| 00:00.03 | Fahrradkette | or rename it |
| 00:00.18 | jmcnaught | pip has an uninstall command too. Maybe it's time to start using venv. |
| 00:00.23 | sney | yes, or rename it. a sane system shouldn't have random local-installed crap with the same name as a system utility |
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| 00:02.03 | behappycat | well it seems it's a python3 implementation of ping. But still not sure why it overides the path tro ping |
| 00:02.34 | sney | behappycat: it's first. do 'echo $PATH' |
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| 00:04.05 | behappycat | hmm yes, thanks! |
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| 00:05.14 | Fahrradkette | semi-offtoppic, doesn't pip put the packages to some dir called "dist-packages" ? |
| 00:05.27 | behappycat | working now after renaming the ping file, thanks |
| 00:06.01 | sney | behappycat: as a bonus, make sure to find out what python package installed that, and yell at them for being stupid :) |
| 00:06.03 | hop | depends on what pip you use and what options |
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| 00:07.23 | Fahrradkette | "what pip": pip3, "what options": none (default) |
| 00:07.55 | Fahrradkette | and another question: does pip3 have some equivalent to "apt-file"? :) |
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| 00:08.17 | hop | the ping3 package uses ping3 for the script, so that's not it |
| 00:08.33 | hop | the ping package is gone with bitbucket |
| 00:09.02 | hop | Fahrradkette: the python package index, née cheese shop: pypi.org |
| 00:09.16 | hop | weeell, for some guesswork |
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| 00:10.01 | behappycat | so it's called aioping on github, but not sure which packets installed it. Also can't find it in pip list nor pip3 list |
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| 00:10.37 | Fahrradkette | is it from the aio-libs? like aio-http |
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| 00:11.19 | hop | aioping does not install a script |
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| 00:12.35 | behappycat | thanks, i have aiocmd, aiodns, aiohttp, aiosqlite and others installed, i guess aioping comes with one of those then |
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| 00:14.27 | Fahrradkette | aioping depends on aiodns |
| 00:15.00 | hop | do yourself a favour, put `export PIP_REQUIRE_VIRTUALENV=true` in your .bashrc and never ever use pip without a venv again |
| 00:15.22 | hop | if you want to install python commandline tools, have a look at pipx |
| 00:16.15 | behappycat | thanks hop, will check that out |
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| 00:44.06 | Nnavd | I want to run a bash script as a specific user without input, how would one do that on debian? |
| 00:44.35 | Nnavd | its so the application the script is calling doesnt have access to anything outside a specific folder |
| 00:45.11 | hop | Nnavd: run it by hand? |
| 00:45.18 | Nnavd | cant be run by hand |
| 00:45.29 | hop | Nnavd: no, i mean, _how_ do you want to run it? |
| 00:45.38 | Nnavd | through a java process call |
| 00:45.48 | hop | . |
| 00:46.08 | Nnavd | its a bit wacky, but java calls a bash script, the script then swaps user and runs the application |
| 00:46.50 | hop | so it is by hand⦠|
| 00:47.24 | Nnavd | not sure what you mean by hand? no one is personally running this call if that's what you mean |
| 00:47.44 | Nnavd | its called by some code whenever a specific job is requested |
| 00:47.54 | hop | as opposed to specifying the user in a cron config |
| 00:48.27 | Nnavd | its a job that can occur at any momemnt, not a regular schedule or anything |
| 00:48.29 | hop | batch scripting is literally just replacing something a user would type with a script |
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| 00:48.43 | Nnavd | yah, I'm trying to get around my password interactivety problems |
| 00:48.47 | hop | use `su` |
| 00:48.55 | hop | come back when you find out it doesn't work⦠|
| 00:48.58 | Nnavd | you can't give a password to su |
| 00:49.23 | Nnavd | ive tried a whole host of things, I wouldn't be asking otherwise |
| 00:49.28 | hop | why would there be a password? |
| 00:49.52 | hop | use sudo |
| 00:50.16 | Nnavd | but then I'd have to provide sudo the actual user password and id rather not hardcode that anywhere |
| 00:50.40 | Nnavd | the password of the non-restricted user |
| 00:50.40 | hop | you can configure sudo to allow password-less user switching |
| 00:50.48 | Nnavd | with nopasswd right? |
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| 00:52.24 | Nnavd | wouldn't that have to be applied to the current user though? not the one im sudoing into? |
| 00:53.50 | hop | i still don't get where the password comes from⦠|
| 00:53.58 | hop | read the sudoers man page |
| 00:54.27 | hop | is that java programm running non-root as well? |
| 00:54.35 | Nnavd | yeah |
| 00:55.01 | hop | paranoia is good an' all, but what's the use in further restricting it, then? |
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| 00:55.34 | hop | if you can't trust the shell script, you'll have to change uid within java anyway |
| 00:56.12 | Nnavd | to put it simply, when its not run as a restricted user the program can be used to retrieve data it shouldnt from the container |
| 00:57.07 | jmcnaught | Sounds complicated. |
| 00:57.24 | hop | sounds like fallacy⦠|
| 00:57.40 | hop | what keeps me from copying the script without the sudo (or whatever)? |
| 00:58.11 | Nnavd | not really relevant because the people that could exploit it wouldnt have that access |
| 00:58.18 | hop | o.O? |
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| 00:58.32 | Nnavd | its a web server run in a debian docker container |
| 00:58.59 | hop | you completely lost me |
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| 00:59.39 | Nnavd | none of that is really relevant to what im doing though, I'm just trying to run a bash script as a user without input - ill see if I can make the sudoers do it properly |
| 01:00.02 | hop | this isâ¦Â wrong |
| 01:00.30 | Nnavd | im not saying this is good practice, im just trying to fix something fast |
| 01:00.57 | hop | /maaaybe/ setpriv would be more appropriate, but i'm still not sure what the actual issue is |
| 01:01.12 | hop | you don't fix anything, is what i'm saying |
| 01:01.36 | jmcnaught | A daemon running in a docker container spawns child processes and you want the child processes to run as a different user than the parent? |
| 01:02.02 | hop | that would be what i hoped for, but it didn't sound like it |
| 01:02.26 | Nnavd | yes, jmcnaught |
| 01:03.17 | jmcnaught | And when it spawns the child process(es) it runs a bash script, which is stopping to ask for a password? |
| 01:03.34 | Nnavd | the bash script was what I was trying to use to run the application as another user |
| 01:05.05 | Nnavd | the child proces calls a batch script which then runs the actual child process after swapping users |
| 01:12.44 | themill | ignoring the queries about the actual design, the implementation of that would be via a NOPASSWD config for that specific command for that specific original user |
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| 01:13.04 | Nnavd | I just did that, giving it a try now |
| 01:13.34 | themill | (unless you want to make an SUID wrapper) |
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| 02:01.59 | ZadPartout | sney: how often does backports update? |
| 02:06.05 | Montresor | Depends on the package, for inxi and gallery-dl every release gets it 3 days after unstable does. :3 |
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| 02:11.13 | ZadPartout | Montresor: how often does unstable update? |
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| 02:21.58 | Montresor | ZadPartout: Curious, what information precisely are you seeking? |
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| 02:28.12 | alex11 | sid updates 4 times a day |
| 02:28.19 | alex11 | not every package... but the mirrors update 4 times a day |
| 02:28.21 | alex11 | so once per 6 hrs |
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| 02:30.39 | alex11 | backports are taken from *testing*, not sid |
| 02:30.58 | alex11 | so any package in backports has to have passed the basic quality check needed to get into testing in the first place |
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| 02:45.52 | Aurora_v_kosmose | How would one go about recreating arm imagines themselves? Or alternatively, is there any way to validate arm images anywhere? |
| 02:47.29 | Aurora_v_kosmose | There's no signed checksums anywhere. (And non-signed mean nothing more than a non-corrupted download.) |
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| 03:00.53 | f-a | hello, sometimes when trying new software not from the repos I am confronted by instructions like these https://wiki.winehq.org/Debian |
| 03:01.08 | f-a | I would never run those as it would be a frankendebian |
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| 03:01.31 | f-a | but is there a way to do this without getting my machine dirty? A virtual machine perhaps? |
| 03:01.38 | f-a | which setup is most convenient? |
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| 03:02.05 | ectospasm | f-a: depends on what you mean by "convenient" |
| 03:02.18 | ectospasm | And it depends on what exactly you're trying to do. |
| 03:02.25 | jmcnaught | Using a third-party repo does not automatically make a FrankenDebian. |
| 03:03.29 | f-a | well, as I have said, using a new (or not present in the repos) piece of software |
| 03:03.46 | f-a | the alternative is «compile it yourself», with wine (32 bit support, etc.) quite tedious |
| 03:04.04 | f-a | sometimes very difficult (does pull in dependencies not found in the main repos etc) |
| 03:04.08 | f-a | jmcnaught: how do I know? |
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| 03:05.54 | jmcnaught | f-a: it is subjective, but FrankenDebian is usually a result of mixing releases (e.g. stable+testing), mixing distros (debian+ubuntu), or using PPAs and other repos that are not built specifically for Debian. |
| 03:06.59 | jmcnaught | f-a: if a third party repo only installs a handful of packages and important stuff like libc6 do not get replaced, it is probably fine. |
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| 03:09.15 | jmcnaught | f-a: that said, I do what I can do keep my sources.list pure Debian stable. I use virtual machines for a lot of stuff, sometimes containers or chroots. It depends on what the software is I'm trying to run. |
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| 03:10.23 | f-a | I see, and which guides you to pick a vm or a chroot or a container? |
