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| 00:00.37 | lusrx | i installed ubuntu earlier, 4 times, and elementary is installed currently, and they all work just fine, up until they both somehow screw up the bootup process after installing all the latest updates. leave me hanging at "ASUS IN SEARCH OF bla bla" logo or sometimes the boot menu or just a glowing black screen. |
| 00:01.37 | sney | that's unusual, but we don't know what changes those other OS teams have made that could cause that behavior. if it happens with debian we can help. |
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| 00:04.54 | lusrx | yeah it's very strange. i first thought it was because of proprietary nvidia drivers, but i did 2 installs of ubuntu with all those checkboxes deselected and still ran into the same issue. |
| 00:05.08 | lusrx | the good news is, rufus now knows how to write "debian-10.6.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso" :) |
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| 00:05.41 | lusrx | question! are these dvds chained? so i need the whole set during install? can i skip dvd 2 and 3? |
| 00:07.46 | jmcnaught | If you have network access during the install don't bother downloading DVDs, just use the netinst image. If you need to use wifi during the install you probably want the firmware ISO that snéy linked above. |
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| 00:10.57 | lusrx | firmware-10.6.0-amd64-netinst.iso this? |
| 00:11.08 | jmcnaught | yes |
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| 00:17.12 | lusrx | booted. trackpad not working... |
| 00:17.57 | jhutchins | lusrx: Did you checksum the iso file? |
| 00:18.23 | lusrx | no |
| 00:18.34 | jhutchins | Start there. |
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| 00:19.58 | jhutchins | lusrx: What did you use to "burn" the image? |
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| 00:21.09 | lusrx | ok, will do that. but i will call it a day now. i can't get past "detect network hardware". the iwlwifi dialog. asks me if i have such media available now and to insert it and continue. |
| 00:21.20 | lusrx | i have the graphical installer running |
| 00:21.46 | lusrx | keeps sending me back to that same question when i say yes |
| 00:22.06 | lusrx | jhutchins: rufus |
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| 00:22.29 | jhutchins | dd mode? |
| 00:22.49 | lusrx | no, iso mode |
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| 00:22.57 | jhutchins | There ya go. |
| 00:23.04 | jhutchins | Known issue. |
| 00:23.39 | lusrx | but if i select dd will i be able to install debian in uefi mode? |
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| 00:24.08 | lusrx | last time i had to enable csm to even see the usb stick |
| 00:25.28 | sney | lusrx: did you think we were joking, that whole thing with win32diskimager earlier? |
| 00:25.49 | sney | once more with feeling: RUFUS MAKES INCOMPATIBLE CHANGES TO THE DEBIAN ISO |
| 00:26.24 | sney | you already have win32di. just use it. |
| 00:27.17 | lusrx | alright. and i need to enable csm mode? |
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| 00:28.56 | sney | no |
| 00:29.03 | sney | debian supports uefi and secure boot |
| 00:30.26 | lusrx | alright. i will test this tomorrow and hope for the best. thanks for your help everyone! |
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| 01:15.26 | jhutchins | ,vv zoom |
| 01:15.41 | jhutchins | ,v zoom |
| 01:15.42 | judd | No package named 'zoom' was found in amd64. |
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| 01:20.02 | sney | jhutchins: even the main free alternative, jitsi, isn't in the archive though the hosted one mainly runs on debian cloud instances |
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| 01:42.42 | jhutchins | Just had to download the current version, purge the old and re-install. |
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| 02:11.24 | MeCrumbly429 | hello hello |
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| 03:42.35 | godane | i'm having some trouble with overlayfs with kernel 5.9 |
| 03:42.48 | godane | kernel 5.8 didn't have this problem |
| 03:44.12 | godane | i will get a no data available when using squashfs for lowerdir |
| 03:44.58 | godane | upperdir is fully writable |
| 03:45.40 | godane | i was even able to make a overlayfs between folders that are both writable |
| 03:47.32 | godane | basicly all files in the lowerdir that was source from squashfs can't be edited |
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| 03:51.17 | godane | this bug would kill live systems cause nothing in the filesystem.squashfs can be changed even when the upperlayer is writeable |
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| 04:25.27 | sney | godane: 5.9 changed some things with how non-gpl modules are allowed to interact with the rest of the kernel, and the out-of-tree module providers are responsible for catching up. since zfs is non-gpl I suspect this is what's happening though it's more infamously a problem with nvidia drivers and virtualbox. |
| 04:25.36 | sney | in any case the tl;dr is use 5.8 for now |
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| 05:10.23 | marz | What's the equivalent for "-D" adduser in Debian? |
| 05:11.12 | sney | as opposed to? |
| 05:12.22 | marz | I'm trying to migrate my docker images from alpine to slim-buster. "RUN ADDUSER -D user" gives me an error: Option d is ambiguous (debug, disabled-login, disabled-password) |
| 05:16.34 | sney | seems like -D is short for 'defaults' which should come from /etc/default/useradd, but possibly your slim buster image doesn't have the passwd package |
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| 05:22.32 | marz | ah, so I have to have "RUN apt install passwd" |
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| 05:34.43 | TuxCrazy | hi.. |
| 05:34.49 | TuxCrazy | how to remove xanmod kernel? |
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| 05:37.29 | sney | TuxCrazy: how did you install it? |
| 05:38.26 | TuxCrazy | echo 'deb http://deb.xanmod.org releases main' | sudo tee /etc/apt/sources.list.d/xanmod-kernel.list && wget -qO - https://dl.xanmod.org/gpg.key | sudo apt-key add - |
| 05:38.37 | TuxCrazy | sudo apt update && sudo apt install linux-xanmod |
| 05:39.06 | sney | ok, so the reverse. apt remove linux-xanmod, then rm /etc/apt/sources.list.d/xanmod-kernel.list |
| 05:39.22 | sney | and find the key in apt-key list and remove that too |
| 05:39.37 | TuxCrazy | sney, ok |
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| 05:41.22 | TuxCrazy | sney, how to fine the key in apt-key list? |
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| 05:43.15 | sney | run 'apt-key list' and look at the ensuing list with your eyeballs, paying attention to the 'uid' field, looking for something that identifies it as xanmod's key. since it was added with apt-key add, it'll be near the top of the list |
| 05:43.46 | TuxCrazy | sney, ok |
| 05:44.20 | sney | then you use apt-key del KEYID where the keyid is the thing that looks like '6ED6 F5CB 5FA6 FB2F 460A E88E EDA0 D238 8AE2 2BA9' |
| 05:44.36 | TuxCrazy | sney, ok |
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| 05:46.05 | TuxCrazy | sney, is this to be done with sudo? |
| 05:46.34 | sney | yes, any system administration tasks should be done with sudo. |
| 05:46.49 | TuxCrazy | sney, ok |
| 05:47.16 | sney | if you know you are going to be running multiple commands, do 'sudo -i' to get a root shell, so you don't have to type sudo for every single command. |
