| 00:00.07 | solrize | it's installing away, don't know yet if it will completely work but it's gotten much farther than last time, thanks. i'll try reinstalling my other machine this way too (the wifi on that one doesn't work at all but it's ok because i have ethernet for it) |
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| 00:01.33 | sney | solrize: np. there are a couple of wifi drivers that debian can't distribute the firmware for, so your other machine might be one of those. if so it's still possible to make it work post-install. |
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| 00:14.33 | solrize | sney it's working now, seems fine so far, although there was another thinkpad (different model) crashed now and then |
| 00:14.44 | solrize | i mean where the wifi driver crashed now and then |
| 00:14.50 | solrize | so will see if this one holds up |
| 00:15.37 | solrize | weird that it works with the netinst but not the live cd. i will try reinstalling my other machine (i.e. the one i'm typing on now) from netinst . = copy off all the user files, install, restore, ugh. will take some hours. but it's ok |
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| 00:17.31 | solrize | anyway thanks all |
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| 00:17.51 | sney | you could swap the hdds |
| 00:18.18 | solrize | yeah that's an interesting idea. although this new one is my mom's machine so once she's using it i won't be able to mess with it too much |
| 00:18.30 | solrize | wonder if she'll ever figure out that it's not running windows ;) |
| 00:18.32 | sney | particularly on an older, bios/legacy install, the OS will not even notice that the hardware changed |
| 00:18.57 | solrize | the two machines (thinkpad t520 and x220) have very similar hardware |
| 00:19.40 | solrize | i gotta figure out an ansible script for desktops if i'm gonna do this so often. i have one for servers/vms but that's different |
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| 00:29.25 | scruloose | Is there anything like... ps but long-running so I can capture/log info (specifically PPID) about a process that appears briefly every once in a while? I have a list of PIDs I'm trying to identify. |
| 00:29.38 | sney | htop? |
| 00:29.51 | sney | or top, even. but htop is better and has filtering |
| 00:31.01 | scruloose | Oh, yes, that sounds promising. I've only ever used top for interactive "who's eating all my CPU?" uses, didn't even think of it for logging. |
| 00:33.51 | scruloose | abrotman: I think I was confused about the PPID I grabbed earlier. I was matching PIDs by eye from the full output of ps and I'm pretty sure that what I thought was a match was... not. |
| 00:43.16 | deeplogic | the dragon has risen |
| 00:44.10 | abrotman | scruloose: seems like it is a kernel or systemd thread |
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| 00:46.43 | scruloose | abrotman: given that, any idea how I might identify which of the two, and what thread, and ideally find out where its configuration comes from so I can blacklist my automount mountpoints? |
| 00:46.56 | scruloose | I, um, realize I'm asking a lot. |
| 00:47.07 | scruloose | :/ |
| 00:47.37 | abrotman | did you verify the PPID? |
| 00:49.24 | scruloose | Not so far. AFAICT, the least sucky way to do that is going to be a loop using ps and a long-ish list of PIDs to try and catch the damn thing in the act. But if that's the key piece of information I need, I guess I'll try that. |
| 00:50.43 | scruloose | sney: looks like capturing htop's info to a file is... not a straightforward proposition: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/17534591/htop-output-to-human-readable-file |
| 00:53.28 | scruloose | Top with its limited filtering doesn't seem like it'll really be easier than running ps in a loop with a 1-second sleep and letting it go until it returns a match |
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| 01:05.29 | solrize | have an inotify on the relevant /proc entries? |
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| 01:21.39 | scruloose | solrize: hey, that seems much more elegant than the brute-force bash while loop I was writing... |
| 01:21.45 | Enissay | I am unable to make this alias work, the $1 is unknown in the subshell -actually it takes the value $2-, how to fix it ? `alias tst="echo $(cmd $1) $2"` ===> call: echo 11 22 ===> output: 11 22 |
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| 01:25.40 | themill | Enissay: a complete and self-contained example is needed, I think. There's nowhere near enough info to know what you're actually doing or what you want. (You might also be better off asking in #bash in the end) |
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| 01:27.49 | Enissay | themill: thx ;-) |
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| 01:29.13 | themill | (#bash will still need an actual minimal example because there's no way of saying anything from what you've shown so far other than it would generate "bash: cmd: command not found") |
| 01:29.14 | maxrazer | Does anyone know where a file is copied to if I use trash on another drive? It don't see the file in ~/.local/share/Trash/files, but I do see it in the trash:/// in thunar file manager. |
| 01:30.12 | themill | maxrazer: have a look for a .Trash-$UID or similar in the topmost directory of the external media |
