| 00:03.55 | wyoung | sponix: I'm alive, will I do? |
| 00:05.19 | alex11 | am also alive |
| 00:05.24 | alex11 | ...i think |
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| 00:13.00 | genr8_ | help i'm alive |
| 00:13.10 | rawtaz | lo |
| 00:13.22 | dvs | oh noes! |
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| 00:15.24 | rawtaz | 31 |
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| 00:58.57 | c-c | Linpeas any good with debian? |
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| 01:06.49 | sney | c-c: I looked it up, and apparently it's a security tool, but the installation nstructions tell you to pipe curl to bash >_< |
| 01:07.25 | sney | anything that targets linux in general, or ubuntu/parrot/kali etc will also broadly apply to debian. but this looks like it's probably dumb, anyway. if you want to harden your system, define a threat model and be specific |
| 01:08.39 | sponix | wyoung: well, it was a continuation from a prior user/conversation between dka a user and I |
| 01:08.56 | wyoung | Ah, OK |
| 01:09.45 | sponix | wyoung: this user had a broken kernel 5.8 from backports issue -- I just looked at their ixni report again and noticed now that it is most likely because they had sources from Buster Sid Ubuntu Xenial and others all mixed in |
| 01:09.58 | sponix | no wonder it broke |
| 01:10.09 | wyoung | :S Start from scratch IMO |
| 01:10.23 | wyoung | Are there many services and user data in it? |
| 01:10.31 | jim | hi, could someone help me locate an unsigned version of 5.4 kernel, in snapshot.debian.org? |
| 01:10.34 | wyoung | Or have you mounted them outside of it |
| 01:10.51 | sponix | wyoung: pretty sure they ended up doing that. But we attempted to help them for "hours" and missed that it was a "Franken Debian" problem |
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| 01:11.34 | sponix | jim: why from snapshot.debian.org and not just pulling it down with apt ? |
| 01:11.52 | c-c | sney: right |
| 01:11.52 | sney | 5.4 isn't anywhere currently |
| 01:11.55 | wyoung | Hey Jim!! |
| 01:12.01 | jim | hi :) |
| 01:12.08 | sponix | sney: Oh |
| 01:14.08 | wyoung | jim: I wish I knew the answer to your question. You have helped me out alot in the past. |
| 01:14.10 | jim | I'm aware... but it's on snapshot, but I can't find the images... also, could someone explain this logic to me: in order that I could be able to build v4l2loopback (which is 5.4 or under), in order to install the kernel headers, I also need to install the kernel images? |
| 01:14.47 | jim | is there any way to search that site? |
| 01:15.06 | jim | that might allow me to search it myself :) |
| 01:15.07 | sney | jim: well, if you're building a kernel module to use, you will also need to use the matching kernel |
| 01:15.19 | sney | the snapshot.debian.org front page has at least 2 search boxes iirc |
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| 01:16.09 | jim | and that's what I want to do, but it's asking me to install -all- of the images, plain, cloud, somethign else, and the unsigned version |
| 01:16.37 | sponix | jim: I can find 5.4 -- but not unsigned for some reason |
| 01:16.49 | sney | you are probably misinterpreting the output, at least a couple of those are likely metapackages |
| 01:16.50 | jim | same here |
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| 01:17.32 | jim | well I am hand-downloading package, so I can tell that by their siz |
| 01:17.33 | jim | e |
| 01:18.59 | sney | this looks unsigned http://snapshot.debian.org/binary/linux-image-5.4.0-1-amd64-unsigned/ |
| 01:19.03 | sponix | jim: https://snapshot.debian.org/binary/linux-image-5.4.0-3-amd64-unsigned/ |
| 01:19.19 | sponix | sney: I had to look at my packages to know how to search for it on the site :P |
| 01:19.44 | sney | I just went to 'l' and did a ctrl-f from my browser |
| 01:20.53 | sponix | sney: LOL -- well played |
| 01:22.25 | jim | thanks you two :) |
| 01:22.51 | sponix | jim: hope it works out well for you |
| 01:23.20 | jim | I hope so too |
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| 01:26.33 | sponix | sney: I'm gonna ride 5.8 for a while not until the dust settles on 5.9 ;) |
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| 01:26.41 | sponix | "while now" |
| 01:26.53 | tuxbts | hello |
| 01:27.04 | tuxbts | anyone available? |
| 01:27.22 | jim | wha choo meen?! |
| 01:27.43 | tuxbts | I mean i need some assistance, if anyone can help |
| 01:28.15 | jim | seriously... you might get a different result if you ask the original question (also, throw in as many informative details as you know) |
| 01:28.31 | sponix | tuxbts: you might just want to state your issue(s) as descriptively as possible |
| 01:29.59 | tuxbts | I did a fresh debian 10.6 install on my laptop after logging in on home screen as I do anything, even a click or app menu or open terminal, It starts to beep very loud |
| 01:30.35 | tuxbts | and the system becomes completely inoperable |
| 01:31.02 | tuxbts | then i have to force shutdown |
| 01:31.31 | jim | and its midnite and folks are asleep? so don wan no beep? |
| 01:31.37 | sponix | sney: I can't remember does the Debian install image double as a Live session ? |
| 01:31.39 | tuxbts | it seems to be a very rare issue as i couldn't find anything related to it on any forum |
| 01:32.32 | jim | sponix, some images (the multi gb ones) do, but there are small ones that just have an installer |
| 01:33.17 | sponix | tuxbts: how about you run a Live Linux session off of a USB Stick, and see if you still experience similar problems ? |
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| 01:33.40 | tuxbts | no no issue at all on any live medium i hv tried various distros |
| 01:34.11 | sponix | odd.. because it was really sounding like a hardware related issue |
| 01:34.36 | sponix | tuxbts: have you verified the checksum of the Debian iso you used to install with ? |
| 01:34.39 | tuxbts | i guess it something related to my nvidia card |
| 01:34.48 | tuxbts | yes verified it |
| 01:35.50 | sponix | tuxbts: well, outside of installing the nvidia binary drivers - not sure |
| 01:36.26 | tuxbts | is their anyway I can take logs of the issue?? |
| 01:37.21 | sponix | might try booting up in like "recovery mode" or similar |
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| 01:38.11 | tuxbts | okay |
| 01:39.01 | jmcnaught | jim: I just tested v4l2loopback-dkms 0.12.5-1~bpo10+1 on the current 5.8 kernel in buster-backports and it works here. |
| 01:41.06 | tuxbts | @sponix2ipfw: if i try the official iso will it have wifi drivers inbuilt or will i hv to manually install those? |
| 01:41.24 | tuxbts | @sponix: |
| 01:42.24 | sponix | tuxbts: odds are you want the non-official iso for those ( don't let the name scare you ) |
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| 01:47.42 | jim | jmcnaught, really, that's great news... so now I can stop hand downloading .debs... |
| 01:48.24 | jim | so it's in buster backports |
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| 01:49.11 | jmcnaught | jim: I was able to use the virtual camera in Discord, but not in Cheese. |
| 01:50.14 | jim | any idea if it works in obs? (well, gonna try it) |
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| 01:51.06 | jmcnaught | jim: do you mean if I can use the virtual camera as a source in OBS? Or something different? |
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| 01:53.08 | jmcnaught | jim: the virtual camera works as a source in OBS. |
| 01:53.35 | jim | there is a obs-v4l2sink module for obs |
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| 01:53.59 | jim | I don;t know much about it yet, never made it work |
| 01:54.44 | jmcnaught | I do not have that plugin. |
| 01:56.15 | jim | it's available on gitnub, I'll get you the address in a bit, if you're interested in mucking around with it |
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| 02:00.40 | tuxbts | @sponix: i did the same thing almost an year ago, but faced same thing so moved to ubuntu |
| 02:01.31 | sponix | tuxbts: if Debian for some reason will just not work out. I can't help but recommend giving "MX Linux" a try (vs Ubuntu or others) |
| 02:02.45 | tuxbts | mxlinux is mostly for xfce face i guess, and m more into gnome so, xfce extra stuff will be der |
| 02:03.12 | tuxbts | and does mxlinux support gnome 3.38 or 3.36? |
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| 02:06.50 | sponix | tuxbts: let me have a look |
| 02:07.09 | tuxbts | ok |
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| 02:10.09 | sponix | tuxbts: nope, it just has the default Debian stable gnome 3.30 |
| 02:10.54 | tuxbts | okie dokie |
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| 02:11.51 | Kurogane | Anyone can help with gnome + vnc? for some reason when i connect via vnc i see gray screen, i tried many configurations and not work always see gray screen. I'm using debian 10. |
| 02:12.20 | sponix | Kurogane: I use Teamviewer because it is simple |
| 02:15.23 | Kurogane | sponix, i not use teamviewer because i can't using 24/7 because teamviewer ban you because "think" is not personal use and i need to pay for " |
| 02:15.23 | Kurogane | business" |
| 02:17.16 | sponix | Kurogane: I see... I haven't used regular VNC in ages... I think there is "tigervnc" or so though |
| 02:17.26 | jmcnaught | Kurogane: are you using Wayland? Did you try logging in with Xorg? |
| 02:17.38 | sponix | Wonder if "Anydesk" has a similar use limitation |
| 02:17.55 | sponix | jmcnaught: I keep forgetting "Wayland" is a thing now |
| 02:19.01 | jmcnaught | I use Wayland and it works for me, but I do not use VNC. |
| 02:19.47 | Kurogane | What is wayland? |
| 02:19.50 | sponix | jmcnaught: pretty sure my Nvidia binaries still only work well with X -- that sound correct ? |
| 02:20.26 | sponix | Kurogane: It is another GUI base similar to Xorg -- newer though |
| 02:20.46 | jmcnaught | !wayland |
| 02:20.46 | dpkg | Wayland is a display server protocol and implementation library, intended as a simpler replacement for the X Window System. Ask me about <weston>. http://wayland.freedesktop.org/ #wayland on irc.freenode.net. |
| 02:21.15 | c-c | afaics Nvidia drivers have a wayland fork |
| 02:21.22 | jmcnaught | Kurogane: Wayland is now used by GNOME by default, but it works different than Xorg and capturing the entire screen is tricky with it. |
| 02:23.05 | jmcnaught | https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#apps-in-gnome-on-wayland |
| 02:24.02 | Kurogane | I just install gnome and (tigervnc/tightvnc) none of them work for me. |
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| 02:25.07 | jmcnaught | Kobaz: log out of GNOME, and on the login screen look for the gear icon under the password field. Select 'GNOME on Xorg' and log back in. |
| 02:26.20 | blackfox | im looking to install openvpn mullvad client, i did install the .deb file but didnt see it install, kernel 5.8 |
| 02:27.29 | sponix | blackfox: mullvad.net had directions on how to do it. follow them |
| 02:27.34 | sponix | "has" |
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| 02:29.57 | sponix | they also have the option to have the website generate a wireguard client config for you to connect to them -- I might just do that instead of installing their package |
