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| 00:32.41 | roycroft | well i picked up the laptop, so i'm pretty happy about that |
| 00:32.48 | roycroft | i've been meaning to get a linux laptop for years |
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| 00:33.29 | Abdullah | Here I just pushed a screencast about passwords management in Linux. Hope you guys would like it. https://youtu.be/rixZIr4-c_Y |
| 00:33.50 | roycroft | i use enpass on my linux machines |
| 00:34.00 | Abdullah | its about pass |
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| 00:34.17 | Abdullah | pass uses your gpg key. |
| 00:34.30 | Abdullah | don't know about enpass |
| 00:34.41 | Abdullah | heard it for the first time |
| 00:34.43 | roycroft | one sets a passphrase for enpass |
| 00:34.58 | roycroft | both for local access to the app, and a passphrase for each vault |
| 00:35.02 | Abdullah | ah. in pass every password is encrypted using your gpg keyid |
| 00:35.15 | roycroft | i use it because i use macs as well as linux, and enpass runs on both |
| 00:35.22 | roycroft | and i store my password vaults on a webdav server |
| 00:35.28 | roycroft | so i can synchronize everything easily |
| 00:35.58 | roycroft | i think i looked at pass a while back |
| 00:36.30 | Abdullah | pass runs on both as well |
| 00:36.49 | roycroft | god, how do people get anything done running windows |
| 00:36.51 | Abdullah | I store my password store in git repository |
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| 00:37.24 | roycroft | that could work |
| 00:37.44 | Abdullah | lol they just open windows for fresh air to come and enjoy air only while things are being done by some creepy hacker who installed some malware |
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| 00:38.44 | roycroft | i have some windows apps that i need to run, so i'm not going to wipe windows off this machine |
| 00:38.47 | roycroft | at least not right away |
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| 00:39.01 | roycroft | but windows is so bloody hard to use, and even harder to admin |
| 00:39.12 | Abdullah | Here in my country no one purchases windows. people buy a CD in 0.19 USD and install cracked version |
| 00:39.26 | scrul00se | Abdullah: How about safely passing a password or unlocked ssh key from a regular user to root? Do you know if that's a doable thing? |
| 00:39.48 | Abdullah | I never installed windows in my computers. linux was my first OS fortunately ;-) |
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| 00:40.13 | roycroft | i've been using unix since well before ms-dos even existed |
| 00:40.38 | Abdullah | scrul00se: I think I have heard about that. |
| 00:40.47 | Abdullah | well, I use gpg key for ssh as well |
| 00:41.15 | Abdullah | You may watch a video on how I created my gpg keypair and use it for ssh as well |
| 00:41.30 | Abdullah | its on my YouTube channel. https://youtube.com/AbdullahToday |
| 00:41.39 | Abdullah | uploaded it yesterday |
| 00:42.07 | Abdullah | pass uses /dev/urandom btw |
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| 00:42.59 | scrul00se | I use ed25519 for ssh, which works for me. But if I could find a safe way to get a key from gnome-keyring (because of the convenience of having it unlock with the user's login... |
| 00:43.27 | scrul00se | ...to a keychain process running as root... |
| 00:43.51 | Abdullah | I don't use gnome or some bloatware. I'm WM guy |
| 00:44.04 | scrul00se | then I could make the whole thing totally transparent to a user such as my wife. |
| 00:44.43 | Abdullah | is ed25519 better than RSA one? |
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| 00:45.29 | scrul00se | I don't use gnome either; I use XFCE4, but some of gnome's accessories do come in handy |
| 00:46.14 | Abdullah | and those accessories might install more bloatware as dependencies |
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| 00:47.15 | Abdullah | xfce4 is fine. I suggested a guy to install debian. gave him XFCE4 iso image link. today he messaged me, he didn't like it and installed ubuntu ;-) |
| 00:47.39 | Abdullah | I don't know if he was unable to do things or why he did that ;-) |
| 00:47.53 | scrul00se | I learned a lot about ssh from here: https://stribika.github.io/2015/01/04/secure-secure-shell.html |
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| 00:49.14 | scrul00se | I like XFCE4, been using it for quite a while now. As for gnome bloatware, I just pay attention to what gets pulled in when I "apt install" something. If I don't like what I see, I hit "N" |
| 00:49.31 | roycroft | i'll install something clean like mate |
| 00:49.45 | scrul00se | *snerk* |
| 00:50.08 | roycroft | i'm used to having what mac os calls spaces |
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| 00:50.25 | roycroft | which is multiple screens that i can flip back and forth to |
| 00:50.43 | roycroft | is there something in debian desktop environment that can do that? |
| 00:51.18 | roycroft | i've been managing debian systems for many years, but always servers, not workstations |
| 00:51.36 | roycroft | so debian + gui is kind of new to me, although i do run debian on my linuxcnc machine |
| 00:52.30 | scrul00se | Um, I'm not familiar with macos, but... just your desktop gets full so you flip to virtual desktop 2, and it's a new empty space to fill with windows and then you can flip back and forth? |
| 00:52.56 | roycroft | yes |
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| 00:53.31 | roycroft | for exmple, i fill screen 1 with xterms, screen 2 has email client/contact manager/calendar, screen 3 has web browser, etc. |
| 00:53.32 | scrul00se | Oh, most DE's will do that. I have four in my XFCE setup, but you can choose how many. |
| 00:53.39 | roycroft | that way i'm not piling everything up in a single window |
| 00:53.47 | roycroft | ok, i'll sort it out |
| 00:53.50 | roycroft | thanks |
| 00:54.20 | scrul00se | If you install a DE with 3d-acceleration support (*not* XFCE), you can set up flashy animations for switching them and everything. |
| 00:54.34 | roycroft | my goal is to replicate my macbook pro environment as closely as possible, so that it will be easy to switch back and forth between machines |
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| 00:55.01 | Onyx47_ | It's called virtual desktops or virtual workspaces, depending on the DE. And yeah, you need to set the number of them, though Gnome Shell has dynamic adding of workspaces, there are some extensions for KDE as well if you want that, not sure about other DEs |
| 00:55.03 | roycroft | i'm not into flashy stuff much |
| 00:55.08 | roycroft | i prefer functional |
| 00:55.27 | roycroft | i've been using 9 "spaces" on mac os for years |
| 00:55.28 | Abdullah | I have 10 workspaces in my setup |
| 00:55.29 | scrul00se | Hah! Well, you're certainly not going to bend the mac to your will to mimic Debian. ;-) |
| 00:55.44 | roycroft | i have multiple macs |
| 00:55.48 | Abdullah | and accesing them is just super + ; key |
| 00:56.01 | Abdullah | or just use mouse which I don't |
| 00:56.12 | roycroft | even if i could, it makes more sense to me to have linux emulate the mac os environment than vice versa |
| 00:56.14 | Abdullah | so full screen for one single program |
| 00:56.16 | roycroft | less work |
| 00:56.21 | Abdullah | plus I don't have a DE |
| 00:56.34 | roycroft | well i have to beat this windows install into submission first |
| 00:56.38 | scrul00se | I would just lose windows forever if I had ten virtual destops to keep straight. |
| 00:56.42 | roycroft | then do the basic linux install |
| 00:56.59 | roycroft | i have some windows apps that i need to use |
| 00:57.05 | roycroft | so i can't get rid of windows |
| 00:57.10 | Onyx47_ | roycroft: there are tutorials to get it so close I managed to trick actual Mac users for good ten minutes as a joke, how far you want to go is up to you of course |
| 00:57.24 | Abdullah | here is my setup. https://youtu.be/Y_aX-TOPREc?list=PLgDE8IDRDHUP_wDkwv-Qq6iljPI4yk5Y1 |
| 00:57.36 | roycroft | yeah, i installed linux mint on an old imac once and got it looking fairly like mac os |
| 00:57.42 | scrul00se | I've got a *lot* of mileage out of dual-boot systems over the years. |
| 00:57.46 | roycroft | (sorry for going off-topic) |
| 00:57.47 | Abdullah | actually I loaded from playlist. lemme give you the short link, it might not be clickable |
| 00:58.43 | Abdullah | https://youtu.be/Y_aX-TOPREc |
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| 01:17.26 | kevinnn | hi all, I can't for the life of me to get 'iwlist wlp2s0 scanning' to report any wifi access points |
| 01:17.38 | kevinnn | I've tried literally everything on google |
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| 01:33.24 | elliptical | kevinnn: any reason you're using the legacy iwlist rather than iw? |
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| 08:10.09 | khelair | good morning everyone. Can anybody tell me if debian 10 is the most recent version available for the cubieboard2 (ie armhf architecture)? |
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| 09:29.27 | khelair | hi everybody. I'm trying to install debian's armhf port. Unfortunately, the only monitor I have for this job is not exactly perfect, and it's not showing me the banner where it's supposed to show the installation login & password, and I can't find that damn info anywhere with google for some reason. can anybody help me find out that info? |
| 09:29.35 | khelair | it would be very much appreciated! |
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| 09:33.15 | themill | khelair: when you say "install" what are you actually using? the installer doesn't have a predefined username/password. |
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| 09:34.47 | khelair | I'm not in the installer, I've just gotten the board to boot off of the SDCard from the image 'debian-10.6.0-armhf-xfce-CD-1.iso', it's giving me a standard username/password prompt |
| 09:34.58 | khelair | my bad on the clarity there. |
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| 09:36.35 | khelair | I assume that once I'm logged in I'll receive a message about what to run for the installer, or whatever would come next... I did this once, but it a was a long time ago, and my monitor wasn't as trashed at that point. Kids + electonics. :| |
| 09:36.56 | themill | if it's going to a login prompt, then it's probably not booted off that installer image |
| 09:37.07 | khelair | hrm |
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| 09:38.02 | khelair | I wonder if the cubieboard2 I'm using has onboard storage that I wasn't aware of. *looks* |