| 03:13.06 | jmcnaught | Does the program need a GUI, or access to audio? A VM might be best in that case. Unless the program requires 3D acceleration. If it is a server daemon, a container is probably fine. I have also run GUI programs from a chroot using schroot, though not recently. |
| 03:15.12 | jmcnaught | f-a: maybe for this case PlayOnLinux would be useful? I have not used it, but it seems to manage custom Wine versions on a per-program basis. |
| 03:15.18 | jmcnaught | ,i playonlinux |
| 03:15.29 | judd | Package playonlinux (contrib/otherosfs, optional) in buster/amd64: front-end for Wine. Version: 4.3.4-1; Size: 933.6k; Installed: 2920k; Homepage: https://www.playonlinux.com/; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/playonlinux |
| 03:16.47 | f-a | oh I see in contrib |
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| 03:19.57 | cef | stupid q time from me: trying to spin up an x32 port chroot and debootstrap errored out. looks like it's complaining about systemd-timesyncd. Any way to recover and continue from this point? |
| 03:21.24 | jmcnaught | What is the error? |
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| 03:22.45 | cef | dpkg: error processing package systemd (--install): installed systemd package post-installation script subprocess returned error exit status 73 |
| 03:22.45 | dpkg | cef: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 03:23.18 | dvs | ??? |
| 03:28.28 | cef | https://paste.debian.net/hidden/a1f87143/ |
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| 03:28.54 | cef | sorry, was trying to figure out how to navigate in the chroot env. |
| 03:29.35 | jmcnaught | cef: unstable? |
| 03:30.30 | jmcnaught | They are more likely to know what is wrong on irc.oftc.net in #debian-next (the testing/unstable channel). |
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| 03:31.18 | cef | yeah unstable, but x32 port. probably systemd broken again.. *sigh* |
| 03:33.22 | jmcnaught | cef: https://wiki.debian.org/X32Port says there is also #debian-x32 on freenode |
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| 03:33.36 | cef | in there now. :P |
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| 03:36.30 | cef | thinking I might be able to use the snapshot archive but not sure I can be bothered atm. |
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| 03:38.50 | zerocool | hi ya'll, i have a networking question. i typically use /etc/network/interfaces to bring interfaces up for me but when i make changes i find it highly unrelable to use systemctl restart networking to tear things down and bring them backup. is there a "proper" way to do this? |
| 03:39.21 | ectospasm | zerocool: ifup/ifdown doesn't work for you? |
| 03:39.43 | ectospasm | So, if you've modified a network interface: ifdown <iface> && ifup <iface> |
| 03:39.59 | zerocool | ectospasm: if i bridge to a vlan can i name it in /etc/network/interfaces and ifup br0.104, for instance? |
| 03:40.06 | zerocool | if that's the bridge that i defined there |
| 03:40.27 | ectospasm | I believe so, I have a VLAN interface in my /etc/network/interfaces |
| 03:41.07 | ectospasm | Now, my Wifi adapter in that machine still gets a static IP address, but it's no longer set in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 03:41.25 | ectospasm | I haven't been able to track down where it's getting set |
| 03:41.33 | zerocool | hrm |
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| 03:42.26 | zerocool | well here's another question... somewhat related. do i need to have an IP address on a vlan bridge in order to use it... for vm's |
| 03:42.45 | zerocool | or can i just bridge and set it `iface br0.104 inet manual` |
| 03:43.10 | ectospasm | I can't answer that, I usually don't use a bridge interface. |
| 03:43.45 | zerocool | hmm... well i'll try to define the vlan in interfaces and ifup it after, if that works I will be very happy. |
| 03:44.05 | ectospasm | Oh, maybe I do. Looks like VirtualBox creates its own bridge interface (vboxnet0, which does not have an IP address on the host) |
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| 03:44.29 | cef | ectospasm: probably network manager |
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| 03:48.33 | zerocool | omg ectospasm it worked |
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| 03:48.39 | zerocool | i am very happy rn |
| 03:48.47 | zerocool | :) thanks friend |
| 03:49.43 | zerocool | added the block under /etc/network/interfaces (inet manual), then `ifup br0.104` if came right up and I added it to a vm. |
| 03:53.10 | dvs | !prize zerocool |
| 03:53.10 | dpkg | gives zerocool a yogi pin. |
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| 03:58.22 | cef | ok.. so figured it out the chroot issue. had to go into the chroot, dpkg -i all the .deb files in /var/cache/apt/archives/ except systemd/systemd-timesyncd, then once that was done (still broken at that point) I had to run 'apt --fix-broken install' within the chroot |
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| 04:30.09 | lifostack | hi all running x86_64 debian here on a dual boot win10/debian disk... separate partitions for /,/home,swap ... wondering what i should do when i run out of space in / or /home |
| 04:30.21 | lifostack | is it better to put these partitions on separate disks? |
| 04:30.33 | lifostack | specifically root and home partitions? |
| 04:30.50 | ectospasm | lifostack: are you using LVM or a more advanced filesystem than ext4? |
| 04:31.08 | lifostack | i am using ext4 |
| 04:31.15 | lifostack | but i can remember if i setup encryption or not |
| 04:31.18 | ectospasm | lifostack: have you thought of using LVM? |
| 04:31.26 | ectospasm | LVM isn't encryption. |
| 04:31.37 | lifostack | i think i tried to use LVM in the past, i think i encrypted it and lost the key and decided against using LVM again |
| 04:32.19 | lifostack | oh thats right i couldnt use LVM because i had windows 10 on a partition and LVM wanted to erase the disk |
| 04:32.31 | lifostack | i do use LVM on installs that dont dual boot windows though |
| 04:32.44 | ectospasm | Logical Volume Management. Set up disks/partitions as physical volumes (PVs), set up Volume Groups (VGs) with those PVs, set up Logical Volumes (LVs) in those VGs, then you can add disks/partitions and grow your ext4 filesystem once you've added disks/partitions. |
| 04:32.46 | lifostack | but i dont "know" what im doing i typically let linux automate the process for me |
| 04:33.14 | ectospasm | lifostack: You should be able to use LVM without disturbing your Win10 installation, just use different partitions as PVs. |
| 04:33.29 | ectospasm | And don't add your Win10 partition as a PV |
| 04:33.56 | lifostack | oh ok |
| 04:34.02 | ectospasm | I don't know if the Debian installer will do that for you automatically |
| 04:34.02 | lifostack | how can i check if these are LVM partitions? |
| 04:34.05 | lifostack | fdisk -l? |
| 04:34.15 | ectospasm | You'd probably need to manually partition your disk to preserve Win10. |
| 04:34.19 | lifostack | yeah the auto part of the installer wouldnt do that for me |
| 04:34.31 | lifostack | but it was no biggie i was just trying to get up and running as fast as possible |
| 04:34.48 | lifostack | when i do a full install on a non dual boot disk i'll go full LVM or try the manual partitioning like you suggeste |
| 04:34.49 | lifostack | d |
| 04:34.51 | ectospasm | Partitioning disks manually isn't difficult. |
| 04:35.58 | lifostack | yeah looks like these are simple MBR partitions one extended where all 3 of my linux partitions live |
| 04:36.56 | lifostack | does LVM work with MBR or GPT? or is it its own thing? |
| 04:37.12 | ectospasm | LVM is agnostic to the partitioning scheme, you can use either. |
| 04:37.20 | lifostack | oh ok |
| 04:37.31 | lifostack | hence volume mgmt |
| 04:37.39 | lifostack | i think im starting to get my head around it |
| 04:38.15 | lifostack | so basically when i go to make the increase in disk space whether that be a larger disk with larger partitions or multiple disks with partitions on each, it would be a good time to go ahead and migrate over to LVM on a manually partitioned disk? |
| 04:38.55 | ectospasm | Only thing to really watch out with LVM is mixing different types of disks. Having HDDs and SDDs in the same VG may give mixed/uneven performance for your LVs in that VG. |
| 04:39.08 | ectospasm | SSDs. not SDDs |
| 04:39.13 | lifostack | noted |
| 04:42.33 | lifostack | hmm still having a hard time figuring out just what kind of partitions these are "disks" is just saying they are linux partitions |
| 04:42.56 | lifostack | Partitioning says MBR |
| 04:43.12 | ectospasm | fdisk -l doesn't tell you what filesystem is on them. |
| 04:43.27 | lifostack | ext 4 on both linux partitions / and /home and swap on /swap |
| 04:43.38 | lifostack | what file systems are used on LVM? |
| 04:43.48 | ectospasm | Any Linux filesystem will show Linux as the partition type. |
| 04:44.32 | ectospasm | lifostack: any filesystem you want, there's no restriction. You can even put NTFS on them if you're so inclined. Good luck getting Windows to recognize them, though! |
| 04:45.03 | lifostack | heh! |
| 04:45.51 | ectospasm | I don't use LVM everywhere, it adds a layer of abstraction I rarely need. |
| 04:46.26 | ectospasm | Like on this laptop, I just have one BIG Btrfs volume, and use subvolumes for snapshots and backup purposes. |
| 04:46.36 | ectospasm | I can't remember if my Debian router has LVM set up. |
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| 04:50.18 | ectospasm | I've played around with VDO too, but I don't know as much about it. |
| 04:50.36 | ectospasm | I should probably play around with it more. |
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| 04:53.23 | ectospasm | I did spend the last six months or so learning iSCSI, that was fun. |
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| 04:56.40 | ectospasm | Found an interesting interplay between mdadm and iSCSI, that's what took me six months to solve. |
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| 05:19.38 | lifostack | i'm using dd to backup an sdcard... df -h says its 116GB in size, my dd is over 120GB now, is something wrong? |
| 05:19.54 | lifostack | im crucially about to run out of space here |
| 05:21.11 | ectospasm | lifostack: what's the size of the SD card as reported by the manufacturer? |
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| 05:21.34 | lifostack | 128 |
| 05:21.35 | lifostack | GB |
| 05:22.03 | ectospasm | So when dd gets to the end of the disk, it will end. |
| 05:22.15 | ectospasm | what did you choose as your block size? |
| 05:22.19 | lifostack | 50M |
| 05:22.30 | lifostack | is that crazy? |
| 05:22.37 | ectospasm | That's a bit large |
| 05:22.42 | lifostack | its copying from an 80M max SDCard to an SSD which is 800M |
