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| 00:10.50 | YWH_1 | i'm trying to compile a program from source code. I get an error 127 for de,gmo I searched on the internet for the file, but I can't find it. Any one know how to find out what package has de,gmo? |
| 00:11.04 | YWH_1 | that is de.gmo |
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| 00:11.11 | abrotman | did you try apt-file ? |
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| 00:14.20 | YWH_1 | I just now installed apt-file. I tried apt-file show -f de.gmo but I get no file message |
| 00:14.32 | imMute | also https://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=de.gmo&mode=path&suite=stable&arch=any |
| 00:14.38 | imMute | YWH_1: ^^ |
| 00:14.39 | abrotman | dpkg: tell YWH_1 about apt-file |
| 00:14.42 | YWH_1 | TU |
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| 00:17.22 | brachamh | i'm finding it interesting how each time i do an install on a different system, it configures differently. and then there's the differences i wouldn't think of when doing a console only install versus a full install with DE. |
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| 00:26.12 | raidghost | Got a supermicro machine running debian 10. With 17 drives in raid 6. For some weird reasons. The machine stop responding after some days on power. It doesnt say anything in syslog. And its a bit sad. Any advice how to troubleshoot? since it doesnt let me know if its bad memory, drives or other issues. |
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| 00:31.35 | abrotman | have you tried to ssh and see what's going on? |
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| 01:27.26 | raidghost | abrotman: It doesnt respond at all |
| 01:27.41 | raidghost | it freeze. No nada. |
| 01:28.09 | raidghost | but ive tested a new kernel now. So hopefully the one i used was buggy, And the new one is a more stable kernel. |
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| 01:34.33 | abrotman | are you compiling your own kernels? have you tried the Debian kernel? |
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| 02:02.06 | genr8_ | speaking of compiling your own kernel, I have a weird question/desire. you know how "make localmodconfig" disables all modules not currently loaded? what is the best way to actually DELETE all the files in the tree not being used, (not to affect the final product) but so I can reliably chop down the amount of code being stuck into the kernel and verify it never went in, and then be left with a small pool of files ? |
| 02:02.35 | genr8_ | i have a feeling thats a confusing request |
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| 02:04.49 | genr8_ | I want to audit the code, but 100MB of source files is ridiculous. any ideas on how to narrow the tree down ? other than trial and error |
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| 02:12.31 | genr8_ | my first theory is put a filesystem watch on /usr/src/linux-4.19.152/ and anything that is read, gets excluded from a deletion. but i'm lacking in actual "get er done" plan of what commands to best do that. |
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| 03:23.34 | genr8_ | I think my plan worked. I ended up with a 337MB text file of every filename accessed during the build with inotifywait |
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| 03:25.08 | genr8_ | sort + uniq later, its down to 2.2MB of filenames. now im gonna copy all those over and see what its left with |
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| 03:42.25 | genr8_ | bah thats easier said than done. have to remove directories somehow |
| 03:43.07 | genr8_ | Q: How do i script "Is this pathname a directory as opposed to a file" ? |
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| 03:45.40 | genr8_ | if [ -d /path ] ; i guess |
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| 07:42.36 | unixbsd | hello ! |
| 07:42.42 | rk4 | hello |
| 07:42.57 | alex11 | heaveno |
| 07:43.10 | unixbsd | I would like to install with apt-get a server like sharelatex or similar or overleaf. What would be the apt-get command to install sharelatex? |
| 07:43.26 | unixbsd | (server) |
| 07:43.36 | unixbsd | thank you and I am looking forward to hearing you. |
| 07:44.30 | gry | unixbsd, hi |
| 07:44.45 | gry | unixbsd, i think overleaf/latex is not opensource. not the website itself. am i wrong? |
| 07:47.26 | n4dir | even if it was opensource, a given software doesn't automatically is to be found in the debian repositories. |
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| 07:48.48 | n4dir | seen that way i don't even understand the question. |
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| 07:50.44 | rk4 | vim/emacs + pdflatex is all anyone needs |
| 07:50.48 | rk4 | (: |
| 07:52.17 | Haohmaru | as well as 4KB RAM |
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| 07:54.25 | alex11 | 640K is the original quote |
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| 07:54.29 | alex11 | though i think gates denies saying it |
| 07:55.06 | Haohmaru | 4 .. 640 .. <close_enough.jpg> |
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| 08:25.51 | Fromhell | hallo |
| 08:26.09 | Fromhell | some one here to help |
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| 08:26.49 | alex11 | Fromhell, just ask your question and someone will get around to it |
| 08:31.33 | ratrace | that's gonna be one question from hell...... :)) |
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| 08:47.53 | jim | Fromhell is trying to get to a running X session, but may be on a different virtual console... I don't believe he understands about virtual consoles, and could maybe use that understanding later |
| 08:48.36 | jim | if he's on a different virtual console, maybe the one he wants is vc7 |
| 08:48.49 | jelly | jim: how do you know that? |
