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| 00:35.23 | Cobs | Hey, anyone here familiar with grub on the PPC64 arch? Getting stuck at a Welcome to GRUB! screen with white background. On an IBM POWER6 550. Trying to install debian-10.0.0-ppc64-netinst |
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| 00:40.20 | dvs | ??? |
| 00:40.28 | dvs | Are you sure about the iso name? |
| 00:41.22 | Cobs | Yeah, I pulled it from https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/ports/snapshots/2020-05-30/ |
| 00:41.53 | Cobs | Managed to get it to install, but upon reboot gets stuck at Welcome to grub and does nothing, no drive activity |
| 00:42.34 | Cobs | trying to use yaboot just complains it can't find a config file at device NULL /etc/yaboot.conf. Have confirmed that it was in /boot/yaboot.conf and /etc/yaboot.conf, gave up and hoped grub would do the trck |
| 00:43.09 | dvs | I'm just wondering why it isn't the latest snapshot |
| 00:43.10 | Cobs | unfortunately having to use a SID as there doesn't seem to be many stable, if at all, PPC64 isos |
| 00:43.42 | Cobs | I had the same issue with newer ones so thought to try an older one. |
| 00:43.50 | Cobs | I'll try reflashing a newer one again |
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| 00:48.57 | Cobs | flashed the latest https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/ports/snapshots/2019-01-25/ ppc64 to a usb..annoyingly it takes like 10 minutes to boot on this ol server |
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| 00:49.13 | Cobs | wrong link but nvm |
| 00:49.51 | dvs | https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/ports/snapshots/2020-10-13/ |
| 00:50.30 | Cobs | cheers |
| 00:50.56 | Cobs | i'm betting its probably an IBM firmware problem as i'm stuck on one from 2010..annoyingly for a 10 y/o server they still lock the firmware downloads behind a paywall |
| 00:52.29 | themill | Sure it's ppc64 and not ppc64el that you need for that machine? |
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| 00:53.29 | Cobs | Yeah, power7+ is ppc64el |
| 00:53.37 | Cobs | this is power6 |
| 00:53.47 | themill | fun times |
| 00:53.59 | Cobs | indeed, been down that rabbit hole already haha |
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| 01:03.53 | Cobs | hmmm this latest image is stuck at Loading... after pushing expert install. will leave it 10 mins more but it usually only takes 10 minutes to load from usb |
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| 01:07.46 | Cobs | finally loaded..time to install again |
| 01:08.12 | Cobs | nvm can't mount the install media :/ |
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| 01:09.04 | dvs | That's usually a sign that the media was written incorrectly. |
| 01:09.58 | Cobs | I used rufus as usual, renaming it to .img to write in dd mode |
| 01:10.00 | Cobs | I'll reflash |
| 01:10.27 | dvs | !win32imager |
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| 01:10.36 | dvs | !win32diskimager |
| 01:10.36 | dpkg | win32diskimager is much more reliable than <unetbootin> for copying ISO images to USB sticks and you can download it from http://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ . Adjust the file mask from *.img to *.* if it doesn't show Debian .iso images. See <usb install> and <install debian> for further details. |
| 01:10.50 | Cobs | alright, downloading now |
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| 01:14.50 | Cobs | flashed it and verified successfully. Will try ooting now |
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| 01:15.37 | themill | have you written it to the device or to a partition on the device (e.g. /dev/sdx or /dev/sdx1)? |
| 01:16.43 | Cobs | i flashed from windows so just used diskpart to wipe everything on the usb. for the debian install i created 512mb /boot ext2 (also tried ext3 and 4), 8.00mb PReP, 20GB /swap and the rest allocated to / |
| 01:17.05 | Cobs | waiting for the server to restart so i can boot this new image |
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| 01:27.33 | Cobs | booting the usb now, had to reboot server again as sms didn't pickup the usb first time round |
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| 01:41.02 | Cobs | same problem, failed to mount installation media |
| 01:41.14 | Cobs | odd how it works fine on the older snapshots |
| 01:42.09 | Cobs | log shows missing firmware for /dev/.udev/firmware-missing |
| 01:42.22 | Cobs | are there any net installs with non free repos enabled? |
| 01:44.19 | Cobs | can't see any in http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ for ppc64 builds |
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| 07:32.19 | tnR | hello |
| 07:32.50 | tnR | I get the following error on debian installation |
| 07:33.01 | tnR | unable to install grub in dummy fatal error |
| 07:33.24 | tnR | 2x 4TB disk, sotfaware raid0 debian10 |
| 07:33.53 | tnR | UEFI |
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| 07:51.33 | b_100205 | User's Session Startup Script is just the /etc/init.d folder? |
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| 08:12.33 | shtrb | I just got an e-mail from cron daemon with the title "Cron <user@machinename> script name", but If I run crontab -e for that user I don't see any command at all (but I remember setting them via crontab -e in the past). where should I look for the config file ? tried already in /var/spool/cron/crontabs (but it's gone from there already) |
| 08:12.40 | jelly | b_100205: no, those are global/system legacy init scripts |
| 08:13.00 | shtrb | I must be missing something very basic (as I didn't touch cron for ages) |
| 08:15.18 | jelly | shtrb: what's the actual subject? Look inside /etc/cron.*/ directories and /etc/crontab |
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| 08:16.54 | shtrb | jelly, I can see in syslog "CRON[2676]: (user) CMD ($HOME/scriptname.pl magicvalue)" and my subject "Cron <user@hostname> $HOME/scriptname.pl magicvalue" with a content that is related to that script error (the error is correct). |
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| 08:19.19 | shtrb | Checked already in /etc/cron.d ,/etc/cron.daily, /etc/cron.weekly , /etc/cron.monthly and /etc/crontab (no mentioning of that script execution) |
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| 08:21.55 | iamjfk11 | (-.-) |
| 08:22.59 | jelly | shtrb: is it really user "user" nane host "hostname"? Did you manipulate contents of /var/spool/cron/crontabs manually at any point? |
| 08:24.06 | shtrb | I replaced the user that exist on my machine to "user" here , and hostname from my machine to "hostname" , I doubt I had manually edited /var/spool/cron/crontab manually ever (only used crontab -e) |
| 08:26.32 | jelly | makes it harder to help if you hide actual info |
| 08:27.30 | jelly | maybe the mail comes from a different host. Maybe it's the gremlins. |
| 08:27.44 | shtrb | mail come from the same machine (as expected) |
| 08:28.36 | shtrb | to be exact "Cron Daemon <root@hostname>" (same host as in subject) |
| 08:29.30 | jelly | I'll let someone else comment on this issue, I can't be bothered to guess which parts you've changed and which are true |
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| 08:30.40 | unixbsd | I installed thunar,. but I miss all icons, |
| 08:30.47 | unixbsd | how to get the icons in thunar with apt-get? |
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| 09:00.54 | ratrace | new youtube-dl is on pypi, download it while you can. |
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| 09:05.36 | dob1 | it's possible to know which flags were used for compiling firefox? |
| 09:05.46 | Deknos | did they remove stuff which the github ceo requested? |
| 09:07.11 | ratrace | the GH repo is still down. but the package has been released and, I guess among other places, directly to PyPI, thus it's pip installable into a virtualenv |
| 09:07.34 | ratrace | I don't know if they removed those links, but that was documentation only, no? |
| 09:08.07 | ratrace | dob1: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/274673/how-to-get-the-compiler-flags-that-are-used-to-build-the-binaries-in-a-deb-pa |
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| 09:09.11 | azeem | somebody claimed that (some of) the unit tests were downloading infringing material |
| 09:09.39 | azeem | plus there's the rolling cipher thing which I haven't read up on, both things haven't been addressed in the latest release according to the changelog |
| 09:09.53 | ratrace | so then they should file a DMCA against all the browsers and technically all the operating systems too |
| 09:10.22 | shtrb | ratrace, isn't the version in the debian repository safe from RIAA claims ? |
| 09:10.36 | Deknos | ratrace, i thought the ceo requested that they remove the rolling-cipher-circumvention? |
| 09:10.46 | shtrb | ratrace, don't give them ideas |
| 09:10.48 | ratrace | the version in debian is currently broken and doesn't work |
| 09:11.03 | ratrace | shtrb: oh I'd live to see them go after chrome. google would eat them for breakfast. |
| 09:11.05 | Deknos | but i do not think i have all the information |
| 09:11.07 | ratrace | *like |
| 09:11.15 | azeem | Deknos: yeah |
| 09:11.31 | azeem | where "the ceo" being the github guy |
| 09:11.44 | Deknos | yeah |
| 09:11.45 | azeem | maybe they just don't feel like continuing on github |
| 09:11.51 | Deknos | i hope so. |
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| 09:13.26 | shtrb | ratrace, they will just make it fineable to use chrome :D |
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| 09:30.53 | genr8_ | something interesting with the different versions. |
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| 09:32.51 | ratrace | the rolling cipher is a red herring anyway, a bullet point to argue a court case in front of layman judges... https://elcocoliche.com/deciphering-youtubes-rolling-cypher-in-your-browser-is-a-piece-of-cake-torrentfreak/ |
| 09:33.29 | genr8_ | might need to all become experts on this |
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| 09:36.16 | ychaouche | hello #debian |
| 09:36.28 | ychaouche | Where do you guys usually put your certificate PEM file ? |
| 09:36.43 | ychaouche | Not debian ones, I mean on a debian machine that has an httpd web server |
| 09:37.25 | genr8_ | either /etc/ssl/private/ or /etc/letsencrypt/whereverthatputsit |
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| 09:38.02 | ychaouche | genr8_, I thought about putting everything in /private, but since the certificate is public I was thinking maube there's another place |
| 09:38.20 | genr8_ | yea |
| 09:38.26 | ychaouche | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:38.59 | genr8_ | wherever it makes sense then |
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| 09:39.55 | ratrace | ychaouche: I put both the key and cert into /etc/ssl/local, owned by root:ssl-cert, and all the daemons that should read them are in the ssl-cert group |
| 09:43.09 | ychaouche | I am thinking about putting it directly under /etc/ssl/ |
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| 09:45.45 | genr8_ | groundbreaking |
| 09:46.37 | ratrace | ychaouche: I wouldn't, due to permissions needed on /etc/ directly |
| 09:47.02 | ychaouche | but that's /etc/ssl not /etc/ ? |
| 09:47.06 | fireba11 | ratrace: hm? |
| 09:47.11 | ratrace | ychaouche: /etc/ssl I meant, sorry |
| 09:47.26 | ratrace | ie. you don't want the privkeys world readable |
| 09:47.50 | ratrace | and so you can mess with individual files perms, or rely on umasks and directory setgid and allow ssl-cert group to read them |
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| 09:48.26 | ychaouche | ratrace, no, as I said earlier the private key will be in /etc/ssl/private |
| 09:48.40 | ychaouche | only the public certificate would be in /etc/ssl/ |
| 09:48.45 | ychaouche | here's my namei : https://gist.github.com/ychaouche/908861a7192350ff470725c30a568214 |
| 09:48.49 | fireba11 | jup, that#s one of the biggest issues if you have 2 services read the same certificate ... you can usually work around that with symlinks ;-) |
| 09:48.49 | ratrace | well if that works for you... |