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| 09:42.24 | khelair | crazy, I thought they relied solely on the sdcard. it was not booting off of that. now to just figure out how to boot to there and hopefully this will all work out well! |
| 09:43.39 | themill | Not sure about that hardware, but it's common enough that using debootstrap onto the card is better than using the installer. |
| 09:44.13 | khelair | not sure how to go about that... do you know where I could find decent info on such, possibly? |
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| 09:46.08 | khelair | I'm seeing right now that cubieboard2 is supposed to try to boot from the sdcard first before its onboard storage. that would indicate that the media that I flashed probably isn't bootable, I assume? I just dd'ed over the .iso to my sdcard, should I be using another method? |
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| 09:46.27 | themill | the install guide should cover it |
| 09:46.28 | themill | !ig |
| 09:46.29 | dpkg | The Installation Guide for Debian 10 "Buster" can be found at https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/installmanual . See also <errata> and <buster release notes>. |
| 09:46.34 | khelair | thank you |
| 09:46.53 | themill | the specific one for armhf has lots of recipes for common boards |
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| 09:48.26 | khelair | I'm finding a whole lot on pxe/tftp installation, but I've scoured this doc awhile ago here and didn't find anything specific about how to write the image to an sdcard |
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| 09:48.50 | khelair | unless I should be using a u-boot image, perhaps |
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| 09:49.13 | khelair | I did think that using an .iso format image for an sdcard sounded a bit off. this one looks like it uses a .img file, that seems a little more kosher to me |
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| 09:50.36 | themill | You can certainly put an iso on an sd card and some hardware can boot from that. Lots of hardware can't boot of sd however |
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| 09:53.48 | jelly | khelair: depending on the version of uboot firmware used, those allwinner/sunxi SoC machines use the sd card as a kind-of /boot filesystem, has to be VFAT formatted with a config file and kernel and initrd in specific place. See #linux-sunxi channel and their wiki for installation methods or maybe #cubieboard |
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| 09:55.16 | themill | was hoping someone who knew the specific hardware would turn up |
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| 09:57.09 | khelair | yeah the image that I just burned was a uboot and it was nothign other than a pxe loader |
| 09:57.20 | khelair | I just need to find the right image at this point and I should be set |
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| 09:57.35 | jelly | presumably that makes pxe boot work |
| 09:58.22 | jelly | I have no idea how you pass the correct dtb, only ever used pxe on x86 |
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| 09:58.30 | khelair | I would assume it does. I am not looking to struggle with tftp this morning, though. I will I have to, but I know I can do this right from the sdcard as I've doen it before |
| 09:59.47 | jelly | it's an old board, perhaps https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Allwinner https://linux-sunxi.org/Cubietech_Cubieboard2 will be useful |
| 10:00.17 | khelair | I shall check those out, thank you |
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| 10:04.25 | jelly | > The images are provided in the form of a device-specific part (containing the partition table and the device-specific u-boot) and a device-independent part (containing the actual installer), which can be unpacked and concatenated together to build a complete installer image. |
| 10:04.37 | jelly | oh that's a neat way to manage dtb I guess |
| 10:04.58 | khelair | where are you seeing this at, if I may ask? |
| 10:05.12 | jelly | https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Allwinner#Installing_from_an_SD_card_image |
| 10:05.39 | khelair | hrm I know I had that page open earlier... |
| 10:05.57 | khelair | I never went through that process, though, this may help a lot |
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| 10:08.29 | khelair | oh damn that's just for the netinstall, though :'C |
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| 10:10.25 | khelair | I'm not even sure if this sunxi-based bit is applicable for this cubieboard2 here... |
| 10:10.25 | jelly | which is the exact same code as any other installer image, and will use the same install method |
| 10:10.48 | khelair | so ALL installers are going to require me to set up tftp on my server for the installation media to be served from? |
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| 10:11.44 | khelair | I mean I guess I could try that, I was just really hoping not to. m( |
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| 10:12.03 | jelly | far as I can tell, this is netinst not netboot |
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| 10:12.15 | jelly | which means it boots and starts the installer |
| 10:12.16 | khelair | oh. |
| 10:12.18 | khelair | gotcha |
| 10:12.47 | jelly | (haven't tested it tho) |
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| 10:13.55 | khelair | sorry to be such a pest but I really appreciate the help. do you have any idea where the partition.img.gz file can be found? |
| 10:14.15 | jelly | same directory as board-specific ones |
| 10:14.21 | khelair | m( |
| 10:14.23 | khelair | thank you |
| 10:14.46 | khelair | wow that lack of sleep is kind of kicking my ass. I really appreciate you guys putting up with me through this. |
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| 10:22.17 | khelair | heh this one, on the other hand, boots fine until it says that it's starting to read the kernel, then the screen goes dark and still has not come back up. bleh |
| 10:23.32 | khelair | oh it was _armbian_ that I used before. hrm. I would really rather be on _debian_ specifically, but I may just have to fall back on this if this kernel issue doesn't resolve soon here |
| 10:24.26 | Haohmaru | ? ccid |
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| 10:30.50 | Haohmaru | i'm looking into how to get a USB smartcard reader working (i actually only wanna see information from cards, not to authenticate with cards or anything practically useful), and everything i find points to some broken URLs on debian.org |
| 10:31.10 | Haohmaru | http://pcsclite.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 10:31.42 | themill | links with alioth in them need to be updated |
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| 10:33.01 | Haohmaru | i a bunch of programs that say "smartcard" including "cardpeek" and "pcsc-tools" and so far nothing.. they can't find a reader, yet i see it in lsusb |
| 10:33.09 | Haohmaru | * i installed |
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| 10:47.12 | kats99 | https://termbin.com/d3el i get this when i run startx.. https://termbin.com/sp9e is my xorg.conf |
| 10:48.48 | ratrace | kats99: using startx requires permissions on all needed /dev/ nodes |
| 10:49.20 | ratrace | requires *manually set and managed permissions, is what I mean. otherwies the DM in combo with logind, will deal with those |
| 10:49.37 | ratrace | It's 2021 almost. Just use a friggin DM. :) |
| 10:51.40 | kats99 | there was no xorg.conf file before and i generated one using nvidia settings..i was able to use startx before..if i remove the xorg.conf file it will work but im trying to use the nvidia gpu here |
| 10:52.04 | kats99 | i was able to load the modules this time... |
| 10:53.04 | kats99 | https://termbin.com/2ve8 is the xorg |
| 10:53.23 | kats99 | xorg.conf.nvidia in etc/bumblebee |
| 10:55.53 | Onyx47 | you don't need the xorg.conf file to use nvidia's driver anyway, the modules just need to get loaded properly, and nvidia-driver package should do that for you |
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| 10:56.45 | Onyx47 | or even nvidia's official installer if you're using that, which you should avoid unless you really, really need it for some reason |
| 10:57.05 | ratrace | oh bumblebee changes everything. everything you know about setting up nvida on a system can be tossed out, when bumblebee is mentioned. :) |
| 10:57.47 | Onyx47 | oh goodie, that's still such a pain? didn't mess with switchable graphics for ages myself, is it still that bad? |
| 10:59.20 | kats99 | then it means that i have to run optirun for each and every program because even without xorg file i dont see the gpu being used |
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| 11:04.19 | ratrace | Onyx47: it is to my knowledge. I mean, I guess there's a way to get it all working, but definitely aint' out of the box auto setup anything. |
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| 11:10.08 | Docscr | installed Konversation (IRC Client) Version 1.6-branch #4910 from KDE Frameworks 5.28.0, opened serverlist >>oh, nice, at least a "freenode" network preconfigured<< - alas I didn't feel at home at all, after much headdesking I found the actual server wasn't chat.freenode.net but irc.debian.sth - prettz rogue! |
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| 11:13.40 | Docscr | tomaw: ^^^^ |
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| 11:18.00 | jelly | ,v konversation |
| 11:18.01 | judd | Package: konversation on amd64 -- jessie: 1.5-2+deb8u1; jessie-security: 1.5-2+deb8u1; stretch: 1.6.2-2+deb9u1; stretch-security: 1.6.2-2+deb9u1; buster: 1.7.5-1; bullseye: 1.7.7-1; sid: 1.7.7-1 |
| 11:18.27 | jelly | Docscr: which debian release do you have installed? |
| 11:18.46 | Docscr | which cmdlune output do zou need? |
| 11:18.56 | Docscr | line* |
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| 11:19.18 | jelly | Docscr: lsb_release -sc |
| 11:19.53 | Docscr | root@j:~# lsb_release -sc |
| 11:19.55 | Docscr | stretch |
| 11:20.02 | jelly | debian 9, oldstable |
| 11:20.22 | Mava42 | mm, debian 9 <3 |
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| 11:23.22 | jelly | Docscr: seems to be fixed in debian 10. Two networks, one named "Debian IRC", other "Freenode" |
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| 11:24.45 | jelly | irc.debian.org used to point to freenode... way back in 2005 |
