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| 00:04.49 | jak2000 | how ti check if have problems of memoy on my server? |
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| 00:06.46 | rk4 | start with dmesg |
| 00:06.57 | rk4 | do you have registered or ecc memory? |
| 00:07.31 | rk4 | judging by your question it seems you have extensive corruption |
| 00:07.34 | rk4 | nods |
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| 00:52.06 | shibboleth | say i know about a bug in foo1.3, can i tell apt-get to install foo1.2 instead during and apt-get upgrade? |
| 00:52.17 | shibboleth | an apt-get upgrade even |
| 00:53.18 | alex11 | you can but usually multiple versions of a program aren't in the repository |
| 00:53.20 | epsilon | one possibility is to install 1.2 manually and mark it as hold, see apt-mark |
| 00:53.51 | shibboleth | oh, it's a third.party repo, both packs are there |
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| 00:54.34 | shibboleth | so what's the regular incantation? |
| 00:57.27 | epsilon | there is no regular way... other way to do it apt and policy, just google how to install specific version via apt and keep it unupgraded |
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| 01:08.16 | jak2000 | rk4 are you there? |
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| 01:13.40 | jak2000 | https://paste.debian.net/1170434/ here the error |
| 01:18.48 | epsilon | jak2000, any red lines? |
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| 01:24.58 | jak2000 | epsilon: 0.992062] megaraid_sas 0000:03:00.0: Init cmd return status SUCCESS for SCSI host 0 |
| 01:25.24 | jak2000 | some red lines |
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| 01:27.05 | jak2000 | https://postimg.cc/Cd83P1t5 |
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| 01:28.26 | jak2000 | and |
| 01:28.26 | jak2000 | https://postimg.cc/jw7FFgMm |
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| 01:36.16 | codebam | hey so I'm trying to enable this launchpad ppa but when I add it the key isn't verifying. would someone be able to help me? https://0x0.st/inN3.txt |
| 01:36.37 | epsilon | jak2000: ok... and you have applications or system itfself randomly crashing? |
| 01:38.46 | jmcnaught | codebam: it looks like you followed the instructions for Ubuntu instead of the ones for Debian. |
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| 01:39.08 | codebam | jmcnaught: oh um. where do I see the one's for debian? |
| 01:39.25 | codebam | oh I see |
| 01:39.39 | jmcnaught | codebam: you should remove the ubuntu hirsute repo that you added first. |
| 01:40.03 | jmcnaught | codebam: the instructions were further down the same page that you linked in your paste. |
| 01:41.23 | codebam | oh okay I'm checking. thank you |
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| 01:42.22 | codebam | jmcnaught: do you mean https://geti2p.net/en/download/debian? |
| 01:42.36 | codebam | oh never mind I found it |
| 01:42.38 | codebam | thank you |
| 01:42.48 | jak2000 | epsilon its a proxmox sever, sometimes (every week) crash the VMs |
| 01:43.09 | jmcnaught | codebam: https://geti2p.net/en/download/debian#debian |
| 01:43.22 | codebam | is 10 buster? |
| 01:43.25 | jmcnaught | yes |
| 01:43.30 | codebam | okay cool |
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| 01:46.34 | codebam | in step 4 they say to check the fingerprint, but how do I know if it's the correct fingerprint? |
| 01:48.50 | hop | isn't that quite the conundrum |
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| 02:39.14 | themill | It's only there to help with upgrades and normally has the word "transitional" in there |
| 02:40.39 | YWH_1 | TU |
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| 04:18.49 | Notturno | Buongiorno |
| 04:19.36 | Notturno | C'è nessuno? |
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| 04:21.09 | jadax | hi, I ssh -X from local PC to remote PC and open up firefox / youtube; I get video screen locally but no audio, I want audio on remote PC. How do I go about it? |
| 04:23.39 | themill | you should be able to forward pulseaudio over your ssh connection too; it will be a bit faffy to set up |
| 04:24.02 | jadax | but do I need to forward anything? firefox & youtube already runs on remote PC |
| 04:24.09 | jadax | I just want sound to be outputted there, on the remote PC |
| 04:24.22 | jadax | all I want on local is control + video |
| 04:24.32 | jadax | control as in what I choose to play |
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| 04:42.26 | allan_wind | For a router with two interfaces, should /etc/network/interfaces have a gateway for both interfaces or only the wan side (default gw)? |
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| 04:56.50 | epsilon | allan_wind: only on WAN interface |
| 04:58.09 | epsilon | oh wait, misread the question, you need default gateway on all LAN interfaces |
| 04:59.15 | allan_wind | epictetus2: hmm.... how do I tell what the default gw is (i.e. route add default gw ...)? |
| 04:59.51 | allan_wind | epsilon: sorry, wrong auto-complete...obviously meant for you |
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| 05:02.24 | epsilon | oh wait I talk bulls***, sorry i should go sleep soon. You have default gateway on WAN interface. You provide to the clients LAN IP incl the router as gateway, but on LAN interface of router you have no default route set |
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| 05:04.10 | allan_wind | epsilon: cool, sleep well |
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| 05:28.28 | budlight | hello |
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| 06:48.23 | alexrelis[m] | I accidentally formatted my /boot partition which was stored on a USB flash drive. So as a result I booted into a live CD, created a new /boot partition on my flash drive, reinstalled grub, updated initramfs, and generated a grub.cfg. But upon reboot I'm stuck in a initramfs busybox prompt. |
| 06:49.09 | alexrelis[m] | I get this error message: |
| 06:49.09 | alexrelis[m] | Give up waiting for root file system device. Common problems: |
| 06:49.09 | alexrelis[m] | -Boot arcs (cat /proc/cmdline) |
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| 06:49.48 | alexrelis[m] | arcs* |
| 06:49.59 | alexrelis[m] | args* |
| 06:51.26 | diogenes_ | alexrelis[m], checked fstab UUIDs? |
| 06:51.39 | alexrelis[m] | Alert! UUID=...... does not exist. |
| 06:56.58 | CrystalMath | alexrelis[m]: here neither! |
| 06:57.07 | CrystalMath | i use the good old fashioned /dev/sdX |
| 07:02.12 | alexrelis[m] | [diogenes_](https://matrix.to/#/@freenode_diogenes_:matrix.org): I did. And what's interesting is that the initramfs " UUID=.... does not exist message" doesn't correspond to any UUIDs in my fstab. |
