| 00:00.31 | Gigglebyte | abrotman> hugins is not showing up in the stable repository |
| 00:00.56 | Gigglebyte | Found it. I had to drop the "s" |
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| 00:02.12 | abrotman | "hugin" .. which is what I said |
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| 00:21.30 | abrotman | I'm still not entirely sure I understand the goal |
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| 00:34.17 | Gigglebyte | abrotman> I ended up whiting out the undesirables in pdfesacpe.com It ended up being a lot less complex. |
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| 05:12.35 | backupluis2 | Hi, I have problems installing legacy nvidia drivers, got an error dpkg-divert: error: rename involves overwriting '/usr/lib/mesa-diverted/x86_64-linux-gnu/libGL.so' with different file '/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libGL.so', not allowed |
| 05:13.29 | backupluis2 | No solutions found on the net, maybe because dpkg-diverts change some options and I don't understand it at all |
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| 05:16.23 | diogenes_ | backupluis2, how are you installing it, from where? |
| 05:16.51 | backupluis2 | sudo apt-get install nvidia-legacy-340xx-driver |
| 05:18.28 | diogenes_ | backupluis2, and output of: cat /etc/os-release | grep -i pretty |
| 05:18.57 | backupluis2 | Debian 10 Buster |
| 05:20.29 | diogenes_ | is it up-to-date? sudo apt full-upgrade |
| 05:22.06 | backupluis2 | Some weeks ago I lost some of my /var/ files due to a power outage, since then I have to reinstall a lot of already installed things, yesterdat I have to "reinstall" Python3, I remember that I have to install devHelp package, after that notepadqq didnt work anymore due to libGL errors, but other programs like VS Code works well, today when I turn on, Nothing on the display |
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| 05:22.18 | backupluis2 | Thats why I want to reinstall nvidia drivers |
| 05:22.43 | backupluis2 | So, full-upgrade tells me that my system is up to date |
| 05:23.48 | backupluis2 | For example Python3 was working good but I have to resintall because when I try to install a new package told me that Python3 wasn installed |
| 05:23.55 | backupluis2 | I lost dpkg config files for sure |
| 05:24.42 | diogenes_ | is it ext4? |
| 05:25.36 | backupluis2 | Can you tell me how to check it, Im not an expert, anyway I think that is ext4 |
| 05:26.12 | backupluis2 | yes, is ext4 |
| 05:26.44 | backupluis2 | "/dev/sda1 on / type ext4 (rw,relatime,errors=remount-ro)" |
| 05:30.29 | diogenes_ | try: sudo dpkg-reconfigure -a |
| 05:31.07 | backupluis2 | Unknown option: a |
| 05:31.25 | backupluis2 | --force ? |
| 05:31.31 | diogenes_ | --force |
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| 05:32.40 | backupluis2 | Even force needs packages names |
| 05:33.00 | backupluis2 | and seems that there is no all option |
| 05:33.11 | backupluis2 | Ohh * |
| 05:33.29 | backupluis2 | dpkg-query: package 'libegl.so' is not installed and no information is available |
| 05:33.29 | backupluis2 | Use dpkg --info (= dpkg-deb --info) to examine archive files. |
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| 05:34.38 | diogenes_ | try to reinstall and reconfigure xorg. |
| 05:38.11 | backupluis2 | dpkg-divert: error: rename involves overwriting '/usr/lib/mesa-diverted/x86_64-linux-gnu/libGL.so' with |
| 05:38.12 | backupluis2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:38.24 | backupluis2 | After some lines got the same error |
| 05:41.34 | diogenes_ | try first nvidia-cleanup |
| 05:42.43 | backupluis2 | have no cleanup file, only: nvidia-bug-report.sh nvidia-debugdump nvidia-modprobe nvidia-persistenced nvidia-settings |
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| 05:45.08 | themill | ,i nvidia-installer-cleanup |
| 05:45.10 | judd | Package nvidia-installer-cleanup (contrib/misc, optional) in buster/amd64: cleanup after driver installation with the nvidia-installer. Version: 20151021+9; Size: 18.7k; Installed: 52k |
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| 05:46.30 | diogenes_ | thanks themill i couldn't recall the name :) |
| 05:47.08 | themill | that's explicitly about the nvidia installer from nvidia, but its attempts at cleanup may well help here too |
| 05:47.20 | backupluis2 | Sorry guys, Im so limited with linux, I cant install the cleanup package, still got the same error when I try to install |
| 05:49.56 | backupluis2 | sudo apt-get install nvidia-installer-cleanup |
| 05:50.01 | backupluis2 | nvidia-installer-cleanup is already the newest version (20151021+9). |
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| 05:50.10 | backupluis2 | dpkg-divert: error: rename involves overwriting '/usr/lib/mesa-diverted/x86_64-linux-gnu/libGL.so' with |
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| 05:50.53 | backupluis2 | Even says already installed I have no nvidia cleanup command |
| 05:51.39 | themill | the cleanup is supposed to be done by the maintainer scripts |
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| 05:53.32 | themill | but yeah, it's only really trying to clean up the nvidia installer, not whatever has happened here :( |
| 05:54.26 | diogenes_ | try: apt-get clean apt-get check apt-get install -f |
| 05:54.34 | backupluis2 | I do a reinstall |
| 05:54.35 | backupluis2 | Preparing to unpack .../nvidia-installer-cleanup_20151021+9_amd64.deb ... |
| 05:54.36 | backupluis2 | Unpacking nvidia-installer-cleanup (20151021+9) over (20151021+9) ... |
| 05:54.36 | backupluis2 | Setting up nvidia-installer-cleanup (20151021+9) ... |
| 05:54.36 | backupluis2 | Setting up glx-diversions (1.0.0) ... |
| 05:54.36 | backupluis2 | dpkg-divert: error: rename involves overwriting '/usr/lib/mesa-diverted/x86_64-linux-gnu/libGL.so' with |
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| 05:55.36 | backupluis2 | Sorry, I flood the channel, copy too much to the clipboard |