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| 11:25.30 | jelly | #958221 |
| 11:25.32 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/958221 in konversation (open): «konversation: Konversation has irc.debian.org configured as "Freenode"»; severity: normal; opened: 2020-04-19; last modified: 2020-04-19. |
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| 11:30.59 | Docscr | jelly: thanks |
| 11:31.22 | Docscr | sorry for the noise |
| 11:33.23 | jelly | np |
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| 11:46.40 | shtrb | irc.debian.net should be it's own network :) |
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| 12:36.32 | Lope | ratrace, I'm trying to run `mount -va` to mount my swap |
| 12:36.33 | Lope | but it |
| 12:36.45 | Lope | 's not mounting. Says ignored. |
| 12:37.32 | Lope | the line in fstab looks like this: /dev/mapper/my-swap none swap defaults 0 0 |
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| 12:42.50 | ratrace | Lope: you can't... mount... swap. it's not a filesystem that mounts to a directory. you can _activate_ with swapon |
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| 12:59.50 | Lope | ratrace, oh, okay thanks :) |
| 13:01.10 | martinus__ | apt question, let's say I issue 'apt install slapd', it would update 'libldap-2.4-2' as well, but is it expected to update 'libldap-common' (which is a dep of ''libldap-2.4-2' ? Asking because I issue the former command yesterday and today I got 'libldap-common' to update (but I don't remember if the latter package was pending yesterday). |
| 13:01.10 | apt | martinus__: what are you talking about? |
| 13:01.33 | martinus__ | (on a system that already have slapd installed of course) |
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| 13:08.44 | Lope | ratrace, is it really necessary to store /var/log in it's own zfs? |
| 13:09.27 | Lope | oops, wrong channel. |
| 13:10.03 | koollman | Lope: useful, not necessary. also additional file systems are cheap in zfs |
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| 13:10.48 | Lope | koollman, what might you do with it? |
| 13:11.00 | Lope | they're not cheap for my eyes |
| 13:11.08 | Lope | I have to read that crap when I run `zfs list` |
| 13:11.17 | koollman | that's pretty cheap :) |
| 13:11.37 | koollman | you might set a different quota than the rest of the system. (or do the opposite and add a storage reservation) |
| 13:11.59 | koollman | logs are on of those things that can grow unexpectedly |
| 13:12.01 | koollman | *one |
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| 13:12.27 | Lope | koollman, good points :) |
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| 13:26.34 | Deyaa | Can I ask you a question?? |
| 13:27.38 | ratrace | !ask |
| 13:27.38 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/ See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 14:22.37 | jhutchins | It's amusing that people still make administrative policies on their systems as if they have several hundred college students logging in to the system when in fact it's a single user environment. |
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| 14:24.27 | shtrb | jhutchins, college students are less dangerous than some applications these days |
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| 14:33.32 | ratrace | "single user" environment hasn't been the case in unix since its inception and isn't evne on a "single physical hooman operating the machine", with multitude of daemons, policy and permission separations, etc.... |
| 14:33.44 | ratrace | otherwise one wants: MS|Free DOS. |
| 14:34.43 | ratrace | And if you use a browser, then you potentially have all kinds of different actual separate physical persons touching your system with their code as you browse random sites, in which case even DAC policies no longer cut it, and you need a MAC... |
| 14:35.06 | shtrb | QubeOS |
| 14:35.07 | ratrace | security is hard and far, far from obvious. |
| 14:36.18 | ratrace | shtrb: no thanks. even if I like the model in theory, there's a flurry of xen vulns once in a month it seems. so I'd rather DIY with kvm |
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| 15:12.54 | Paerox | Is it possible to tell rsyslog to only listen to a spesific NIC or IP? |
| 15:13.13 | shtrb | yes |
| 15:13.46 | Paerox | shtrb, kool. Will read more docs then :-) |
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| 15:17.36 | shtrb | Paerox, https://www.rsyslog.com/files/temp/doc-indent/configuration/modules/imudp.html |
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| 15:19.18 | shtrb | Paerox, just use the modern style and not the old way of UDPServerAddress and UDPServerRun |
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| 15:25.38 | Paerox | shtrb, Thanks for the link. So, "$ConfigDirectiveName" is legacy, and "command(%variables%)" are modern style, do I understand that correctly? |
| 15:26.42 | shtrb | yes |
| 15:27.18 | shtrb | legacy may be broken at any time soon |
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| 15:28.21 | Paerox | Currently running Version 8.1901.0-1, so no doubt I'll go for modern style. |
| 15:28.48 | shtrb | ,v rsyslogd |
| 15:28.49 | judd | No package named 'rsyslogd' was found in amd64. |
| 15:28.50 | shtrb | ,v rsyslog |
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| 15:31.08 | Paerox | Version 8.1 I have is from buster (stable) :-). I rely on stable operation while learning |
| 15:33.56 | Paerox | Is there any reason why I should run a more recent version of rsyslog? |
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| 15:47.05 | jelly | Paerox: if you have to ask, no. |
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| 15:49.29 | Paerox | Well, i'm only asking because shtrb triggered the judd bot earlier |
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| 15:54.33 | jhutchins | ratrace: The 1500 servers I managed in my last job did not have a dozen users combined. |
| 15:55.02 | jhutchins | ratrace: 99% of the people here have only their own account on their single system. |
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| 15:55.43 | jhutchins | Muti-user environments are scarce these days, in the sense of a shell user as opposed to someone logging in to wordpress. |
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| 15:57.23 | ratrace | jhutchins: but a *nix system is NOT a single user, even if single human is using it. the OS doesn't care if it's a human behind an uid or not |
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| 15:58.05 | ratrace | or maybe you should specify what you mean by the administrative policies you mentioned and how are they specific |
| 15:58.35 | jhutchins | ratrace: If it's a personal computer with one user, "single" = "one". |
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| 15:59.38 | jhutchins | I guess people who have grown up in a GUI environment and have never logged in to a 1,000 user shell system have a different perspective. |
| 15:59.47 | greycat | We've got some workstations that are being used by multiple people simultaneously, due to the wonders of Covid-19. |
| 15:59.57 | greycat | VNC sessions for the users who are working from home. |
| 16:00.22 | jhutchins | greycat: Yech. Multi-VNC. My sympathies. |
| 16:00.59 | jhutchins | I think I'd take a different approach, but I have no idea what all the variables are. |
| 16:01.39 | n4dir | and full of wonders it all is, indeed. |
| 16:01.51 | ratrace | jhutchins: I think you mean the other way around. people grown up in a gui environment thinking they're the only "user" on the system, where in fact they aren't |
| 16:02.18 | n4dir | that would not be valid if you go for a cli only system? |
| 16:02.23 | ratrace | even a single UID can actually mean thousnds of physical people interacting with that system |
| 16:02.29 | jhutchins | I think I've encountered three use cases where VNC was a reasonable choice. Mostly there were better alternatives, but you pick your battles. |
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| 16:03.04 | jhutchins | ratrace: You are looking at the system from an entirely different viewpoint, and that's part of the security problem.. |
| 16:03.27 | greycat | Would you scream even louder if I told you they go through a Microsoft Windows "radmin" layer before running VNC on an internal Windows box to connect to the internal VNC session on the Debian box? |
| 16:03.32 | jhutchins | ratrace: People are securing public web services with local shell policies and expecting that to be effective. |
| 16:03.58 | ratrace | My viewpoint is actually security-centric, in which a singular human at a keyboard does not mean the system is running with ONE user, as far as security policies are concerned. |
| 16:03.59 | jhutchins | greycat: Nope, been there, already screamed as loud as I'm going to. |
| 16:04.53 | ratrace | (and frankly i'm not even concerned with single-human computers, I devise policies in which an UID is agnostic to the flesh or metal behind it) |
| 16:05.17 | ratrace | in that I don't care too much about UIDs at all, I prefer MACs instead of DACs |
| 16:06.14 | ratrace | and speaking of local shell policies, that's just aspect of the security , even for web servers. |
| 16:06.17 | jhutchins | I prefer WACs myself. |
| 16:07.02 | ratrace | see, people think "local exploit" only mean keyboard. while in fact, a RCE through, say, wordpress, turns EVERY "local" exploit on that machine into remote by virtue of allowing remote to execute any code they so desire, and in process, exploit the "local" privilege |
| 16:07.11 | ratrace | (... escalation vuln) |
| 16:07.51 | ratrace | I've actually had privilege (pun not intended) to observe a bot or something, maybe human, trying to exploit a kernel vuln through a WP exploit |
| 16:08.37 | ratrace | they were trying to download a remote file and exec it. while unfortunately the policy must allow WP to write files, even modify itself, and fetch files remotely (sigh...).... the MAC policy completly put a halt into that attempt to exec the code. |
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| 16:09.18 | ratrace | so to be clear, the attacker was someone or somethigg, somewhere on the planet (the IP was .ru), exploiting a WP hole to launch second stage attack agains the kernel |
| 16:09.35 | ratrace | so you see, all those "local priv" policies can be tossed out because that person, or bot, just turned them all into remote vulns. |
| 16:10.29 | jhutchins | ratrace: When people apply security measures that are appropriate for publically exposed service systems to personal desktops, thinking they're being "security aware" it's just ... modern America I guess. |