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| 02:02.36 | maxrazer | themill, Oh, actually there is a .Trash on that external media. The highlighting is all messed up for some reason on that drive. |
| 02:02.52 | maxrazer | .Trash-1000 is what it is called |
| 02:04.45 | maxrazer | Every drive will have its own .Trash and only on the system drive will it be in /.local... |
| 02:05.42 | maxrazer | Because you can't link across drives like that and you don't want to copy it to go to trash. |
| 02:07.58 | themill | I've figured out the heuristic that decides if it's on the disk itself or in $HOME, but yes, that's the high level summary. |
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| 03:28.34 | kingsley | I'm surprised that searching for |
| 03:28.46 | kingsley | "debain" "symbolic regression" |
| 03:28.54 | kingsley | found no packages. |
| 03:29.28 | kingsley | Do you happen to know if we have one, or how I might search better? |
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| 03:35.37 | themill | kingsley: there are quite a few symbolic algebra packages. I don't think what I mean by regression and what you mean by regression are the same thing though. (also, typo in your search!) |
| 03:38.39 | kingsley | themill: Thanks for the reality check. Especially for pointing out my typo. |
| 03:40.14 | kingsley | Unfortunately, my fruitless searched spelled debian correctly, and I agree that symbolic algebra differs from symbolic regression. |
| 03:41.02 | themill | I come from a world where 'regression' means curve fitting. |
| 03:42.03 | kingsley | My understanding is symbolic regression fits data, whereas symbolic algebra automates simplifying and otherwise rearranging mathematical symbols. |
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| 03:43.02 | themill | ah, so you do mean data fitting. Where does symbolic fit this -- you want to type an eqn and then fit its coefficients to some data? |
| 03:46.49 | themill | For a GUI, I'd look at fityk, labplot, qtiplot for that. I'd likely just do it myself in python with a few lines of code though (using either a scipy regression package directly, or going via something like bumps depending on how stiff the maths is) |
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| 03:48.11 | kingsley | An example of how symbols fit in might be combining individual independent variables, often called X1, X2, etc... into higher order formulas with continuous output. |
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| 03:49.03 | kingsley | Maybe you could think of it as automating finding the best higher order polynomial terms. |
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| 03:49.35 | kingsley | For example: |
| 03:49.42 | themill | if it's explicitly polynomials you want then numpy has polyfit |
| 03:50.43 | themill | I mentally classify this sort of stuff as being numerical methods not symbolic, however. We probably had different people teaching us maths :) |
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| 03:51.23 | kingsley | Yes, thanks. A cool thing about symbolic regression is it's not limited to just polynomial terms. |
| 03:51.54 | kingsley | A S-R package that was requested 2 years ago is |
| 03:51.56 | kingsley | https://github.com/topics/symbolic-regression |
| 03:52.35 | themill | ah |
| 03:52.47 | kingsley | S-R apps often use genetic algorithms to explore combos. |
| 03:53.01 | themill | Maybe we can convince you to package some of these for debian :) |
| 03:58.30 | kingsley | Speaking only for myself, I'd be happy to let someone else take that on. |
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| 06:46.56 | sgo11 | Even if it shows Power_On_Hours = 0 somewhere in the output. What do those errors mean? Thanks a lot. |
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| 09:01.25 | sgo11 | Is there something wrong with my network? Why didn't anyone send a message? |
| 09:02.23 | nkuttler | network? message? |
| 09:04.55 | sgo11 | ok, no worries. Finally, I received a message. |
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| 09:08.38 | jelly | ,v smartmontools |
| 09:08.39 | judd | Package: smartmontools on amd64 -- jessie: 6.3+svn4002-2+b2; stretch: 6.5+svn4324-1; buster: 6.6-1; buster-backports: 7.1-1~bpo10+1; bullseye: 7.1-1; sid: 7.1-1 |
| 09:09.13 | jelly | sgo11: you probably got a refurbished device, not new |
| 09:09.43 | jelly | sgo11: see if this alternative smart tool shows more explanations |
| 09:09.46 | jelly | !hdsentinel |
| 09:09.46 | dpkg | A gratis but closed source <SMART> client with slightly more user-friendly output than <smartctl> and ability to read more USB devices than smartctl. Binaries for x86 and ARM at http://www.hdsentinel.com/hard_disk_sentinel_linux.php |
| 09:13.20 | sgo11 | jelly: thanks a lot. I will try hdsentinel then. |
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| 11:53.32 | simplicius | Hello |
| 11:53.44 | simplicius | where can I find the source code of the "look" program? |
| 11:55.02 | nkuttler | !source |
| 11:55.02 | dpkg | As an overview: to work with Debian source packages, add a <deb-src> line to your sources list; cd to a location with free space; download the source package with <apt-get source>; retrieve dependencies with <apt-get build-dep>; edit <debian/rules> to taste; use <dpkg-buildpackage> to build the new .deb. For more details, also ask me about <package recompile> <backport> <nmg> <policy> <source package> |
| 11:55.25 | nkuttler | simplicius: add a source source, and then apt-get source <package> |