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| 08:49.13 | jim | gussing by what he told me on ##linux |
| 08:49.28 | jelly | oh, asking in many channels. |
| 08:49.55 | alex11 | lol |
| 08:49.55 | jim | he's not harmful as far as I can tell |
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| 08:51.18 | jelly | your answers there seemed to be more harmful than their questions... however. If they're getting help on ##linux let's keep it there |
| 08:52.42 | jim | he stopped responding |
| 08:52.54 | jim | so I looked for him :) |
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| 08:54.26 | jim | I want the ##linux population to get better at interacting with helpers, without yelling and telling them off |
| 08:54.54 | jim | but certain situations get very frustrating |
| 08:56.49 | rk4 | places i find useless for help: ##linux |
| 08:57.09 | Fromhell | hallo i put usb but cant finde it /mnt |
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| 08:57.33 | rk4 | Fromhell: check dmesg / lsblk, try mounting manually |
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| 08:58.29 | alex11 | i find #debian tends to be more helpful than ##linux but that only applies if you're using debian, obviously |
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| 09:02.25 | rk4 | yeah debians super helpful. a mix of people who have been around for over a decade, a specific topic, and ubuntu sucking up the low effort users |
| 09:02.43 | rk4 | stops slandering other communities |
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| 10:25.53 | mar77i | good ugt morning. I think I need to ask a couple basic questions. I'm trying to install a package that depends on python3-pyqt5, which apt tells me also depends on qtbayse-abi-5-14-2, apparently an unmet dependency? |
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| 10:27.06 | alex11 | mar77i, what release |
| 10:27.10 | alex11 | stable? testing/sid? |
| 10:27.35 | mar77i | testing |
| 10:27.51 | alex11 | try #debian-next on oftc |
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| 10:39.22 | jelly | !debian-next |
| 10:39.23 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also https://wiki.debian.org/IRC and https://wiki.debian.org/GettingHelpOnIrc |
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| 12:53.49 | dka | Can anyone tell if this help me to find why my server is rebooting randomly https://termbin.com/hske ? |
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| 12:55.39 | ratrace | dka: there's no indication about reboot-invoking failure in that paste |
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| 12:55.57 | dka | this past shows how much reboot it's doing: https://termbin.com/3rx8 |
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| 12:57.11 | dka | And this shos the crash I am having: http://paste.debian.net/1169216/ |
| 12:57.21 | ratrace | dka: you should enable persistent journal so you can look at logged entries prior to reboot, or look up "Command line: BOOT_IMAGE" in your /var/log/kern.log, that's the beginning of your current boot session, so look behind (before) that for any clues |
| 12:57.33 | dka | I can't find the root cause, I keep digging, debian does not help with the logging on random reboot |
| 12:58.45 | dka | This is what I have with your indication ratrace: https://termbin.com/q2pk |
| 12:58.55 | dka | and it seems that it didn't log anything today, while I am sur it rebooted |
| 12:59.35 | dka | and it seems that it didn't log anything today, while I am sur it rebooted. it's not logging anything =/ |
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| 12:59.55 | dka | Is this the case for all linux OS or is there one that can log on reboot the reboot cause? |
| 13:00.00 | ratrace | dka: I'm guessing you have some sort of panic there and the log entries don't make it to the disk |
| 13:00.25 | dka | cat /proc/sys/kernel/panic => 0 |
| 13:00.31 | ratrace | dka: if you can, try tailing dmesg (with -Tw) over ssh and see if you get anything on next reboot, or maybe enable console over serial if you have that ability |
| 13:00.43 | dka | What could cause a panic ? I've checked the temperature and it did not show anything bad |
| 13:01.09 | dka | dmesg does not log anything either, I already tried that |
| 13:01.26 | ratrace | hardware issues usually, and sometimes bad drivers |
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| 13:01.38 | dka | I'm trying once more, also trying with `watch -n 1 -d sensors` |
| 13:02.07 | dka | the hard drive is a SSD, bad drivers ? I do not install any driver myself, I just install debian and update it |
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| 13:02.45 | ratrace | the kernel needs drivers to talk to hardware. lsmod will show a megaton of them in use |
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| 13:03.20 | dka | Do you see anything wrong with the temperature: http://paste.debian.net/1169217/ ? |
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| 13:03.30 | ratrace | on linux, you very rarely, if ever, need to "install a driver" manually, like you would in windows. all the drivers are either in kernel, or "out of tree" and installed with packages. |
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| 13:03.50 | dka | I always install the non-free version of debian, so it can pull the vast majority of driver |
| 13:04.07 | ratrace | modern CPUs have internal throttling so they don't damage on high temps, and I seriously doubt that would cause the behaviour you see |
| 13:04.21 | dka | https://termbin.com/od1lo |
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| 13:04.31 | dka | Do you see some bad things related to the "driver" ? |
| 13:04.48 | ratrace | no |
| 13:05.06 | dka | I have totally no clue, I don't mind to change the OS for a more verbose one in case of critical |