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| 02:34.39 | Kurogane | jmcgnh, nop still see gray screen. |
| 02:36.16 | jmcnaught | Kurogane: in GNOME settings if you go to the Sharing section (left side-panel) does it have an option for screen sharing there? |
| 02:44.02 | Kurogane | gnome settings? i see a setting and there is sharing and there are some options, all are off except remote login. |
| 02:45.57 | jmcnaught | Kurogane: previously GNOME had the ability to share the screen with VNC, it was configured under Sharing settings. I do not have it, but maybe you do if you log in with Xorg instead of Wayland. |
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| 02:51.24 | Kurogane | I see the option, and enable but seems not working (can't connect) what is suppose is the port? because usual port not work. |
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| 02:54.12 | jim | jmcnaught, ok, do you have interest in obs at all? |
| 02:54.35 | jim | might as well get you this github thing if so |
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| 03:12.01 | jim | jmcnaught, found it. in case you develop an interest, https://github.com/CatxFish/obs-v4l2sink.git |
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| 03:18.07 | abff | is there an debian-installer specific channel? |
| 03:20.06 | abff | I've been setting up https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.en.html#usb-copy-flexible because I wanted to include a copy of my non-free firmware .deb on the same usb as the netinstaller. I get stuck at footnote number 4, where I copy the installation iso to the usb stick. Do I need to mount the iso after the installer runs? |
| 03:21.29 | abff | I was guessing while trying to do the install, I mounted the iso to /cdrom and /media but the mount command was complaining about loopback interfaces |
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| 03:39.56 | abff | I think I got lucky, it's working now. I created a second partition and dd'd the iso to that second partition, then I was able to mount it to /cdrom |
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| 03:50.34 | Urk | Can someone help me kill Chrome? it locked up. I tried using XKill, and it wouldn't kill it. How do I kill it using the PMID? |
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| 03:53.38 | RoyK | Urk: open terminal, run 'ps ax|grep -i chrome', the pid is in the first row, run 'kill -9 thatpid' |
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| 03:55.19 | maxtim | I have a dual boot system with Windows installed. When I `fdisk -l` I see that the Windows partition has the boot flag. What steps should I take to ensure Debian will boot if I were to delete the win partition? |
| 03:55.27 | Urk | RoyK> It still wouldn't kill it. |
| 03:58.08 | Urk | RoyK> I used killall chrome, and that got rid of it. |
| 04:03.42 | ax562 | I just added a new partition with a new OS. I'm running grub off of my Debian 11 partition. What would be the best way for Debian's grub to pick up my new OS and add it to the OS choice screen when I boot? |
| 04:04.07 | ax562 | I already have a dual boot system |
| 04:05.27 | mtlsw | ax562, debian 11? |
| 04:05.31 | mtlsw | ax562, since when? |
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| 04:05.38 | mtlsw | ax562, debian 11 is not yet out. |
| 04:13.14 | ax562 | testing |
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| 04:27.06 | RoyK | !debian-next |
| 04:27.07 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also https://wiki.debian.org/IRC and https://wiki.debian.org/GettingHelpOnIrc |
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| 04:32.07 | maxtim | I have a dual boot system with Windows installed. When I `fdisk -l` I see that the Windows partition has the boot flag. What steps should I take to ensure Debian will boot if I were to delete the win partition? Note* I understand that I must use a live disk in order to do any operations ahead. I'm not 100% sure where GRUB is installed |
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| 04:54.40 | derpadmin | maxtim, paste the output of fdisk -l |
| 04:54.58 | derpadmin | windows bootloader can load linux? that is news to me |
| 04:55.08 | derpadmin | maxtim, when you reboot, you see grub? |
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| 05:12.58 | maxtim | https://pastebin.com/bJ8Qefag |
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| 05:13.21 | maxtim | derpadmin, yes I see grub |
| 05:14.38 | derpadmin | so grub must be installed in the mbr (master boot record) |
| 05:14.43 | maxtim | I want to delete partition /dev/sda2, /dev/sda3, and /dev/sda4 and expand /dev/sda1 to include those |
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| 05:15.43 | derpadmin | sda4 is an extended partition |
| 05:15.57 | derpadmin | you will delete sda5 and your swap by doing so |
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| 05:16.09 | maxtim | aye, good point |
| 05:16.25 | derpadmin | so you want to trash windows? |
| 05:16.52 | maxtim | Oh I already have. I just want to utilize that space now |
| 05:17.41 | derpadmin | growpart and resize2fs will be your friend |
| 05:18.34 | maxtim | yes, I still am unsure about the boot flag. |
| 05:18.44 | maxtim | All that is ez |
| 05:18.54 | derpadmin | if you prefer a livecd with GUI, you can use gparted livecd |
| 05:19.09 | derpadmin | https://gparted.org/livecd.php |
| 05:19.43 | maxtim | Nah, I kinda have a love affair with System Rescue CD |
| 05:20.09 | mtlsw | maxtim, nerd |
| 05:20.11 | derpadmin | ah, love it too |
| 05:20.15 | maxtim | lol |
| 05:20.48 | derpadmin | so fdsik have an option "a" to toggle a bootable flag |
| 05:20.51 | mtlsw | I just downloaded/new sysrescue cd today .. I'm wondering what good I can do with it -- considering I am pretty well covered already just using gparted-live. |
| 05:21.32 | derpadmin | guess I need to download the latest version and put on my bootable key now |
| 05:21.34 | alex11 | i kind of just assume i can rescue a debian system with the installer |
| 05:21.35 | derpadmin | thanks guys LO |
| 05:21.39 | alex11 | i don't know if that's a false belief or not |
| 05:21.41 | maxtim | mtlsw, it's like having a tool that can do just one thing versus a tool that can do all of it |
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| 05:22.06 | mtlsw | I usually don't need more than a couple of utilities, which get updated with gparted-live .. |
| 05:23.01 | mtlsw | it's only like 300 megs more (twice) the size of gparted-live ... so whatever else I might be needing not on gparted, I guess I should find in sysrescue -- but can't think of anything. |
| 05:23.06 | derpadmin | ok, so fdisk, add bootable flag |
| 05:23.11 | derpadmin | growpart |
| 05:23.17 | derpadmin | and resize2fs |
| 05:23.20 | maxtim | so just make bootable flag to sda1 |
| 05:23.22 | derpadmin | we are done here? |
| 05:23.43 | derpadmin | yup |
| 05:23.46 | derpadmin | sda1 |
| 05:23.53 | maxtim | yeah, I mean that's what I was already thinking. I guess I just needed some confirm |
| 05:24.05 | mtlsw | gparted does that transparently.. much safer... it's too much a mess to calculate filesystem size and partition size. ---<<< ha you should know how many newbs fall for only doing ONE and not the other and then totally corrupt their filesystems. |
| 05:25.10 | maxtim | yeah.... I'd rather blame myself than another pice of software... mtlsw |
| 05:25.23 | maxtim | still gonna back, back, back it up! |
| 05:26.13 | maxtim | I heard this from someone on this channel: There are two types of people: those who have suffered a catastrophic data loss, and those who will. |
| 05:27.02 | maxtim | You ain't gonna F me again, data loss! Not Today Death! |
| 05:27.27 | mtlsw | you should see on reddit -- constantly -- users do one thing and not the other, make a new "Formatting" on a new parittion while it is actually overwritting an overlapped filesystem. |
| 05:27.29 | mtlsw | total mess. |
| 05:27.47 | mtlsw | my suggestion is just to use "gparted" unless you know what you're doing -- and you're right -- backing up is a good thing. |
| 05:28.51 | maxtim | I can't even imagine reddit these days... "The Horror..." |
| 05:29.17 | mtlsw | r/linux has climbed from 300k to 560k+ since Gplus has shutdown.. |
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| 05:30.08 | mtlsw | it's like doubled in size the last 2 years. Questions though are not on that particular reddit, but the fact that the size of r/linux has like doubled, quite tells something about the growing popularity of Linux |
| 05:30.45 | maxtim | I just wanna see jokes and cat memes on reddit. I sometimes look at r/WindowsTechSupport just for questions I might be able to answer. |
| 05:31.41 | maxtim | I've never said I was an expert with Linux. Wish I could, and perhaps that's an issue with linux, and Debian specifically. |
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| 05:32.06 | mtlsw | I dont browser reddit -- I just use a news aggregator to look at any titles that would interest me and then check things out |
| 05:32.18 | mtlsw | I never really use the "web portal" for browsing new topics. |
| 05:32.23 | mtlsw | I hate reddit in that way ;-) |
| 05:32.34 | mtlsw | that means I actually don't like memes. :) |
| 05:33.01 | maxtim | I read fairly recently that the Debian project has no issue with monies, but does have an issue with programmers. in that they simply don't have enough of them |
| 05:33.03 | mtlsw | it wastes too much my time to even care :)) |
| 05:33.29 | mtlsw | says you can use "rss" against subreddits. |
| 05:33.46 | maxtim | interesting fun fact... |
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| 05:34.07 | mtlsw | it'd be great if the debian-wiki+documentation was one project instead of two++ |
| 05:34.10 | maxtim | I kinda stopped using rss feeds a long time ago |
| 05:34.17 | mtlsw | I bet it would surpass the archwiki if that were the case. |
| 05:34.33 | maxtim | intersting notion |
| 05:34.44 | derpadmin | mtlsw, resize2fs with no size argument resize to the max of the partition available these days :) |
| 05:34.45 | mtlsw | maxtim, rss feeds have only grown into billion dollar bussinesses |
| 05:35.23 | mtlsw | maxtim, maybe they're not called rss up-front but you can export alot of those feed-services to .opml , and then import that into your rss app. Or even on your Android as well. |
| 05:36.08 | maxtim | mtlsw, i'll start looking at rss again. noted |
| 05:36.47 | mtlsw | derpadmin, you kind of missed my above example.. trying using it after shrinking a partition. A lot of noobs tend to forget to resize hte filesystem, and instead go ahead with adding partitions and formatting things. |
| 05:37.18 | derpadmin | ah, shrinking, yeah, that is more dangerous :) |
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| 05:38.18 | maxtim | Thanks for the discussion, ya'll. but it's way past my bedttime. l8r |
| 05:39.03 | mtlsw | haah |
| 05:39.09 | alex11 | i don't trust myself with partitioning at all |
| 05:39.15 | alex11 | it's scary |
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| 07:04.40 | dex1983 | hi |
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| 07:18.26 | genr8_ | I wanna make a complaint that someone look into rng-tools and making some kind of audit or transition plan |