| 05:47.39 | Zombie | Are any of you Packagers? I sent in a Package Request. |
| 05:47.59 | sney | Zombie: a RFP? |
| 05:48.06 | TuxCrazy | sney, ok |
| 05:48.25 | Zombie | Yes. |
| 05:48.33 | Zombie | I need pcnfsd built. |
| 05:48.58 | sney | ,bug bug wnpp pcnfsd |
| 05:48.59 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/975595 in wnpp (open): «RFP: pcnfsd -- RPC Server That Supports ONC Clients»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2020-11-23; last modified: 2020-11-24. |
| 05:50.45 | sney | RFP bugs are considered 'wishlist' for a reason. if you're hoping for a quick turnaround, you may want to look at packaging it yourself instead. |
| 05:51.10 | sney | and submitting to debian, if that wasn't clear |
| 05:52.05 | TuxCrazy | sney, can I pm you? |
| 05:52.17 | sney | TuxCrazy: keep all questions in the channel, please. |
| 05:52.44 | TuxCrazy | sney, just one time. |
| 05:52.48 | sney | if you want to paste something, use https://paste.debian.net/ |
| 05:52.52 | sney | no, I do not want a pm. |
| 05:53.12 | TuxCrazy | the key is not getting removed. |
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| 05:53.58 | sney | read 'man apt-key' for detailed apt-key instructions. I'm tired, I'm out for the night |
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| 05:54.31 | TuxCrazy | sney, o |
| 05:54.35 | TuxCrazy | sney, ok |
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| 06:01.10 | TuxCrazy | sney, I removed the key. |
| 06:01.18 | TuxCrazy | sney, thanks a lot for your help. |
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| 06:25.16 | Maris-XP | How does one get more verbose init information, such as that seen on Slackware, I'd like to see all of the dmesg and perhaps system services startup information. I am on debian 10 by the way |
| 06:26.12 | Maris-XP | Also would it be possible to not have the terminal cleared when the login prompt appears? |
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| 06:33.04 | themill | Maris-XP: https://wiki.debian.org/systemd#Missing_startup_messages_on_console.28tty1.29_after_the_boot |
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| 06:33.36 | themill | note that those boot messages plus lots more are logged and getting them from journalctl is probably more useful |
| 06:36.15 | Maris-XP | themill, I know, I just like seeing them as they happen |
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| 06:47.01 | jelly | a fellow connosieur of lines-scrolling-on-console-during-boot |
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| 07:12.20 | marz | Error: Unable to compile the binary module. Do you have the rrdtool header and libraries installed? What's the equivalent package for python-rrdtool? |
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| 07:47.34 | eblip | hey i have a mount point /mnt/usb and i have chown to user:user and it looks great |
| 07:47.56 | eblip | when i mount the usb to the mount point /mnt/usb becomes root:root |
| 07:48.01 | eblip | any ideas why |
| 07:48.06 | towo^work | that's absolute normal |
| 07:48.13 | eblip | i am using mount /dev/sdx /mnt/usb |
| 07:48.28 | eblip | i want to be able to access the files and delete them as user |
| 07:48.31 | jelly | eblip: the filesystem you're mounting has its own permissions stored within it |
| 07:48.42 | eblip | ah ok |
| 07:48.42 | jelly | you can change them only after it's mounted |
| 07:48.58 | eblip | ok..ill try changing them now thanks |
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| 07:49.50 | eblip | chown: changing ownership not permitted even by root |
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| 07:50.02 | eblip | after i have mounted the pen drive |
| 07:50.21 | towo^work | then it's not a linux fs |
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| 07:50.57 | towo^work | if it is vfat, mount it with -o umask=000 |
| 07:51.01 | eblip | yes i was thinking it is probably some kind of vfat |
| 07:51.16 | eblip | thanks ill try that |
| 07:51.35 | jelly | eblip: permissions work like that on well behaved unix filesystem types. If you have a vfat or ntfs fs type on the usb device, those have options for uid, gid and faked permissions to be used at mount time. So, mount options. |
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| 07:52.28 | eblip | hey jelly ...if i change the fs to ext4 will the pen drive work on a windows machine |
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| 07:52.45 | jelly | no, only if you install a driver for ext4 on windows |
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| 07:53.18 | eblip | ah ok...ill keep as vfat and learn to mount it usnig the masks towo^work |
| 07:53.22 | jelly | (I do not know if there's a _good_ driver for ext4 for windows 10) |
| 07:53.42 | shtrb | jelly, I think the ext4 should arrive nativally supported in win10 (opt-in ) feature |
| 07:54.08 | shtrb | s/should//g |
| 07:55.29 | shtrb | eblip, https://devblogs.microsoft.com/commandline/access-linux-filesystems-in-windows-and-wsl-2/ but it is also have a very odd interface (non intuitive ) |
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| 07:55.52 | towo^work | wsl-2 is nothing other than a hyper-v vm |
| 07:56.01 | shtrb | t |
| 07:56.01 | towo^work | that's all other than native windows |
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| 07:56.18 | eblip | for safety shtrb im going to stick with vfat on the pen drive and just delete files with root |
| 07:56.20 | kristijonas | I'd need some help to configure dns over tls: followed this: https://www.ctrl.blog/entry/unbound-tls-forwarding.html but still getting negative test results at https://www.cloudflare.com/ssl/encrypted-sni/ |
| 07:57.03 | shtrb | towo^work, When I meant native , I meant native by Microsoft and not via an external source like the extfs solutions. Explorer can also access these mounts later |
| 07:57.21 | shtrb | eblip, that is in fact better approach to use ext :) |
| 07:57.35 | jelly | presumably over a guest/host vm interface. |
| 07:58.06 | jelly | so you still have to a) present usb disk to Linux VM b) mount c) share with host... seems convoluted |
| 07:58.19 | eblip | shtrb its an emergency pen drive with a few files i may need when i am travelling...and i will access them on somoene elses machine ... |
| 07:58.33 | eblip | so its probably going to be windows |
| 07:58.38 | jelly | then keep it vfat or ntfs. |
| 07:58.42 | eblip | yes |
| 07:58.53 | shtrb | There's also extfs solutions, good for read , never trusiting them with write. vfat is the safest approach |
| 07:58.54 | jelly | vfat has that 4GiB size limit |
| 07:58.56 | eblip | thanks a lot guys |
| 07:59.09 | jelly | if that's not a problem for you, keep using it |
| 08:01.21 | shtrb | just be aware of the 4GB limit and 32 gb limits of LBA |
| 08:01.45 | shtrb | (*) W95 FAT32 LBA issue |
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| 08:06.46 | shtrb | What would be a good base package installation for python developers in a debian vm (is it even wise to give them buster or I should be basing on side) ? I'm giving windows devs a Linux based environment where they would be working in. I know they can use venv and later install what they wish , I just wish to give them the most welcoming environment possible . |
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| 08:07.44 | shtrb | I thought about just installing python3-* but that might be an overkill |