| 16:11.25 | ratrace | depends on what the measures are. I treat my firefox as a hostile app that runs remote code that might try to exploit my system. And thus the AA policy and DAC policy below it, reflects that stance. |
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| 16:11.52 | ratrace | (I write my own AA policies, the packaged ones are a joke) |
| 16:12.06 | zeedee | what is the proper way to restart networking? machine will not come back online unless i reboot |
| 16:12.23 | jhutchins | Meanwhile on another channel someone is worried about taking sufficient security measures on a machine that is not on a network. |
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| 16:12.52 | ksk | zeedee: "ifdown -a; ifup -a" - afaik... |
| 16:13.13 | ksk | jhutchins: if you have these internet coins on them, might be valid ;) |
| 16:13.25 | ratrace | jhutchins: but at the end of the day, treating FF that way, or the WP/php-fpm daemon, is effectively the same: you have running code which you're trying to isolate from a remote threat actor executing a successful first stage RCE. doesn't matter what the /usr/bin/<name> really is. both are exposed to a remote party. |
| 16:13.32 | zeedee | i had been doing sudo service networking restart |
| 16:14.08 | ratrace | zeedee: the networking.service (which does the ifdown + ifup) applies if you're using the ifupdown framework, which is default on debian. are you using that? |
| 16:14.15 | ratrace | or perhaps networkd? network-manager? something else? |
| 16:14.17 | jhutchins | ratrace: See previous reference. No external connection. Not even local networking. |
| 16:14.26 | ratrace | jhutchins: well that's different then, agreed |
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| 16:16.50 | jhutchins | ratrace: I have worked in environments where security lockdowns were appropriate. I managed servers that handled significant federal financial transactions, and had to argue for geo-ip blocking APEC and South American IPs. |
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| 16:19.01 | zeedee | ratrace: i belive so, failry fresh install and i dont know enough to change it. how can i check? |
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| 16:20.25 | ratrace | zeedee: is your network defined through /etc/network/interfaces ? If yes, that's ifupdown and thus networking.service |
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| 16:23.16 | zeedee | ratrace: it is. thats the file i edited for static ip. |
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| 16:24.36 | ratrace | zeedee: and when you restart the networking.service, the network is cut off? are you doing that over ssh? |
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| 16:26.57 | zeedee | ratrace: yes, and yes. i understand that if networking service goes down so would ssh. I just expect it to show back up on the router after networking gets started again. But the machine never shows up, unless i reboot. |
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| 16:27.52 | ratrace | zeedee: you'll have to look into the log files, maybe the service never gets back up for some reason. pastebin your config, could be something is breaking it |
| 16:28.16 | ratrace | but then it'd break on boot too, so this is a bit unusual :: definitely check in the logs |
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| 16:29.16 | zeedee | which config are you interested in? and i'll look around some log files |
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| 16:30.53 | greycat | if you're going to bring down the network over ssh, at least make sure you do it inside a tmux/screen session |
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| 16:31.31 | greycat | otherwise, if you're doing it in a raw shell, the shell dies as soon as the ssh session dies as soon as the network dies, which may kill the thing that's supposed to resuscitate the network |
| 16:31.33 | ja869117 | OT ? - my laptop has died, a noble beast but old. My ? what would be a "good" replacement must be linux "capable? |
| 16:31.55 | zeedee | greycat: i use tmux at boot |
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| 16:32.15 | greycat | I have no idea what that means. |
| 16:32.37 | zeedee | first thing i do on a fresh boot is start tmux |
| 16:32.57 | greycat | so, *not* at boot. at first login. |
| 16:32.58 | Paerox | zeedee, have you set up tmux as a service? |
| 16:33.10 | zeedee | yes, thank you |
| 16:33.26 | greycat | and did you remember to attach to that session on the *current* login as well? |
| 16:33.35 | Paerox | ah, i see. I also run tmux at first login |
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| 16:34.58 | zeedee | greycat: now i dont understand. if the machine reboots all sessions are gone. if i dont reboot and start a fresh ssh connection yes i reattach |
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| 16:35.29 | greycat | All I'm saying is that if you ssh'ed in and then typed "service restart network" or whatever, but FORGOT to attach to your tmux session first, then that might explain your issue. |
| 16:36.26 | ratrace | I'm not sure systemd would break like that. unlike the "old" days where you actualyl execute the init script from within your shell, systemctl talks to pid1 afaik |
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| 16:36.44 | ratrace | (and dbus if you exec it as unprivileged user) |
| 16:37.09 | greycat | Does it send a full "stop it and then restart it, please" message all at once, or does it send a "stop it" message, then wait for ack, then send a "now start it" message? |
| 16:37.12 | ratrace | ((but definitely run through tmux ,that's very good advice; I'm just saying I'm not sure it'd break like that)) |
| 16:38.04 | ratrace | in systemd a "restart" is always ExecStop + ExecStart |
| 16:38.33 | ratrace | There's no ExecStopStart where one could, say, put "ifdown -a ; sleep 1 ; ifup -a" |
| 16:38.47 | ratrace | (one could put that into ExecReload tho) |
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| 16:39.12 | zeedee | greycat: i appreciate the idea because i do overlook simple things but yes, always inside tmux |
| 16:40.07 | ratrace | ..... thenagain...... does restarting networking.service have anything to do with the ssh process.... |
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| 16:40.34 | Franciman | Hi, is there any ETA for bullseye? |
| 16:40.40 | greycat | not yet |
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| 16:41.15 | greycat | https://wiki.debian.org/DebianBullseye is what's currently known |
| 16:41.38 | Franciman | merci beaucoup |
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| 16:43.20 | Wh0amI_ | hi all |
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| 16:45.17 | Franciman | bb |
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| 16:45.24 | shtrb | jhutchins, sorry to jump into conversation, but many modern pc (and laptops) are no longer "not on a network anymore" , they are potential attack vector only waiting to upload your sensitve data to some attacker (aka a cloud service). Any machine is considered to be compromised after some time. A PC not connected to the internet but has access to interal WiFi (very common thing in Black networks) one day this mofo could be made on a public ip because |
| 16:45.25 | shtrb | of a intellectually chalenged mistake (seen it , been there ) |
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| 17:09.29 | zeedee | ratrace: was there a config that i should be looking at? not finding much(nothing that i can tell) in the logs |
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| 17:12.56 | ratrace | zeedee: so to confirm, if you restart networking.service, while in tmux, it breaks the same? |
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| 17:23.24 | zeedee | ratrace: yup |
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| 17:24.08 | zeedee | my workaround right now is to su and set a timer and reboot command. machine will come back |
| 17:24.14 | zeedee | which is gross |
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| 17:31.15 | ratrace | no, there has to be something in the logs. after you reboot, do grep ifup /var/log/messages (or enable persistent journald and use journalctl) , there has to be something about it |
| 17:31.59 | ratrace | if it comes back online on boot that means the configuration at least is correct, or else it wouldn't. so i'm betting there's something going on that prevents the ifup to complete, after ifdown, doens't make much sense otherwise |
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| 17:35.51 | greycat | If zeedee didn't enable persistent logging, then the reboot would have clobbered any evidence of the problem. |
| 17:36.00 | greycat | !listkeys persistent |
| 17:36.01 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'persistent' by key (4): persistent journal ;; iptables-persistent ;; disable persistent interface naming ;; persistent live. |
| 17:36.06 | greycat | !persistent journal |
| 17:36.06 | dpkg | In Debian releases 8-10, systemd's journal is not persistent by default. To enable a persistent journal, enable Storage=persistent in /etc/systemd/journald.conf. Persistence will be the default in Debian 11 Bullseye. |
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| 17:38.25 | ratrace | well yeah, I mentioned it should be made persistent if journalctl is to be used. |
| 17:38.36 | jelly | isn't it enough to mkdir /var/log/journal and reboot? |
| 17:38.40 | ratrace | btw, is that settled, then? persistent journald WILL be default in bullseye? |
| 17:39.08 | ratrace | jelly: it is but that's the implicit way assuming defaults . Much better is to be explicit in the journald.conf |
| 17:39.10 | greycat | jelly: yes, because of course there have to be two completely different ways of doing it, both of them well documented in separate locations... |
| 17:39.30 | ratrace | they're all documented in the one and the same journald.conf(5) |
| 17:39.33 | jelly | ratrace: I want to avoid changing default conffiles. |
| 17:39.44 | ratrace | jelly: why |
| 17:39.53 | jelly | ratrace: because I like distro defaults |
| 17:39.59 | ratrace | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:40.06 | jelly | and I want to stick to them unless there's a good reason not to |
| 17:40.13 | ratrace | but by mkdir'ing youre changing distro defaults.... o.O |
| 17:40.26 | jelly | ratrace: I'm not changing any conffiles |