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| 07:19.15 | Haohmaru | !complaints |
| 07:19.17 | alex11 | wishlist bug |
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| 07:21.17 | genr8_ | we have 3 different versions of rng-tools, two are version 2.x, one is 5.x, both the maintainers went to sleep, and there is a massive recent amount of activity on github by a 3rd guy that needs to be audited for correctness, and the concept of haveged and jitterentropy needs to be thought of as well |
| 07:23.27 | genr8_ | The official repo is up to v6.10 https://github.com/nhorman/rng-tools and multiple other distros are using it, and it has a lot of additional code that we don't have, but the complexity is at least 1 order of magnitude higher than our version |
| 07:23.52 | genr8_ | and since its crypto we need the big brains on duty |
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| 07:27.47 | Haohmaru | selects genr8_'s brain and presses ctrl+plus twice |
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| 07:31.11 | genr8_ | i started looking into it and exhausted my brain power for the night. |
| 07:31.50 | Haohmaru | gives genr8_ 24 RedBulls |
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| 07:34.34 | genr8_ | one of the cool new features is using an RTLSDR radio as an entropy noise source :) |
| 07:35.52 | Haohmaru | transmits some biased death-metal |
| 07:36.28 | genr8_ | you know you're right |
| 07:36.57 | genr8_ | your idea just occurs to me now that an outsider could theoretically attack and poison the entropy source that way |
| 07:38.11 | genr8_ | whoever pulls that off would be an instant legend ;p |
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| 07:39.05 | Haohmaru | and that obscure death-metal band would turn into billion-dollar pop stars |
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| 07:39.09 | alex11 | genr8_, but yeah, file a wishlist bug |
| 07:39.17 | Haohmaru | +1 |
| 07:40.52 | genr8_ | that goes to the maintainer though right? and I dont think they're paying attention :/ I guess i'll have to start somewhere |
| 07:41.31 | alex11 | if they just don't answer there's ways around that |
| 07:41.42 | alex11 | and it's better than talking about it here where nobody important (probably) will be looking at it |
| 07:41.59 | Haohmaru | yeah, this is mostly "users" here |
| 07:42.19 | alex11 | also what goes on b.d.o has more eyes on it than just the maintainer |
| 07:42.23 | alex11 | it's everybody's business |
| 07:42.45 | alex11 | though, use a disposable email; spammers use the bug database for spammy stuff |
| 07:43.01 | Haohmaru | aww |
| 07:43.18 | genr8_ | ok |
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| 11:26.35 | ytf0rd | HELP |
| 11:26.37 | ytf0rd | pls |
| 11:26.47 | ytf0rd | My hentia got corrupted |
| 11:26.53 | nuka | ytf0rd: hi |
| 11:26.58 | ytf0rd | it says error 567 |
| 11:27.04 | ytf0rd | Im on gnome |
| 11:27.22 | ytf0rd | My whole drive man |
| 11:27.40 | ytf0rd | my storage stuff is on lockdown |
| 11:27.45 | ytf0rd | they say I need to pay |
| 11:27.59 | ytf0rd | how to not pay and get files? |
| 11:28.12 | ytf0rd | ? |
| 11:29.12 | ytf0rd | help pls |
| 11:29.17 | ytf0rd | what to do? |
| 11:29.59 | azeem_ | what is hentia? |
| 11:30.17 | shtrb | typo on a type of video resource |
| 11:30.17 | ytf0rd | its a kinda of anime/manga |
| 11:30.18 | shtrb | ? |
| 11:30.30 | shtrb | error 567 from where ? |
| 11:30.30 | azeem_ | ytf0rd: how is this related to Debian? |
| 11:30.49 | ksk | !problem |
| 11:30.50 | dpkg | from memory, problem is something that can be solved, fixed or worked around if properly described. A good thorough description of the problem, with detailed steps of how to reproduce the problem, the produced output, and the expected output, is the best start to discuss a problem. |
| 11:30.50 | ytf0rd | because it happened on debian I installed a deb file and they did this |
| 11:30.58 | kopper | ytf0rd: Your hentai is ransomwared? |
| 11:30.59 | ytf0rd | they said wont have files until I pay them |
| 11:31.04 | kopper | Lol |
| 11:31.07 | ytf0rd | whole drive |
| 11:31.21 | ytf0rd | I was trying to download linux vr stuff and they did this |
| 11:31.22 | ksk | Should not have installed random .deb files from the net, maybe :) |
| 11:31.35 | shtrb | oh lord , you installed a .deb from somewhere and not just the debian repositories ?! |
| 11:31.37 | ytf0rd | I saw it on pirate bay |
| 11:31.47 | c-c | name? |
| 11:31.50 | ksk | !handbook |
| 11:31.50 | dpkg | The Debian Administrator's Handbook is at http://debian-handbook.info/ and can be browsed, bought and downloaded. From Debian 7 "Wheezy" onwards, it can also be installed from the debian-handbook package. Also ask me about <books> <docs>. PDF at https://debian-handbook.info/download/stable/debian-handbook.pdf |
| 11:31.51 | shtrb | ytf0rd, well , revert from backup |
| 11:31.56 | ksk | ytf0rd: I suggest you read the handbook |
| 11:32.18 | ytf0rd | its I cant get hentia vrs in the main repos |
| 11:32.29 | ytf0rd | how to get them in the main repos so dont need pirate bay? |
| 11:32.49 | shtrb | Do you mean hentai ? |
| 11:32.55 | ytf0rd | yes |
| 11:33.10 | ytf0rd | sorry english is poor come from india |
| 11:33.14 | kopper | Weekend has started |
| 11:33.39 | ytf0rd | what do I do to get files back need tool cant loose files important |
| 11:33.41 | ksk | ytf0rd: How about buying it from the vendor, if they offer linux version of this software? |
| 11:33.41 | shtrb | hentai , is just a term to describe videos, you don't need to have a .deb to watch a specific video |
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| 11:34.05 | ytf0rd | no I was downloading exes and running them in wine |
| 11:34.15 | ksk | ytf0rd: if your system is rooted and crypted, you cannot do anything. Restore from Backups. |
| 11:34.15 | ytf0rd | but then I gave wine permision over a whole drive |
| 11:34.17 | shtrb | facepalm |
| 11:34.18 | c-c | kopper: yes, even natively english countries lose language skills |
| 11:34.29 | queip | maybe he was attacked by randomware virus? that's quite an achievment to do on linux |
| 11:34.35 | queip | *ransomware |
| 11:34.38 | iamjfk11 | ytf0rd torrent hash ? |
| 11:34.53 | ytf0rd | it changed my background to a face of anonymouse |
| 11:34.59 | shtrb | queip , yes, wine become very good recently ! |
| 11:35.03 | ksk | queip: Im rather inclinded to say: Wine must be good, if ransomwe runs on it out of the box ;) |
| 11:35.04 | c-c | queip: first it was .deb, now its random .exe, and the whole deal is still trolling. |
| 11:35.08 | ytf0rd | help he is asking for money |
| 11:35.17 | kopper | c-c: I wasn't referring to his language skills. I was referring to the fact that his porn is ransomwared by installing something from PirateBay |
| 11:35.43 | c-c | I think my skills are best used elsewhere. |
| 11:36.27 | Haohmaru | o_O wut deee funk |
| 11:37.46 | another | c-c: they didn't say .deb |
| 11:37.57 | EdePopede | nice blueprint for a HOWNOTTODOIT |
| 11:37.59 | shtrb | another, he did |
| 11:38.10 | another | where? |
| 11:38.36 | EdePopede | 23.10 13:30:50 <ytf0rd> because it happened on debian I installed a deb file and they did this |
| 11:38.46 | EdePopede | "why in #debian" |
| 11:39.12 | another | ah, sry. missed that |
| 11:39.55 | EdePopede | so people are still behaving like in DOS times? |
| 11:41.55 | shtrb | Just an observation , India has the second largest english speaking population in the wold, you can now say that US and Indian dialects the proper English :D |
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| 11:53.08 | queip | how to start the damned Akonadi? |
| 11:53.19 | queip | kmail says it can't work since akonadi is not working |
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| 11:56.58 | azeem_ | maybe syslog tells you what's wrong with akonadi |
| 11:57.40 | queip | azeem_: which syslog? |
| 11:58.03 | ratrace | grep the journal |
| 11:58.35 | queip | ratrace: how? |
| 11:58.54 | queip | I'm not up to date with all the stupid "innovations" like systemd |
| 11:58.57 | ratrace | journalctl -b | grep -i akonadi |
| 11:58.59 | azeem_ | I guess akonadi is a user session thing so it might not help |
| 11:59.04 | queip | and //var/log/ doesnt have anything interesting |
| 11:59.13 | ratrace | sounds like you're not "up to date" with the "old" syslog eithre |
| 11:59.14 | shtrb | queip, akonadictl start |
| 11:59.30 | queip | ratrace: /var/log/syslog and alike right? nothing |
| 11:59.38 | queip | shtrb: as user? |
| 11:59.41 | shtrb | queip, yes |
| 11:59.42 | ratrace | queip: depends on your syslog config |
| 12:00.11 | shtrb | it's per user service EVEN if you had connected it to a server running mariahdb |
| 12:00.34 | ksk | ah, you do start it via "systemctl --user" then ;) |
| 12:00.35 | queip | shtrb: it complains mysqld not found. I removed akonadi...mysql and installed pgsql version, how tell it to switch? |
| 12:00.41 | shtrb | ksk , no ! |
| 12:00.45 | queip | though problem was also before switching to pgsql |
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| 12:00.56 | ksk | shtrb: :( |
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| 12:01.22 | shtrb | queip, what is your goal to change mysql to pgsql ? so akonadi would use pgsql internally ? |
| 12:01.44 | queip | shtrb: akonadi is so terrible, that kmail does not work with it |
| 12:01.49 | queip | akonadi-mysql that is |
| 12:01.57 | queip | but kmail starts working when you use akonadi pgsql |
| 12:02.08 | shtrb | queip, I'm running several servers with akonadi and kmail , it should work |
| 12:02.18 | queip | it seems to be the opinion of kmail developers. and that debian packages it wrongly then |
| 12:02.31 | shtrb | I think you had messed up your config |
| 12:02.48 | queip | shtrb: akonadi mysql + kmail fails to work, fails in first hour of use. on another machine. default config |
| 12:02.54 | shtrb | akonadi can work with either pgsql or mysql(mariahdb) , you just need to properly select the expected backend |
| 12:02.56 | queip | and kmail developers confirm this is a known problem |
| 12:03.12 | queip | they told me to use pgsql version if I want kmail to work |
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| 12:03.15 | azeem_ | I doubt it's a mysql issue |
| 12:03.19 | shtrb | queip, well , I trust you that you had found a bug report for that. |
| 12:03.20 | azeem_ | but ok |
| 12:03.37 | shtrb | but , clean buster default config should work (I did an installation last week ) |
| 12:03.39 | queip | how to tell akonadi to use pgsql? |
| 12:04.31 | queip | shtrb: it is a well known problem that kmail will stop receiving emails on mysql, perhaps it needs certain kind of email servers, or high load, or many emails (I have thousands) or some extra conditions but it is recognized by devels |
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| 12:05.28 | queip | ok I will first switch back to akonadi mysql, to not debug two problems at once |
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| 12:05.39 | azeem_ | queip: the documentation probably explains how to switch to pgsql |
| 12:05.56 | azeem_ | it's not a usual thing to do, so probably you won't find somebody in here who knows off-hand |