| 11:58.22 | simplicius | so I do apt-get source look |
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| 11:59.48 | nkuttler | simplicius: the package is not look |
| 11:59.54 | jelly-home | judd: file bin/look |
| 11:59.58 | abff | it's probably bsdmainutils |
| 12:00.00 | judd | Search for bin/look in buster/amd64: bsdmainutils: usr/bin/look; 9base: usr/lib/plan9/bin/look |
| 12:00.00 | nkuttler | simplicius: dpkg -S $(readlink -f $(which look)) |
| 12:00.19 | nkuttler | that's assuming you only have one installed though |
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| 12:00.44 | simplicius | bsdmainutils: /usr/bin/look |
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| 12:01.13 | abff | it's bsdmainutils |
| 12:03.47 | simplicius | so how can I download that specific utility? |
| 12:05.20 | jelly-home | simplicius: you grab the source for the whole package, it's a single source tree. |
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| 12:06.30 | simplicius | apt-get look bsdmainutils ? |
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| 12:06.53 | jelly-home | simplicius: the command to get source is apt-get source packagename |
| 12:06.59 | shtrb | Do I understand correctly , that If I need a dbus service to run it should have a file in /usr/share/dbus-1/services/ so that dbus could start it (and it does not matter if a system user service with similar name is already running ) ? |
| 12:07.06 | jelly-home | !deb-src |
| 12:07.06 | dpkg | You can have apt download the <source package> from which a <binary package> was compiled using a "deb-src" line in your <sources.list>. A line like "deb-src http://deb.debian.org/debian sid main" does NOT make any binary packages available. Ask me about <source> <package recompile> <ssb>; make sure the "build-essential" package is installed. You might need linux-headers-$(uname -r) package installed. |
| 12:07.19 | jelly-home | simplicius: ^ make sure youhave those enabled as well |
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| 12:14.24 | shtrb | sorry , my DE had crashed , did anyone answer about my dbus question ? |
| 12:14.44 | jelly | nope |
| 12:14.57 | shtrb | thanks jelly |
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| 13:21.41 | NetTerminalGene | i remember something like debian has some documentation for particular programs. which directory are they in? |
| 13:23.14 | nkuttler | NetTerminalGene: /usr/share/doc |
| 13:23.21 | jelly | NetTerminalGene: some tools have man pages. Some have info pages. Almost all packages have /usr/share/doc/packagename |
| 13:23.32 | jelly | !readme.debian |
| 13:23.32 | dpkg | README.Debian (or README.Debian.gz) is a document found in the /usr/share/doc/$packagename/ which explains any Debian specific details in the package's operation or configuration. |
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| 13:24.53 | NetTerminalGene | thanks |
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| 13:31.59 | shtrb | NetTerminalGene, also apropos to find stuff |
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| 13:43.55 | hegemoOn | hello there i have a very weird issue, i just rebooted several servers |
| 13:44.07 | hegemoOn | and one of them hasn't rebooted on the correct kernel |
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| 13:44.26 | hegemoOn | i was expecting 4.19.0.12 but uname -a reports 4.19.0.11 |
| 13:44.51 | hegemoOn | more surprising, dpkg -l doesnt report any 4.19.0.11 kernel package on the system |
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| 13:45.12 | hegemoOn | and vmlinuz is point on boot/vmlinuz-4.19.0.12-amd64 |
| 13:45.40 | hegemoOn | vmlinuz.old is pointing on vmlinuz-4.19.0.8-amd64 |
| 13:45.53 | hegemoOn | so from where this 4.19.0.11 suddenly appears ? |
| 13:46.08 | hegemoOn | even in grub.cfg there isnt any reference to such a kernel. |
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| 13:47.58 | hegemoOn | have you seen such strange even before ? |
| 13:49.05 | shtrb | wrong mount point booted ? |
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| 13:50.02 | hegemoOn | interesting, i have an lvm / |
| 13:50.18 | hegemoOn | in raid1 |
| 13:50.28 | hegemoOn | even for /boot |
| 13:50.39 | jelly | hegemoOn: physical or virtual machine? |
| 13:54.21 | hegemoOn | physical |
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| 13:56.15 | jelly | hegemoOn: pastebin the output of "uname -a" and "ls -la /boot" and "df" and "lsblk" |
| 13:56.19 | jelly | !paste |
| 13:56.19 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: https://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: https://imgbb.com/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): https://filebin.net or https://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <termbin>. |
| 13:56.57 | jelly | oh, and "cat /proc/mdstat" |
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| 13:59.59 | hegemoOn | sadly i cannot past |
| 14:00.24 | hegemoOn | blocked by corporate fw |
| 14:00.33 | jelly | can you screenshot? |
| 14:00.37 | hegemoOn | just tryed an update-grub |
| 14:00.39 | hegemoOn | yes will try |
| 14:01.02 | hegemoOn | i can |
| 14:01.04 | hegemoOn | :) |
| 14:01.16 | hegemoOn | wait for server rebooting |
| 14:01.36 | shtrb | you can base64 it , and upload it to paste.debian.net (for 1 hour for example) , we can then base64 decode the image |
| 14:02.01 | hegemoOn | well im homeoffice with citrix |
| 14:02.04 | hegemoOn | so i can screenshot |