| 17:40.32 | ratrace | well anywya, if you prefer mkdir instead of being explicit in the configs, by all means.... :) |
| 17:40.48 | ratrace | sounds like an artificial constraint, but hey, whatever floats your boat ;) |
| 17:40.49 | jelly | and that makes less work on any upgrades and release upgrades. |
| 17:40.52 | jelly | ^^ |
| 17:41.46 | ratrace | very much depends on what specific software does in future releases. |
| 17:41.52 | jelly | ratrace: I like future me to avoid needless work. |
| 17:41.56 | jmcnaught | You can always make /etc/systemd/journald.conf.d/blah.conf |
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| 17:42.15 | jelly | jmcnaught: so that's three ways. :-) |
| 17:42.16 | ratrace | meanwhile.... is persistent journald definitely going to be default in bullseye? remember there was a conflict about it, assuming rsyslog will remain as well, which is just plain dumb.... |
| 17:42.33 | greycat | jelly: but what if I happen to read systemd-journald(8) instead of journald.conf(5) ??!??!?? |
| 17:42.41 | zeedee | greycat: do i need to do anything after making the change? |
| 17:42.45 | jelly | greycat: SEE ALSO? |
| 17:43.17 | greycat | systemd-journald(8) has an indented two-line recipe for enabling it which doesn't mention editing any files |
| 17:43.41 | greycat | but now you're telling me that a DIFFERENT man page from the SAME committee has a different set of instructions...? |
| 17:43.47 | jelly | and you think systemd official docs are relevant for actual best practices. |
| 17:44.10 | ratrace | systemd-journald(8) even refers to Storage= in journald.conf(5) in the section about /var/log/journal! |
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| 17:44.28 | zeedee | ratrace: no ifup in /var/log/messages |
| 17:44.32 | jmcnaught | The systemd README.Debian says to do it the same way as systemd-journald(8) |
| 17:44.39 | ratrace | zeedee: how 'bout ifdown ? |
| 17:44.48 | greycat | is that right above the indented two-line recipe, or right after it, or somewhere VERY FAR away that nobody will ever see because they already saw the indented commands? |
| 17:44.52 | zeedee | nada |
| 17:45.37 | jelly | oh, forgot about chgrp/chmod. It's not just mkdir. |
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| 17:46.08 | ratrace | jelly: HAH! and instead you could've just set Storage=persistent and be done with it (assuming jd restart being common to both methods) |
| 17:46.25 | ratrace | talk about making less work..... |
| 17:46.51 | jelly | ratrace: yes. More work once and less work on every future change in conffile is worth it. |
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| 17:48.01 | ratrace | jelly: gee, every two years you have to review conffiles for any OTHER changes that may've not been caused by messing with files.... it really doesn't compute :) |
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| 17:48.19 | ratrace | but boat. floating. whatever. :) |
| 17:48.58 | jelly | I don't review changes for untouched conffiles, dpkg replaces those automatically |
| 17:49.28 | ratrace | jelly: you should. new versions of software include new functionality and you should review what the new config options are, default or no default. |
| 17:49.34 | jelly | it's like you've never done a release upgrade |
| 17:49.58 | jelly | that doesn't have to be done interactively during release upgrade time. |
| 17:50.35 | ratrace | I'm talking about the "extra" work needed. for release upgrade you can just leave as is and later fiddle with changes |
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| 17:51.24 | jelly | leave what? confold or confnew? Track conffiles for EVERY package? No. I care about precious few services, and trust the distro with most others. |
| 17:52.08 | ratrace | I don't trust the distro with anything, especially not debian and its bad defaults. |
| 17:52.10 | jelly | maybe you don't do interactive release upgrade in-place |
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| 17:53.08 | jelly | well I assume the distro people know what they're doing, and that defaults will deliver a working system |
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| 17:53.44 | jelly | they've mostly delievered on that since I've been using Debian |
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| 17:54.05 | digdilem | Me too. Been using it for about two decades now. |
| 17:54.11 | shtrb | jelly, would you trust a nextcloud release upgrades ? |
| 17:54.35 | jelly | shtrb: I have no idea who makes it and how well it's made. |
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| 17:55.24 | jelly | shtrb: if it were a debian.org subproject, and debian promised working in-place upgrades and release notes, I would |
| 17:57.12 | shtrb | jelly, at one point , onecloud (nextcloud predecssor) was nuked from debian (that was that bad ) |
| 17:58.40 | alex11 | afaict debian has by far the best reputation of a linux distribution |
| 17:58.44 | alex11 | i trust it |
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| 18:04.45 | wr | my /boot is at 99% capacity, how would i resize it accordingly? my disk uses the default full disk encryption of the install |
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| 18:05.18 | alex11 | see if there's old kernels you can remove |
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| 18:08.00 | jelly | wr: how large is it? |
| 18:08.28 | wr | jelly, 236M |
| 18:08.32 | shtrb | is /boot on the same encrypted volume ? |
| 18:09.00 | jelly | wr: eh, that should be enough for 3-5 kernelses |
| 18:09.49 | shtrb | jelly, the default now encrypts or not /boot ? |
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| 18:10.12 | wr | shtrb, how would check it? but i guess yes |
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| 18:10.27 | johnfg | hi folks! |
| 18:10.47 | johnfg | I've got a problem, running latest debian, all updates. |
| 18:11.00 | jelly | wr: pastebin your "df" and "lsblk" output. |
| 18:11.27 | jelly | but as a stop-gap measure, what alex eleven said. |
| 18:11.53 | johnfg | On occasion, like right now, my terminals won't wake up after a logout. I can access things fine from ttys. |
| 18:12.08 | johnfg | What can I do to check to see what's causing the problem? |
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| 18:13.01 | wr | jelly, https://paste.debian.net/1173018/ |
| 18:13.55 | jelly | wr: it will be very hard to resize /boot unless you can resize the whole disk, and then move sda2 to make space to resize sda1 |
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| 18:14.28 | wr | jelly, shtrb changing this will full disk encryption give any problem? |
| 18:14.43 | jelly | wr: is this a physical or a virtual machine? |
| 18:14.56 | shtrb | wr , as alex11 said , it would be hard to move stuff up , you can however configure your grub2 to take a different /boot from inside the encrypted disk part . |
| 18:15.00 | wr | jelly, physical |
| 18:15.04 | shtrb | we, * do as alex11 said |
| 18:15.37 | another | wr: how many kernels do you have installed? |
| 18:15.39 | jelly | wr: and the whole disk is just 30GB or so? |
| 18:15.58 | shtrb | *wr , do as alex11 said , it's easier to get rid of stuff you do not need anymore |
| 18:16.13 | alex11 | i'm getting incessantly pinged... |
| 18:16.19 | alex11 | pls stop |
| 18:16.25 | shtrb | sorry |
| 18:16.29 | wr | another, one |
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| 18:16.53 | jelly | wr: how many /boot/vmlinuz* are there right now? |
| 18:17.12 | wr | jelly, yes, my disk is 30GB, small one ;) |
| 18:18.04 | wr | jelly, 3 /boot/vmlinuz-5.4.0-kali4-686-pae /boot/vmlinuz-5.9.0-kali1-686-pae /boot/vmlinuz-5.9.0-kali2-686-pae |
| 18:18.08 | shtrb | would you consider instead creating a new /boot inisde the encrypted parttion ? |
| 18:18.16 | shtrb | wr ,you are using kali @!$!@%%!% |
| 18:18.17 | alex11 | welp, you're on kali |
| 18:18.30 | greycat | *plonk* |
| 18:18.36 | wr | shtrb, yes, is debian based |
| 18:18.42 | jelly | wr: that's not debian, but figure out which packages those belong to, and remove the oldest one that's not actually running right now |
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| 18:19.03 | jelly | wr: we don't support derivative distros in here, sorry |
| 18:19.18 | wr | jelly, debian based, ah ok sorry |
| 18:19.32 | johnfg | I just checked, and even though I can connect with vnc, no screen coming up there either. |
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| 18:20.02 | shtrb | dpkg luks-boot is https://cryptsetup-team.pages.debian.net/cryptsetup/encrypted-boot.html |
| 18:20.02 | dpkg | shtrb: okay |
| 18:20.12 | shtrb | !tell wr about !luks-boot |
| 18:20.16 | wr | jelly, but since i have three other pc running debian how would i do that on debian on /boot at same 30GB disk size? |
| 18:20.18 | jmcnaught | johnfg: what does "my terminals won't wake up after a logout." mean? |
| 18:20.24 | johnfg | Any idea what's wrong? The only thing I've been able to do to get the screen to come alive is to reboot. |
| 18:20.41 | jelly | wr: if I weren't banned on #kali-linux I'd suggest moving the conversation there |
| 18:21.16 | johnfg | jmcnaught: On both monitors for this system, they stay black when I move the mouse, enter something from the keyboard, etc. |
| 18:21.27 | jelly | wr: you would do the same thing, > figure out which packages those belong to, and remove the oldest one that's not actually running right now |
| 18:21.32 | shtrb | wr, one option would be to migrate a boot into / using somethign like https://cryptsetup-team.pages.debian.net/cryptsetup/encrypted-boot.html |
| 18:21.33 | wr | jelly, i did post it there, but seems the guys are busy, so far no reply |
| 18:21.45 | johnfg | However, when I choose a tty (other than tty7) I can login with no problem. |
| 18:21.52 | bla | Habe someone recently configured opencl with nvidia under bullseye? is something external required? |
| 18:22.22 | wr | jelly, shtrb i'm thinking if a fresh install on this would be faster than some operations since i still don't know how to resize |
| 18:22.30 | jmcnaught | johnfg: have you looked at what is in the logs when this happens? |
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| 18:22.52 | shtrb | wr, it would be easier to uninstall old kernels |
| 18:22.57 | sney | bla: cuda isn't supported with nvidia and 5.9, either use an older kernel (5.8 should be ok) or wait for nvidia to publish the updated driver. |
| 18:23.06 | jelly | wr: I'll stop commenting on this issue in here now. Maybe try ##linux |
| 18:23.19 | sney | bla: and please take future bullseye questions to #debian-next on OFTC (note right now you are on freenode). |