| 05:22.43 | cef | df is reporting the free size, not the max. dd will be backing up the full disk |
| 05:22.44 | lifostack | max |
| 05:23.03 | lifostack | df reported both the free and max sizes in my output |
| 05:23.20 | lifostack | ectospasm, i thought it would help speed up the transfer |
| 05:24.00 | ectospasm | Depends on if your SD card interface can talk that fast. |
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| 07:24.23 | sgo11 | hi, how can I install ffmpeg with zscale support? Thanks. |
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| 07:27.03 | another | compile it |
| 07:28.23 | trench | and then use checkinstall |
| 07:28.32 | sgo11 | another: any easy-to-follow compile guide to enable all options for ffmpeg? thanks. |
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| 07:37.13 | another | see the answers in #ffmpeg |
| 07:38.12 | sgo11 | another: yeah, I am asking there. Thanks. |
| 07:39.20 | jmcnaught | !package recompile |
| 07:39.20 | dpkg | 1) Add a <deb-src> line for your current release to your sources.list 2) apt update; apt install build-essential devscripts fakeroot; apt build-dep packagename 3) as any user, apt-get source packagename 4) cd packagename-version/; ask me about <debian/rules>; 5) dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us 6) as root, apt install ../packagename-version.deb. Ask me about <debian/rules>, <nocheck>, <nostrip>, <apt-get source>. |
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| 08:15.34 | gamrix | Hi, its possible to stop the automatic "apt update" in Debian Buster ? I stopped/disabled/masked all the apt-daily-*.timer/service. In /usr/lib/apt/apt.systemd.daily, i put AutoAptEnable to 0 but my server still do an apt update... And i didn't see how in the syslog. The 2 last packages were "libldap-2.4.2" and "libldap-common". Thanks |
| 08:18.33 | Montresor | And unattended-upgrades isn't installed? |
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| 08:19.02 | gamrix | No |
| 08:19.18 | gamrix | And no unattended cron |
| 08:19.55 | Miles8of9 | M$ mode: you can't stop it from updating!! :D |
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| 08:20.16 | gamrix | Only the apt-compat cron, but it say it won't work if systemd is used. And i didn't see a cron in the syslog |
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| 08:20.29 | gamrix | Yeah... :D But i have to !!! :D |
| 08:20.45 | gamrix | It's only the cache |
| 08:22.01 | gamrix | apt list --upgradable didn't update the cache, right ? |
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| 08:28.37 | shtrb | gamrix , you should also take a look at /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ if you iddn't do that already |
| 08:28.51 | shtrb | also there is an update service via discover if it is running |
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| 08:32.42 | gamrix | In apt.conf.d, i have the default 00CDMountPoint / 00trustcdrom / 01autoremove / 01autoremove-kernels / 20listchanges / 70debconf. I just put a 00aptproxy because i have an aptcacherng in the network. |
| 08:32.50 | ratrace | gamrix: how did you disable the timer? |
| 08:33.27 | gamrix | Discover, it's not only with graphical server ? |
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| 08:34.00 | borrougagnou | Hello, I would like to know, someone has already push something on DockerHub ? |
| 08:34.03 | ratrace | ho kay, a chatbot..... |
| 08:35.11 | gamrix | ratrace: stop and disable with systemctl stop/disable apt-daily-upgrade.timer. And if i check with "systemctl list-timers", i didn't see it |
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| 08:35.40 | ratrace | gamrix: okay, then next question, how do you know it runs? |
| 08:35.51 | Montresor | Got packagekit? Have package-update-indicator installed? There's too many things that could be updating the cache, geeez. |
| 08:36.15 | shtrb | gamrix, yes , discover is a user interface app |
| 08:37.16 | gamrix | ratrace: with a job, i do this command "apt list --upgradable" every day at the same hour to see when new packages are available and check the logs. |
| 08:37.40 | gamrix | This is a server, no user interface |
| 08:38.19 | jmcnaught | According to the comments in /usr/lib/apt/apt.systemd.daily if you set 'APT::Periodic::Enable "0";' in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ it will not do anything. |
| 08:38.27 | ratrace | gamrix: and you see new things but you never run apt update? |
| 08:38.37 | shtrb | jmcnaught, that's why I sent him there |
| 08:39.04 | shtrb | ratrace, that's the default config on some new installation in buster , very usefull in my opnion |
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| 08:39.38 | shtrb | it's run once a day (I think ) , you are aware of security and other update and happy as a clam |
| 08:40.01 | ratrace | shtrb: but if the timer is disabled... |
| 08:40.43 | ratrace | I'm asking, if they disabled the service or timer, how are they detecting the update is still running |
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| 08:40.47 | shtrb | I don't know about his situation , I actually have also a problem with cron and timers yesterday (and I had offended jelly by that) so I just don't know |
| 08:40.59 | shtrb | ratrace, you see the process :) |
| 08:41.40 | shtrb | and sorry to jelly again for that |
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| 08:42.18 | ratrace | and I'm asking in order to determine _what_ started it. if you can see the process, maybe you can also see the parent. Or if something is in the logs. gamrix never said how they're noticing it running |
| 08:43.16 | gamrix | In /usr/lib/apt/apt.systemd.daily. I only changed one line : AutoAptEnable=0 |
| 08:43.22 | ratrace | there's the timer and its service by default. there's apt-compat daily cron that just exits on a systemd system (is a fallback cron for no systemd for timers). |
| 08:43.52 | ratrace | gamrix: that's just the binary run by the timer and cron. if you disable (and stop!) the timer, it should not run. can you verify with systemctl list-timers ? |
| 08:43.53 | gamrix | The apt-daily services are masked |
| 08:44.03 | gamrix | sure |
| 08:44.31 | gamrix | I only have 3 timers, systemd-tmpfiles-clear.timer / logrotate.timer / man-db.timer |
| 08:45.30 | ratrace | gamrix: right, and if you run journalctl -u apt-daily.service, you'll see there's no logs for it running after the change? |
| 08:46.54 | gamrix | yes, "No entries" |
| 08:47.38 | ratrace | gamrix: so then that's not running |
| 08:47.55 | ratrace | so now, how do you know something is still updating apt? |
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| 08:48.55 | gamrix | It's not the aptcacher server, it's only a proxy server so if i didn't run and apt update or upgrade, it's not it ? I don't understand because i have no entry in the syslog about apt... or a cron... |
| 08:49.24 | ratrace | that doesn't answer my question |
| 08:49.42 | gamrix | Because i have a job which check "apt list --upgradable" every day. And at 7 pm friday, no packages, at 7pm saturday, 2 packages |
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| 08:50.30 | ratrace | then you have something atypical there that's running the update and it's not related to the default update service |
| 08:50.52 | ratrace | packagekit, perhaps, as someone suggested earlier? |
| 08:53.29 | gamrix | it's not only with a graphical interface ? |
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| 08:53.54 | ratrace | it should be , but easily verifiable if you ahve it, with dpkg |
| 08:54.12 | gamrix | systemctl status packagekit, no service found |
| 08:54.19 | ratrace | it's not a service methinks |
| 08:54.31 | ratrace | dpkg -l | grep packagekit |
| 08:54.31 | dpkg | ii | grep packagekit 2.8-12 ratrace's private coin collection |
| 08:54.48 | ratrace | WILL SOMEONE MAKE THE BOT ONLY RESPOND TO ! COMMANDS PLEASE |
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| 08:55.37 | ksk | maybe migrate it do discord ;) |
| 08:55.47 | Montresor | ...It's a little funny this way. |
| 08:56.00 | ratrace | it just creates extra noise |
| 08:56.26 | Haohmaru | dpkg turn your bass down |
| 08:56.26 | dpkg | Haohmaru: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 08:56.27 | gamrix | your command returns nothing |
| 08:57.17 | ratrace | gamrix: then it's not installed. well, can you grep -i "apt" in all the log files? |
| 08:57.35 | ratrace | except /var/log/apt, that one's obvious |
| 08:58.37 | gamrix | If its not debian, its another product which is installed on the servers... I think i have a clue now.... -_- |
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| 08:59.12 | ratrace | gamrix: I'm now curious to know what |
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| 09:00.05 | gamrix | I'm not sure, i'm checking it, a security product |
| 09:00.09 | gamrix | (eset) |
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| 09:05.38 | borrougagnou | Hello, I repost my question, I would like to know, someone has already push something on DockerHub ? |
| 09:06.37 | ratrace | you should specify the actual problem you're having, preferably related to Debian |
| 09:06.41 | ratrace | !anyone |
| 09:06.41 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
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| 09:08.54 | borrougagnou | okay, so I created dockerfile, I publish this dockerfile in public repository, I can build without problem in debian, but when I try to build using DockerHub... how say... nothing... no information |
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| 09:27.07 | wyoung | ratrace: You like pop corn? |
| 09:27.25 | ratrace | no |
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| 09:39.03 | pitch | Hello fellas! i got the following error when installing radicale, according to their provided doc. Thoughts? https://termbin.com/ybpk |
| 09:40.05 | ratrace | pitch: you didn't just apt install radicale ? |
| 09:42.05 | pitch | no |
| 09:42.10 | ratrace | why not? |
| 09:42.19 | pitch | ecause the apt version is very old and has known issues |
| 09:42.29 | ratrace | ,v radicale |
| 09:42.30 | judd | Package: radicale on amd64 -- jessie: 0.9-1+deb8u1; jessie-security: 0.9-1+deb8u2; stretch: 1.1.1+20160115-4; buster: 2.1.11-6; bullseye: 2.1.12-1; sid: 2.1.12-1 |
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| 09:42.36 | pitch | including but not limited to not supporting 'secure' passwordhashing etc |
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| 09:43.27 | pitch | yeah i know all you fancy kids do reverse proxy thingies to auth.... but i am to pleb for that |
| 09:44.02 | pitch | so i stick with bcrypt in an htpasswd file |
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| 09:44.54 | ratrace | anyway your service file is broken, so you should consult the documentation and/or the developers, on requirements for the service and how to configure it properly on Debian Stable |