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| 05:55.54 | alex11 | paste.debian.net |
| 05:56.07 | backupluis2 | I do a reinstall, and go ok, still the same divert error with libGL.so |
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| 06:13.14 | backupluis2 | Well, I remove libGL.* from /usr/lib/mesa-diverted/x86_64-linux-gnu/ and NO more divert problems, reinstall xorg and its working again |
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| 06:56.07 | iamjfk11 | -.- |
| 06:56.16 | alex11 | don't give me that face |
| 06:57.16 | iamjfk11 | |(°^°)/ |
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| 08:41.13 | tizef | hi guys, how are you? i got a freeze + shutdown from my laptop... i want to see if any error messages are there from the previous session... is that possible? |
| 08:41.36 | tizef | i mean from the previous start, sorry |
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| 08:44.17 | tizef | dmesg do not show the previous boot to shutdown? |
| 08:44.34 | tizef | like dmesg plus an option? |
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| 08:51.54 | ratrace | tizef: you can use journal in the future but you have to configure it to be persistent. Consult journald.conf(5) on how to set up Storage= param. Without that, you have to find in the syslog files where the current boot begins, and look behind that. |
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| 08:52.18 | ratrace | grep for "Command line: BOOT_IMAGE" in syslog files (eg /var/log/kern.log) to find the current boot session start |
| 08:52.50 | tizef | i see, thanks ratrace |
| 08:52.51 | ratrace | with journalctl, you can do journalctl -b -1 -n 20 to list last 20 entries of previous boot session |
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| 08:55.04 | tizef | ok |
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| 08:55.16 | tizef | thanks ratrace |
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| 09:10.53 | Ingvix | Hey, I need to run a script every time my public ipv6 address changes. Apparently I can do that with 'ip monitor' but I'm not sure how to hone the command to fit my needs or if there's a better tool for this. Any help would be appreciated |
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| 09:13.21 | ratrace | Ingvix: maybe there's a tool based on systemd-networkd dbus notifications. Quick google shows a number of them, so check which one you could use if it's even packaged in debian. Python things are available via pypi if they're not packaged. |
| 09:13.26 | genr8_ | man ip-monitor |
| 09:13.41 | ratrace | also, that would require you to use systemd-networkd for network configuration. |
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| 09:15.15 | genr8_ | nevermind. that may be the worst man page ever. |
| 09:15.37 | Ingvix | indeed, I tried the man page but couldn't really get any answers |
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| 10:28.11 | Ticho | hmm, I wonder if it is possible to do some sort of basic string mangling within systemd units - say my unit is foo@ABC.service, '%i' is 'ABC', but I need lowercase 'abc' for some other parameter within the unit file |
| 10:28.28 | Ticho | I can't find anything about this anywhere, which leads me to believe that this is not doable |
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| 10:52.33 | rgr | can any of your experts tell me if there is a debian installer of any release that will include a 5.9 kernel? I need the 5.9 to support a certain laptop. |
| 10:57.48 | jelly | rgr: not yet. install OS separately and kernel separately |
| 10:58.24 | jelly | debian userspace can be installed from any booted linux |
| 10:58.47 | jelly | ,kernels |
| 10:58.49 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 5.9.0-rc8-686-pae (5.9~rc8-1~exp1); sid: 5.9.0-1-686 (5.9.1-1); bullseye: 5.9.0-1-686 (5.9.1-1); buster-backports: 5.8.0-0.bpo.2-686 (5.8.10-1~bpo10+1); buster: 4.19.0-12-686-pae (4.19.152-1); stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.9-686-pae (4.19.118-2+deb10u1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.19.0-0.bpo.12-686 (4.19.152-1~deb9u1); jessie-backports: |
| 10:58.50 | judd | 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.12-686 (4.9.210-1+deb9u1~deb8u1) |
| 10:59.27 | jelly | rgr: or maybe how that 5.9 is in bullseys, there might be weekly or daily builds of testing installer with that kernel |
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| 11:03.26 | jelly | rgr: if it's a laptop there's a very good chance you're going to need non-free firmware to make things work |
| 11:03.36 | jelly | so try https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-cd/ perhaps |
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| 11:09.40 | hmuller | rgr: is your laptop x86_64? |
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| 11:15.23 | NetTerminalGene | is "fstrim -av" safe command? |
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| 11:17.16 | c-nister | hello again |
| 11:17.26 | hmuller | NetTerminalGene: should be safe at a frequency of once per week or longer |
| 11:17.50 | c-nister | anyone some time left to assist me with troubleshooting my broken boot procedure from my encrypted thumbdrive ? |
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| 11:24.51 | rgr | yes but the cpu is not relevant. Its the associated HW. Im straying from thinkpads. Sacrilege I know. |
| 11:25.22 | rgr | Thanks. Ill double check bullsye which is my daily driver anyway . but my bullseye here hasnt sucked in the 5.9 kernel yet. |
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| 11:28.16 | c-nister | my thumbdrive drops me into initrafs shell instead of prompting for the liks passphrase. |
| 11:28.18 | c-nister | luks |
| 11:28.45 | c-nister | saying "Volume group not found"... |
