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| 02:26.37 | ryouma | this hd docking station https://www.startech.com/en-us/hdd/sdock2u313#technical-specifications suggests it won't boot without some change to the drive, but that was for windows so is it true for debian also? |
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| 02:29.03 | ryouma | my goal is to have ordinary internal drives, but external to the computer. bootable that i don't have to open a case for but can replace and move from computer to compuater. preferably everything works (booting, SMART, etc.). should i get 2 tool-less fast bootable enclosures instead? i am unclear on the difference between enclosure and docking station. |
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| 03:33.43 | rk4 | if for some reason it didn't, could throw /boot on a crappy $5 USB2 drive too |
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| 03:37.41 | ryouma | interesting fallback |
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| 06:00.10 | unixbsd | Hello, I used tilem with the ti-82. is there an emulator for the ti-92? |
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| 06:06.42 | themill | ,i tiemu |
| 06:06.44 | judd | Package tiemu (math, optional) in buster/amd64: Texas Instruments calculators emulator (without GDB). Version: 3.04~git20110801-nogdb+dfsg1-2; Size: 1622.9k; Installed: 4193k; Homepage: https://github.com/debrouxl/tiemu; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/tiemu |
| 06:15.05 | unixbsd | thank you. I will download it. Thank you and have a great day. |
| 06:15.26 | themill | I know nothing about it... good luck with it ;) |
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| 06:17.16 | unixbsd | I heard that we had a x11/libx11 ti85 emulator in potatoe in the past time. |
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| 06:19.41 | unixbsd | Can this soft still run on buster? https://i.postimg.cc/fyD3Lt8g/TI85-X11-Linux.png |
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| 06:21.36 | unixbsd | ah I found it http://project.terminus.sk/ti85emu/ |
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| 06:27.38 | unixbsd | however I have it... but it fails to compile: configure: error: *** Missing library stdc++ *** /sbin/ldconfig -p | grep stdc++ libstdc++.so.6 (libc6,hard-float) => /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/libstdc++.so.6 |
| 06:29.11 | themill | 20 year old C++... good luck with that. (A while back I looked at some C++ of mine from 1996 and found that it was a monumental effort to get it to compile with a modern g++) |
| 06:30.40 | unixbsd | Plain C is better for longevity ? |
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| 06:32.15 | themill | mostly. It was easier to (accidentally) write code that worked but relied on undocumented behaviours in C++ at the time |
| 06:33.13 | unixbsd | then c++ came in in 1990 and this was revolution... he wrote his book and nowadays all companies use it. |
| 06:33.14 | roycroft | cobol has stood the test of time best of all |
| 06:33.20 | roycroft | unfortunately, cobol coders haven't |
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| 06:33.43 | unixbsd | i never use cobol. prolog was the first multi tty system |
| 06:34.03 | unixbsd | cobol or prolog i cannot remember this one in 1985 that was multi console |
| 06:35.49 | unixbsd | the question remain why we, human, do try to keep old code to work. |
| 06:36.00 | roycroft | i've seen prolog code, but i've never learned it |
| 06:36.56 | unixbsd | This time win3.1. just came in, and prolog was too much / way console/term oriented. we started to play with desktop, on win31., and this came to be today, win power |
| 06:38.38 | roycroft | i was already using unix before dos came about |
| 06:38.46 | roycroft | cp/m on the microcomputers i worked on at the time |
| 06:39.00 | unixbsd | wow that s cool. |
| 06:39.04 | roycroft | i pretty much skipped ms dos and windows |
| 06:39.13 | unixbsd | which cp/m box you add? |
| 06:39.30 | roycroft | i don't think i missed anything :) |
| 06:40.04 | unixbsd | which machine cpm did you you ? amstrad , kai prob,..? |
| 06:40.37 | roycroft | i used a lot of the early ones - altair, imsai, various no-name s-100 bus machines |
| 06:41.38 | unixbsd | that's so cool |
| 06:41.55 | roycroft | it was so long ago i've forgotten a lot of the stuff i did then |
| 06:43.34 | unixbsd | this is because we cannot maintain a tech to run still. only C remains (but this is later). Currently I try to learn gfortran |
| 06:46.09 | unixbsd | altair 8800 is impressive box |
| 06:46.14 | unixbsd | to open it would be interesting |