| 07:02.45 | alexrelis[m] | I changed my fstab uuid for /boot accordingly. Is there any other location that I have to change the UUID? |
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| 07:06.17 | alexrelis[m] | I would also like to mention that when I run update-initramfs -u, I get an error that says: The initramfs image may not contain cryptsetup binaries nor crypto modules. |
| 07:07.12 | alexrelis[m] | I happen to use encryption, so could this be a potential issue? |
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| 07:15.05 | diogenes_ | alexrelis[m], maybe your root= linux line in grub points at the wrong UUID. |
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| 07:33.43 | shtrb | What proper akonadi/mariahdb export pipeline should I be doing , to backup and extract my akonadi to something else (if possible without needing to redownload all my info from the servers) ? |
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| 08:02.50 | wr | how can i reinstall alsa on debian? |
| 08:03.08 | nkuttler | wr: why do you want to do that? |
| 08:04.28 | wr | nkuttler, xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin sound icon issues, i think may have messed something when i try to fix |
| 08:05.25 | nkuttler | wr: did you modify config files? |
| 08:05.45 | wr | nkuttler, get icon always pumping up and mutes sound or volume changes, generally when i killall -9 pulseaudio, sound comes back |
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| 08:07.06 | nkuttler | wr: well, apt reinstall <package> |
| 08:07.18 | wr | nkuttler, no, but i removed pulseaudio and pulse folder, so.... |
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| 08:07.55 | wr | nkuttler, i did some reinstall but still have same issue |
| 08:10.55 | wr | nkuttler, i get this sound icon https://i.stack.imgur.com/uGMdt.png always showing up, my sound or gets muted or i see the volume bar change |
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| 08:13.36 | nkuttler | wr: if you deleted config files, apt purge <package>, and then apt install <package> |
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| 08:15.09 | nkuttler | !confmiss |
| 08:15.09 | dpkg | You have to especially tell the packaging system to reinstall config files because when they are gone, it is assumed that you want them to stay deleted. "aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall $packagename" will restore them (man dpkg for details). If the package uses <ucf> for config file management, ask me about <ucf confmiss>. |
| 08:15.15 | nkuttler | wr: see also ^^ |
| 08:15.37 | nkuttler | this way you don't have to purge first |
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| 08:18.28 | wr | nkuttler, on alsa, what packages should be in the debian? |
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| 08:29.13 | nkuttler | wr: apt list --installed | grep alsa |
| 08:30.10 | wr | nkuttler, i have alsa-oss alsa-utils and gstreamer1.0-alsa |
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| 08:39.46 | wr | nkuttler, do i miss many more? |
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| 09:25.57 | jelly | wr: which folders did you erase, something in /etc or something in your home dir? |
| 09:26.15 | jelly | if it's just the latter then there's no need to reinstall things |
| 09:26.49 | wr | jelly, etc none |
| 09:27.28 | jelly | non in etc? THen you just need to (re)configure pulse again |
| 09:27.58 | wr | jelly, after i remove pulseaudio just /home/user/.config/pulse/ |
| 09:29.18 | jelly | wr: okay, that's less painful then. Run "pactl exit", open pavucontrol, start an app that plays some sounds and use pavucontrol to configure your output devices and your apps |
| 09:29.51 | jelly | pactl exit just to make sure no old config is left over |
| 09:30.29 | wr | jelly, my main problem was that i was getting the audio muted/off and volume bar changed on the sound warning msg https://i.stack.imgur.com/uGMdt.png and it was showing up too much |
| 09:31.12 | jelly | on its own? |
| 09:31.29 | jelly | without you pressing any audio related keys? |
| 09:31.39 | wr | yes |
| 09:31.53 | jelly | do you have a wireless keyboard someplace and someone else toying with it? :-) |
| 09:32.05 | wr | this thing was acting weird |
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| 09:32.41 | wr | jelly, no one touches my keyboard, guaranteed |
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| 09:33.50 | wr | jelly, but now your talking that, i have a mute button on the keyboard, what if, the keyboard was acting weird.... hmmm |
| 09:34.43 | shtrb | Does anyone remember if the pine64 was running a debian dist (what was presented in debconf20), and if so what was the name ? |
| 09:35.45 | jelly | wr: very easy to plug in a tiny usb keyboard wireless controller into a coworker / roommate / sibling system and mess with them... just sayin' |
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| 09:37.35 | wr | jelly, i don't believe it has anything to do with the keyboard, but.. i have unplugged now it now and checked it and batteries |
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| 09:40.13 | shtrb | wr, broken keyboard (which sends mute function) could do the same thing |
| 09:40.44 | jelly | wr: is this a laptop btw? Maybe it's acpi is weird and the builtin keyboard is sending events |
| 09:40.49 | jelly | its* |
| 09:40.53 | wr | shtrb, yes |
| 09:41.06 | wr | jelly, no, desktop pc |
| 09:41.45 | jelly | okay, that's out then |
| 09:43.02 | wr | jelly, maybe you said that as a joke, but i could be the keyboard, i also reinstalled gstreamer and some packages, so far warning sound pop-up icon is not showing up |
| 09:43.09 | wr | *it |
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| 09:44.55 | wr | jelly, maybe something with keyboard and xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin on panel was getting ON |
| 09:45.18 | jelly | wr: I've seen a keyboard with old batteries be laggy and then send lots of presses all at a time, but I guess it's possible it might also send something interpreted as wrong keys |
| 09:46.21 | wr | jelly, what alsa packages should i have in a new installed Debian? |
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| 09:47.39 | simplicius | Hello |
| 09:47.59 | simplicius | I need an OCR program that grabs text from the screen much like a screenshot tool |
| 09:49.12 | wr | simplicius, what debian version you use? |
| 09:49.27 | wr | simplicius, https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=default§ion=all&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=ocr |
| 09:49.57 | simplicius | 4.19.0-6-amd64 |
