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| 00:17.14 | TheMoltenJack | Hi everyone, I have a quick question. I'm trying to increase the max number of open files for a single user on raspbianOS, I set the new hard and soft limits on /etc/security/limits.conf (the max number for the system in /proc/sys/fs/file-max is set as higher than the hard limit I'm trying to set for the user), but even after a reboot it's not working. What am I doing wrong? |
| 00:18.11 | sney | !raspbian |
| 00:18.11 | dpkg | Raspberry Pi OS (previously called Raspbian) is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian (or #raspberrypi) on irc.freenode.net for support. https://www.raspbian.org/ |
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| 00:18.51 | TheMoltenJack | Ok, thanks. Sorry for the misunderstanding |
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| 08:10.49 | jelly | nobyk: what is? Raspbian? Yes, the bot mentions that. |
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| 09:48.07 | random1 | Hey why is most of my files/folders missing on my desktop? The only way i can view all of them is if i open up a seperate folder in ~/home/Desktop/ then I can see everything. Extremely confused on this |
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| 09:49.23 | diogenes_ | random1, gnome? |
| 09:49.30 | random1 | yeah Ubuntu |
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| 09:50.04 | diogenes_ | but this is Debian chan :) |
| 09:50.12 | random1 | :( everyone else is asleep lol |
| 09:50.32 | random1 | Last thing i need to fix at 3:49am. Just want to go to bed :( |
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| 09:51.12 | jelly | you don't need files on desktop while you're in bed, go to sleep |
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| 09:51.24 | random1 | Dont have time to handle this tomorrow |
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| 09:51.36 | random1 | tomorrow is TCP/IP all day. lol |
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| 09:52.03 | jelly | also, ask the people who might actually know something about your platform |
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| 09:52.14 | random1 | yeah.. i get it |
| 09:52.39 | random1 | I figured since it was Debian yall might help with Ubuntu |
| 09:52.48 | diogenes_ | or switch to Debian with Xfce. |
| 09:53.01 | jelly | random1: we explicitely do NOT do that, to avoid the channel being swamped by ubuntu users |
| 09:53.12 | random1 | I mean its an offspring of Debian lol. Figured as my distant distro cousins you might help ;) |
| 09:53.17 | jelly | !based on debian |
| 09:53.17 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 09:53.53 | random1 | Thanks jelly. Your so helpful :D ! |
| 09:53.53 | jelly | we might. Anyone willing to help is free to join #ubuntu or #ubuntu-server and help you OVER THERE |
| 09:53.57 | random1 | Have a goodnight |
| 09:54.02 | random1 | yeah go fuckyourself |
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| 09:54.58 | diogenes_ | these teenagers shee.sh |
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| 10:15.09 | iomintz | i'm using ufw on debian 10. i have a rule that reads: allow in to any proto tcp port 10022. i have ufw default reject incoming set, and ufw enabled. i have a process listening on 0.0.0.0:10022 according to `netstat -tlpn`. however, when i ssh -p 10022 io@hostname, it times out |
| 10:15.10 | bezaban | wake me up when september ends |
| 10:15.18 | iomintz | bezaban: it has though |
| 10:15.28 | bezaban | iomintz: it never did, but -> ot :) |
| 10:15.37 | iomintz | unless you mean sept 2021 |
| 10:16.03 | bezaban | nope, September 1993 |
| 10:16.28 | iomintz | lol |
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| 10:18.23 | bezaban | iomintz: is that a ssh process? |
| 10:18.43 | iomintz | bezaban: yeah it is |
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| 10:19.07 | bezaban | iomintz: do you see the connection in the logs. Can you verify the port is open with nmap -Pn -p10022 |
| 10:19.16 | iomintz | this dumb ssh daemon doesn't log shit |
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| 10:19.41 | iomintz | bezaban: filtered |
| 10:20.00 | bezaban | iomintz: any special routing? |
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| 10:20.16 | bezaban | and does it work if you drop the firewall |
| 10:20.31 | iomintz | by "drop the firewall" do you mean ufw disable |
| 10:20.49 | bezaban | yeah, probably. Don't know ufw very well. What does the iptables rule look like |
| 10:21.00 | iomintz | it still says filtered if i do that |
| 10:21.30 | bezaban | what is the network topology like? |
| 10:21.35 | iomintz | bezaban: how do i show all my iptables rules? ufw has a lot of files |
| 10:21.45 | bezaban | iptables -L -n -v |
| 10:22.10 | bezaban | and can you try explicitly doing v4 if you have multi stack |
| 10:22.18 | iomintz | bezaban: ISP <-> one ethernet connection <-> VM host box <-> 3 virtual network interfaces <-> my VM |
| 10:22.38 | iomintz | v4 of what |
| 10:23.27 | iomintz | https://0x0.st/i5ez.txt |
| 10:23.40 | bezaban | oh, so there is a vm networking in the mix. That's likely where your issue is. You'd need to go over your host networking. Start out with something you know works well, like icmp |
| 10:23.55 | iomintz | i can ping the VM |
| 10:24.11 | iomintz | for the record i can also ssh in to the VM |
| 10:24.15 | iomintz | and access websites on the VM |
| 10:24.25 | iomintz | over the internet |
| 10:24.40 | bezaban | ah, right. So that special daemon might be at fault then. Does it work on localhost |
| 10:24.48 | iomintz | yes |
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| 10:26.59 | bezaban | see if it works with something else listening, like nc |
| 10:27.04 | iomintz | it doesn't |
| 10:28.27 | iomintz | and if i do ufw allow in to any proto tcp port 10122, nmap -Pn -p 10122 still reports filtered |
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| 10:35.37 | shtrb | [testing][cross posting (already asked few hours ago at debian-next, no answer there] Is there a different way to put logs for bluetooth ( /usr/libexec/bluetooth/bluetoothd -d) ? I have an odd issue - when I work without debug mode I get an error , when I open debug mode the error is gone (and everything seem to work as expected) |