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| 14:02.11 | hegemoOn | but not copy&paste |
| 14:02.25 | shtrb | screenshot -> ocr :D |
| 14:02.26 | hegemoOn | text from the citryx receiver |
| 14:02.30 | hegemoOn | shtrb::) |
| 14:02.39 | hegemoOn | (this looks like perl) |
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| 14:03.16 | hegemoOn | im waiting server to be back online (rebooted) takes some time to process all hp boot routines |
| 14:06.24 | hegemoOn | here it is https://ibb.co/pfksjp2 |
| 14:08.14 | hegemoOn | hum |
| 14:08.24 | hegemoOn | md0 seems to have only one member |
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| 14:17.13 | jelly | hegemoOn: your system booted from the outdated member disk, you're lucky it booted at all :-) |
| 14:17.50 | shtrb | how is that even possible ? shouldn't it just fail ? |
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| 14:18.26 | jelly | should what just fail? |
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| 14:19.15 | jelly | should grub fail to find block device? |
| 14:19.30 | jelly | for its root= ? |
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| 14:21.42 | hegemoOn | ok i fixed the raid |
| 14:21.51 | hegemoOn | and now it booted on 4.19.0.12 |
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| 14:23.14 | hegemoOn | thanks all for your helps :) |
| 14:23.19 | hegemoOn | jelly and shtrb |
| 14:23.50 | hegemoOn | will run a massive ansible cmd on whole plateform :) |
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| 14:23.54 | hegemoOn | to check raid status |
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| 14:27.09 | jelly | hegemoOn: mdadm package has a cron job that can notify you when an array is not in optimal state |
| 14:27.40 | jelly | it should be enabled by default, but perhaps you don't have cron or don't have mail delivery from servers |
| 14:28.41 | jelly | or add a check to your monitoring system setup for each system |
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| 14:32.59 | hegemoOn | yes will try to improve that, those setup are quite specific |
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| 14:33.08 | hegemoOn | so will liaise with client on this topic |
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| 15:17.18 | JordiGH | Are any of you running unstable? Blender on stable backports crashes on this file. I wonder if Blender from unstable also crashes. http://inversethought.com/jordi/tmp/gnu.blend |
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| 15:21.09 | Brigo | what hapenned with judd? |
| 15:22.56 | Brigo | JordiGH, just check for bugs. Sadly judd (a bot that you can use for checking bugs) is out of comision. |
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| 15:23.37 | Brigo | JordiGH, here: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?repeatmerged=no&src=blender |
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| 15:37.18 | epitamizor | I ran these commands...https://dpaste.org/vjCB but the pv isn't created |
| 15:37.49 | epitamizor | anyone know how to setup lvm volume from 3 diffrent partitions? |
| 15:40.59 | jelly | epitamizor: you have two issues here. First, don't format volumes to be used for PV in advance. Second, lvm avoids using loop devices by default, that's what lines 12-14 are saying. |
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| 15:41.32 | JordiGH | Brigo: My bug isn't there, do you see it? |
| 15:41.53 | JordiGH | Also, I don't really care if the BTS has the bug recorded. I just want to know if it's still there in unstable. |
| 15:42.35 | jelly | epitamizor: if you want to use those when trying things out, add loop devices to filter = in /etc/lvm/lvm.conf |
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| 15:43.09 | epitamizor | jelly, the loop devices were meant to restrict the volume size |
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| 15:43.46 | greycat | ... what |
| 15:44.18 | greycat | if you're trying to use only *part* of a disk in your LVM universe, just make partitions, and then use the partitions instead of the entire disk |
| 15:44.19 | jelly | epitamizor: lvm ignores devices named /dev/loop* as potential PVs, by default |
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| 15:46.05 | epitamizor | greycat, this is just a temporary measure though |
| 15:46.10 | JordiGH | Yeah, so any of you on unstable who could do me that favour? |
| 15:46.15 | JordiGH | Install blender, load that file. |
| 15:46.30 | jelly | !debian-next |
| 15:46.30 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also https://wiki.debian.org/IRC and https://wiki.debian.org/GettingHelpOnIrc |
| 15:46.49 | jelly | JordiGH: ^ -next will have more users on unstable |
| 15:46.53 | JordiGH | Fine, I'll bugger off somewhere else. |
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| 15:47.51 | jelly | good, but hopefully that specific elsewhere |
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| 15:58.05 | epitamizor | jelly, I added the directories to lvm.conf, but pvcreate is stating they are still not found? |
| 15:58.13 | jelly | epitamizor: directories? |
| 15:58.21 | jelly | not found? |
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| 15:58.54 | jelly | epitamizor: read at least the comments about filter = syntax |
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| 16:00.25 | epitamizor | jelly, I know, i got rid of the loop devices, and using pvcreate against the 'onegigvirtual' files |