| 13:05.11 | dka | reboot, is there one ? |
| 13:05.21 | dka | I can't fix what I can't see. that's the issue here |
| 13:05.39 | oiaohm | Lot of cases where I have a system causing a random issue reboot without any logs or causes traces to modern day switch mode power supplies having trouble. |
| 13:05.59 | oiaohm | Yes this can be computer pulls exactly X amount of power and the power supply for a split second cuts power. |
| 13:06.38 | oiaohm | Even with a very good scope detecting that split second can be insanely hard. |
| 13:06.45 | dka | you suspect the poweer supply ? it's a basic one, but so does the motherboard ram ssd and cpu |
| 13:07.12 | dka | I am not asking much task, it just run a few docker container for blogs and proxying, i can't blame anything specifically |
| 13:07.25 | oiaohm | There are power regulators on the motherboard as well. |
| 13:07.47 | oiaohm | glitch in the power supply system is a true pain to diagnose. |
| 13:07.51 | dka | What are power regulators ? |
| 13:08.23 | dka | I can try to setup a new one, I need to flight back to paris for this and currently it's not possible there's a new lock down since today |
| 13:08.52 | dka | Well, I'll guess I am stuck until I can inspect the hardware, I inspected it when i was there, nothing was looking weird |
| 13:09.22 | dka | Everything was almost new (4 years old) but switch on less than 6 month for it's whole life time. |
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| 13:09.35 | dka | I tried it and didn't see anything suspiscious. How can I avoid such misadventure in the futur |
| 13:10.24 | oiaohm | dka: to be correct on the mother board they are called https://pcgearlab.com/motherboard/what-are-motherboard-power-phases/ power phases. |
| 13:10.50 | oiaohm | They are meant to clean up power supply noise going to CPU and other critical parts. |
| 13:11.02 | oiaohm | If they don't system goes splat. |
| 13:11.30 | oiaohm | without any ablity for the software to log anything. |
| 13:13.20 | oiaohm | dka: In server farms I have diagnosed problems like this by transfering my workloads to a different system and the problem goes away,. |
| 13:13.38 | oiaohm | So then knowing that server has a hardware problem . |
| 13:14.15 | oiaohm | Yes diagnostics is commonly swap parts until it goes away because you cannot always diagnose it. |
| 13:14.49 | oiaohm | the first time I saw a fault like this was with a Windows 95 computer that would reboot every time you went to install MS Office 97. |
| 13:15.04 | oiaohm | That was powersupply box glitching out. |
| 13:15.21 | oiaohm | but since I have seen it in power supply and in the motherboard power phases. |
| 13:16.03 | oiaohm | Yes this is a fault where nothing physically looks wrong in 99.9% of cases to visual inspection even under microscope. |
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| 13:36.36 | dka | What a shame. So only way is to try replace the hardware ? perhaps using another system could help? |
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| 13:39.27 | dka | I mean, was the problem still happening on Windows 98 ? |
| 13:39.34 | dka | Perhaps that's specific to debian, or to linux |
| 13:39.47 | dka | I could even try to use windows server, perhaps windows add more logs |
| 13:40.06 | dka | something must help to find the root cause other than just replacing the computer part individually |
| 13:42.03 | ratrace | dka: if the power fluctuation caused by hw failure in the PSU cuts electricity to the cpu, what kind of logs do you expect to be written, by what, and powered by what? |
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| 13:45.51 | dka | so you mean that's most likely a power supply issue ? I mean, I can order a 90bucks power supply and test, what are my chances of being right ? (or you to be right) |
| 13:47.09 | ratrace | dka: oiaohm thinks so and I concur, makes sense |
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| 13:48.38 | dka | If I have a 1000 PC with this problem all from different persons and problem, how many of them will be fixed with a new power supply ? can we agree on a percentage ? |
| 13:48.56 | ratrace | we can't |
| 13:49.22 | dka | So what else could it be? So far 2 person 2 agree on this, seems like a high percentage |
| 13:49.59 | ratrace | could be faulty bios, faulty ram, hardware error in cpu, a leaky condenser on the mobo, ... |
| 13:50.28 | ratrace | but first you should rule out 100% that the kernel is not logging anything, if anything then its serial output |
| 13:50.55 | ratrace | it's possible it logs an entry but that doesn't reach the disks, or wouldn't be sent over an ssh connection tailing dmesg |
| 13:51.11 | ratrace | (as those two actions cause quite a lot of additional activity, beside the simple printk) |
| 13:51.34 | ratrace | or just replace the PSU and see if reboots stopped :) |
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| 13:52.46 | jelly | dka: if you have a fleet of 1000 machines you're also probably good with hw vendor and have paid for extended warranty |
| 13:53.12 | dka | jelly, that's where I said from different persons |
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| 13:53.41 | dka | What's the PSU |
| 13:53.46 | ratrace | who in their right mind would order 1000 machines from so many different vendors |
| 13:53.57 | ratrace | dka: Power Supply Unit |
| 13:54.21 | PamiPetteri | P=UI=5V*1A=5VA~5W. So the I=Induction, in Amperes, U=Voltage, P=Power in VoltAmperes, not the same but almost the same as Watts, approximately. Would As, Ampereseconds be the amount of electrons flowing, and Amperes be the amount of electrons flowing per second? |
| 13:54.45 | ratrace | PamiPetteri: wrong chan, bud? |
| 13:55.04 | PamiPetteri | ratrace: ok. I will try ##physics and ##electronics |
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| 13:58.04 | Haohmaru | I isn't induction |