| 09:49.08 | ratrace | fireba11: why tho, just put the daemon that needs the keys into ssl-cert group. it's there for that reason |
| 09:49.25 | genr8_ | i didnt learn that until now either |
| 09:50.18 | genr8_ | i didnt know about the namei -l command either |
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| 09:50.48 | genr8_ | that should help with permission issues |
| 09:51.06 | ratrace | I prefer a dedicated directory so automation can cleanly work with it. /etc/ssl/certs/ is overcrowded |
| 09:51.30 | genr8_ | thats for root certs anyway |
| 09:51.33 | ratrace | then again I have hundreds of certs per server to deal with, lol |
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| 09:51.51 | ratrace | genr8_: no, snakeoil certs by post-inst for packages are put there too |
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| 09:52.11 | ratrace | at least by default on Debian, but I agree that another place should be used for local certs and leave that dir for CAs |
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| 09:54.41 | fireba11 | ratrace: yes /etc/ssl/certs is a bad pick, but add another folder next to it works fine :-P |
| 09:55.04 | ychaouche | /etc/ssl/local |
| 09:55.11 | ychaouche | /usr/local/etc/ssl/ |
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| 10:04.07 | gvvg | Hi - I just did an apt upgrade on a debian 9 system apache2 2.4.25-3+deb9u9 - --- now apache2 won't start - I see |
| 10:04.08 | gvvg | 5:02 AM [mpm_prefork:notice] [pid 1114] AH00169: caught SIGTERM, shutting down |
| 10:04.08 | gvvg | 5:02 AM in /var/log/apache2/error.log |
| 10:05.39 | ratrace | gvvg: what about journalctl -u apache.service (or whats the service unit actual name)? |
| 10:07.42 | gvvg | https://pastebin.com/PCX9DE7v |
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| 10:09.25 | ratrace | gvvg: you have a segfault there. that SIGTERM is a red herring. sure there's nothing else in apache logs? |
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| 10:09.56 | ratrace | also look at the times, the journal entries are 04:53:2* |
| 10:10.20 | gvvg | that's the last time I did an /etc/init.d/apache2 restart |
| 10:10.31 | gvvg | *start |
| 10:10.54 | ratrace | you should be using the systemctl command |
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| 10:11.57 | ratrace | but anyway, you must investigate why and where that segfault occurs. maybe you can use strace |
| 10:12.17 | jelly | gvvg: 1) are there any leftover apache processes running as www-data or root user? 2) what does /var/log/apache2/error.log say? |
| 10:13.18 | genr8_ | looks like systemd is mad at him not using it to restart it |
| 10:14.08 | gvvg | lol - I'll stop using /etc/init.d ... :) |
| 10:14.13 | ratrace | or apache is for not being started via systemd :) |
| 10:14.32 | genr8_ | both |
| 10:15.04 | genr8_ | apache2.service: Service hold-off time over, scheduling restart. apache2.service: Unit entered failed state. apache2.service: Failed with result 'signal'. apache2.service: Service hold-off time over, scheduling restart. Stopped The Apache HTTP Server. Starting The Apache HTTP Server... |
| 10:15.29 | genr8_ | bah i messed up a paste. the first paste should have been: "httpd (no pid file) not running " |
| 10:15.33 | ratrace | genr8_: this is the most relevant entry: "Main process exited, code=killed, status=11/SEGV" |
| 10:15.56 | ratrace | by default the service unit is type=forking, and the master forker has segfaulted |
| 10:16.44 | gvvg | hmm not sure what that means - I didn't do any changes other than apt update apt upgrade |
| 10:17.03 | ratrace | gvvg: you also have some configuration warnings that you should address |
| 10:17.16 | genr8_ | did PHP get upgraded ? |
| 10:17.30 | ratrace | (is mod_php even used) |
| 10:17.45 | gvvg | genr8_: not sure - this is an open source billing system written in perl - freeside.biz |
| 10:17.52 | gvvg | it uses mod_perl |
| 10:18.12 | ratrace | gvvg: what if you used apachectl directly? apachectl start |
| 10:18.43 | genr8_ | Have you tried turning it off and then back on again ? |
| 10:19.04 | ratrace | systemd does that :) |
| 10:19.05 | gvvg | genr8_: |
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| 10:19.37 | genr8_ | yea but like... since systemd is the root of all the system, it might be related |
| 10:19.51 | ratrace | it's not, the master apachectl is segfaulting |
| 10:19.53 | gvvg | https://pastebin.com/diFkeFDc |
| 10:20.25 | ratrace | gvvg: eh... try this way: APACHE_STARTED_BY_SYSTEMD=true apachectl start |
| 10:21.02 | ratrace | but first make sure there's no runnign apache process already like jelly suggested. ss -4lnp must not show anything listening on ports 80 or 443 |
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| 10:22.06 | gvvg | https://pastebin.com/ZiDL6fPx |
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| 10:22.41 | ratrace | gvvg: also if you intend to use pastebin, please post the links you get from the RAW button |
| 10:22.52 | gvvg | oh ok sure |
| 10:22.53 | gvvg | sorry |
| 10:22.59 | ratrace | k, try the apachectl start with that env var |
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| 10:25.44 | gvvg | https://pastebin.com/raw/hp6njuyR |
| 10:26.14 | gvvg | from another channel |
| 10:26.15 | gvvg | afaik there is no prefork version on debian anymore, they got a transitional package so you switches on upgrade ... |
| 10:26.15 | ratrace | what about apachectl start ? |
| 10:26.41 | gvvg | root@billing:~# apachectl start |
| 10:26.41 | gvvg | Invoking 'systemctl start apache2'. |
| 10:26.41 | gvvg | Use 'systemctl status apache2' for more info. |
| 10:27.05 | ratrace | use the env var I gave you |
| 10:27.11 | ratrace | APACHE_STARTED_BY_SYSTEMD=true apachectl start |
| 10:27.46 | genr8_ | sneaky |
| 10:27.57 | gvvg | root@billing:~# APACHE_STARTED_BY_SYSTEMD=true apachectl start |
| 10:27.57 | gvvg | FS::part_event::Condition::payby is disabled; skipping |
| 10:27.57 | gvvg | [2545] [Mon Nov 2 10:27:38 2020] [warning]: Configuration option WebExternalAuth is deprecated, and will be removed in RT 4.4. You should use WebRemoteUserAuth instead. (/opt/rt3/lib/RT.pm:964) |
| 10:27.57 | gvvg | [2545] [Mon Nov 2 10:27:38 2020] [warning]: Configuration option WebExternalAuto is deprecated, and will be removed in RT 4.4. You should use WebRemoteUserAutocreate instead. (/opt/rt3/lib/RT.pm:964) |
| 10:27.57 | gvvg | [2545] [Mon Nov 2 10:27:39 2020] [warning]: [notice] Apache::DB initialized in child 2545 (/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/perl5/5.24/Apache/DB.pm:31) |
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| 10:28.04 | ratrace | I'm pretty sure that change did not affect mid-stable release , and apache wouldn't segfault. also, the stretch package contains the prefork mpm |
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| 10:28.30 | ratrace | gvvg: srsly? you're using the pastebin and now all of a sudden decide to post here? |
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| 10:28.48 | gvvg | https://pastebin.com/raw/My7YMA3d |
| 10:28.51 | ratrace | gvvg: (repost) I'm pretty sure that change did not affect mid-stable release , and apache wouldn't segfault. also, the stretch package contains the prefork mpm |
| 10:29.01 | gvvg | ratrace: sorry |
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| 10:29.41 | ratrace | gvvg: now check if apache is running. ss -4lnp | grep ":80" |
| 10:29.44 | gvvg | I'll stick to pastebin raw |
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| 10:30.33 | gvvg | https://pastebin.com/raw/fvBGX9v6 |
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| 10:31.30 | ratrace | gvvg: hrm, how 'bout this: APACHE_STARTED_BY_SYSTEMD=true strace -f apachectl start | tail -n 20 |
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| 10:34.28 | gvvg | https://pastebin.com/raw/fvTUUBZz |
| 10:35.36 | genr8_ | DynaLoader.pm what is this |
| 10:36.01 | ratrace | gvvg: I reckon something in that perl script is causing this. can you try disable the vhost and/or mod_perl and see if apache starts normally (using systemctl start) ? |
| 10:36.12 | genr8_ | make sure this file isnt bugged, or loading something bugged: /etc/perl/sitecustomize.pl |
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| 10:37.36 | gvvg | not sure how to disable mod_perl |
| 10:38.01 | ratrace | genr8_: "sneaky" .. welp, that's what apache normally does in the service unit. it's terrible. whoever is maintaining that has no clue how systemd is working and is trying to hack around systemctl using apachetl using systemctl to start itself in forking mode.... instead of being its process manager directly, or optimally via notify type |
| 10:38.35 | ratrace | gvvg: is there like ONE config file that does all the setup for your billing app? |
| 10:40.01 | gvvg | I feel like I need a SA for hire to help - :( |
| 10:40.19 | ratrace | gvvg: is that a public server/service? |
| 10:40.29 | gvvg | ratrace: not sure where to find the config file |
| 10:40.33 | ratrace | (ie. accessible via public internet) |
| 10:40.37 | gvvg | is it an apache2 config |
| 10:40.46 | ratrace | gvvg: how did you even install that application to begin with |
| 10:40.49 | gvvg | ratrace: yes it is |
| 10:41.05 | ratrace | gvvg: then definitely you should not maintain a public server until you know what you're doing |
| 10:41.09 | gvvg | freeside.biz but they are not responsive |
| 10:41.18 | ratrace | gvvg: THEY set up your app? |
| 10:41.22 | gvvg | I was paying them to maintain it |
| 10:41.23 | gvvg | yes |
| 10:41.31 | gvvg | they installed the server many years ago |
| 10:42.05 | ratrace | pretty terrible |
| 10:42.10 | gvvg | yeah |
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| 10:42.14 | gvvg | left us high and dry |
| 10:42.24 | gvvg | they were taking payments but not providing support for over 1 year |
| 10:42.36 | ratrace | no, I mean people runnin public servers with no clue how to do it, and no skilled sysadmin on hand. |
| 10:42.52 | gvvg | well I was paying for that service |
| 10:43.06 | ratrace | managed hosting? |
| 10:43.08 | gvvg | I'm surprised apt update and upgrade broke my system |
| 10:43.12 | gvvg | nope it's my vm |
| 10:43.29 | gvvg | I guess I can try and hire an system administrator now |
| 10:43.36 | genr8_ | DynaLoader - Dynamically load C libraries into Perl code |
| 10:43.39 | ratrace | yeah it shouldn't happen mid release like that but who knows what ti is...... I have a suspicion they installed custom perl thingy there and it didn't upgrade along with apache |
| 10:43.46 | themill | gvvg: what packages actually got upgraded? can you pastebin /var/log/apt/history.log |
| 10:44.11 | genr8_ | This can also be set via the PERL_DL_DEBUG environment variable. |
| 10:44.26 | genr8_ | dynaloader debug time |
| 10:44.45 | gvvg | https://pastebin.com/raw/NpdjBdbX |
| 10:45.15 | genr8_ | you need to find out what its loading and either remove it, or if you need it, find out what it doesnt like about it and fix it |
| 10:45.50 | gvvg | any idea how to find out what it is loading? |
| 10:45.50 | ratrace | gvvg: try the history.log.1.gz too, via zcat |
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| 10:46.12 | ratrace | gvvg: you installed those two perl packages? |
| 10:46.13 | genr8_ | that says you just installed a new kernel. I still think you should reboot. |
| 10:46.43 | gvvg | I did reboot |
| 10:46.50 | genr8_ | ok |
| 10:47.09 | gvvg | https://pastebin.com/raw/e4gusLcm |
| 10:47.43 | gvvg | everything was working until today's upgrade |
| 10:48.02 | ratrace | gvvg: when did this start happening? there seems to be perl upgrades with oct 20th |
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| 10:48.10 | gvvg | is there anyway to see if it's a perl thing that is causing the problem - is there any one error message that could help |
| 10:48.19 | ratrace | gvvg: what else did you do today? reboot? |
| 10:48.19 | gvvg | just this morning at 4am |
| 10:48.28 | gvvg | apt update/upgrade reboot |
| 10:48.30 | gvvg | nothing else |
| 10:48.33 | genr8_ | as long as that list is, that just says it was a minor update: perl:amd64 (5.24.1-3+deb9u6, 5.24.1-3+deb9u7) |
| 10:48.40 | ratrace | gvvg: I believe it's not todays upgrade, but reboot just brought out whatever broke earlier |