| 16:00.51 | jelly | lvm tools work on block devices, not files |
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| 16:01.04 | jelly | you were on the right track with /dev/loop* |
| 16:01.14 | epitamizor | i used dd to create the block devices |
| 16:01.29 | jelly | no you didn't, you created files. |
| 16:01.48 | jelly | files and block devs behave differently |
| 16:01.57 | jelly | that's why /dev/loop* exists at all |
| 16:02.31 | epitamizor | oh, so use the other path associated with the loop |
| 16:03.41 | jelly | if you created a file and named it /dev/sdc it still would not work |
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| 16:10.50 | JordiGH | Hm, so apparently unstable blender doesn't crash. |
| 16:10.57 | JordiGH | I guess I could attempt my own backport. |
| 16:11.44 | JordiGH | What was the bot command to check if a backport was feasible? |
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| 16:12.42 | jelly | ,checkbackport |
| 16:12.53 | jelly | jud... $#@%^^ |
| 16:13.08 | greycat | who stole judd |
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| 16:15.14 | alex11 | maybe it needs an argument? |
| 16:15.20 | alex11 | ,checkbackport systemd |
| 16:15.27 | greycat | no, the bot is not here |
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| 16:16.42 | shtrb | Normally what should be done with seccomp (firefox ) violations ? and how to fix it ? |
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| 16:20.32 | jelly | ,checkbackport |
| 16:20.33 | judd | (checkbackport <packagename> [--fromrelease <sid>] [--torelease <stable>] [--arch <amd64>] [--verbose]) -- Check that the build-dependencies listed by a package in the release specified as "fromrelease" are satisfiable for in "torelease" for the given host architecture. By default, a backport from unstable to the current stable release and amd64 are used. |
| 16:22.03 | shtrb | jelly, was that for me ? |
| 16:24.17 | jelly | no, someone asked for the bot command that checks whether a backport is doable |
| 16:24.41 | shtrb | oh thanks |
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| 16:35.34 | epitamizor | jelly, the top of man page says the pvcreate can create against loop devices |
| 16:35.57 | epitamizor | jelly, so what is the issue with it not being found? |
| 16:37.39 | jelly | epitamizor: you need to make lvm accept loop devices to add them to a VG |
| 16:37.59 | jelly | epitamizor: did you add them to filter = in lvm.conf? |
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| 16:40.38 | epitamizor | jelly, ya, but now im gettin https://dpaste.org/89az |
| 16:44.01 | jelly | epitamizor: apparently you did not use correct syntax for filter = |
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| 16:44.47 | jelly | there are several examples in lvm.conf |
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| 16:47.54 | epitamizor | not sure what the issue is, is there some other way to setup that? |
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| 16:49.00 | epitamizor | all i need to setup is a quota on a file within each partion and aggregate the files to write too |
| 16:51.07 | jelly | epitamizor: show your lvm.conf |
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| 16:54.26 | epitamizor | https://dpaste.org/LAZ2 |
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| 16:57.06 | jelly | epitamizor: there can only be one filter = line |
| 16:57.41 | jelly | you could leave just line 137 uncommented, if you do not use LVM otherwise |
| 17:00.17 | epitamizor | tried running pvcreate with just the one line and only 137 line, but same error is showing |
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| 17:03.41 | epitamizor | ran vgscan also and no change |
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| 17:07.39 | jelly | epitamizor: well, I don't see how you could get the same error if the only filter setting is the one on line 137. |
| 17:08.13 | jelly | epitamizor: can you filter out all the comments and show just the uncommented lines? |
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| 17:08.44 | epitamizor | ya i had a script that does that |
| 17:10.27 | jelly | epitamizor: grep -nvE $'^[ \t]*#|^$' /etc/lvm/lvm.conf |
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| 17:20.49 | JordiGH | ,checkbackport blender |
| 17:20.57 | judd | Backporting package blender in sidâbuster/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: debhelper-compat (= 13). |
| 17:21.24 | JordiGH | ;_; |
| 17:21.43 | JordiGH | Maybe there's an app image or something. |
| 17:21.57 | alex11 | it's definitely in flatpak |
| 17:22.05 | alex11 | which is probably easier than backporting |
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| 17:35.31 | epitamizor | jelly, https://dpaste.org/99PC |
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| 17:48.51 | jelly | epi... okay. |
| 17:48.56 | Sayori3 | Hi |
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| 18:30.20 | smashgrab | General question: Is it better to install gnome-shell extensions from debian repo or from extensions.gnome.org? |
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| 18:30.49 | Fromhell | hallo |
| 18:30.58 | Fromhell | some one can help |
| 18:31.02 | sney | !what |
| 18:31.03 | dpkg | What package are you having trouble with? What did you do? What happened? What did you expect to happen? |
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| 18:31.17 | Fromhell | https://paste.debian.net/1172742/ |
