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00:01.27sponixdecent recommendation. and I have a 5.8 kernel to fall back on
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00:05.50sponixyeah, seems I need to have fresh Nvidia, and ZFS to keep up with 5.9 - Fun
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00:09.09ravananNew Debian user here. Haven't installed firmware-iwlwifi that's been suggested online since I was curious about something in my lspci output.
00:09.32ravananOutput in #flood
00:10.50ravananSpecifically, there's a line that says "Kernel Modules: iwlwifi" and the man page for lspci says it's basically a kernel module that's capable of handling my wifi adapter
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00:11.22ravananI searched through /usr/lib/modules/kernel/../drivers/net/wireless/intel
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00:11.34ravananAnd I found an iwlwifi.ko module there
00:11.45ravananIs it sufficient if I load this to use my wifi adapter?
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00:14.58packetS_:-D
00:15.27ravananRunning lsmod reveals that iwlwifi has already been loaded
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00:26.30alex11lol there's a nano-tiny
00:26.40alex11how much disk space do you *really* need to save...
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00:49.04H-varguys what do I type into sources.list to update to the testing channel of bullseye from buster?
00:51.42themilldpkg, buster->bullseye
00:51.43dpkgIn /etc/apt/sources.list, change "buster" to "bullseye", remove lines like buster-backports, debian-multimedia <dmo>, and other 3rd party repos as they are known to cause issues then do: apt update && apt upgrade && apt full-upgrade. Note that testing is a <moving target> and may be buggy, and read the sid FAQ: https://deb.li/sidfaq
00:52.22H-varhttps://paste.debian.net/1174356/
00:52.29H-varI did like this?
00:52.57sneywow, that's exactly wrong.
00:52.59roycroftand don't forget the part about backing up the machine before you perform the upgrade
00:53.07H-varlol
00:53.28H-varcan someone edit it and post the correct one on paste.debian.org please?
00:53.29themillH-var: yeah, that scores 0/10.
00:53.36H-varlol
00:53.52themillSorry, people need to get at least 8/10 on that test to be allowed to run testing/
00:53.59roycroftyou were already given explicit instructions on what to do
00:54.04dvslocks the gate
00:54.20H-var* themill eats the key
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00:56.17H-vardpkg like this? https://paste.debian.net/1174357/
00:56.17dpkgsmooches this? https://paste.debian.net/1174357/ on the neck
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00:57.03sneyH-var: almost, see the part about disabling backports
00:57.16H-varyes, I'll remove that one too
00:57.50n4dirH-var: doesn't matter much, but i heard it a few times the last days: it unusual to say "testing *channel*". Most just say "testing".
00:58.12H-varthanks! It's time to do something stupid and format my disk once again lol
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01:01.04H-varthanks themill sney, n4dir and roycroft! I smooch you on the neck
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01:20.44H-varI did just that, but now I get errors about the security channel
01:20.48H-varhttps://paste.debian.net/1174359/
01:21.35H-varshould I disable it? Is it safe to upgrade without it working?
01:23.17sponixH-var: you most likely want irc.oftc.net #debian-next
01:24.36H-varI don't like where this is going lol. I'll rather stay with the stable release
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01:29.42rjg61hello, attempting to install buster with btrfs subvolvumes. i'm interupting the installation after disk partitioning, creating subvolvumes inside /target and manually mounting subvolumes before contining install. my understanding is while not offically supported this *should* work. Installaiton completes, but failing to get out of ramdisk unable to
01:29.43rjg61find init. So I'm probably screwing up the mounting the subvolvumes inside /target.
01:29.51rjg61Any suggestions or guides very much appreicated. fstab for reference: http://paste.debian.net/1174362/
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02:03.11darsieMy xfce(?) no longer automounts my usb card reader and imports photos. It's still configured in settings/removable drives and media.
02:03.36darsieCard shows up in /var/log/messages
02:03.41beelzebuzzdarsie: update kernel and not reboot yet?
02:03.44darsieI can fsck it.
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02:04.01darsieI rebooted without kernel update.
02:04.09spacedustnice
02:04.12darsie:)
02:04.36beelzebuzzonly time i get usb automount problems is forgetting to reboot after update so not sure
02:04.51darsieno kernel upgrades pending.
02:05.05n4dirbut you can mount it "manually" ?
02:05.38n4diri'd probaly also create a new -test- user and see if he has the same problems.
02:06.06n4dirbefore finding someone who has a clue how xfce4 automount works.
02:06.49darsien4dir: I can. pics are there.
02:07.00spacedustuses mana, magic, maybe you out of mana
02:07.04n4diryeah, sorry, i would not know more. good luck
02:07.35darsieMaybe reformatting the card reinstalls the magic.
02:07.48darsieHmm, still would have to get mounted first.
02:08.01n4dirasking an xfce user in another channel, don't hold your breath, perhaps he is afk
02:08.16beelzebuzzwe have #xfce on freenode btw
02:08.35darsieI wasn't sure if #xfce or #debian is more on topic.
02:08.53beelzebuzzeither one. just most are idle as usual
02:09.07spacedustthunar-volman automount
02:09.24spacedusthttps://docs.xfce.org/xfce/thunar/using-removable-media#managing_removable_drives_and_media
02:10.17scrul00seI have one (1) clue how xfce4 automounting works: I'm pretty sure gvfs is involved. As for how gvfs works... that I don't know.
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02:11.25spacedustscrul00se: yeah i bet thunar uses gvfs, same i have not much clue how gvfs works and i dont reall care neither :)
02:12.28darsiethunar-volman: Must specify the sysfs path of new devices with --device-added.
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02:26.24epsilonKNOTo/
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02:33.40epsilonKNOTwhat are the chances that if I submit a RFP someone might actually package it :(
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02:40.53themillIt's pretty rare but occasionally someone sees things in WNPP and thinks "yes, that's an itch I'd like to scratch"
02:43.14n4direpsilonKNOT: i lost contact, but stevepusser as a long time forums.debian member and part of the MX distribution is often willing to help with packaging. If you really only want the package as a deb, not necessarily it being part of the official debian repos.