| 08:08.50 | lowin | Hello. I was thinking about replacing openwrt with debian on my router. I was just wondering if there are any good web based control panels for network configuration similar to luci that I could use? |
| 08:09.51 | shtrb | lowin, are you sure your hardware support debian ? openwrt can work even on 4/32 installation when most debian installations would have a hard time |
| 08:10.05 | eblip | shtrb .. i wasnt using a vm..but i installed buster, and just venv and it was easy enough to start developing in python...and i was totally clueless about things ..but after a simple youtube vid on venv and buster...i was away. |
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| 08:10.48 | lowin | shtrb, I can make it work if I try. my router has 512mb ram with usb support which I plan to use as the rootfs |
| 08:10.53 | eblip | managed to build a full website with django and buster |
| 08:11.26 | lowin | My plan is to use boot openwrt kernel with necessary kernel modules and switch_root into debian |
| 08:11.56 | shtrb | eblip, thanks , and had there been tools you had preferred that would had been installed before hand ? |
| 08:13.23 | eblip | for me it was only django ...the pip stuff comes with the venv...but maybe a small document with some links explaining that you can get all the most up to date packages using pip...also install git...and a brief description....and tell them that they can do web dev with django and a few links.. |
| 08:13.36 | eblip | that would have been useful for me ..and stopped a lot of fumbling around |
| 08:14.06 | eblip | oh and a brief explanation of a virtual environment venv |
| 08:15.19 | shtrb | thanks eblip , git and svn was already selects, so was pip3 , about django - you mean the debian packages correct ? |
| 08:16.08 | eblip | yes django...oh and if they are going to be doing webdev....my preference is also tell them they may require a database and basically just go for postgresql.. |
| 08:16.45 | eblip | or you can do like me ..install django 1.9 ...and mysql ...and no virtual env..and stored my files on my machine ..until the python and django guys woke me up |
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| 08:17.22 | eblip | to venv..pip..git..postgresql oh and also give them an idea of what ide they may use |
| 08:17.31 | shtrb | I'm not the one who is going to do python :) , I'm just making them vms so they could easily work |
| 08:17.34 | eblip | i just use vim and tmux |
| 08:17.53 | eblip | tmux and vim made a really decent ide for me |
| 08:18.02 | shtrb | not pycharm ? |
| 08:18.03 | eblip | but ther is atom and visual studio code |
| 08:18.21 | eblip | and pycharm |
| 08:18.32 | eblip | but vs code is a bit heavy i am told |
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| 08:19.14 | eblip | the website came out ok too www.wizanalytics.com |
| 08:19.14 | shtrb | You got pycharm from flatpak or somewhere else ? |
| 08:19.29 | eblip | i didnt use pycharm.. |
| 08:19.54 | shtrb | oh |
| 08:19.59 | shtrb | thanks for the comments |
| 08:20.29 | eblip | yes...those comments are from a total beginner fumbling through |
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| 08:23.20 | eblip | i didnt bother with pycharm, as my machines are real old ..and i needed the lightest possible ide...so i just used vim, nerdtree and tmux..i think that is as light as it gets...plus there is a plugin to help with python..but i didnt even bother |
| 08:24.06 | eblip | after about a week on vim nerd and tmux ..you wont need an ide |
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| 08:30.34 | eblip | if they are going to be web developing with django ...the best resource i found after the django intro was https://simpleisbetterthancomplex.com/ |
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| 08:41.04 | shtrb | Why does libreoffice try to open "/usr/share/hwdata/pnp.ids" when I open doc files ? is that normal |
| 08:44.32 | ratrace | use the source, luke |
| 08:45.18 | shtrb | wrong channel , I'm asking if that is even normal |
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| 08:45.50 | ratrace | the default apparmor profile doesn't list the path, so it's not exepected by IT, at least |
| 08:46.14 | ratrace | (but the profile is rather limited, so it doesn't mean much) |
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| 08:47.18 | shtrb | I get that it a block by apparmor , I don't know if it should be enabled in the first place |
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| 08:47.44 | ratrace | how do you even see it trying that file? straced it? |
| 08:47.56 | godane | so looks like i can using ramfs to get overlayfs to work for the moment |
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| 08:48.14 | godane | problem is with saving changes |
| 08:48.22 | shtrb | ratrace, apparmor complained about it :) |
| 08:48.53 | ratrace | shtrb: can you pastebin the exact denial line from the audit log? |
| 08:49.24 | godane | ext4 gives the same no data available error when trying to write to existing files |
| 08:50.48 | shtrb | ratrace, audit: type=1400 audit(1606466420.748:59): apparmor="ALLOWED" operation="open" profile="libreoffice-soffice" name="/usr/share/hwdata/pnp.ids" pid=14308 comm="soffice.bin" requested_mask="r" denied_mask="r" fsuid=1000 ouid=0 |
| 08:50.54 | shtrb | And oops it was enabled :-( |
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| 08:53.01 | ratrace | because it's in complain mode |
| 08:53.27 | shtrb | I'm not saying apparomor is in the wrong here ... |
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| 08:54.28 | ratrace | no I mean the default apparmor profile does NOT list the path, meaning it's not normally expected by it. it could mean two things: a) the profile is incomplete, b) the access is really not expected and soffice has no business opening the file |
| 08:54.52 | ratrace | I'm leaning toward betting in favor of a) tho |
| 08:55.10 | themill | At a guess, it's either getting ready to tell you about hardware plug-n-play devices, or it's going to map TLAs to companies for you |
| 08:55.11 | shtrb | and I'm to b :) |
| 08:55.29 | ratrace | shtrb: given the state of other profiles, a) is more likely |
| 08:55.51 | themill | lots of things want to look in the hwdata databases to help you do things |
| 08:56.07 | themill | (printer or scanner most likely for libreoffice?) |
| 08:56.33 | themill | but it could be as simple as the filepicker that you've got libreoffice configured to use |
| 08:56.37 | ratrace | right, and I was expecting to see some other comm tryna access that file, some subproces forked by and not directly part of libreoffice, but it seems that's not the case, soffice.bin is directly trying the file |
| 08:57.30 | ratrace | themill: ah yes.... maybe via libcups? |
| 08:58.31 | shtrb | I do have several printers configured , technically there is a scanner on the same machine (but I only used scanimage and not any ui tool for that) |
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| 09:02.48 | ratrace | at AA upstream, hwdata is only listed under kde-open5 profile. so I'd say the soffice profile is simply incomplete, and maybe the whole hwdata thing should be made into an abstraction. |
| 09:03.23 | ratrace | sorry, not profile but kde-open5 abstraction. so hwdata should be separated as its own, maybe. something to file a bug report upstream, maybe. |
| 09:04.10 | shtrb | :-/ |
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| 09:20.04 | ratrace | shtrb: why are you so concerned tho? by default soffice is in complain mode, definitely suggesting it's incomplete, and also would log a ton more denials |
| 09:20.22 | shtrb | I do not trust doc files |