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| 12:24.56 | c-nister | any chances now ? |
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| 12:29.58 | ratrace | c-nister: for which OS? you had that question and problem in #gentoo earlier today |
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| 13:40.58 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey guys |
| 13:41.03 | nobyk | hey |
| 13:41.17 | Eryn_1983_FL | so i want to package up some go software into .debs and .rpms |
| 13:41.21 | Eryn_1983_FL | im trying to use https://github.com/Debian/dh-make-golang |
| 13:41.26 | Eryn_1983_FL | to make this package, as an example |
| 13:41.53 | Eryn_1983_FL | https://github.com/DRuggeri/bind_query_exporter |
| 13:42.30 | Eryn_1983_FL | how do i get it to work? it only wants to use golang.org as far as i can tell.. |
| 13:42.42 | Eryn_1983_FL | i tried using the search for bind but noting came up |
| 13:43.25 | Eryn_1983_FL | if i cant do this it will make it diffcult to deploy on many systems at once |
| 13:45.09 | jelly-home | Eryn_1983_FL: hmm, try asking in #packaging over on irc.oftc.net |
| 13:45.49 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok |
| 13:46.51 | jelly-home | and/or #debian-golang, if you go there maybe mention you're not packaging for Debian but for yourself for the time being |
| 13:47.24 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok |
| 13:51.35 | ratrace | is that #packaging debian specific? |
| 13:52.49 | zeroed | Hello. Topic: Custom DNS servers. A Debian system where the DNS (/etc/resolv.conf) is a symlink to /run/systemd/resolve/stub-resolv.conf, so systemd managed, and the file /etc/systemd/resolved.conf is configured to return the desired DNS server(s), the command "resolvectl status" still reports the DNS address of the router. I suspect that it might come from the DHCP client that has in |
| 13:52.55 | zeroed | /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf the entry "request domain-name-servers" but removing it does not has the expected result of NOT having the router address listed as DNS server. Probably due to my mistake or partial understanding of all the moving parts. Question: How to limit the DNS servers to the ones configured in /etc/systemd/resolved.conf ? Thanks. |
| 13:53.20 | Eryn_1983_FL | its fine if it is not ratrace |
| 13:53.44 | zeroed | *the command "resolvectl status" still reports ALSO the DNS address of the router. |
| 13:54.26 | themill | ratrace: it's for debian and derivatives (i.e. about producing .debs with debian/rules and debhelper, not rpms) |
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| 13:55.20 | Eryn_1983_FL | wonder if i put it in $GOPATH/src/ |
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| 13:58.49 | ratrace | Eryn_1983_FL: I was just curious. if it's like #httpd is really apache. |
| 13:58.58 | jelly-home | ratrace: #packaging is not Debian specific, just .deb specific |
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| 13:59.16 | ratrace | right. |
| 13:59.28 | jelly-home | so if you're making binary debs for fun or profit, that's the place |
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| 14:01.00 | Eryn_1983_FL | okies |
| 14:01.07 | Eryn_1983_FL | they seem to be asleep |
| 14:01.19 | Eryn_1983_FL | they will get to me when they get to me i guess |
| 14:01.46 | Eryn_1983_FL | it would be fine if these showed up on the search command or something for goget |
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| 14:01.54 | Eryn_1983_FL | but nothing seemed to work right |
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| 14:13.07 | n4dir | ratrace: to me it always looks as an alternative to debian-mentors, which help if you want to maintain a package for debian, and packaging being for what jelly-home said (for fun or whatever, but not for debian as a distribution) |
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| 14:14.57 | jelly | these days I either repackage vendor binary crap, or missing python modules |
| 14:16.48 | Haohmaru | sneks |
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| 14:25.54 | ratrace | is there a single, concise, up to date, modern, document on debian packaging these days? I know it's an ecosystem of many many different tools, some outdated... |
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| 14:36.19 | JustASlacker | is there a way to execute a script when a user logs off? |
| 14:36.41 | Shadur | Depends on their shell, but I think bash calls ~/.bash_logout |
| 14:36.59 | Shadur | Of course, that's under the user's control, which may or may not be what you want. |
| 14:38.27 | jelly | ratrace: AFAICT each team has their own, snek people have theirs, npm/java have theirs, go... well. |
| 14:38.31 | jelly | what if their session isn't a bash session |
| 14:41.43 | ratrace | jelly: okay okay, you got me. I meant .deb packaging :) |
| 14:42.22 | ratrace | Shadur: logind has dbus something something you could maybe use. |
| 14:42.32 | imMute | ratrace: debhelper is pretty widely used, is that what you mean? |
| 14:43.20 | ratrace | imMute: I'm not really sure. I want to unpack a source tarball, add a /debian/directory with rules, changelog and all the other requirements, then something-something to turn that into a .deb |
| 14:43.47 | ratrace | I also want to take existing .deb (src), change it, add pathces, and then something something to turn that into a .deb |
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| 14:44.18 | imMute | take a look at debhelper for building your own packages. |
| 14:44.28 | Shadur | ratrace: That might work, but I have no idea how I'd start on that. |
| 14:44.29 | imMute | for modifying existing packages, you have to look at what tooling that package uses. |
| 14:45.10 | Shadur | JustASlacker: You could look at ratrace's suggestion with checking if logind has any useful hooks you can hang something on if you want a script to run that the user can't control. |