| 06:46.37 | unixbsd | ahh lot of chips inside. at lleast possibel to fix with soldering if somethines is wrong. |
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| 07:07.33 | unixbsd | roycroft: this was linux at that age... Agenda VR3 impressive. |
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| 08:10.23 | CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | unixbsd, would you say the raspberry pi is the modern day commodore64? |
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| 08:35.16 | jelly | that's an apt comparison but I'm not sure r.pi has had a comparable effect of bringing computing closer to kids and adults |
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| 09:44.44 | unixbsd | the raspberry is very slow for education software |
| 09:45.20 | unixbsd | the team of kde targets QT and high library. so education with raspberry is unlickely. rather pin64 would be better approach for more opensource area. |
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| 09:58.00 | f8e4 | hi folks, how to scan a dir and delete all folders whose prefix 123 < 200; eg 123_dir1 ? |
| 09:58.37 | f8e4 | i try to do this on a remote host (which tool) ? |
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| 09:59.27 | bozh | clear |
| 09:59.50 | S3xyL1nux | rm 123* ? |
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| 10:00.36 | S3xyL1nux | use -R flag |
| 10:00.42 | f8e4 | S3xyL1nux there is a numeric comparison |
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| 10:02.58 | diogenes_ | maybe somethin like: find . -type f -name 'something' -exec <your rm command> |
| 10:03.58 | S3xyL1nux | ls | grep -o '[[:digit:]]' > file.txt ...... then read each line with head and tail and remove each ? |
| 10:04.05 | S3xyL1nux | there are many ways |
| 10:08.36 | f8e4 | i am so newb on cmds |
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| 10:09.45 | S3xyL1nux | what you mean by 123 < 200 |
| 10:10.02 | S3xyL1nux | 123 less than 200 ?! |
| 10:10.14 | f8e4 | yes :D its math, i think i do a py script |
| 10:10.26 | S3xyL1nux | 123 greater than 200 ?! |
| 10:10.43 | f8e4 | if less than x del it |
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| 10:11.52 | S3xyL1nux | you mean if x < 200 ? |
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| 10:14.33 | S3xyL1nux | dir | print -rl -- **/cap_20151023T<0-200>_* |
| 10:14.41 | S3xyL1nux | and tell me what you get |
| 10:15.03 | S3xyL1nux | dir | print -rl -- **/whatevername<0-200>_* |
| 10:15.50 | S3xyL1nux | dir | print -rl -- **/whatevername<0-200>_* > file.txt |
| 10:16.03 | S3xyL1nux | this will get you all the file you want to delete , i guess |
| 10:16.09 | john_rambo | Hi, 1st time using Debian .... I want the STABLE / NON FREE / MATE iso ... Please give me the *official* download link |
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| 10:16.16 | f8e4 | S3xyL1nux thank you |
| 10:16.20 | S3xyL1nux | then use loop with head and tail to delete them |
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| 10:16.57 | f8e4 | john_rambo welcome |
| 10:17.08 | john_rambo | f8e4, Thanks |
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| 10:21.31 | f8e4 | john_rambo 1 sec |
| 10:21.44 | john_rambo | f8e4, Okay |
| 10:22.10 | f8e4 | https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-dvd/ |
| 10:22.23 | f8e4 | download only debian-10.6.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso (got ALL the things you need) |
| 10:22.42 | f8e4 | burn it to usb/dvd and boot from it, gui will guide you |
| 10:23.07 | f8e4 | oh, NON FREE / MATE .. mmh |
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| 10:23.57 | f8e4 | john_rambo it think mate is desktop env, so it should be in the gui to choose when you install, eg xfce gnome, probabley mate too |
| 10:25.16 | john_rambo | f8e4, That DVD iso is I think a combination of multiple DEs ... I use 4G internet so cant downlaod that much ...Is there an iso specifically for MATE ? |
| 10:27.09 | f8e4 | me just newb, all i know, use icafe :D |
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| 10:30.20 | EdePopede | f8e4: https://mywiki.wooledge.org/ParsingLs # before you try to do what S3xyL1nux suggested |
| 10:33.05 | EdePopede | f8e4: i have a couple of numbered html files here, to list a subset: $ ls {002..005}*.html |
| 10:33.28 | EdePopede | still can't remember if it's bashism or POSIX but it may be a starting point |
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| 10:40.49 | tomreyn | "possible bashism in /tmp/potentialbashism line 1 (brace expansion, {a..b[..c]}should be $(seq a [c] b))" |
| 10:41.50 | tomreyn | ...according to checkbashisms after echo 'ls {002..005}*.html' >/tmp/potentialbashism |