| 09:20.45 | shtrb | and I got it only for doc files (not for others) |
| 09:21.23 | shtrb | no , sorry , now I see it reads all the time , I blamed doc for nothing :-( |
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| 09:22.23 | ratrace | how rude! |
| 09:22.59 | shtrb | don't trust doc files on general , don't even open docx if he can , and prefer everything to be just md files |
| 09:23.12 | shtrb | man , and info files are also ok |
| 09:23.40 | shtrb | On unrelated question to fix (enable) - type=1400 audit(1606463447.355:57): apparmor="DENIED" operation="open" profile="/usr/bin/pidgin" name="/sys/class/video4linux/" pid=7974 comm="gst-plugin-scan" requested_mask="r" denied_mask="r" fsuid=1000 ouid=0 I need just to declare "/sys/class/video4linux/* mr," correct ? |
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| 09:26.59 | ratrace | shtrb: both video4linux/ (no asterisk) and video4linux/** probably. |
| 09:27.15 | shtrb | what does ** mean in that context ? |
| 09:27.37 | ratrace | all paths under it, including those with / meaning all files and subdirs, recursively |
| 09:27.57 | ratrace | single * allows only names directly in the directory |
| 09:28.00 | shtrb | oh thanks |
| 09:28.37 | ratrace | not afraid of someone spying you over the webcam? :) |
| 09:29.11 | shtrb | it's plugin for video chat , it is expected to work :D |
| 09:29.25 | shtrb | and I have a mechnical lock on the webcam |
| 09:29.50 | shtrb | analog shutter ? |
| 09:29.52 | ratrace | right :) |
| 09:30.07 | ratrace | is that a librem laptop? |
| 09:30.13 | lusrx | sney: partitioning and formatting disk right now. dd mode in rufus worked really nicely for me. thank you! but trackpad is still not working for some reason. hopefully it will be sorted out once i have the system up and running. |
| 09:30.31 | shtrb | ratrace , no , a thinkpad, I couldn't afford to get a liberm with covid19 and all |
| 09:31.01 | ratrace | is that switch native to thinkpad or you got a usb cam or something? |
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| 09:31.16 | shtrb | native to thinkpads |
| 09:31.24 | ratrace | how 'bout that. |
| 09:31.59 | shtrb | you can also buy a shutter for laptops , it's cost is ~12 euro or something like that , you just glue it over your camera hole |
| 09:33.07 | ratrace | shtrb: this? https://www.smartmash.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/shutter-1.jpg |
| 09:33.26 | ratrace | when I had laptops, I'd ghetto it with a piece of electrical tape :) |
| 09:33.42 | shtrb | like that one |
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| 09:38.17 | shtrb | could a block over /sys/class/video explain why audio is not working either ? |
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| 09:40.17 | Symaxion | Hi folks, I'm getting this error when doing an apt-get update, is this a known issue? W: GPG error: http://deb.debian.org/debian buster InRelease: At least one invalid signature was encountered. |
| 09:42.31 | ratrace | shtrb: sorry I'm not familiar with inner workings of V4L |
| 09:43.10 | shtrb | Thanks , I'm just trying to guess and debug why I can't have audio calls with purple anymore |
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| 09:43.55 | shtrb | it used to work in jessie :-( I hope that is not a bug |
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| 09:50.30 | ratrace | shtrb: well you can put pidgin in complain mode and see if starts working. if it does, then check the profile and look for denials |
| 09:51.25 | lusrx | help! i have a black glowing screen again. debian just finished installing all 1300+ packages and toward the end it rebooted i think. |
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| 09:52.01 | lusrx | never mind it's back again |
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| 09:56.13 | lusrx | all works fine and i can boot (hurray!) but how can i get 150% scaling? i have only seen this available on ubuntu 20.04 |
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| 09:57.19 | simplicius | Hello |
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| 09:57.25 | simplicius | fatal error: openssl/conf.h: No such file or directory #include <openssl/conf.h> |
| 09:57.34 | simplicius | what package do I need? |
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| 09:59.24 | alexises | hum libopenssl-dev I think |
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| 10:00.07 | simplicius | I could find none here: https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=default§ion=all&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=openssl+dev |
| 10:00.38 | meltingwax | i'm having some problems with accessing a port on my server externally (inside LAN and outside). i checked iptables and there shouldn't be a firewall active, so i'm puzzled why port 80 works but this one doesnt |
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| 10:04.04 | lusrx | my trackpad works now but i only have one button working. how do i right click? |
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| 10:09.30 | lusrx | never mind. i enabled touch click and i can use two fingers now to right click. but the right button is still not working. |
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| 11:25.27 | RhineDevil | I'm trying to do a passwordless and keyless SSH guest access. For that I followed these articles: https://debian-administration.org/article/590/OpenSSH_SFTP_chroot_with_ChrootDirectory (hosted on archive.org) https://singpolyma.net/2009/11/anonymous-sftp-on-ubuntu and https://askubuntu.com/questions/583141 |
| 11:26.38 | ratrace | RhineDevil: passwordless and keyless? then using what for authorization? |
| 11:27.03 | RhineDevil | ratrace, nothing, it's supposed to work like ftp anonymous account |
| 11:27.41 | ratrace | well I never tried that with ssh... but what's your question. |
| 11:28.28 | RhineDevil | ratrace, I'm not achieving it. It still asks me for a password even though I've enabled PermitEmptyPasswords for Match Group |
| 11:28.46 | ratrace | tried to hit just enter and submit an empty password? |
| 11:29.05 | RhineDevil | ratrace, mhhh gotta try that |
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| 11:29.45 | RhineDevil | ratrace, doesn't let me do that. it says "no password supplied" |
| 11:29.46 | ratrace | I'm not sure openssh would allow completely noninteractive login. could be wrong, like I said, I never tried it. my inner security daemons are now screaming and trashing about... |
| 11:30.02 | ratrace | RhineDevil: does the account you're trying have empty password field? |
| 11:30.10 | aiRness | Hello. Just upgraded my debian sid, are there any known bugs for pulseaudio ? Even the aplay doesn't give any soundcards installed |
| 11:30.11 | RhineDevil | ratrace, yes |
| 11:30.52 | RhineDevil | aiRness, pulseaudio didn't see any soundcard even in stable for me |
| 11:30.56 | ratrace | !tell aiRness about debian-next |
| 11:31.30 | aiRness | RhineDevil: well everything was workign fine until yesterday's upgrade, thing is aplay doesn't even see the soundcards now (pulseaudio shows dummy devices) |
| 11:31.45 | RhineDevil | I've beheaded the bull by just installing jack as a system-wide daemon and using pulseaudio as a jack client |
| 11:32.13 | RhineDevil | but it's not an everyday task I had to mess around with lots of things |
| 11:33.15 | RhineDevil | ratrace, yes the account I'm using has an empty password field |
| 11:34.13 | ratrace | RhineDevil: wait I'm looking throug the manpage. this is highly unusual |