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02:43.43n4dirof course with the according warning what it means adding anything but official repo apps to the system. That is your choice
02:44.09n4dirthey also had and perhaps still have the community repos, where you sometimes find stuff
02:44.43n4dirwhich package we speak of might be of help
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02:48.05epsilonKNOTmakes sense
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03:00.15rjg61hello, attempting to install buster with btrfs subvolvumes. i'm interupting the installation after disk partitioning, creating subvolvumes inside /target and manually mounting subvolumes before contining install. my understanding is while not officially supported this *should* work. Installaiton completes, but failing to get out of ramdisk unable
03:00.15rjg61to find init. So I'm probably screwing up the mounting the subvolumes inside /target.
03:00.25rjg61Any suggestions or guides very much appreicated. fstab for reference: http://paste.debian.net/1174362/
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03:40.34allan_windHow do I set a kernel boot parameter?  I don't think you monkey with grub.cfg directly, right?
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03:41.40n4dir<PROTECTED>
03:42.08allan_windah... yeah :-)
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08:53.07jpcooperHello. I've installed libboost-1.71-all, and the future class doesn't seem to be available. Is it available in another package that I can install?
08:53.30jpcooperI am looking for the future class as mentioned here: https://www.boost.org/doc/libs/1_71_0/doc/html/thread/synchronization.html#thread.synchronization.futures
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09:45.00queiphow to list which UIDs run any processes?
09:45.04queipother than sort on ps aux
09:45.58queipok actually, how to enter the mode where only root account works and almost all daemons, and all users, are logged out/stopped, like for backup or disk repair
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09:48.34queiptelinit 1  ?
09:48.56kskEh, you are looking for runlevels, I am not quite sure about the systemd implications thugh
09:49.10kskLike there is a reduced number of levels now I think
09:49.14queipthanks systemd for making everything harder
09:49.23ksksystemd calls them targets.
09:49.56kskhttps://www.tecmint.com/change-runlevels-targets-in-systemd/ - looks reasonable
09:49.59queiptelinit 1 seems to worked
09:50.24ksk"Run level 1 is matched by rescue.target (and runlevel1.target is a symbolic link to rescue.target)."
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12:17.38NetTerminalGeneguys, how can i apply this command? copy and paste doesn't work. https://paste.debian.net/1174430/
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12:22.40kristijonasHi! Does anybody know what is the best way to enable DNS-over-TLS in the current stable?
12:22.53abrotmanNetTerminalGene: you can remove all the linebreaks and \ to make it a single line
12:22.58abrotmancopy/paste should work though
12:23.18NetTerminalGeneabrotman: thanks
12:26.12abrotmankristijonas: are you trying to do this natively, or just any way possible?
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12:27.45kristijonasabrotman, well, natively. As I understand, current stable doesn't use systemd-resolved, in which I'd know how to enable it
12:28.25abrotmanRight .. so you'd have to setup your own resolver locally, and then use that to pass things via DoT
12:28.42abrotmanyou could try something like stubby
12:29.12abrotmanThere are a bunch of docs about how to make this work on older systems
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12:29.16abrotmanbut tehy're all a bit hacky
12:29.42tamankristijonas, I do that with unbound. Can paste conf if you're otherwise stuck.
12:30.46abrotmanRight, unbound is another method.  but either stubby or unbound, lots of docs out there
12:31.02kristijonasfound this https://dnsprivacy.org/wiki/display/DP/DNS+Privacy+Clients ok, thanks, taman, will first first on my own :)
12:31.16doubleqpInteresting one.. when I'm trying to run a speedtest while I've wireguard enabled I get sometimes "[error] Cannot read: Resource temporarily unavailable". Looks to me I'm running in some kind of limits. With wireguard disabled I don't get this error. I checked my ulimits already (open files / processes) and adjusted them for the entire OS. However, since wireguard is embedded in the kernel these days and making use of kworker it doesn't adhere
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12:31.37doubleqpalready tried running strace as well but it doesn't give me much info once the error occurs.
12:31.59doubleqpThe main issue is that it doesn't only happen with a speedtest, also when I download a large file for example
12:32.18doubleqpquestion is whether it is actually a ulimit limitation I'm running into or something else is going on. Nothing in syslog or kern.log..
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12:39.37DeyaaHello
12:41.06DeyaaMy /home/user/.local/bin python scripts doesn't work in terminal??
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12:44.16abrotmanWhat does it do?
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13:10.53Rodonif anyone installed libxft-bgra package in buster for colored emojis support in dwm .. please give the link.
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13:20.26goringhttps://twitter.com/ubntau/status/1331949892193796101
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13:25.47abrotmangoring: Wrong channel?
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15:07.59JordiGHCan chromium not screen share?
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15:57.47aphoriseMy service is logging to /var/log/messages - how do I set it up so that it logs to its own file? - I have jounalctl & systemd setup but just forgot what else I'm missing here.
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16:03.21overlistedyour own systemd message?
16:03.26overlistedservice*
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16:12.28petn-randallaphorise: If you service is logging to syslog, it's your rsyslog config that decides what goes where.
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16:14.18petn-randallaphorise: You'll either have to change your service to log to file, or change your service to syslog to its own "facility" (a syslog term) and then configure rsyslog to write those logs to a separate file.
16:14.30aphorisepetn-randall sure - I just dont know how get this service to output to its onw.
16:14.35petn-randallFeel free to ask for details, this is really shortened down.
16:14.52petn-randallaphorise: What service is it, and what is it written in?
16:15.01aphoriseSo I see some definitions already in /etc/rsyslog.conf - but hwo I do I set this up #?
16:15.26Haohmaru,v elmerfem-csc
16:15.27juddNo package named 'elmerfem-csc' was found in amd64.
16:16.12aphorisepetn-randall its a web-service .deb file I've downloaded and setup accordingly to a guide.
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16:17.08aphoriseI've set it up to run as its own user 'webs1'
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16:23.13rootkeaHello! I installed Debian 10.6.1 Buster on Acer Switch 10 (Bay Trail processor with Intel HD graphics) a week back and have been fixing various issues since then. :) Anyways, so I see "i915 0000:00:02.0: [drm] *ERROR* Failed to get the SoC PWM chip" and changing backlight via xfce4-power-manager or `echo $n > /sys/class/backlight/acpi_video0/brightness` doesn't change screen brightness.