| 18:23.28 | bla | sney: thanks a lot. |
| 18:24.04 | shtrb | johnfg, check if user have enough disk space and if .Xauthority is owned by the same user |
| 18:24.18 | jelly | johnfg: but the monitors show black screen, not "no signal" ? |
| 18:24.33 | johnfg | jelly: correct |
| 18:24.40 | jelly | that's interesting |
| 18:24.50 | greycat | nvidia driver issue? |
| 18:25.14 | shtrb | johnfg, have you tried moving to multi-user and then back to graphical ? |
| 18:25.58 | wr | shtrb, i think just that solves this |
| 18:26.16 | wr | jelly, ok tahnks |
| 18:26.23 | wr | *thanks |
| 18:26.35 | shtrb | johnfg, sudo systemctl isolate multi-user , and then sudo systemctl isolate graphical |
| 18:26.36 | jelly | wonders |
| 18:26.44 | jelly | dpkg, buster->bullseye |
| 18:26.44 | dpkg | In /etc/apt/sources.list, change "buster" to "bullseye", remove lines like buster-backports, debian-multimedia <dmo>, and other 3rd party repos as they are known to cause issues then do: apt update && apt upgrade && apt full-upgrade. Note that testing is a <moving target> and may be buggy, and read the sid FAQ: https://deb.li/sidfaq |
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| 18:26.54 | greycat | restarting the DM service would be simpler, I would think |
| 18:27.11 | jelly | it does sound as if *dm is stuck somehow yes |
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| 18:27.37 | shtrb | greycat, but then you may get with a stale dbus process that might not restart for example |
| 18:27.50 | chieta | where is the lsb release of debian file |
| 18:28.05 | greycat | !lsb |
| 18:28.06 | dpkg | lsb is, like, Debian is dropping LSB support; see https://lwn.net/Articles/658809/ -- Linux Standard Base is a set of guidelines which all linux distributions should follow to ensure compatability between them. http://www.linuxfoundation.org/collaborate/workgroups/lsb . See also <lsb tags>, <fancytty>. |
| 18:28.27 | NetTerminalGene | do debian buster support xfs? |
| 18:28.32 | greycat | yes |
| 18:28.50 | jelly | it do |
| 18:29.21 | NetTerminalGene | trisquel has default xfs |
| 18:29.30 | jelly | good for them |
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| 18:29.38 | wr | any way can upgrade my debian buster to use xfce 4.14? and it be stable? not testing etc |
| 18:29.48 | alex11 | xfce isn't backported so no not really |
| 18:30.02 | alex11 | i don't know if it's possible to self backport; backporting whole desktops generally is hard |
| 18:30.08 | alex11 | it's been done with MATE though |
| 18:30.23 | wr | alex11, do you think it will take long for it to have the xfce 4.14 on buster? |
| 18:30.36 | alex11 | it will never be in buster |
| 18:30.38 | jelly | wr: it will never happen unless you do it yourself |
| 18:30.39 | shtrb | maybe something on OSB ? |
| 18:30.47 | wr | alex11, ah ok |
| 18:31.09 | jelly | and bullseye freeze is close. IF you absolutely need xfce 4.14 you might as well go try using that |
| 18:31.12 | alex11 | but like it's xfce so you're probably not missing a lot with a newer version |
| 18:31.23 | greycat | In totally unrelated news I got to install libncurses-dev today. I built the bash 5.1.0-rc3 pre-release, and it did the ksh sideways-scrolling thing which I find unbearable. I installed libncurses-dev and rebuilt it, and now it's working properly. |
| 18:31.24 | jelly | they'd be missing .02 |
| 18:31.25 | johnfg | brb on phone |
| 18:31.25 | wr | jelly, alex11 ok i get it, so now is time wait |
| 18:31.26 | alex11 | or rather, with an older version |
| 18:31.26 | shtrb | *OBS |
| 18:32.19 | jelly | greycat: what did you build it against if it weren't ncurses in the first place |
| 18:32.38 | greycat | its ./configure finds various termios.h or whatever and uses them |
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| 18:32.49 | jelly | wait, is ncurses singular or plural |
| 18:32.59 | greycat | I didn't save or scour through the configure logs or anything |
| 18:33.15 | greycat | I consider it singular |
| 18:33.26 | jelly | it's probably sane to grab debian's build-deps before building anything complex |
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| 18:33.45 | jelly | but yeah I wouldn't expect bash to be complex either |
| 18:34.21 | johnfg | Sorry about that, got a call. |
| 18:34.27 | greycat | ldd on the working one gives me linux-vdso.so.1 libtinfo.so.6 libdl.so.2 libc.so.6 /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 |
| 18:34.38 | johnfg | I'll try what shtrb said. |
| 18:35.02 | jelly | judd: file libtinfo.so.6.* |
| 18:35.06 | judd | Search for libtinfo.so.6.* in buster/amd64: lib32tinfo6: lib32/libtinfo.so.6.1; libtinfo6: lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libtinfo.so.6.1 |
| 18:35.25 | jelly | hell if I know whether that's ncurses or not |
| 18:35.34 | jelly | ,i libtinfo6 |
| 18:35.36 | judd | Package libtinfo6 (libs, optional) in buster/amd64: shared low-level terminfo library for terminal handling. Version: 6.1+20181013-2+deb10u2; Size: 317.7k; Installed: 521k; Homepage: https://invisible-island.net/ncurses/ |
| 18:36.46 | greycat | All I can tell you is "apt-get install libncurses-dev" changed the behavior of the resulting build. |
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| 18:40.54 | johnfg | Well, running 'systemctl isolate multi-user' messed up the ttys, and all I had was a blinking cursor. After a reboot, all looks good, but after a logout, not sure whether I'll have the graphical interface or not. |
| 18:41.51 | greycat | I believe the intent was that you would run that isolate command *after* you reach the failed state. |
| 18:42.12 | greycat | (and then the other isolate command, to restart the DM) |
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| 18:42.39 | jmcnaught | johnfg: which release of Debian? What is the DM/DE? What GPU and drivers? |
| 18:42.44 | johnfg | What logs should I look in? I don't see anything of note in Xorg.0.log. |
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| 18:43.07 | johnfg | jmcnaught: Buster, all updates. |
| 18:43.08 | zeedee | greycat: my interfaces file was bad. i had allow-hotplug enp1s0, should have been auto enp1s0. atleast that change seemed to fix things. thanks for the help |
| 18:43.14 | zeedee | ratrace: thank you too |
| 18:43.40 | greycat | zeedee: congrats |
| 18:48.20 | wr | another, jelly shtrb solved, was just deleting old kernels, thanks |
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| 18:48.22 | johnfg | X-cinnamon for the DE, lightdm for my DM |
| 18:48.54 | johnfg | This is a *recent* problem. |
| 18:51.23 | jmcnaught | johnfg: "journalctl -e" will show you the system journal and jump to the end. |
| 18:51.41 | johnfg | I'll run that jmcnaught. |
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| 18:53.41 | Wh0amI_ | hi |
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| 18:54.08 | johnfg | not seeing anything of note. |
| 18:54.37 | Wh0amI_ | hello friends |
| 18:55.18 | Wh0amI_ | j br |
| 18:55.26 | shtrb | johnfg, if you are with X check messages under ~/.xsession-errors |
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| 18:57.50 | zeedee | real quick, now that i can restart networking correctly, will an bad line in /etc/hosts cause me to lose remote connection? im now working on setting a fqdn. thanks folks |
| 18:58.08 | greycat | your /etc/hosts file doesn't do nearly as much as you think it does |
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| 18:58.40 | greycat | it's used when some program decides to look up a hostname using the standard libc interfaces. it'll look there first (assuming your nsswitch.conf is default-ish), and then look in DNS if not found in /etc/hosts. |
| 18:59.27 | johnfg | shtrb: ok |
| 18:59.30 | greycat | editing it doesn't have any effect on already-running programs, unless one of them decides to look up a new hostname, or ignore the cached value of the hostname it already has |
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| 19:00.14 | shtrb | zeedee, /etc/hosts hold results that has a higher priorities than other options (like DNS , NMBD ) , you could drop yourself from being able to acess to some service (and by product fail to access to your identify provider if you are using LDAP/radius auth ) but chances are low for that. |
| 19:00.35 | zeedee | so sendmail complains about not having fqdn. sounds like i can edit hosts file and just re-run sendmailconfig? |
| 19:01.14 | greycat | good luck finding someone who still knows sendmail |
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| 19:01.58 | shtrb | johnfg, if after isolate multi-user you had no option in tty to do isolate graphical you have something wrong on the DM level , session level , or a service inside your DE. a test in the failed state you can do (if you are under X ) to log in into a tty and run startX to see if you can enter a session there |
| 19:02.08 | zeedee | it works good on my rented vps... is there a better option? i just want to send alerts to myself |
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| 19:03.18 | shtrb | zeedee, you should update hosts file and your config |
| 19:04.09 | jmcnaught | zeedee: if you are not running a full MTA mail server then you probably want something simpler like nullmailer or msmtp-mta |
| 19:05.06 | jmcnaught | zeedee: if you *are* running an MTA then you still probably want something simpler than sendmail, like exim4 or postfix. |
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| 19:06.58 | scrul00se | zeedee: personally I like to use msmtp to provide a tiny "dummy mta" which just uses my (paid, not local) email account to send alerts |
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| 19:08.40 | johnfg | Well, doing a startx from tty1 worked fine, but it killed my session on tty7. |
| 19:09.01 | greycat | sounds like you didn't *have* a session on 7 any more |
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| 19:09.29 | johnfg | greycat: When I selected tty7, I had the DM login screen. |
| 19:09.50 | johnfg | Full DE session on tty1 though. |
| 19:10.05 | shtrb | can you try reproduce the probelm , and then try to run start X on a different tty |
| 19:10.20 | greycat | startx with no arguments on tty1 should definitely NOT kill a running X session on tty7 |
| 19:10.22 | jelly | zeedee: msmtp-mta or dma if you're going to send all mail to one address |
| 19:10.28 | jelly | !nullmailer |
| 19:10.28 | dpkg | somebody said nullmailer was a minimal <MTA> for hosts which just sends directly to smart relays. Does not support /etc/aliases; define a catch-all alias in /etc/nullmailer/adminaddr instead, see adminaddr(5). http://untroubled.org/nullmailer/ See also <ssmtp>. |