| 09:50.28 | jelly | simplicius: dunno if there's a single tool for that, and OCR-only tools like tesseract work better with black text on white background than the inverse |
| 09:51.15 | jelly | that said I've had good results manually piping screenshots from customers or coworkers to it |
| 09:52.22 | wr | simplicius, seen https://www.gnu.org/software/ocrad/ http://jocr.sourceforge.net/ have no idea if they do what you want |
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| 09:54.11 | simplicius | I need something that work directly on the screen rather than files |
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| 09:55.26 | Bushmaster | Hello folks, seeking some input here, if anyone care to reply |
| 09:56.17 | jelly | !ask |
| 09:56.17 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/ See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 10:00.07 | shtrb | simplicius, you might wish to work with the framebuffer |
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| 10:00.30 | shtrb | or better , to take screenshot , but then process it with OCR |
| 10:01.15 | jelly | that's combining 2-3 tools |
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| 10:25.30 | shtrb | Found it , it's called mobian. |
| 10:25.33 | shtrb | !mobian |
| 10:26.12 | shtrb | dpkg mobian is https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/PINE64/PinePhone |
| 10:26.12 | dpkg | okay, shtrb |
| 10:26.18 | shtrb | !mobian |
| 10:26.18 | dpkg | [mobian] https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/PINE64/PinePhone |
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| 11:40.48 | Bushmaster | hey jelly |
| 11:41.18 | Bushmaster | yes, well, I recently installed visual studio code in my Debian 9 and it seems to be either sluggish or freeze |
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| 11:41.51 | Bushmaster | I wonder whether it is my desktop hardware issue or Debian issue. anyway to find out what seem to be the root cause jelly |
| 11:42.09 | jelly | you got enough RAM for your workload? |
| 11:42.31 | Bushmaster | jelly, well, this desktop is 8GiB RAM jelly |
| 11:43.08 | jelly | that doesn't say a lot, you might be running too much stuff for 8GB, or not |
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| 11:43.46 | Bushmaster | well, in my ntebook machine, ram is 4GiB and I have Debian 10 in it and visual studio code works perfect |
| 11:44.01 | jelly | verify output of "free" and "vmstat 1" to see if there's enough RAM and active swapping while you're using vscode |
| 11:44.10 | Bushmaster | i am just wondering whether it is outdated hardware issue |
| 11:44.23 | Bushmaster | jelly, okay, let me check |
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| 11:51.28 | Bushmaster | jelly, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/5Wk5msT3T9/ |
| 11:52.09 | Bushmaster | vscode is on and its almost freeze or sluggish, you cant work in that state jelly |
| 11:53.14 | jelly | I wrote "vmstat 1" not "vmstat" but it's obvious the system is not swapping |
| 11:53.29 | Bushmaster | jelly sorry, let me do it now |
| 11:54.04 | Bushmaster | vm stat 1 rolling, how i kill it? |
| 11:54.09 | jelly | you don't |
| 11:54.23 | jelly | ^C when you've seen enough |
| 11:54.53 | jelly | but in general you leave it running and then let whatever suspicious workload you have, run at the same time |
| 11:55.16 | Bushmaster | well, let me pastebin you |
| 11:55.43 | Bushmaster | and jelly i think you are very right, sawp is not working, every time i boot machine, it does mention something like swap does not work or something like that |
| 11:55.46 | jelly | no need, the first paste showed there's almost no swap in use at all |
| 11:55.49 | Bushmaster | how can it be fixed |
| 11:56.31 | Bushmaster | that vmstat 1 the column swap is all 0 |
| 11:57.09 | jelly | I don't remember what widget set vscode uses. if it's Qt or GTK3, try changing the theme and see if there's any difference |
| 11:57.36 | jelly | restart the app after changing the relevant theme |
| 11:57.40 | dob1 | I don't understand the difference between mpack and mail with -A |
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| 12:00.34 | Bushmaster | jelly, i need to get rid of it, how can I uninstall in command line |
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| 12:04.51 | wr | jelly, seems issue persists |
| 12:04.57 | jelly | Bushmaster: uninstall what? |
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| 12:05.39 | jelly | wr: and with a different keyboard as well, perhaps? |
| 12:06.03 | wr | jelly, with KB off see warning sound |
| 12:06.05 | Bushmaster | jelly, that vscode, i think i need to get rid of it, its not working and taking up space and making things slow |
| 12:06.16 | jelly | wr: you could maybe randomly try a newer or different kernel, and see if it gets fixed with newer/different drivers |
| 12:06.37 | jelly | Bushmaster: probably the same way you installed it. |
| 12:07.12 | jelly | Bushmaster: if it's a deb package purge it or remove it with apt. |
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| 12:09.14 | Bushmaster | it was deb package and i installed it by clicking right button and then install in GUI but not sure how to uninstall it |
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| 12:13.12 | jelly | Bushmaster: man apt-get, man apt |
| 12:14.43 | jelly | find the installed package name, then as root do: apt purge packagename |
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| 12:17.07 | Bushmaster | so there is no easy way to uninstall VS Code |
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| 12:18.24 | wr | jelly, i'm thinking this could too be hardware side, some days ago pc was rebooting straight, this hardware is bit old too, wonder if something on electronic circuit is messing this, but the last thing i remember that updated was kernel too |
| 12:20.04 | wr | jelly, i reinstalled the pulseaudio, messed bit on alsa packages, xfce-panel, and i did checked keyboard, i use this logitech keyboard for at least for 12 years almost, i never had issues with it before |
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| 12:22.36 | EdePopede | Bushmaster: what's not easy in 1. "what is the package name?" 2. "purge package!" ? |
| 12:23.25 | Bushmaster | EdePopede, hello, my friend, well, I simply want to uninstall Visual Studio Code and I have no idea how to uninstall package |
| 12:24.01 | EdePopede | aptitude / apt-get / apt. and some GUI frontends i just can't remember. |
| 12:24.35 | Bushmaster | no idea what you mean EdePopede |
| 12:24.51 | EdePopede | did you ever use one of these tools? |
| 12:25.01 | EdePopede | how do you install usually? |