| 10:48.58 | ratrace | you have relevant, perl updates from oct 20th. that wouldn't restart the apache process. |
| 10:49.02 | themill | I wonder what Upgrade: libparams-classify-perl:amd64 (0.013-5.3, 0.013-6+b1), liblocale-subcountry-perl:amd64 (1.63-1, 2.01-1) was from |
| 10:49.03 | ratrace | so reboot restarted it and boom problem |
| 10:49.11 | gvvg | yes |
| 10:49.27 | gvvg | because I saw the kernel was upgraded I rebooted |
| 10:49.48 | ratrace | gvvg: and what about those two perl scripts installed today, you did that? |
| 10:49.57 | gvvg | not specifically |
| 10:50.10 | gvvg | actually they were held back |
| 10:50.19 | ratrace | well someone run "apt install" there |
| 10:50.21 | genr8_ | says it was a apt install command |
| 10:50.25 | gvvg | so I did apt install those 2 |
| 10:50.32 | ratrace | either you have a panel, or someone else playing root |
| 10:50.43 | gvvg | no as I said I did it manually |
| 10:50.50 | gvvg | they were not upgraded automatically |
| 10:51.01 | gvvg | can I just remove them both? |
| 10:51.03 | genr8_ | maybe that was held back for a reason? :) |
| 10:51.10 | gvvg | lol - yeah I guess |
| 10:51.18 | ratrace | you didn't say you did it manually, you said "not specifically" assuming in response to my question of if you installed those two perl scripts |
| 10:51.25 | gvvg | I know - sorry |
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| 10:51.44 | gvvg | I was confused |
| 10:51.46 | themill | the perl 5.24.1-3+deb9u7 upgrade is from July, so it could be a problem dating a lot longer back |
| 10:52.02 | ratrace | and no restarts of relevant services on lib updates |
| 10:52.22 | genr8_ | im gonna assume A) it was held back for a reason, B) on the second held package, going from version 1.6 to 2.0 broke something since its a major version update, and C) you likely need them and cant just uninstall them, youd wanna revert/downgrade if anything |
| 10:52.27 | themill | well it *should* have been July but was only installed in Oct |
| 10:52.42 | gvvg | how do I revert? |
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| 10:53.05 | ratrace | $1M question is: revert what |
| 10:53.25 | gvvg | start with the 2 perl packages that I upgraded when they were held back |
| 10:53.35 | genr8_ | youll need to get a hold of those last two packages .debs, whether its from your cache or from the internet |
| 10:53.40 | themill | libparams-classify-perl 0.013-6 is from 2016 |
| 10:53.53 | genr8_ | yea that one doesnt concern me. the other one tho. |
| 10:54.05 | genr8_ | liblocale-subcountry-perl:amd64 (1.63-1, 2.01-1) |
| 10:54.13 | gvvg | so what were the old versions? |
| 10:54.23 | genr8_ | 1.63-1 |
| 10:54.30 | gvvg | so first remove those 2 and then find the old ones and re-install them? |
| 10:54.34 | themill | liblocale-subcountry-perl 2.01-1 is also from 2016 |
| 10:54.52 | genr8_ | then its even more suspicious why it was 'held back' |
| 10:55.19 | ratrace | let's start with apt-cache policy, and/or pastebin of /etc/apt/sources.list and any relevant list in sources.list.d/ |
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| 10:56.12 | ratrace | (the sources.list first) |
| 10:56.43 | tnR | http://prntscr.com/vbr2di |
| 10:56.46 | gvvg | I forgot I did something else |
| 10:57.03 | tnR | debian 10 software raid0 UEFI 2x 4TB |
| 10:57.19 | gvvg | I did comment out something out of my sources.lists |
| 10:57.21 | gvvg | list |
| 10:57.39 | ratrace | gvvg: pastebin the file please |
| 10:58.21 | genr8_ | braces for impact |
| 10:58.44 | tnR | hello help pls |
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| 10:59.09 | gvvg | I'm going to call the company - thank you guys - this is way beyond me - I shouldn't have touched anything |
| 10:59.21 | gvvg | I really appreciate everything you guys have suggested |
| 10:59.27 | ratrace | tnR: hi, you'll need to be more patient and maybe repeat your question sometime later. EFI installations on raid0 are not something done that often |
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| 11:00.01 | ratrace | gvvg: pastebin the file just to satisfy my curiosity pls? :) |
| 11:00.47 | gvvg | https://pastebin.com/raw/PPmEQsXT |
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| 11:01.12 | ratrace | tnR: for starters grub couldn't work with /boot on raid0 in the past, I don't know if that changed with recent versions, or you still need a separate, non-raid0, /boot |
| 11:01.14 | genr8_ | tnR, well, think about it right, if its software RAID-0, how are you gonna boot |
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| 11:02.20 | ratrace | gvvg: as I thought, there's a free.biz repo. I'm also guessing they install packages that might've conflicted with regular debian ones, hence that package held thing. but that's a guess. definitely DO call them and have them sort this out, if you're paying them to do so |
| 11:02.41 | gvvg | ratrace: thank you |
| 11:03.13 | genr8_ | yea the logic of it is off. /boot comes first, software RAID-0 comes next, thus grub is like HUHH. its perhaps possible but its probably beyond that installers internal logic to figure out |
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| 11:03.53 | H-var | does anyone know how to enable error logging in steam? |
| 11:04.19 | ratrace | H-var: did you check if ~/.steam/debian-installation/error.log is there? also, for which OS you're asking? I thought you asked the same for gentoo yesterday |
| 11:04.29 | ratrace | oh no, wait, confused you with someone else :) |
| 11:04.36 | genr8_ | you could have a small seperate /boot partition on either drive, and use LVM striping with the remainder |
| 11:04.43 | ratrace | (y'all having same issues lol, and I'm in too many chans) |
| 11:05.05 | genr8_ | or boot off USB. |
| 11:05.22 | ratrace | OR use raid1 for /boot, 0 for whatever needs 0 |
| 11:05.30 | ratrace | grub can work with /boot off of raid1 |
| 11:05.45 | genr8_ | yea |
| 11:06.39 | genr8_ | at any rate its a "your current config does not compute" error |
| 11:07.21 | genr8_ | ArchWiki might have info on the concepts. *hides* |
| 11:08.12 | ratrace | no shame, archwiki IS a good source of info, even for debian things. I've set up gpu passthrough on my debian consulting the archwiki primarily |
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| 11:09.33 | tnR | I am trying |
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| 11:11.12 | ratrace | tnR: trying what? |
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| 11:12.30 | tnR | As far as I understand I am doing raid0 while installing, it will boot raid1? |
| 11:13.15 | ratrace | tnR: why are you installing raid0 to begin with? |
| 11:13.43 | genr8_ | he wants over 9000MB/s |
| 11:13.47 | ratrace | lol |
| 11:15.48 | tnR | To use 8TB |
| 11:15.52 | ratrace | also, counter-intuitively, raid0 will be SLOWER than raid1 for certain workloads |
| 11:15.54 | tnR | I have 4TB |
| 11:16.01 | ratrace | tnR: just JBOD that with LVM instead? |
| 11:18.22 | tnR | i didn't use JBOD |
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| 11:19.03 | ratrace | tnR: use those two disks as non-raid PVs in LVM |
| 11:19.56 | ratrace | ie. like linear volumes, not striped |
| 11:20.49 | nkuttler | is there a way to mark a package as "don't remove"? still allow upgrades, so not hold |
| 11:20.52 | genr8_ | I would consider using LVM either way |
| 11:21.00 | ratrace | that said... I'm not sure if the installer itself can do all that. BUT... you can install regularly on ONE drive with LVM with the installer, and then later just add the other PV |
| 11:21.03 | H-var | hi ratrace here I found the error log. I renamed the old one, restarted steam, and tried running an app, and it didn't run. Can you guys help me to make sense of these errors, and make my games work on my debian please? https://pasteall.org/O4F1 |
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| 11:22.02 | H-var | please guys help me to be able to play games on my debian. That would be awesome, if I could play the games on linux! |
| 11:22.16 | ratrace | H-var: proton or linux games? btw those LD_PRELOAD errors due to wrong ELF class are safe to ignore |
| 11:22.35 | ratrace | H-var: also, which gpu? |
| 11:23.02 | H-var | I have gp102 (1080ti) |
| 11:23.12 | H-var | on 8700k cpu |
| 11:23.37 | ratrace | H-var: and using the proprietary nvidia-driver? |
| 11:23.53 | H-var | I use the drivers from official deb repos |
| 11:23.57 | ratrace | first of all, I'd recommend you install the driver from buster-backports. |
| 11:24.01 | H-var | no backports |
| 11:24.28 | ratrace | you wanna play games on debian, you'll use backported driver or have issues :) a newer kernel would help too, also from backports. |
| 11:24.35 | H-var | do I have to uninstall the old ones first, or how does it work? |
| 11:24.57 | ratrace | H-var: apt install -t buster-backports nvidia-driver will replace the stable one with backported one. just enable the backports repo in sources.list |
| 11:25.00 | H-var | do I have to uninstall xserver and everything else? |
| 11:25.04 | ratrace | you don't |
| 11:25.16 | H-var | as sudo, ratrace? |
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| 11:25.31 | ratrace | as root of course, in whichever way you want to become root. don't use sudo blindly. |
| 11:25.52 | ratrace | also, if you will bump the kernel to backported one, make sure you do it _independently_ of nvidia upgrade, with a reboot between two steps. |
| 11:26.00 | H-var | ratrace how do I install newer kernel from backports? |
| 11:26.12 | H-var | is it gonna create issues with currently installed software? |
| 11:26.14 | ratrace | apt install -t buster-backports linux-image-amd64 |
| 11:26.32 | ratrace | H-var: normally it should not unless you're running something that doesn't work with 5.8 |
| 11:26.44 | H-var | I'll go backup my linux partition first, ratrace |
| 11:26.54 | ratrace | most wise choice. |
| 11:27.04 | genr8_ | if you use any other DKMS related packages youll possibly need to upgrade get those from backports also |
| 11:27.24 | H-var | I'll screenshot the commands. Ok, I'll go backup it first. See you later, guys! |
| 11:27.39 | H-var | what is DKMS genr8_? |
| 11:27.49 | H-var | how do I know, if I have those packages installed? |
| 11:28.04 | genr8_ | dynamic kernel module system. it would say something about "building modules failed" when you put the new kernel in |
| 11:28.18 | H-var | roger |
| 11:28.20 | ratrace | DKMS is system used to dynamically build kernel modules/drivers because they're not part of regura kernel. those are very rare. nvidia is a DKMS thing. ZFS is another. as example |
| 11:28.26 | ratrace | *regular |
| 11:28.27 | genr8_ | its not common but its not uncommon either |
| 11:28.53 | H-var | I only have standard soft that comes with debian xfce |
| 11:28.56 | ratrace | usually it's stuff you must _deliberately_ install, and usually it's non-free due to license (which is why they're DKMS and not part of regular kernel) |
| 11:29.24 | H-var | and then steam, double commander, and veracrypt basically |
| 11:29.26 | H-var | and that's all |
| 11:29.34 | ratrace | ZFS being exception, it's in contrib, not non-free, and yet the license prevents it to be part of regular kernel source |
| 11:29.44 | ratrace | eh veracrypt.... is that DKMS? |
| 11:30.03 | jelly | well it sure is not in-kernel |
| 11:30.16 | genr8_ | its something. |
| 11:30.20 | ratrace | but is it a kernel module, or purely userland thing |
| 11:30.30 | ratrace | if latter, all is good. if former, check if it works with 5.8 |
| 11:30.40 | jelly | ,kernels |
| 11:30.42 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 5.9.0-rc8-686-pae (5.9~rc8-1~exp1); sid: 5.9.0-1-686 (5.9.1-1); bullseye: 5.9.0-1-686 (5.9.1-1); buster-backports: 5.8.0-0.bpo.2-686 (5.8.10-1~bpo10+1); buster: 4.19.0-12-686-pae (4.19.152-1); stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.9-686-pae (4.19.118-2+deb10u1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.19.0-0.bpo.12-686 (4.19.152-1~deb9u1); jessie-backports: |
| 11:30.43 | judd | 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.12-686 (4.9.210-1+deb9u1~deb8u1) |
| 11:31.01 | H-var | thank you |
| 11:31.02 | jelly | still no 5.9 bpo eh? |