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| 14:47.13 | jelly | ratrace: that's not too hard /msg dpkg package rebuild for one-off, but if you want to keep your fork of deb-src tree with own custom patches, iunno |
| 14:48.07 | jelly | last time I looked there was at least 2 or 3 different ways of keeping source + debian/ in git |
| 14:48.58 | jhutchins | 1custom compile |
| 14:49.08 | jhutchins | !custom compile |
| 14:49.14 | ratrace | imMute: jelly: I'll look at both, thanks |
| 14:49.20 | JustASlacker | thx Shadur, ratrace |
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| 14:50.57 | jhutchins | !package recompile |
| 14:50.57 | dpkg | 1) Add a <deb-src> line for your current release to your sources.list 2) apt update; apt install build-essential devscripts fakeroot; apt build-dep packagename 3) as any user, apt-get source packagename 4) cd packagename-version/; ask me about <debian/rules>; 5) dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us 6) as root, apt install ../packagename-version.deb. Ask me about <debian/rules>, <nocheck>, <nostrip>, <apt-get source>. |
| 14:51.20 | ratrace | looks the same as !package rebuild |
| 14:51.35 | jelly | dpkg: ping |
| 14:51.35 | dpkg | Yes, jelly you are either online or you are not... http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20000326 |
| 14:51.52 | JustASlacker | ratrace: you usually get the build source via _apt get source PACKAGE_ and _apt get build-dep PACKACKE_ |
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| 14:52.07 | JustASlacker | together with apt install build-essential |
| 14:52.27 | JustASlacker | then you can modify the source and call _dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc_ afterwards |
| 14:52.35 | JustASlacker | thats it in a nutshell |
| 14:52.40 | ratrace | JustASlacker: yeah those two I know from !ssb, but I was really interested into what's latest in building your own .deb . |
| 14:52.46 | JustASlacker | ah |
| 14:52.54 | JustASlacker | probably something in a docker container |
| 14:53.11 | ratrace | ewww no |
| 14:53.18 | n4dir | no idea how up to date it is, but the debian wiki has lots of good summarizing pages on the subject of building deb packages |
| 14:53.34 | imMute | I like pbuilder/cowbuilder which is used by git-buildpackage (still getting used to GBP workflow) |
| 14:53.45 | n4dir | one of them done by #debian-women ; iirc. |
| 14:55.04 | n4dir | also i always forget the name, a famous debian dev from France, like Raphael Herzog? He has very good info on his website (or had) |
| 14:56.11 | n4dir | right name, but written wrong: https://raphaelhertzog.com/debian-packaging/ |
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| 15:03.28 | karlpinc | There is a debian developer manual. |
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| 15:04.18 | c-nister | ratrace, hey again |
| 15:11.06 | ratrace | c-nister: ? |
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| 15:13.23 | TomyWork | hi, i have a debian 7 vm and a debian 9 vm that's due to replace it. one final thing is missing: a CIFS mount with DFS resolution. that worked fine on the debian 7 vm, but no longer works on the debian 9 vm. am i missing something that i need to install? mount options are identical, credentials too |
| 15:13.51 | c-nister | ratrace, yeah, |
| 15:14.04 | c-nister | thumbdrive issue ? Remember ? |
| 15:14.15 | ratrace | c-nister: yes I remember, but that was on Gentoo. this is #debian. |
| 15:14.16 | TomyWork | fstab entry is this: //domain.fqdn/DFS/foo/bar /mnt/mymountpoint cifs credentials=/root/.cifs,_netdev,uid=myuser,soft 0 0 |
| 15:14.24 | TomyWork | fstab entry is this: //domain.fqdn.local/DFS/foo/bar /mnt/mymountpoint cifs credentials=/root/.cifs,_netdev,uid=myuser,soft 0 0 |
| 15:14.28 | c-nister | ratrace, that thumbdrive RUNS debian |
| 15:14.37 | TomyWork | avahi-daemon is not running |
| 15:14.54 | c-nister | i simply asked in gentoo, because i was assuming, this kind of problem is not os dependent |
| 15:15.18 | ratrace | c-nister: really? including the crypt_root genkernel specific option that you said you had in your grub? |
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| 15:15.42 | TomyWork | the error i get is "mount error(6): No such device or address" |
| 15:16.16 | c-nister | ratrace, yeah, it is included PLUS right now i issued update-initramfs, because dm_crypt was not listen in moduled. now it is, and still the same issue |
| 15:16.43 | ratrace | c-nister: on debian you need properly formatted crypttab |
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| 15:17.15 | TomyWork | wireshark on the debian 7 vm tells me it's trying the name without dfs first, gets a DFS referal back, then tries that. the debian 9 vm just retries the same request again instead of using the DFS referal path |
| 15:17.20 | ratrace | evenmoreso if you're setting this up from thta very rootfs, or from a chroot, the active mapper name for the luks container must be the same one listed in crypttab |
| 15:18.05 | c-nister | ratrace ah, look. When i open my luks in initramfs shell I always use test es temp luks name. When generating that initram, it always comes: Warning: test not found in crypttab |
| 15:18.11 | c-nister | maybe this is a hint |
| 15:18.21 | c-nister | ??? |
| 15:18.41 | c-nister | because in my crypttab there is only the UUID of my encrypted partition |
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| 15:20.06 | ratrace | c-nister: like I said, on debian the active mapper name and mapper name in crypttab have to be the same for initramfs-tools and grub to autodetect |
| 15:20.19 | c-nister | this is an hint |
| 15:20.34 | c-nister | lets work on that. Where can i now find out, which luks name i gave in the past ? |
| 15:20.56 | ratrace | typically it's _crypt added to the sdX device name, eg /dev/sda2 would be unlocked to sda2_crypt mapper name |