| 10:35.57 | iomintz | bezaban: any ideas? |
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| 10:40.08 | bezaban | iomintz: I'd poke around the host networking, depending on how that is set up you could have a missing or bad DNAT / masquerade, or bridge filtering. Potentically an asymmetric routing situation (but less probable if traffic is flowing that same path). tcpdump on the host might give you some pointers to where the traffic stops. |
| 10:40.44 | iomintz | bezaban: i don't have root access on the host |
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| 10:41.00 | bezaban | iomintz: well that's annoying then |
| 10:42.26 | hwm4rgs | "For Debian 9 stretch, these problems have been fixed in version 1:0.0~git20170407.0.55a552f+REALLY.0.0~git20161012.0.5f31782-1+deb8u1." - Are version numbers like this common in Debian land? |
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| 10:42.51 | shtrb | no |
| 10:43.38 | shtrb | but exceptions can happen , normally the version is shorter |
| 10:44.17 | hwm4rgs | I'd like to know about the "REALLY" part, when is that inserted and why? |
| 10:45.13 | hwm4rgs | Is it just to provide an older version with compatibility backported as a more recent version to satisfy dependency tools? |
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| 10:46.53 | jelly | hwm4rgs: version numbers in Debian can't go backwards, but sometimes a newer version of software is so buggy that older has to be provided instead |
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| 10:48.05 | jelly | package maintainers sometimes work around the requirement for monotonically increasing versions by using 3+really.2 |
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| 10:48.28 | jelly | other times, they use |
| 10:48.30 | jelly | !epoch |
| 10:48.30 | dpkg | [epoch] a fixed point in a chronology or the start of an era. For example, y2k was a 2 digit year epoch. In Unix, epoch often refers to the time from which seconds are counted; epoch was is Jan 1 1970 and we will run out of 32 bit numbers for this on Jan 18 2038 (by which time we will have hopefully all migrated to 64-bit architectures). An epoch can also be used to help manage version numbering in Debian; ask me about <version epoch>. |
| 10:48.36 | jelly | !version epoch |
| 10:48.36 | dpkg | The version number of a package has a prepended number called the "epoch". It is only added when the system for upstream version numbers changes. Example: in sarge, X was version 6.8 but in etch it was 1.1 (xfree86->xorg). But 1 < 6, so we add an epoch "2:" to signify that everything with 2: is newer (if there is no : the epoch is assumed to be "0"). See section 5.6.12 of <policy> or ask me about <compare versions> <debian revision>. |
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| 10:50.46 | hwm4rgs | So in this case, with the REALLY, the 20170407 version was released, and then rollbacked to 20161012 by appending to the version number due to issues instead of bumping epoch |
| 10:52.11 | hwm4rgs | Can I assume that both version numbers are actual representations of the shipped code? As in, the shipped code is the git commit 5f31782 and 55a552f was the previously released faulty commit? |
| 10:52.28 | hwm4rgs | Or is there a possibility of backported/cherrypicked/modified code |
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| 11:01.51 | jelly | hwm4rgs: presumably the code in the package matches upstream 5f31782 (and 0.0~git20161012.0. is fake version number for the reader to more easily figure out how old that git commit was) |
| 11:02.02 | jelly | hwm4rgs: yes |
| 11:02.47 | jelly | hwm4rgs: and there's always some backported/cherrypicked/modified code involved with security fixes. |
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| 11:05.20 | hwm4rgs | Right, but it's based at the upstream hash expressed and then debian stuff on top of that. |
| 11:06.13 | jelly | hwm4rgs: and it's weird that the debian lts team bumped the fixed version for _stretch_ with +deb8u1 suffix instead of +deb9u1 |
| 11:06.23 | jelly | hwm4rgs: yes. |
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| 11:10.22 | tramplefoot | what does the ".directory" file in the desktop folder do? |
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| 11:11.53 | jelly | tramplefoot: looking at the contents, it appears it sets the icon different from other directories, presumably the icon is visible in a GUI file manager |
| 11:12.31 | jelly | I'm guessing. Haven't used a file manager in a while. |
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| 11:28.42 | quadrathoch2 | iomintz did you fix your issue? |
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| 12:36.33 | iomintz_ | quadrathoch2: no |
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| 12:37.01 | iomintz_ | quadrathoch2: the sysadmin of the host is asleep. it runs Proxmox. i have unprivileged access so if you have any diagnostic commands i could run i'd appreciate that |
| 12:37.34 | quadrathoch2 | iomintz_ as you are running ufw, did you make sure that buster is running iptables? as ufw doesn't support nftables |
| 12:37.54 | iomintz_ | how do i check |
| 12:38.08 | iomintz_ | apt show iptables reports APT-Manual-Installed: yes |
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| 12:38.31 | quadrathoch2 | did you ever do this (the few commands on top?) https://wiki.debian.org/iptables |
| 12:39.04 | iomintz_ | you want me to switch to legacy right? |
| 12:39.10 | quadrathoch2 | iomintz_ and for the future, look into firewalld, as ufw is deprecated (as the author said he will never port it to nftables) |
| 12:39.13 | quadrathoch2 | yes |
| 12:40.14 | iomintz_ | update-alternatives: error: alternative /usr/sbin/arptables-legacy for arptables not registered; not setting |
| 12:40.18 | iomintz_ | same for ebtables-legacy |
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| 12:41.40 | quadrathoch2 | iomintz_ that should be fine |
| 12:41.57 | quadrathoch2 | i'm not 100% sure if you need to reboot after the change :/ |
| 12:42.11 | iomintz_ | nbd |
| 12:42.21 | quadrathoch2 | sounds like you don't |
| 12:42.25 | iomintz_ | :\ |
| 12:42.27 | iomintz_ | i just did |
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| 12:42.49 | quadrathoch2 | is it that bad to reboot? ;) (once in a while) |