| 11:31.09 | ratrace | too soon |
| 11:31.15 | ratrace | let it simmer and test for a while |
| 11:31.32 | ratrace | when it gets that nice golden crust, it may trickle down :) |
| 11:32.03 | genr8_ | sticks to well-done 4.19 tyvm |
| 11:32.06 | ratrace | also I wants my nvidias working and no 5.9 throwing a wrench in that gearbox |
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| 11:32.54 | ratrace | genr8_: 4.19 is too old for zen2. I must have five point eights! |
| 11:33.37 | genr8_ | what does that get you |
| 11:34.00 | jelly | cake |
| 11:34.04 | ratrace | a sane kernel behavior |
| 11:34.18 | ratrace | the cake is a lie. |
| 11:34.21 | genr8_ | how is a CPU too old for a kernel. unless its a GPU too. |
| 11:34.29 | jelly | too new. |
| 11:34.34 | ratrace | ask teh kernel that goes berserk about io stats for zen2 |
| 11:34.35 | genr8_ | that |
| 11:34.46 | jelly | cpu is too new. kernel is too old. |
| 11:35.00 | genr8_ | that doesnt sit right with me |
| 11:35.32 | ratrace | but it's important that GPL POLITICKING pathces get backported to LTS, that's very too important. to hell with working IO subset, unless GPL politicking is DONE! |
| 11:35.32 | jelly | new cpus have new features. To make them work properly, OS needs to have code to support the features. |
| 11:35.45 | ratrace | flips a bird toward kernel devs and LTS maintainers general direction |
| 11:36.12 | jelly | ratrace: you can always pay those devs' bills instead of RH |
| 11:36.18 | genr8_ | im not convinced |
| 11:36.21 | jelly | then you get to choose what they'll focus on |
| 11:36.25 | ratrace | jelly: they're paid VERY MUCH AND FATLY by the foundation and other corps |
| 11:36.43 | ratrace | I'd like to ask THEM to pay ME for time wasted due to their POLITICKING. |
| 11:36.45 | jelly | foundation, whose members care about their own interests. |
| 11:37.03 | ratrace | and also they're paid THROUH my payments to RH. |
| 11:37.06 | ratrace | *through |
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| 11:37.14 | ratrace | so no, argument invalid. segfault. reboot that. |
| 11:37.19 | jelly | !pal ratrace |
| 11:37.19 | dpkg | points at ratrace and laughs |
| 11:37.57 | rk4 | how much is RH costing you |
| 11:38.23 | ratrace | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:38.55 | genr8_ | reddit says something about C6 power state and sleep |
| 11:39.19 | ratrace | rk4: ZERO. I donate elsewhere :)))) jokes aside, the kernel devs are very well paid. Linus is very well paid. GKH is vey well paid. They're paid far more than I am to clean up the mess GKH causes by backporting political patches that aren't bugfixes or secvuln fixes. |
| 11:39.21 | genr8_ | that makes more sense. power management was always terrible |
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| 11:42.11 | genr8_ | im gonna have to investigate that later |
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| 11:43.07 | ratrace | I donate to postgres, python, gentoo, debian, and a few other projects, yearly. I did many one time payments for little programs I used here and there. So please, don't tell me to waste money on devs who already are paid nicely, only so they woulnd't do stupid things like backport political patches that have no other value. |
| 11:44.45 | genr8_ | i wish they would backport that zen2 patch you spoke of, whatever it was, to 4.19 for political reasons |
| 11:44.57 | ratrace | how 'bout technical reasons? |
| 11:45.08 | genr8_ | those too |
| 11:45.14 | ratrace | maybe that's too much to ask? :) |
| 11:45.34 | ratrace | it's more important to screw out ZFS in old kernels, than backport IO fixes for zen2. |
| 11:45.47 | genr8_ | :/ |
| 11:45.57 | ratrace | get your priorities straight, genr8_, you're asking for technical improvements which are in the backseat. |
| 11:46.10 | genr8_ | well |
| 11:47.01 | genr8_ | i saw it as political cause if i wanna choose to use a well stabilized kernel, I should. they did the technical fix and its only on the 5.x which I basically regard as a beta, since 5.9 is still fixing things from 5.4 |
| 11:47.20 | genr8_ | i guess you're right too though |
| 11:48.01 | ratrace | genr8_: using stabilized kernel is technical reasons. *backporting* GPL condom skullduggery (and I don't mean nvidia) ... and note, it's about *backporting* that, not "okay, yeah, you wanna improve GPL compliance in future releases".... |
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| 11:48.27 | ratrace | .... is not okay. |
| 11:49.27 | genr8_ | i was under the impression that GPL condom situation was not going to happen anymore |
| 11:50.08 | genr8_ | i dont remember what I read but i feel like it was GKH saying "that aint even technically legal anyway" |
| 11:50.18 | genr8_ | could be wrong tho |
| 11:50.26 | ratrace | personally I think thta removing those patches from the kernel does NOT violate the GPL license. but IANAL. in fact if anything, additing additional constraints to the kernel is in violation of section 6 of the GPL2 |
| 11:50.39 | ratrace | genr8_: it's not illegal. GPL is about _redistribution_ |
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| 11:51.07 | ratrace | so ZFS, for example, can't be part of the regular kernel due to license incompatibilities regarding to behavior of future code distribution |
| 11:51.19 | ratrace | they may NOT prevent your or I how we use the kernel we do not redistribute |
| 11:51.37 | genr8_ | distros do |
| 11:51.44 | ratrace | if I wanna link with ZFS or most vile proprietary code the earth has seen (hint: WSL), it's my business and not in violation of GPL |
| 11:51.53 | ratrace | they may NOT tell me if I may or may not link non-GPL code with the kernel. |
| 11:52.09 | ratrace | genr8_: debian doesn't |
| 11:52.26 | ratrace | ZFS is DKMS in Debian, thus there's no redist issues |
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| 11:53.06 | genr8_ | so who caused it. Ubuntu? Redhat ? |
| 11:53.24 | ratrace | and what they did, they said "Nope, you may not build ZFS kernel module because your code is not GPL and we make our APIs work only for GPL'd code.... yeah NO, that's in violation of section 6 of GPL |
| 11:53.28 | ratrace | genr8_: caused what? |
| 11:53.42 | genr8_ | idk, I dont get the argument then |
| 11:54.15 | ratrace | Linux kernel devs are blocking ZFS from using kernel APIs because they said "these APIs maybe be used only be GPL licensed code" |
| 11:54.21 | ratrace | that's in violation of GPL itself. |
| 11:54.26 | genr8_ | oh |
| 11:54.29 | oiaohm | No its not. |
| 11:54.34 | ratrace | yes it is. section 6. |
| 11:54.43 | oiaohm | ratrace: china ruling in linking against GPL gets horrible |
| 11:55.02 | ratrace | ANYHOO... GPL is about distribution. They may not prevent me to link and use the code as I see fit without redistributing it further. |
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| 11:55.55 | oiaohm | China ruled that GPL is between those writing the code and end user. contract law not copyright law so redistributing is not as cleared. |
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| 11:56.12 | genr8_ | china's concerned with licensing suddenly ? all of this is news to me |
| 11:56.25 | oiaohm | contracts yes copyright no. |
| 11:56.38 | oiaohm | Turns out GPL holds up in china contract courts. |
| 11:56.52 | genr8_ | interesting |
| 11:57.09 | ratrace | killing people on the streets with tanks is also held up in china courts. so..... xcuse me if I don't care what they think :) |
| 11:57.16 | genr8_ | gonna have to read up on that then |
| 11:57.59 | ratrace | GPL holds up in western courts too, but nobody so far even attempted to argue that GPL restricts how you USE the code, if you don't redistribute it |
| 11:58.12 | ratrace | or otherwise: Google would be the worst offender on the planet |
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| 11:58.33 | oiaohm | That where china courts are different because they have already had software as a service cases. |
| 11:58.55 | oiaohm | Now does that apply out side china we will find that out in time. |
| 11:58.57 | ratrace | DKMS would be illegal as well, and using patch(1) would be outlawed because you can circumvent the restrictions |
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| 11:59.03 | genr8_ | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affero_General_Public_License <-- we need to transition to this |
| 11:59.07 | genr8_ | and beyond. |
| 11:59.23 | ratrace | NO WE DON'T |
| 11:59.46 | oiaohm | DKMS with the china rulings would still be legal if you are using a GPL compadible license. |
| 11:59.50 | ratrace | you can kiss corporate backing goodbye with that license. and i'm telling you that as a corp that uses GPL, supports it, donates to it. |
| 12:00.14 | genr8_ | good. they can make their own software. |
| 12:00.29 | ratrace | GoodLuckWithThat(tm) :) |
| 12:01.01 | oiaohm | some of the other fun parts is some of the patent grants to the Linux kernel are only for use with GPL compadible works. |
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| 12:01.24 | ratrace | oiaohm: section 6 contradicts itself then |
| 12:01.29 | genr8_ | they were not using GPL out of the kindness of their hearts to be nice to us and contribute back, they did it because it was cheaper |
| 12:01.46 | genr8_ | and then they abuse it through legal loopholes on the side |
| 12:02.06 | ratrace | true it's not about kindness of their hearts. but they DO contribute becuse they see the value in doing so: less work to maintain their custom fork |
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| 12:02.20 | genr8_ | marginally. |
| 12:02.33 | ratrace | mostly not. there could be individual offenders, yes. |
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| 12:03.05 | ratrace | but what major corps are doing about it, Microsoft, Google, IBM, many others.... is no because they're forced to. |
| 12:03.17 | ratrace | they could easily be using BSDs like Sony and not care twice about GPL. |
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| 12:03.50 | oiaohm | ratrace: you overlooked "subject to these terms and conditions. " in section 6 |
| 12:04.10 | ratrace | And then you have Netflix that uses BSD _and_ very much contributes back because they know the value in doing so, value for themselves, even if it's the most selfish reason: it works both ways. |
| 12:04.11 | oiaohm | So section 6 only covers you ass if you are using stuff that is GPL compadible. |
| 12:04.53 | ratrace | oiaohm: which the Linux kernel is, and yet it's putting additional constraints that are NOT covered by GPL: forcing other code to be GPL compliant to use the APIs |
| 12:05.13 | oiaohm | That is not blockied by section 6 GPLv2 |
| 12:05.23 | ratrace | it's additional constraint |
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| 12:05.36 | oiaohm | No section 6 states by GPLv2 terms. |
| 12:05.37 | ratrace | but nvm this... until it's tested in court, this is just pure speculation. |
| 12:05.39 | genr8_ | i thought that always was the constraint, thats why we've had linking exceptions like OpenSSL |
| 12:05.42 | oiaohm | Not by GPLv2 incompadible terms. |
| 12:05.59 | gvvg | Hi again - I'm trying to install the package but it has unmet dependencies - I have installed the packages via cpan - is there a way to get the apt install to ignore unmet dependencies? |
| 12:06.54 | ratrace | genr8_: by that logic, WSL is illegal |
| 12:06.59 | oiaohm | ratrace: basically the Linux kernel is just enforcing constraints saying GPL compadible code that is in fact in section 6 gplv2 if you read it carefuly. |
| 12:07.11 | ratrace | WSL is code that's definitely not GPL using GPL code APIs. |
| 12:07.24 | oiaohm | WSLv1 you mean. |
| 12:07.31 | oiaohm | WSLv2 uses a full blown Linux kernel. |
| 12:07.38 | ratrace | in dom0 |
| 12:07.38 | klys | gvvg, short answer: no, you shouldn't. long answer: it may be possible with approptiate edits to /var/lib/dpkg/status. |
| 12:07.48 | ratrace | oiaohm: ie, it's paravirtualized |
| 12:07.49 | genr8_ | likely for that reason. microsoft knows what they did. |
| 12:08.05 | gvvg | an example is freeside-lib : Depends: libgeo-streetaddress-us-perl but it is not installable |
| 12:08.13 | gvvg | I have installed that perl module using cpan |