| 15:21.32 | ratrace | but that's just some default convention. if you're setting it up from a chroot, then you define which name is used |
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| 15:22.08 | c-nister | is that name still somewhere now, so i can copy paste it ? |
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| 15:22.55 | ratrace | c-nister: the name only exists in crypttab |
| 15:22.57 | c-nister | sorry, it is as You said |
| 15:23.02 | c-nister | and it is inside it. |
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| 15:23.31 | c-nister | meaning, i will now reboot and in initramfs shell i will decrypt it properly |
| 15:24.01 | c-nister | when booted, i will regenerate initram and then reboot again, let's see then, thx a lot |
| 15:24.18 | c-nister | (is that crypttab only relevant for debian ) ??? |
| 15:24.19 | ratrace | c-nister: whatever name you use with cryptsetup in initramfs shell, is the name that will appear in /dev/mapper/ when you boot, and the name you must use when you set up crypttab, for update-grub and update-initramfs to autodetect things properly |
| 15:24.25 | ratrace | and don't forget the fstab |
| 15:24.33 | c-nister | fstab is existing. |
| 15:24.36 | ratrace | c-nister: crypttab is debian's construct, yes. also picked up by systemd |
| 15:25.20 | c-nister | btw, i remmed efi and /boot in fstab in order not to mount them autimatically |
| 15:25.35 | c-nister | so will return soon. |
| 15:25.48 | ratrace | be careful with thta. if you forget to mount it, you'll be installing initramfs into wrong place |
| 15:26.03 | c-nister | i know, but which place would that be ? |
| 15:26.11 | ratrace | the actual /boot |
| 15:26.22 | ratrace | the partition that you mount on /boot is the one that must and will be used by grub |
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| 15:26.33 | c-nister | aha, ok, so all good until now |
| 15:26.37 | c-nister | see ya |
| 15:26.43 | ratrace | so if you configure grub to use that partition but you later forget to mount it when you update-initramfs, say hello to unbootable system |
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| 15:27.15 | c-nister | ok ok .. |
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| 15:41.49 | c-nister | ratrace, hi again. WOW. it twerks |
| 15:42.22 | c-nister | so, need to add it to my notes: Crypttab is essential in debian for this kind of "feature" ... |
| 15:43.37 | c-nister | ratrace, BUT... why is my xfce greeter login printing dots, even when i hit backspace ? |
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| 15:55.49 | c-nister | ratrace, ? |
| 15:55.58 | c-nister | Do You know this kind of issue ' |
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| 16:05.52 | Onyx47 | anyone have any idea why network connections should start failing at random lately? all machines are running buster, using NetworkManager, those using DHCP seem to fail the renewal requests, those with static IPs also seem to just drop out and there's no network traffic coming through to the local network for minutes at the time |
| 16:06.32 | Onyx47 | we're talking multiple locations on different routers, clients are all configured the same though, installed using an unattended installer |
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| 16:07.05 | Onyx47 | and it all started around Sunday-Monday when DST came into effect, which should have no impact, I realize that, but the timing is still curious |
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| 16:14.18 | ntz | hello |
| 16:15.35 | petn-randall | Onyx47: Physical or virtual machines? |
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| 16:16.03 | Onyx47 | petn-randall: all physical |
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| 16:18.58 | c-nister | hey, folks. Anyone using light-dm greeter ? ? |
| 16:19.51 | petn-randall | Onyx47: I can't reproduce the issue with my server running on buster. Do they have the same hardware? Have they (not) rebooted since sunday? |
| 16:20.07 | petn-randall | Hi c-nister, it's better to ask your real question. |
| 16:20.46 | petn-randall | !ask |
| 16:20.46 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/ See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 16:20.50 | c-nister | petn-randall, my login greeter even displays dots in th password field, when I hit backspace. Why and how to fix it ? |
| 16:21.17 | petn-randall | c-nister: That's weird. On which OS release is this? |
| 16:21.35 | c-nister | how to find out this for debian ? |
| 16:22.09 | Onyx47 | petn-randall: they have been rebooted, but the hardware is not the same, it's a variety of kiosk-style machines with differing hardware. I also cannot reproduce on my laptop running buster, nor is it happening on all of the machines. I did not, however, check the network cards in those to see if they are the same or not on the problematic ones... I can go check though |
| 16:22.35 | petn-randall | c-nister: Which OS did you initially install? |
| 16:22.42 | c-nister | debian |
| 16:23.27 | petn-randall | c-nister: What does /etc/debian_version say? |
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| 16:24.26 | c-nister | 5.5.17 ? |
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| 16:24.51 | petn-randall | I guess that's not Debian then. |
| 16:27.04 | imMute | or it's stupidly old? |
| 16:27.24 | jelly | no, that was never a release version |
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| 16:28.31 | Mat63 | Hi |
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| 16:28.59 | Mat63 | Works very well Deb. |
| 16:30.07 | met | that looks more like a kernel version |
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| 17:31.02 | doda | hi guys, any idea if there is a different way except hold package to avoid repo upgrade of an custom build package from deb source? |
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| 17:37.16 | sney | doda: if it's your custom built package, rebuild it with a higher version string. but I would just use hold, personall |