| 12:26.02 | Bushmaster | yes i utilize apt-get when I install package in command line but this visual studio, i did not install in command line, i went to the VS Code site and then downloaded the .deb package and then right clicked it and the DBinstaller and it did the installation in GUI |
| 12:27.37 | EdePopede | find out about a relevant file (like the executable you use to start it) and then: dpkg -S $file |
| 12:28.18 | diogenes_ | Bushmaster, open synaptic package manager and search for visual or studio or vscode. |
| 12:28.20 | EdePopede | this gives you the package name you can use to purge it (maybe -s(imulate) it first just to stay safe) |
| 12:28.35 | wr | jelly, seen a video here, xfce4-notifyd-config seems to be what manages warnings settings |
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| 12:28.54 | Bushmaster | diogenes_, let me try |
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| 12:30.24 | Bushmaster | diogenes_, great, i found it, it is green square marked, I think I can uninstall it from there right |
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| 12:31.33 | diogenes_ | green means installed, right click and it gives you options. |
| 12:32.06 | Bushmaster | diogenes_, okay |
| 12:32.45 | Bushmaster | yes, diogenes_ mark for removal and then mark for complete removal, that is the one i should carry out, it is not working in my Debian 9 |
| 12:33.04 | Bushmaster | thanks a lot diogenes_ you really made it simple and useful for me |
| 12:33.39 | diogenes_ | Bushmaster, you're welcome. |
| 12:36.00 | Bushmaster | diogenes_, great, done, its totally removed, there is one other thing, may be you can shed some light, the swap is not working, alongside Debian I have LMDE installed, now, I plan on getting rid of that and install Debian 10 Buster, that should solve the swap issue right? |
| 12:37.00 | diogenes_ | Bushmaster, define 'not working'. |
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| 12:38.07 | Bushmaster | diogenes_, no idea, i think i saw a message when I boot the machine, it says swap is not working or something like that, and jelly ran some commands and confirm something wrong with my swap |
| 12:38.16 | Bushmaster | i am no good at these diogenes_ |
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| 12:39.16 | diogenes_ | Bushmaster, in terminal run: sudo apt install gnome-system-monitor |
| 12:39.45 | Bushmaster | diogenes_, hold on my good friend |
| 12:41.52 | Bushmaster | diogenes_, i think it is already installed judging by what it saying after running the command |
| 12:42.40 | diogenes_ | in that same terminal type: gnome-system-monitor (hit enter) |
| 12:43.06 | wr | jelly, another thing is that when it displays warning i see volume value change up and down |
| 12:43.29 | diogenes_ | go to resorces tab and see if swap shows green. |
| 12:44.01 | Bushmaster | diogenes_, hold on |
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| 12:49.38 | Bushmaster | diogenes_, i took a screen shot, can you please tell me if everything okay https://imgur.com/a/Qu2sMdX |
| 12:51.45 | diogenes_ | Bushmaster, you're swap is 1.5 Gb in size and works ok, already 4Kb swapped. |
| 12:51.55 | diogenes_ | your* |
| 12:52.17 | Bushmaster | thanks diogenes_ you must be a good teacher, know how to simply and help |
| 12:52.28 | Bushmaster | simplify |
| 12:53.19 | diogenes_ | if it has a green dot in the middle then it works, if grey then doesn't. |
| 12:54.15 | Bushmaster | diogenes_, there is a small green dot in the middle and only 4kb is utilized |
| 12:56.18 | diogenes_ | Bushmaster, that's why i said it works and btw, the more swap is used the more freezes you gonna experience. |
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| 12:57.40 | Bushmaster | diogenes_, that Visual Studio Code does not work in this machine so no idea why it did not work, |
| 12:58.06 | diogenes_ | you're using Cinnamon which is heavy on resources, i'd recommend Xfce for a smoother experience. |
| 13:05.22 | Bushmaster | diogenes_, well I installed Debian Buster in one of my laptop, it has 4 GiB Ram and Cinnamon Desktop and Visual Studio Code works fine |
| 13:05.44 | Bushmaster | no idea why this desktop machine, it does not work, i think its outdated hardware that's why |
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| 13:14.34 | diogenes_ | Bushmaster, if you want to troubleshoot a particular application which 'doesn't work', you should open a terminal and start that application in terminal, then read the output or error messaage in terminal, usually something like: Failed to open shared library xyz, no such file or directory, this gives you an idea that xyz is missing, that's why the app won't start. |
| 13:15.43 | Bushmaster | diogenes_, let me try installing Visual Studio Code again but this time with your support |
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| 14:07.55 | NetTerminalGene | does debian buster support xfs file system? |
| 14:08.11 | Brigo | NetTerminalGene, i think so |
| 14:08.29 | NetTerminalGene | man, i found benchmark, it is more performant than ext4 |
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| 14:10.15 | dvs | but how robust is it? |
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| 14:13.27 | NetTerminalGene | yeah. i don't know. ext4 has never failed for me. no data loss after power cut etc |
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| 15:35.18 | contrapunctus | o/ |
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| 15:36.06 | dvs | yo |
| 15:36.54 | contrapunctus | Qtractor on Debian Stable is crashing for me, and reportbug wants me to try a newer version first. |
| 15:37.35 | shtrb | It's a suggestion only |
| 15:37.54 | contrapunctus | I tried to follow the steps at https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch02.en.html#_porting_a_package_to_the_stable_system and got "builddeps:qtractor : Hängt ab von: debhelper-compat (= 13)" during (IIRC) apt-get build-dep qtractor |
| 15:39.00 | dvs | ,v qtractor |
| 15:39.01 | judd | Package: qtractor on amd64 -- jessie: 0.6.3-1; stretch: 0.8.0-1; buster: 0.9.5-1; bullseye: 0.9.17-1; sid: 0.9.18-1 |
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| 15:39.42 | dvs | ,v debhelpter-compat |
| 15:39.43 | judd | No package named 'debhelpter-compat' was found in amd64. |
| 15:39.50 | dvs | ,v debhelper-compat |
| 15:39.51 | judd | No package named 'debhelper-compat' was found in amd64. |
| 15:40.03 | contrapunctus | ð¤ |
| 15:40.29 | abrotman | lintian ? |
| 15:40.33 | jelly | ,provides debhelper --release buster-backports |
| 15:40.34 | judd | Package debhelper in buster-backports/amd64 provides: debhelper-compat (= 9), debhelper-compat (= 10), debhelper-compat (= 11), debhelper-compat (= 12), debhelper-compat (= 13), dh-sequence-dwz, dh-sequence-elf-tools, dh-sequence-installinitramfs, dh-sequence-systemd. |
