYEXPIRED 1587841717 KEYEXPIRED 1557241909) hmm... |
| 20:00.47 | plujon | Maybe I should just change the system clock..? |
| 20:01.43 | greycat | https://wiki.debian.org/DebianSqueeze#FAQ has instructions for working around expired keys. The Wheezy page doesn't have those yet. Maybe the expiration is fairly new...? |
| 20:01.48 | jim | so it's clear there's not a gcc-9 in buster now, has there ever been one? like, from before buster was released? |
| 20:02.03 | greycat | jim: tracker. |
| 20:03.44 | plujon | 1557241909 is 2019-05-07 15:11:49 +0000 |
| 20:04.08 | plujon | 1587841717 is 2020-04-25 19:08:37 +0000 |
| 20:05.44 | greycat | ... right, can't check on mine because they're still configured to use http: and the stupid work firewall destroys it |
| 20:05.54 | jim | ok, the earliest gcc-9 that I can see, is version 9.2.1-30 on 29 Feb 2020 04:39:10 +0000, isn't that after buster was released? |
| 20:06.02 | greycat | yes |
| 20:06.42 | jim | hence trying to install gcc-9 on a buster is going to be problematic, and cause problems |
| 20:06.51 | greycat | just build upstream source |
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| 20:13.57 | plujon | grep . /etc/apt/apt.conf # Acquire::Check-Valid-Until false; |
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| 20:14.29 | plujon | # apt-update # W: GPG error: error: http://archive.debian.org wheezy Release: The following signatures were invalid |
| 20:14.33 | plujon | echo $? # 0 |
| 20:15.20 | plujon | apt-get install make # WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! make; Install these packages without verification [y/N]? |
| 20:16.42 | plujon | Does 'Acquire::Check-Valid-Until false' not "fix" authentication (meaning, make the date irrelevant)? |
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| 20:19.20 | greycat | Maybe you simply don't have the keys at all. |
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| 20:24.53 | GreatPumpkin | I upgraded to 10.6 or so , apt upgrade was fine but apt dist-upgrade is spitting grub-probe errors |
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| 20:25.51 | GreatPumpkin | grub-probe: error: disk 'lvmid/FlQj7y-GZ0K-etc-etc' not found |
| 20:26.02 | GreatPumpkin | I had to book into older kernel also |
| 20:26.57 | GreatPumpkin | now am on 4.19.0.9-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.19.118-2+deb10u1 |
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| 20:43.20 | bootdisk | hi, im using unattended-upgrades to keep my system updated, works fine! but i dont want to reboot the system , i have in the 50unattended-upgrades change Automatic-reboot to "false" from "true", but when im checking with "apt-config dump | grep -i reboot" automatic-reboot is still "true", how come? |
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| 20:46.45 | jim | greycat, ok, what if, instead of trying to install this gcc-9 stuff, I build the linux-image and headers (etc) packages with the compiler I already got? will they depend on stuff I got instead of some other compiler? |
| 20:46.50 | gpunk | check with systemd reload deamon thing |
| 20:46.57 | jhutchins | bootdisk: Maybe you need to reboot. |
| 20:46.59 | gpunk | bootdisk: for you |
| 20:47.16 | gpunk | systemd will then refresh it's unit files etc |
| 20:47.23 | bootdisk | gpunk, reload isnt working, restart does. |
| 20:47.34 | bootdisk | jhutchins maybe :( |
| 20:48.03 | jim | I'm trying to install the build stuff for the 5.4 kernel, because I'm trying to get v4l2loopback module working |
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| 20:49.04 | jim | and v4l2loopback hasn't been updated to work with anything later than 5.4 kernel |
| 20:49.05 | greycat | there are 5.x kernels in buster-backports. how are they built? |
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| 20:49.28 | gpunk | as usual greatgatsby :) |
| 20:51.08 | jim | greycat, the v4l2loopback module won't work with anything past kernel 5.4, which is why I'm trying to install that |
| 20:51.32 | greycat | So, why on earth do you believe that you need gcc-9 to do this? |