| 19:10.49 | jelly | !null mailer |
| 19:10.51 | shtrb | johnfg, do you have a running dbus-user-session package ? |
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| 19:11.01 | jelly | okay, we don't have a generic factoid for those |
| 19:11.02 | zeedee | not trying to run and MTA |
| 19:11.05 | johnfg | Yeah, I thought about that. I'll do a graphical logout, i.e. choosing it from the menu, and see what happens to the screens. |
| 19:11.23 | shtrb | johnfg, check if you have installed dbus-user-session |
| 19:12.08 | scrul00se | jelly: that said, msmtp is not *quite* that basic, and does support /etc/aliases and sending to multiple addresses. |
| 19:12.12 | jelly | zeedee: right, that's when you use a null mailer, a small tool that provides /usr/sbin/sendmail API but typically sends all mail generated on the server to one address, using one smtp auth server |
| 19:12.18 | johnfg | Looks like all I have running is needrestart-dbus-session. |
| 19:12.57 | jelly | scrul00se: aliases are nice, useful to sort mail later |
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| 19:16.12 | scrul00se | jelly: Yep. My main use case for msmtp is a systemd oneshot containing a "mail" oneliner that sends "Unit %n failed!" and a log excerpt to my real-world email address, which I can add to the OnFailure directive of any systemd unit. I've been very happy with it |
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| 19:26.06 | alexrelis[m] | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:26.06 | alexrelis[m] | https://paste.debian.net/hidden/e1c59b7e/ |
| 19:27.32 | alexrelis[m] | I would like to add that the backup was through SFTP if that helps. |
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| 19:31.25 | johnfg | I do have dbus-user-session installed. |
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| 19:37.57 | johnfg | After I leave here in a bit, and come back around 6 p.m. MST, I'll see what I've got. Probably won't be able to troubleshoot any problems until Thursday, though. |
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| 19:40.36 | johnfg | btw...does pastebinit not work any longer? I tried both a cat <file> | pastebinit; and a pastebinit <file>, and I got errors (the same). |
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| 19:41.51 | johnfg | Part of the error: /usr/bin/pastebinit:413: DeprecationWarning: pasteURLopener style of invoking requests is deprecated. Use newer urlopen functions/methods |
| 19:43.03 | greycat | sounds like a good reason to give up and just use nc with a site of your choice |
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| 19:43.52 | johnfg | greycat: is pastebinit deprecated (as well as not working?)? |
| 19:44.28 | greycat | I have no idea. The three seconds I spent reading your error would be enough to make me give up on it, if I were trying to use it. |
| 19:44.32 | Onyx47 | https://termbin.com worked great for me for such a usecase |
| 19:44.51 | greycat | Exactly. You can set up an alias for termbin.com (or similar) in a few seconds, and be done with it. |
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| 19:45.38 | johnfg | Thanks guys for all the help today. |
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| 19:47.11 | n4dir | I think the DeprecationWarningis really just that, a Warning. I had it not working, pastebinit, but the solution was not related to that. |
| 19:47.35 | n4dir | well: i have it non-working pretty often. Back and forth, it seems |
| 19:48.07 | n4dir | last time might have related to the shebang, not that sure, been a while |
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| 19:49.46 | Onyx47 | damn, I should set up my shell differently on my laptop and desktop, I almost broke my apt sources.list right now, forgot I was SSHd into my laptop -.- |
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| 19:50.09 | n4dir | probably a good time to backup all of /etc |
| 19:52.04 | n4dir | looks like i forgot it :-) 8.8 MB. Nice and easy |
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| 19:56.40 | Wh0amI_ | hello firends |
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| 19:57.55 | Wh0amI_ | How are you |
| 19:58.09 | Wh0amI_ | n4dir, hello |
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| 20:00.00 | Wh0amI_ | my pasword is whoamipass233 |
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| 20:07.55 | neilthereildeil | how can i use supervisord to implement a watchdog when a service dies? |
| 20:08.23 | greycat | are you not using systemd? |
| 20:08.49 | neilthereildeil | yes i think... |
| 20:09.06 | greycat | if you're using systemd to define and run the service, just set it to restart automatically |
| 20:09.47 | neilthereildeil | i remember i configured supervisord though. Are supervisord and systemd mutually exclusive for launching services? |
| 20:10.34 | jmcnaught | Why duplicate the functionality of systemd by adding another service manager? |
| 20:10.51 | neilthereildeil | im already using supervisord. its already configured. |
| 20:11.09 | greycat | in that case, you know more about how to use it than we do |
| 20:11.10 | neilthereildeil | i want to make sure the service is restarted, using the infrastructure ive already setup |
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| 20:11.28 | Waxhead | I asked this in Debian-next , but I might as well try here too. Is there some way to boot debian from a live-cd. e.g. "jump-start" without grub the main install from a chroot or something? |
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| 20:11.31 | neilthereildeil | is autorestart even an option in supervisord? |
| 20:11.42 | greycat | ... you don't know?! |
| 20:11.55 | greycat | sounds like you haven't invested much time into this |
| 20:12.07 | neilthereildeil | i did like 2 years ago |
| 20:13.05 | ratrace | neilthereildeil: just replace it with a proper systemd service. your future self will be immensely thankful. |
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| 20:14.25 | ratrace | then again your inability to look up a simple config option in the supervisord docs tells me that's gonna be Mission Impossible. |
| 20:14.37 | Wh0amI_ | I discovered that debian is linux, what do I do ?! |
| 20:14.50 | greycat | whatever you like |
| 20:15.22 | karlpinc | I'm looking at a moin-moin wiki web page. I believe the font supplied by css is "Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif". Chromium seems to render it in DejaView Sans. I think firefix is rendering it as Aerial bold. I don't believe I have aerial installed (but am not sure how to check.) Anyway, all the text is bold in firefox, but not chromium. What's going on and what's the right way to fix it so firefox does not show everything in |
| 20:15.22 | karlpinc | bold? |
| 20:16.15 | ratrace | sounds like something broken in fontconfig |
| 20:16.45 | ratrace | "font supplied by css" would imply there's a .ttf definition for download, rendering your local fonts irrelevant, tho |
| 20:17.38 | ratrace | unless you really meant font-family definition, and not @font-face |
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| 20:18.20 | karlpinc | ratrace: I'm looking at the inspector in both browsers to see what font css says it should be to determine the font. |
| 20:18.43 | karlpinc | font-family |
| 20:21.20 | karlpinc | (strangly, this particular wiki has a different font-family than https://moinmo.in does. The latter just says "font-family: sans-serif", which shows up the same in both browsers.) |
| 20:21.36 | ratrace | right, so with font-family, it lists fonts in order and your browser selects first found. Arial is not a free font, so it's unlikely you have it unless you explcitly installed it from somewhere. Lucida is not typical on linux systems, I don't recall if its free, so that leaves whatevre system would define as sans-serif |
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| 20:22.44 | karlpinc | ratrace: The firefox inspector claims the font it is showing is Aerial. FWIW. |
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| 20:26.03 | karlpinc | And firefox claims the default font is DejaView Serif. I think I'll ignore the problem and see if it goes away the next time firefox upgrades and breaks everything. |
| 20:26.36 | greycat | you could share the URL and see if other people have the same issue |
| 20:27.32 | karlpinc | Unfortunately the wiki is not publicly accessible. It claims to be a default moin.moin install. |
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| 20:27.54 | greycat | well, the Debian wiki and my wiki are both moin... |
| 20:28.07 | karlpinc | I wonder if it is just my issue. Something gone sideways when firefox upgrades. |
| 20:28.17 | karlpinc | greycat: I'll check both. Let me see. |
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| 20:30.57 | karlpinc | Not seeing it on either. I think the wiki I'm using is an older version... I'll go ask and see. |
| 20:34.19 | greycat | you can go to the wiki's SystemInfo page to get the software version + python version (and a lot more if you're logged in as the wiki admin) |
| 20:35.04 | karlpinc | I'm going to try installing moin locally and see if I can reproduce it. |
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| 20:35.24 | karlpinc | After lunch. |
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| 20:43.47 | Paerox | I'm having a hard time finding relevant info in the rsyslog docs. Perhaps someone can recommend me an alternative central logging solution? |
| 20:45.45 | karlpinc | Paerox: Or you could tell us your problem. |
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| 20:48.33 | Paerox | karlpinc, I have a FortiGate which is currently logging to RAM only. The FortiGate has an option I can turn on so that it sends it's log to an rsyslog server. So far I've configured rsyslog to listen only to the LAN NIC. Now I want to log events on my FortiGate to a seperate folder under /var/log. My problem is that I cannot find the relevant modern-style configuration directive for rsyslog to do this. |
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| 20:50.02 | greycat | https://serverfault.com/questions/899819/create-separated-syslog-file-for-each-host-with-rsyslog |
| 20:50.06 | greycat | is my first google result |
| 20:50.57 | Paerox | greycat, your google result demonstrates how to do this with the legacy configuration directive |
| 20:51.22 | Paerox | I'll try it |
| 20:52.02 | greycat | there appears to be an #rsyslog channel if you want experts |