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| 11:34.36 | ratrace | RhineDevil: meanwhile, you made sure the sftp login is forced (no ssh allowed) and it's chrooted? |
| 11:35.14 | ratrace | RhineDevil: okay try adding AuthenticationMethods none to the group match |
| 11:36.03 | aiRness | and I also don't get why people recommend to install pipewire now to have pulseaudio working properly |
| 11:36.21 | ratrace | who's "recommending" |
| 11:36.34 | RhineDevil | ratrace, yeah I did |
| 11:37.16 | ratrace | pipewire is very much new software. fedora wants to switch to it within next or netx two releases. imho, it'll be PA debacle all over again, but fine.... definitely not happening in debian for next and I doubt even for next-next |
| 11:37.56 | aiRness | I don't get why I complete lost track of the soundcard though, even with aplay -l |
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| 11:43.57 | RhineDevil | ratrace, do match user directives take precedence over match group? |
| 11:44.55 | ratrace | I don't know |
| 11:46.25 | ratrace | RhineDevil: found this... note the distiction between "empty password" (witha hash for "empty") and "no password" which apparently doesn't work. https://superuser.com/questions/1489017/login-to-ssh-with-no-password-and-no-ssh-key |
| 11:47.19 | ratrace | so, again, they DO set a password, through a hard-coded hash of basically newline I think |
| 11:47.54 | ratrace | see the two links in the accepted answer for more info |
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| 11:49.00 | ratrace | RhineDevil: finally... I have to warn you, this setup is very, very very fragile. One tiny mistake and you've opened your server to free, unauthenticated login, to the whole wide internet. |
| 11:50.16 | RhineDevil | ratrace, thank you |
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| 11:51.26 | ratrace | perhaps it'd be better to actually use a ftpd configured for anonymous upload. I think vsftpd does that out of the box |
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| 12:09.32 | algun | how do you find which package a command comes from again? |
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| 12:10.53 | shtrb | ratrace, ftp is evil , even anoynous uploads should be secured |
| 12:12.12 | shtrb | RhineDevil, chroot is not secure , nor does it should be considered as a security meassure |
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| 12:12.50 | algun | dpkg -S envsubst |
| 12:12.50 | dpkg | Dingos ate my envsubst! |
| 12:12.52 | algun | i guess |
| 12:13.08 | algun | s/envsubst/<your own package>/ of course |
| 12:13.23 | algun | and by package i mean command. Maybe I should stop speaking |
| 12:14.08 | RhineDevil | shtrb, if you cant access shell what could you possibly do? |
| 12:14.16 | RhineDevil | if chrooted |
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| 12:15.13 | shtrb | a break out of chroot , normally leave you with root access |
| 12:19.53 | shtrb | RhineDevil, a wise man once said , https://wiki.debian.org/chroot#Usage currently appears to recommend the use of chroots for "securing" a service. should this be changed, since it is generally agreed that chroot should not be used a security barrier? (as per `man 2 chroot` and many other sources) |
| 12:21.21 | shtrb | RhineDevil, from the man file: This call changes an ingredient in the pathname resolution process and does nothing else. In particular, it is not intended to be used for any kind of security purâ |
| 12:21.22 | shtrb | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:21.22 | shtrb | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:21.22 | shtrb | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:22.29 | gryffus | Hello, is there anyone with experiences with EJBCA? I am trying to find "EJBCA Client Toolbox" for CLI access to EJBCA, but cannot find it anywhere. I just need to check for existence of a certain certificate from bash |
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| 12:28.22 | jelly | gryffus: "what is EJBCA" |
| 12:28.51 | gryffus | jelly, The only open-source Certificate Authority I know |
| 12:29.20 | shtrb | jelly, a key exchange system |
| 12:30.51 | gryffus | shtrb, Key exchange is something different according to wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Key_exchange. This is Certificate Authority: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EJBCA |
| 12:32.16 | RhineDevil | shtrb, yeah but point is, if you just can access sftp and not shell, you cant execute anything. doesn't matter if it just changes the path, cause you won't be able to execute a process that goes outside this path anyway |
| 12:32.47 | jelly | I thought LE ran on fully opensource software. https://github.com/letsencrypt/boulder |
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| 12:33.28 | bezaban | gryffus: it's in the download |
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| 12:34.46 | bezaban | I'm trying to remember what the build target is, it's been a while since I've worked with it |
| 12:34.52 | gryffus | jelly, LE is something little different, than on-prem local certification authority |
| 12:35.05 | gryffus | Jelly, some do not trust LE certificates |
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| 12:35.45 | shtrb | RhineDevil, have you looked on the part when it can read ANY file on the mounted file system ? |
| 12:35.59 | gryffus | bezaban, I can see only ejbca_ce_6_15_2_6.zip |
| 12:36.03 | bezaban | ejbca is open source, but has some enterprise functions. It's used by some public type CAs as well as other product scoped or internal ones :) |
| 12:36.05 | RhineDevil | shtrb, how can it read ANY file if you're locked inside the cage |
| 12:36.38 | shtrb | RhineDevil, man 2 chroot |
| 12:36.40 | bezaban | gryffus: yeah, that's the one. |
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| 12:37.01 | gryffus | bezaban, but I need client toolbox, not EJBCA itself |
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| 12:37.13 | bezaban | gryffus: it's shipped along with ejbca |
| 12:37.24 | gryffus | bezaban, oh :x sorry for ignorance |
| 12:37.27 | bezaban | gryffus: see bin/ejbca.sh |
| 12:37.44 | gryffus | bezaban, I see, thank you! :) |
| 12:37.51 | RhineDevil | shtrb, "if a folder is moved", what does it mean by this |
| 12:38.06 | bezaban | gryffus: I just can't remember how to build it |
| 12:38.28 | ratrace | shtrb: sftp chroot is not quite the same thing here |
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| 12:39.27 | gryffus | bezaban, build? I need binary package, not source code... I don't have Java build chain here :( |
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| 12:39.45 | gryffus | bezaban, with ant, FYI... |
| 12:40.37 | bezaban | gryffus: yeah, ant - right. I'm not sure there are any binary downloads available |
| 12:40.58 | gryffus | Omg thanks so much PrimeKey :/ |
| 12:41.09 | gryffus | I hate Java so much |
| 12:42.56 | shtrb | gryffus, move to use windows files and you will not hate Jave on debian so much anymore |
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| 12:44.48 | gryffus | I use SUSE FYI |
| 12:45.05 | gryffus | And no, thanks. No windows plz... Its the same as Java |
| 12:45.57 | shtrb | but with windows, java is no loner that bad |
| 12:46.49 | gryffus | Well, IIS + Java on Windows is the best combo of all |
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| 12:46.56 | gryffus | :D |
| 12:47.04 | gryffus | If you hate your sanity |
| 12:47.51 | gryffus | And you can connect it all to AAD!!! :D |