| 12:08.17 | jelly | !equivs |
| 12:08.17 | dpkg | equivs is a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell <apt> you really have installed (through some other means) the package. apt install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/*, see also <usrlocal>. A better plan is often to adapt the Debian packages to your needs, ask me about <package recompile> <uupdate> <ssb>. |
| 12:08.20 | jelly | gvvg: ^ |
| 12:08.26 | ratrace | klys: gvvg: what about installing specific packages via apt, instead of cpan. it's not automatic, but you should be able to install -perl stuffs you need, via apt |
| 12:08.31 | oiaohm | There is work to allow Linux kernel as hyper-v dom0 |
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| 12:08.43 | jelly | ,v libgeo-streetaddress-us-perl |
| 12:08.44 | judd | No package named 'libgeo-streetaddress-us-perl' was found in amd64. |
| 12:08.54 | gvvg | ratrace: right that's what I did |
| 12:08.54 | ratrace | oiaohm: I know, that's why I mention it. that's SURELY in violation then. non-gpl code using gpl APIs |
| 12:08.57 | jelly | ratrace: going to be a bit hard to install that via apt |
| 12:09.26 | ratrace | jelly: what's "that"? |
| 12:09.49 | gvvg | if I did install it by cpan I'd like to by pass the apt warning |
| 12:09.49 | jelly | gvvg: if you care about things being neat, you can use dh-make-perl to make local .deb from CPAN modules |
| 12:09.51 | ratrace | from what I understood, packages were installed via cpan. if the same packages are covered by apt, they can be (manually) replaced, no |
| 12:09.54 | ratrace | ? |
| 12:10.06 | genr8_ | microsoft is top on my list for "not invited to the linux club" |
| 12:10.13 | jelly | ratrace: and when they are not covered by apt? |
| 12:10.16 | gvvg | jelly: I don't feel I'd be able to do it |
| 12:10.21 | ratrace | jelly: then your latest suggestion applies |
| 12:10.24 | jelly | gvvg: it's stupidly easy |
| 12:10.35 | jelly | gvvg: or use equivs. |
| 12:10.37 | gvvg | oh can you suggest the command for this module? |
| 12:11.03 | jelly | dh-make-perl --build What::Ever::Module |
| 12:11.08 | jelly | (not as root) |
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| 12:11.48 | gvvg | most of the time I can make stupidly easy stuff :) |
| 12:11.51 | gvvg | thank you |
| 12:11.53 | oiaohm | ratrace: Microsoft hyper-v drivers in the Linux kernel are all GPL or GPL compadible license. Hyper-v interface to hypervisor was used for windows first and still contains the special value that is bigboobs in hex to work. |
| 12:12.21 | genr8_ | howd that pass CoC :P CANCEL! |
| 12:12.22 | ratrace | oiaohm: long story short, GKH explicitly stated on the mailing list he's deliberately screwing ZFS over. Because the GPL symbols export work by stating which licenses are okay for the export. CDDL is not on the list, EVEN THOUGH, it's a libre/open source license. |
| 12:12.34 | jelly | gvvg: whoops, that's old and incomplete syntax. dh-make-perl --cpan Geo::StreetAddress::US |
| 12:12.46 | jelly | no more --build apparently |
| 12:12.49 | ratrace | oiaohm: so yeah I can understand them not wanting _proprietary_ modules abuse the GPL APIs. that's fine. but ZFS is not proprietary, it's open AND libre, just not complatible with GPL |
| 12:13.11 | oiaohm | Mixing CDDL and GPLv2 has been legally questionable thinking that CDDL was designed exactly to prevent that. |
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| 12:13.58 | ratrace | oiaohm: which is the reason ZFS is not merged. but **NOT** the reason they should prevent exports for API usage by DKMS'd code |
| 12:14.23 | oiaohm | China ruling DKMS the module like ZFS may not be legal either. |
| 12:14.27 | genr8_ | are you sure that ZFS was the issue at hand |
| 12:14.30 | ratrace | we're talking about two different things: merging code to main tree vs using the kernel's APIs by out of tree modules |
| 12:14.47 | ratrace | oiaohm: I really do not care what China is ruling |
| 12:14.49 | oiaohm | The big thing that caused the recent crack down was in fact Nvidia. |
| 12:14.51 | genr8_ | it could be nvidia as well |
| 12:14.51 | ratrace | nobody in the west should either. |
| 12:15.24 | ratrace | oiaohm: AND THAT IS FINE :) nvidia driver's license is not on the list of licenses allowed by GPL exports |
| 12:15.28 | oiaohm | the netgpu patch for the Linux that was linking against nvidia cuda stuff binary only. |
| 12:15.38 | ratrace | CDDL is not either but CAN BE because it's not proprietary, it's libre and open. |
| 12:15.49 | oiaohm | No CDDL is not that simple. |
| 12:15.52 | ratrace | GKH and friends deliberelately do not want to add the license |
| 12:16.05 | ratrace | oiaohm: it's about DKMS AND NOT MERGING UPSTREAM, GAAAH |
| 12:16.12 | oiaohm | reason why ZFS don;t want to change from CDDL to a new license is if they do they don't have Orcales patent grant. |
| 12:16.20 | oiaohm | if they change license. |
| 12:16.20 | genr8_ | ^ |
| 12:16.26 | jelly | gvvg: sorry, I really should verify a command line actually WORKS... Try this: dh-make-perl --build --cpan Geo::StreetAddress::US |
| 12:16.33 | ratrace | it's very simple. they're not violating the GPL nature of the main source by allowing CDDL to use the APIs |
| 12:16.33 | oiaohm | Now are those Orcale patents compadible to be in a GPL work. |
| 12:16.48 | ratrace | are you listening...... |
| 12:17.10 | jelly | points ratrace and oiaohm gently in the direction of #debian-offtopic |
| 12:17.11 | ratrace | I'm not talking about merging the potentially patented code (and btew OpenZFS is fork and rewirte before Oracle's acquisition) |
| 12:17.12 | oiaohm | When you license patents as only X licenses only things get horrible, |
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| 12:17.50 | gvvg | I got /root/Geo-StreetAddress-US-1.04/../libgeo-streetaddress-us-perl already exists, skipping rename at /usr/share/perl5/DhMakePerl/Command/make.pm line 599. |
| 12:18.00 | ratrace | that affects only MERGING code with upstream and redistributing it further. it has zero applicability to locally built binaries and DKMS linked code. and indeed, offtopic, so I'm done :) |
| 12:18.24 | oiaohm | ratrace: Ihave moved over to #debian-offtopic |
| 12:18.33 | gvvg | worked! |
| 12:18.36 | jelly | gvvg: don't run it as root! |
| 12:18.37 | gvvg | thank you! |
| 12:18.42 | jelly | normal user! |
| 12:18.44 | gvvg | ok |
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| 12:27.55 | H-var | ratrace apt install -t buster-backports linux-image-amd64 is all I need to update the kernel? |
| 12:28.20 | ratrace | H-var: yes. did you check if veracrypt would mess up the upgrade? |
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| 12:29.13 | H-var | no idea but I just finished backing up the partition so I'm good to try and see |
| 12:30.06 | H-var | huh I already had the newest nvidia driver: nvidia-driver is already the newest version (450.66-1~bpo10+1) |
| 12:31.14 | ratrace | how 'bout that :) |
| 12:32.30 | H-var | do I have to restart linux after kernel update? |
| 12:32.59 | ratrace | of course |
| 12:33.14 | ratrace | H-var: one moment before you do |
| 12:33.19 | H-var | yes? |
| 12:33.30 | jelly | H-var: if you use some firmware, you'll probably also need to upgrade firmware-* packages to backports |
| 12:33.31 | ratrace | did nvidia-driver rebuild? |
| 12:33.41 | H-var | I don't know |
| 12:33.47 | H-var | how do I update the firmware? |
| 12:33.52 | H-var | and rebuild nvidia? |
| 12:34.25 | jelly | verify which packages, name starting with firmware- are installed, and install those from buster-backports as well |
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| 12:34.42 | jelly | and probably linux-headers-amd64 too |
| 12:34.53 | H-var | how do I verify that? |
| 12:35.40 | ratrace | linux-headers-amd64 would automatically install if they're needed by a package |
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| 12:37.03 | jelly | ratrace: it's a metapackage. I'm not sure a dkms module deps are smart enough to pull the actual latest headers that match the latest kernel image |
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| 12:37.29 | jelly | H-var: are you asking how to see which firmware packages are installed? |
| 12:37.38 | ratrace | jelly: I don't know, but if the headers were installed to begin with (say, as needed for dkms) then upgrading to backported kernel should've upgraded the headers package too |
| 12:37.47 | jelly | dpkg -l firmware-\* | grep ^.i |
| 12:37.48 | dpkg | No packages found matching firmware-\* | grep ^.i |
| 12:37.57 | ratrace | mwhahahaha bad bot |
| 12:38.01 | H-var | jelly I checked with synaptic |
| 12:38.02 | jelly | ratrace: are you 100% sure that happens? |
| 12:38.06 | H-var | is this how you do it in linux? |
| 12:38.10 | ratrace | will someone FINALLY fix dpkg NOT to respond to anything other than ! ? |
| 12:38.13 | H-var | I searched for firmware- |
| 12:38.24 | H-var | I found firmware-misc-nonfree and firmware-free |
| 12:38.51 | jelly | so install those from buster-backports now |
| 12:38.54 | ratrace | jelly: well, just checked a system I bumped to 5.8 and I'm 100% sure I never installed headers explicitly and there's both nvidia and zfs |
| 12:38.59 | jelly | thereby upgrading them |
| 12:39.02 | H-var | installed. I ran sudo apt install -t buster-backports firmware-linux-free but got " irmware-linux-free is already the newest version (3.4)." |
| 12:39.12 | n4dir | i wouldn't have known that installing the kernel from backports installs the according headers too. Must be new |
| 12:39.14 | ratrace | another system bumped to 5.8 wihtou dkms, no headers installed, and none were additionally pulled in |
| 12:39.17 | H-var | it should be ....bpo10~" in the end, right? |
| 12:39.24 | jelly | ,v firmware-linux-free |
| 12:39.25 | judd | Package: firmware-linux-free on amd64 -- jessie: 3.3; buster: 3.4; stretch: 3.4; bullseye: 20200122-1; sid: 20200122-1 |
| 12:39.33 | jelly | perhaps not |
| 12:39.44 | H-var | ok |
| 12:39.47 | H-var | restarting! |
| 12:39.49 | H-var | rip lol |
| 12:40.04 | jelly | !next |
| 12:40.04 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
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| 12:44.25 | genr8_ | What does it mean when my screen suddenly gets brighter on its own at 7:43 AM |
| 12:44.44 | genr8_ | Is there some automatic brightness this like F.lux installed? I dont recall seeing anything like that |
| 12:44.53 | genr8_ | XFCE |
| 12:48.00 | diogenes_ | genr8_, maybe some sort of redshift? |
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| 12:48.08 | jelly | ,i redshift |
| 12:48.11 | judd | Package redshift (x11, optional) in buster/amd64: Adjusts the color temperature of your screen. Version: 1.12-2; Size: 105.9k; Installed: 586k; Homepage: http://jonls.dk/redshift/; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/redshift |
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| 12:49.37 | genr8_ | dont have it |
| 12:50.19 | genr8_ | ive seen it happen a few times now, at around this time. gonna have to remember 7:43 am and check tomorrow |
| 12:51.19 | ws2k3 | would it be possible to disable tls1.3 on pureftpd on debian 9? yes i know ftpmustdie! |
| 12:53.09 | jelly | ws2k3: see if your daemon supports setting SSL/TLS protocol version somewhere |
| 12:54.02 | ws2k3 | jelly: i already put this ALL:!aNULL:!SSLv3!TLSv1.3 into my TLSCipherSuite but logs show that it still uses TLS 1.3 |
| 12:55.40 | jim | hi, trying to help someone with this: [8086:15f3] is 'Ethernet Controller I225-V' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'snd-hda-intel', 'ata-generic' in stretch. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:15f3 |
| 12:56.23 | jelly | ws2k3: Ciphers are a different thing from Protocols. |
| 12:56.42 | jim | I wanted to see if a netinst image would see the card and work with it; he says the card doesn't work at all, except under windows |
| 12:56.48 | jelly | sorry. Cipher suites are a third different thing, too. |
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| 12:57.28 | jelly | jim: why stretch |
| 12:57.53 | jim | that's what it said when I ran the pciid |
| 12:58.14 | jim | but I don't think stretch would work anyway |