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| 17:58.14 | tpo2 | doda, you can use package pinning for that |
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| 18:00.20 | tpo2 | doda, also, my preferred method is to create dependency meta packages. f.ex: "my_web_server Depends: nginx < 1.7, fish = 10 etc.", I use equivs to build those dependency packages. That way upgrades should never deinstall your stuff because your explicitly installed dependency package hard-depends on specific stuff and versions. |
| 18:00.46 | greycat | (you can't use underscores in pkg names) |
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| 18:05.36 | petn-randall | tpo2: That would work, though on a dist-upgrade you need to take care that your package doesn't get uninstalled. |
| 18:05.36 | drbw | hi! I'm looking to implement automatic apt upgrades with Ansible. I'd like to have some sanity checking after bad experiences with e. g. interrupted upgrades before. can I simulate broken packages somehow for testing? and are there other ways to determine if something went wrong with a previous apt command, like unfinished transactions do with yum? |
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| 18:06.26 | petn-randall | drbw: It really depends on why your upgrades are failing. |
| 18:07.04 | tpo2 | petn-randall, one could always declare the package essential ;-) |
| 18:07.20 | petn-randall | tpo2: I guess that works, too :) |
| 18:07.25 | tpo2 | (not sure if equivs supports that though) |
| 18:07.58 | drbw | petn-randall: that could unfortunately be anything. I don't have to diagnose this specifically, though, just know if apt is currently happy about the system's state. |
| 18:08.35 | taman | drbw, #969949 shows a way to make a pkg install fail. |
| 18:08.36 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/969949 in ucf (open, patch): «ucf: fails in presence of 'set -o pipefail'»; severity: normal; opened: 2020-09-09; last modified: 2020-09-09. |
| 18:09.26 | drbw | judd, nice, thanks! |
| 18:09.31 | tpo2 | drbw, you can kill the calling dpkg or apt or ansible from within the pre/post-install scripts etc. That makes for nice fun. |
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| 18:12.01 | drbw | oof, I just did that tpo2, apt seems to think the package is correctly installed... |
| 18:12.46 | drbw | even though it reported "operation was interrupted before it could finish" before :/ |
| 18:13.40 | genr8_ | thats cause whatever you picked did install correctly, it just failed to configure |
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| 18:14.18 | genr8_ | theres a "config" step after post-install and thats probably what it was in the middle of |
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| 18:14.51 | taman | "The operation was a success but the patient died." |
| 18:15.12 | drbw | yeah exactly :P |
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| 18:17.37 | drbw | I assume config being interrupted can be as serious on Debian as it is on CentOS - I managed that today when installing a new kernel when testing the ansible role, which is basically why I'm asking. |
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| 18:20.39 | tpo2 | drbw, it's possible to determine if a package successfully configured by dpkg. dpkg does keep track. |
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| 18:21.30 | tpo2 | (you can see it in aptitude and in /var/lib/dpkg/status and I think there's way to get to that info to f.ex. via apt and dpkg etc.) |
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| 18:26.06 | drbw | hm I don't think so tpo2 - I just hammered C-c during the post-install and configure steps of apache, it failed to start and all sorts of tasks failed. it's still listed with 'install ok installed' in /var/lib/dpkg/status |
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| 18:31.12 | jelly | drbw: why not just check for exit status of an apt run |
| 18:31.39 | drbw | jelly, to be clear, I want to sanity check *before* running the playbook |
| 18:32.04 | drbw | to prevent e.g. automated reboots when the kernel is broken, which is what I did today ;) |
| 18:32.43 | tpo2 | drbw, hmm, that's not my experience. In my experience interrupted stuff gets fixed in the next run by dpkg. However - evindently I can't argue to the contrary if you've actually experienced it not being so. |
| 18:32.50 | jelly | drbw: does "dpkg --audit" catch that? |
| 18:33.57 | jelly | perhaps you can reproduce the same type of breakage, and test it |
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| 18:38.01 | drbw | hm on this attempt it does, it's sorta hard to time killing it correctly... |
| 18:38.16 | drbw | it's also listed as 'install ok unpacked' now |
| 18:38.36 | drbw | I think I'll go with that until something breaks, with increasing automation that's becoming less likely |
| 18:38.45 | drbw | thanks, I didn't know about the --audit flag! |
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| 18:42.18 | imMute | you could also make a dummy package that simply "exit 1"'s in the postinst (to simulate a postinst failing) |
| 18:44.56 | drbw | imMute, also a good idea, thanks |
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| 18:57.32 | Bushmaster | hello, what I am interested to know whether it is possible to access my directories and files remotely from my other Debian machine |
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| 19:01.43 | drbw | Bushmaster, yes of course, just set up some sort of file server. |
| 19:01.55 | drbw | e.g. NFS or Samba |
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| 19:04.23 | Bushmaster | drbw, and will it work if I am utilizing machine from totally different internal and external IP? |