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| 10:48.33 | f8e4 | ok simple: 1604749247 is epoch, it is full dir name; i try to delete every dir that is younger than 'date -u +%s' |
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| 10:53.48 | tomreyn | find -printf '%A@' should help there |
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| 11:02.05 | EdePopede | tomreyn: which tool is this? |
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| 11:05.45 | tomreyn | EdePopede: $ dpkg -S $(which checkbashisms) |
| 11:05.45 | tomreyn | devscripts: /usr/bin/checkbashisms |
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| 11:06.38 | tomreyn | https://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=bin/checkbashisms |
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| 11:21.47 | EdePopede | ah, devscripts. maybe i'll finally get the step done this weekend. |
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| 11:42.38 | Lope | I've got a VM that has sddm masked. But the weird thing is I started the VM now, and sddm started up, and launched KDE |
| 11:43.10 | Lope | how can sddm spontaneously run at startup when it's supposed to be masked? |
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| 11:53.16 | NetTerminalGene | Lope: i don't understand and know what it is but sddm got update. it is maybe because of this? debian.org |
| 11:54.10 | Brigo | Lope, it is not the first time a hear about a masked service starting anyway. I don't know why, though. |
| 11:54.20 | Brigo | NetTerminalGene, what? |
| 11:55.03 | NetTerminalGene | Brigo: https://www.debian.org/security/2020/dsa-4783 |
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| 11:58.27 | gour | hello, after some time spent with fedora, i've decided to return back to debian (sid probably). on fedora i tried with btrfs (prior to upgrade to fc32, but on debian i was always using xfs. now i wonder what do you think about putting / on xfs and using btrfs for home or it is better to simply stay with xfs? |
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| 12:08.27 | Lope | NetTerminalGene, Brigo okay, I'll enable and then disable then mask, for good measure. |
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| 12:42.43 | Brigo | gour, it is not a simple decission and depends mostly in personal taste and needs. |
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| 12:54.55 | gour | Brigo: well, my desktop machine has raid-1 setup, so wonder whether in that case, btrfs bring me something over xfs? i also do not need snapshots since i'm doing regular backup on external disk (rdx cartridge) |
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| 13:00.17 | Brigo | gour, i would say you answer your question pretty well :) |
| 13:00.29 | gour | :-) |
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| 13:24.07 | unsecur3d | whats up peepz |
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| 13:25.09 | EdePopede | debian's up and running. |
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| 13:34.57 | NetTerminalGene | EdePopede: do you use dns caching? |
| 13:35.38 | abrotman | Doesn't everyone, on some level? |
| 13:36.33 | joze | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:36.45 | joze | das ist sehr gut |
| 13:36.52 | joze | *louder* |
| 13:36.55 | EdePopede | *shrug* i never cared about DNS more than to redirect some annoying hosts and have others available even in case of dns failure. |
| 13:37.22 | EdePopede | joze: nennt man wochenende :P |
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| 13:55.49 | joze | huch |
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| 14:07.22 | AlwaysLivid | Hey, I'm looking to install Debian headlessly. Is there an official way of doing so that I may have missed out on? |
| 14:09.17 | abrotman | dpkg: ssh install |
| 14:09.17 | dpkg | ssh install is, like, http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch06s03#network-console (obsolete article at http://www.underhanded.org/papers/debian-conversion/remotedeb.html). See also <hd-media>, <debootstrap>. |
| 14:09.28 | AlwaysLivid | (Or is there Appreciated. |
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| 14:09.52 | AlwaysLivid | (oops, i forgot to delete my previous message that i stopped typing) |
| 14:09.54 | AlwaysLivid | thanks nevertheless! |
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| 16:41.21 | oxek | I ran apt upgrade on my debian stable system, and now whenever I run a webgl game in firefox or chromium my system stops responding. |
| 16:41.48 | oxek | I was previously using the backported 5.7 kernel, and it got upgraded to 5.8, however selecting 5.7 in grub does not fix the issue |