| 13:58.54 | ratrace | slaps Haohmaru with a "Current expressed as I" and also slams the "Offtopic!" sign on the ground. |
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| 14:58.40 | LCRERGO | Hi, I'm trying to compile the kernel for the first time and I see there are kernels that use a naming like: 4.19.0-<generic_name>, where generic_name almost always is the name of the distro, and I would like to know where I can change that name |
| 14:59.50 | unixbsd | there are maybe bash scripts for that... to compile it auto I guess. |
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| 15:04.18 | imMute | so I have a buster system that has iptables rules. one of the rules can't be translated with iptables-translate, but it is actually used on the system. how is that possible? |
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| 15:05.52 | ratrace | imperfect translation program? what rule is that? |
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| 15:07.39 | imMute | it's actually a couple of them, all revolving around marking IP addresses (for example, try to open SSH connections too quickly == get completely blacklisted for some amount of time). |
| 15:07.45 | imMute | the simplest rule is -t filter -A DO_BLACKLIST -m recent --set --name BLACKLIST --mask 255.255.255.255 --rsource -j DROP |
| 15:09.01 | imMute | maybe I should just bit the bullet and learn nftables directly. the whole rule set is pretty simple... |
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| 15:27.37 | jelly | imMute: you can switch back from iptables-nft to older with "update-alternatives --config iptables" |
| 15:27.59 | jelly | until you migrate off that |
| 15:28.50 | imMute | jelly: the rule is working when loaded with iptables-nft. it just doesn't convert when i use iptables-translate |
| 15:29.25 | jelly | oh, alirght then |
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| 15:30.05 | imMute | I was thinking I could use iptables-translate to get an equivalent nftables config and then completely purge iptables. but now I think I might have to just write the nftables rules by hand (and learn nftables in the process) |
| 15:30.06 | jelly | tfm for iptables-translate does say some rules are not supported for whichever reason |
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| 15:39.45 | dob1 | ,v xorg |
| 15:39.46 | judd | Package: xorg on amd64 -- jessie: 1:7.7+7; buster: 1:7.7+19; stretch: 1:7.7+19; bullseye: 1:7.7+21; sid: 1:7.7+21 |
| 15:42.12 | dob1 | the next debian will still use xorg right? |
| 15:42.24 | ax562 | yes |
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| 16:10.09 | sponix2ipfw | why did the bot list stretch after buster ? |
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| 16:19.09 | karlpinc | sponix2ipfw: Alphabetical? |
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| 16:45.36 | ecraven | hello ;) is there a way to specify a specific fallback address for dhcp, instead of that generic link-local one? |
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| 16:46.00 | imMute | ecraven: depends on your dhcp client |
| 16:46.16 | imMute | probably best to ask your distro, since it's distro specific too |
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| 16:47.07 | ecraven | that's why I'm asking here, debian buster ;) |
| 16:47.21 | ecraven | dhclient, it seems |
| 16:49.19 | imMute | whoops, I thought this was ##networking |
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| 16:55.24 | GenTooMan | any suggestions of a process monitor that allows you to view processes hierarchically? IE sub processes are grouped under the parent. I am trying to figure out how much space firefox uses and how much space running something under a shell uses etc. |
| 16:56.06 | imMute | I like htop |
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| 16:56.24 | imMute | ps can show a tree of processes too |
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| 17:01.39 | raver | Yea htop does a good job |
| 17:03.03 | karlpinc | ps ax --forest |
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| 17:05.15 | jelly | if you like bsd style options for ps you might as well do ps axf, ... or ps fax |
| 17:07.57 | dka | how can I avoid the ": Broken pipe" over SSH? |
| 17:08.08 | dka | I just got the server that restarted and the dmesg -Tw stopped because of it |
| 17:08.10 | dka | still no trace |
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| 17:09.29 | wigums | dka loook into mosh maybe |
| 17:09.36 | dka | what's mosh? |
| 17:09.49 | wigums | its for latency issues with ssh |
| 17:10.03 | wigums | google or ddg it |
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| 17:11.18 | alex11 | 'apt show mosh' |
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| 17:12.46 | dka | I wish I could instead find why my server is rebooting |
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| 17:20.52 | hop | mosh wouldn't help. if other end goes away, that's that. they won't magically be buffered until after the reboot |
| 17:21.05 | jmcnaught | dka: what does it say in the logs? |
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| 17:23.37 | dka | Which logs ? |
| 17:23.43 | dka | dmesg ? nothing |
| 17:24.25 | jmcnaught | Running dmesg only shows you the current boot. Check /var/log/syslog, find where the current boot starts and look up from there. |
| 17:24.26 | ctcx | Is offtopic allowed here? |
| 17:24.52 | dka | I've tried also and i see nothing |
| 17:25.18 | hop | ctcx: /topic |
| 17:25.27 | jmcnaught | dka: or enable persistent journal (/usr/share/doc/systemd/README.Debian) and use "journalctl --boot=-1 --pager-end" |
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| 17:26.41 | ctcx | hop: what? |
| 17:26.55 | jmcnaught | !ot |
| 17:26.55 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