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| 19:08.23 | taman | Bushmaster, for that you might need a vpn in addition. Not sure how well networked filesystems work over vpns, I guess well if good bandwidth? |
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| 19:08.52 | neilthereildeil | hey guys |
| 19:08.59 | sney | smb is fine over a vpn tunnel |
| 19:09.51 | neilthereildeil | i am running a python application, but cannot find the shell that its attached to (even though i see python running in htop). How can i connect to the shell again? |
| 19:09.58 | Bushmaster | tamn so lets say, i am sitting at office and i want to connect to access files from my other machine, it is not really possible? |
| 19:11.09 | neilthereildeil | htop shows that python's parent is /bin/bash |
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| 19:14.18 | jak2000 | hi all how to use rsync for sync: /home/jak/ftp to /otherdirectory/ftp |
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| 19:21.43 | jak2000 | rsync -zavh /home/pkumar /opt/backup |
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| 19:28.36 | neilthereildeil | any odeas how to connect back to my shell running python |
| 19:29.08 | karlpinc | neilthereildeil: Unless you've used screen or tmux or something you generaly don't. If you're running it in a window, you go to the window and do Ctrl-z to suspend the python job and you wind up back in it's parent shell. |
| 19:29.43 | karlpinc | neilthereildeil: (You can read about job control in 'man bash'.) |
| 19:30.00 | neilthereildeil | karlpinc: what about applications ive run from bash followed by '&'? is there a way to connect to those in the foreground? |
| 19:30.01 | karlpinc | neilthereildeil: jobs, fg, bg, etc. |
| 19:30.17 | karlpinc | neilthereildeil: man bash |
| 19:31.08 | karlpinc | neilthereildeil: There's a whole JOB CONTROL section. |
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| 19:34.51 | jelly | jak2000: why -z for rsync with local source and local destination? |
| 19:35.31 | genr8_ | it could help for SSD -> HDD, right ? |
| 19:35.41 | jelly | how? |
| 19:36.29 | YWH_1 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:36.56 | genr8_ | maybe not. something to do with sequential IO and buffering though |
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| 19:38.50 | genr8_ | YWH_1, that all there is besides BD and custom images |
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| 19:40.39 | YWH_1 | OK |
| 19:40.41 | jelly | YWH_1: if you open https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current/amd64/iso-dvd/ you will be able to read a question "Only the first few images are available! Where are the rest?" that points to te "jigdo" tool |
| 19:40.56 | YWH_1 | TNX |
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| 19:42.48 | jelly | genr8_: there are, in fact, 16 defined DVD images and checksums for all of them, to contain the whole amd64 release, all the packages |
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| 19:43.21 | genr8_ | i count those as custom images |
| 19:43.32 | jelly | they are not custom |
| 19:43.51 | genr8_ | you have to generate them yourself. so its something else. |
| 19:44.20 | jelly | what you generate will be exactly the same as what debian-cd team generated |
| 19:44.32 | azeem | pristine-cd |
| 19:45.59 | genr8_ | I guess you're right https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/jigdo-dvd/ |
| 19:46.24 | genr8_ | ShortInfo='Debian GNU/Linux 10.6.0 "Buster" - Official amd64 DVD Binary-16 20200926-10:17 (20200926)' # Image Hex SHA256Sum 0171f750374478e2a8598c63c6a457cb5d8c50d878059e909d695b3bfa3f7dc5 # Image size 3753641984 bytes |
| 19:47.04 | karlpinc | neilthereildeil: Job control is posix, so is in all the borne shells. (at least) |
| 19:47.52 | jelly | sometimes people ask for torrent image seeds, and the only reasonable way to create less used isos is jigdo |
| 19:47.58 | greycat | All the post-Bourne shells. |
| 19:48.39 | jelly | Ludlum post-Bourne, or Matt Damon post-Bourne? |
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| 19:52.49 | jhutchins | ... for certain definitions of "fine". |
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| 19:54.12 | greycat | Realistically, job control can be useful for quick one-off "oh oops, I forgot to do this one thing, let me suspend my full screen editor and then resume it", but for any serious planned work, tmux or screen is superior. |
| 19:54.55 | azeem | (I still do a lot of job control even in screen sessions) |
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| 19:55.38 | jelly | I like to tail -F /var/log/useful-but-usually-quiet-foo.log & and then proceed to debug foo in the same shell |
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| 19:56.13 | greycat | that isn't job control though, unless you bring it to the foreground for some reason |
| 19:57.05 | jelly | that job is under control! |
| 19:57.32 | greycat | this is getting philosophical :) |
| 19:58.06 | greycat | you're letting it run wild and free, or at least letting it *think* so, but at any moment you could theoretically yank on its chain and take control... you just never will |
| 20:00.26 | jelly | sometimes I manage to debug, configure or give up on foo the desired way, and then I fg and kill the tail |
| 20:00.48 | greycat | Hmm, OK, I guess that counts. |
| 20:01.06 | jelly | other times "jobs" tells me there are like five different tails running |
| 20:01.12 | greycat | you could have killed it without taking control first, but you found it simpler to "fg" Ctrl-C, so yay |
| 20:02.07 | jelly | it's shorter not precise enough. fg ^C not THAT tail fg ^C not that one either fg ^C wait, that was a tcpdump |
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| 20:03.20 | jelly | zsh can do "fg tcpdump", which is handy |
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| 20:04.45 | flayer | crazy |
| 20:06.02 | greycat | in bash, that would be fg %tcpdump |