| 16:42.52 | oxek | I see errors like this in dmesg: nouveau 0000:01:00.0: firmware: failed to load nouveau/nv84_xuc00f (-2) |
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| 16:44.24 | oxek | I do have firmware-linux, firmware-linux-free, firmware-linux-nonfree installed |
| 16:44.42 | oxek | and they are the backports versions |
| 16:44.51 | Lope | I've got a spare network interface on a PC that's setup as "auto eth0 \n allow-hotplug eth0 \n iface eth0 inet dhcp" which is all nice and good. But it delays the boot process when I start the PC with a network cable unplugged from that interface. |
| 16:45.05 | Lope | Is it possible to tell it to not wait or whatever if it's unplugged? |
| 16:45.05 | oxek | also firmware-misc-nonfree is installed too |
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| 17:22.26 | Brigo | oxek, i think is graphic car related, maybe nvidia-driver not compiled after the kernel upgrade? |
| 17:22.41 | Somelauw | Is there a builtin way (like use-alternatives) to make python a symlink to python3? |
| 17:24.04 | oxek | Brigo: I'm using nouveau driver not nvidia drivers, so no compilation should be required |
| 17:24.30 | oxek | I really should not have ran apt upgrade |
| 17:24.31 | Somelauw | i already did sudo apt remove python2 and it still exists |
| 17:24.38 | oxek | never run apt upgrade on a working system... |
| 17:25.12 | Brigo | oxek, can you check /var/log/Xorg.0.log for errors? they should start with (EE) |
| 17:26.34 | Somelauw | ok, i did it, remove python2-minimal python2-stdlib and python2.7 too and you're rid of it forever |
| 17:27.12 | oxek | this is so weird, "(EE) Failed to load module "nv" (module does not exist, 0)" |
| 17:27.24 | oxek | the system thinks nvidia proprietary drivers are installed but they are not |
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| 17:31.48 | Brigo | oxek, no, nv is not the propietary, the propietary is nvidia (i am using it). |
| 17:31.53 | Brigo | https://www.x.org/releases/current/doc/man/man4/nv.4.xhtml |
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| 17:39.13 | oxek | I fixed the firmware loading issue now, but the system still freezes |
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| 17:50.32 | Brigo | oxek, any helpfull information from logs? |
| 17:50.56 | oxek | the only thing I can see in dmesg before system freeze is CE: hpet increased min_delta_ns to 152745 nsec |
| 17:53.18 | Brigo | oxek, are you using nouveau with kms? |
| 17:53.37 | oxek | I don't know |
| 17:53.52 | oxek | I did not do anything special with this system, just installed debian |
| 17:54.03 | oxek | did not install any proprietary drivers nor do any system configuration |
| 17:54.11 | oxek | so whichever is default |
| 17:54.38 | Brigo | do you have that error ones or several times eve before the freeze? |
| 17:54.50 | oxek | several times, with progressively longer nsec |
| 17:55.03 | Brigo | in the Xorg.0.log you can see what driver Xorg is using. |
| 17:55.53 | Brigo | oxek, is a very new graphic card? |
| 17:55.59 | oxek | very old |
| 17:56.04 | oxek | 10 years |
| 17:57.24 | oxek | I don't get it, I get messages like "(II) NVIDIA Unified Driver for all Supported NVIDIA GPUs" in the xorg log |
| 17:57.26 | Brigo | you can check last logs for messages before freezings, like Xorg.1.org or syslog |
| 17:57.40 | oxek | how can I check that nvidia driver is really not in use? |
| 17:57.44 | Brigo | oxek, pasteit if you want. |
| 18:02.00 | oxek | I think I'll just reinstall |
| 18:02.08 | oxek | will be simpler than debugging |
| 18:02.20 | oxek | and at least it will be a fresh system instead of system where apt upgrade was ever run |
| 18:02.34 | alex11 | yeah but the next time you do the upgrade... |
| 18:02.44 | oxek | I just won't upgrade the system |
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| 18:03.08 | oxek | I thought it would be safe on debian, but it's a system like every other - upgrades break working stuff |
| 18:03.16 | oxek | hence never upgrade unless something is broken |
| 18:04.10 | alex11 | weeeell... |
| 18:04.11 | oxek | it's not debians fault of course, all systems are like that |
| 18:04.34 | Brigo | oxek, it is very rare that a stable upgrade brakes a system in debian. |
| 18:04.45 | oxek | and security issues are overblown - in my experience I've never been victim of a security issue, but have been a victim of system upgrades breaking stuff |
| 18:04.52 | Brigo | oxek, maybe it is there is not perfect system. |
| 18:05.06 | oxek | computers were a mistake |
| 18:05.07 | Brigo | oxek, there you have a point |
| 18:05.08 | Zathras | maybe the move from xorg to wayland is troublesome here? |
| 18:05.20 | oxek | Zathras: it's an nvidia system, wayland does not work |