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| 09:47.50 | ratrace | I'm betting your ExecStart is wrong, you either don't have python3 or the module is not properly installed |
| 09:48.31 | ratrace | and since installing python modules in the root repository is a no-no, you better set up a virtualenv for it, and alter StartExec to use the virtualenv. But that's pure speculation here, dunno what you actually did :) |
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| 09:50.53 | pitch | ratrace: i followed the documentation provided by radicale here: https://radicale.org/3.0.html#documentation/configuration |
| 09:51.12 | ratrace | I assumed, and I looked it up, that's why I think your ExecStart is wrong |
| 09:51.16 | ratrace | (or incomplete) |
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| 09:52.00 | ratrace | number one issue: if you followed that crappy documentation and ran pip as root? you just broke your system. |
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| 09:56.19 | fireba11 | ratrace: *sigh* the number of official documentations that tell ppl to run things like pip as root ... |
| 09:56.48 | ratrace | I'd ban them from the internets. Them and all the curl | sudo bash folk |
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| 10:03.38 | fireba11 | haha |
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| 10:06.01 | pitch | ratrace. i did not use pip as root. radicale is placed in the .local/FOO of the user radicale |
| 10:06.13 | ksk | and I was like "okay nice, most projects I lookat nowadays even suggest you create a seperate virtualenv in user context.." ;) |
| 10:06.38 | ratrace | pitch: then you need to alter ExecStart to use proper python path for the module |
| 10:06.45 | pitch | i heard abouit the virtual en v stuff a lot, but i dont know what it is nor does |
| 10:07.01 | ratrace | pitch: this is REALLY best done with virtualenv, as then you can ExecStart = /path/to/your/virtualenv/bin/python3 -m radicale |
| 10:07.10 | ksk | pitch: its "all python components on a per project basis under $Home/foo" |
| 10:07.23 | ratrace | pitch: welp, building your own software and integrating with the distro requires alotta knowledge. it's beyond simple help on irc. |
| 10:07.36 | pitch | but i can just run /usr/bin/env python3 -m radicale |
| 10:07.42 | ksk | So you can change the projects dependencies (stuff pulled in via pip) without effecting the system, or other projects |
| 10:07.47 | pitch | and i t seems to work. |
| 10:09.40 | ksk | If you are hosting anything but a PoC "seems to work" should not be the standard you measure success with. |
| 10:10.13 | fireba11 | :-D |
| 10:10.25 | ratrace | pitch: as the user runing the service? |
| 10:10.49 | fireba11 | ksk: and then take care your PoC doesn't creep into production ;-) |
| 10:10.53 | ratrace | your problem is that python3 you execute via env, doesn't see the module |
| 10:11.01 | pitch | okay |
| 10:11.12 | pitch | now thats an information i can work with |
| 10:11.39 | pitch | i was out of this game for a long time, since 200* at least |
| 10:11.52 | pitch | now i try to get my own infra up and running |
| 10:12.50 | ratrace | pitch: do yourself a favor and install radicale in virtualenv, alert yyour service ExecStart to run the python3 bin inside the virtualenv |
| 10:13.00 | ratrace | your future self will thank you later, many times. |
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| 10:13.43 | ratrace | alert == alter damn typos and early mornings |
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| 10:16.14 | pitch | ratrace: any pointer to a sane doc for virtualenv?> |
| 10:17.02 | ratrace | I don't know any specifically to recommend. |
| 10:17.19 | pitch | thank you anyways |
| 10:17.35 | ratrace | maybe someone in #python has a link. but otherwise, just google and see how it's set up. it's very easy. |
| 10:17.44 | pitch | alrighty |
| 10:18.11 | ratrace | it's just a directory where python binary is installed and modified to consider that directory it's whole world. all the modules go there, everything packages do and install go there, like a chroot, but isn't realyl chroot. |
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| 10:39.06 | RadoS | I want to convert windows users to linux/x11, what's a close to windows7/10 look&feel WM + theme? |
| 10:44.31 | ratrace | RadoS: your cause is lost to begin with. the whole reason to "convert" users is to show them the power of FOSS and all the diversity in the ecosyste, not just replicate their existing paradigms with a different kernel. |
| 10:44.54 | Haohmaru | how does windows look like? to me it's win98, so i'd say LXDE is close enough |
| 10:45.01 | ratrace | so if you want to "convert" them by putting them into the same visual environment, you've failed. |
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| 10:46.12 | Haohmaru | they might find KolourPaint useful tho ;P~ |
| 10:47.26 | genr8_ | id say its a lost cause for other reasons. you cant expect to successfully convert other people unless you first try it yourself |
| 10:47.39 | RadoS | ratrace, I know what you mean, but we're talking about families without own hardware yet, who in the need for "homeschooling" get some free hardware, and should get some free software with it. Unfortunately are the school teachers trained only in windows, so if I leave that to them, it will all become windows. |
| 10:47.49 | Haohmaru | genr8_ absolutely ^ |
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| 10:48.58 | ratrace | RadoS: which is not bad per se. I quit recommending linux to people long time ago because it created more problems, more frustration and more time lost for everyone, UNLESS the person truly wanted the paradigm shift and get into FOSS. |
| 10:49.08 | Haohmaru | you can install multiple DEs and each user can select what DE session he wants at the login screen |
| 10:49.11 | ratrace | "not bad" == "running windows" |
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| 10:49.15 | RadoS | Now one of the teachers showed willingness to learn new ways, for a pitch demo I'd like to show him that it "doesn't hurt" by being too different from look&feel. The philosophy & all the love can follow later. |
| 10:49.25 | fireba11 | RadoS: i know the reality looks different, but everyone being able to reasonably use a computer should be fine with any normal linux desktop without any windows-like themes ... |
| 10:49.32 | genr8_ | ratrace, exactly |
| 10:49.38 | genr8_ | you can lead a horse to water but you cant make him drink |
| 10:49.46 | fireba11 | RadoS: good look with that project :-D |
| 10:50.12 | ratrace | RadoS: you have to show them the FULL shebang then. package management, config files, terminal, problems when you open MS word files and convert to LibreOffice. Inability to run Skype and similar programs. .... |
| 10:50.22 | RadoS | genr8_, that's where I _am_ now: the horse is willing, just needs a chance to take a sip. |
| 10:50.37 | genr8_ | yeah theyre gonna be like "wheres skype, wheres adobe, how do i download exes? |
| 10:50.46 | RadoS | ratrace, that's all no show-stopper, skye etc exists for linux. |
| 10:50.57 | fireba11 | we once had a local school lacking funds for updating their PCs and the local linux user group offered to set up a linux network for free so they only had to pay for hardware (so their budget would work) and maintain it for a year untill they get used to it and they decided against it -_- |
| 10:51.04 | genr8_ | they still have to figure it out |
| 10:51.10 | Haohmaru | RadoS i wouldn't wanna use it ;P~ |
| 10:51.33 | Haohmaru | proprietary crapware |
| 10:51.43 | RadoS | Haohmaru, me neither, but I can show them alternatives. Once they get the taste of it, they might live it on on their own. |
| 10:52.32 | RadoS | fireba11, I know that scenario _very well_, I've been such lug'er. |
| 10:52.37 | genr8_ | well good luck with all that but its more work for yourself trying to understand all those concerns |
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| 10:52.52 | RadoS | genr8_, I |
| 10:53.04 | RadoS | I'm no newb to _that_ business. ;-) |
| 10:53.20 | genr8_ | then you're a masochist |
| 10:53.24 | RadoS | knows. |
| 10:53.48 | ratrace | RadoS: then give them KDE. looks like windows, and also doesn't really, so gives them enough to go "ooh, what can this button do", and discover the configurability hell of FOSS :) trial by fire :) |
| 10:53.58 | RadoS | Yet I guess it will make me happier than to work for a commercial company working mainly with M$. |
| 10:54.14 | Haohmaru | kde x_x |
| 10:54.28 | ratrace | installs Crapdows on all Haohmaru machines. |
| 10:54.40 | Haohmaru | ratrace i already have crapdows |
| 10:54.59 | Haohmaru | if you want to cause damage to me, say crapdows10 specifically |
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| 10:55.08 | Haohmaru | then i will draw my guns |
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| 10:55.36 | ratrace | installs Crapdows10 on all Haohmaru machines. <.< >.> |
| 10:55.43 | Haohmaru | >:( |
| 10:55.57 | Haohmaru | shoots ratrace with a laz0r |
| 10:56.04 | ratrace | oof |
| 10:56.24 | fireba11 | offers ratrace a mirror |
| 10:56.32 | Haohmaru | now i have to bleach muh harddisks |
| 10:57.25 | Haohmaru | fireba11 my FOSS-laz0r penetrates thru mirrors |
| 10:58.17 | genr8_ | This news article was making the rounds a few months ago https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2020/07/10/ubuntu-based-linux-os-similar-to-windows-10/ |
| 10:58.30 | Haohmaru | eww |
| 10:58.31 | genr8_ | "LinuxFx", ubuntu based. |
| 10:58.58 | Haohmaru | that wallpaper tho |
| 10:59.43 | ratrace | whatever happened to Lindows |
| 11:00.05 | RadoS | genr8_, I've come across that, too, but wasn't there some legal issue because they used original M$- stuff? |
| 11:00.12 | ratrace | I mean it still exists as Linspire, innit. |
| 11:00.12 | genr8_ | i think that still exists |
| 11:00.39 | genr8_ | RadoS, probably, it looks like that could be the case, but i didnt see it. |
| 11:00.55 | Haohmaru | this makes me wanna vomit https://specials-images.forbesimg.com/imageserve/5f0836a3111f4f00078c705a/960x0.jpg?fit=scale |
| 11:01.14 | Haohmaru | putty.. google.. |
| 11:01.15 | genr8_ | wtf is Hang Up |
| 11:01.23 | Haohmaru | no idea |
| 11:01.26 | genr8_ | hangs himself up |
| 11:01.29 | Haohmaru | something evil |
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| 11:04.12 | genr8_ | idk. i dont think its a solved problem. if we had the solution we would be converting 100 people a day and know the answer |
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| 11:07.36 | Haohmaru | the solution is evolution |