| 12:58.44 | genr8_ | wtf. |
| 12:58.46 | jim | and, I forgot how to set the version |
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| 12:59.21 | genr8_ | standard intel Ethernet controller, but you mention a sound card and a hard drive controller module ? and then stretch but no stretch ? none of this makes sense |
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| 13:01.15 | jelly | that's output from a bot |
| 13:01.48 | jelly | and surely that someone can ask about their problem on their own |
| 13:02.02 | jelly | jim: which debian release is this? |
| 13:02.05 | n4dir | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:02.14 | n4dir | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=965931 |
| 13:02.15 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/965931 in src:linux (closed): «Please enable Intel I225-LM/I225-V support»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2020-07-20; last modified: 2020-08-24. |
| 13:03.58 | genr8_ | hmm i guess its not standard then. "igc" is the module tho |
| 13:04.54 | jim | he has installed another dist; I want him to download a debian netinst to see if it works with his card |
| 13:05.18 | n4dir | if anyone is trying to help or "give back", that should be the basics he knows. But that might well be me. |
| 13:06.05 | jelly | jim: that bug report suggests a recent bullseye with 5.8 or 5.9 kernel might work. Or installing buster, then upgrading to buster-backports kernel. |
| 13:06.36 | jelly | jim: but I am not thrilled at all with you proxying questions from non-debian users in ##linux to here |
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| 13:06.52 | jim | hmm, then it would be good to have a bullseye netinstall image |
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| 13:09.19 | jim | not asking any questions about the dist he currently has installed... in fact, if this works, maybe he'll install the debian, and then it should be all good |
| 13:11.25 | jim | I have no idea if he's actually a user of that dist or not, I'm given to understand he tried to install it but couldn't get net working, and about that, he felt that the installation of the other dist may have no point |
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| 13:11.57 | jim | but I'll find out what he wants to do |
| 13:12.18 | jelly | jim: you're helping someone who's not running debian, and have avoided saying which distro it was so far. |
| 13:12.24 | ychaouche | guys, I would like to do an unattended dpkg-reconfigure locales on distant machines, is there a way to do that ? |
| 13:12.39 | ychaouche | unattended or merely just not interactive |
| 13:12.53 | ychaouche | I would like to set the system locales to en_US.UTF-8 |
| 13:13.08 | jim | do you really want to know? maybe he won't be running it long, if this experiment works |
| 13:13.21 | jim | I'll tell you if you want to know |
| 13:13.52 | jelly | jim: no. I don't want that. I want to keep helping Debian users, and not random Linux users. |
| 13:13.58 | ratrace | ychaouche: set them in /etc/locale.gen and run locale-gen |
| 13:14.07 | jim | but you're right, I avoided saying what dist it is so far, because I'm given to understand it's off topic here |
| 13:14.11 | jelly | jim: which is why I'm active in here, and not in ##linux |
| 13:14.37 | ychaouche | ratrace, ok thanks |
| 13:14.42 | jelly | jim: that means the issue is offtopic in here as well, unless you're SURE the user wants to switch to Debian |
| 13:14.52 | jim | well let me find out what he wants to do |
| 13:15.12 | jelly | jim: so I'll ask you to stop screening questions from other channels and coming in here for expert help |
| 13:15.14 | jim | I have no idea yet, so far, I just want to see if it works |
| 13:15.35 | ratrace | ychaouche: also there's DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive for non-interactive use of apt and dpkg reconfigure but that then uses defaults, basically for automation you're better off using files directly. dpkg-reconfigure is really just a user-facing convenience tool |
| 13:15.55 | genr8_ | it only works if you know how to get it to work. if you don't, it doesnt. |
| 13:15.57 | genr8_ | thats the TLDR |
| 13:16.01 | jelly | ychaouche: locales package has debconf values to set, use preseed |
| 13:16.04 | jim | I'm pretty sure that if it does work, he |
| 13:16.06 | jelly | !preseed |
| 13:16.06 | dpkg | [preseed] Preseeding provides a way to set answers to questions asked during the Debian installation process, to allow for a streamlined or completely automated installation. The <install guide> provides an extensive appendix on preseeding with a full example. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed and http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/394 . See also <debconf-set-selections>. |
| 13:16.11 | jim | would switch |
| 13:16.22 | jelly | jim: no excuses please, it's not the first time you've done this |
| 13:16.43 | ratrace | jelly: can preseed be used to alter locale post-hoc? |
| 13:16.54 | jim | well let's see what he wants to do |
| 13:17.14 | jim | you're of course welcome to observe |
| 13:17.21 | jelly | ratrace: typically you seed debconf answers, then do a dpkg-reconfigure |
| 13:17.52 | jelly | with a noninteractive frontend |
| 13:18.16 | ratrace | I'll look into that. so far I prefered the automation did what dpkg-reconfigure would do, for a more robust solution |
| 13:18.37 | jelly | dpkg-reconfigure itself tends to do what dpkg-reconfigure does |
| 13:19.19 | jelly | I don't remember when we set locales... |
| 13:19.22 | ratrace | yes but it's abstraction |
| 13:19.37 | ratrace | btw the second link doesn't work |
| 13:20.22 | ratrace | `/msg dkg debconf-set-selections |
| 13:20.25 | ratrace | oops |
| 13:20.35 | ratrace | (yes, noted the bot name typo) |
| 13:23.42 | ratrace | jelly: the second link doesn't work and the factoid isn't clear on how to use the values obtained by debconf-get-selections |
| 13:23.56 | ychaouche | jelly, preseed only works at install time ? |
| 13:24.10 | ychaouche | jelly, that's for an already installed system. |
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| 13:25.18 | ratrace | no, the idea here is to use debconf-set-selections, I think, to set dpkg-reconfigure defaults and let dpkg-reconfigure then work normally via interactive frontend |
| 13:25.37 | ychaouche | interactive or non-interactive ? |
| 13:25.38 | jelly | ychaouche: no, you can seed answers to debconf in advance at any point |
| 13:25.50 | ratrace | ychaouche: noninteractive |
| 13:25.57 | ratrace | I just have to figure out how to actually do that :) |
| 13:26.30 | ratrace | debconf-get-selections for example shows exactly the things for locales: the locales enabled multiselect, and default locale. corresponding to /etc/locale.gen and /etc/defaults/locale |
| 13:26.58 | ratrace | so by this example, I'm tryna figure out how to use debconf-set-selections, or whatever, to preset what I want for dpkg-reconfigure to do it automatically |
| 13:27.49 | ratrace | and yay ther's ansible module for it..... but I wanna do it manually |
| 13:28.06 | ychaouche | semi-manually |
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| 13:32.27 | ws2k3 | i would like to configure ssh to it can authenticate users against an external source.(php script or mysql or something). what options do i have for this? |
| 13:32.37 | jelly | ratrace: you can dpkg-reconfigure locales (or whatever) manually, then grab lines for that package from debconf-get-selections output |
| 13:32.59 | jelly | and feed them to debconf on another system |
| 13:33.02 | jelly | printf "locales\tlocales/locales_to_be_generated\tmultiselect\ten_US ISO-8859-1, en_US.ISO-8859-15 ISO-8859-15, en_US.UTF-8 UTF-8, hr_HR ISO-8859-2, hr_HR.UTF-8 UTF-8\nlocales\tlocales/default_environment_locale\tselect\tC.UTF-8\n" | sudo debconf-set-selections |
| 13:33.23 | jelly | and then do your thing |
| 13:33.35 | jelly | DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 13:33.54 | ratrace | jelly: print to debconf-set-selections, okay, that's what I was missing, thanks |
| 13:34.34 | jelly | not unlike dpkg --get-selections |
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| 13:35.56 | jelly | ychaouche: also, maybe you'd prefer C.UTF-8 as system default rather than en_US.UTF-8 |
| 13:35.58 | ratrace | you mean dpkg --set-selections (which takes them on stdin)? |
| 13:36.18 | ychaouche | jelly, why would I ? |
| 13:36.35 | jelly | ychaouche: it's closer to POSIX defaults, but still UTF-8 |
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| 13:36.54 | ychaouche | Ok. |
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| 13:38.12 | abff | ws2k3: I'm no expert, but is ldap what you're looking for? https://www.ssh.com/manuals/manager-admin/61/ldap-parameters.html |
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| 13:40.01 | Fox | ws2k3: sssd + ldap |
| 13:43.00 | jelly | yeah, sssd esp. if you have an AD nearby |
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| 13:57.19 | ychaouche | /home/ychaouche/SCRIPTS/update.certifs: line 26: scp: command not found |
| 13:57.30 | ychaouche | what ? |
| 13:57.47 | jelly | scp command is not found, apparently |
| 13:58.14 | jelly | verify PATH is sane in the enviroment that script is running |
| 13:58.33 | jelly | possibly install openssh-client |
| 13:59.04 | ychaouche | PATH IS /home/ychaouche/.pyenv/plugins/pyenv-virtualenv/shims:/home/ychaouche/.pyenv/shims:/home/ychaouche/.pyenv/plugins/pyenv-virtualenv/shims:/home/ychaouche/.pyenv/shims:/home/ychaouche/.nvm/versions/node/v8.7.0/bin:/bin:/home/ychaouche/.pyenv/bin:/home/ychaouche/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games:/usr/local/games: |
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| 13:59.24 | ychaouche | there's a /usr/bin near the end |
| 13:59.58 | jelly | ychaouche: do you have dead symlink called "scp" in one of the dirs before that one? |
| 14:00.10 | ychaouche | oh |
| 14:02.07 | ychaouche | I don't know, could be. Putting /usr/bin/scp resolves the error. |
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| 14:05.18 | ychaouche | no, I smell a rat, it's not asking for my password and then executes next command in the script (another scp, then an ssh command). It seems to be stepping to the next command after a timeout |
| 14:05.58 | ychaouche | ah there it is |
| 14:06.02 | ychaouche | maybe a network problem |
| 14:08.47 | ychaouche | oh, wrong IP ^^' |
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| 16:20.50 | TomyWork | how do i reinstall a package given the .deb, preferably without reinstalling all dependents |
| 16:21.54 | TomyWork | just dpkg -i complains about overwriting config files |
| 16:22.55 | jelly | TomyWork: that's expected. Do you want to replace the config files with default ones, or keep them? |
| 16:24.49 | TomyWork | looks like that file is in 2 packages... huh? |
| 16:24.57 | TomyWork | guess this ppa didnt package properly |
| 16:25.19 | TomyWork | how did that work the first time... |
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| 16:29.16 | jelly | TomyWork: read these: /msg dpkg confnew /msg dpkg confold |
| 16:29.31 | TomyWork | jelly, this is not a confnew/confold issue |
| 16:29.40 | TomyWork | this is 2 packages with different names having the same file |
| 16:29.48 | TomyWork | in the same path |
| 16:30.03 | jelly | that's a bug |
| 16:30.07 | TomyWork | yep |
| 16:30.29 | TomyWork | they're from the same source package, so go figure how that happened |
| 16:30.50 | jelly | unless they're made to conflict each other, or have multiarch exceptions to allow for that |
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| 16:31.24 | TomyWork | nope, one is a dependency of the other |
| 16:32.20 | sney | maybe the maintainer reorganized the package split but didn't set the Breaks/Replaces in d/control to account for it |
| 16:32.26 | jelly | TomyWork: if they come from a PPA, report to the owner of said PPA. Their build system might be broken and they might have debs from multiple builds in the repo with the same version (which Should Not Happen) |
| 16:32.55 | jelly | if they're from debian, |
| 16:32.58 | jelly | !bat |