| 18:05.35 | Zathras | ah yeah. closed source crap |
| 18:05.47 | oxek | even the open source nouveau stuff does not work with wayland |
| 18:05.58 | Brigo | oxek, if you using nouveau maybe you just need to active kms in the bios. |
| 18:06.08 | oxek | in the system bios? |
| 18:06.20 | oxek | never seen an option like that in any system bios |
| 18:06.43 | oxek | and for the video bios, there are no options at all, it's just a blob |
| 18:07.17 | Zathras | a new videocard is 30-50 USD/Euro? Saves you some time. |
| 18:07.32 | oxek | a 30-50 any currency I do not have |
| 18:07.41 | Zathras | with increased performance and a more future proof path |
| 18:07.46 | oxek | that's why I use 10 yo hardware |
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| 18:08.13 | oxek | if I had money, I'd first buy more food, clothing, better housing, and only then upgrade hardware |
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| 18:09.02 | oxek | the only thing I have lots of is time |
| 18:09.08 | Zathras | regarding your security remark: I would cancel your insurance against a house burned down if you have never had that... |
| 18:09.20 | diogenes_ | oxek, are you in India? |
| 18:09.30 | oxek | Zathras: don't have any insurance currently, not even medical |
| 18:09.50 | JyZyXEL | oxek: or do you.. dun dundunnnnn |
| 18:10.26 | oxek | in any case, thank you for trying to help, I learned how to fix the firmware loading issue if it happens again, and for this main issue I'll reinstall and see if it happens again |
| 18:10.34 | oxek | starting from a very clean slate will be easier to debug |
| 18:12.15 | Brigo | oxek, it is your call, but it wouldn't suprise me if you end up in the same spot. maybe no, hopfully. |
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| 18:36.31 | oft_gegong | do you guys remember back in Debian 3.0 when you had to manually compile your kernel? |
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| 18:36.39 | oft_gegong | to install Debian |
| 18:37.32 | alex11 | i haven't been using debian that long but it's nice to no longer need to do that |
| 18:37.33 | Brigo | i don't remember if it was a must. What was debian 3.0? slinky? |
| 18:37.50 | alex11 | woody |
| 18:38.07 | Brigo | slinky 4 and potato 5? |
| 18:38.42 | alex11 | slink was 2.1; 4 is etch, 5 is lenny |
| 18:39.21 | Brigo | I remember i started with a slink booting from a cd and soon after i installed potato in the hard disk. |
| 18:39.39 | Brigo | potato was 2.2, just checked |
| 18:40.36 | jmcnaught | !release names |
| 18:40.36 | dpkg | Named after "Toy Story" characters. Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06), Etch(4.0; 2007-04-08), Lenny(5.0; 2009-02-14), Squeeze(6.0; 2011-02-06), Wheezy(7; 2013-05-04), Jessie(8; 2015-04-25), Stretch (9; 2017-06-17), Buster (10; 2019-07-06). Next: Bullseye. http://deb.li/it56U |
| 18:41.09 | oft_gegong | holy cow my whole life is spilled onto this table |
| 18:41.17 | Brigo | I do remember though that compiling kernel was the usual thing then, i think there even weren't modules yet, so you have to compile what you want carefully so you have support for every thing and and the kernel was still small |
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| 18:46.47 | Dotz0cat_ | I am having trouble getting something packaged. It is because I have no idea how to do the dependencies on debian. here is the control file https://pastebin.com/LuZEVPT1 |
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| 18:49.53 | alex11 | hey Dotz0cat_, if you don't get any answers here you can try #debian-mentors on oftc |
| 18:50.09 | Brigo | dpkg, tell Dotz0cat_ about mentors |
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| 18:50.58 | bryanpedini | msg dpkg guidelines |
| 18:51.06 | bryanpedini | oops... |
| 18:55.33 | bryanpedini | Okay, read them all |
| 18:55.34 | bryanpedini | I can't seem to be able to connect my mini PC to WiFi since I installed Debian 10.6.0 an hour ago or so, I manually installed "realtek-firmware", "wireless-tools" and "wpasupplicant" |
| 18:56.52 | bryanpedini | then tried 1. /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf (with generated psk from wpa_passphrase and also plain password), 2. wpa_supplicant from CLI, 3. with and without the network interface configured with dhcp in /etc/network/interfaces and finally 4. directives "wpa-ssid" and "wpa-psk" in /etc/network/interfaces and ifup <interface> from CLI |
| 18:57.26 | bryanpedini | (also tried WPS with wpa_cli wps_pbc) |
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| 19:01.01 | Dotz0cat_ | about the mentors chanel, all I see on oftc is debian-mentors-es |