| 11:08.30 | ratrace | there is no answer. desktop linux is terribad. all of us that DO use it and like it, made a lot of compromises and dismissed a lot of sour grapes to do so :) |
| 11:08.59 | Haohmaru | pls, it's not terrible |
| 11:09.08 | ratrace | hell, even Ubuntu that was once the synonym for desktop linux, is turning away and going into containers and servers. |
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| 11:10.04 | Haohmaru | i'm browsing, coding, CAD'ing and what not on debian+LXDE |
| 11:10.14 | ratrace | but can you skype or slack? |
| 11:10.32 | Haohmaru | dafuq are those |
| 11:10.42 | Haohmaru | IRC or gtfo |
| 11:10.44 | ratrace | something the company I work for required me to use lol |
| 11:10.56 | Haohmaru | tell em they're doing it wrong |
| 11:10.59 | ratrace | and I said "uh , I'm on linux, I don't win" "UR FIRED!" |
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| 11:11.23 | ratrace | j/k, wasn't fired, but they were annoyed I couldn't slack with the rest of the team |
| 11:11.40 | ratrace | I actualyl tried the slack snap but that didn't work and I refused to spend more than 93 seconds on debugging it. |
| 11:12.01 | Haohmaru | here i'm forced to use this viber crapware |
| 11:12.04 | ratrace | the "uh I'm on linux" got me few months ago when I was interviewing for a job with another company. |
| 11:12.07 | Haohmaru | using it on crapdows only |
| 11:12.20 | ratrace | they wanted microsoft Teams. they needed. I had to use that for remote interview. had to install on my phone. |
| 11:12.31 | Haohmaru | eww |
| 11:13.08 | ratrace | I tried to move family to linux. reverted one machine back to windows aftre multiple issues with hdmi and double monitors. |
| 11:13.33 | ratrace | reverted another when the user kept complaining there's no microsoft office and they REALLY really cannot use LibreOffice |
| 11:13.58 | Haohmaru | okay, f*ck M$ |
| 11:14.02 | Haohmaru | >:/ |
| 11:14.05 | ratrace | the third wanted some obscure windows only program I couldn't get to run via wine, and I just resigned, it was too much effort for zERO gain |
| 11:15.05 | ratrace | I myself, a veteran of lee nuks, have a Crapdows10 VM set up with GPU passthrough for those rare cases Proton ain't 'nuff. |
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| 11:15.34 | Haohmaru | yeah, it's a personal choice.. i personally am horrified of where crapdows is going (it already went beyond what i can tollerate at crapdows10, and it looks like it's gonna keep getting worse), i also personally am tired of dealing with viruses and sh*t |
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| 11:16.05 | Haohmaru | thus i'm willing to potentially not be able to do certain things i'm familiar with |
| 11:16.19 | Haohmaru | ..but have a more sane OS |
| 11:17.01 | Haohmaru | turns out, some of the windows programs that i expected to say goodbye to, have alternatives on linux, which are even BETTER |
| 11:17.11 | wyoung | Haohmaru: ?? |
| 11:18.00 | Haohmaru | proprietary camera RAW image processor (exe) -> Darktable or RawTherapee |
| 11:18.00 | ratrace | Haohmaru: ie. the compromises and sour grapes? :) |
| 11:18.25 | ratrace | the "potentially not be able to do certain things" |
| 11:18.36 | Haohmaru | two, completely different, very advanced alternatives, i personally liked the Darktable workflow better |
| 11:19.28 | Haohmaru | many of the coding-related things work better on linux |
| 11:20.11 | ratrace | Haohmaru: esp. now with tht MS Visual thingy being available :) |
| 11:20.39 | Haohmaru | i ain't putting crapdows10 on my machines |
| 11:21.57 | ratrace | do you even have a choice these days? I heard a lot of horror stories of unsactioned, unallowed, upgrades from, say, w7 to w10, with computers left on overnight :) |
| 11:22.21 | Haohmaru | at home i have winXP |
| 11:22.31 | Haohmaru | here i'm using win7 |
| 11:22.45 | ratrace | now, running winXP in 2020 is the other extreme |
| 11:23.27 | ratrace | and you're basically admitting to running unpatched, insecure software..... you go online with those things? |
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| 11:23.46 | Haohmaru | unfortunately i have music-related software, including my own, which is written for win32 |
| 11:24.14 | Haohmaru | that's the last chunk of the puzzle that i need to solve to ditch crapdows |
| 11:24.35 | ratrace | why not run win in a VM then, on debian host? |
| 11:24.54 | Haohmaru | uhm, i'm using old computers |
| 11:25.06 | genr8_ | real time audio doesnt like that |
| 11:25.07 | Haohmaru | would the fancy soundcard even wurk |
| 11:25.28 | ratrace | pcipasstrhu it |
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| 11:25.55 | ratrace | but if the hardware is old.... |
| 11:26.04 | Haohmaru | yeah.. i'm more looking into using debian for it.. i installed a DAW that enabled some kernel thing that would give more priority to audio stuff or something |
| 11:26.19 | Haohmaru | it's a core2duo with 4GB of ram |
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| 11:27.13 | Haohmaru | the soundcard wurkz |
| 11:27.47 | Haohmaru | i recorded a 30-minutes audio test session |
| 11:28.42 | Haohmaru | ratrace i do all my browsing from my other machine where i have debian only |
| 11:29.07 | Haohmaru | (and more RAM, 8GB) |
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| 11:30.02 | Haohmaru | eventually the cons of crapdows will make more people look for alternatives |
| 11:30.14 | Haohmaru | call it evolution |
| 11:30.31 | Haohmaru | linux just has to keep getting better |
| 11:30.40 | Haohmaru | "just" ;P~ |
| 11:30.41 | genr8_ | just having it being on the same LAN is problematic. ive been trying to tell people about this. this specific attack was released/disclosed the other day from this important guy, but its not exactly new. https://twitter.com/samykamkar/status/1322671073893126144 |
| 11:31.00 | jelly | shtrb: I don't remember anything offensive! |
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| 11:32.42 | genr8_ | rather than give a damn, everyone wants to deny special attacks are real cause "oh thats just theoretical" until they get hit by it themselves. |
| 11:32.49 | Haohmaru | genr8_ you mean having an old crapdows on the same LAN? |
| 11:32.57 | genr8_ | yes |
| 11:33.35 | Haohmaru | uhm, well, it's shutdown since weeks now |
| 11:33.46 | Haohmaru | i don't quite get that diagram |
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| 11:34.34 | genr8_ | well just trust that theres ways into a LAN behind a router when one computer is visiting webpages in a browser and another vulnerable one is on the LAN |
| 11:35.37 | Haohmaru | i have no doubt that there are ways.. i just don't understand that particular picture |
| 11:36.13 | Haohmaru | i've noticed here at $job that very rarely, when i connect to freenode - the identd server happens to work o_O |
| 11:36.29 | Haohmaru | which shouldn't be possible, in theory |
| 11:36.56 | Haohmaru | happens like a few times per year |
| 11:37.47 | genr8_ | i have no answer for that |
| 11:38.46 | Haohmaru | nor do i |
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| 11:39.46 | Haohmaru | but basically, the router from the ISP sometimes lets packets in that should've been blocked normally |
| 11:41.07 | genr8_ | yea i got that part, i would blame the router too now knowing its from the ISP |
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| 11:41.18 | genr8_ | sounds disastrous |
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| 11:45.41 | Haohmaru | is there some more info about that attack? |
| 11:49.30 | Haohmaru | okay, i found some |
| 11:49.55 | ratrace | nothing new there tho, attacks on LAN from compromised browsers is an old thing |
| 11:53.58 | ratrace | this attack would've been pretty much stopped in its tracks on my network :) |
| 11:54.04 | ratrace | I treat my LAN as hostile ;) |
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| 11:55.09 | shtrb | Haohmaru, some ISP provided routers are an attack vector against you, you shouldn't expect them to work at all |
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| 11:56.38 | shtrb | genr8_, I doubt it can attack internal machine if they also have *their own properly setup firewalls* , no one should rely on router firewall to defened their laptops/ servers. it's a multi level defense |
| 11:57.14 | oiaohm | shtrb: Its not that simple. |
| 11:57.15 | genr8_ | windows tho. |
| 11:57.41 | oiaohm | web browser people need to be able to use it to access internet and access like network connected printers for status. |
| 11:58.13 | Haohmaru | shtrb what can i do.. i get a fiber cable to the room and they put their router on it (the ISP) |
| 11:58.16 | oiaohm | So exploit in browser even with correctly setup firewalls can be problem if you have like inscure printer. |
| 11:58.37 | shtrb | oiaohm, they should be using local cups , which work against your central cups server (WHICH should be defened by a proper firewall and radius , and be in it's own internet less network) |
| 11:58.47 | ratrace | treating LAN as hostile has been advised by the infosec industry for years now |
| 11:58.50 | shtrb | Haohmaru, put a sane router behind it |
| 11:58.52 | genr8_ | people should be doing a lot of things. |
| 11:59.13 | genr8_ | ratrace, we should keep repeating it |
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| 11:59.30 | genr8_ | along with "delete facebook" |
| 11:59.31 | oiaohm | I still like the recent one where major company printer password turned to be 9999 and that was found this year. |
| 11:59.33 | shtrb | ratrace, it's no longer even infosec people, your lan had been compromised as soon you had a "ISP" router leg inside |
| 11:59.44 | shtrb | genr8_, viva la mastadon ! |
| 11:59.49 | ratrace | shtrb: yep |
| 12:00.12 | oiaohm | Tones of networks I have audited someone password was a form of password. |
| 12:00.34 | oiaohm | Yes a lot of people know what they should do and then don't do it. |
| 12:00.55 | shtrb | oiaohm, that is why we should force radius and pam over EVERYONE in corporate life |
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| 12:01.28 | shtrb | shit, I have radius in one of my home networks (hostapd + freeradius + closed source radius server) |
| 12:02.54 | oiaohm | LOl |
| 12:03.15 | oiaohm | Hopefully not one the the radius with the included default passwords unchangable. |
| 12:03.17 | shtrb | hostapd is not that hard to implement |
| 12:03.24 | shtrb | lol no |
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| 12:03.39 | tramplefoot | are there any C interpreters available in the debian repository? |
| 12:04.06 | shtrb | I have several "separated" networks too , no reason for my A/C or printers to have access to the internet |
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| 12:04.25 | Haohmaru | so my browser can, via visiting a random page, get the router confused and then redirect TCP/UDP packets to the machine that should've been blocked otherwise? |