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| 20:13.04 | sponix2ipfw | greycat jelly sney : you all use any ZFS ? |
| 20:13.21 | sponix2ipfw | Anyone for that matter ? |
| 20:13.31 | azeem | do you have any particular questions? |
| 20:13.38 | ajshell1 | I use ZFS on several OSes |
| 20:14.01 | sponix2ipfw | azeem: sure, my question is if they want to try my backport of zfs 0.8.5 from Sid to Buster :) |
| 20:14.10 | sponix2ipfw | ajshell1: you have any need for that ? |
| 20:14.31 | ajshell1 | I use ZFS on Proxmox (which is debain based), NixOS, Void Linux, and Arch. |
| 20:15.00 | sponix2ipfw | Cool |
| 20:15.02 | ajshell1 | I'll consider it, since I'm considering a new Debian/Devuan install |
| 20:15.16 | sponix2ipfw | ajshell1: https://sponix.cf/Downloads/Debian/backports/zfs/ |
| 20:15.21 | jelly | sponix2ipfw: no, but /msg dpkg anyone |
| 20:15.28 | ajshell1 | Cool. |
| 20:15.32 | sponix2ipfw | ajshell1: packages are in there if you decide to try them out |
| 20:15.41 | sponix2ipfw | ajshell1: please let me know if you have any proglems |
| 20:16.13 | ajshell1 | For people who are using Debian on ZFS, you might want to consider this: https://github.com/zbm-dev/zfsbootmenu , made by an acquaintance of mine. |
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| 20:27.27 | alex11 | what can i use to open .doc in linux? |
| 20:27.32 | alex11 | any options other than libreoffice? |
| 20:29.11 | hop | wv |
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| 20:39.02 | dob1 | if I use exim as smart relay host to send emails via another smtp servers, all the sent mails are saved ? can I delete them (for all the users) with one command? |
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| 20:40.26 | greycat | No, exim will not store a copy of outgoing messages for you. Usually the sender's MUA would do that. |
| 20:41.01 | dob1 | greycat, it's ok then, I prefer this. |
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| 20:43.17 | dob1 | no sorry I got it wrong: is mail(x) considered a mua ? sending a mail with it will store the mail in user mailbox |
| 20:43.50 | greycat | yes, mailx and mail would be examples of MUAs |
| 20:44.34 | greycat | along with mutt, s-nail, Thunderbird, etc. |
| 20:46.05 | dob1 | and where does it stores sent mail? incoming ones are on /var/spool/mail/ |
| 20:46.44 | greycat | your MUA runs as you and stores a copy of your outgoing mail wherever you configure it to do so, which will be somewhere you can write to, usually a subdirectory of your $HOME like ~/mail/ or ~/Mail/ |
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| 20:54.51 | dob1 | it seems it stores it on mbox file |
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| 20:56.04 | greycat | totally MUA-dependent |
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| 21:49.27 | jhutchins | dob1: To clarify, the mailer stores a copy of the message until it is delivered, but then removes it. |
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| 21:59.21 | hop | clear but wrong |
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| 22:08.51 | ratrace | well that's how Postfix queue works |
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| 22:12.44 | jhutchins | hop: Um, true of every mailer I've run so far. |
| 22:13.18 | jhutchins | hop: I've run all three of the big ones. |
| 22:13.27 | jhutchins | sendmail, postfix, exim all do that. |
| 22:14.05 | jhutchins | Not too sure about Exchange, haven't touched it since v5. |
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| 22:21.46 | wwilliam | how to fix? |
| 22:21.49 | wwilliam | http://pastie.org/p/5HjuyvfsBdtOjzrmg8tnNj |
| 22:22.29 | sney | wwilliam: you are out of space in /boot |
| 22:23.20 | wwilliam | Ughhh thanks. |
| 22:23.23 | jmcnaught | My /boot used to be small, but I shrank /boot/efi (backed up, removed partition, created new smaller partition) then enlarged /boot's partition. |
| 22:23.24 | sney | 'apt autoremove' may remove an older kernel that you aren't using, otherwise you might need to make some room manually |
| 22:23.37 | hop | jhutchins: first off, i would use "MTA" and "MUA" if i want to be clear. second, spooled messages are deleted even if they are not delivered, but given up on |
| 22:24.25 | hop | and that's /only/ the standard behaviour. i can make my mta keep all kinds of messages, delivered or not |
| 22:26.07 | hop | and lastly, the op obviously was concerend about mails that _are_ kept, so probably an mua issue, as greycat explained |
| 22:29.59 | wwilliam | sney: Thank you that worked. |
| 22:30.15 | sney | np |
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| 22:50.57 | sponix | alex11: I would say the best option is still to use Office itself. www.office.com lets you do MS Office online |
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| 23:15.41 | jhutchins | hop: How long have you been doing this? |
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| 23:21.07 | jhutchins | hop: We can have a credentials throwdown. You'll loose. You can inform or correct me, but please don't be pedantic with me. |
| 23:21.54 | genr8_ | puts $5 on hop based on that last counter-response alone |
| 23:23.42 | genr8_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:23.54 | jhutchins | genr8_: What year? |
| 23:25.01 | genr8_ | whoosh |
| 23:25.44 | abrotman | MUA is perhaps incorret, and MSA was meant .. |
| 23:25.48 | abrotman | incorrect |
| 23:25.57 | wyoung | jhutchins: What's going on? |
| 23:26.36 | genr8_ | IRC as usual |
| 23:27.03 | jhutchins | wyoung: Oh, just I gave a fairly high level comment on the mail process, and somebody tried to teach me symantics. |
| 23:27.27 | jhutchins | hop: Yeah, there you go again. |
| 23:27.45 | jhutchins | hop: Yeah, there you go again. |
| 23:28.26 | wyoung | jhutchins: I hate it when that happens. |
| 23:29.36 | jhutchins | hop: Excuse me, buffer issues. |
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