| 19:01.13 | bryanpedini | wpa_cli wps_pbc says "ok" but does nothing, wpa_supplicant from systemd doesn't produce any error in either journalctl nor systemctl status, wpa_supplicant from CLI goes on error CTRL-EVENT-DISCONNECTED bssid=xx:xx reason=3 locally_generated=1, after telling "Authentication with xx:xx:xx timed out" |
| 19:02.01 | bryanpedini | and that should sum it up all... any ideas are very welcome! Tried first entire page of Google results (custom page lenght to 50) and still aren't able to connect to WiFi |
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| 19:02.50 | jmcnaught | Dotz0cat_: are you trying to get your package into Debian? |
| 19:03.34 | Dotz0cat_ | no trying to get help with the control file first |
| 19:03.39 | bryanpedini | (side note: I just installed Debian 10.6.0, replacing Ubuntu Desktop 18.04 LTS, and I was able to connect there, but I didn't want a desktop version OS on a headless machine, so that's why) |
| 19:04.03 | jmcnaught | Dotz0cat_: I would try #packaging on OFTC then, #debian-mentors is more about getting packages into Debian. |
| 19:05.28 | Dotz0cat_ | ok |
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| 19:19.45 | H-var | so if I have an ntfs partition on my debian, then this partition is vulnerable? |
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| 19:24.18 | TrashZomb | Hello everybody, I come to say that there may be a problem with recordMyDesktop. gtk-recordmydesktop doesn't exist anymore, and using it in the console fail to see "Error while opening/configuring soundcard hw:0,0". Have you met the same problem? |
| 19:24.51 | unixbsd | In tilem, is it possible to have a classic ti82 like this one ? https://i.postimg.cc/2j1S1rD2/ebay-1600-1600-jpeg.png |
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| 19:46.14 | Zathras | TrashZomb, seems there is little activity on the package after 2012 (8 years). The config problem is probably a user issue |
| 19:46.45 | Zathras | or rather in the gtk frontend: https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/gtk-recordmydesktop |
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| 19:49.39 | TrashZomb | I see... I have to find a new recorder... it worked perfectly (for my use) though. :( |
| 19:50.06 | TrashZomb | thank you for your answer Zathras |
| 19:51.34 | Zathras | TrashZomb, the recorder itself is still maintained in Debian so it seems |
| 19:51.57 | Zathras | https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=recordmydesktop |
| 19:53.13 | Zathras | or I should say: again : https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/recordmydesktop |
| 19:54.49 | TrashZomb | In fact it work with the console but with a sound problem. I have been given this which seems in good way. I'll test it more. recordmydesktop --device pulse |
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| 19:56.24 | TrashZomb | I have to go, thank you! :) |
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| 20:03.58 | scakko | changing the background from gnome-tweaks only changes lock screen |
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| 20:04.54 | scakko | editing /etc/gdm3/greeter.dconf-defaults does not work... |
| 20:06.00 | scakko | i've managed to remove the logo by editing greeter.dconf-defaults, but it seems to ignore the background configuration |
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| 20:26.12 | jhutchins | scakko: You should use the full explicit path in crontabs. |
| 20:27.42 | jhutchins | epictetus2: You should use the full explicit path to what you're calling in crontabs. It's not like you have to type it out every time. |
| 20:27.44 | scakko | jhutchins: you meant epictetus2? |
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| 20:50.10 | Brigo | ede |
| 20:50.10 | epictetus2 | jhutchins: yeah but if I do PATH="/home/epic/bin" i get errors like /bin/sh: 1: dirname: not found |
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| 20:56.58 | hop | of course |
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| 21:08.07 | jhutchins | Don't do a path at all. When you want to run something from /home/epic/bin, run /home/epic/bin/<something> |
| 21:08.45 | jhutchins | epictetus2: Don't do a path at all. When you want to run something from /home/epic/bin, run /home/epic/bin/<something> |
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| 21:10.05 | jhutchins | epictetus2: Same rule for scripts. Don't rely on an unpredictable environment. |
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| 21:25.28 | epictetus2 | jhutchins: i see. thanks |
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| 22:02.07 | auk | E: The repository 'https://deb.debian.org/debian-security bullseye/updates Release' does not have a Release file. |