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| 12:47.11 | knob | Good morning all o/ |
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| 12:48.06 | knob | I downloaded Buster and copied the .iso over to a USB drive. Booted a workstation I have and the Debian installer started perfectly. I am using the "regular" installer, not the "graphical" version. |
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| 12:48.35 | knob | I get stuck when I reach the window titled Detect and mount CD-ROM. It throws a message stating "Cannot read removable media, or no drivers found." |
| 12:48.58 | knob | Is there a way I can by-pass this? Shouldn't all the data be inside the USB drive? I've got no need for the CD-ROM |
| 12:49.31 | quadrathoch2 | knob CD-ROM means reading the usb stick (for content) in this particular case |
| 12:50.08 | knob | quadrathoch2, oh |
| 12:50.31 | quadrathoch2 | knob as the image can still be burned on a cd/dvd ;) |
| 12:50.32 | knob | Well... in that case... what do you think I could do? I mean, isn't the system already reading the USB stick? |
| 12:50.40 | knob | quadrathoch2, yes, that makes sense. |
| 12:50.52 | iomintz_ | after enabling systemd-networkd how do i go back to using the debian default |
| 12:50.56 | jelly | knob: how precisely did you copy the iso image over to the usb stick? |
| 12:50.56 | quadrathoch2 | knob as I never had that issue, I can't really help you with that :/ |
| 12:51.36 | knob | jelly, downloaded the .iso, then used a Windows10 machine and the program "Rufus" to copy it over to the USB. I believe it's working properly, as it booted fine on the to-be Debian workstation |
| 12:51.44 | knob | quadrathoch2, all good. Thank you |
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| 12:51.55 | jelly | knob: this often happens if the iso image was munged in some way, eg. using a tool like unetbootin or etcher or, I believe, Rufus |
| 12:52.34 | jelly | knob: can you ask rufus to write the image directly on the whole usb, without making any changes, overwriting the whole usb and its partition table? |
| 12:52.43 | jelly | if unsure, use this to write it |
| 12:52.49 | jelly | !win32diskimager |
| 12:52.49 | dpkg | win32diskimager is much more reliable than <unetbootin> for copying ISO images to USB sticks and you can download it from http://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ . Adjust the file mask from *.img to *.* if it doesn't show Debian .iso images. See <usb install> and <install debian> for further details. |
| 12:52.57 | knob | jelly, I believe so. Let me re-try. I always do it from my other Debian machines using dd |
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| 12:53.13 | quadrathoch2 | knob look for the dd option (when you press start there should be a popup) |
| 12:53.22 | iomintz_ | knob: have fun installing and setting up a new machine =) |
| 12:53.55 | quadrathoch2 | iomintz_ does it work now? |
| 12:54.33 | quadrathoch2 | iomintz_ disable networkd, and then enable the service for ifup |
| 12:55.08 | iomintz_ | quadrathoch2: yeah i disabled networkd but was wondering what i need to enable for ifup |
| 12:55.52 | quadrathoch2 | normally sth like ifup@eth0.service |
| 12:58.33 | iomintz_ | quadrathoch2: ifup@ens18 has no installation config |
| 12:59.08 | quadrathoch2 | iomintz_ what does /etc/network/interfaces say? |
| 12:59.13 | quadrathoch2 | (paste.debian.net) |
| 12:59.38 | iomintz_ | i'm gonna have to censor that for opsec concerns |
| 13:00.41 | quadrathoch2 | sure, just put the relevant info in |
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| 13:02.40 | iomintz_ | quadrathoch2: wait i don't see how this is related to the contents of my ifup configuration |
| 13:03.00 | iomintz_ | systemd was complaining that ifup@.service has no relevant entries in its [Install] section for me to enable ifup@ens18 |
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| 13:09.12 | quadrathoch2 | iomintz ahh, sorry. so make sure networking.service is running |
| 13:09.29 | iomintz | thank you |
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| 13:26.34 | strk | I'd like to synchronize my ~/Maildir across multiple machines, to be able to read/write mail from any machine and see the results of that (including read/unread flags, moving mails between folders etc) across all nodes |
| 13:26.40 | strk | do you have suggestions for doing that ? |
| 13:27.01 | strk | so far I've been using unison to simply synchronize the whole Maildir, but it has serious memory issues |
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| 13:32.45 | shtrb | same location , or a roaming one , because if same location an NFS might be an option |
| 13:34.12 | strk | I want copies, not just access |
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| 13:39.28 | shtrb | I wish to say bit torrent but there would be a problem that you would need to update the tracker each time |
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| 13:42.11 | nkuttler | strk: sounds like you want to run an imapd and sync with that |
| 13:42.39 | shtrb | but imap approach would be better |
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| 14:08.15 | iliv | how can I tell is Debian system is an LTS one? |
| 14:08.25 | iliv | how can I tell if a * |
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| 14:09.41 | quadrathoch2 | iliv https://wiki.debian.org/LTS |
| 14:10.01 | alex11 | debian doesn't have lts specific versions |
| 14:10.04 | quadrathoch2 | just check which debian version you are running |
| 14:10.09 | alex11 | only ones that attain that status after a certain time period |
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| 14:10.27 | iliv | does that mean than current stable will automatically become LTS in the future? |
| 14:10.31 | alex11 | yes |
| 14:10.34 | quadrathoch2 | yep |
| 14:10.36 | iliv | and we as users don't have to do anything for that? |
| 14:10.48 | iliv | no need to install debian-security-support? |
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| 14:11.17 | alex11 | you get full support for the old stable version for one year after current stable releases, then LTS (only for select packages) for however many years that is |