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| 17:28.08 | dka | Thanks jmcnaught , I've done: mkdir -p /var/log/journal; systemd-tmpfiles --create --prefix /var/log/journal; |
| 17:28.19 | dka | now I can't see the journal, i'll try to check on next failure |
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| 17:28.38 | dka | Some people here told me to try to replace the PSU, I don't rememmber what is the motherboard |
| 17:28.47 | dka | Will any PSU with ATX do the job ? |
| 17:29.16 | dka | I only have one ssd harddrive with sata, and I don't think there's much more to power, is 500W enough? |
| 17:29.51 | hop | ctcx: there is a "topic" set on this channel. i don't know where it shows up for you - that depends on your client. but entering the command `/topic` usually shows it. it is considered polite to read the topic after entering a channel. |
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| 17:36.42 | pagios | hello , trying to install linux headers on devian and it says no match pt-get install -y "kernel-devel-$(uname -r)" |
| 17:38.05 | sney | pagios: the package is linux-headers-$(uname -r), what debian version is this and what instructions are you looking at? |
| 17:38.13 | sney | kernel-devel is redhat naming, I thought. |
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| 17:38.42 | pagios | E: Unable to locate package linux-headers-4.9.0-7-amd64 |
| 17:38.56 | pagios | Description:Debian GNU/Linux 9.13 (stretch) |
| 17:39.01 | pagios | sney: ^ |
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| 17:40.32 | sney | pagios: the last stretch kernel was 4.9.0-14, you will need to update first. |
| 17:40.55 | sney | pagios: in short, you could 'apt install linux-image-amd64 linux-headers-amd64' and that will get you the latest version of both |
| 17:42.23 | jhutchins | Does Debian have any geneology/family tree/ancestry programs? My search terms aren't yeilding anything. |
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| 17:45.56 | hmuller | jhutchins: https://www.linuxlinks.com/familyhistory/ |
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| 17:46.55 | jelly | Lady_Aleena: ^ hey, do you know of any <jhutchins> Does Debian have any geneology/family tree/ancestry programs? My search terms aren't yeilding anything. |
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| 18:14.46 | alex11 | bullseye freeze starts soonish, that's fun |
| 18:16.50 | sney | 2.5 months |
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| 18:18.41 | Bushymaster | Hi folks, what I am struggling or clearly like to know whether it is possible to access my directories from remote computer, and I do not mean LAN setting, so for example right now I am sitting at office and I want to access my directories at home Debian machine, which is running, can it be possible to access it from my office Debian machine at all? |
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| 18:20.34 | sney | Bushymaster: set up a vpn tunnel between your two machines, and use samba |
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| 18:23.28 | Bushymaster | sney, thanks, setting up VPN tunnel is free? |
| 18:23.44 | sponix2ipfw | sney: I had my samba open to the outside world. 28K login attempts lol |
| 18:24.00 | sney | Bushymaster: yup, you're the one hosting it. |
| 18:24.19 | sney | wireguard is the current popular one for linux->linux tunnels |
| 18:25.01 | sponix2ipfw | sney: I now forwarded the samba port coming from outside to a nowhere port |
| 18:26.02 | sney | sponix2ipfw: cifs isn't really ideal for use over the public internet, even if you hid it from bots. if it works for you, fine, but don't recommend that to others |
| 18:26.18 | Bushymaster | sney, I guess, I have lot to learn, i have never done these, before, I only know ssh but that I utilize from LAN at home |
| 18:26.20 | sponix2ipfw | Bushymaster: https://serversideup.net/courses/gain-flexibility-and-increase-privacy-with-wireguard-vpn/ |
| 18:26.31 | Bushymaster | sponix2ipfw, let me check out thanks |
| 18:27.22 | sponix2ipfw | Bushymaster: that course taught me the basics and I was able to setup wireguard between this phone and my home computer |
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| 18:28.23 | sponix2ipfw | sney: Yeah.. I share to my kids Windows 10 gaming rigs |
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| 18:28.32 | Bushymaster | sponix2ipfw, thanks, so there is no short cut to access my files from current machine now sney |
| 18:28.52 | sney | Bushymaster: any "short cut" would be insecure. |
| 18:29.29 | sney | Bushymaster: if you spend the time to do it properly now, it will be easy afterwards. |
| 18:29.43 | Bushymaster | sney, spend time doing what? |
| 18:30.15 | sney | spend time reading the wireguard instructions, and creating the vpn hosted on your home machine. |
| 18:30.47 | sponix2ipfw | Bushymaster: using ssh and sftp is probably the quickest way to just share files. If you only need that |
| 18:31.15 | sponix2ipfw | sshd doing sftpd and Filezilla for the client |
| 18:31.25 | sney | yes, if you need to copy stuff occasionally, sftp/scp/rsync etc are fine. but Bushymaster said "I want to access my directories at home Debian machine" |
| 18:31.49 | sney | which means vpn + samba. it's really not that hard, if you relax and read the instructions and try to do it. |
| 18:32.09 | sponix2ipfw | Yeah.. Wireguard it is then |
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| 18:33.28 | sponix2ipfw | IMHO it is even easier than OpenVPN |
| 18:33.42 | sponix2ipfw | Lighter on resources too |
| 18:33.45 | Bushymaster | sponix2ipfw, and sney ssh and sft work from remote machine, outside of LAN? |
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| 18:33.56 | sney | sure, you just need to nat it |
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| 18:34.07 | Bushymaster | sney, what is nat? |
| 18:36.18 | another | sshfs ? |