| 20:52.03 | jim | because the 5.4 linux-headers depends on that compiler |
| 20:52.12 | jim | so maybe it' |
| 20:52.36 | jim | is better if I build a 5.4 kernel with the gcc I got |
| 20:53.00 | gpunk | jim: "because the 5.4 linux-headers depends on that compiler" that is zeird . |
| 20:53.18 | gpunk | headers has never been dependent of a compiler version |
| 20:53.28 | gpunk | in any kind of software |
| 20:53.30 | greycat | ,depends linux-headers-5.8.0-0.bpo.2-686 --release buster-backports |
| 20:53.32 | judd | No package named 'linux-headers-5.8.0-0.bpo.2-686' was found in buster-backports/amd64. |
| 20:53.41 | jim | somehow it managed to |
| 20:53.48 | greycat | damn it judd |
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| 21:04.18 | bootdisk | found the "problem" |
| 21:05.01 | bootdisk | for some reason i have 50-unattended-upgrades and 51myunattended-upgrades |
| 21:05.09 | bootdisk | 51my... had "true" |
| 21:05.25 | bootdisk | changed it to false, now it shows false |
| 21:08.06 | tomreyn | 51myunattended-upgrades is not a file provided by any debian package. the name suggests that whoever set up this system created it. |
| 21:08.38 | tomreyn | https://github.com/imthenachoman/How-To-Secure-A-Linux-Server#steps-9 seems to be the only location discussing it. |
| 21:09.03 | tomreyn | (maybe this guide is what you were using?) |
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| 21:09.38 | bootdisk | ermh, not that i can remember :P |
| 21:09.45 | plujon | Is netstat.iso the Debian equivalent of Ubuntu's mini.iso? |
| 21:09.56 | plujon | s/netstat/netinst/ |
| 21:11.20 | bootdisk | tomreyn, im starting to remeber that "guide" now |
| 21:11.46 | n4dir | plujon: as the name suggests it downloads what needs to be installed from the net. Or at least most of it. |
| 21:12.08 | bootdisk | lol i even bookmarked that site :P |
| 21:12.12 | plujon | n4dir: Thanks; I was just wondering why it's 473 MB... |
| 21:12.39 | n4dir | that i don't know. |
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| 21:21.51 | plujon | Is a swap partition necessary in a VM? Can Debian 10 use an ordinary file for swap? |
| 21:22.45 | nkuttler | plujon: no. yes. |
| 21:23.03 | plujon | nkuttler: Thanks! |
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| 21:44.44 | deadrom | hi. specific reason /usr/sbin is not in PATH when I su? |
| 21:46.24 | deadrom | had to export it else dpkg-reconfigure would not be able to call update-initramfs for example |
| 21:48.30 | dvs | !buster su |
| 21:48.30 | dpkg | In buster, su no longer overrides PATH by default, requiring that you use "su -" or "su -l" for login shells (which is not really a new thing at all...). To approximate the previous behaviour, put "ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes" in /etc/default/su (create it). See https://wiki.debian.org/NewInBuster#Changes for details. |
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| 21:50.18 | tomreyn | "which is not really a new thing at all" should probably be in all caps, bold, and blinking |
| 21:53.39 | plujon | shutdown -h now # fails with exit status 0 ? |
| 21:54.18 | jhutchins | plujon: Define "fails". |
| 21:54.19 | plujon | Failed to set wall message, ignoring: Access denied\nFailed to power off system via logind: Access denied |
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| 21:54.41 | plujon | jhutchins: It prints those two messages and exits with status 0; the system doesn't power down. |
| 21:54.45 | jhutchins | plujon: One presumes you are running it as root? |
| 21:54.52 | plujon | Nope |
| 21:55.11 | plujon | nobody $ shutdown -h now |
| 21:55.24 | jhutchins | There ya go. |
| 21:55.30 | plujon | There ya go what? |
| 21:55.40 | jhutchins | plujon: sudo or su - |
| 21:55.47 | jhutchins | plujon: Run it as root. |
| 21:55.48 | joepublic | it does what nobody has permission to do (i.e., nothing) and exits successfully. |
| 21:55.50 | plujon | In that case shutdown will not fail. |
| 21:56.39 | jhutchins | plujon: This is intentional behavior. You would not want a random user on a multi-user system to shut down everybody's session. |