| 12:06.00 | shtrb | queip, make sure you are not connecting to running mysql server ! but rather use the standard per use instance |
| 12:06.10 | queip | shtrb: how? |
| 12:06.15 | ratrace | shtrb: what do you mean? |
| 12:06.16 | shtrb | about pg - here's a doc https://userbase.kde.org/Akonadi/Postgres_update but I didn't run with pg for long time |
| 12:06.35 | queip | (user) akonadictl start -> DBUpdater shown various errors, cant alert table, cant drop column external etc |
| 12:06.37 | gpunk | queip: if akonadi fails to work, changing backend is not really of actuality |
| 12:06.51 | gpunk | dig for the real issue with akonadi |
| 12:06.57 | shtrb | ratrace, you can either have a mysql server running and listning on a port . but you could also let akonadi spawn a mysql server on demand |
| 12:07.03 | queip | gpunk: the real issue is that it is very poorly written |
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| 12:07.09 | shtrb | that's more for #plasma and #akonadi to be honest |
| 12:07.12 | ratrace | shtrb: like a completely separate master mysql instance? |
| 12:07.13 | gpunk | what is poorly written ? |
| 12:07.20 | shtrb | ratrace, exactly |
| 12:07.23 | ratrace | shtrb: that's just super extra terrible...... |
| 12:07.32 | shtrb | ratrace, welcome to akonadi |
| 12:07.37 | gpunk | and changing a backed of any software, is not a way of fixing it |
| 12:07.40 | ratrace | is happy there's no KDE ecosystem on its computers |
| 12:07.40 | queip | gpunk: it seems to be popular opinion that entire idea of akonadi is just bad, because it becomes very slow, and kmail should never used it |
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| 12:07.53 | gpunk | IF it woeks then, then you have found a work-around, not a fix |
| 12:07.55 | shtrb | ratrace, you get used to it, it's not a big deal anymore |
| 12:08.11 | queip | ratrace: old KDE was good |
| 12:08.15 | ratrace | shtrb: my OCD would neve, ever, allow that |
| 12:08.27 | ratrace | queip: yeah, 3.x was awesomest |
| 12:08.28 | shtrb | queip, I find it odd that by default config in debian you would hit that. |
| 12:08.29 | queip | before people started with adding modern things to it. it was systemd'd even before systemd ;)) |
| 12:08.31 | gpunk | akonadi is fine, it is just that alot of folks dont know what it is really actually |
| 12:08.44 | ratrace | queip: it's not modern things that are proble, but bad developers |
| 12:08.50 | queip | gpunk: kmail DEVELOPERS say akonadi was a bad idea to use |
| 12:09.01 | shtrb | please try create a brand new account , use the standard mariadb server installation as in server and test there |
| 12:09.14 | gpunk | maybe, but doesnt mean it doesnt work |
| 12:09.24 | gpunk | I have never had an issue with ot |
| 12:09.27 | queip | shtrb: do you know how to instead just nuke from orbit the current user's akonadi DBs and all? I do not have any data there that needs saving |
| 12:09.42 | shtrb | yes , but I wish to let you an option to restore your mess |
| 12:09.47 | ratrace | !ripley method |
| 12:09.47 | dpkg | "I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure." -- Ellen Ripley |
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| 12:10.47 | gpunk | AND , what do you mean by not working exactly ? (I just got in ...) |
| 12:11.16 | queip | gpunk: kmail on akonadi+mysql after first hour to use stopped updating the emails, not downloading any new emails |
| 12:11.42 | queip | shtrb: on new user, the kmail starts up, yes |
| 12:11.42 | gpunk | have you taken action to be able too Logs ? |
| 12:11.43 | shtrb | queip, what you need to do is to backup everything , remove the resources (uninstall) , erase the db (.local/share/akonadi/* ) , prove P=NP , uninstall any extra thing you had done in your workaround , apt-get install kontact |
| 12:11.59 | shtrb | queip, if on a new user it works , congrats you had broken your user config |
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| 12:12.20 | shtrb | my comment about the steps was to nuke everything |
| 12:13.01 | shtrb | as it work for another user, you can just remove resources , erase local akonadi resources and directories , and start the service again |
| 12:13.07 | shtrb | just backup everything before hand |
| 12:13.26 | queip | shtrb: how to verify whether my current akonadi uses mysql or pgsql actually? |
| 12:13.47 | shtrb | you can see via akonadiconsole or the config files |
| 12:15.24 | shtrb | correction , I can see the option to select the backend is not present in akonadiconsole then just in the config files |
| 12:16.26 | queip | clicking Restart Server in akonaadiconsole leads to: Segmentation fault |
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| 12:16.34 | queip | claps |
| 12:17.08 | shtrb | chuckles |
| 12:17.29 | shtrb | but at least we know it's just a user config issue as it work ok for users. |
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| 12:17.46 | queip | shtrb: on ANOTHER MACHINE |
| 12:18.05 | queip | QSocketNotifier::type() from g_main_context_check from g_main_context_iteration |
| 12:18.11 | queip | I guess it's an GUI bug there |
| 12:18.14 | gpunk | queip: what do you in syslog ? |
| 12:18.18 | gpunk | or even dmesg ? |
| 12:18.28 | gpunk | is mariadb running ? |
| 12:18.35 | gpunk | running FINE ? |
| 12:18.58 | gpunk | meanining, can you connect to it and send queries ? |
| 12:19.03 | queip | shtrb: in akonadiconsole where does it say to what server it connectsss? |
| 12:19.11 | shtrb | ~/.config/akonadi/akonadiserverrc |
| 12:19.45 | shtrb | queip, ^ the config file where you can see where it will try to connect and how |
| 12:21.13 | shtrb | in your case , just backup your home dir and git rid of ~/.config/akonadi and ~/.local/share/akonadi* ~/.cache/akonadi* , make sure you backup everything BEFORE you start erasing |
| 12:21.28 | shtrb | can't you create a new user on the same machine and check it on the same machine ? |
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| 12:22.41 | queip | oh damn the machine where I thought pgsql helped, is still on mysql, seems just restarting server masked the bug for now |
| 12:23.00 | shtrb | :D |
| 12:23.02 | gpunk | My idea is that, it could be only a mariadb issue, hence you wont have to play with all akonadi stuff |
| 12:23.04 | queip | maybe in a decade linux will have an actually good email client just that works |
| 12:23.15 | queip | shtrb: still, kmail developers say to use pgsql and mysql version is crap |
| 12:23.47 | gpunk | queip: you have a superb email client, very mature and fonctional: Evolution |
| 12:24.10 | gpunk | nothing compares to it, even outlook users fall for it |
| 12:24.30 | shtrb | I think you should calm down , see that kmail devs probably have a much updated version then you have on debian (we are with buster after all), you also have other like claws (no akonadi involved) or evolution and mutt |
| 12:24.45 | shtrb | gpunk, outlook is ... broken |
| 12:24.59 | gpunk | what do I care about outlook ? |
| 12:25.36 | shtrb | gpunk, you took their users to fall for evolution , they would be happy with netscape communicator |
| 12:25.45 | queip | last time I used evolution it was crashing a lot |
| 12:25.50 | queip | though that was 10+ years ago, hmm |
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| 12:26.26 | gpunk | a package binary that crashes, doesnt witness the quality of a piece of software |
| 12:26.35 | queip | seeing as it is Gnome, it is probably badly writen C, and probably hides all advanced options from users (the dumb user philosophy) |
| 12:26.36 | gpunk | you'd have to see with your distro |
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| 12:26.46 | queip | gpunk: that was debian then |
| 12:26.52 | gpunk | voila |
| 12:26.55 | queip | wait, or gentoo |
| 12:27.01 | gpunk | same difference |
| 12:27.13 | shtrb | queip, your problem is with gentoo's version ?! |
| 12:27.34 | gpunk | I used to word outlook as I would have said: Libreoffice is even stronger then M$Office |
| 12:27.39 | gpunk | do you understand ? |
| 12:27.58 | queip | yeap, it is badly writen C |
| 12:28.14 | gpunk | Are a programmer ? |
| 12:28.19 | queip | yes |
| 12:28.25 | gpunk | what language ? |
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| 12:28.29 | queip | C, C++ |
| 12:28.34 | gpunk | for how long ? |
| 12:28.53 | queip | over 15y |
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| 12:29.09 | gpunk | lol, have you read Evolution's source code ? |
| 12:29.17 | queip | yeap |
| 12:29.20 | queip | but all C is bad code |
| 12:29.26 | gpunk | I dislike liers |
| 12:29.27 | shtrb | no |
| 12:29.30 | gpunk | sorry |
| 12:29.39 | queip | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:29.41 | queip | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:29.43 | gpunk | C is bad ? are you awake dude ? |
| 12:29.43 | queip | gpunk: I read it right now ^ |
| 12:29.57 | gpunk | in what Language is written Linux kernel ? |
| 12:30.13 | gpunk | you think you are smarter then K ou R or Linus ? |
| 12:30.16 | queip | in C, probably part of the reason why we at least yearly have a critical bug there |
| 12:30.22 | NetTerminalGene | i did "systemctl --now disable apt-daily.timer apt-daily-upgrade.timer" but my buster still check upgrades automatically at boot. how can i disable auto update check? |
| 12:30.36 | queip | * critical vulnerability |
| 12:30.37 | gpunk | can you stop puking shit for a minute ? |
| 12:31.04 | shtrb | queip, akonadi is broken not because of the language but because design choices, so many project had been now broken because of "fancy" js and node crap . |
| 12:31.55 | gpunk | A man codes C for 15y, then tells me C is crap |
| 12:32.03 | gpunk | lol |
| 12:32.05 | queip | shtrb: sure, usage of C is why I wouldn't move to Evolution |
| 12:32.16 | shtrb | queip, but even in your case , I have a hunch you had some odd config or choices that are broken |
| 12:32.24 | queip | gpunk: C++ includes C, I code in C++ |
| 12:32.32 | queip | which is how I know C is bad :) |
| 12:32.47 | gpunk | I was coding in C, way before C++ was invented |
| 12:33.03 | shtrb | queip, I'm too a "dev" with a good background in both C and C++ , but I would never judge a program just based on the language it had been done it. |
| 12:33.16 | vipthx | Hi guis, i have MB ASUS with nforce 570 chipset and CPU that mobo does not recognised it. CPU run at 800MHz instead 3.2GHz. How can i overclock it in Debian? |
| 12:33.22 | gpunk | I was coding in C, way before C++ was invented, so I went with the wave and learned C++ by my self |
| 12:33.27 | gpunk | I love c++ |
| 12:33.34 | queip | well I was coding in asm around that time, and I know I wouldn't trust anything hand written in asm now, it's too error prone (besides rare specialized asm fragments where really required) |
| 12:33.38 | gpunk | but many thnings are not made for c++ |
| 12:34.03 | shtrb | queip, based on your answer , you would be get yelled by C++ devs , C++ is no longer C with classes , these are different paradigms , different appoachs |
| 12:34.37 | queip | well Im simply saying, I do not want to attach myself to user programs written in language so memory-dangerous as C, which is why Evolution is not for me |