| 12:04.29 | shtrb | tramplefoot, you mean a compiler or really interiter for C like CSH and Cscript ? |
| 12:04.36 | oiaohm | shtrb: I have a list of 200 universal radius server passwords. That opens up 400 different comerical closed source radius server protected networks. |
| 12:04.42 | shtrb | Haohmaru, that is a feature , not a bug , yes |
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| 12:05.02 | oiaohm | shtrb: I am not that trusting of closed source radius servers. |
| 12:05.15 | shtrb | oiaohm, wait until you learn that some people don't change their secret too |
| 12:05.28 | Haohmaru | well, if it's a debian machine.. |
| 12:05.31 | tramplefoot | csh isn't a c interpreter though |
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| 12:05.48 | tramplefoot | something like Ch or CINT maybe |
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| 12:06.22 | Haohmaru | i guess you shouldn't have a silly user/root password and ssh server on it |
| 12:06.28 | oiaohm | shtrb: two of the universal passwords is a string that causes the server to reset to default out box passwords then you use the default ones. |
| 12:06.39 | Haohmaru | technically, you should never have silly passwords |
| 12:06.54 | computa_mike | Hi - I'm running a Debian 10 image under docker (well - it's the php 7.2-apache image from PHP). I can't install php7.3-curl - get the following error :https://pastebin.com/vnca9ajY |
| 12:07.04 | oiaohm | shtrb: of course that double as it ddos the network and lets you in. |
| 12:07.26 | shtrb | Haohmaru, passwords are useless , you should be using passpharses that change , based on at least three languages |
| 12:07.31 | computa_mike | but I can see the package in there if I run apt search php7-*... |
| 12:07.56 | Haohmaru | uhm |
| 12:08.05 | ratrace | computa_mike: how about php7.2-curl .... you can't install a 7.3 module for 7.2 |
| 12:08.56 | ratrace | and btw.... 7.2 is dead in less than a month |
| 12:09.05 | computa_mike | ratrace - I get a different error : https://pastebin.com/wQreiXmb |
| 12:09.13 | computa_mike | 7.2 isn't there |
| 12:09.23 | ratrace | welp those aren't debian issues, you should ask your repo provider for help |
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| 12:26.47 | computa_mike | thanks for the advice ratrace - I'll update the project to use 7.4 :) |
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| 12:57.05 | jelly | ,v php7.3-curl |
| 12:57.06 | judd | Package: php7.3-curl on amd64 -- buster: 7.3.19-1~deb10u1; buster-security: 7.3.19-1~deb10u1 |
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| 13:48.43 | Fayn | hi. I have debian 10 server with mariadb 10.5 (which was installed from mariadb mirror). config files show that process is being run as 'mysql' user and 'root' user is used for administration through unix socket |
| 13:49.30 | Fayn | but there is /etc/mysql/debian.cnf which has mentions about debian-sys-maint user and that user doesn't exist in my mariadb installation |
| 13:49.52 | Fayn | is it required for some debian specific functions, or just some deprecated user which is not needed anymore? |
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| 13:55.43 | jelly | Fayn: it's used with Debian's packaging of mariadb server. If you had debian's 10.3 before, did not purge all of it, and installed 10.5 from upstream's repo, you might have leftover config |
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| 13:56.04 | Fayn | that is exactly the case |
| 13:56.27 | jelly | I have no idea how mariadb's packaging works or whether they use that at all or not |
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| 13:57.28 | Fayn | i guess this explains it, thanks |
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| 14:37.48 | TuxCrazy | hello... what's the difference between liquorix kernel and xanmod kernel? Can both of these be installed on Debian? |
| 14:38.41 | ratrace | they're not packaged regularly so it's a DIY work and if you break it, you get to keep the pieces. |
| 14:38.47 | jelly | TuxCrazy: best ask liquorix and xanmod people? |
| 14:39.07 | ratrace | that said I think I've seen a few people here claiming to run xanmod in their debians |
| 14:39.08 | jelly | in general, you can use most generic kernel builds on debian |
| 14:39.18 | jelly | or you can build your own |
| 14:39.21 | jelly | and use it |
| 14:39.51 | jelly | let's see if the bot knows anything |
| 14:39.53 | TuxCrazy | how about the security on xanmod or liquorix vis a vis the default one available on debian? |
| 14:39.56 | jelly | !xanmod |
| 14:39.56 | dpkg | XanMod is a general-purpose Linux kernel distribution with custom settings and new features. Built to provide a stable, responsive and smooth desktop experience. https://xanmod.org/ |
| 14:40.01 | jelly | !liquorix |
| 14:40.01 | dpkg | Zen is :)(:, or a school of Mahayana Buddhism, or the Zen kernel: a variant of the Linux kernel optimized for desktop systems, including code not present in mainline. Liquorix kernel image packages (http://liquorix.net/) are Zen-based and are not supported in #debian, use #zen-sources on irc.rizon.net instead. http://zen-kernel.org/ Not to be confused with <Xen>. |
| 14:41.05 | jelly | TuxCrazy: we don't know how other vendors deal with security issues. Debian kernel security issues can be tracked like any other package's, in the |
| 14:41.08 | jelly | !tracker of doom |
| 14:41.09 | dpkg | The Tracker of Doom is a vulnerability database maintained by the Debian security team, viewable at http://security-tracker.debian.org/ . Ask me about <cve lookup CVE-yyyy-nnnn> to get Debian-specific information on a CVE number. See also http://www.debian.org/security/crossreferences or ask me about <debsecan> http://www.enyo.de/fw/software/debsecan/ |
| 14:41.22 | ratrace | TuxCrazy: they're probably less secure based on the fact that they do custom modifications much fewer people are testing and running, raising probability of new bugs unique to those modifications. |
| 14:41.58 | jelly | they might track upstream better and gain some fixes that way, who knows |
| 14:41.59 | TuxCrazy | debian based MX linux makes available on it, the liquorix kernel also. |
| 14:42.22 | jelly | the main point to take away from this is probably "we don't know" |
| 14:42.58 | TuxCrazy | ok |
| 14:43.33 | TuxCrazy | btw, do the point releases of Debian stable provide newer version of packages? |
| 14:44.16 | TuxCrazy | how does the system of point releases of debian work vis a vis that of ubuntu lts? |
| 14:44.43 | ratrace | apples and oranges |
| 14:45.18 | ratrace | and in debian, some packages might be bumped in version, especially the kernel, on debian point releases. |
| 14:45.57 | ratrace | the kernel is almost always rebased to newer point release in the same (LTS) branch, but other packages rarely; when it happens it's due to security fix that's unfeasible to backport |
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| 14:46.36 | ratrace | debian also won't do what ubuntu LTS does, like bumping openssl version mid-release |
| 14:47.00 | TuxCrazy | I am asking specifically about the packages like Firefox, Libre Office etc. |
| 14:47.55 | TuxCrazy | which is better, bugfixes to the existing versions or providing newer versions of packages altogether. |
| 14:47.59 | TuxCrazy | ? |
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| 14:48.17 | TuxCrazy | from the perspective of a casual end user. |
| 14:48.59 | n4dir | on behalf of the end-user being me i can say that i got no clue whatsoever which versions are the programs i use. |
| 14:49.18 | ratrace | TuxCrazy: debian runs Firefox ERS only and bumps to newer version only when the old one EOLs |
| 14:49.41 | ratrace | iirc Ubuntu installs and frequently bumps to latest non-esr |
| 14:50.06 | TuxCrazy | ok |
| 14:50.38 | fireba11 | ratrace: aye, ubuntu bumps firefox and i think libre office mid-release. not tunderbird apparently for reasons -_- |
| 14:51.07 | TuxCrazy | does the choice of init system make any difference from the point of view of a casual end user? |
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| 14:55.14 | oznt | Hi, I've been desperately trying to get GPG forwarding to work over SSH . Both of my machines have the same version of GPG and SSH. Can someone maybe help ? https://pastebin.com/mwXSjQJ2 |
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| 15:11.54 | queip | oznt: by the way, you know this is probably quite insecure idea right? |
| 15:12.30 | oznt | queip, what? Why is forwarding my gpg agent insecure? I thought it's prefered to actually copying my keys ... |
| 15:13.14 | oznt | banging my head against the keyboard ... |
| 15:13.41 | oznt | queip, I 'm happy if you explain me that, so I can stop waisting my time :-) |
| 15:13.56 | oznt | I spent the whole morning fighting gpg |
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| 15:15.35 | queip | oznt: maybe it is preferred to copying keys, but I wouldn't recommend either copying keys, or giving access to using them via agent, away from the main computer that has them |
| 15:16.28 | queip | oznt: what will that actually achieved? if target computer is malicious, and you forwarded agent into it, it can sign any message using your keys right? |
| 15:16.37 | hop | no |
| 15:17.21 | oznt | queip, I thought that was not the case. |
| 15:17.29 | oznt | hop, I hope you are right :-) |
| 15:17.52 | oznt | In any case, theory aside. In pratice getting to work is hard |
| 15:18.00 | oznt | At least for me :-( |
| 15:18.14 | hop | there's always a risk - and i'm not familiar with gpg - but the pin-entry should mitigate the risk substantially |
| 15:19.01 | queip | how it works then? |
| 15:19.13 | hop | that i can't tell you |
| 15:19.27 | queip | unless it does something smart, that is, shows ON the 1st machine the message that you requested to get signed from 2nd |
| 15:19.41 | queip | and then on 1st machine you review it and decide to sign it or not |
| 15:20.01 | hop | that's overly paranoid |
| 15:20.09 | queip | hop: uh no? |
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| 15:20.17 | queip | that is what protects you from machine 2 being malicious |
| 15:20.34 | queip | if it just will sign what ever machine 2 requests, then your key from machine 1 is compromised |
| 15:20.46 | queip | only difference seems to be that the compromise is limited in time to the connection |
| 15:21.19 | queip | so you can't steal the key and use it forever, which is less bad indeed |
| 15:23.28 | hop | it seems you can only compromise one use of the key at any time - at least ssh provides that possibility |
| 15:23.53 | hop | i.e. asking for confirmation to use the key on the client every time |
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| 15:25.37 | queip | hop: on client on machine 1? and PIN entry shows up on machine 1? |