| 18:31.53 | sney | smashgrab: debian packages will have security updates, if relevant. I would use the debian packages except if you need an extension that isn't packaged. |
| 18:32.47 | quadrathoch2 | smashgrab I would rather grab the debian ones, as they get updated through apt, extensions.gnome.org you would need to remember to regularly check yourself |
| 18:33.22 | smashgrab | I was hoping there was some oversight on the debian packaged ones and not just an old version with no intervention. Sounds like there is. |
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| 18:33.53 | smashgrab | thx |
| 18:34.14 | jmcnaught | Fromhell: "Error loading certificates from /etc/cockpit/ws-certs.d: Error opening directory ?/etc/cockpit/ws-ceâ¦" |
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| 18:35.19 | Fromhell | jmcnaught what i must do |
| 18:35.46 | sney | Fromhell: what have you done so far? and what is your goal? |
| 18:36.34 | jmcnaught | Fromhell: there seems to be documentation about TLS certificates in "man cockpit-ws" |
| 18:36.44 | Fromhell | root@fromhell:/etc# systemctl stop cockpit |
| 18:36.44 | Fromhell | Warning: Stopping cockpit.service, but it can still be activated by: |
| 18:36.44 | Fromhell | cockpit.socket |
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| 18:40.35 | Fromhell | jmcnaught ? |
| 18:42.05 | jmcnaught | Fromhell: socket units listen on a socket or port and will start the associated service unit when accessed. You can read about that here, but it is unrelated to your certificates issue: http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/socket-activation.html |
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| 18:44.11 | jmcnaught | Fromhell: the original error from your paste indicates that the cockpit web service is having trouble accessing certificates in /etc/cockpit/ws-certs.d/ which could be because they do not exist, or a permission error. I only briefly glanced at "man cockpit-ws", did you take a look? |
| 18:44.21 | shtrb | Do I understand correctly , that If I need a dbus service to run it should have a file in /usr/share/dbus-1/services/ so that dbus could start it, and it does not matter if a system user service with similar name is already running ? |
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| 18:54.59 | RhineDevil | Could someone backport wine 5.0? Seems every dependency it needs is backported already |
| 18:55.31 | Fromhell | jmcnaught yes i look |
| 18:57.02 | alex11 | winehq maintains a repository for it |
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| 19:01.48 | quadrathoch2 | RhineDevil as alex11 said, just use the winehq repository. |
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| 19:03.50 | scruloose | You know what turns out to be surprisingly hard? Capturing process info for a short-lived process based only on its name & PID appearing in the free text part of journald entries :/ |
| 19:04.03 | RhineDevil | quadrathoch2, alex11 that's one more reason for keeping it updated if someone already does the packaging for you |
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| 19:04.57 | alex11 | i'm not sure where to request backports |
| 19:05.24 | jmcnaught | scruloose: I was thinking about your problem yesterday and found "atop" which seems to have a daemon that records processes. I have not used it myself though. |
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| 19:06.37 | scruloose | jmcnaught: Thanks; I did eventually hack together something that worked. I was just ... rather surprised at how much advanced shell trickery was involved. |
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| 19:07.44 | RhineDevil | me neither alex11 |
| 19:09.23 | shtrb | jmcnaught, by any chance you or any other person have a clue about the relation of user services for dbus services ? |
| 19:09.46 | jmcnaught | shtrb: not really, what are you trying to do? |
| 19:10.17 | scruloose | What worked was using journalctl -f to get live updates, pipe that into a monstrous grep regex to isolate the PID, pipe that into a while read loop which does a mkdir "$pid"; cp /proc/"$pid"/status "$pid" ... |
| 19:10.43 | shtrb | Trying to understand why dbus services (in packages) exist both in /usr/share/dbus-1/services and in /etc/systemd/user/ (buleseye ) |
| 19:10.45 | scruloose | All of which doesn't do anything useful until you figure out how to disable buffering for the whole pipeline |
| 19:10.58 | shtrb | jmcnaught , Trying to understand why dbus services (in packages) exist both in /usr/share/dbus-1/services and in /etc/systemd/user/ (buleseye ) |
| 19:11.12 | greycat | scruloose: easiest way is to drop the grep and use the shell to do the parsing |
| 19:11.32 | greycat | but sure, if you're married to grep, you can find an option to turn off grep's buffered output |
| 19:12.21 | scruloose | In related news, today I learned that launching bash with stdbuf gives you a shell in which all commands inherit those stdbuf options. |
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| 19:13.06 | scruloose | greycat: Huh! I... didn't know you could do that kind of parsing in the shell itself. |
| 19:13.52 | scruloose | bash is *weird* |
| 19:14.09 | shtrb | you just need use some perl ,and everything would be great |
| 19:14.18 | greycat | Depends on the input. If it's field-oriented, you can just use "read" to grab the field you want. If you need a regex with capturing, bash has those too. |