16:23.35rootkeaI'm on 5.8.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 kernel
16:24.15rootkea* I see that i915 ERROR message during boot
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16:24.58LachezarHey all. Page https://www.debian.org/releases/ has link that says "Debian 10 (buster)", but the link points to stretch
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16:25.28LachezarBut maybe only in Bulgarian language...
16:26.55jellyLachezar: thanks, I'll relay that to #debian-www, Croatian was like that as well
16:27.07Celmor[m]I'm wondering why apt is trying to connect via ipv6 instead of ipv4 and therefore timing out
16:27.16jellyLachezar: is the link on the main page top right correct?
16:27.39Lachezarjelly: No, it's in the list of releases.
16:28.05diogenes_rootkea, most likely you have to play around acpi_backlight kernel parameters.
16:30.12rootkeaLachezar, s/stretch/buster and send MR https://salsa.debian.org/webmaster-team/webwml/-/blob/master/bulgarian/releases/index.wml#L84
16:30.57rootkeadiogenes_, I tried all four params mentioned at https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/backlight#Kernel_command-line_options
16:31.19rootkeaacpi_backlight=video, vendor, native and none
16:31.56diogenes_rootkea, there's more, let me see.
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16:33.47jellyrootkea, Lachezar: submitted already. https://salsa.debian.org/webmaster-team/webwml/-/merge_requests/585
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16:34.42rootkeajelly, +1
16:35.24diogenes_rootkea, pastebin: sudo strings /sys/firmware/acpi/tables/DSDT | grep -i windows
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16:36.08jellyforgot he had some rights in that project
16:36.51petn-randallaphorise: Then I'd check the documentation of this web service how to configure logging.
16:39.10rootkeadiogenes_, https://pastebin.com/raw/H7f6G6Px
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16:40.32diogenes_rootkea, you can try this one: acpi_osi=! acpi_osi=\"Windows 2013\" (or acpi_osi=! acpi_osi=\"Windows 2012\")
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16:51.41rootkeadiogenes_, I tried both 1. acpi_osi=! acpi_osi=\"Windows 2013\" and 2. acpi_osi=! acpi_osi=\"Windows 2012\" but same symptoms. Brightness doesn't change when 1. use xfce4-power-manager or 2. /sys/class/backlight/acpi_video0/brightness file. And same i915 ERROR message during boot.
16:52.19rootkeaI suspect I'm experiencing https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=971953
16:52.20juddBug https://bugs.debian.org/971953 in src:linux (open): «linux-image-5.8: Intel Bay Trail PMIC, laptop screen backlight cannot be adjusted»; severity: normal; opened: 2020-10-10; last modified: 2020-11-07.
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16:53.48diogenes_rootkea, but do you use intel or modesetting?
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16:54.53jellyrootkea: do you in fact have a bay trail chipset netbook or media box or something?
16:57.40rootkeadiogenes_, https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/kernel_mode_setting says "Intel, Nouveau, ATI and AMDGPU drivers already enable KMS automatically for all chipsets, so you need not install it manually" So I think KMS is enabled
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16:58.29rootkeajelly, it's Intel Atom Z3735F processor which comes under Bay Trail family iirc
16:58.59rootkeaAcer Switch 10 laptop
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17:01.14diogenes_rootkea, i know but there are 2 drivers, modesetting and intel, try to force the intel one to load via /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-intel.conf (first install xserver-xorg-video-intel).
17:02.52rootkeadiogenes_, package is installed already and I tried /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-intel.conf from arch wiki earlier in the day but sadly issue persisted.
17:03.06rootkeahttps://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/intel_graphics#Xorg_configuration
17:03.44diogenes_i see
17:04.56rootkeahttps://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=971953#10 this user reports success after compiling the kernel which I don't want to do.
17:05.33rootkeaI would like to stick to kernel from repos
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17:06.08jellyrootkea: yeah, I guess that would count as a netbook.  Maybe ask #intel-gfx people if they know of any (other) workarounds
17:06.42jelly,kernels
17:06.43juddAvailable kernel versions are: experimental: 5.10.0-rc4-686-pae (5.10~rc4-1~exp1); sid: 5.9.0-3-686-pae (5.9.9-1); bullseye: 5.9.0-3-686-pae (5.9.9-1); buster-backports: 5.8.0-0.bpo.2-686 (5.8.10-1~bpo10+1); buster: 4.19.0-12-686-pae (4.19.152-1); stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.9-686-pae (4.19.118-2+deb10u1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.19.0-0.bpo.12-686 (4.19.152-1~deb9u1); jessie-backports:
17:06.44judd4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.12-686 (4.9.210-1+deb9u1~deb8u1)
17:07.02jelly5.9 not backported yet
17:07.44rootkeajelly, sure, Thanks! Can I install kernel (and other firmware packages) from experimental on stable?
17:08.26jellyrootkea: that may or may not be doable, but it does not hurt to try
17:09.04rootkeaOkay, will do! :)
17:09.10jellyin general one shouldn't mix experimental with anything apart from sid (unstable), but the kernel packaging is mostly self-contained
17:11.30rootkeaMeanwhile, I have another issue - bluetooth. Which driver do I need? I don't see bluetooth adapter neither in lspci nor lsusb
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17:14.48jhutchinsrootkea: Try rfkill
17:15.38jhutchinsrootkea: If you need a working computer and are running anything beyond stable, be sure to make backups before you run upgrades.
17:17.19rootkeajhutchins, Wow! rfkill shows "acer-bluetooth: Bluetooth"
17:17.38jellyrootkea: bt ought to just work, but it might need firmware.  pastebin your complete dmesg?
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17:18.12jellyand it might be connected over something unusual on that chipset, like i2s
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17:20.19rootkeaWhen I try to run `blueman-manager`, a pop-up appears saying "Connection to BlueZ failed. Bluez daemon is not running, blueman-manager cannot continue. This probably means that there were no Bluetooth adapters detected or Bluetooth daemon was not started"
17:20.34rootkeaGuess I should look into bluez daemon?