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| 15:41.05 | jelly | contrapunctus: you'll need to install debhelper from buster-backports to satisfy that particular build dependency |
| 15:41.34 | jelly | !buster-backports |
| 15:41.34 | dpkg | Some packages intended for Bullseye (Debian 11) but recompiled for use with Buster (Debian 10) can be found in the buster-backports repository. See http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ . Ask me about <bdo>, <backports>. |
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| 15:51.24 | contrapunctus | jelly: I see. Now that I check, I have it, and I'm able to proceed till `debuild`, where I get - http://paste.debian.net/1170491/ |
| 15:51.45 | contrapunctus | (I do have debhelper-compat, so what gives? ð¤) |
| 15:52.54 | dvs | contrapunctus: line 9? |
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| 15:55.40 | contrapunctus | Oh, what the hell... `apt install debhelper-compat` => "Note, selecting 'debhelper' instead of 'debhelper-compat'" 𤷠|
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| 15:55.52 | contrapunctus | Why? ð¤ |
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| 16:01.49 | jelly | <jelly> contrapunctus: you'll need to install debhelper from buster-backports to satisfy that particular build dependency |
| 16:01.54 | jelly | did you do that? |
| 16:05.59 | jelly | contrapunctus: https://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ tells you how to install something from backports |
| 16:06.34 | contrapunctus | jelly: I do have backports, yes |
| 16:08.05 | jelly | don't forget all the steps. adding the repo, running an apt update, using -t buster-backports when installing |
| 16:08.35 | jelly | contrapunctus: just having the repo enabled won't make apt use it automatically |
| 16:08.52 | abrotman | seems like a lot of work to file a bug ... |
| 16:10.15 | jelly | isn't that the usual amount of work to file bug in debian. "a lot" |
| 16:10.44 | abrotman | Think it depends on the bug |
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| 16:22.45 | contrapunctus | jelly: oh, thanks, wasn't aware of that. However, even with `apt install -t buster-backports debhelper-compat` I get the same message - "Note, selecting 'debhelper' instead of 'debhelper-compat'" |
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| 16:23.32 | dob1 | ,v ssmtp |
| 16:23.33 | judd | Package: ssmtp on amd64 -- jessie: 2.64-8; stretch: 2.64-8+b2; bullseye: 2.64-9; sid: 2.64-9 |
| 16:23.44 | dob1 | nice... |
| 16:23.52 | dob1 | and buster? |
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| 16:25.57 | dob1 | msmtp ? |
| 16:26.08 | jelly | contrapunctus: there is no package actually called "debhelper-compat" |
| 16:26.30 | abrotman | dob1: what are you asking? |
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| 16:27.43 | dob1 | abrotman, I am looking to send mail throught an external smtp, searching online I found ssmtp as an option and this msmtp (not looking to configure exim for this). The first one is not now in debian |
| 16:27.46 | jelly | !provides |
| 16:28.00 | abrotman | dob1: look at nullmailer also |
| 16:28.10 | apollo13 | or postfix |
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| 16:28.36 | jelly | postfix is a bit overkill for a null mailer installation |
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| 16:29.05 | dob1 | no, postfix / exim is too much |
| 16:29.13 | dob1 | I take a look at nullmailer thanks |
| 16:29.16 | abrotman | dpkg: nullmailer |
| 16:29.16 | dpkg | methinks nullmailer is a minimal <MTA> for hosts which just sends directly to smart relays. Does not support /etc/aliases; define a catch-all alias in /etc/nullmailer/adminaddr instead, see adminaddr(5). http://untroubled.org/nullmailer/ See also <ssmtp>. |
| 16:29.17 | jelly | dob1: you could rebuild ssmtp. Or try msmtp-mta. Or dma. |
| 16:29.41 | dob1 | jelly, but why why it's in in all version but not in buster? |
| 16:29.58 | dob1 | a lot of options to try :) |
| 16:29.59 | abrotman | it must have had an RC bug before release |
| 16:30.02 | jelly | it was too buggy at the time buster software set was frozen, and noone fixed it |
| 16:30.13 | contrapunctus | jelly: thanks. After some complaining about debian/compat (I renamed it to silence it) it finally seems to be building. |
| 16:30.50 | dob1 | ah ok |
| 16:30.58 | contrapunctus | Making bug reports was a lot easier when I was running Testing/Unstable ð
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| 16:33.12 | jelly | contrapunctus: you could also just file a bug for the version in stable and ignore that part about trying the latest |
| 16:34.16 | contrapunctus | jelly: oh, is that really okay? I'm relieved to hear it! ð |
| 16:37.24 | jelly | not everyone is going to backport software and not every piece is easily backportable in the first place |
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| 16:54.29 | dob1 | if I decide to use nullmailer, can I use a .forward file writing on it the external email address of the user? so writing a mail to the username will send the message to its external mail address? |
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| 16:59.21 | jelly | dob1: nullmailer does not read ~/.forward, almost no tiny smtp /usr/sbin/sendmail replacements do |
| 17:00.39 | jelly | that file is more a config file for local delivery, and null mailers don't do local delivery |
| 17:01.06 | jelly | dma is kind of an exception there |
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| 17:01.23 | dob1 | jelly, and how do you manage system mails with it (nullmailer) ? |
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| 17:03.29 | jelly | typically you configure it to send everything to a single mail address using a single smtp server |
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| 17:06.29 | dob1 | jelly, not my usercase |
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| 17:08.02 | jelly | tbh I put postfix almost everywhere, containers being the single exception |
| 17:09.10 | dob1 | jelly, and it manages local and external mails via an external smtp? |
| 17:10.24 | jelly | it has local delivery for local messages, and can be configured with a smarthost (external smtp server) |
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| 17:11.02 | jelly | there's half a dozen processes running all the time, eating about 30-40MB |
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| 17:11.48 | dob1 | jelly, I can use the .forward too? |
| 17:11.56 | jelly | yes. |
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| 17:12.19 | dob1 | I will try it, never used it |