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| 14:24.43 | RhineDevil | in https://wiki.debian.org/PbuilderTricks a script is set for building for different distributions. Let's say I want to build for ubuntu, what should I write in pbuilder? |
| 14:24.51 | strk | nkuttler: I am running an imapd already |
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| 14:25.12 | strk | so you think mbsync would be the way to go ? |
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| 14:31.00 | ratrace | strk: if you deliver to the imapd like dovecot via lmtp, dovecot has replication capabilities |
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| 14:53.56 | AndreasLutro | my xorg seems be having issues. windows keep flickering between the current and previous state. i.e. I change tabs in chrome, the old tab flickers on and off for a second or two. I type something into my terminal, the letters randomly disappear in a similar fashion. guessing this is an xorg bug of some sort but is there anything I can do to troubleshoot? debian stable, i3wm, startx, no dm |
| 14:57.13 | ratrace | AndreasLutro: more likely gpu driver issues |
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| 14:59.49 | AndreasLutro | hmm. I'll try tweaking xorg.conf for intel |
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| 15:00.45 | shtrb | try tear down |
| 15:01.38 | ratrace | AndreasLutro: tweaking what. You don't even know what the issue is. You say that's intel gpu. Do you have firmware installed? |
| 15:02.39 | shtrb | AndreasLutro, here is mine http://paste.debian.net/1172865/ for intel |
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| 15:06.51 | AndreasLutro | ratrace: yes I do, I've got a bunch of stuff in my custom xorg.conf, like TearFree and VSync. I'll try toggling them to see which one is the culprit |
| 15:07.06 | AndreasLutro | thanks for the pointer! |
| 15:08.02 | jelly | iliv: you do want to install debian-security-support to be notified when an installed package loses security support |
| 15:08.46 | jelly | AndreasLutro: you got a compositor in that mix? |
| 15:08.50 | jelly | or just the wm |
| 15:08.53 | jelly | if you have something like compton, try restarting it |
| 15:09.00 | jelly | sounds a bit like compositor caching issues, I have similar symptoms sometimes happening on kde, pardon, plasma, whcih has its own compositor |
| 15:09.05 | iliv | jelly thanks, good to know! I was just wondering how one could tell if a Debian system is an LTS one. I thought I should be able to find something in the system itself to distinguish it from a non-LTS version. |
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| 15:09.48 | ratrace | AndreasLutro: I'm guessing here the existence of that xorg.conf might be one reason for your issues. xorg hasn't needed a xorg.conf in years. Out of curiosity, if you completely remove it, and reboot, do the problems persist? |
| 15:09.58 | iliv | jelly something, like a specific APT source URL, or lsb_release output or a package like debian-security-support installed in the system |
| 15:10.37 | iliv | a sure fire way to establish if a system is an LTS one. so that I don't have to look up release dates and schedules on the Internet. |
| 15:10.49 | AndreasLutro | jelly: nope. ratrace: rebooting made no difference. I've created /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/00-intel.conf and that definitely affects my system |
| 15:11.26 | AndreasLutro | enabled TearFree and VSync and it seems to work fine now... can't even remember why I disabled those in the first place. shrug |
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| 15:21.00 | jelly | iliv: short answer, you can't. apt repos stay the same (since debian 8 become lts) |
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| 15:23.01 | iliv | jelly too bad! |
| 15:23.09 | iliv | thanks for confirming, though. |
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| 15:25.33 | jelly | #debian-lts people suggest to try looking at this: |
| 15:25.39 | jelly | ,i distro-info |
| 15:25.41 | judd | Package distro-info (devel, optional) in buster/amd64: provides information about the distributions' releases. Version: 0.21; Size: 18.5k; Installed: 68k |
| 15:27.43 | knob | jelly, I changed the USB flash drive itself and the installation is working properly. Nice and warm in the Debian installation menus I know and love. lol |
| 15:27.44 | knob | Thanks |
| 15:29.12 | mitrax | hello, i'm experiencing very slow disk I/O with small blocks on debian 10.4 with a nvme drive (samsung 983 DCT), <1 MB/sec with 512 bytes block when benchmarking compared to 45MB/sec with similarly sized block on windows, is there a known issue with the nvme driver in the kernel or some settings i can tweak? |
| 15:33.46 | jelly | mitrax: single thread? read? write? r/w mix? which tool? using a file on a filesystem or block device directly? which tool? O_DIRECT? Tried a different kernel? |
| 15:36.20 | mitrax | jelly: single threader, dd with bs=512 and oflag=direct, haven't tried with a different kernel |
| 15:36.25 | mitrax | err single threadeD |
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| 15:37.36 | ratrace | mitrax: try the backported kernel, I think there's some relevant fixes in it. solved some nvme issues I had |
| 15:38.58 | jelly | !bpo kernel |
| 15:38.58 | dpkg | Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are available from the <buster-backports> repository. After modifying your sources.list, run «apt update». To install the current backported kernel: «apt -t buster-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`». To list available backported kernel image packages: «aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'». |
| 15:39.10 | mitrax | ratrace: ok thanks i'll give it a try |
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| 15:53.13 | strk | ratrace: yes, I use dovecot.. didn't know about replication capabilities, sounds interesting |
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| 16:22.32 | mitrax | ratrace/jelly: it's actually worse with 5.8 :) an abysmal 777kb/sec (was 834kb/sec before), hmm something else must be wrong |
| 16:24.17 | mitrax | ratrace: i'm doing a dd if=/dev/zero of=/root/testfile bs=512 count=10000 oflag=dsync for the test |
| 16:24.36 | greycat | a higher block size would be good |