| 18:36.43 | sponix2ipfw | Bushymaster: seems you need to read up at the portforward.com website |
| 18:37.26 | sney | network address translation aka port forwarding |
| 18:37.45 | sney | if you port forward ssh, don't use the standard port 22, botnets will attack you. use some random 3 or 4 digit number instead |
| 18:38.26 | sponix2ipfw | Yes alt port on the outside for sure |
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| 18:38.51 | sponix2ipfw | 65532 works well |
| 18:38.55 | Bushymaster | sney, this machine I am sitting and utilizing internet, I have no control to it, but my home machines, port 80 is open |
| 18:39.42 | Bushymaster | so what is the command sponix2ipfw to access directories ? ssh@usernane or something like that? |
| 18:39.43 | sponix2ipfw | Bushymaster: how much is security a priority? |
| 18:39.59 | sney | you would need to use your home router to forward a port on the public interface to the ssh port (22) on your home machine. |
| 18:40.07 | Bushymaster | sponix2ipfw, at the moment no security, issue i just wanna try whether it work |
| 18:41.03 | Bushymaster | sney, port 22 at public is not open, as far i know, in home machine, but port 80 is public open |
| 18:41.18 | sponix2ipfw | Bushymaster: if you want to do things the lazy way with GUI. TeamViewer is an option :) |
| 18:41.34 | sney | Bushymaster: port 80 has nothing to do with this. |
| 18:41.54 | sney | Bushymaster: you would need to *do* these things from your home machine. |
| 18:42.08 | Bushymaster | sney, so at home router, if I open port 22 at public, i should be able to utilize ssh from this machine where i am now right? |
| 18:42.10 | sney | Bushymaster: no matter what approach you take, you will need to set it up from your home machine/home network FIRST. |
| 18:42.46 | sney | Bushymaster: sure, you and all of china. please believe me that you do not want to have port 22 open to the public, you NEED to use a different port. see your router's manual. |
| 18:43.14 | Bushymaster | sney, what about port 80 |
| 18:43.20 | Bushymaster | cos its already open |
| 18:43.26 | sney | stop talking about port 80. |
| 18:43.44 | sney | if you mention port 80 again I'm putting you on ignore. it's irrelevant. pay attentioni. |
| 18:43.59 | sponix2ipfw | lmao @ port 80 |
| 18:44.33 | Bushymaster | you said different port other than port 22 hence i asked |
| 18:44.54 | sney | the amazing thing about irc is you can still see all the stuff we already told you. such as this: |
| 18:44.55 | sney | [12:37:44] <sney> if you port forward ssh, don't use the standard port 22, botnets will attack you. use some random 3 or 4 digit number instead |
| 18:45.07 | Bushymaster | port 22, i can access files from one machine to another at home though via ssh |
| 18:45.15 | sponix2ipfw | Bushymaster: put it on 65532 public and 22 local |
| 18:45.41 | Bushymaster | let me copy that and when i return home i will try |
| 18:46.31 | Bushymaster | what is that command ? I forgot it? ssh@ username or something |
| 18:46.40 | sney | !refcard |
| 18:46.40 | dpkg | A short reference of Debian commands - quite useful for someone new to Debian - can be found at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/refcard/refcard.en.pdf and packaged for Debian as debian-refcard. See also <grounding>, <vim refcard>. |
| 18:46.41 | sponix2ipfw | Bushymaster: portforward.com website should have specific information on your router to do it |
| 18:47.46 | Bushymaster | sponix2ipfw, I can portforward from home router yes I still need to know what is that command for ssh to access directories |
| 18:48.10 | sponix2ipfw | Bushymaster: Google it lol |
| 18:49.10 | sney | 'man ssh' |
| 18:49.24 | sponix2ipfw | Sney: should I go for a 2nd beer? |
| 18:49.49 | sney | lol |
| 18:49.49 | lnslbrty | rand() % 2 |
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| 18:50.15 | sponix2ipfw | lnslbrty: these are life's real questions |
| 18:50.24 | dokma | sudo apt-get build-dep socat |
| 18:50.35 | dokma | apt-get source socat |
| 18:50.39 | dokma | and then building fails for me |
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| 18:50.52 | dokma | Debian stable |
| 18:50.58 | dokma | Can anyone verify this? |
| 18:51.03 | sney | !b-e |
| 18:51.03 | dpkg | well, build-essential is a package designed to help you create executables and build Debian packages. If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables or can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to "aptitude install build-essential". If you don't plan to compile things, you don't need this package. See also <qotd49>. |
| 18:51.05 | sponix2ipfw | dokma: shit happens. You have a log? |
| 18:51.34 | dokma | xio-openssl.c: In function â_xioopen_openssl_prepareâ: |
| 18:51.34 | dokma | xio-openssl.c:1081:5: error: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type âDHâ {aka âstruct dh_stâ} |
| 18:51.34 | dokma | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:51.39 | dokma | This is what fails... |
| 18:52.39 | sponix2ipfw | dokma: and you are not just using the repo provided package because? |
| 18:52.53 | sney | ,v socat |
| 18:52.54 | judd | Package: socat on amd64 -- jessie: 1.7.2.4-2; stretch: 1.7.3.1-2+deb9u1; buster: 1.7.3.2-2; bullseye: 1.7.3.4-1; sid: 1.7.3.4-1; experimental: 2.0.0~beta9-1 |
| 18:52.58 | dokma | sponix: trying to enable readline |
| 18:53.07 | dokma | sponix2ipfw: ^^ |
| 18:53.12 | sponix2ipfw | Oh |
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| 18:53.45 | dokma | sponix2ipfw: it's disabled in Debian because of some dumb license incompatibility with ssl I think |
| 18:54.23 | dokma | This looks similar: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1404290 |
| 18:55.43 | BCMM | how can i read the long description from a .deb file? i know i can just extract it and read the control file, but i feel like there must be a command for this |