| 12:34.44 | shtrb | feces even qt might get lost now , and we will be left only with wxwidets and gtk |
| 12:35.11 | shtrb | And what language is not memory-dangerous ? |
| 12:35.18 | ratrace | %s/is no longer C with/is no longer just C with/ |
| 12:35.21 | queip | even C++ is hard, often seen crashes in kmail and alike (in stable debian) related to invalid pointers. but C is even harder, so just too much for my taste :) |
| 12:35.27 | ratrace | shtrb: why, Rust of course! |
| 12:35.46 | shtrb | ratrace, intellectually chalenged bugs can be made in rust without a problem |
| 12:35.47 | queip | shtrb: well, python. subset of rust if used properly. higher languages like dunno, haskel |
| 12:35.49 | gpunk | anyway, we changed subject |
| 12:36.01 | shtrb | "properly" is the key point here |
| 12:36.12 | gpunk | to answer our freind, the most mature and complete email client there is , is evolution. |
| 12:36.23 | queip | shtrb: sure but better to just have logical bugs, than logical+lowlevel. Also, logical usually do not lead to RCE at least |
| 12:36.58 | queip | gpunk: seen that critical freetype fonts lib bug just days ago? |
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| 12:37.02 | shtrb | queip, i didn't see "low level" bugs in your complain so far , only that it does not work (sorry) |
| 12:37.19 | ratrace | shtrb: footshootage is ubiquitous among bad developers and agnostic to language used :) |
| 12:37.27 | queip | very mature code, everyone run it. low level C-style memory bug, and bam, basically most (all?) browsers, across many (all?) platforms have now potential RCE |
| 12:37.32 | gpunk | what are you trying to say ? queip: |
| 12:37.32 | queip | (patched yesterday in Deb) |
| 12:37.54 | queip | that sadly mature code often has critical bugs too, and if it is C code then probably has more of them |
| 12:37.59 | ratrace | queip: that's mostly coming from terrible x86 design, rather than usage of C tho |
| 12:38.13 | gpunk | you prefer shrp maybe ? so get your self a windows and stop criticising for critisising |
| 12:38.35 | shtrb | gpunk, I just gaged because of you |
| 12:38.41 | gpunk | lol |
| 12:38.42 | queip | ratrace: I think no CPU architecture can save you fully from memory errors. some might mitigate with NX, randomization and all. x86 already does |
| 12:38.58 | ratrace | queip: capability based hardware and hardware fat pointers |
| 12:39.16 | queip | ratrace: like what arch does that currently? |
| 12:39.32 | ratrace | queip: some RISCV based implementations |
| 12:39.40 | shtrb | I almost gurntee your akonadi issue is not because of a "low level" error of memory bit flips or incorrect types badly casted. but rather LOGIC ERRORS |
| 12:40.01 | queip | shtrb: sure, that is just another topic that came up with Evolution |
| 12:40.05 | gpunk | I swear to go, since the last year or so, I come across, all the time, folks that the only thing they do is: contradicting and criticising anything you tell them |
| 12:40.11 | ratrace | queip: or ARM.... see: CHERI |
| 12:40.17 | gpunk | even if it makes then look ridiculous |
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| 12:40.29 | gpunk | millenials thing ? |
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| 12:42.21 | queip | ratrace: interesting area of research |
| 12:42.36 | ratrace | indeed |
| 12:44.01 | queip | well I rejected (whether someone agree or now with anti-C-userprograms reasoning) Evolution and Claws |
| 12:44.20 | queip | thunder was good but upstream changed to internal pgp, which is not too good |
| 12:44.24 | gpunk | queip: oh yeah, so what do you use now ? |
| 12:44.28 | queip | *thunderbird |
| 12:44.36 | queip | seems kmail remains |
| 12:45.11 | gpunk | Do you know why I dont use Kmail ? |
| 12:45.39 | ratrace | queip: did you not seek kmail over thunderbird due to broken pgp in the bird? |
| 12:45.51 | queip | it lacks 2 feautures of thunderbird. can't ask for email delivery (not the read-notification, the other thing done by SMTP) |
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| 12:46.01 | queip | and seems to fail to decrypt topics of encrypted emails |
| 12:46.33 | queip | gpunk: why you don't? |
| 12:47.19 | gpunk | because it is ugly :) I am serious, the desing , the look of it, just makes my eyes hurt, otherwise, it is "complete" and fast |
| 12:47.27 | shtrb | long line mutt ? |
| 12:47.36 | queip | gpunk: there's configure options for ui style |
| 12:47.45 | gpunk | // I know ... |
| 12:48.14 | JyZyXEL | i've never figured out how to get kmails signature verification to work |
| 12:48.16 | gpunk | but still , it is not a theme issue, but the sizes / shapes and other stuff |
| 12:48.37 | JyZyXEL | all debian mail is prefixed with the warning "Not enough information to check signature validity." |
| 12:49.25 | shtrb | JyZyXEL, shouldn't you just add the singing keys into your keyring ? |
| 12:49.47 | queip | JyZyXEL: import the pubkey, and in console: gpg --edit-key and lsign that key to trust it. or in gui like kgpg |
| 12:49.48 | JyZyXEL | i can't think of a reason why it wouldn't be there |
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| 12:50.16 | shtrb | queip, I dont' think you need to sign it at all |
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| 12:51.01 | queip | shtrb: you can also give it trust. but what many people do not know, and do not intend to do, is that giving trust also means the WOT thing, "trust that if this guy says someone else X is trusted, then consider X trusted as well" |
| 12:51.11 | queip | gpg messed up a bit the trust vs lsign thing imo |
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| 13:14.24 | queip | how to reload nftables |
| 13:16.56 | Brigo | queip, i guess systemctl reload nftables.service |
| 13:17.43 | queip | how to make the damn journald just normally wrap lines? |
| 13:19.25 | ratrace | queip: --no-pager |
| 13:19.53 | hmuller | queip: /usr/sbin/nft -f /etc/nftables.conf , if that's where your nftables rules are |
| 13:20.25 | another | you can also just execute your ruleset if you have a shebang set |
| 13:20.46 | shtrb | queip, you can use /var/log/syslog normally as before |
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| 13:21.54 | jmcnaught | Redirecting journalctl's output is enough to override its pager, "journalctl | less" |
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| 13:36.43 | gpunk | fyi, the is a realitevely new email client that came out lately |
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| 13:37.10 | gpunk | it is called Kube , written originally by the Kolab team |
| 13:37.38 | gpunk | it is a C++/QML thingy for KDE/qt etc |
| 13:38.34 | gpunk | it shines in my eyes by its simplicity in visual desing, and fonctionality |
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| 13:44.47 | NixZiZ | it looks pretty nice, yeah |
| 13:44.52 | NixZiZ | I definitely like the visuals |
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| 13:45.07 | NixZiZ | hope it gets refined to offer more compact view methods etc since I dislike so much whitespace |
| 13:45.16 | NixZiZ | and a black way to display emails |
| 13:45.21 | NixZiZ | dark themes for life |
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| 13:46.31 | Lope | is there a more hardcore network graph monitor, like ksysguard that can draw a graph for each network interface? |
| 13:46.42 | Lope | slamming all network interfaces together is pointless for me. |
| 13:47.08 | Lope | because on some, a few kb/s means something, and on others, 200MiB/s means nothing. |
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| 14:01.09 | gpunk | 993 587 Lope: plasmoïdes do that just fine |
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| 14:27.53 | acidtripper | Hi |
| 14:28.02 | acidtripper | somebody there using spark over debian? |
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| 14:36.12 | ksk | acidtripper: could you rephrase that please? To my understanding this means "instead of debian" . |
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| 15:03.55 | fredl | hi guys, in my persistent iptables I have -A INPUT -m conntrack -p tcp --dport 22 --ctstate RELATED,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT |
| 15:04.10 | fredl | I'd like to conntrack the SSH connections but nothing else |
| 15:04.54 | ratrace | fredl: what do you mean? |
| 15:05.52 | fredl | You know what connection tracking does right? |
| 15:06.40 | fredl | in iptables output it looks like this: 320 23364 ACCEPT tcp -- * * 0.0.0.0/0 0.0.0.0/0 ctstate RELATED,ESTABLISHED tcp dpt:22 |
| 15:07.17 | ratrace | I know what the conntrack module is and what it does yes. what do you mean about "conntrack the ssh connecions but nothing else" |
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| 15:07.57 | fredl | well it's a haproxy server, I don't mind my, or co-workers, SSH connections to be put in the conntrack table |
| 15:09.23 | fredl | So I figured with the -m conntrack --ctstates, if I add a -p tcp --dport 22 that nf_conntrack would only add the SSH connections to the conntrack table |
| 15:09.57 | fredl | it doesn't seem to work that way though and I'm asking why |
| 15:10.10 | ratrace | I think they're always in teh conntrack modules |
| 15:10.31 | ratrace | you're just matching packet's states value with --ctstate |
| 15:10.57 | fredl | oh... hmm that makes sense |
| 15:11.25 | fredl | So how would I prevent all other connections to be added to the conntracking table? any idea? |
| 15:11.33 | ratrace | why would you want that? |
| 15:11.47 | fredl | Well it's quite a busy server |
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| 15:11.56 | fredl | and the conntracking table gets HUGE |
| 15:12.17 | ratrace | well the nature of network traffic is that it _has_ to be tracked, except for stateless things like UDP |
| 15:12.27 | ratrace | the very nature of TCP itself requires it |
| 15:12.31 | fredl | ehm no |
| 15:12.37 | ratrace | well, serial numbers for starters |
| 15:12.39 | fredl | It's only for the firewalling, conntrack |
| 15:13.11 | fredl | So that if an incoming packet matches somethign that's in the conntracking table, not all the other rules need to be checked |
| 15:13.14 | ratrace | that's not really true. flush teh tables and then look up /proc/net/nf_conntrack |
| 15:13.30 | ratrace | connection tracking is about flows |
| 15:14.25 | fredl | well yeah but for very busy sites with traffic that comes from a million different sources... is it useful to keep those connections in the conntrack table? |
| 15:14.37 | fredl | even if just for a few seconds |
| 15:14.37 | ratrace | a packet is always in SOME state. invalid (no known connection), new, established, related, untracked, .... |
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| 15:15.03 | ratrace | fredl: it HAS to be tracked so packets can reassemble segments, if they come in out of order |
| 15:15.21 | fredl | Sorry you're mixing TCP and iptables |
| 15:15.25 | ratrace | _every_ TCP connection is tracked after the handshake, hence the handshake |
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| 15:15.47 | fredl | reassembling packets happens in the TCP protocol |
| 15:16.00 | ratrace | right, so whta are you really asking then? |
| 15:16.03 | fredl | conntracking is something entirely different |