17:21.07jellyit's possible it autostarts when the device appears
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17:22.52Globonhello. i got problem on ssh when i use together torsocks/torify. Using Debian buster.   ERROR: ssh is setuid. torsocks will not work on a setuid executable.
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17:23.47jellyGlobon: ls -ld /usr/bin/ssh
17:24.08rootkeajelly, sudo dmesg: https://pastebin.com/raw/jrXLXKG7
17:25.33rootkeajelly, Please ignore that. That boot had additional kernel boot param.
17:25.51rootkeaI'm uploading one from fresh vanilla boot
17:26.19jellyGlobon: show the output of that command, please
17:27.00jellyGlobon: in other words, does your ssh client really have a setuid on it?  It shouldn't, and it does not have the setuid bit set by default
17:27.26Globonhttps://pastebin.com/MnEdpwP3
17:27.44Globoni did not change anything after setup debian buster. just installed tor but it not works.
17:28.09Globoni did fresh setup, i was using torsocks on ssh 1 week ago at same distro
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17:28.33rootkeajelly, $ sudo dmesg > https://pastebin.com/raw/ckP4fRiS
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17:29.01jellyGlobon: that's not ls -ld but okay.  I don't see a setuid on /usr/bin/ssh, and the setgid on ssh-agent does not seem relevant
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17:29.15jellyGlobon: your tool is misdetecting something
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17:31.36Globonjelly, a part of /usr/bin/torsocks > https://pastebin.com/V3VN6DPn
17:32.32Globoni tried to uncomment if - fi part on there. torsocks seems worked and connected server but actualy it did'nt work. it leaks my ip
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17:35.58jellyrootkea: looks like that rtl8723bs is a combo wifi + bluetooth card
17:36.06jelly[   10.371589] RTL8723BS: rtl8723bs v4.3.5.5_12290.20140916_BTCOEX20140507-4E40
17:36.06jelly[   10.371591] RTL8723BS: rtl8723bs BT-Coex version = BTCOEX20140507-4E40
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17:38.24jellyrootkea: install firmware-realtek from backports, see if that helps.  Typically when you use a newer kernel, you also want matching firmware
17:39.10rootkeajelly, firmwafre-realtek already from bpo installed
17:39.21jellyhmm, okay then
17:39.31jellyjudd: file rtl8723bs.*bin --release buster-backports
17:39.32juddNo packages in buster-backports/amd64 were found with that file.
17:39.40jellyjudd: file rtl8723bs.*bin --release buster
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17:39.45juddNo packages in buster/amd64 were found with that file.
17:39.49jellyjudd: file rtl8723bs*bin --release buster-backports
17:39.50juddSearch for rtl8723bs*bin in buster-backports/amd64: firmware-realtek: lib/firmware/rtlwifi/rtl8723bs_bt.bin, lib/firmware/rtlwifi/rtl8723bs_nic.bin, lib/firmware/rtlwifi/rtl8723bs_wowlan.bin
17:40.02jellyrootkea: is /lib/firmware/rtlwifi/rtl8723bs_bt.bin in place?
17:41.04rootkeajelly, yes, it is there.
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17:49.24Globonis making /usr/bin/ssh-agent chmod to 0755 and change user root:root safe?
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18:00.45shtrbno
18:01.47shtrbGlobon, it should be already preset properly (and owned by ssh )
18:01.54Globoni'm going to be mad. i really love linux, passed my 5 years on main-os linux still i cant find a solution. that problem is really weird.
18:02.19jhutchinsHave we tried manually starting the bluez daemon?
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18:02.31shtrbjhutchins, ?
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18:10.41jellyGlobon: again, ssh-agent has nothing to do with it.  But try it and see.
18:10.52jellyyou can put it back as it was later.
18:11.31jellyrootkea: it's interesting that the driver doesn't even try loading it
18:12.06jellyrootkea: perhaps you have to enable something using rfkill or a Fn key combo first?
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18:19.29Globonjelly, root:root resulted same. are there any option to ungroup it? can we leave groups null?
18:20.01rootkeajelly, rfkill o/p says "Soft-blocked: no\n Hard-blocked: no" flor "acer-bluetooth: Bluetooth" entry. Also, I don't see any hardware switch for bluetooth. There was one with radio icon for wifi which I tried toggling. Made no difference for bt. Same error by blueman-manager. "Connection to BlueZ failed"
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18:21.27jellyGlobon: no, a file always has user and group ownership on linux
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18:22.28jellyGlobon: again, the tool saying there's a setuid on ssh is not working right.  It has a bug.
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18:25.56Globonjelly, what comes interesting for me i will tell
18:27.17Globoni have two debian buster. one of broken but i can access console. this was working great with torsocks ssh. i checked torsocks and it seems same version. i check ssh and ssh-agend, same permissions
18:27.59Globonbroken one still works torsocks ssh, and a new gave me error. and no source on web about this situation.
18:32.47jellyrootkea: is there anything bt related in bios?
18:34.54rootkeajelly, No, there is not. Btw, I just reinstalled bluez from bpo but made no difference :/
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18:45.04jellyit sounds more like a kernel or driver issue than anything in userspace
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18:52.26jhutchinsrootkea: Have you tried _starting_ bluez?  You can't connect to it if it's not started.
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18:57.04kevinnnhi all, I know this question is pretty unrelated but I have just installed a fresh copy of proxmox and for some reason I cannot run the lxc command
18:57.21RhineDevilwhat's the difference betweek nullok and nullok_secure in pam.d? do they both allow null passwords for an ssh user?
18:57.29kevinnnThere basically no results on google for this...
18:57.30sneykevinnn: ##proxmox
18:57.40kevinnnsney: need an invite to ask there
18:57.55kevinnnoh wow, I can access it now, weird
18:58.00sneyyou probably just needed to be registered
18:58.11kevinnntx
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19:22.23rootkeajhutchins, How do I do that?
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19:34.39unixbsdwhich debian supports the zaurus 3100?
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19:41.37asterismohi, i have an old pc with a raid1 made with 2 ide/ata drives
19:42.21asterismoi installed debian 10 and as soon as i run update-grub, grub breaks and throw me ELF nonsense and grub rescue
19:42.58asterismoi ended up installing debian 7 and i have no problem running grub update (nedded when installing a new kernel)
19:43.33asterismonow i'm dist-upgrading to jessie, is there anyway to keep old grub package from wheezy?