| 21:56.48 | plujon | Um.. That's strange. Commands that lack access usually exit non-zero as a way to indicate failure. |
| 21:57.23 | plujon | Consider: shutdown -h now || sudo shutdown -h now |
| 21:57.23 | jhutchins | plujon: But it failed successfully. It did what it was supposed to do. Return code 0. |
| 21:57.30 | plujon | Failed successfully? |
| 21:57.34 | plujon | chown nobody / |
| 21:57.40 | plujon | Does that exit with status 0? |
| 21:57.41 | jhutchins | Nonono |
| 21:57.49 | greycat | File a bug report. |
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| 21:58.17 | jhutchins | plujon: Man, don't even test that. |
| 21:59.45 | jhutchins | I dunno, it makes logical sense to me. The processes that actually failed were not the central process. |
| 22:01.00 | greycat | It's reasonable to expect that systemd would reject the message, and the /sbin/shutdown client program would report an error. So, file a bug report. |
| 22:01.27 | greycat | They may never change it, but it's reasonable to ask. |
| 22:01.41 | plujon | greycat: Thanks; where to file..? |
| 22:01.46 | greycat | *sigh* |
| 22:01.50 | greycat | !bts |
| 22:01.50 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. See also <apt-listbugs>, <reportbug>. http://wiki.debian.org/HowtoUseBTS |
| 22:02.08 | jhutchins | Actually, it would be great if it returned "you must be root", but I don't remember which program actually does that. |
| 22:02.34 | joepublic | "This failed, that failed, and you are not root." |
| 22:02.37 | greycat | I don't even think that's strictly accurate any more. There are probably facilities for non-root users to be allowed to request a system shutdown/reboot. |
| 22:03.31 | plujon | FTR: /sbin/shutdown is from systemd-sysv |
| 22:03.31 | jhutchins | greycat: There are, most GUIs allow a user to shutdown/reboot. |
| 22:03.47 | greycat | yeah, that's one of the cases I was thinking of |
| 22:03.49 | jhutchins | plujon: Possibly even earlier. |
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| 22:07.54 | plujon | Wow, https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues has 1.3k open issues |
| 22:08.08 | gpunk | jhutchins: those GUIs go thru the DE (kde, gnome etc) , and the DEs talk to "XDM" which runs as root, that's why regular user can use the shutdown command in general, unless the system is configured to allow a regular user to reboot the machine with his/her real own uid |
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| 22:32.05 | thorie | hi, my x windows froze but i still can ssh to my box, is there a way to restart x as root? |
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| 22:34.52 | gpunk | restart gdm/kdm ... with systemd |
| 22:35.00 | gpunk | systemctl ... |
| 22:35.16 | gpunk | thorie: ^^ |
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| 22:36.22 | thorie | thank you gpunk worked perfectly |
| 22:36.30 | gpunk | :) |
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| 22:49.27 | deadrom | xset -dpms is per session, right? |
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| 23:37.10 | leoni | How "good" is Debian? |
| 23:37.47 | jim | it's pretty good... |
| 23:38.54 | jim | it's very stable, very well tested, maints word very hard to keep it that way |
| 23:39.35 | rf-n00b | very good with some salt and lime |
| 23:39.36 | leoni | I've been using it for 2 months now. |
| 23:41.50 | leoni | Can't complain. |
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| 23:44.44 | mtlsw | leoni, I think pretty decent. |
| 23:45.05 | mtlsw | leoni, i would recommend the unofficial non-free(includes firmware) installer though. |
| 23:45.19 | mtlsw | leoni, a lot of users think debian chokes on unsupported hardware. |
| 23:45.23 | mtlsw | :) |
| 23:45.39 | joepublic | literally everything chokes on unsupported hardware |
| 23:45.54 | genr8_ | dont buy unsupported hardware |
| 23:46.07 | dka | I got issue when upgrading debian, this is the output: http://paste.debian.net/1168206/ |
| 23:46.10 | dka | any clue how I can fix it? |