| 22:02.18 | auk | ^ not sure why i'm getting this error/how to fix? |
| 22:02.34 | alex11 | because it won't exist until bullseye is released |
| 22:02.34 | alex11 | AFAIK |
| 22:05.38 | auk | ah, i think i fixed it |
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| 22:05.44 | auk | they changed the naming conventions |
| 22:06.07 | Big_Aziz | Hi |
| 22:06.10 | auk | https://www.reddit.com/r/debian/comments/ca2fvn/debian_testing_fails_to_upgrade_now/? |
| 22:06.40 | H-var | Aziz, LIGHT!!! |
| 22:07.44 | dnull | Nice. |
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| 22:09.03 | auk | hi Big_Aziz |
| 22:09.12 | auk | follow up to my prev q.. |
| 22:09.31 | auk | is it recommended to reboot between `upgrade` and `dist-upgrade`? |
| 22:09.37 | auk | (when doing major version upgrades) |
| 22:10.13 | Brigo | auk, not , at least the kernel got upgrade, and even then. |
| 22:11.06 | auk | Brigo, ok cool |
| 22:11.07 | auk | thx |
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| 22:12.11 | jmcnaught | auk: there is a checkrestart command in the debian-goodies package that tells you about stuff that needs to be restarted. There are also the needrestart and needrestart-session packages. |
| 22:12.50 | alex11 | needrestart hooks into apt and is a fork of checkrestart so most users will likely prefer that |
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| 22:13.00 | auk | jmcnaught, are you saying i'll get warnings/instructions from apt? or do i need to install those tools manually |
| 22:13.25 | jmcnaught | auk: they're not installed automatically. |
| 22:13.56 | auk | jmcnaught, alex11 ok so i'd be recommended to do `apt install needrestart` |
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| 22:14.04 | alex11 | yes |
| 22:14.07 | jmcnaught | auk: also for testing support you are better off on irc.oftc.net in #debian-next (the testing channel) |
| 22:14.10 | auk | cool |
| 22:14.14 | auk | jmcnaught, ahah thanks |
| 22:14.25 | auk | oh |
| 22:14.30 | alex11 | i would have no idea what services to restart if not for needrestart |
| 22:14.38 | auk | i dont think oftc will let me on right now with vpn |
| 22:14.41 | alex11 | i wish it would do that stuff automatically but alas |
| 22:14.42 | auk | :/ |
| 22:15.28 | auk | alex11, yeah that would be nice |
| 22:15.50 | auk | at least i'm doing this in a vm |
| 22:16.03 | auk | not like 10 years ago where i had to just cross my fingers and hope |
| 22:17.46 | alex11 | i'm sure a large % of linux users run apt upgrade and see that some stuff got updated and if it doesn't prompt them to do anything nothing gets restarted |
| 22:18.19 | auk | i mean it does auto restarts for anything it can right |
| 22:18.26 | alex11 | i don't think so |
| 22:18.32 | alex11 | i wonder if the bsd model is more sane |
| 22:18.34 | auk | any normal services, above kernel etc |
| 22:18.38 | auk | huh |
| 22:18.43 | alex11 | it doesn't |
| 22:18.43 | auk | i thought it did auto restarts |
| 22:18.49 | esplinter | no it allways aks for permission |
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| 22:18.52 | auk | pretty sure dnf does, for high-level services |
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| 22:19.06 | alex11 | without needrestart i don't think it ever asks |
| 22:19.11 | auk | i see |
| 22:19.14 | alex11 | it just tells you 'hey you updated the kernel, reboot' |
| 22:19.17 | alex11 | but that's it |
| 22:19.22 | auk | aye |
| 22:19.56 | auk | package managers are amazing but also so frustrating |
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| 22:23.31 | auk | so i already started `upgrade`, if i install needrestart *after*, is it going to tell me anything about the upgrades i just did? |
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| 22:25.21 | auk | ok... better question.. is there any *harm* in rebooting between upgrade and dist-upgrade? |
| 22:25.33 | Brigo | auk, you can't install anything during an upgrade. |
| 22:25.42 | auk | i'm leaning towards extra reboots just to be on the safe side |
| 22:25.43 | Brigo | auk, there is no harm |
| 22:25.54 | auk | Brigo, right i meant installing it after |
| 22:25.59 | auk | Brigo, cool thanks |
| 22:26.08 | auk | gonna restart it |
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| 22:35.45 | hyiltiz | Been getting `curl: (7) Coulnd't connect to server` error for any link even though wget works. Any idea? |
| 22:36.13 | alex11 | i wonder if it's a certificate issue |
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| 22:36.52 | hyiltiz | yeah that is what I am wondering too but `openssl verify /etc/ssl/cert.pem` says "OK" |