| 19:14.37 | greycat | Or, yes, you could use perl instead. |
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| 19:17.08 | Fromhell | jmcnaught not hekp me , same mistake |
| 19:17.29 | shtrb | scruloose, Perl is just the tool for text based parsing , next in my opnion are awk , grep , sed and python |
| 19:17.39 | scruloose | The perl approach suffers from the drawback that I don't know *any* perl. |
| 19:17.52 | ratrace | sufficiently advanced perl oneliners are indistinguishable from magick. |
| 19:17.59 | greycat | bash is adequate here, as long as you aren't processing *too* many lines |
| 19:18.04 | greycat | not great, but it'll do |
| 19:18.38 | shtrb | scruloose, then stick to what you feel comfortable to , really complex stuff can be done by grep , sed and awk |
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| 19:19.42 | scruloose | Luckily, the number of lines involved in this little project is like 20 (not counting duplicates) |
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| 19:22.15 | jmcnaught | shtrb: I do not know a lot about this, but I was just reading https://stackoverflow.com/questions/31702465/how-to-define-a-d-bus-activated-systemd-service and it looks like you need to use SystemdService= in the [D-BUS Service] and in the systemd service unit set Type=dbus and use BusName= |
| 19:22.55 | jmcnaught | Fromhell: I do not know what you tried. |
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| 19:24.15 | shtrb | jmcnaught, what I do not understand is WHY the user unit service is required |
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| 19:25.57 | scruloose | As it turns out, the mystery processes triggering my automounts ("pool" and (gvfs-udisks2-vo") both have PPID 3141, whose name is systemd according to /proc/3141/status |
| 19:27.04 | scruloose | All of which leads me to suspect that if I can configure a blacklist, it'll be somewhere in XFCE's gvfs settings. |
| 19:27.24 | jmcnaught | shtrb: so it can be managed by "systemctl --user â¦"? |
| 19:27.26 | shtrb | jmcnaught, I used this https://linoxide.com/how-tos/d-bus-ipc-mechanism-linux/ to understand how stuff should be done in the proper way |
| 19:27.53 | shtrb | jmcnaught, but why would anyone would like to use it if it's activated on demand by dbus ? |
| 19:28.55 | greycat | "on demand" is one of the big design goals for systemd |
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| 19:29.03 | scruloose | though that might be only half the problem, if "pool" is, like, built-in systemd stuff. |
| 19:29.17 | alex11 | what package name is go in debian, golang? |
| 19:29.18 | shtrb | if I have org.foo.bar service , why would a user (what flow) would like to start such a service ? |
| 19:29.28 | alex11 | nvm |
| 19:29.30 | alex11 | yes it is |
| 19:29.43 | greycat | shtrb: we can't possibly guess what the service does from that name |
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| 19:30.26 | shtrb | greycat, that was in the context of the dbus question , I try to understand why would anyone like to start manually something that is activated by dbus |
| 19:31.01 | ratrace | shtrb: are you confusing the existence of a service unit with an intent to start it "manually"? |
| 19:31.21 | shtrb | ratrace, probably |
| 19:33.17 | scruloose | shtrb: systemd services are often triggered automatically by timer units, socket units, all sorts of mechanisms that are part of systemd... |
| 19:33.22 | ratrace | dbus activation is just one of ways to start a program (a "service") and have it managed by SD |
| 19:34.24 | shtrb | oh , sorry for my stupidity , timers and sockets to trigger, I was very dbus centric thinking about it |
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| 19:35.08 | scruloose | shtrb: not stupid. There's a *lot* of complexity in systemd. |
| 19:36.03 | shtrb | thanks jmcnaught , scruloose , ratrace , greycat |
| 19:36.31 | shtrb | wow sorry , I will not mention nicks anymore :-( |
| 19:37.30 | ratrace | scruloose: I think you meant to say functionality (and complexity as one of consequences) |
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| 19:38.02 | scruloose | shtrb: um? It didn't cause anything annoying to happen on my end... |
| 19:38.30 | shtrb | join me at #debian-offtopic , I don't wish to get banned all of a sudden |
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| 19:40.15 | scruloose | ratrace: you're not wrong. But damn, it presents some learning curve. |
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| 19:41.29 | ratrace | that it does. |
| 19:42.23 | ratrace | but it's worth learning. the functionality it provides, the way it provides, is currently without an alternative in GNU/Linux world |
| 19:44.19 | scruloose | ratrace: Oh, it's true. I'm constantly impressed with the things it makes possible, and even easy, once you learn enough of its paradigm and language to get going... |
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| 19:46.05 | scruloose | It wasn't meant as an anti-systemd comment, just acknowledging that seeing how the many interlocking parts of systemd work is... not obvious or easy at first |
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| 20:14.38 | n4dir | assuming you need that functionality |
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| 20:30.38 | ratrace | well I, for one, do. |