| 16:32.58 | dpkg | [Basic Apt* Troubleshooting]. To diagnose your problem, we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use https://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 16:34.12 | TomyWork | i know what to do |
| 16:34.34 | TomyWork | I'm just confused about why this worked in the first place |
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| 16:35.59 | TomyWork | it's not the build system btw. the source, when build normally, also creates those two conflicting-but-not packages |
| 16:37.10 | TomyWork | and debian/{package1,package2}/path/to/file both exist and debian/{package1,package2}/conffiles both list that file |
| 16:37.37 | TomyWork | sorry, DEBIAN/conffiles |
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| 16:39.03 | jelly | TomyWork: sounds like the binary packages probably ought to split more, and keep the config file in a foo-common deb, then depend on it in both of those |
| 16:39.37 | TomyWork | one of them is a foo-common type package |
| 16:39.55 | TomyWork | but apparently, they messed up |
| 16:40.00 | jelly | then the other probably shouldn't ship the same fucking file path |
| 16:40.06 | TomyWork | yes |
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| 16:41.42 | TomyWork | but like i said i know what to do. I'll just build this myself (doing that anyway for unrelated reasons) so I can use the software again. |
| 16:45.52 | jelly | TomyWork: good, so I don't have to mention dpkg --force-overwrite ;-) |
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| 16:48.09 | TomyWork | that's so great about debian. apt-get source, install build deps, dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc and you have your own package |
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| 16:48.44 | TomyWork | probably should change the version number before distributing it, but if it's just for yourself, that's it |
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| 16:54.40 | jelly | just make it a habit to dch |
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| 16:55.15 | jelly | dpkg -l | grep jelly makes it easier to notice local builds |
| 16:55.15 | dpkg | ii | grep jelly makes it easier to notice local builds 3.3-15 jelly's private stamp collection |
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| 17:01.08 | TomyWork | yay, my 4-letter patch to get yate-client to use the display name in the "incoming call" dialog worked \o/ |
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| 17:40.18 | Exagone313 | Hi, I created a Debian virtual machine using a daily "genericcloud" image (<https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/cloud/buster/daily/>). It comes with cloud-init. I'm unable to set the root password, however I can set the ssh key in authorized_keys successfully. I followed cloud-init documentation but I'm wondering if there are special steps for Debian. Here is a templated user-data file I used: https://ewd.xyz/241976.txt The password column for root in |
| 17:40.23 | Exagone313 | /etc/shadow is kept empty after installation. Any idea of what am I missing? Thanks for your help. |
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| 17:41.37 | Exagone313 | the sample is adapted from https://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/topics/examples.html |
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| 17:52.13 | karlpinc | ! readme.debian |
| 17:52.14 | dpkg | README.Debian (or README.Debian.gz) is a document found in the /usr/share/doc/$packagename/ which explains any Debian specific details in the package's operation or configuration. |
| 17:53.32 | karlpinc | Exagone313: I don't know about cloud-init, but the readme.debian might help. (or not) Anyway, I'm unclear on daily images. I don't know anything about them but thought that they were for testing, not stable. Could be entirely wrong. |
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| 18:08.42 | Exagone313 | karlpinc: unfortunately I don't see anything specific to Debian in that directory, I'll take that cloud-init documentation is incomplete and that I need to change the password differently (probably with chpasswd -e) |
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| 18:09.01 | Exagone313 | thanks anyway |
| 18:09.25 | LuxInterior | can someone suggest a best way to get up to date youtube-dl on buster? |
| 18:09.57 | Exagone313 | LuxInterior: up-to-date anything probably means to check on how upstream vendor distributes their tool |
| 18:10.02 | LuxInterior | on some installs the package works with January version, on other installs it fails |
| 18:10.16 | Exagone313 | I think it's available on Pypi |
| 18:10.33 | Exagone313 | pip install --user something |
| 18:10.42 | Exagone313 | and add ~/.local/bin to PATH |
| 18:11.04 | LuxInterior | hmm never heard of pypi |
| 18:11.22 | Exagone313 | it's Python package manager IIRC |
| 18:12.01 | nkuttler | pypi is the python package index |
| 18:12.28 | allizom | LuxInterior: backports |
| 18:12.50 | nkuttler | LuxInterior: you can just pip install it |
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| 18:13.04 | nkuttler | LuxInterior: pip installs stuff from pypi |
| 18:13.08 | Exagone313 | https://packages.debian.org/youtube-dl says backports doesn't have latest |
| 18:13.16 | sney | ,v youtube-dl |
| 18:13.17 | judd | Package: youtube-dl on amd64 -- stretch: 2017.05.18.1-1; stretch-backports: 2019.01.17-1.1~bpo9+1; buster: 2019.01.17-1.1; buster-backports: 2020.09.20-1~bpo10+1; bullseye: 2020.09.20-1; sid: 2020.09.20-1; bullseye-multimedia: 2020.11.01.1-dmo1; buster-multimedia: 2020.11.01.1-dmo1; sid-multimedia: 2020.11.01.1-dmo1 |
| 18:13.38 | sney | dmo has it, for better or worse. probably smarter to use pip |
| 18:13.58 | azeem | it was released, like, yestday |
| 18:14.02 | azeem | yesterday* |
| 18:15.26 | absinthe | yusssday |
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| 18:15.51 | LuxInterior | dmo? |
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| 18:15.59 | sney | !why not dmo |
| 18:15.59 | dpkg | The deb-multimedia.org repository was once the only way of getting good multimedia support. By the release of Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" this was mostly not true and for Debian 7 "Wheezy" this situation is even better. Libraries from dmm are known to cause incompatibilities with packages from Debian; packages may not meet the <DFSG> so are not allowed in Debian. Use dmm as a last resort; ask me about <dmm pinning> and <dmm remove>. |
| 18:16.12 | LuxInterior | oh never heard of that either |
| 18:17.04 | LuxInterior | so add buster DMO to repo? |
| 18:17.13 | LuxInterior | repo to sources |
| 18:17.36 | rgr | whats the correct wz to configure a keyboard in debian_ Google chucks up loads of conflicitng indo. Ive tried locales, console-data/setup. contents of /etc/default/kezboard sazs de but when I login its a british keyboard. |
| 18:17.58 | rgr | lol z/y swaps there... |
| 18:18.27 | sney | LuxInterior: since youtube-dl is a python app, you may as well just use pip for it, maybe with venv |
| 18:18.48 | sney | rgr: dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration, see also https://wiki.debian.org/Keyboard |
| 18:19.24 | LuxInterior | sney: if it involves venv maybe too complicated |
| 18:20.33 | sney | LuxInterior: if venv seems too complicated, you're definitely going to break something by enabling dmo. in this case, I recommend option #3: wait for youtube-dl 2020-11-01 to migrate to buster-backports |
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| 18:21.10 | rgr | yup , doesnt work. |
| 18:21.20 | rgr | still gb keyboard after relogin or reboot |
| 18:21.51 | rgr | thanks anyway. ill start grepping my init files for errors |
| 18:21.57 | sney | rgr: mayb... ok |
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| 18:30.48 | LuxInterior | sney: thanks, I am able to follow instructions https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-install-the-deb-multimedia-repository-with-vlc-kodi-and-ffmpeg-on-debian-10-buster but I am using Template Based App VMs, I have one venv application qutebrowser but |
| 18:34.05 | sney | LuxInterior: if you install youtube-dl from dmo, make sure you disable that repo after installing the package. |
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| 18:35.17 | LuxInterior | sney: doesn't look like pip requires venv ? |
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| 18:37.30 | sney | LuxInterior: pip doesn't require it, I said maybe venv so that the app you install is in an isolated environment and can't cause any weird conflicts with system python |
| 18:37.36 | sney | this has been known to happen with pip on debian |
| 18:37.51 | LuxInterior | ok thanks |
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| 18:40.14 | nkuttler | LuxInterior: pip install takes --user which puts stuff into ~/.local |
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| 18:53.12 | karlpinc | LuxInterior: My recommendation is to install youtube-dl into a python virtual environment. |
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| 18:58.51 | LuxInterior | karlpinc: whys that |
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| 19:02.09 | LuxInterior | was going to do the backports, but not sure in qubes if it goes in both sources.lists |
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| 19:22.00 | another | because it updates very often |
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| 19:29.08 | karlpinc | LuxInterior: You can run the very latest youtube_dl in a venv. It does not mess with anything installed anywhere else but within the venv. Venvs are designed to be discarded; if you need to you can have several laying around with different versions in them. |
| 19:29.59 | karlpinc | LuxInterior: That's the long answer. The short answer is: Don't mix package managers. Pip is a package manager and shouldn't be installing anything anywhere to do with apt. |
| 19:31.19 | karlpinc | LuxInterior: Installing with pip into ~/.local/ is just a un-flexible corner case of installing into virtual environments. |
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| 19:57.37 | GNU\colossus | bogomips are meaningless, hence the name |
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| 20:13.47 | hyiltiz | https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/615561/analyze-the-programs-commands-frequency-since-boot-up-command-vs-pid-histogram |
| 20:13.50 | hyiltiz | Anyone can help? |
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| 20:26.55 | karlpinc | !ask |
| 20:26.55 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/ See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 20:29.42 | Brigo | hyiltiz, programs get pids when launched, so you have to monitorice when a program is launched and check the pid. |
| 20:30.20 | hyiltiz | yeah; that monitoring should either happen at the process that spawnes everything else (like systemd) or at the kernel level, right? |
| 20:30.42 | greycat | To be pedantic, a new PID is born when an existing process forks itself. The child will often then exec a new program. So, the PID comes first, and the new program second. |
| 20:30.51 | hyiltiz | arguably, I could write a dumb sampler script that checks the result of ps aux every 10ms ... |
| 20:31.08 | greycat | systemd does not "spawn everything else" |
| 20:31.18 | AndreasLutro | auditd might be able to track all processes being spawned |
| 20:31.36 | hyiltiz | hmm I think I already have auditd running |
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| 20:33.53 | hyiltiz | auditctl seems quite rich; any idea what I should be running? should I just check all fork() syscalls? |
| 20:34.06 | AndreasLutro | https://superuser.com/a/222924 seems reasonable |
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| 20:36.40 | karlpinc | hyiltiz: You might be interested in wazuh for generating the graphical output you're looking for. |
| 20:36.50 | hyiltiz | Hmm thx! That seems to be logging ever since I ran auditctl -a task,always; now checking which config file to edit how so full logging starts since startup |
| 20:37.30 | hyiltiz | https://wazuh.com ? |
| 20:37.44 | H-var | I reloaded :D |