| 12:48.50 | gryffus | Nevermid, I have to build a VM with Java build chain just to compile one small client (JAVA!!!) application... Amazing :D |
| 12:48.54 | gryffus | cya |
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| 12:52.53 | jelly | gryffus: I meant the open source software component LE uses, not their public instance |
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| 12:53.45 | bezaban | gryffus: it built relatively easily with ant clientToolBox -> dist/clientToolBox |
| 12:54.11 | bezaban | clientToolBox being the target, then it lands in dist |
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| 12:56.49 | gryffus | jelly, ok, will investigate that |
| 12:57.09 | gryffus | bezaban, my goal was to avoid installing Java build chain |
| 12:57.35 | gryffus | bezaban, it seems as a big overkill, when I need only one little app |
| 12:58.01 | gryffus | Given Java should be portable, so it should not be needed for everyone to compile it locally, but nevermind |
| 12:58.40 | jelly | gryffus: eh. I have a separate vm just for that. :-\ |
| 12:58.49 | gryffus | jelly, yeah, just setting one up |
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| 13:04.04 | bezaban | I'm not sure why I even had java available |
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| 14:21.40 | marz | What package do I need to install to satisfy this error: "Error: Unable to compile the binary module. Do you have the rrdtool header and libraries installed?" |
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| 14:24.31 | torbjorn | sorry for asking something super trivial as this, but I installed debian 10 as a kvm/qemu virtual guest, with a bridged interface, and now want to configure a static ip address. I take out iface ens3 inet dhcp and instead type iface ens3 inet static address 192.168.3.0/24 gateway 192.168.3.1 # but when I do ifdown ens3 and ifup ens3 , ens3 now has two ip addresses, both the original dhcp ip and the new |
| 14:24.37 | torbjorn | static ip |
| 14:25.07 | torbjorn | if I tcpdump for udp 67:68 on the kvm host, I see activity the moment I do ifup, every time |
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| 14:26.14 | torbjorn | so im wondering how to setup networking with just the static ip info |
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| 14:28.50 | torbjorn | this is my interfaces: https://paste.debian.net/1174594/ |
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| 14:29.23 | shtrb | marz , we need little bit more about it but at leas you would need rrdtool and librrds-perl dh-lua gem2deb gem2deb-test-runner libdbi-dev libdbi1 liblua5.1-0-dev liblua5.2-dev liblua5.3-dev liblua5.4-dev libpython3-all-dbg libpython3-all-dev libpython3-dbg |
| 14:29.23 | shtrb | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:45.13 | rnm | hello everyone. do #debian on freenode are same like #debian on otfc irc? |
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| 14:49.32 | nkuttler | rnm: they are both debian support channels |
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| 14:55.15 | jelly | this one's bigger |
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| 15:06.57 | rnm | jelly, so not bridge each other? |
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| 15:11.08 | RhineDevil | tried https://debian-administration.org/article/590/OpenSSH_SFTP_chroot_with_ChrootDirectory instructions and doesn't work |
| 15:11.23 | RhineDevil | what fails specifically is ChrootDirectory |
| 15:12.25 | RhineDevil | you can use internal sftp as subsystem and ForceCommand, but if you do "ChrootDirectory /home/%u" it fails and ssh always closes the connection |
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| 15:15.00 | SnakesAndStuff | I'm having problems with bind9 in debian buster. When I try to write a log file to /var/log/bind/bind.log whith /var/log/bind and the bind.log belonging to bind.bind with proper permissions it still fails (testing it as running in foreground to see error) |
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| 15:15.03 | SnakesAndStuff | isc_stdio_open '/var/log/bind/bind.log' failed: permission denied |
| 15:15.48 | SnakesAndStuff | I can even su -s /bin/sh bind and create/edit the file.... so why is this a permissions problem? |
| 15:17.32 | ksk | RhineDevil: "it fails" is a very technical description! |
| 15:17.51 | ksk | I do assume you actually did create a chrootable enviromnent beforehand? |
| 15:18.22 | ksk | SnakesAndStuff: there is the group adm, which is normally given to stuff which needs to write to /var/log |
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| 15:18.53 | ksk | SnakesAndStuff: but eh, I would the standard config of bind9 to be able to write to its logfiles - so what did you change and why? |
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| 15:20.44 | SnakesAndStuff | ksk: Because I was going to make the output more verbose and enable logging... Trying to figure out why some DNS queries are getting blocked/failing with runnined a cached dns server |
| 15:21.02 | SnakesAndStuff | and rather than spam syslog, I was going to temporarily have it write to a specific file |
| 15:21.30 | SnakesAndStuff | ksk: And my "it fails" is a laughable technical description. But what I posted is the actual output. |
| 15:22.19 | ksk | kk, then from what you say: bind9 is not running as user "bind". |
| 15:22.42 | ksk | Mhhm, maybe also make sure no namespace/cgroup/protection options are set in bind9 systemd unit file. |
| 15:23.01 | SnakesAndStuff | When I disable logging, and start it via systemctl it surely does run as bind. |
| 15:23.41 | ksk | kk, checkout systemd foo then ;) |
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| 15:25.05 | SnakesAndStuff | For what it is worth, it fails equally even if I try to write to some file outside of /var/log |
| 15:25.16 | SnakesAndStuff | Does bind run in a chrooted environment by default? |
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| 15:26.29 | jelly | rnm: no, they are completely separate |
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| 15:28.30 | ksk | SnakesAndStuff: Like I said, checkout its unit file to answer that.. |
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| 15:28.59 | ksk | many, many services these days do use one or the other lockdown mechanism. |
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| 15:29.04 | SnakesAndStuff | ksk: More descriptive please? Where is the unit file typically found? |
| 15:29.12 | SnakesAndStuff | is that the /etc/default/bind file? |
| 15:29.49 | SnakesAndStuff | *bind9 |
| 15:30.26 | ksk | Nah, that is part of the bind9 config. |
| 15:30.28 | ksk | https://wiki.debian.org/systemd/Services |
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| 15:31.23 | ksk | typicly it is in "/lib/systemd/system/XxX.service" - you can copy it to /etc/systemd/system and then edit it there - it will take priority over the one coming from the package |
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| 15:34.04 | SnakesAndStuff | ksk: I took a look in that file... followed it from the symlink in /etc/systemd/system/multi-user.target.wants/bind9.service |
| 15:34.26 | SnakesAndStuff | which is where I pulled the startup command from and added a -f to run it in the foreground to try to get error messages. |
| 15:35.15 | SnakesAndStuff | https://pastebin.com/BqSsEUZM |
| 15:35.48 | ksk | okay, that does not enforce security related stuff onto bind. |
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| 15:37.35 | SnakesAndStuff | Interesting... gives the same error if I try to write to a file in a directory outside of /var/log... .even with 777 permissions |