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19:47.44istrivehi all, good afternoon and Happy Thanksgiving to everyone!
19:48.40istriveI have the string State:                       powered off (since 2020-10-26T15:39:19.000000000) from which I want to extract the powered off portion only, with cut -d\: I have from powered off forward
19:49.08istrivehow to remove the remaining text after that?
19:50.17istriveall i want from this whole string it the [powered off] to work on my code
19:50.57unixbsdthis is the running linux stuff on sharp 3100 (the regular dmesg: links termbin.com/cg1l   ). is there a single debian having armv5 in repos?
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20:18.27f-aI had a power outage while running apt-get install
20:19.09f-ashould I do anything or can I just resume what I was installing
20:19.41sneydepends on where it was in the process, but try resuming first
20:20.29f-asney: it worked, is there anything I should check in particular? (i.e. is there an `apt-get check`) or should I just carry on?
20:20.32istrivehow to use sed to extract the power off portion from the string
20:20.51istriveState:                       powered off (since 2020-10-26T15:39:19.000000000)
20:21.15sneyf-a: 'apt -f install' will fix any broken packages if there are any, but it doesn't sound like apt gave you any errors
20:23.12f-athanks
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20:30.39istrivehow to use sed to extract the power off portion from the string
20:30.40istriveState:                       powered off (since 2020-10-26T15:39:19.000000000)
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20:31.19jhutchinsCan't really expect a troubleshooting dialog if you don't respond for half an hour.
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20:33.49Some_PersonUh... I have a big problem... seem to have accidentally removed myself from all groups except one... I can't use sudo now
20:34.05sneyistrive: there is a ##sed on this network, if you ask the same question repeatedly and nobody answers it is a good sign that nobody here atm has an answer for you
20:34.26petn-randallSome_Person: Can you log in as root?
20:34.33Some_Personpetn-randall: Nope
20:34.38Some_PersonRoot doesn't have a password
20:34.44sneySome_Person: use the following instructions from dkpg to get a root shell, then re-add yourself to those groups
20:34.46sney!ifrp
20:34.47dpkgFor GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt.
20:34.59jhutchins... beat me to it.
20:35.02sney(that is, steps 1-3)
20:35.05petn-randallseconded
20:35.29petn-randallI always forget that fmrp is for mysql, and then have to check to be sure.
20:36.18Some_PersonWhat are all the groups a Debian user is in by default?
20:37.18jhutchinsSome_Person: sudo isn't one of them.
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20:37.47Some_PersonI must have been in sudo by default though. I created this user during the Debian install process, and did not give root a password
20:38.13jmcnaughtSome_Person: cdrom floppy audio dip video plugdev netdev bluetooth lpadmin scanner
20:38.19jhutchinsOh, yeah, I think it sets it up if you don't give root a password.
20:38.36jhutchinsI appear to be in <username> lp and scanner on this system.
20:38.40unixbsd<PROTECTED>
20:39.16jhutchinsunixbsd: Which part doesn't work? What happens instead of what you expect?
20:39.43unixbsdE: Failed getting release file http://ftp.debian-ports.org/debian-armel/dists/sid/Release
20:39.56jhutchinsunixbsd: If it's a sid specific problem you may need to ask in #debian-next on oftc.net
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20:40.25unixbsdwith stable: same:  mkdir ~/debian ; cd ~/debian ;  debootstrap --include=wireless-tools,mc,wpasupplicant,console-tools,alsa-base,alsa-utils --arch armel --foreign stable armel-stage1    http://ftp.debian-ports.org/debian-armel/
20:40.36jhutchinsunixbsd: The release file might ot be there for Armel.
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20:40.39jhutchins!armel
20:40.40dpkgarmel is the Debian <ARM> EABI port, first released with Debian 5.0 "Lenny".  http://wiki.debian.org/ArmEabiPort  http://www.debian.org/ports/arm/  #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net.  See also <armel vs armhf>.
20:40.44jmcnaughtunixbsd: why are you using debian-ports.org?  Isn't armel still a supported architecture?
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20:41.08unixbsdmkdir ~/debian ; cd ~/debian ;  debootstrap --include=wireless-tools,mc,wpasupplicant,console-tools,alsa-base,alsa-utils --arch armel --foreign stable armel-stage1    http://ftp.debian.org/   <--- ok for this one, but still not found
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20:43.15jmcnaughtunixbsd: http://deb.debian.org/debian or http://ftp.debian.org/debian ?
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20:45.23unixbsdok, it works: apt-get update ; apt-get install debootstrap -y  ; debootstrap --no-check-gpg  --arch armel --foreign  --include=netbase,ssh,login,passwd,wpasupplicant  stable  .  http://ftp.debian.org/debian/
20:46.39unixbsdthank you
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21:01.37unixbsdyeah it works.   apt-get update ; apt-get install debootstrap -y  ; debootstrap --no-check-gpg    --foreign  --arch armel               --include=netbase,gcc,clang,make,less,ssh,login,passwd,wpasupplicant  stable  .  http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ [3~
21:02.25unixbsdafter I copy the zImage and modules into /lib/modules, and let's try this 3100 zaurus.
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22:15.54lord4163Hello
22:16.05sneyhi
22:17.48lord4163I tried installing the packages openvswitch-switch and openvswitch-common, but the openvswitch-switch service won't start and therefore won't successfully install.
22:18.07lord4163openvswitch-switch.service: Job openvswitch-switch.service/start failed with result 'dependency'.
22:18.34lord4163Any ideas?
22:19.14sneyis there more log than just that one line? use https://paste.debian.net/ for anything >2 lines
22:22.01lord4163Ah yes looking more in the log, it seems that it has a dependency service that fails as well: A start job for unit openvswitch-nonetwork.service has failed
22:22.14lord4163Failed to start Open vSwitch Internal Unit.
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22:24.55sneyusually in the output of systemctl status there is something more specific than "a start job has failed" a few lines up. if there isn't, openvswitch may have its own error log in /var/log.
22:25.41sneysome daemons that can affect system networking will ship with a default configuration that prevents the service from starting until the user sets it up explicitly, that may be the situation here
22:27.12lord4163hm, rebooting worked?