| 15:16.07 | ratrace | it's not really |
| 15:16.14 | fredl | it is |
| 15:16.22 | ratrace | well then you know better and your problem is solved. |
| 15:17.11 | ratrace | also, the order of rules matters, so if you want to -j ACCEPT before your established,related match, you can do so |
| 15:17.38 | ratrace | also: |
| 15:17.39 | ratrace | !xy |
| 15:17.39 | dpkg | Slow down for a bit! Are you sure that you need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's easy to miss that there is a better way to proceed. See http://mywiki.wooledge.org/XyProblem |
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| 15:26.00 | ratrace | fredl: by the way, if the conntrack tables were separtae from the connection tracking part of tcp, then iptables -F would flush the states and disconnect everything and everyone, ssh conn included, and that never happens because the iptable extension is just about matching the internal stack states |
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| 15:47.45 | simplicius | hello |
| 15:47.47 | simplicius | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:48.47 | jhutchins | simplicius: There is often a volume slider in the YouTube control strip, often set very low. |
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| 15:49.41 | simplicius | there's only one |
| 15:49.46 | simplicius | it's at max. |
| 15:50.09 | Haohmaru | the video itself may be quiet, or check your mixer |
| 15:50.22 | simplicius | how do I check my mixer? |
| 15:50.55 | Haohmaru | uhm, isn't there a mixer icon in the "system tray" ? |
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| 15:51.02 | simplicius | ok it was the system sound |
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| 16:08.29 | jhutchins | ,v calibre |
| 16:08.30 | judd | Package: calibre on amd64 -- jessie: 2.5.0+dfsg-1; stretch: 2.75.1+dfsg-1; stretch-backports: 3.39.1+dfsg-3~bpo9+1; buster: 3.39.1+dfsg-3; buster-backports: 3.48.0+dfsg-1~bpo10+1; bullseye: 5.3.0+dfsg-1; sid: 5.3.0+dfsg-1 |
| 16:08.58 | Matrox | to block ssh login attempts (i have already disabled password auth but my logs are full of ssh attempts to login) should i use fail2ban or the simpler sshguard? |
| 16:09.06 | jhutchins | Wow, big jump from buster to bullseye |
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| 16:09.55 | jhutchins | Matrox: You should run it on an alternative port. |
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| 16:12.23 | Brigo | Matrox, they do basically the same, it is just a matter of taste. |
| 16:12.36 | sney | Matrox: run it on an alternative port, and/or use a firewall to restrict ssh access to allowed hosts only. Your vps provider may have a web-based one you can use for this, otherwise netfilter. |
| 16:13.01 | sney | blocking hosts that already attempted to ssh is a losing battle on an internet full of botnets. |
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| 16:14.49 | taman | There's fwknop too, though it's ipv4 only. |
| 16:14.51 | Matrox | sney, i open up my journalctl logs for sshd, and i see a login attempt with different username (dictionary attack) every second |
| 16:15.13 | Matrox | you can't even read journalctl without filtering at this point |
| 16:15.36 | sney | Matrox: exactly, botnets. jhutchins is right that the bots mostly target port 22, so if sshd is on (e.g.) port 222, the bots won't hit it as hard. |
| 16:16.57 | Matrox | i see |
| 16:17.04 | sney | if you let the bots keep hammering your server and only block them afterwards, they'll still be in your logs, and fail2ban will increase the overhead as well |
| 16:17.22 | jhutchins | 222 is pretty well known these days. |
| 16:18.15 | sney | right, roll the dice and pick a 3 or 4 digit number. |
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| 16:23.58 | Matrox | by the way in my apt/sources.lst do i have to use this (deb http://deb.debian.org/debian-security/ buster/updates main) or can i use an official mirror like (deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian-security/ buster/updates main)? |
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| 16:24.33 | Matrox | i was unsure if this official mirror is as fast to refresh security updates as the original security.debian.org mirror |
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| 16:24.39 | sney | !deb.debian.org |
| 16:24.39 | dpkg | deb.debian.org is a mirror network that is backed by international content delivery networks and for most users, this is the most reliable <mirror> to use in the <sources.list>. From Debian 9 "Stretch" onwards, apt queries SRV records in DNS which then send it off to a CDN. Older apt will get an HTTP redirect from deb.debian.org to the same CDNs. See http://deb.debian.org/ for more details. |
| 16:24.57 | Matrox | !security.debian.org |
| 16:24.57 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org/ buster/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in <stable>. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade" (or "aptitude full-upgrade" if the updates are kept back). Also ask me about <dsa>, <security backports>, <oldstable security>, <testing security>, <unstable security>, <browser security>. |
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| 16:25.41 | sney | you can look at https://mirror.url.here/debian/dists in a browser to see what it hosts. not all mirrors host every debian-* source |
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| 16:26.23 | sney | deb.debian.org is definitely an official mirror, though. |
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| 16:29.02 | Matrox | another question. i have installed a package from buster-backports. using the -t switch. |
| 16:29.24 | Matrox | when doing dist-upgrade, if a newer version is available in buster-backports will it install it? |
| 16:29.39 | Matrox | or i have to rerun the apt-get install -t buster-backports package |
| 16:29.44 | another | yes |
| 16:29.53 | sney | packages that are already installed from backports will be upgraded from backports |
| 16:30.09 | sney | also, why "dist-upgrade", are you going from one release to another? |
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| 16:31.01 | Matrox | dist-upgrade installs new packages also and removes packages, in contrast to upgrade afaik |
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| 16:32.51 | sney | it's not going to harm anything, but if you're on stable, it's unnecessary. |
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| 17:08.58 | fredl | I have blacklisted ip_conntrack_ipv4 and nf_conntrack_ipv6.... |
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| 17:09.10 | fredl | Now my VM doesn't seem to want to boot anymore |
| 17:09.45 | fredl | Is that normal? |
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| 17:10.30 | fredl | Are those modules required for a bridge interface or something by any chance? |
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| 17:13.16 | JPT | conntrack is responsible for tracking traffic within iptables/nftables rules. I don't understand why you would want to blacklist them? |
| 17:14.37 | fredl | because I run haproxy on that box and it's very busy, that flogs the conntracking table |
| 17:15.02 | fredl | Either way, I'm not sure why it's not booting |
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| 17:15.32 | fredl | console just sits there it seems after mounting the root filesystem |
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| 17:15.53 | greycat | So, you reverted the change, and then...? |
| 17:17.52 | fredl | well I'm trying to figure out how to revert it as I can't get in the console |
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| 17:18.38 | fredl | this is one of those servers where libvirt asks for a password and by the time you pasted the password you already can't stop the bootloader and boot in single user more |
| 17:18.41 | fredl | mode |
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| 17:20.12 | fredl | I guess I could qemu-nbd the VM disk and just edit that way |
| 17:21.05 | fredl | I'm still puzzled though why it would halt the boot on blacklisting those modules, does that make any sense? |
| 17:22.18 | JPT | To be honest, I'm not sure. I was hoping on reading error messages in the console or in the logs. |
| 17:23.00 | JPT | This would be an instance where I would add the verbose flag for the kernel before booting it |
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| 17:23.54 | fredl | well lessee, lemme first scp the qemu image from the host, don't wanna go nbd mount it there |
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| 17:24.23 | fredl | I think it may be related to the network interface settings in KVM though |
| 17:25.01 | fredl | oh wait lemme try something, I'll deactivate the network interface |
| 17:25.36 | fredl | hmm nope, same thing, weird |
| 17:26.54 | fredl | ooh somehow I did manage to get to grub this time tho |
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| 17:29.20 | fredl | bizarre. nothing in logs |
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| 17:30.07 | JPT | Not even in console output with verbose flag set? |
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| 17:30.42 | fredl | Oh I guess I could try that |
| 17:30.54 | fredl | I just undid it and rebooted and now it's fine again |
| 17:31.23 | fredl | I do have an academical curiosity to figure out why |
| 17:31.35 | fredl | but alas not much time to find out |
| 17:32.25 | JPT | Well, if the machine is operational now, it should be fine. :) |
| 17:32.40 | Matrox | if i install something with pip3 or pip, is it in my default path? because i already have that package from debian repos but want to get latest from pip |
| 17:32.48 | JPT | By the way, you can use sysctl to adjust the conntrack limits to your needs, too |
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| 17:33.19 | fredl | yeah I read about that, also got some advice from someone on #networking to route, say, only SSH packets through the conntables |
| 17:33.35 | JPT | Matrox: I believe that your statement is true. It may differ if you're within a virtualenv though. For more details, perhaps ask the python people :) |
| 17:33.46 | somiaj | Matrox: by default yes, and as you have discovered this is probably not best. You should use a python virtualenv to install stuff to keep it indepdnent of your system. |
| 17:33.54 | fredl | I basically removed the --ctstate RELATED,ESTABLISHED now tho |
| 17:34.10 | fredl | That also completely blocks any conntracking to happen |
| 17:35.02 | fredl | well huh, only after you have completely nuked, erradicated, bombed EVERTHING that UFW leaves behind after you install it by pure accident |
| 17:35.27 | JPT | fredl: That makes sense. If certain rules are hit too often by traffic, you may want to stop using conntrack for them and perhaps check tcp flags directly. It's not always beautiful, but it should work fine. |
| 17:35.30 | Matrox | somiaj, i will just apt-get purge old-package |
| 17:35.33 | Matrox | and pip install new |
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| 17:35.40 | Matrox | is this bad for some reason? |
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| 17:36.04 | JPT | fredl: However, consider increasing your conntrack limits if your ruleset is important to you. Modern machines should easily be able to track ~500k connections or more. |