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| 17:39.05 | dob1 | I was able to setup it but I have to use the -a "From: myemail@foobar" to have to accepted |
| 17:39.13 | dob1 | in mail command |
| 17:39.26 | f8e4 | hi, i do .basrc: export MANPATH="$PATH:/hom... and now my old man is broken; eg man find |
| 17:40.14 | jelly | f8e4: PATH is not a good path for man. |
| 17:40.29 | f8e4 | export MANPATH="$PATH:/home/user/latex_base_dir/texmf-dist/doc/man" |
| 17:40.36 | f8e4 | latex i try to add just .. |
| 17:41.30 | jelly | PATH does not contain directories with man pages! |
| 17:41.32 | f8e4 | jelly, are y threning me |
| 17:41.47 | f8e4 | just noticed |
| 17:41.59 | f8e4 | :P |
| 17:42.12 | jelly | I don't know what threning is, sorry |
| 17:42.17 | f8e4 | but a good path for mankind |
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| 17:43.59 | jelly | I guess you can extrapolate other dirs for the default MANPATH from contents of /etc/manpath.config |
| 17:44.06 | jelly | but there are many |
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| 17:49.39 | dob1 | and another problem, not postfix related but still on mail, mail -A file will attach the file to the mail BUT the filename will be the full path of the file |
| 17:50.18 | dob1 | so if I send mail -A /home/user/foobar.pdf the file on the email will be /home/user/foobar.pdf and when you download it _home_user_foobar.pdf |
| 17:50.28 | jelly | that really depends on the particular implementation of /usr/bin/mail you're using |
| 17:50.35 | jelly | I like to send attachments with mutt |
| 17:50.56 | dob1 | jelly, I was looking for it too but how to you set the from header too? |
| 17:51.19 | jelly | either in muttrc or in the command line |
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| 17:52.45 | dob1 | echo "test" | mutt -a file -s "subject" -- address@foobar.com I am not sure you can |
| 17:53.04 | jelly | the silly way would be mutt -e 'set from="date.of.birth.one@example.com"' ... |
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| 17:55.04 | jelly | or even set from="Name Lastname <date.of.birth.one@example.com>" |
| 17:56.07 | jelly | btw, mutt can send via smtp on its own. |
| 17:56.44 | jelly | uses it to read and send via office365 work email |
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| 18:01.00 | dob1 | jelly, not able to do this with mutt |
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| 18:03.15 | jelly | dob1: do what? |
| 18:03.26 | dob1 | jelly, to set from |
| 18:03.59 | dob1 | mail it's ok it's just that it gives this strange name to the attachment .... |
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| 18:05.37 | jayden | Anyone here that use awesomewm that can help me |
| 18:06.41 | jelly | dob1: what's your actual command line, and which debian release (really, which mutt package version) |
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| 18:08.32 | dob1 | echo "attach" | mutt -e 'set from="relay_host_account@gmx.com"' -s "test subject" -a /home/user/tmp/splash.gif -- myaddress@gmail.com |
| 18:09.08 | dob1 | jelly, and buster |
| 18:09.25 | dob1 | mutt 1.10.1-2.1+deb10u3 |
| 18:11.33 | EdePopede | tell jayden about anyone |
| 18:11.49 | EdePopede | (first time using this, no idea if it works *g*) |
| 18:11.56 | dob1 | but the error is host mail.gmx.com[212.227.17.174] said: 550-Requested |
| 18:11.56 | dob1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:11.56 | dob1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:12.49 | jelly | dob1: and if you use a relative path? |
| 18:13.28 | jelly | dob1: you shouldn't fake sender addresses |
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| 18:14.03 | jelly | dob1: use a SMTP server with authentication, and use your real sender address and user and password for auth |
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| 18:14.19 | dob1 | jelly, I am using real address not fake ones, it's only here that I wrote a fake one |
| 18:14.40 | jelly | dob1: then you forgot to authenticate. |
| 18:15.00 | dob1 | jelly, I am using postfix as you suggested |
| 18:15.06 | dob1 | it's in postfix the authentication |
| 18:15.22 | jelly | dob1: is it working? |
| 18:15.31 | dob1 | jelly, with mail yes, with mutt no |
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| 18:16.32 | jelly | dob1: that makes little sense. smtp auth, if configured, should be done by postfix when it sends mail onward regardless of which mail client you used locally |
| 18:17.06 | jelly | dob1: it's more likely it's not configured properly |
| 18:17.35 | dob1 | jelly, my idea (maybe wrong) is: postfix will receive the mail, from mail or mutt and based on the recipient address will deliver it locally or to the smarthost (in this case gmx). GMX is not accepting it with mutt, and you can see the log, because from is not ok when I use mutt |
| 18:17.37 | jelly | I don't know how to configure it to do smtp auth. |
| 18:19.02 | jelly | dob1: postfix ought to do SMTP AUTH in any case. Show all the postfix lines for a single send attempt, in a pastebin |
| 18:19.11 | dob1 | jelly, I setup it |
| 18:20.02 | jelly | dob1: you using port 465 or port 587 for sending with your smtp auth server? |
| 18:20.15 | dob1 | I can show you main.cf |
| 18:20.21 | dob1 | the relevant parts |
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| 18:21.29 | jelly | no. Logs please. |
| 18:21.30 | dob1 | jelly, https://paste.debian.net/1170504/ |
| 18:23.46 | dob1 | jelly, that's an attemp https://paste.debian.net/1170505/ |
| 18:24.34 | jelly | dob1: you envelope from (envelope sender) is not right |
| 18:24.56 | dob1 | which line? |
| 18:25.05 | abrotman | GMX seems to want your from domain to be real? |
| 18:25.10 | dob1 | yes |
| 18:25.20 | dob1 | this is the issue |
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| 18:26.00 | jelly | nov 08 19:21:47 virtdebian postfix/qmgr[15858]: 7A514EAA8E: from=<federico@virtdebian.realm.lan>, size=16755, nrcpt=1 (queue active) |
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| 18:26.38 | dob1 | it doesn't take the from |
| 18:27.01 | jelly | that's the envelope, different thing from From header |
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| 18:27.41 | jelly | if using mutt, you can tell it: "set envelope_from" in muttrc or with another -e |
| 18:28.22 | jelly | ^ if you use that, mutt will use the same address for the envelope sender as for the From: header |
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| 18:29.19 | wrksx | I dunno much about rsyslog, is it still used and how does it interact with systemd journal thing? |
| 18:29.34 | dob1 | if I use mail I have the same log message and here I have , for example, nov 08 19:27:20 virtdebian postfix/qmgr[15858]: A79D0EAA8E: from=<my_user@gmx.com>, size=128395, nrcpt=1 (queue active) |