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| 22:40.55 | alex11 | i'm out of my depth here but have you tried doing it with strace? |
| 22:41.14 | hyiltiz | sure will try |
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| 22:44.34 | hop | error 7 is a connection error, no ssl involved |
| 22:44.56 | hop | are you trying curl and wget from the same machine? |
| 22:45.00 | hyiltiz | hmm so how can wget work but not curl? (no proxy anywhere nor vpn) |
| 22:45.03 | hyiltiz | same machines |
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| 22:46.30 | hyiltiz | same machine, no machines |
| 22:48.33 | hop | try the ip directly instead of a hostname, to rule out dns |
| 22:49.02 | hop | can you give us the actual address? |
| 22:49.56 | hyiltiz-M | https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/giflib-5.2.1.catalina.bottle.tar.gz |
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| 22:51.29 | hyiltiz-M | https://paste.debian.net/1170404/ curl vs wget |
| 22:52.08 | hop | curl -v https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/giflib-5.2.1.catalina.bottle.tar.gz |
| 22:52.20 | hyiltiz-M | yeah see that paste |
| 22:52.30 | hop | sorry, my window got stuck |
| 22:52.37 | hyiltiz-M | no worries |
| 22:53.36 | hop | i get completely different ips |
| 22:53.41 | hyiltiz-M | including ping: https://paste.debian.net/1170408/ |
| 22:53.44 | hop | some cdn, porbably |
| 22:53.53 | hyiltiz-M | yeah ping is behaving differently |
| 22:54.41 | hop | aws ec2 |
| 22:54.48 | hop | i'd blame the other end and move on |
| 22:55.10 | hyiltiz-M | github user content: https://paste.debian.net/1170410/ |
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| 22:55.40 | [sr] | hi, i saw a command that i forgot to save, that would give me the installed php packages, like "php-all" or so |
| 22:56.04 | [sr] | it would give all php packages installed, like: php7.4-mysql php7.4-gd |
| 22:56.06 | [sr] | and so on |
| 22:56.17 | [sr] | anyone knows the command name? |
| 22:56.23 | [sr] | forgot to note it :( |
| 22:56.24 | hyiltiz-M | cdimage.debian.org https://paste.debian.net/1170413/ |
| 22:56.37 | hyiltiz-M | We cannot blame debian.org though, no? |
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| 22:57.03 | hop | hyiltiz-M: ah, that's something different, then. you should have told us earlier (: |
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| 22:57.26 | hop | reinstall curl and libcurl |
| 22:57.31 | hyiltiz-M | haha sorry it is just the curl is broken, regardless of remote |
| 22:57.37 | hyiltiz-M | hmm good idea |
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| 22:58.12 | hop | [sr]: `dpkg -l` lists all installed packages. you can grep that |
| 22:58.30 | hop | otherwise you'll have to specify what you mean by "installed" |
| 22:58.45 | [sr] | hop: thanks, but it was a command that gave all the installed in one line |
| 22:58.59 | [sr] | i could do a: apt-get install `php-show-all-installed` |
| 22:59.02 | [sr] | something like this |
| 22:59.03 | hop | .oO(seriously?) |
| 22:59.41 | [sr] | yes |
| 23:02.07 | RoyK | [sr]: dpkg -l | grep php |
| 23:02.12 | RoyK | perhaps? |
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| 23:03.11 | [sr] | no, |
| 23:03.19 | RoyK | [sr]: you probably do *not* want to install all php modules available |
| 23:03.25 | [sr] | it was a single command build in |
| 23:03.33 | [sr] | its not all |
| 23:03.40 | RoyK | just install those you need,ok |
| 23:03.42 | RoyK | ? |
| 23:03.43 | [sr] | it just displayed the installed one's |
| 23:04.11 | RoyK | [sr]: what'll you be using php for on this? |
| 23:04.26 | [sr] | dont worry |
| 23:04.30 | [sr] | everything's set up |
| 23:04.37 | [sr] | i just want to remember the command name |
| 23:04.38 | [sr] | grr |
| 23:04.50 | RoyK | just 'apt install \*php\*' ? ;) |
| 23:05.01 | RoyK | that'd be a rather nice chaos |
| 23:05.04 | hop | [sr]: are you sure this wasn't some composer option or something? |
| 23:05.33 | [sr] | no |
| 23:05.44 | [sr] | nevermind |
| 23:05.52 | [sr] | going to sleep, thanks anyway :P |
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| 23:08.04 | pinningCat | how can i check i use cuda driver? |
| 23:10.40 | hyiltiz-M | reinstalling curl and libcurl didnt help |
| 23:11.01 | hyiltiz-M | but I noticed that if I compile curl myself and run that one, it works |
| 23:11.18 | hyiltiz-M | apparently my firewall was blocking `/usr/bin/curl` ... |
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| 23:16.43 | alex11 | lol |
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| 23:35.24 | hop | you did mention proxy and vpn, so i ruled out firewall as well⦠|
| 23:35.55 | hop | what are you using? |
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