22:28.36sneyodd, maybe you had a race condition somehow. good thing it worked but keep an eye on it
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22:31.06lord4163sney: Oh I think a kernel module wasn't loaded, ignore my ignorance, I'm new to Open vSwitch
22:32.30lord4163Alrighty, great :)
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22:34.10roycrofthello, folks
22:34.16roycroftand happy thanksgiving to them that are in the usa
22:34.45roycrofti need to use a pre-release version of an application that does not have its own aptitude repository
22:35.12sneyis a previous version in debian?
22:35.24roycrofti was able to build the app on a build vm, but there are heaps of dependencies that i'll need to install it on the workstations
22:35.31roycroftyes, a previous version is in debian
22:35.36sney!uupdate
22:35.36dpkguupdate (in the <devscripts> package) upgrades a source code package from an upstream revision, or e.g. if the newest foo in debian is 1.2, and upstream is at 1.4: apt-get source foo; wget -nd http://foo.org/foo-1.4.tar.gz; cd foo-1.2; uupdate ../foo-1.4.tar.gz  Ask me about <package recompile>.
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22:35.46roycroftand i have installed that, but that version is soemwhat broken and is missing some critical features
22:35.55Wh0amI_iai seus menino
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22:36.04roycroftbut as i said, the developers do not maintain a repository for it
22:36.12roycroftso i can't do an update like that
22:36.33sneyyou said they don't maintain an apt repository. dpkg's instructions are to do with source releases.
22:36.40sneythis can also be a master tarball from github or whatever
22:36.41roycroftwhat i want to do is create my own package
22:36.47sneyit basically sets up a directory to build the debian package.
22:37.03roycroftok, but i'll still have the same issues
22:37.37roycroftmost notably, the version that is part of the buster distribution uses python 2, while the pre-release version requires python 3
22:37.51sneyok, so you'll need to tweak d/control a bit.
22:37.53roycroftbut there are dozens of other dependencies that are different to the old version
22:37.56roycrofta *lot*
22:38.02roycroftand i've done all the work on the build machine
22:38.06roycroftwhat i want to do is package it up
22:38.12roycroftso that i can install it on the workstations
22:38.49roycrofti looked at dh_make, but it's not clear that that either is the appropriate tool, nor how i add all the dependencides to it
22:39.00sneylet me know when you're done typing
22:39.00Wh0amI_How to put password on my debian grub?
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22:39.08roycroftit says to add them to the debian/control file, but does not document how to do so that i have discovered
22:40.11roycroftit appears there are several tools for building packages, and right now i'd like to know what is the most appropriate one for what i'm doing
22:40.37Wh0amI_query roycroft
22:41.05sneyroycroft: is that the end of your question?
22:41.09roycroftplease do not use privmsg without permission, wh0ami_
22:41.14roycroftthat is the end of my question
22:41.20sneyWh0amI_: this ubuntu doc looks current https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/Passwords
22:41.45jmcnaughtroycroft: what are you trying to build? If there is already a newer version in unstable it may be easier to do a backport.
22:41.59roycroftfreecad-0.19-pre
22:42.17jmcnaught,v freecad
22:42.18juddPackage: freecad on amd64 -- jessie: 0.14.3702+dfsg-3; stretch: 0.16+dfsg2-3; buster: 0.18~pre1+dfsg1-5; bullseye: 0.18.4+dfsg2-6; sid: 0.18.4+dfsg2-6
22:42.21sneyroycroft: ok, then here's my answer: use uupdate from devscripts to update the debian source package to the pre-release version you want to use. try to build it, if it fails, make slight adjustments to the *existing* debian/control as needed, (we can help with this) then use your new debian package on your workstations.
22:42.21jmcnaughtguess not
22:42.38roycroftthe freecad folks build appimages nightly, and they crash almost instantly when launched
22:43.46roycroftsney: i should assume that the best way to accomplish that is to set up the build machine with the same environment as the workstations
22:44.06roycroftand then install the debian package on that
22:44.10roycroftthen do the update
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22:44.27roycrofti've already built the package on the build machine, and installed all the dependencies
22:44.47sneyroycroft: as long as it's the same debian version, it's ok, then you can use a tool like pbuilder to make the actual package free from any extra gunk
22:44.55roycrofti can replicate that, but i think that if i just install the debian package now and then update, everything it needs will already be there
22:45.09roycroftit is the same version
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22:46.53roycrofti don't have debian sources installed on the build machine
22:47.11sneyis that something you need help with?
22:47.26roycroftif i just install the debian package i assume that i still won't have sources , so i should probably install sources first, no?
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22:47.45roycrofti mainly need help with understanding what i need to do
22:47.51roycrofthow to do it i can sort out on my own
22:48.07roycroftso install sources, install the debian package, then update that particular package
22:48.14sneyalright, here's the overview a different way:
22:48.16roycroftand then tweak the debian/control file as needed
22:48.53roycrofti'm not trying to be difficult
22:49.06roycroftand i know you think i'm overly verbose, but i'm trying to be more succinct
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22:50.03sney1) combine the old debian package with the new source from upstream, to create a "debianized" source tree, version 0.19-pre. 2) run 'dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc' and see what happens. 3) adjust as necessary until the build process completes and you have an installable package. 4) run the .dsc through pbuilder, and get a distributable package.
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22:50.32roycroftthank you, i'll give that a go
22:50.35sney!nmg
22:50.35dpkgThe packaging tutorial (https://deb.li/QYyI) and the New Maintainer's Guide (https://deb.li/3DiDA) are good places to start learning about Debian packaging.  You should also ask me about <devref> and <policy> to understand how packages should be maintained and how they should interact with each other.  Ask me about <package basics>, <mentors>, <best practices> <build without helper>.  https://www.debian.org/devel/
22:50.43roycroftand hopefully not have to bother you further about this
22:50.58sney^ the first 2 links in dpkg's message here contain a lot of background information about debian packaging.
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22:52.32sneyroycroft: it would be better if you didn't hit enter so much when you're still in the middle of describing the issue. it makes it hard to tell what you're asking.