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| 20:52.28 | Paerox | greycat, Oh, didn't think of that. Thanks |
| 20:52.32 | Paerox | :) |
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| 21:29.15 | ratrace | Paerox: another option, yank out rsyslong for a saner sylog-ng |
| 21:29.22 | ratrace | *rsyslog |
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| 21:32.03 | Paerox | ratrace, syslog-ng is more saner/n00b-friendly? |
| 21:32.06 | jhutchins | ratrace: Nothing wrong with rsyslog. Sticking with defaults and not over-tweaking over-customizing has a lot of advantages. |
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| 21:33.06 | Paerox | jhutchins, I'm not dissing rsyslog at all, I'm just having a hard time setting it up |
| 21:33.43 | Paerox | Today is the first time I'm customizing rsyslog |
| 21:34.09 | jhutchins | Paerox: You just have to hold your tongue right - meaning once you get the right perspective it all makes sense. |
| 21:34.34 | shtrb | ratrace, rsyslog is not that bad , used both of them , not that of an issue with most IT users |
| 21:35.13 | Paerox | I've had some success already with rsyslog btw! Got rsyslog to store messages from my Fortigate, but the messages ended up in /var/log/messages and not in a sepereate folder |
| 21:36.00 | shtrb | Paerox, create a custom conf file in rsyslog.d , the stops after matching , also My condolunces for Fortigate |
| 21:36.03 | jhutchins | Paerox: You should be able to get the syntax from the manpage. |
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| 21:37.21 | Paerox | jhutchins, I'll have a proper look at the manpage. Just need a break first. |
| 21:38.36 | shtrb | Paerox, just finish the conf file with "& stop" that will stop processing , for example : $template RemoteStore, "/var/log/blabla/%HOSTNAME%/%timegenerated:1:10:date-rfc3339%"\n :source, isequal, "evilfortigate" -?RemoteStore\n& stop |
| 21:39.24 | jhutchins | Paerox: I'm no longer in an rsyslog environment, but wee had about 1500 servers on the last one I worked with. |
| 21:40.01 | jhutchins | Fortunately it was a "change once, run ansible" system. |
| 21:40.05 | shtrb | Paerox, this will put per date files with messages from machine called "evilfortigate" |
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| 21:50.15 | ratrace | Paerox: it's an alternative syslog, and as the name implies, aimed at solving certain shortcomings of rsyslog. back at the time it was capable of TLS, but nowadays (in Buster at least) I think rsyslog is too. syslog-ng's config is way, way more intuitive to work with, tho. |
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| 21:54.27 | Paerox | shtrb, lol, what makes a FortiDevice evil in your eyes? |
| 21:55.07 | jhutchins | Paerox: ratrace has lots of opinions about hardware and software. |
| 21:55.25 | Paerox | jhutchins, I'm open to hear about it :-) |
| 21:55.32 | jhutchins | Me? A hammer is a hammer. |
| 21:56.12 | greycat | (there are literally several different kinds of hammers for different jobs) |
| 21:56.19 | Paerox | I know I could replace my FortiGate with a linux-based solution, but I don't have the hardware for it right now |
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| 21:58.58 | jhutchins | greycat: I know, I probably have 20, many of which are not duplicates. I don't get political about which one to use. |
| 21:59.02 | ratrace | jhutchins: aparently you have lots of opinions about other people's opinions |
| 21:59.16 | jhutchins | ratrace: Some people's. |
| 21:59.43 | ratrace | I'm not being political about syslog-ng if that's what you're implying. I just mention it as an alternative. it's there, it exists, it has pros and cons, (in my book pros over rsylog are worth it), and it's packaged in debian |
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| 22:00.24 | ratrace | jhutchins: also don't think you're the only one here managing a three digit fleet of servers |
| 22:00.39 | ratrace | four, even! :) |
| 22:00.58 | Paerox | <- Two servers! |
| 22:01.07 | Paerox | (@home) |
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| 22:02.24 | jhutchins | Paerox: At one point I had 200 pentiums in my basement. I was going to build a cluster, then I found out they wouldn't boot headless. |
| 22:03.14 | Paerox | jhutchins, 200! Good lawd child! :D |
| 22:03.32 | greycat | hoooowwww were you planning to cool that? |
| 22:04.04 | dvs | holy meterologist! |
| 22:04.07 | shtrb | Paerox, I was user of it's equipment , it made my life hard , it's MITM process was broken and made it virtually impossible to auth against services |
| 22:04.17 | jhutchins | greycat: Not a lot of planning on that project, just free servers and the existance of clustering. |
| 22:04.26 | Onyx47 | just hook it into central heating and get rid of the furnace/boiler/whatever, duh |
| 22:05.14 | greycat | and you were going to power them all off a dozen power strips plugged into a single wall outlet, right? |
| 22:05.23 | jhutchins | A boat can be hauled up and put aboard a ship. |
| 22:05.23 | jhutchins |  |
| 22:05.23 | jhutchins | 1 |
| 22:05.23 | jhutchins | Like |
| 22:05.33 | jhutchins | Like I said... |
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| 22:07.13 | jhutchins | Excuse me, trackpad + irssi + couch. |
| 22:07.14 | greycat | debhelper has strong opinions about your abuse of computers |
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| 22:08.01 | jhutchins | If it had worked I probably would have ended up with just a dozen or so. |
| 22:08.47 | Paerox | shtrb, I'm a current user. Can't deny it's evil because the equipment is running non-free software |
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| 22:09.05 | jhutchins | Like I said, free hardware. |
| 22:09.31 | Paerox | shtrb, But, I got the equipment for free (no cost) so i'm not complaining |
| 22:09.35 | shtrb | Paerox, forget the non-free software , I couldn't login because it's SSL special CA was not working |
| 22:09.46 | shtrb | Paerox, :) |
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| 22:11.28 | jhutchins | shtrb: Always leave yourself a back door <grin>. |
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| 22:12.07 | Paerox | shtrb, I am creating custom conf files in rsyslog.d. Trying your example now :-) |
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| 22:12.22 | shtrb | Paerox, read the docs to have a better ideas |
| 22:13.25 | jhutchins | I had a friend who's home servers had to be kept in a closed room with AC in Winter. He eventually got tired of the noise. |
| 22:13.40 | Paerox | shtrb, the docs are a better source than the manpages? |
| 22:13.57 | shtrb | sometimes they do |
| 22:14.22 | Paerox | shtrb, tested your example, FortiMessages still end up in /var/log/messages |
| 22:14.58 | shtrb | did you call the file in /etc/rsyslog.d/ and named it XX.conf ? |
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| 22:15.34 | Paerox | Yeah, In my case, i made "allowedsenders.conf" in /etc/rsyslog.d |
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| 22:16.05 | jhutchins | Paerox: Manpages are the most common docs, hence get the most hands and eyeballs. There are also info pages, mostly for pre-linux programs, /usr/share/doc, and wikis. |
| 22:16.25 | greycat | info pages are a GNU thing, not "pre-linux" |
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| 22:17.29 | jhutchins | greycat: IBM may have used them as well. Been a while. |
| 22:18.11 | shtrb | Paerox, can you try restarting rsyslog after you do daemon-reload |
| 22:18.31 | jhutchins | greycat: I defer to you, we've already established that your memories are clearer than mine. |
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| 22:19.09 | greycat | IBM released some of their AIX man pages in HTML form at some point |
| 22:19.17 | jhutchins | I forget what critical software package I installed where the manpage was literally the blank template. |
| 22:19.58 | jhutchins | I'm thinking of TSO/JCL. |
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| 22:21.31 | H-var | internet is a series of tubes |
| 22:21.48 | shtrb | Ethernet cables :D |
| 22:22.07 | greycat | I suppose it's possible that someone outside of GNU took a look at ROFF, took a look at Texinfo, and decided "... ok, I'll use Texinfo". But it wouldn't have been a large number of someones. |
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| 22:32.46 | Paerox | shtrb, I didn't think daemon-reload was necessary (only for systemd unit files?). Tried to restart rsyslog after daemon-reload and afterwards i do "ls -Rlh|less" but i see no indication of frequenly updated log files or new ones. |
| 22:34.33 | shtrb | did you create the blabla folder ? |
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| 22:34.56 | Paerox | shtrb, no! I forgot that! |
| 22:35.27 | Paerox | thougth maybe rsyslog had the permission to do that auto-magically |
| 22:36.54 | Paerox | created the folder, restarted rsyslog, disabled and re-enabled the "Send logs to syslog" option in my FortiGate. nothing appears in the newly created folder |
| 22:37.14 | Paerox | perhaps I need to change the owner on the new folder? |
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| 22:37.37 | shtrb | are you sure fortigate actually sends something ? |
| 22:38.03 | RhineDevil | What could be a synonim of suite/codename as intended in debian packaging? Shouldn't start with r or s |
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| 22:38.21 | Paerox | I'm quite sure it is sending something, i manage to log its events in /var/log/messages earlier |
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| 22:42.47 | Paerox | I think i'm not logging anything because i have'nt defined a ruleset yet |
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| 22:50.11 | jhutchins | Maybe rsyslog makes more sense if you've had to configure syslog. |
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| 22:52.31 | Paerox | jhutchins, syslog is really starting to look like a more interesting option, it even has a plugin for graphite |
| 22:52.57 | Paerox | I want to make pretty graphs in Grafana from my fortigate syslogs |
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| 23:09.06 | greycat | do you know the name of the file? |
| 23:10.02 | ska | searching apt-file for it. |
| 23:10.16 | greycat | judd doesn't know of any packages with a file named bin/jinja2 or bin/jinja |
| 23:11.17 | greycat | "apt-cache search jinja" gives me a lot of python results |
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| 23:31.47 | JordiGH | alexrelis[m]: microcode blob |
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