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| 16:25.49 | jelly | mitrax: how do you force windows to avoid cache and do something like O_DIRECT? |
| 16:26.04 | jelly | ie. are you comparing apples to apples |
| 16:26.20 | mitrax | jelly: i'm using a benchmarking app (atto) which does direct i/o and bypass the cache |
| 16:26.37 | jelly | you could use fio on linux instead of dd |
| 16:27.22 | jelly | mitrax: do you get reasonable numbers with bs=1M and without any oflags? |
| 16:28.23 | mitrax | jelly: with 4K block i'm getting 4.5MB/sec, with 1MB, 310MB/sec |
| 16:28.55 | jelly | 4K numbers are bad, 1M seem okayish |
| 16:29.16 | longears | Weird. I've been getting the `FAILED! => {"msg": "Unable to find location of 'ansible-connection'. Please set or check the value of ANSIBLE_CONNECTION_PATH"}` error with `ansible` recently. =\ Not sure what's wrong, since it worked before. I'm on Debian and I suspect I just need to update something. |
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| 16:29.38 | mitrax | jelly: yeah, though it's still 4 times slower, i'm getting 1.25GB with 1M, but the problem is obvious with low block size, it seems to be a I/O latency problem |
| 16:30.15 | mitrax | jelly: err i mean 1.25GB/sec on windows |
| 16:30.29 | mitrax | i'll try fio |
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| 16:31.04 | jelly | mitrax: 1) precreate the file and then do tests, with dd |
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| 16:31.16 | jelly | fio has options for that |
| 16:31.35 | jelly | mitrax: which filesystem type? ext4? |
| 16:31.43 | mitrax | jelly: btw this is a proxmox host, and i was getting very bad performances on a windows server 2019 VM, about 25% compared to baremetal |
| 16:31.46 | mitrax | jelly: ext4 yeah |
| 16:32.15 | jelly | proxmox used to replace the kernel with their own |
| 16:32.26 | jelly | mitrax: what does "uname -a" say? |
| 16:32.34 | mitrax | jelly: it backported to 5.8 successfully |
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| 16:32.52 | mitrax | the proxmox feature are probably broken, but it's a test install anyway |
| 16:33.04 | mitrax | jelly: 5.8.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 |
| 16:33.11 | sussudio | mitrax: maybe it's running on a motherboard with an amd chipset. they don't play nice with samsung ssd's. |
| 16:33.15 | jelly | that's not uname -a, but okay |
| 16:33.41 | mitrax | jelly: oops sorry, i copied what i had in the terminal already, Linux pve 5.8.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 5.8.10-1~bpo10+1 (2020-09-26) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 16:33.49 | jelly | it does not look like an openvz patched kernel |
| 16:35.55 | mitrax | jelly: btw the chipset is not amd but intel (C246) |
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| 16:38.05 | mitrax | oops the last message was intented to sussudio :) |
| 16:39.29 | sussudio | k |
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| 16:48.53 | emme | I've just finished installing debian sid on my Thinkpad T495: perfect compatibility (with nonfree firmware) |
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| 16:50.34 | emme | now I would like to install my own debian kernel ("make deb-pkg"), but I was not able to figure out how to sign it for secure booting |
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| 16:51.16 | emme | I added the MOK certificate to shim/EFI |
| 16:51.54 | emme | how to produce a kernel signed with my certificate? |
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| 16:53.21 | emme | I followed https://wiki.debian.org/SecureBoot but it gives hints for signing custom modules, not the kernel |
| 16:53.26 | mitrax | jelly: in the mobo bios settings i had to set the NVMe firmware source to 'AMI Native support' (vs 'Device Vendor Defined support') for the OS to boot, could it be the issue? or it doesn't matter once the os has booted? |
| 16:53.48 | jelly | I have no idea what that does |
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| 16:58.01 | mitrax | i'll try with a clean debian 10.6 iso instead of proxmox |
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| 17:12.28 | braingain | how do i install mosh-server in debian? |
| 17:12.53 | braingain | installing the 'mosh' package somehow doesnt cut it |
| 17:12.56 | another | ,v mosh |
| 17:12.59 | judd | Package: mosh on amd64 -- jessie: 1.2.4a-1+b2; stretch: 1.2.6-1+b2; buster: 1.3.2-2.1+b1; bullseye: 1.3.2-2.1+b3; sid: 1.3.2-2.1+b3 |
| 17:13.38 | another | ,file mosh-server |
| 17:13.43 | judd | Search for mosh-server in buster/amd64: mosh: usr/bin/mosh-server |
| 17:17.13 | braingain | have it in /usr/bin/mosh-server |
| 17:17.42 | braingain | when i try to connect it yields "Did not find mosh server startup message." |
| 17:18.34 | another | PATH broken? |
| 17:19.44 | braingain | nope |
| 17:20.27 | braingain | no firewall either |
| 17:24.54 | braingain | got it |
| 17:25.07 | braingain | it was complaining about LC_CTYPES not being set |
| 17:25.18 | braingain | instead of defaulting to English |
| 17:25.20 | braingain | lol |
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| 17:41.26 | RoyK | what's hot (or not, but just works) in the backup segment these days? I want to backup some 10-20 machines, servers mostly, and having used bareos after kicking out bacula some years back, bareos doesn't seem to be what it was and going back to bacula isn't going to happen, so then what? borg, perhaps, bur it doesn't seem to be written for a lot of machines backing up to a central place. well, I'm just |
| 17:41.32 | RoyK | poking around here - any ideas? |
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| 17:44.12 | shtrb | ,v widevine |
| 17:44.13 | judd | No package named 'widevine' was found in amd64. |
| 17:45.32 | shtrb | ,v widevine-l3-decryptor |
| 17:45.40 | judd | No package named 'widevine-l3-decryptor' was found in amd64. |
| 17:45.46 | sussudio | it's chromium-widevine and it's in contrib |
| 17:46.22 | karlpinc | RoyK: I recall rsnapshot. I use a rsync script. |
| 17:47.53 | shtrb | thank you sussudio , time to check the DMCAed project |
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| 17:52.29 | quadrathoch2 | shtrb it's undcmaed now again |