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| 15:39.48 | SnakesAndStuff | maybe apparmor? where would that show in the configs? |
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| 15:41.55 | rocketmagnet | hi everyone,i have a problem with the alt+gr key... when i ptress open brackets i get ( |
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| 15:42.25 | rocketmagnet | and close brackets gives me an ) |
| 15:42.45 | SnakesAndStuff | or maybe I have an error in my named.conf.log in the way I try to log... |
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| 15:45.29 | SnakesAndStuff | but named-checkconf checks out... |
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| 16:08.26 | RhineDevil | ksk, ssh chroot doesn't work as normal chroots + internal-sftp should be handled by the daemon itself, in theory |
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| 16:29.54 | ksk | From my understanding it works as you would expect from a chroot :P |
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| 16:56.04 | grondilu | I wanted to spare some CPU for a remote laptop connect to only through SSH, so I ran it on runlevel 3 instead of 6. Problem is apparently now the screen never turns off, and it's kind of bright. How could I turn it off ? |
| 16:56.24 | grondilu | s/laptop connect/laptop I connect/ |
| 16:57.00 | grondilu | I suppose I could run it back on level 6, but meh. |
| 16:58.13 | grondilu | googles it |
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| 16:59.17 | grondilu | finds page about vbetool |
| 16:59.37 | grondilu | tries suggested command |
| 16:59.48 | grondilu | notices it works |
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| 17:52.52 | asterismo_l | hi |
| 17:53.12 | sney | hi |
| 17:53.28 | asterismo_l | i'm trying to install debian in an old PC with two IDE/ATA drives on a RAID1 |
| 17:54.20 | asterismo_l | updating grub breaks grub and the system goes to a grub rescue, this happens with Debian 10, and i think 9 and 8 too. This not happens with Debian 7 |
| 17:54.42 | sney | how is the raid configured? |
| 17:54.56 | asterismo_l | if i unplug one drive, the system boots grub no problem, as soon as i plug the other drive, grub-rescue |
| 17:55.25 | asterismo_l | plugging each drive alone, no problem, it boots grub fine, there is a thing when both drives are plugged in |
| 17:55.37 | asterismo_l | there are 2 raid partitions |
| 17:55.45 | asterismo_l | one for / and one for swap |
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| 17:56.02 | asterismo_l | md0 and md1 with mdadm |
| 17:57.24 | sney | ok, and where is grub installed? /dev/md0 or the individual /dev/sdX disks? |
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| 17:57.50 | sney | though I think grub is supposed to have build-in md support. |
| 17:57.53 | asterismo_l | individual disks, grub prompts automatic, sda, sdb |
| 17:58.03 | asterismo_l | i installed grub in both sda and sdb |
| 17:58.15 | asterismo_l | this is during install, i choose sda |
| 17:58.54 | asterismo_l | the thing is when installing a new kernel, for example, it runs update-grub and that breaks it |
| 17:59.27 | asterismo_l | if i install the system in the raid, it boots fine, and i can reboot the system |
| 17:59.42 | asterismo_l | the thing is when debian runs updateqgrub |
| 17:59.50 | asterismo_l | update-grub* |
| 17:59.54 | asterismo_l | for some reason |
| 18:00.13 | asterismo_l | it complains about ELF magic and thows to a grub rescue |
| 18:00.50 | asterismo_l | these are not SATA drives, they are older IDE |
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| 18:00.57 | asterismo_l | 2x250GB |
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| 18:01.06 | asterismo_l | brand new, hitachi cinemastar |
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| 18:02.13 | asterismo_l | if i only could install debian but keeping wheezy's grub version |
| 18:02.20 | asterismo_l | this must be a bug in grub |
| 18:03.13 | sney | is one of the mdraid modules being loaded by grub? grep -R GRUB_PRELOAD_MODULES /etc/grub* |
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| 18:03.35 | sney | you should see mdraid09 or mdraid1x etc |
| 18:04.13 | klemax | is there a way to downgrade debian 9 to debian 8? |
| 18:04.19 | sney | klemax: no |
| 18:04.50 | asterismo_l | now i am in debian 7 |
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| 18:04.56 | ratrace | oof |
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| 18:05.11 | asterismo_l | what if that module is not listed, how do i add to grub? |
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| 18:05.31 | ficonni | Weird. It didn't actually do anything |
| 18:05.47 | jelly | asterismo_l: don't just update-grub. Run grub-install on both disks. |
| 18:06.00 | sney | set it in /etc/default/grub, GRUB_PRELOAD_MODULES="mdraid09 mdraid1x" |
| 18:06.13 | jelly | asterismo_l: if you still have that debian 10 installation around |
| 18:06.36 | asterismo_l | i will install it in a couple of hours, i'm running a backup |
| 18:06.47 | asterismo_l | painfully slow network backup... |
| 18:06.52 | asterismo_l | cries |
| 18:06.52 | klemax | sney: What is the general criterion for downgrade? |
| 18:06.57 | jelly | much better than no backup at all |
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| 18:07.22 | jelly | klemax: in general, debian does not support downgrades |
| 18:07.30 | asterismo_l | jelly, i did grub-install and no error is reported... so |
| 18:07.31 | sney | klemax: some individual packages can be downgraded manually, but there is no mechanism in debian for a full version downgrade. |
| 18:07.34 | asterismo_l | i'll try again |
| 18:07.51 | asterismo_l | is there anyway to run grub-install with a debug option? |
| 18:08.06 | jelly | asterismo_l: on both disks? grub-install /dev/sda and grub-install /dev/sdb if that's where they are? |
| 18:08.14 | sney | grub-install has -v for verbose |
| 18:08.23 | asterismo_l | and jelly should i run grub-install on sda/sdb or md0? |
| 18:08.31 | jelly | definitely not md0 |
| 18:08.36 | asterismo_l | ok |
| 18:08.49 | jelly | asterismo_l: can you pastebin your lsblk output? |
| 18:09.16 | ficonni | Guys mind helping me out ? I just added alsactl init to my rc.local file to try and fix my problem of the jack not working upon boot but no avail. The command works by itself when typed manually tho. |
| 18:09.42 | klemax | jelly sney: ok i got it, thanks |
| 18:10.07 | jelly | klemax: if you have a backup of debian 8, restore the whole system from that |
| 18:10.57 | klemax | jelly: yes i can do that, i have a backup |
| 18:11.28 | sney | !rc.local |
| 18:11.28 | dpkg | /etc/rc.local may be used to run simple commands at boot time. It exists by default in jessie or older; in stretch or newer you need to create it. Don't forget the <shebang> and be sure to chmod 755 it. rc.local is considered a hack, a stopgap, or a temporary band-aid; see <systemd> |
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| 18:12.18 | asterismo_l | jelly, https://paste.buzon.uy/?56de5f43aa2c1117#7AbbyW9Hz127tdZiVEigLBMi7LWCVkzMQZbfSHXQLnD7 |
| 18:12.28 | asterismo_l | sdb is currently unplugged |
| 18:12.36 | asterismo_l | so it is not listed |
| 18:14.17 | ficonni | dpkg: forgive my lack of sysadmin knowledge, does this shebang mean I need to put the #! the very beginning of the script ? |