| 18:29.43 | dob1 | that is accepeted |
| 18:29.45 | jelly | dob1: that looks better. |
| 18:29.52 | dob1 | with mail, not mutt |
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| 18:30.03 | dob1 | with mutt I am not able to do the same |
| 18:31.05 | jelly | dob1: what does your mutt command line look like right now? |
| 18:31.18 | dob1 | the same I posted before |
| 18:31.28 | dob1 | I tried with envelope_from too but it doesn't accept it |
| 18:31.55 | jelly | what happens with envelope_from and what was the exact command line you tried? |
| 18:33.18 | dob1 | echo "foobar" | mutt -e 'set envelope_from="my_user@gmx.com"' .... the rest Error in command line: Usage: set variable=yes|no |
| 18:33.29 | jelly | that's not what I wrote |
| 18:33.54 | dob1 | <jelly> if using mutt, you can tell it: "set envelope_from" in muttrc or with another -e |
| 18:34.10 | jelly | dob1: the first -e stays the same, and then have a SECOND -e with just 'set envelope_from' |
| 18:34.16 | dob1 | ok I trye |
| 18:34.18 | dob1 | sorry |
| 18:34.39 | jelly | but really, put all the fixed stuff in ~/.muttrc |
| 18:35.49 | dob1 | | mutt -e 'set from="my_user@gmx.com"' -e 'set envelope_from="my_user@gmx.com"' same error :( |
| 18:36.22 | jelly | no dude, it's LITERALLY JUST -e 'set envelope_from' |
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| 18:37.15 | jelly | ... | mutt -e 'set from="my_user@gmx.com"' -e 'set envelope_from' -s 'some subject' -a attach1 attach2 ... -- recipient1 recipient2 ... |
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| 18:38.51 | wrksx | rsyslog conflicts with linux-kernel-log-daemon, system-log-daemon |
| 18:39.13 | wrksx | but apt search showed no linux-kernel-log-daemon package |
| 18:39.23 | topoi | Hey folks. I'm not sure if it's debian related, but "info info" gives me "info: No menu item 'info-stnd' in node '(dir)Top'", which worked on stretch when I remember correctly and also still works on some other unix flavours. |
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| 18:40.11 | topoi | I also found some entry on launchpad: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/texinfo/+bug/1789298 |
| 18:41.32 | jelly | wrksx: it also provides those. |
| 18:42.20 | topoi | It says there the entry is now in "texinfo-doc-nonfree"; but why so? Does anyne know? |
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| 18:42.47 | wrksx | jelly: oh right, but they do not exist independently then |
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| 18:43.09 | wrksx | so why would it conflict with those? I'm confused about the goal |
| 18:43.30 | dob1 | jelly, I did it: in muttrc I put set use_envelope_from=yes and set from="user@gmx.com" and it worked |
| 18:43.51 | jelly | wrksx: Provides + Conflicts is used when there's more than one package providing some functionality, but only one of those is supposed to be installed at a time |
| 18:44.28 | sney | topoi: a lot of GNU docs are in debian non-free because the license says they can't be modified, and that conflicts with the DFSG. have you tried installing that package to see if it resolves your issue? |
| 18:44.29 | topoi | Ahh, I see. It's somehow related to https://people.debian.org/~srivasta/Position_Statement.xhtml .. :( |
| 18:44.32 | wrksx | jelly, ok then I need to check out what other packages provide those then, ty |
| 18:45.16 | jelly | dob1: eh, if it works... fwiw, I don't have set use_envelope_from=yes, only set envelope_from. |
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| 18:45.26 | wrksx | jelly: how are those functionality packages refered to? virtual packages? |
| 18:45.31 | jelly | wrksx: yes |
| 18:45.42 | topoi | sney: my sources.list excludes non-free and I was quite satisfied with it. :/ |
| 18:45.43 | wrksx | jelly: ty |
| 18:46.02 | jelly | judd: whatprovides system-log-daemon |
| 18:46.24 | judd | Package system-log-daemon in buster/amd64 is provided by: busybox-syslogd, inetutils-syslogd, rsyslog, syslog-ng-core. |
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| 18:46.45 | wrksx | is judd a new bot? |
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| 18:47.18 | sney | judd's been around for a decade or more |
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| 18:47.24 | sney | sometimes he gets new features, though |
| 18:47.33 | dob1 | jelly, I don't know :) but it's ok now and the filename for the attachment is like I want |
| 18:47.39 | sney | !judd |
| 18:47.40 | dpkg | judd is a window into the Ultimate Debian Database (ask me about <udd>). Judd can look up package, PCI ID and kernel config information. See http://ircbots.debian.net/judd/ for detailed information, or ask me about <judd-file>, <judd-packages>, <judd-hardware>, <source judd>. |
| 18:47.53 | wrksx | okay then, I guess no one talked to him right in front of me before |
| 18:48.47 | jelly | has it really been that long |
| 18:49.06 | jelly | Filesystem created: Wed Dec 30 16:08:01 2009 |
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| 19:02.53 | topoi | I really dislike the nitpicking with licencing regarding "texinfo-doc-nonfree" although understanding the considerations that lead to it. |
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| 19:04.27 | sney | it's definitely not an ideal situation. but strong copyright law is what keeps free software free, so there isn't an easy fix on the debian side, either |
| 19:05.34 | topoi | sney: ..well I understand it insofar it being a generative cause, not in this particular case. I assume I had to dig into some mailing list archives to get a grasp about the specific argumentation. |
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| 19:06.30 | abrotman | I think you can "/msg dpkg gfdl" for some background, if you want more |
| 19:06.32 | topoi | For me as end user, when installing "info", I assume to have also the help on "info" included and it feels uncomfortably weird to get strange errors when trying to get to the documentation. |
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| 19:06.52 | sney | the GFDL/DFSG thing has come up a few times, so you shouldn't need to dig very much. lists.debian.org is the correct resource though as you said |
| 19:07.53 | topoi | thanks, abrotman, I'll try that. |
| 19:07.57 | sney | but maybe someone who uses info could file a wishlist bug, with a patch, so that when trying to use info on a system without non-free, they could see a more informative message rather than an error. |
| 19:08.33 | topoi | sney: the error is "Cannot find node '(info)Help-Small-Screen'".. ;) |
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| 19:09.13 | topoi | It's informative but as already stated it's not very understandable. |