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| 17:55.11 | shtrb | quadrathoch2, I checked a few links from https://github.com/github/dmca/blob/master/2020/11/2020-11-09-Google.md and all seem down |
| 17:55.44 | quadrathoch2 | shtrb oh sorry, I thought you were talking about a different project :/ |
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| 17:56.32 | shtrb | quadrathoch2, it's not only youtube-dl which had been dmced from orbit |
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| 17:56.53 | quadrathoch2 | yeah i know oO shtrb |
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| 18:06.15 | Lope | A few weeks ago I tried to upgrade a buster installation to bullseye, but it failed with some "unresolvable" libc6 something apt conflict whatever problem, so I aborted and restored a backup. That installation had nvidia drivers and a bunch of backports. |
| 18:07.05 | Lope | Last night I tried upgrading another buster PC that didn't have nvidia drivers, so I gave it a shot (without a backup, eek) |
| 18:07.22 | Lope | Again I ran into some unresolvable apt libc6 problem. |
| 18:07.52 | quadrathoch2 | !debian-next |
| 18:07.53 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also https://wiki.debian.org/IRC and https://wiki.debian.org/GettingHelpOnIrc |
| 18:08.18 | Lope | I forgot to mention, before I started the installation, I first purged everything that was in backports, and rebooted. |
| 18:08.44 | Lope | But then the libc6 issue came up, so I purged it as well as a few other packages. |
| 18:08.51 | quadrathoch2 | lope, it would make more sense if you go to the dedicated irc channel for testing and sid ;) |
| 18:08.56 | Lope | In the end I purged gnustep-base-runtime firefox* *zfs* *.bpo.* libc6-dev libgirepository-1.0-1 |
| 18:10.02 | Lope | in the end, after successfully completing apt upgrade and also dist-upgrade... I was left with apt upgrade saying "The following packages have been kept back: gcc-8-base" |
| 18:10.08 | Lope | okay, will ask on next. |
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| 19:13.00 | unixbsd | "Nov 17 18:57:36 debian systemd-logind[268]: Removed session c102.", hello, what can it be this error of systemd to sshfs? |
| 19:13.20 | greycat | that does not sound like an error to me |
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| 19:42.13 | iomintz | bezaban: ok, i got root access on the host. how should i diagnose this? |
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| 20:18.13 | chunk | o/ |
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| 20:23.23 | jhutchins | iomintz_: Diagnose what? |
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| 20:25.07 | iomintz_ | !irclog |
| 20:25.08 | dpkg | it has been said that irclog is #debian on <freenode> is logged at http://ibot.rikers.org/%23debian/ , #debian on <OFTC> is logged at http://irclogs.thegrebs.com/debian/ |
| 20:25.55 | iomintz_ | aw does it not have today's logs |
| 20:26.53 | chunk | !irclog |
| 20:26.53 | dpkg | somebody said irclog was #debian on <freenode> is logged at http://ibot.rikers.org/%23debian/ , #debian on <OFTC> is logged at http://irclogs.thegrebs.com/debian/ |
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| 20:30.46 | jhutchins | iomintz: You're asking us for free help. Don't make us work for it. I'm not going to search irc logs for messages from you, I'm not going to read pastebins without a summary in this channel. I'm not going to read your logs. |
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| 20:34.06 | iomintz | that's fair |
| 20:34.22 | iomintz | jhutchins: i have a custom ssh server listening on 0.0.0.0:10022 on my debian 10 VM. the VM host (proxmox/debian 10) has one physical network interface, which routes into three virtual network interfaces on my VM. there is no NAT (free IPv4!!). i have ufw enabled and set to allow incoming traffic to any interface from anywhere to port 10022. i can ssh in to the server on localhost, and on the host, but on the internet, the packets are |
| 20:34.22 | iomintz | silently dropped. |
| 20:37.50 | iomintz | on the host, iptables is configured to accept all incoming and outgoing traffic |
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| 21:00.44 | roycroft | hello, folks |
| 21:01.26 | roycroft | my macbook pro is ailing, and while i'm going to repair it or replace it with a new one, life is difficult at the moment, as i need a laptop for work |
| 21:01.47 | roycroft | i've been thinking about getting a linux-based laptop for some time, and maybe now is a good time to do that |
| 21:02.17 | roycroft | i wonder if folks here have experience with linux on a laptop, and what kind of specs the machine needs to perform decently |
| 21:02.45 | roycroft | i'd be using a gui desktop environment, and would need to run apps like freecad and inkscape, in addition to the standard office productivity apps |
| 21:03.05 | roycroft | being able to run windows in a vm would be nice as well, but not a requirement |
| 21:03.36 | roycroft | my current mbp has an i7 processor and 16GB of ram, and for a mac that's really what i need |
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| 21:04.04 | roycroft | but linux doesn't seem as demanding as mac os, so i wonder if, say an i5 processor and 8GB would suffice |
| 21:05.17 | n4dir | probably most actual ones will suffice |
| 21:05.30 | n4dir | besides edge cases, of course |
| 21:06.21 | jhutchins | !proxmox |
| 21:06.22 | dpkg | Proxmox Virtual Environment (Proxmox VE) is a GNU/Linux distribution <based on Debian>, providing a virtualization platform with <LXC> and <KVM>. It is not supported in #debian. There's an unofficial ##proxmox channel on Freenode. For official venues, see http://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/Get_support |
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| 21:06.38 | ryouma | you should be ok on anything at least on a desiktop. the only problem is firefox. |
| 21:06.48 | ryouma | which i have to keep restarting becuse of memory |
| 21:06.52 | roycroft | which i dislike anyway |
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| 21:06.58 | roycroft | but i can't run safari on linux |
| 21:06.59 | jhutchins | iomintz: They may be able to help you. I've used VirtualBox but not proxmox. |
| 21:07.15 | n4dir | my actual laptop is stoneage, something like 10 years old, 3 Gigs of Ram, and CPU i3 M350 2.27 Hz. It can run qemu, but sure not that decent |