| 23:46.18 | mtlsw | debian lacks support for a lot of hardware. So "non-free" is used to remedy that. |
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| 23:46.47 | mtlsw | "non-free" is part of debian right boys? hence that's a reason why unsupported then becomes somewhat "supported". Confusing to the new user. :) |
| 23:48.41 | genr8_ | theres a very good reason for it not being default. convincing people to default auto-install everything including the kitchen sink without knowing why is how you end up with ubuntu |
| 23:48.41 | mtlsw | leoni, fwiw, the unofficial installer is available from the debian download locations --- they're hosted on debian official servers -- this also adds some level of confusion to new users.... |
| 23:48.51 | dka | I have then manually upgraded linux-image-amd64 to use 5.8 : http://paste.debian.net/1168207/ but it fives Error! Bad return status for module build on kernel: 5.8.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 (x86_64) |
| 23:49.03 | dka | I am now still rebooting on 5.8, to see if that help |
| 23:49.16 | genr8_ | reboot first |
| 23:50.00 | genr8_ | i said that yesterday, remember |
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| 23:51.52 | rf-n00b | every system is only as good as the people setting it up/managing it |
| 23:52.05 | rf-n00b | unless we are talking Apple, that's just trash |
| 23:52.50 | dka | I have rebooted and now I still get this: http://paste.debian.net/1168209/ |
| 23:53.06 | dka | genr8_, yes you did, as I expected this didn't helped |
| 23:53.32 | genr8_ | well. thats unexpected then. |
| 23:53.44 | dka | how can a non working kernel with non upgraded dkms module can help to fix a previously stable kernel..... |
| 23:54.03 | genr8_ | thats not what happened. |
| 23:54.06 | dka | Of course, but to me it was, otherwise I would have fixed it like this. this is not expected that a kernel upgrade fail, it shouldn't be on backport |
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| 23:54.30 | genr8_ | your last paste shows you finally did the proper course of action. it just did not work for some other reason |
| 23:54.45 | genr8_ | and now im out of ideas |
| 23:54.49 | n4dir | recommending non-free repos or installers to people without them complaining about related problems sure is a bit odd |
| 23:55.05 | dka | Should I remind you the history? my debian was working super fine on 5.7, since this error, downgrading to 5.7 or keeping the upgrade to 5.8 keeps an issue with google chrome not being able to full screen or maximize without it's window freezing, but it's not crashed, I onloy need to minimize or to disable full screen |
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| 23:55.43 | dka | since 5.8 can't be instlled without failure of acpi-call-dkms from backport, I wanted to revert to 5.7, now I am stuck with this bad video issue and 5.8 can't help |
| 23:56.12 | genr8_ | well at least you tried. i cant answer why |
| 23:56.18 | dka | genr8_, that's what I was trying to explain to you yesterday. ^^ |
| 23:56.42 | dka | So is my debian ruined ? |
| 23:57.05 | genr8_ | idk |
| 23:57.16 | dka | dpkg: error processing package acpi-call-dkms (--configure):, installed acpi-call-dkms package post-installation script subprocess returned error exit status 10 |
| 23:57.16 | dpkg | dka: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 23:57.21 | genr8_ | Consult /var/lib/dkms/acpi-call/1.1.0/build/make.log for more information. |
| 23:57.27 | dka | perhaps maybe I can get the log from this crash? |
| 23:57.34 | genr8_ | sure |
| 23:57.57 | dka | dpkg, /var/lib/dkms/acpi-call/1.1.0/build/make.log |
| 23:57.57 | dpkg | dka: wish i knew |
| 23:57.59 | dka | Oups |
| 23:58.03 | dka | http://paste.debian.net/1168210/ |
| 23:58.42 | genr8_ | the bottom gives instructions |
| 23:58.59 | dka | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:59.06 | dka | and I am not |
| 23:59.14 | sponix | dkms is a source build though |
| 23:59.14 | genr8_ | DKMS requires the kernel source, so yes, you are. |
| 23:59.44 | genr8_ | cd /usr/src/linux-headers-5.8.0-0.bpo.2-amd64; make oldconfig && make prepare |