| 15:25.59 | queip | or does pinentry shows in ssh terminal and it might be spoofed by machine 2 too |
| 15:26.14 | hop | i don't know which one is "machine 1" is in your scenarioâ¦Â the one i'm sitting in front, at any case |
| 15:26.27 | queip | machine 1 has keys, and connects into machine 2 |
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| 15:27.02 | hop | if you show me how the terminal can spoof my yubikey to me, you might have a case |
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| 15:28.28 | queip | hop: if it is some kind of text, inside ssh terminal, then it might be displayed by 2. If it fires up GUI on 1 then it's better. If you have hardware wallet attached to 1 then that's nice |
| 15:28.54 | queip | though in many uses even 1 case of signing other message then you thought you are signing now, can be catastrophic |
| 15:31.00 | hop | but you were still arguing in the general based on old advice, where an unprotected ssh-key was fowarded to untrusted machines without restrictions |
| 15:31.04 | codedmart | What is the best way to track down memory leak/consumption? I am on buster running gnome. I have had my machine running for 12 days now. Closing all applications and restarting gnome shell still shows memory usage of 22GB with no other applications running. |
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| 15:31.30 | codedmart | From a fresh restart I think it was around 1GB maybe. I can't remember for sure. |
| 15:31.31 | hop | codedmart: shows? |
| 15:31.39 | hop | where? |
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| 15:32.10 | codedmart | hop: Sorry what? |
| 15:32.25 | hop | what do you use to determine how much memory it uses? |
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| 15:34.15 | queip | hop: with the usage you described, it indeed is less bad compared to just copying the key, yea |
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| 15:43.00 | hop | oznt: can you try manually removing the remote socket? |
| 15:45.28 | oznt | hop, I removed it. And now? |
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| 15:47.44 | hop | wellâ¦Â log out and try again from start |
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| 15:50.11 | oznt | hop, there is not much to start right? ssh remote; gpg --decrypt, should work IMO. But I am getting that same error: Inappropriate ioctl for device |
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| 15:51.17 | hop | oznt: that didn't appear in your previous paste |
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| 15:52.03 | oznt | hop, you are right. I getting this or loopback failed: forbidden error |
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| 15:54.14 | hop | oznt: re-reading that paste: did you actually configure gpg-agent to provide the extra socket? |
| 15:54.20 | oznt | either way, adding GPG_TTY=$(tty) to my shell does not help |
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| 15:54.52 | oznt | hop, newer versions of gpg should have it per default as far as I understood |
| 15:55.24 | oznt | https://wiki.gnupg.org/AgentForwarding : Current versions of GnuPG create the socket by default. |
| 15:55.48 | hop | never mind what should be, is it there? |
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| 15:59.37 | oznt | hop, on the localmachine I have /run/user/1000/gnupg/S.gpg-agent.extra on the remote /run/user/1000/gnupg/S.gpg-agent (the log of ssh says too:debug1: remote forward success for: listen /run/user/1000/gnupg/S.gpg-agent:-2, connect /run/user/1000/gnupg/S.gpg-agent.extra:-2) |
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| 16:09.51 | codedmart | hop: Sorry stepped out. So I am looking at htop and the gnome system monitor. |
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| 16:11.06 | hop | codedmart: and which column are you looking at? |
| 16:13.14 | codedmart | I am looking at `Mem` on htop and `Memory` on gnome system monitor. |
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| 16:17.51 | hop | can you paste the first line of `free -m`? |
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| 16:18.19 | codedmart | `Mem: 128823 25568 66915 974 36338 101076` |
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| 16:19.52 | hop | sheesh >< |
| 16:21.08 | codedmart | I mean I know I have the space for it, but it is using a lot. |
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| 16:22.50 | hop | really, don't worry |
| 16:23.34 | hop | if you want to amuse yourself, sort the process list in htop by m_size or m_resident |
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| 16:27.45 | jelly | codedmart: you can order by RES in top, so presumably in htop as well |
| 16:27.58 | jelly | codedmart: in normal top, press capital M |
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| 16:28.33 | jelly | 20GB RAM use is possibly a bit too much for a GUI, even if it's Gnome |
| 16:28.55 | greycat | sounds like a web browser |
| 16:28.57 | hop | we haven't established that "it" is the gui |
| 16:29.20 | hop | sorting in htop is <F6>, i believe |
| 16:29.22 | jelly | web browsers are what eats the most RAM for me. |
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| 16:29.45 | hop | whatever, i see _6_ figures in the last column, i lose interest |
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| 16:30.12 | jelly | I have 24GB RAM and still chrome leaks enough for things to start swapping after a week or two |
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| 16:31.43 | hop | gemini ;) |
| 16:31.44 | Haohmaru | www in 2020 |
| 16:33.25 | JyZyXEL | i'm eager to see firefox/chromium eat up the 64 GB on my next desktop |
| 16:33.31 | jelly | chat apps are not doing much better |
| 16:34.00 | twobitsprite | just re-installed debian on an old desktop and I'm having a display issue. every couple of minutes, the display flashes something different for about a frame or so. it's hard to tell what it is, but I think it's the desktop background. any idea how to troubleshoot this? |
| 16:34.01 | jelly | considering many of those are electron (= chromium) |
| 16:34.09 | jelly | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:34.14 | hop | on this machine, fail2ban is the leader by a mile, although, indeed, irssi is runner up |
| 16:34.24 | jelly | what |
| 16:34.39 | greycat | leader in what? |
| 16:34.42 | jelly | why would f2b eat RAM |
| 16:34.44 | hop | memory usage |
| 16:35.03 | jelly | it needs a couple hashes of banned and tracked IPs |
| 16:35.16 | greycat | and irssi shouldn't be gobbling RAM either |
| 16:35.24 | jelly | I'm sorry. It's python. Dictionaries, not hashes. |
| 16:36.28 | jelly | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:37.08 | jelly | that's a 2GB VPS running most of my public-facing services |
| 16:37.09 | hop | what can i tell youâ¦Â 24M for f2b and 20M for irssiâ¦Â next one down is systemd with ~9M |
| 16:37.19 | jelly | 24M is okay. |
| 16:37.25 | hop | i didn't say it wasn't |
| 16:37.25 | jelly | 1G is less okay. |
| 16:37.57 | greycat | my irssi is just a baby but it's using 14460 RSS |
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| 16:38.25 | jelly | if you're still on i386 you can save some more MiB |
| 16:38.31 | greycat | I'd say 24 M is reasonable, yes. But if those are your *highest* memory users, you are not running a GUI of any kind. |
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| 16:38.47 | hop | i could fit my macine into codedmart's buffers 20x over :] |
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| 16:39.11 | hop | of course i'm not running a guiâ¦Â am i insane? new-fangled crap |
| 16:39.14 | hop | will never catch on |
| 16:39.18 | jelly | hop: your workload could probably run in a javascript-emulated linux VM |
| 16:40.29 | hop | my workload has higher standards than that, but yeah |
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| 16:47.10 | codedmart | OK I only have gnome running, srain irc and some terminals. free -m shows `Mem: 128823 22162 70793 520 35866 104921` and then top and capital M the first line is `27006 codedma+ 20 0 7023296 296248 117492 S 1.7 0.2 1:25.25 gnome-shell` |
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| 16:49.29 | jelly | codedmart: so everything below it uses less than 300M |
| 16:49.50 | jelly | maybe you just have lots of stuff going on |
| 16:50.05 | invizus | I followed several guides on internet how to create serial console iso, but cannot make debian 10 boot into serial console. is there some special trick? |
| 16:50.18 | invizus | it always boots into graphical mode |
| 16:50.34 | codedmart | jelly but it isn't this way when I reboot. |
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| 16:51.35 | codedmart | In htop gnome-hell is listed a ton of times and each line shows 288M in the RES column. |
| 16:51.42 | codedmart | gnome-shell not hell :). |
| 16:51.47 | hop | i would not be surprised if gnomeshell indeed had a leak. you said you restarted gnomeshell? sounds like you didn't /really/ restart it |
| 16:52.25 | jelly | codedmart: can you log off, switch to console, log on at the console, then look at your processes? |
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| 16:52.45 | codedmart | Yeah one moment. |
| 16:52.48 | codedmart | BRB |
| 16:53.04 | jelly | if logging off from the GUI fixes things, then it really was a process running there |
| 16:54.24 | jelly | if some gnome-shell or other gui-related processes persist, then that's a useful symptom (and the cause still unknown) |
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| 16:55.06 | jelly | codedmart: if latter, perhaps "don't use Gnome, pick xfce or kde or whatever" an option for you |
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| 16:56.48 | codedmart | Hmm... is my system just not releasing the memory? I logged out. Switched to console, stop gdm service then checked htop. The top line showed 188M, and was something with systemd. There were not many processes running. |
| 16:58.05 | codedmart | But it still showed 20'ish GB of memory used. |
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| 16:58.59 | hop | in which column? |
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| 17:00.13 | hop | you had some 35G cache before |
| 17:02.15 | codedmart | Yeah that is still there. the cache. |
| 17:02.47 | codedmart | Can I release that somehow? Or clear things out when I close all GUI related stuff gnome/gdm |
| 17:03.28 | hop | why would you? |
| 17:03.35 | greycat | that would be entirely dumb |
| 17:03.51 | greycat | you'd have to re-read the disk sectors to get it back next time you want it |
| 17:04.26 | hop | it's managed by the kernel and released when necessary |
| 17:05.41 | codedmart | Fair enough. I was just wondering. I am just not sure why if I close everything down why 20GB of ram is still taken up. |