| 21:07.40 | ryouma | wow somebody with lower specs than me |
| 21:07.44 | iomintz | thank u jhutchins |
| 21:07.48 | n4dir | it is the best i had in years. |
| 21:08.00 | roycroft | a windowsy laptop with an average speed (~2GHz) i7 and 16GB of ram is about $1k new |
| 21:08.01 | iomintz | !based on Debian |
| 21:08.01 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 21:08.24 | roycroft | i can get one with a 1.7GHz i5 and 8GB of ram for about $250 |
| 21:08.45 | greycat | if you can boost the RAM cheaply, do it |
| 21:08.52 | roycroft | i'm checking on that |
| 21:08.55 | greycat | but otherwise, yeah, that will work |
| 21:08.58 | roycroft | for one i'm looking at |
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| 21:09.07 | roycroft | the ram is the most important thing if i want to run any vms |
| 21:09.54 | ryouma | debian has enormous choice. big repo. |
| 21:10.27 | jhutchins | iomintz: The best advice I can give you is to start out as simple as you can, no iptables, no encryption, just the basics and build from there. |
| 21:10.32 | roycroft | worst case i can upgrade it to 16GB for under $100 |
| 21:11.12 | roycroft | i run a server farm using promox hypervisors |
| 21:11.18 | roycroft | but #proxmox really is a better place to ask about that |
| 21:11.41 | iomintz | roycroft: would you mind joining in there? |
| 21:11.56 | iomintz | ##proxmox i mean |
| 21:11.58 | Onyx47_ | on the CPU side, I'm running an old i5-4460 on this desktop and I'm doing development work on it with heavy multitasking just fine, so yeah... no idea how bad FreeCad is for CPU but I guess you should be fine as well |
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| 21:13.20 | roycroft | i actually have to get back to work in just a couple minutes, iomintz |
| 21:13.27 | ryouma | cpu model names mean nothing to me so i can't ffompare to mine which is problable smewhat earliers and it is ok |
| 21:13.29 | roycroft | i'll drop in when i have an opportunity |
| 21:13.33 | iomintz | thanks |
| 21:13.43 | iomintz | if i'm still in there, please ping me when u do |
| 21:13.50 | roycroft | if you have just a quick question right now, i think this channel would indulge it |
| 21:13.53 | Onyx47_ | it's 4th gen and 11th gen is coming out, so yeah, a bit old :) |
| 21:14.08 | roycroft | but neither i nor the channel have time for a prolonged discussion about proxmox |
| 21:14.24 | ryouma | core 2 quad worked better than what i have and what i have is okish |
| 21:26.31 | jhutchins | roycroft: We do not encourage support for derived-from-Debian systems here. What works on Debian can break derivatives and vice-versa. |
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| 21:31.09 | roycroft | i respect that, which is why i said i'd be willing to answer one question, briefly - i hope that's not too great a transgression of channel protocol |
| 21:31.25 | roycroft | if so, i'll endeavor to be even more strict in my interpretation of the scope of the channel |
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| 21:37.30 | alex11 | how to install ncurses? |
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| 21:39.07 | greycat | if you mean "so I can compile things", you want libncurses5-dev |
| 21:40.15 | alex11 | i see there's libncurses-dev which installs 6 instead of 5 |
| 21:40.23 | alex11 | any reason to prefer libncurses5? |
| 21:40.59 | greycat | ... crap, did things change again? I hate it when things change. |
| 21:41.22 | alex11 | "libncurses-dev is already the newest version (6.1+20181013-2+deb10u2)" welp |
| 21:41.42 | greycat | well, that tells you how long it's been since I had to compile something that uses curses |
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| 22:04.28 | astronavt | im running bullseye on my Lenovo x220, and i configured NetworkManager to manage ethernet by setting "managed=true" in the conf file. when i am plugged into ethernet, and i unplug the ethernet cable without first manually disconnecting from ethernet, i am unable to connect to wifi networks. i have tried `modprobe -r iwlwifi` and restarting wpa_supplicant, and inspecting dmesg output shows that it times out trying to authenticate to any wifi |
| 22:04.29 | astronavt | network. is there any more debugging i can do? |
| 22:04.41 | astronavt | not even sure what the root problem is yet |
| 22:05.37 | alex11 | !debian-next |
| 22:05.38 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also https://wiki.debian.org/IRC and https://wiki.debian.org/GettingHelpOnIrc |
| 22:05.43 | alex11 | maybe try there astronavt ^ |
| 22:05.55 | astronavt | ah i always forget |
| 22:06.09 | astronavt | that bullseye stuff is on the oftc channel |
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| 22:16.59 | jhutchins | astronavt: Might see if dhclient is running, write a little "up" script. |
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| 22:17.55 | jhutchins | roycroft: Didn't mean to scold, but that looked like it wasn't going to be a "one question" problem. |
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| 22:26.43 | astronavt | jhutchins, would dhclient affect the ability to _connect_ to a wireless network? |
| 22:27.46 | astronavt | i did find this in 'ps -eF': /sbin/dhclient -4 -v -i -pf /run/dhclient.enp0s25.pid -lf /var/lib/dhcp/dhclient.enp0s25.leases -I -df /var/lib/dhcp/dhclient6.enp0s25.leases enp0s25 |
| 22:27.55 | astronavt | what would such an "up" script contain |
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| 22:28.10 | astronavt | note that i am very ignorant of networking things |
| 22:28.34 | greycat | so what operating system is it, actually |
| 22:28.38 | astronavt | but it looks like somehow dhclient is associating itself specifically with my ethernet connection and not my wireless adapter... not sure if my guess is correct |
| 22:28.44 | greycat | raspbian? |
| 22:29.01 | dvs | what's that? |
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| 22:46.40 | jhutchins | astronavt: I usually look at dmesg to see what's going on with wireless hardware. You've got a lot of comopnents involved there. It might be that you don't have hotplug enabled on the wired interface, it might just be that you need to manually shut down the wired connection. |