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| 20:53.43 | scruloose | Update: i haven't tested this yet, but I suspect that the background polling processes hammering my automount may be a side-effect of locating the automount under /media (which I *did* have a reason for, I swear) |
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| 21:36.03 | unixbsd | mkfs.ext2 -cc /dev/da0s2 works on freebsd, it crashed on raspbian. cool news. I can now format. |
| 21:37.31 | sney | the "no, seriously" bad blocks test is too much for the pi, eh? |
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| 22:19.39 | maxrazer | Has anyone tried zpaq and lzip compression? |
| 22:20.00 | maxrazer | offtopic |
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| 22:21.19 | jhutchins | maxrazer: I'd rate that as marginal, and it's not like you're overwriting a heavy troubleshooting session. |
| 22:21.32 | jhutchins | maxrazer: I think lzip has been around for a while. |
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| 22:35.33 | alex11 | i'm trying to compile https://git.sr.ht/~sircmpwn/aerc and i get this error despite go being installed from backports https://paste.debian.net/1172766/ |
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| 22:36.28 | alex11 | i see they have a help channel; i'll ask there instead |
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| 22:36.38 | sney | alex11: looks like the 'go' binary isn't in your path? |
| 22:36.54 | sney | this can pretty much only mean one thing: /bin/sh: 1: go: not found |
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| 22:37.22 | alex11 | well, i installed golang-1.13 from apt |
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| 22:38.00 | sney | and did it give you a 'go' command? |
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| 22:38.06 | sney | ,file bin/go |
| 22:38.06 | darkdrgn2k3 | im tryuing to get repeating-paylod working with iperf3 |
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| 22:38.10 | judd | Search for bin/go in buster/amd64: gccgo-go: usr/bin/go; golang-go: usr/bin/go; golang-1.11-go: usr/lib/go-1.11/bin/go |
| 22:38.24 | sney | alex11: ^ |
| 22:38.30 | alex11 | doesn't seem to |
| 22:38.34 | alex11 | not sure how to get it |
| 22:38.40 | darkdrgn2k3 | i installed "iperf3_3.9-1_amd64.deb." but still says its unrecognized even though MAN page shows " --repeating-payload |
| 22:38.40 | darkdrgn2k3 | " |
| 22:38.54 | alex11 | ii golang-1.13-go |
| 22:39.00 | alex11 | so i have that |
| 22:39.33 | sney | alex11: ok, so you see that path in judd's message? you'll need to put that in your PATH variable or maybe call it directly |
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| 22:40.16 | alex11 | is it a bug that something installed via apt isn't in my path? |
| 22:40.48 | sney | the go team probably has a reason to package it that way. |
| 22:41.04 | sney | you might check the changelog or readme.debian for more info |
| 22:41.06 | sney | !readme.debian |
| 22:41.06 | dpkg | README.Debian (or README.Debian.gz) is a document found in the /usr/share/doc/$packagename/ which explains any Debian specific details in the package's operation or configuration. |
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| 22:41.59 | alex11 | it doesn't, annoyingly |
| 22:42.11 | alex11 | i'll send them an email i guess |
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| 23:07.52 | scruloose | Confirmed: Moving systemd-managed automount location from /media to /mnt without changing anything else makes the frequent polling by "pool" and gvfs go away. |
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| 23:39.55 | clausen | does anyone know if there are any Debian packages that contain a keyring of keys for other GNU/Linux distributions such as Fedora? |
| 23:40.29 | greycat | why would you trust such a thing, if it existed? |
| 23:41.09 | sney | ,i ubuntu-archive-keyring |
| 23:41.11 | judd | Package ubuntu-archive-keyring (misc, optional) in buster/amd64: GnuPG keys of the Ubuntu archive - transition package. Version: 2018.09.18.1-5; Size: 7.3k; Installed: 16k; Homepage: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-keyring |
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| 23:41.39 | sney | unlikely that there's anything non-debian-related though. |
| 23:41.40 | clausen | Thanks Judd, I found that one, but not any others |
| 23:41.53 | alex11 | judd's a bot |
| 23:41.53 | clausen | (or thanks Sney, if Judd is a bot...) |
| 23:42.00 | clausen | just figured that out, thanks :) |
| 23:42.39 | sney | this seems to be what there is https://paste.debian.net/1172774/ |
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| 23:43.35 | clausen | sney, that's what I found on my own, but I thought I'd double check :) |
| 23:44.52 | clausen | greycat, for the same reason (and to the same extent) I'd trust any Debian package |
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| 23:46.14 | clausen | although I think apt / yum / dnf infrastructure is poorly designed, and too easy to attack |
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| 23:56.39 | alex11 | so my problem doesn't seem to exist with golang from buster-backports |
| 23:56.48 | alex11 | it was just the golang-1.13 package that was causing issues |
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| 23:57.21 | alex11 | now i have other problems, but that, i'll ask the actual support channel for aerc |
| 23:57.42 | alex11 | also the one in backports is 1.14 |
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