| 18:55.48 | Bushymaster | sponix2ipfw, also i just found out this machine i am stting, i cant access websites |
| 18:56.17 | sney | BCMM: that sounds like a job for dpkg-deb. not sure what command, check the man page |
| 18:56.53 | BCMM | sney: ah! thanks. -I isn't listed in the dpkg man page, even though the dpkg command takes dpkg-deb options |
| 18:57.07 | sney | np |
| 18:57.11 | sponix2ipfw | dokma: I am concentrating on catching a buzz and am on my phone. So can't easily tinker with this |
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| 18:58.56 | dokma | Hmmm... apt-get source downloads the wrong version of the package? |
| 18:59.08 | sponix2ipfw | dokma: you could try to backport it from Sid |
| 18:59.27 | sney | dokma: maybe you have a deb-src entry for something other than buster |
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| 18:59.34 | dokma | I think I remember some known trickery of apt-get source downloading wrong versions. |
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| 19:00.01 | sney | deb-src priority with multiple releases is... hinky. it's a known issue with no real fix |
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| 19:03.08 | sponix2ipfw | dokma: when I get back to my full sized keyboard at work I will try the backport for it. As long as it doesn't require a new ssl version as a dependency |
| 19:04.15 | dokma | Yeah, this works: apt-get source socat=1.7.3.2-2 |
| 19:04.20 | sponix2ipfw | If it works I will post it to my website |
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| 19:04.42 | dokma | sponix2ipfw: I had to specify the version explicitly. For some reason it downloaded the version from unstable. |
| 19:05.34 | sponix2ipfw | dokma: I'm with sney. Your source lines might be jacked up |
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| 19:13.07 | sponix2ipfw | sney: I don't even have src for Buster. And only toggle on Sid for backporting |
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| 19:17.56 | Akuw | i just installed debian, but shutdown is not installed |
| 19:18.05 | sney | !sbin |
| 19:18.06 | dpkg | Some binaries, particularly system utilities are installed to /sbin or /usr/sbin rather than /bin or /usr/bin. The former directories are not in a standard user's PATH. Try calling them directly, e.g. /sbin/ifconfig, or running them as root. See also <buster su>. |
| 19:18.08 | Akuw | command not found |
| 19:18.25 | Akuw | i am running as root |
| 19:18.33 | sney | !buster su |
| 19:18.34 | dpkg | In buster, su no longer overrides PATH by default, requiring that you use "su -" or "su -l" for login shells (which is not really a new thing at all...). To approximate the previous behaviour, put "ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes" in /etc/default/su (create it). See https://wiki.debian.org/NewInBuster#Changes for details. |
| 19:20.46 | sponix2ipfw | sney: Yeah that is an unnecessary ass pain imho |
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| 19:21.55 | sponix2ipfw | Just one more thing to remember |
| 19:23.32 | sney | I must be the wrong age to have learned that particular su habit, so this repeat question was a shock for me. maybe it's part of the 'sudo su' ubuntu pants-on-head cult |
| 19:24.06 | sney | I wonder if there's any movement to change it back. |
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| 19:25.24 | sney | #907194 has some discussion |
| 19:25.25 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/907194 in util-linux (open, wontfix, upstream): «su: yields breakage without "-", not properly documented»; severity: important; opened: 2018-08-24; last modified: 2019-07-28. |
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| 19:32.00 | sponix2ipfw | sney: I come from an Ubuntu/Mint background so sudo is a thing for sure |
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| 19:32.35 | greycat | .oO( Why can't they install sudo *and* keep a root password, so that you can actually boot in single-user mode? ) |
| 19:33.04 | nifker | I just tried to compile pipewire on debian but it says it cant fine bluez even though installed |
| 19:33.12 | sney | sponix2ipfw: I use sudo all the time, and I have since (iirc) before ubuntu had a public release. it's "sudo su" that is madness. |
| 19:33.16 | sney | !sudo su |
| 19:33.16 | dpkg | Typing "sudo su" is like typing "cat file | cat". If you want a non-login shell as root, just use "sudo -s". If you want a login shell, "sudo -i". There's no need to run two different superuser-elevation programs chained back to back. See also <buster su> |
| 19:35.06 | greycat | nifker: apt-cache search -- bluez -dev |
| 19:35.33 | greycat | or check the config.log (or equivalent) file for more specific errors |
| 19:38.40 | BCMM | when making a package with debhelper, how can i clarify that a file installed in /etc/ is *not* a config file? |
| 19:39.08 | sney | #packaging or #debian-mentors (both on OFTC) are probably a better venue for that question |
| 19:39.09 | BCMM | i.e. it just needs to be installed if the package is installed, and there is no point in it remaining installed after the package is removed |
| 19:39.28 | BCMM | thanks, i'll try there after an appropriate delay |
| 19:39.49 | sney | I would guess that it's documented in policy, and is probably a packagename.install option or something of the sort |
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| 19:41.56 | BCMM | sney: debian-mentors would be for packages that are intended to actually get on to debian mirrors, right? |
| 19:43.48 | sponix2ipfw | sney: interesting.... I am a sudo su offender |
| 19:44.13 | sponix2ipfw | sney: He quit, so I guess there is no need for me to try the backport of socat on his behalf |