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| 20:38.13 | hyiltiz | I had netdata installed for a similar monitoring purpose but netdata doesn't seem to provide what I am after |
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| 20:40.34 | karlpinc | hyiltiz: Yes. (Don't know that gets you to the free software site or just the commercial support site.) |
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| 20:43.09 | BL4CK4DM1N | does anyone know any proxy servers |
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| 20:45.30 | karlpinc | BL4CK4DM1N: Is this a debian support question? |
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| 20:46.21 | BL4CK4DM1N | to be completely honest i have no idea what im doing |
| 20:47.21 | RoyK | BL4CK4DM1N: you don't need one :) |
| 20:47.46 | RoyK | I'm just guessing you're installing debian and it wants to know if you have a proxy server to use...? |
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| 20:49.21 | hyiltiz | karlpinc: since wazuh isn't on debian repos, and seems too commercial, I am hesitant; do you know if they have a community support version? Their installation is talking about a manager and an agent. |
| 20:49.40 | hyiltiz | If I could do it with auditd, I'd rather not install yet another monitoring program into my system tho |
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| 21:23.55 | karlpinc | hyiltiz: Wazuh is completely open source. It uses auditd. It has an agent to "report back", and do polls when it can't get the data real-time. |
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| 21:24.46 | karlpinc | The only sad part is that it's all java-y and xml-y. |
| 21:25.09 | karlpinc | ,v wazuh |
| 21:25.10 | judd | No package named 'wazuh' was found in amd64. |
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| 22:15.55 | deltanedas | is an ITP of a meme package (a scripr and some pictures of cats) valid |
| 22:16.03 | deltanedas | script |
| 22:17.35 | greycat | as long as the software is distributable under a DFSG license |
| 22:17.47 | greycat | and the pictures, I guess |
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| 22:19.18 | deltanedas | can i distribute cat pictures under gplv3 even if the cat lives across the planet and owner didnt consent |
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| 22:20.35 | deltanedas | also how do i specify license, do i have /usr/doc/pkgname/COPYING or a field in control? |
| 22:20.38 | greycat | Consult a lawyer. My understanding is whoever took the photo owns the copyright on it, by default. |
| 22:21.31 | deltanedas | yes that may be an issue |
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| 22:26.08 | hyiltiz | karlpinc: got a link to the community edition u mentioned? |
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| 22:35.09 | karlpinc | hyiltiz: Maybe this: https://documentation.wazuh.com/4.0/installation-guide/packages-list.html#linux |
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| 22:35.37 | karlpinc | hyiltiz: You can also install from github.... I don't know what the pre-requsites are. I know it uses elastisearch under the covers. |
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| 22:36.34 | karlpinc | https://wazuh.com/community/ |
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| 22:37.36 | karlpinc | hyiltiz: The thing you pay for is their "cloud". It has everything pre-installed and configured. |
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| 22:41.24 | hyiltiz | Thx! Suppose I did install it, do u k if the PID histogram comes out of the box from next reboot, or I need to configure it somehow? |
| 22:42.09 | hyiltiz | Sorry I am asking a bi too much (not quite sold for a solution that a) requires adding external repo b) based on java and xml) |
| 22:42.23 | hyiltiz | I am willing to try it out if not too much committment for configs and package dependencies tho |
| 22:42.30 | karlpinc | hyiltiz: I don't know. I've logged into wazuh, and it does all sorts of graphing. And I'm sure you can configure it to graph your histogram if it does not. But beyond that I don't know much. |
| 22:43.15 | karlpinc | (I bet it has dependencies. I've never setup the stack.) |
| 22:45.46 | hyiltiz | ok I'll try it :D |
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| 22:51.38 | hyiltiz | Welp the manager is 373MB ... |
| 22:51.54 | hyiltiz | I'll byte the bullet; seems like yet another bloatware now at this point |
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| 22:52.18 | hyiltiz | hmm installing wazuh-manager REMOVED wazuh-agent |
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| 22:53.00 | hyiltiz | https://wazuh.com/start/ seemed like it suggested to install manager than agent then maybe also something else |
| 22:53.17 | hyiltiz | apparently, those were not the steps but rather options... even they it says "follow the steps" |
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| 22:56.21 | hyiltiz | any idea how to use this? It's documentation is too hard to dig thru the fluf of orchestration/devop and it didn't register anything named wazuh to my systemctl |
| 22:56.41 | hyiltiz | and it installed a full python distro under /var/ ... |
| 22:57.02 | karlpinc | hyiltiz: No clue. It seems like a "big project". |
| 22:57.24 | hyiltiz | welp so long then (and thanks for all the fish) |
| 22:57.37 | karlpinc | hyiltiz: It also puts stuff in /var/ that seems like a wonky place. |
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| 22:58.46 | hyiltiz | yeah cleaning it up now... I'll just find a working solution with the "good old" auditd |
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| 23:06.15 | swift110 | Linux swift110debian 4.19.0-12-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.19.152-1 (2020-10-18) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 23:06.15 | swift110 | <swift110> How do I make sure that I have the va drivers? |
| 23:06.54 | greycat | Try to use a thing that uses them. Whatever they are. |
| 23:07.05 | jmcnaught | swift110: did you see https://wiki.debian.org/HardwareVideoAcceleration ? |
| 23:09.06 | swift110 | jmcnaught, it says its available in firefox on wayland desktops in Debian 11 |
| 23:09.18 | swift110 | I am using mate' |
| 23:10.22 | jmcnaught | swift110: it works in mpv and VLC on buster for me. I guess we need to wait for bullseye for it to work in Firefox |
| 23:10.26 | H-var_ | hey ratrace ping me when you wake up. |
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| 23:11.55 | jmcnaught | swift110: maybe Firefox says something about it in about:support |
| 23:12.10 | swift110 | jmcnaught, I was gonna use it in firefox for running zoom from the browser |
| 23:13.00 | ratrace | H-var_: what? |
| 23:13.57 | H-var_ | what what? |
| 23:14.14 | H-var_ | hey ratrace what's up sexy? |
| 23:15.25 | ratrace | H-var_: ? |
| 23:15.30 | jmcnaught | swift110: according to the arch wiki in Firefox's about:config there should be a key for media.ffmpeg.vaapi.enabled which I do not have in buster: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Firefox#Hardware_video_acceleration |
| 23:15.58 | jmcnaught | swift110: so you might be out of luck unless you upgrade to testing and start using Wayland |
| 23:16.23 | H-var_ | hey ratrace, I don't know, man... I just installed the latest kernel and nvidia too, but my games still won't run |
| 23:16.25 | swift110 | jmcnaught, how do I access that key |
| 23:16.35 | H-var_ | are you running games on the latest proton 5.13 ratrace? |
| 23:16.48 | H-var_ | or you are using earlier version? |
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| 23:17.04 | kevr | does debian have a mirror selector program that sorts mirrors by download rate and country? |
| 23:17.09 | ratrace | H-var_: some games are glitchy with latest proton, some games are glitchy with earlier versions |
| 23:17.09 | jmcnaught | swift110: in Firefox address bar enter "about:config" and then use the filter bar to type in "ffmpeg" |
| 23:17.36 | H-var_ | ok do you have pubg ratrace? |
| 23:18.01 | ratrace | no |
| 23:18.21 | jmcnaught | kevr: these days there is a CDN-hosted mirror that should automatically pick servers close to you: http://deb.debian.org/ |
| 23:18.23 | H-var_ | and you already said you don't have alien isolation |
| 23:18.35 | H-var_ | let's see what else do I have here |
| 23:18.38 | ratrace | H-var_: I never said that, I said I played it just fine |
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| 23:19.28 | H-var_ | so you do have alien isolation? |
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| 23:19.51 | H-var_ | can I see your error log when you launch the steam and then alien isolation, ratrace? |
| 23:20.13 | ratrace | H-var_: I no longer have it installed, I finished the game. It's a native linux game, no need for proton. |
| 23:20.26 | H-var_ | fudge |
| 23:21.01 | H-var_ | can I show my error log? I have no idea what is there, but maybe you can help me to make any sense of it? |
| 23:21.19 | ratrace | H-var_: you can ask steam for support |
| 23:21.46 | H-var_ | you're right - I should try contacting steam - maybe they know what's wrong with me |
| 23:21.50 | kevr | jmcnaught: gotcha, thank you |
| 23:22.06 | ratrace | H-var_: hey have a forum too |
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| 23:22.33 | jmcnaught | H-var_: there is also a #steamlug channel here on freenode |
| 23:22.42 | ratrace | *they |
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| 23:25.28 | kevr | jmcnaught: i'm getting a gpg issue with that mirror. says the public keys are not available for 3 signatures |
| 23:25.38 | kevr | i --recv-keys on all three of them, but it still gives me the error |
| 23:26.13 | kevr | says the repo is not signed? |
| 23:26.56 | jmcnaught | kevr: that is strange. Do you have the debian-archive-keyring package installed? Can you make a paste of your /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 23:28.06 | H-var_ | thanks guys, I'll go pretend like I tried to do something for a day or two, and then come back with the same questions |
| 23:28.09 | kevr | jmcnaught: `deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster main` |
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| 23:28.43 | sney | also check your system clock, that can cause gpg/ssl errors if it's off |
| 23:29.23 | kevr | i did, it's on |
| 23:29.35 | kevr | (synced up with my other computers times) |
| 23:29.38 | kevr | using ntp |
| 23:30.44 | kevr | you know what, i'm sorry. it's debian, but it's raspbian; they may be enforcing a different set of gpg keys and supply a different keyring by default |
| 23:32.13 | jmcnaught | kevr: this is why we do not support raspbian in this channel, because it causes confusion and we do not know what changes they have made. |
| 23:32.30 | jmcnaught | !based on debian |
| 23:32.30 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 23:32.55 | kevr | can i not manually add the debian keys into my keyring somehow? |
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| 23:36.14 | klys | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:53.55 | behappycat | hello! Is it normal that one needs sudo/root privileges for a simple "ping" command? |
| 23:54.07 | sney | no |
| 23:54.34 | behappycat | strange.. i can't ping without sudo |
| 23:54.48 | behappycat | it says: .local/bin/ping", line 36, in <module> |
| 23:54.49 | behappycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:54.49 | behappycat | ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'aio_ping' |
| 23:54.52 | sney | what debian version, what kind of environment, was it always like this? |
| 23:55.24 | sney | hmm, that looks like you installed something called 'ping' locally with e.g. pip, and it's first in your PATH env |
| 23:55.42 | sney | if you call /bin/ping directly it'll probably work normally |
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| 23:58.43 | behappycat | thanks, and yes, if i do /usr/bin/ping it works, also the which ping command is pointing to /home/usr/.local/bin/ping and sudo which ping to /usr/bin/ping |
| 23:59.02 | behappycat | is there a easy way to fix this? |
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| 23:59.39 | sney | delete ~/.local/bin/ping |
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