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22:53.52roycrofti shall endeavor to comply with your request
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22:58.29roycroftwell downloading the source for the 0.18 version of freecad gives me a debian/control file that makes sense to me, so that's already a big help
22:58.50roycrofti'll read the linked documentation on building packages before giving it another go
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23:08.36lusrxtrying to write a bootable usb with debian 10.6 using rufus on windows and getting this error on loading the iso: this image is either non-bootable, or it uses a boot or compression method taht is not supported by rufus
23:08.57roycroftuefi?
23:09.00sney!win32diskimager
23:09.01dpkgwin32diskimager is much more reliable than <unetbootin> for copying ISO images to USB sticks and you can download it from http://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ .  Adjust the file mask from *.img to *.* if it doesn't show Debian .iso images.  See <usb install> and <install debian> for further details.
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23:09.27lusrxyes, the system i'm on is uefi
23:09.46sneylusrx: use win32diskimager, it's more reliable. rufus is trying to convert a cd iso with its own logic, but the debian iso is already a hybrid usb image and doesn't need to be converted
23:10.04roycroftthere's probably an easier way to do it, but i ended up installing the windows utility to create a bootable usb disk with a windows installer, then scribbling over the windows installer with the debian iso using rufus
23:10.06sneyrufus can be used if your version lets you force it to use DD mode
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23:10.38roycrofti tried that, sney, and it would not boot until i made it bootable with the windows installer utility
23:10.45roycrofti actually tried it multiple times
23:10.57roycroftit may be an issue with the version of rufus i have
23:11.09roycroftrufus seems to be a target very much in motion
23:11.13sneyyes, which is why the recommended tool is win32diskimager.
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23:11.51lusrxinstalled win32diskimager and it doesn't know what iso files are? knows only about "img" files
23:11.52roycroftrufus works fine if you're doing legacy bios booting
23:12.02roycroftbut it fails miserably on eufi machines
23:12.10sneylusrx: see the message from dpkg above, "Adjust the file mask from *.img to *.* if it doesn't show Debian .iso images."
23:12.12roycroftmv *.iso *.img
23:12.14roycroft<PROTECTED>
23:14.05lusrxomg ransomeware detected! lol
23:14.12lusrxand access error
23:14.53lusrx"an error occurred when attempting to write data to handle. error 5 access is denied" of course... blocked by anit malware bla bla
23:15.11lusrxok now it writes
23:15.43petn-randall!rufus
23:15.43dpkgrufus is a tool that can be used to make bootable USB devices under Windows. Debian CD/DVD images MUST be written in "DD Mode," otherwise it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems.  Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>.
23:15.56petn-randallroycroft: rufus doesn't always work fine. ^^^
23:16.08sneywe covered that
23:16.49petn-randallah sorry
23:17.50lusrxhow old is this tool? hosted on sourceforge? and looks like it was updated last time in 2017?
23:18.23lusrxrufus is the best in my experience, for windows and for linux.
23:18.28sneyprobably about a decade. it's a very simple tool, does what it's supposed to
23:19.24sneyagain, rufus modifies the image for usb. the debian iso is *already* a usb image. rufus's modifications predictably break the debian iso.
23:21.56lusrxthat's interesting. i'm speculating but that may be what keeps breaking my ubuntu installations, and my recent elementary os installation. right now im looking at a glowing black lcd on a laptop next to me featuring elementary os i installed 20 minutes ago.
23:22.40sneyyep, debian derivatives usually use the same installer
23:22.56sneyor, ubuntu doesn't anymore. but they are probably shipping a hybrid image regardless.
23:23.02lusrxi have been at this for the past 6 hours or so, done 4 installs of ubuntu 20.04 and 1 elementary and they all break on reboot right after doing my software update
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23:24.29lusrxthe thing about rufus is that it allows me to pick iso or dd write mode, and i always select iso. but with debian iso i got (debian-10.6.0-amd64-DVD-3.iso) i never get to see the prompt
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23:24.34roycroftit took me a long evening of figuring out how to dual-boot windows 10 and debian on my new-to-me eufi laptop
23:24.56roycrofti used dd mode with rufus, btw
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23:25.15lusrxroycroft: what iso image did you use?
23:25.16sneyuefi support is a lot better than it used to be, but it is still funky on some hardware
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23:25.52roycroftdebian-10.6.0-amd64-netinst.iso
23:26.11monkwitdafunkhello channel of: THE UNIVERSAL OPERATING SYSTEM
23:26.27roycroftthe universe might take issue with that proclamation
23:26.37monkwitdafunki am a ubuntu user hoping to convert
23:26.59sneyroycroft: the universe can file a bug report
23:27.07monkwitdafunkwell i believe the unverse has a creator, not always there, or self creating. that is off-topic
23:27.08lusrxroycroft: i might try that one. does it require cabled ethernet connection?
23:27.35monkwitdafunkim hoping to convert for 1 single reason
23:27.37roycroftmy laptop has a wifi chip that requires a non-free driver
23:27.51monkwitdafunkthe ability to upgrade distro and packages by optical media
23:27.52roycroftbut i was able to install that driver from a usb stick when i started the installation
23:28.00roycroftand was able to complete the installation via wifi
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23:28.51sneymonkwitdafunk: yep, debian has the full archive available as isos and apt-cdrom lets you add them to your sources. good for systems that spend a lot of time off the public internet.
23:29.10petn-randallmonkwitdafunk: Ubuntu doesn't support that?
23:29.20sneyubuntu doesn't have the full cd sets I suspect
23:29.26lusrxroycroft: would that be an intel chip by any chance? i too am installing on a laptop.
23:29.35monkwitdafunki hope i can modify sources.list so it doesnt use the internetfor upgrades
23:29.49sneylusrx: there's a separate netinst that has the firmware files for wifi, including intel iwlwifi cards
23:29.57sney!firmware image
23:29.58dpkgThere are <live> system and <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages available from https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/  The images are "unofficial" because "official Debian" includes only 100% free software. They are otherwise identical to the normal installer images and prepared by the same Debian Developers. See <check iso>.
23:31.08monkwitdafunkdpkg: are there unofficial packages available on the archive media to be used for upgrades?