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| 17:10.34 | jelly | codedmart: hard to say. On an idle GUI system with noone logged in I wouldn't expect more than around 1 GB used and even that's a stretch |
| 17:10.57 | codedmart | jelly Yes that is what it is when I login from a fresh reboot. |
| 17:11.16 | codedmart | This is on a 12 day running system. |
| 17:11.35 | codedmart | I use multiple browsers, programs, etc. |
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| 17:12.56 | jelly | codedmart: pastebin output of "ps auxk rss" |
| 17:13.20 | jelly | preferably while still logged out of GUI |
| 17:13.59 | jelly | codedmart: which kernel is running and which debian release? |
| 17:15.01 | codedmart | https://pastebin.com/XwuyxQLA, debian buster, Linux deb 5.8.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 5.8.10-1~bpo10+1 (2020-09-26) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 17:16.09 | jelly | grabs https://pastebin.com/raw/XwuyxQLA instead |
| 17:17.30 | jelly | awk '{print; t+=$6} END {print "Total RES: "t}' XwuyxQLA ... total is 6GB there |
| 17:19.40 | jelly | I see mailspring and slack are also electron apps. |
| 17:20.28 | jelly | still there's still a lot from 6 to 25 |
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| 17:21.40 | codedmart | Yeah I use some electron apps. I am just trying to understand if I close all those why still the high consumption. Or percieved consumption. |
| 17:22.06 | queip | eletron "apps" are one of signs that IT went in the wrong direction |
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| 17:23.03 | jelly | queip: well, it makes things easier for developers, and maybe paying developers well enough is a constraint on different people than people that have to buy more RAM |
| 17:24.01 | jelly | codedmart: another thing to try: what if you log out of GUI, and also restart gdm service (and X server with it)? |
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| 17:24.25 | jelly | does that make things significantly different |
| 17:24.31 | codedmart | restarting gdm restarts x right? |
| 17:27.08 | jhutchins | codedmart: Yep. |
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| 17:27.48 | codedmart | OK let me try again and run `ps auxk rss` |
| 17:27.53 | codedmart | BRB |
| 17:28.24 | jelly | running free -m will be more helpful to see if there's more free :-) |
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| 17:31.38 | codedmart | Here is free with gdm stopped: https://pastebin.com/2EbkRne2 |
| 17:32.44 | codedmart | Here is the `ps auxk rss` https://pastebin.com/v3pZ17Ck |
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| 17:39.30 | srged | I dont know what I did dragging a picture and now my sistem has huge icons. how do i reverse? (lxde) |
| 17:39.51 | invizus | Finally I figured out how to make debian10 installer to boot in serial mode. Have to edit grub.cfg in iso. |
| 17:40.26 | invizus | could it be that isolinux only works in bios mode? |
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| 17:43.25 | codedmart | jelly anything from those help explain things at all? I appreciate the insight. |
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| 17:46.49 | twobitsprite | ok, so I have this weird issue with firefox where when I'm watching youtube videos, every couple of minutes the screen will flicker and show my wallpaper for a frame or two. I've tried running ff in safe mode and it still happens. I have a GeForce GT 730. any ideas on how to troubleshoot? |
| 17:47.16 | twobitsprite | or should I ask in #firefox? |
| 17:47.37 | twobitsprite | this is a fresh debian testing install |
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| 17:51.17 | twobitsprite | also, maybe relevant, but I'm running Cinnamon |
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| 17:55.49 | twobitsprite | I guess I'll install the proprietary nvidia drivers and see if that helps |
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| 17:58.47 | karlpinc | greycat: FYI. It looks like, unless python2 gets to stay in bullseye, that the moinmoin wiki is not going to be in the next stable. This because moin2 (python3) is very likely not going to be ready. |
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| 18:04.57 | dob1 | is there any tool that can capture the region of a screen given "coordinates" ? |
| 18:06.29 | dob1 | scrot |
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| 18:15.13 | greycat | karlpinc: I'm using upstream moinmoin, not Debian's, and I'm also stuck on Debian 9 forever, because the kernel isn't new enough for buster's libc. |
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| 18:22.26 | ectospasm | sounds like you either have a FrankenDebian, or you need to learn how to use backports. |
| 18:23.52 | greycat | Me? No. it's a VPS running an OpenVZ kernel, version 2.6. Can't run Debian 10. So I'm running Debian 9. I use upstream's packages for some stuff, and I have backported nginx and libssl so I can have TLS 1.3. |
| 18:24.48 | ectospasm | Ah, that makes sense. I never liked being on an OpenVZ host, so I switched providers. |
| 18:25.05 | ectospasm | I had one provider that half the documentation was in German, so I had to drop them. |
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| 19:56.35 | shtrb | How can I know what is the ipv6 prefix the ISP give me ? |
| 19:56.57 | hop | ask? |
| 19:58.04 | shtrb | no , I'm connected. each machine got it's own ips , I just can wrap my head what is the prefix that I was given |
| 19:59.46 | shtrb | I can see that the first 64 bit are the same for each machine , but the router got a different prefix from the machines (only shares first 32 bit) , so I'm trying to understand how and what it is |
| 19:59.52 | shtrb | sorry for such a intellectually chalenged question |
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| 20:01.50 | CommunistWolf | shtrb: sometimes you get a /64 routed *via* some other IP |
| 20:02.35 | shtrb | so it's normal that my router would have a different prefix ? I thought I broke something and messed that up |
| 20:03.18 | CommunistWolf | I don't know about normal, but certainly not uncommon |
| 20:03.27 | CommunistWolf | as long as the IPs in the /64 are working, I wouldn't worry about it |
| 20:03.44 | CommunistWolf | also, cross-posting is terribly bad manners |
| 20:04.00 | shtrb | Yes, I realized I shouldn't have asked here later, sorry |
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| 20:06.42 | CommunistWolf | no harm done |
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| 20:20.03 | imMute | that sounds like how IPv6 is supposed to be handled for home networks. the router itself uses one subnet to talk to the ISP equipment. then it uses DHCP-PD to request a subnet for the LAN side. those two networks may have some common prefix, but it's not required |
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| 20:39.48 | Fayn | I'm trying to add new node (mariadb 10.5) to cluster with 10.1 nodes and one 10.2 node. It complains basically this https://jira.mariadb.org/browse/MDEV-18532?attachmentViewMode=list |
| 20:40.46 | Fayn | i tried setting binlog to none but new node still won't join a cluster (galera ip's are configured to include new node and 10.2 node only) |
| 20:41.04 | Fayn | It complains InnoDB: Upgrade after a crash is not supported. This redo log was created before MariaDB 10.2.2. |
| 20:42.17 | Fayn | already tried deleting ib_logfiles on new node but that doesn't help (galera syncs files, but then shows that error and quits) |
| 20:44.51 | tomreyn | https://mariadb.com/kb/en/innodb-versions/ |
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| 20:49.43 | Hero2Zero | Holy crap! It's nearly 4pm!! |
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| 20:52.02 | Fayn | i think it's possible to at least update all existing nodes to 10.2, but it's unclear how to solve this sync problem, in other words how to upgrade log file version in galera |
| 20:53.30 | jhutchins | Fayn: I think you need to run the upgrade script on each node with replication stopped, then resume as you would for a drop-out. |
| 20:54.06 | Fayn | did that for one node and it succeeded |
| 20:54.18 | Fayn | the issue is new nodes cannot join |
| 20:54.43 | Fayn | but i try to upgrade multiple versions one by one, maybe it works... |
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| 21:14.28 | Fayn | ok, i just read you can upgrade one node to 10.5 and then others can be upgraded to 10.5 directly, as they sync sst from that node |
| 21:14.32 | Fayn | sounds good |
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| 21:17.53 | swk | anyone know the correct setting for preseed to get the installer to not complain about a partman recipe w/ no swap defined? |
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| 21:32.53 | Fayn | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:33.06 | Fayn | i succesfully upgraded 10.1 -> 10.2 -> 10.3 |
| 21:33.23 | Fayn | but 10.4 upgraded galera-3 package to galera-4 and now it no longer can sync |
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| 22:00.44 | lifostack | hi all, i was able not so long ago to record my desktop using a hot key combo... i've forgotten what that is can someone remind me? |
| 22:01.00 | lifostack | i did not need to install any extra software there was something already installed in my debian buster distro that allowed me to just "start recording" |
| 22:02.25 | lifostack | there was a record/stop/play button that would appear in my taskbar near the icons on the right |
| 22:02.49 | sney | which desktop env? |
| 22:02.59 | lifostack | gnome |
| 22:03.21 | lifostack | ah it looks liek CTRL+ALT+SHFT+R |
| 22:03.31 | phogg | I don't know what GNOME might have set up by default but if you can't figure it out you can always bind any hotkey you like to invoking recordmydesktop |
| 22:03.49 | lifostack | its not a debian buster thing its a gnome thing |
| 22:03.53 | lifostack | apparently |
| 22:03.55 | sney | indeed |
| 22:04.29 | lifostack | thx, gnome jogged my noggin |
| 22:04.49 | lifostack | though im kde at heart, it seems like gnome has won out, for now. |
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| 22:07.26 | phogg | lifostack: don't let triceratux catch you talking like that. He'll hurt himself rusing to recommend lxqt |
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| 23:54.59 | pumpy | i hope everyone gets their choice between the pedophile and the rapist in the election |
| 23:55.51 | nkuttler | !ops ^^ |
| 23:55.51 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall, bremner: nkuttler complains about a problem (see above) |
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| 23:58.41 | abrotman | this close ... |
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