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| 17:37.40 | n4dir | ! su - |
| 17:38.36 | greycat | !buster su |
| 17:38.36 | dpkg | In buster, su no longer overrides PATH by default, requiring that you use "su -" or "su -l" for login shells (which is not really a new thing at all...). To approximate the previous behaviour, put "ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes" in /etc/default/su (create it). See https://wiki.debian.org/NewInBuster#Changes for details. |
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| 17:39.28 | fredl | well but should I want to track so many connections JPT? |
| 17:39.40 | n4dir | greycat: thanks |
| 17:39.47 | greycat | Note the slight change to the file from login.defs to /etc/default/su |
| 17:40.01 | n4dir | ah, that is what confused me. |
| 17:40.01 | greycat | That gets rid of the warning. |
| 17:40.03 | JPT | fredl: That's up to you. I just like the comfort of conntrack based rules a lot. |
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| 17:40.36 | fredl | I sort know how it works, but does conntracking really make the firewall so much more efficient? |
| 17:40.41 | greycat | The weirdest thing is, files in /etc/default/ are usually dottable shell code fragments. This one isn't. |
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| 17:41.04 | fredl | I dunno how incoming packets are matched to the conntrack table vs. traversing the firewall rules |
| 17:41.36 | fredl | and if a lookup in 500k or more entries is really much faster than traversing all the firewall rules |
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| 17:41.58 | JPT | fredl: The answer is: it depends. If you use conntrack, once a new connection is tracked and allowed, all follow-up packets can be allowed by one lookup within the first rule in your chains. |
| 17:42.19 | JPT | On the other hand, you can have all packets traverse the whole ruleset each and not use conntrack. |
| 17:42.35 | fredl | I guess it's a balance |
| 17:42.41 | JPT | Also, depending on how big your ruleset is, using conntrack will also improve readability of your ruleset a lot. |
| 17:42.46 | JPT | Yes, it is. |
| 17:43.02 | fredl | If you have many long running connections.... it makes a lot of sense to have a few conntracking entries why not |
| 17:43.22 | fredl | But on a webserver with millions of hits from all over the place I think it makes far less sense |
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| 17:44.00 | JPT | Yeah, probably. The guys that run cloudflare certainly have different requirements than what I want to do with my vps running a private homepage. |
| 17:44.23 | fredl | Well this is a loadbalancer for quite a busy site we're building :) |
| 17:44.39 | fredl | Like, try 10k connections/sec |
| 17:44.59 | JPT | My personal experience with a "busy" haproxy instance is the one I run at work, which load balances for our exchange. It usually peaks handling a total of about ~20-30k connections. It's fairly boring. |
| 17:45.29 | fredl | 20-30k/second? |
| 17:45.39 | fredl | Or continuous? |
| 17:45.53 | JPT | Not all at once, but that's the peak of simultaneously active connections that are tracked. |
| 17:46.08 | fredl | yeah that's a lot different then |
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| 17:46.31 | JPT | Since most of the communication is based on https, I assume it's a ton of new connections over and over again, but I'm not certain. |
| 17:47.06 | fredl | I'm thinking I might want to consider doing conntracking on the *internal* connections |
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| 17:47.56 | fredl | like haproxy -> webfarm, haproxy -> DB, webfarm -> haproxy, that kind of stuff |
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| 17:48.24 | fredl | as they won't create a huge amount of entries in the conntrack table I'd think |
| 17:48.35 | JPT | To talk about iptables based firewalls: Our primary one uses conntrack for everything. It peaks at about ~70-80k tracked connections, while also dealing with the usual trash traffic coming from the internet. No performance issues so far. |
| 17:49.23 | JPT | We're a small sized university, and our internet connection usually never exceeds transfers of about 1gbit/s. |
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| 17:49.54 | JPT | And the "firewall machine" itself is a ~4 year old server which is still overpowered for the job. :D |
| 17:50.51 | fredl | well what's also important to realize... this is a KVM VM |
| 17:51.19 | fredl | That would involve all sorts of tuning on the hypervisor which I have fairly little control over |
| 17:52.55 | JPT | I mean - perhaps review your current performance figures for your machine and then you can still reconsider your options. My current point is: even with conntrack, iptables/nftables is very efficient at tracking a big number of connections without breaking a sweat. |
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| 17:59.04 | fredl | I seem to recall reading an article in the past that said conntracking could have a dramatic impact on haproxy's performance |
| 17:59.14 | fredl | I just can't find it anymore now |
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| 18:05.21 | Matrox | if i install some pip package (without root privilages) it will install everything in my home folder right? |
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| 18:05.27 | Matrox | what is the need for this virtualenv |
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| 18:07.22 | JPT | Matrox: 1) probably, I don't know for sure. 2) If you have multiple python projects which require different versions of the same modules, you can use different virtualenvs to keep all these dependencies separated and prevent incompatibility and other potential issues. |
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| 18:08.14 | Matrox | also there is this tool pipx, which says it createse the virtualenv for me and installs inside it |
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| 18:08.34 | JPT | Virtualenvs are - afaik - best practise for setting up any python project in order to keep your default/system environment clean and be able to understand and easily track your dependencies based individually. |
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| 18:09.29 | JPT | I don't know about pipx, perhaps that's one of many questions best asked in one of the many existing python channels on freenode. |
| 18:09.45 | JPT | You can use "/msg alis list python" to discover them |
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| 18:21.52 | jhutchins | Matrox: Yes it will automatically update. |
| 18:22.08 | jhutchins | Crud, sorry. |
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| 18:37.37 | Matrox | when i try to pip install using virtualenv ansible |
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| 19:18.19 | jhutchins | Matrox: That's a question for #python |
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| 19:26.14 | TuxCrazy | hi... |
| 19:26.22 | TuxCrazy | would it be safe to install this package using the deb file available on this site? https://github.com/johannesjo/super-productivity/releases |
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| 19:28.57 | sney | TuxCrazy: looks like it's an electron app, so it's probably pretty self-contained. the debian package control files are missing from that repo though so it's hard to be sure |
| 19:29.07 | enocoffee | from the options available i'd choose the .AppImage. |
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| 19:29.34 | TuxCrazy | but, a deb file also is available there. |
| 19:30.01 | TuxCrazy | superProductivity_6.0.0_amd64.deb |
| 19:30.04 | enocoffee | the appimage doesn't need privs to run and it won't do low level changes to your system. |
| 19:30.16 | TuxCrazy | enocoffee, ok |
| 19:30.18 | sney | since the control files aren't available, we have no way of knowing if it does anything wacky during pre/postinst. appimage/snap/etc are completely isolated |
| 19:30.40 | TuxCrazy | but, the latest version of this appimage doesn't seem to be working. |
| 19:30.50 | TuxCrazy | sney, ok |
| 19:30.53 | enocoffee | that's unfortunate. |
| 19:30.59 | TuxCrazy | I will use the appimage. |
| 19:31.21 | TuxCrazy | I am using the appimage of the previous version. That works. |
| 19:31.33 | TuxCrazy | the latest one seems to have some problem. |
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| 19:43.47 | Trel | Has anyone compiled cgit on debian with lua support and can help me with how to point it to the right place? |
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| 19:49.47 | Trel | Nevermind, I found the issue, needed the -dev package for the library as well as just having lua present. |
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| 20:00.57 | Matrox | does pipx require python3-venv ? |
| 20:02.14 | gpunk | <jhutchins> Matrox: That's a question for #python |
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| 20:11.56 | Montresor | Trel: cgit is in the repos, btw. |
| 20:13.09 | foul_owl | Is there a way to toggle data enable on a usb port? (ie toggle between power only and data+power?) |
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| 20:29.09 | gpunk | foul_owl: it depends on the chipset and driver |
| 20:29.44 | gpunk | And you are so smart you might have just invented it, because I have never seen any chip that does it |
| 20:29.49 | gpunk | :) |
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| 20:31.00 | gpunk | hmm, it could be done by unloading the driver :p |
| 20:31.10 | gpunk | but only in Linux :) |
| 20:31.35 | gpunk | so electrically the connection is there, but no data is handled :) |
| 20:31.38 | foul_owl | Ahhh it can only be done for all usb devices, not per usb port? |
| 20:32.34 | gpunk | I bleive so ... since unloading the driver, means the kernel doesnt use USB anymore |
| 20:32.38 | foul_owl | Bascially I need to be able to 1. shut off the data to a port 2. plug in my device 3. wait for the usb device to boot 4. turn data on for the device |
| 20:32.53 | foul_owl | Gotcha |
| 20:33.09 | gpunk | ... this could be an X/Y problem, |
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| 20:33.19 | neilthereildeil | hey guys |
| 20:33.22 | Matrox | when is .profile sourced? on login or when i open a new terminal? |
| 20:33.25 | neilthereildeil | i have a cmdline qustion |
| 20:33.32 | gpunk | make your device wait for the boot before initiating the data handeling |
| 20:33.43 | greycat | .profile is read by a login shell. Which happens when you log in by ssh or on the text console. |
| 20:33.46 | Matrox | for some reason when i open a new terminal .profile isn't sourced |
| 20:33.46 | neilthereildeil | how can i recursively find all files containing *abc and copy it to a folder? |
| 20:34.04 | greycat | if you log in with a GUI, it is *never* read, unless something something wayland whothefuckknows |
| 20:34.09 | neilthereildeil | find -name *abc | cp myFolder/ doesnt work |
| 20:34.13 | gpunk | which is weird, because if your device has not booted, what would make your "chip" play with data uver the USB port ? |