23:31.10dpkgYou are person #1 to send an unparseable request, monkwitdafunk
23:33.11monkwitdafunkokay
23:33.21lusrxis there a big difference between ubuntu and debian in terms of installation process and hardware requirements? the only reason i'm toying with debian is because ubuntu (and elementary) fail to boot on my laptop right after updating the software to latest version
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23:34.41sneymonkwitdafunk: dpkg is a bot. I'm not sure if non-free stuff is available on the official isos, actually, but it should be possible to make one
23:34.59monkwitdafunklusrx: if its okay, i would run badblocks -w using a live gnu linux, and run a clean install
23:35.31sneylusrx: it's about the same in most cases, with the exception of driver firmware, as mentioned above
23:35.56sneylusrx: and yeah, if you're having repeat issues across different linux distros I would recommend running some hardware diags
23:35.57H-varhaha I also thought that dpgk is a guy helping out :D
23:36.10monkwitdafunki guess manual install of drivers i can try if im patient
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23:36.55monkwitdafunkwhat is the default packet writing software for debian 10.6
23:36.55lusrxcurrent status: i used win32d* like you said and successfully wrote that debian iso file to a usb stick. and now i have "elementary" installed on ssd of the laptop, "ubuntu (p0: hfsblabla)" in showing in my bios/uefi boot menu (esc key) and i have a "debian" on usb stick plugged in and not showing anywhere...
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23:37.38sneyit should be visible in your efi boot menu
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23:39.35monkwitdafunkare there any non free drivers for intel graphics? i have one of the intel iris cards
23:39.47sney!i915 firmware
23:39.47dpkgSome Intel UHD GPUs made after 2015 require firmware from userspace for all features to be enabled. This includes Skylake, Kabylake, Broxton, Cannonlake and possibly others. Ask me about <non-free sources> and install firmware-misc-nonfree to provide.
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23:40.18sneytypically with driver firmware, if you install it once and the driver works, you don't need to worry about updates
23:40.25lusrxsney: my efi boot menu... you mean the bios boot menu right? the menu you get after pressing f8/f2/esc? just checking. i will try different usb ports, these things also act weird sometimes
23:40.33sneylusrx: yes that one.
23:40.46roycroftand actually, if you install it once and it works updates might break it
23:41.28sneynot exactly. but updates to firmware-nonfree are more often about adding new firmware blobs, than about updating existing ones
23:42.14monkwitdafunkokay, im hoping for another intel NUC that doesnt have the iris card
23:42.42monkwitdafunkmost intel NUC's are CSA approved as a safety rating
23:43.00sneyunfortunately, new hardware is trending towards needing *more* firmware, not less
23:43.15sneythe intel stuff usually works fine once it's installed at least
23:43.20lusrxsney: ok good to know. but i have tested in all 3 of my usb ports and i get 0. i even powered cycled the laptop between each plug/unplug to make sure it registers.
23:43.23monkwitdafunkfirmware as in basic I/O?
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23:43.37sneyfirmware as in the blackbox binary-only components of the driver
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23:44.11sneyon wifi it's usually RF regulatory stuff as far as anyone can tell, but the binary nature means nobody but intel knows exactly what's in there
23:45.21lusrxok so i used win32d* to write debian-10.6.0-amd64-DVD-3.iso to my usb stick. and the laptop does not see it. what file system is on this?
23:45.22monkwitdafunkwell if theymake the hardware, theymake the drivers then correct?
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23:46.31sneylusrx: erm, I'm not sure DVD-3 is bootable.
23:46.41roycrofti would recommend as a test setting the laptop to legacy bios mode and seeing if the usb stick boots
23:46.56roycroftif so then it's an efi issue
23:47.11monkwitdafunkive never evaluated EFI formware lusrx. im sorry
23:47.51roycroftand try something smaller like the image i use, until you get it figured out
23:47.59roycroftthat will save a lot of time when you're scribbling to usb sticks
23:48.03monkwitdafunkive evaluated two pallets of BIOS based desktops in the past. AMIbios was king then and still is
23:48.10roycrofti use debian-10.6.0-amd64-netinst.iso
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23:49.06monkwitdafunkroycroft: i know its bad for the enviroment but write once, read many is my preference of dong things
23:50.05roycrofti only have one optical drive these days - it's on my imac, and i use it almost exclusively for ripping cds/dvds
23:50.12monkwitdafunksd cards with the write block switch isnt that secure and i dont understand why
23:50.15roycrofti use thumb drives on all my other machines
23:50.18lusrxsney: i don't understand. why would my image not be bootable?
23:50.52lusrxi downloaded from this page: https://www.debian.org/CD/
23:50.55sneylusrx: because iirc, only the first DVD/CD in the set actually has the installer. images 2, 3, 4 etc only have packages.
23:51.11monkwitdafunkthats right lusrx
23:51.21monkwitdafunkive burnt the first 3 DVDs in the past
23:51.26lusrxomg... *facepalm*
23:51.30monkwitdafunki never got that far however
23:51.47monkwitdafunkdidnt you burn the netinstall lusrx?
23:51.52monkwitdafunkgo with netinstall
23:52.08sneyand as the page here says under "do I need all of these files?" "Initially, you will only need to download and use the first image of a set" https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-dvd/
23:52.10monkwitdafunkeven microsft has theirown version of netinstall
23:52.20lusrxlol. i thought this was a point release
23:52.38monkwitdafunkidk what a point release is
23:52.46sney!point release
23:52.47dpkgPoint releases are updates to <stable> and <oldstable>, fixing security and grave bug fixes. If you track security updates regularly (as you should!) there will often be no updates for you in the point release. You can upgrade to the latest point release with "apt update && apt full-upgrade". Ask me about <9.13>, <10.5>.. https://release.debian.org/ for a schedule
23:52.58lusrxforgive me for being dumb :)
23:53.29sneyno worries, happens to everyone
23:53.39lusrxfwiw, enabling csm made the usb stick show up on boot menu. but of course "reboot and select proper boot device or insert boot media"
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23:58.31sneysince you have intel wifi, the best bet is probably firmware-10.6.0-amd64-netinst.iso
23:59.03sneywhich is at https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/10.6.0+nonfree/amd64/iso-cd/
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