| 19:09.47 | zaherdirkey | hi, i have i686 arch debian buster, it is 32 , i want to run 64 project is that possible? |
| 19:09.49 | sney | I'm not much of a programmer but I imagine it would be feasible to test for that condition, and instead print a short excuse about the GFDL and non-free, maybe with a link |
| 19:10.25 | sney | zaherdirkey: multiarch is possible from a 32-bit system, though it depends on what you mean by "64 project" |
| 19:10.38 | sney | also you will need a 64-bit kernel afaik |
| 19:10.43 | abrotman | your CPU is actually only 32bit? |
| 19:11.02 | zaherdirkey | my cpu is 64 |
| 19:11.16 | zaherdirkey | sorry power outeage back later |
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| 19:12.37 | sney | abrotman: good call, I retired my last 32-bit hardware a few weeks ago and I've already forgotten they exist. :D |
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| 19:22.36 | jelly | it's not hard to run an amd64 kernel on an otherwise mostly i386 userspace and i386 dpkg. |
| 19:22.39 | topoi | So what would be the favourable method to install one specific nonfree package (especially "texinfo-doc-nonfree") without inadvertently installing other nonfree components (introducing with adding non-free to sources.list)? |
| 19:23.30 | jelly | topoi: you'll need to add non-free to sources.list, but nothing from main will depend on any package from there, so you're reasonably safe from accidentally something |
| 19:23.58 | jelly | of course "texinfo-doc-nonfree" might itself have some other non-free dependencies |
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| 19:25.02 | nkuttler | topoi: vrms might have a reporting mode or something |
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| 19:27.15 | jelly | and you need to keep the repo enabled in case there's a... uh, security issue. In the docs. |
| 19:28.15 | topoi | jelly: Ahh, of course. I want to install "texinfo-doc-nonfree" with dependencies. =) Is the naming scheme of nonfree packages always *-nonfree? I though when searching and installing packages (with non-free included in sources.list) it's rather easy to install non-free packages inadvertently? |
| 19:29.04 | jelly | sadly it's not |
| 19:29.37 | jelly | it IS relatively consistent with documentation bits that are GFDL+invariants. |
| 19:30.08 | jelly | but you could accidentally install, dunno, rar |
| 19:30.11 | jelly | ,v rar |
| 19:30.12 | judd | Package: rar on amd64 -- jessie/non-free: 2:4.2.0+dfsg.1-0.1; stretch/non-free: 2:5.4.0+dfsg.1-0.1; bullseye/non-free: 2:5.5.0-1; buster/non-free: 2:5.5.0-1; sid/non-free: 2:5.5.0-1 |
| 19:30.52 | jelly | or nvidia drivers! |
| 19:31.33 | topoi | God forbid! |
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| 19:33.34 | topoi | jelly: at least "apt search" shows the affiliation. I did not understand your comment on the "documentation bits". Can you elaborate on that? |
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| 19:34.51 | topoi | nkuttler: Are you being ironic? =) ..after all it's included in stable though. |
| 19:35.14 | nkuttler | topoi: er? what? |
| 19:35.30 | jelly | !gfdl |
| 19:35.30 | dpkg | [gfdl] The GNU "Free" Documentation License, considered <non-free> by Debian in some cases. Read the discussion at http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2003/debian-legal-200309/msg00169.html and http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2003/debian-legal-200304/msg00246.html . See the position statement at http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/Position_Statement.html and resolution at http://www.debian.org/vote/2006/vote_001 |
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| 19:36.05 | jelly | topoi: ^ is why at least some of those docs are in non-free; I'm not sure about texinfo in particular. |
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| 19:37.35 | topoi | nkuttler: "No non-free or contrib packages installed on $HOSTNAME! rms would be proud." ;) |
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| 19:41.22 | topoi | I expect it's save to add non-free just temporary? |
| 19:41.30 | sney | yup |
| 19:41.41 | sney | you won't get updates is all |
| 19:42.12 | topoi | sney: ..and rms won't be proud anymore. ;) |
| 19:43.13 | sney | haha. I mean, I think he has kind of a dim view of debian anyway. |
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| 20:07.32 | alex11 | so... debian 13 will be Trixie |
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| 20:09.46 | wrksx | azerty |
| 20:10.27 | alex11 | thus breaking the 3 Bs of buster bullseye bookworm |
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| 20:23.08 | pherel | big coce |
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| 20:23.38 | Maxi1357 | big coce |
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| 20:25.37 | abrotman | Exciting ... |
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| 20:27.37 | H-var | I agree |
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| 21:02.18 | ws2k3 | is there another way to find which file is at a specific inode? if i use find -inum NUM it taking ages search it needs to search like Alot of data |
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| 21:06.53 | IdotMaster1 | y e s |
| 21:09.55 | ws2k3 | its an ext3 filesystem. is it safe to use debugfs -R "ncheck INUM" device 2>/dev/null? |
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| 21:12.46 | phogg | safe as in non-destructive? Yes. But you must be root. |
| 21:13.18 | phogg | it's also not necessarily any faster. |
| 21:13.53 | ws2k3 | phogg: yeah cause the problem is the data is on hdd and i need to search in like millions of files. so that can take forever |
| 21:14.16 | phogg | there is, as far as I know, no inode-to-path-list table. It only maps the other way. |
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| 22:39.13 | zaherdirkey | i used `sudo dpkg --add-architecture amd64` in my debian buster 32 installation i got `pkg-config-dpkghook: warning: Architecture x86-64 not defined in architecture tables, ignored |
| 22:39.13 | zaherdirkey | ` |
| 22:39.17 | ryouma | you could in principle hav esomething like slocate that also stores inode for future searches |
| 22:39.37 | zaherdirkey | i want to add 64 support to my 32 installation |
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| 22:47.55 | jhutchins | phogg: There are systems that index things like documenttion and binaries, but those usually rely on a scheduled background task. |
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| 23:20.56 | phogg | jhutchins: nothing in the kernel does that for inode paths, which makes even debugfs just as slow as find for looking them up |
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