| 22:48.06 | astronavt | jhutchins, dmesg indicates that wireless auth timed out. i do have hotplug enabled in the 'networks' config file. one thing that i find suspicious is that networkmanager doesnt seem to be switching the "primary" connection to my wireless adapter |
| 22:49.08 | roycroft | hello, again, folks |
| 22:49.17 | roycroft | i found a used laptop that i'm going to look at in a bit |
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| 22:49.30 | roycroft | it's an acer aspire, and looks to be in really good shape |
| 22:49.44 | roycroft | it has a touch screen - is that likely to be decently supported by debian? |
| 22:50.16 | roycroft | i use a touch screen on my linuxcnc controller, which runs debian but has an elo touchscreen overlay with a usb interface that fits on the display |
| 22:50.25 | sney | touchscreens are usually just handled as a generic hid, afaik |
| 22:50.32 | roycroft | so i know that there is touchscreen support with debian |
| 22:50.42 | roycroft | if this touch screen does not work out it's not a big deal |
| 22:50.48 | sney | the only thing is that few desktops are really optimized for that |
| 22:50.48 | Onyx47_ | unless it's particlarly weird one, they all work out of the box |
| 22:50.49 | roycroft | the machine is a good deal even without one |
| 22:50.52 | roycroft | cool |
| 22:50.58 | Onyx47_ | I work with kiosk machines and it's handling all of them well |
| 22:50.58 | roycroft | if it works, so much the better |
| 22:51.07 | roycroft | or maybe i'll find it annoying and disable it :) |
| 22:51.35 | roycroft | i have a cat who will occasionally paw at something interesting on the screen |
| 22:51.45 | roycroft | i'm not sure if paw swatting would register as a touch |
| 22:52.17 | ryouma | idk if the social contract includes cats |
| 22:52.21 | roycroft | it could be an interesting comparison |
| 22:52.37 | roycroft | er, experiment |
| 22:53.10 | roycroft | the machine comes with 8GB of ram |
| 22:53.19 | roycroft | i can increase that to 12GB for $28 |
| 22:53.29 | roycroft | and i think that would be sufficient for a linux playtoy laptop |
| 22:54.10 | roycroft | it also comes with a fresh windows 10 install, which i'd probably not want to nuke, at least not immediately |
| 22:54.31 | roycroft | iirc the debian installer will detect that, and can shrink the windows partition and set up dual boot |
| 22:54.34 | roycroft | is that correct? |
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| 22:55.02 | roycroft | seems to recall having done something like that at one point |
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| 23:05.52 | jhutchins | roycroft: Yes, cats can interact with touchscreens. In fact there are interactive walpapers and games specifically meant to entertain cats. |
| 23:06.16 | jhutchins | roycroft: you need a moderately large screen. 8" is a bit small, 10"+ works better. |
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| 23:06.57 | jhutchins | contemplates teaching his cat Debian administration and getting him a work-from-home job. |
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| 23:07.19 | jhutchins | He'd probably get fired for napping. |
| 23:08.22 | jhutchins | roycroft: If your touchscreen is less than five and preferably less than three years old it should be fully supported in Linux. |
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| 23:09.20 | jhutchins | roycroft: At one point my job consisted of tracking down drivers for discontinued touchscreens and trying to get them to build on whatever flavor of Linux we were running that month (mostly Centos). |
| 23:13.28 | tizef | Hi guys! Anyone who flashed his Bios with FreeDOS usb live from Debian? |
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| 23:19.18 | petn-randall | tizef: FreeDOS usb live from Debian? Where is that provided? |
| 23:19.50 | petn-randall | tizef: I've used fwupdmgr for BIOS updates, which works great, but only supports a small number of devices. |
| 23:21.35 | tizef | petn-randall >>> https://www.freedos.org/download/ &&&&& https://wiki.debian.org/FlashBIOS |
| 23:23.30 | tizef | Yes my bios really bug, so I want to update it... From forum others complain about this bios version is actually 1.11 now have 1.16 |
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| 23:24.07 | tizef | Actually 0.5 was okay... |
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| 23:26.05 | tizef | From wiki to another different ways are there to put FreeDOS on usb-pendrive |
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| 23:34.20 | auk | if apt runs out of disk space, does...handle it well? |
| 23:34.39 | petn-randall | auk: Not much better than other things. But it can recover if you provide disk space again. |
| 23:35.17 | petn-randall | tizef: So, are you stuck at any step of flashing your BIOS? |
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| 23:35.47 | tizef | Yes, how to make that usb-live |
| 23:36.15 | tizef | petn-randall |
| 23:36.43 | tizef | A simple "dd"? |
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| 23:37.50 | auk | petn-randall, is is supposed to fail with a "no disk space" error? (dnf does), or does it just fail some other way |
| 23:38.12 | auk | just now it kept going for a while when disk was at 100%, then failed in a strange way with no actual errors |
| 23:38.47 | petn-randall | tizef: No, just follow the instructions you linked. |
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| 23:39.03 | auk | also, i thought apt responded to Ctrl-c but aparently not? |
| 23:39.24 | petn-randall | auk: It does not, but it should recover gracefully if it fails. |
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| 23:39.38 | petn-randall | auk: Do you still have the errors there? |
| 23:40.08 | tizef | Ok petn-randall thanks |
| 23:40.19 | auk | petn-randall, nope. closed the window already |
| 23:40.31 | auk | petn-randall, but it didn't give any errors. jsut a whole lot of whitespace |
| 23:40.43 | auk | and then a list of pkg names (no errors or explanation just a list) |
| 23:41.08 | petn-randall | auk: `dpkg --configure --pending` should fix any remaining errors, and `apt-get install -f`. As long as there's disk space again. |
| 23:42.08 | auk | petn-randall, thank you, gonna try that |
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