| 20:34.23 | greycat | neilthereildeil: quote the glob so bash doesn't expand it |
| 20:34.32 | Matrox | greycat, oh so when i open a terminal it just reads .bashrc |
| 20:34.38 | greycat | neilthereildeil: also, god, everthing after the | is wrong |
| 20:35.14 | neilthereildeil | find gives me output of the format "./dir1/aaabc" |
| 20:35.15 | greycat | neilthereildeil: find . -type f -name '*abc' -exec cp -t /destination/ {} + |
| 20:35.27 | gpunk | Matrox: that is normal as he said, in gnome or kde console, you have to activate exeplicitly the reading of .profile, |
| 20:35.38 | gpunk | aka: "run as login shell" |
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| 20:36.00 | greycat | (don't do that) |
| 20:36.01 | Matrox | or i can put source $HOME/.profile in .bashrc |
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| 20:36.14 | greycat | DON'T do that |
| 20:36.16 | neilthereildeil | greycat: do i HAVE TO use an argument of find? |
| 20:36.16 | greycat | that would be an infinite loop |
| 20:36.23 | neilthereildeil | is there no way to use bash primitives? |
| 20:36.28 | Matrox | greycat, yeah :D |
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| 20:37.10 | greycat | Why is that when you give someone a correct, efficient answer, the first thing they do is reject it and demand a broken one... |
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| 20:37.42 | gpunk | it is called Millenias ! |
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| 20:37.51 | greycat | also, /msg greybot b9 |
| 20:37.54 | gpunk | I found out that too |
| 20:38.15 | gpunk | it is a new sport to systematically contradict the interlocutor |
| 20:38.15 | n4dir | neilthereildeil: mywiki.wooledge.org -> UsingFind has quite a few good examples for find, where you will usually find what needs to be done. |
| 20:38.46 | greycat | there are more examples in the BashFAQ and in BashProgramming as well |
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| 20:40.07 | gpunk | greycat: it is a syndrome: folks want to be "the that is right" instead discovering the truth |
| 20:40.19 | n4dir | didn't know that. I sure don't know enough to decide whom i may trust and whom not, hence stick to the mentioned link |
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| 20:40.23 | neilthereildeil | i tried the command greycat sent me |
| 20:40.30 | neilthereildeil | find: missing argument to `-exec' |
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| 20:40.56 | gpunk | -exec $command {} \; |
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| 20:41.11 | greycat | Which part did you leave out? The + sign? |
| 20:41.18 | greycat | gpunk: no. |
| 20:41.19 | gpunk | "{} \;" is the result thrown by find |
| 20:41.19 | neilthereildeil | no, i had the + sign |
| 20:41.53 | neilthereildeil | isnt this what | is mean t for? |
| 20:41.55 | neilthereildeil | meant* |
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| 20:42.01 | greycat | *sigh* |
| 20:42.03 | neilthereildeil | take the output of one command and pipe it to the next? |
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| 20:42.16 | gpunk | with find you dont need the pipe |
| 20:42.23 | gpunk | but you can use it |
| 20:42.24 | greycat | you don't want to PIPE anything. you want to EXECUTE a small number of cp commands. |
| 20:42.28 | gpunk | thankyou unics |
| 20:42.49 | greycat | (not a large number of cp commands, which is what gpunk's \; would do) |
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| 20:43.25 | gpunk | you mean "\;" is not appropriate for large results ? |
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| 20:44.31 | greycat | https://mywiki.wooledge.org/UsingFind and https://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashProgramming/03 |
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| 23:09.13 | H-var | there is a problem with sylpheed |
| 23:09.29 | H-var | it requires curl, but doesn't include it into its dependencies |
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| 23:18.35 | alex11 | H-var, file a bug |
| 23:19.27 | H-var | I'm not that kind of a guy alex11 |
| 23:19.50 | alex11 | ...ok |
| 23:20.00 | sney | it suggests curl, which indicates that it's optional |
| 23:20.01 | H-var | I don't snitch on programs |
| 23:20.56 | sney | if you don't snitch then why did you bring it up in a public channel? hoping someone else will do the legwork for you? |
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| 23:24.26 | H-var | because snitching privately is different from talking publicly duh |
| 23:25.46 | Tenkawa | you just did |
| 23:26.11 | Tenkawa | we all know who maintains it .. it has a record |
| 23:26.22 | alex11 | anyway, Suggests means not required |
| 23:26.28 | alex11 | case closed |
| 23:26.38 | Tenkawa | indeed |
| 23:26.49 | A|an | I've just read about the BleedingTooth vulnerability and the suggestion is, to upgrade the kernel to 5.whatever...I've never upgraded the kernel outside of a normal release...would doing so mess up your system stability? |
| 23:27.23 | alex11 | no but the current kernel will probably be patched |
| 23:27.37 | alex11 | just upgrade the 4.19 kernel in buster whenever there's a fix published |
| 23:27.45 | H-var | haha bleeding tooth |
| 23:28.02 | Tenkawa | alex11: what you guys running officially currently? (I build straight out of kernel.org) |
| 23:28.09 | A|an | yeah, how do they come with names like that? |
| 23:28.11 | alex11 | just the stock debian kernel |
| 23:28.37 | Tenkawa | needs to look up what its on lately |
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| 23:28.49 | A|an | however....there's connection (and I don't know what the connection is, exactly): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydnellum_peckii |
| 23:29.01 | alex11 | it's 4.19 |
| 23:29.06 | Tenkawa | ah ok |
| 23:29.24 | A|an | mine's 4.19.0-12-amd64 |
| 23:30.00 | Tenkawa | alex11: I do lot of arm soc dev stuff so mine are all over the place |
| 23:30.06 | Tenkawa | er a lot |
| 23:30.29 | A|an | I don't evern use bluetooth, I was just wondering, if one were so possessed, is upgrading to a non-Debian blessed kernel a bad idea? |
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| 23:31.15 | alex11 | backports is 'fine', it won't nuke your system, but unless you need it you may as well use the one in stable |
| 23:31.28 | alex11 | as far as compiling your own... you're responsible for your own security fixes |
| 23:31.33 | Tenkawa | good ole baxkports |
| 23:31.35 | A|an | ok, that's what I wanted to know |
| 23:31.39 | Tenkawa | er backports |
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| 23:32.26 | A|an | I'm not doing anything, I was just wondering if the floor would collapse and the ceiling fay away if you installed the latest and greatest. |
| 23:32.41 | A|an | fly <- fay |
| 23:33.47 | A|an | https://securityboulevard.com/2020/10/bleedingtooth-intel-discloses-early-angering-linux-lovers/ |
| 23:34.59 | alex11 | backports is fairly close to the latest and greatest and no, it won't |
| 23:35.01 | alex11 | it'll be fine |
| 23:35.10 | A|an | "In todayâs SB Blogwatch, we can see another reason for social distancing." ha! |
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| 23:35.51 | H-var | CoronaBleed |
| 23:36.00 | sney | debian is very good about supporting the stable kernel with new security fixes, so even though it's based on 4.19 from upstream, it's more current irl |
| 23:36.17 | sney | in cases where it isn't, phoronix et al make sure to yell about that in particular |
| 23:37.12 | alex11 | the point being you don't need to install from backports to get security fixes |
| 23:37.33 | H-var | CoronaBleed is a new vulnerability discovered in linux that allows to gain full control of a system when net masking is enabled. |
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| 23:37.53 | A|an | "...upstream, it's more current irl" That's what I suspected and wondered if it was so |
| 23:38.53 | A|an | Yeah, there's a new study out that show net masking really doesn't work |
| 23:39.32 | Pegasus_RPG | Hello. Any apache httpd gurus here? I have a strange situation where most files in a certain directory (password-protected,) won't display/download when accessed via HTTP, but will via HTTPS. SOME txt files do display/download though and there's no error in the Apache logs and FS permissions are identical on ones that do and don't display. Where the heck else can I look?! |
| 23:40.05 | sney | Pegasus_RPG: I try to avoid apache, but I suspect .htaccess |
| 23:40.10 | ratrace | Pegasus_RPG: there's a whole legion in #httpd |
| 23:40.46 | Pegasus_RPG | ratrace: that channel is dead atm... sney: not present in the directory in question |
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| 23:41.26 | ratrace | Pegasus_RPG: oh well.... define "won't display" |
| 23:41.34 | sney | also make sure you're testing in an uncached browser, incognito mode or whatever |
| 23:41.44 | Pegasus_RPG | ratrace: The browser acts like it gets a zero-byte file. |
| 23:41.45 | ratrace | you always get something.... so what is it. what's status code? what's access log sayin? error log? |
| 23:41.46 | sney | browser caching will always ruin your day when testing stuff if you let it |
| 23:42.09 | ratrace | right, so tried with curl or wget to remove the browser cache nonsens from the equation? |
| 23:42.31 | Pegasus_RPG | ratrace: access log shows just a GET of the file in question as expected. I did but need to feed it auth creds... *looks up how* |
| 23:42.51 | ratrace | Pegasus_RPG: with what status code? |
| 23:43.00 | ratrace | (and length corresponding to the file?) |
| 23:43.35 | Pegasus_RPG | Ah so "502 Invalid headers in response" |
| 23:46.11 | Matrox | if i add my gpg signing key to git with (git config --global user.signingkey MYKEY) is it permanent, or i have to run this command everytime i start a new shell? |
| 23:48.20 | alex11 | it would actually be really awkward if one day you had to update to a whole new branch to get a kernel security fix because it just isn't possible to patch the older one |
| 23:49.37 | sney | debian doesn't typically move fast enough for that, either. it'd be a mess. |
| 23:49.39 | sney | knocks wood |
| 23:50.48 | Tenkawa | sney: it has happened |
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| 23:51.00 | Tenkawa | years ago |
| 23:52.02 | Tenkawa | happened to a few distros all at once⦠I cant remember what fix it was but they all had to scramble to mitigate it |
| 23:52.04 | sney | yes I am only knocking wood for the future, which is unwritten |
| 23:52.24 | ratrace | didn't spectre and meltdown also bring that for some 3.x and 4.4/4.9 kernels? |
| 23:52.46 | Tenkawa | yeah |
| 23:52.52 | ratrace | GKH says many such fixes aren't going all the way down to LTS anyway.... the upstream wants us to run latest kernels possible |
| 23:52.58 | Tenkawa | sney: true enough |
| 23:53.18 | alex11 | luckily spectre's supposed to be really hard to exploit |
| 23:53.21 | alex11 | and meltdown was patched quickly |
| 23:53.22 | ratrace | and then on the other end of that spectrum, LTS is receiving updates that shouldn't...... |
| 23:53.57 | Tenkawa | was around for this back in 1993 so has seen some crazy days |
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