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| 19:53.30 | sponix2ipfw | sney: so, if I just install readline, will the socat build from Sid detect that for readline support.. Or do I have to stop at a half step and ./configure --with-readline or such before it will take ? |
| 19:53.51 | sponix2ipfw | guess, I will look at the source with ./configure --help to know for sure |
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| 20:02.40 | nifker | greycat: https://paste.gg/p/anonymous/ac8d5b61154d443c9b86ec1e551e2910 |
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| 20:06.49 | greycat | nifker: don't show the output to me. Read it yourself. Install whichever -dev package you feel is correct. I don't even know what a "bluez" is. |
| 20:07.14 | greycat | 'I'm buildnig something and a thing is missing" "Figure out which -dev package you need. Install it." |
| 20:08.21 | nifker | Ive no clue I installed multiple and still didnt found it |
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| 20:43.56 | alexrelis[m] | I think my python user environment is broken. When I tried running programs installed by pip, they all give an error. Like, for example, if I ran `speedtest`, I get the error `ImportError: No module named speedtest`. What can I do to fix this? |
| 20:45.40 | jhutchins | alexrelis[m]: You might need #python. |
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| 21:06.12 | jelly | alexrelis[m]: did you run "pip install ..." as root? |
| 21:06.19 | jelly | don't do that |
| 21:07.40 | jelly | virtualenv / venv and pip install in there, so when it breaks it only ruins that separate environment instead of the system python |
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| 21:31.47 | fergal32 | waves hello |
| 21:31.53 | alex11 | hi fergal32 |
| 21:32.04 | fergal32 | hi alex11 |
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| 21:33.27 | alexrelis[m] | [jelly](https://matrix.to/#/@freenode_jelly:matrix.org): no. I run my pip and pip3 commands as a regular user. |
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| 21:33.55 | Bushymaster | greetings all, may I ask what grep command does and how to utilize it? |
| 21:36.00 | alex11 | it searches text for certain patterns |
| 21:36.07 | alex11 | you can find out more via 'man grep' |
| 21:36.27 | jmcnaught | Bushymaster: grep reads its input and prints the lines that match a pattern. It is like the "Find in file" feature of a text editor. "grep foobar test.txt" would print all the lines containing 'foobar' in the file 'test.txt'. |
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| 21:37.42 | Bushymaster | jmcnaught, thanks a lot and thanks to alex11 too |
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| 21:41.25 | jmcnaught | It is called grep for Global Regular Expression Print. |
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| 21:58.51 | charking | Hello. I have a question about the Debian package process. I'm on Buster and a package has a bug that renders it unusable. Someone reported the bug, it was fixed in Bullseye, and marked resolved. How/when does that change make it back to stable? Is the bug truly "resolved"? |
| 21:59.09 | charking | (The package is xfce4-weather-plugin.) |
| 22:01.24 | genr8_ | march |
| 22:01.39 | genr8_ | too long to rely on that mechanism. you'll have to take action into your own hands |
| 22:02.56 | genr8_ | how good are you with compiling from source ? |
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| 22:04.01 | charking | genr8_: I made a backport from the testing source using the "SimpleBackport" guide and it works great. I was just wondering about the process. Are things supposed to go on testing before they go on stable? |
| 22:04.24 | genr8_ | essentially, yes. thats the process. |
| 22:04.50 | genr8_ | so you did the right thing. it will make it back |
| 22:05.06 | charking | OK, thanks. I wondered if it was a mistake that the bug was mark resolved since it's not fixed on stable, but sounds like not. |
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| 22:05.47 | genr8_ | well i guess theres more complexity there depending on how serious it was |
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| 22:06.30 | charking | The package shows weather information but stopped working because the API changed. So stable is basically unusable for everyone as is. |
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| 22:07.10 | charking | (weather service's API) |
| 22:07.29 | Janni | Hi there. I'm confused... why doesn't yield `seq 10 | /usr/bin/parallel -n1 'echo {}'` any output? |
| 22:07.31 | genr8_ | its probably worth filing a 2nd bug to get that to happen sooner than march, saying exactly what you said, the fix was resolved, but current stable is broken |
| 22:08.30 | Janni | Oh right. aptitude install parallel |
| 22:08.42 | genr8_ | :) |
| 22:08.48 | charking | genr8_: Thank you, I will try. How did you figure out that it'd come to stable in March? |
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| 22:08.59 | Janni | Confusing, since moreutils contains a version of parallel.. |
| 22:09.21 | genr8_ | thats when Bullseye switches and becomes "stable" |
| 22:09.40 | genr8_ | the natural release cycle relies on the next version taking over |
| 22:09.40 | charking | Oh, ha :) |
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| 22:11.54 | genr8_ | but yeah, they tend to just wait for stuff to cycle over all at once rather than cherrypick fixes. but in the case that its super broken I think they'd make an exception - IF they realize. which they probably don't. so you should file a bug and poke someone |
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| 22:16.08 | genr8_ | Maintainer: Debian Xfce Maintainers <pkg-xfce-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org> |
| 22:16.55 | genr8_ | that mailing list is also likely to get some movement going |
| 22:17.20 | charking | thanks! |
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