| 18:14.17 | dpkg | Well, my lack of sysadmin knowledge, does this shebang mean I need to put the #! the very beginning of the script boy, I guess I could do that. But I believe forgiving is God's job, I'm just arranging the meeting. *blows my lack of sysadmin knowledge, does this shebang mean I need to put the #! the very beginning of the script head apart with .44 magnum* |
| 18:14.56 | jmcnaught | ficonni: dpkg is a bot |
| 18:15.07 | petn-randall | !shebang |
| 18:15.08 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, shebang is the "hash-bang" (#!) line at the start of a script that instructs the kernel which interpreter to use. Examples: "#!/bin/sh", "#!/usr/bin/perl -w". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shebang_(Unix) |
| 18:15.21 | petn-randall | ficonni: ^^^ |
| 18:15.30 | ficonni | well, that's another thing I learned today. |
| 18:15.53 | ficonni | petn-randall: just googled it miliseconds before posting here . Wondered why the response was so quick |
| 18:15.58 | jelly | asterismo_l: yeah, ok, you'd install boot loader directly onto /dev/sda (and /dev/sdb when it gets reconnected) |
| 18:16.29 | asterismo_l | i tried that in debian 10 and it conplains about ELF magic |
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| 18:16.41 | ficonni | petn-randall: should I just use #! or also #!/bin/sh ? |
| 18:16.47 | asterismo_l | the system is i386 as the CPUs are 32-bit only |
| 18:17.03 | asterismo_l | maybe some efi grub setting? |
| 18:17.04 | jelly | asterismo_l: I'd have to see the whole command and output |
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| 18:17.13 | asterismo_l | ok |
| 18:17.21 | asterismo_l | i'll try and paste in a while |
| 18:17.25 | jmcnaught | ficonni: I also recommend leaving some comments for your future self (lines starting with #) in the file about what (and why) it is doing. #!/bin/sh is what you want. |
| 18:17.28 | jelly | asterismo_l: your system does not _sound_ like it uses uefi booting? |
| 18:17.45 | asterismo_l | my system is from 2001 |
| 18:18.02 | jelly | asterismo_l: and that partition layout is missing the efiboot partition, so I assumed you used grub-pc not the EFI one |
| 18:18.03 | asterismo_l | it is a Dell Precision 530MT dual Xeon |
| 18:18.30 | asterismo_l | should i addan efi partition? |
| 18:18.34 | ficonni | jmcnaught: copy that. I know about commenting but didn't know about the shebang. WIll do , reboot and report. Already did chmod 755 to the file |
| 18:18.34 | jelly | no |
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| 18:18.56 | jelly | asterismo_l: your system does not have UEFI, so there's no need for that |
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| 18:19.01 | asterismo_l | ok |
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| 18:21.32 | ficonni | nope. still no avail |
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| 18:34.52 | L0aD1nG | hello, i have troubles with debian 10 installation on a new pc... Xorg wont run, here is the paste of /var/log/Xorg.0.log https://termbin.com/pkzcg |
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| 18:35.21 | L0aD1nG | s/installation/running graphics |
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| 18:37.12 | jmcnaught | L0aD1nG: how are you starting X? What GPU do you have? Have you already tried anything? |
| 18:38.56 | L0aD1nG | jmcnaught: i have intell graphics via the processor, i install xorg and dm and wm normally it would run automatically i did the same many times on other computers |
| 18:39.42 | L0aD1nG | jmcnaught: i installed just standar system utilities. And installing what i need from the console now |
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| 18:40.37 | jmcnaught | L0aD1nG: does "dmesg | grep -i firmware" report any missing firmware files? |
| 18:40.55 | L0aD1nG | let me check |
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| 18:41.50 | L0aD1nG | i get one line about bluetooth |
| 18:41.54 | L0aD1nG | thats all |
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| 18:42.13 | jmcnaught | Okay, some newer Intel graphics require firmware but that must not be it. |
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| 18:42.37 | L0aD1nG | The installtion process went great no errors at all |
| 18:43.07 | jmcnaught | L0aD1nG: is xserver-xorg-video-intel installed? |
| 18:43.12 | d3m0nm4dn3ss | Hey ya'll, I'm going to run Linux on my wii and right now I have a debian lenny install, anyways I need to connect to my wifi network but I can't use a keyboard while it's booted on the Wii. I'm in the root dir of it right now as I have the sdcard in my computer can I have some help in where I need to go/what I need to do to connect Linux on my wii to the internet. I have the wpa_supplicant.conf generated but it does not seem that it connected to |
| 18:43.12 | d3m0nm4dn3ss | the network |
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| 18:43.49 | Mrbuck | Hi any one know any software on debian that helps me draw for example I would be needing to draw things like trees,datastructures and so on |
| 18:44.05 | roycroft | gimp, inkscape |
| 18:44.08 | sney | dia |
| 18:44.22 | roycroft | that too :) |
| 18:44.28 | sney | libreoffice draw, even |
| 18:44.29 | roycroft | those three cover most simple drawing needs |
| 18:44.43 | Mrbuck | roycroft: sney Thank you I will check them |
| 18:44.48 | roycroft | openscad, freecad if you need to do any cad work |
| 18:44.54 | L0aD1nG | jmcnaught: yea dpkg found it |
| 18:45.01 | Mrbuck | The problem is I dont have mouse and it is hard to use libre draw |
| 18:45.02 | roycroft | but probably between gimp, inkscape, and dia you can do most simple things |
| 18:45.19 | roycroft | openscad is cli-based |
| 18:45.25 | roycroft | fwiw |
| 18:45.27 | sney | d3m0nm4dn3ss: what wifi adapter is it? you probably need firmware for the driver |
| 18:46.05 | Mrbuck | I just need a pencil and paper like tool which should be very comfortable |
| 18:46.25 | d3m0nm4dn3ss | sney, it's built into the wii and the wiidistro came with the driver I think |
| 18:46.28 | L0aD1nG | jmcnaught: the motherboard is : Asus TUF GAMING B460-PRO (Wifi) |
| 18:46.33 | Mrbuck | libradraw is very complicated |
| 18:47.26 | L0aD1nG | inxi will report that i use driver "vesa" if i am correct |
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| 18:47.57 | jmcnaught | L0aD1nG: your CPU is Intel Core 10th generation? |
| 18:48.04 | L0aD1nG | jmcnaught: yea |
| 18:48.25 | L0aD1nG | jmcnaught: intel i3 10100 |
| 18:48.29 | greycat | That sounds like a high number. Is it super new? |
| 18:48.35 | Mrbuck | I checkd gimp and inkspace they are for images and complicated too :( Anyway Thank you I will check sney also |
| 18:48.51 | jmcnaught | L0aD1nG: it came out this year right? About a year after Debian 10 unfortunately. |
| 18:49.04 | L0aD1nG | greycat: its the latest if i am not mistaken |
| 18:49.11 | greycat | Super new hardware may need unstable kernel/drivers/firmware. |
| 18:49.41 | greycat | !buster freeze |
| 18:49.41 | dpkg | Buster started the freeze process on 2019-01-12 see https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2018/04/msg00006.html or ask me about <freeze>, <slushy>. |
| 18:49.48 | L0aD1nG | so i should install unstable?? I mean not to search for a solution |
| 18:49.55 | greycat | If the hardware is newer than Jan 2019, then it may not work well in buster. |
| 18:50.04 | sney | I'm sure greycat means the backport kernel |
| 18:50.15 | L0aD1nG | i tried this so long http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=141915 |
| 18:50.22 | sney | !buster-backports |
| 18:50.23 | dpkg | Some packages intended for Bullseye (Debian 11) but recompiled for use with Buster (Debian 10) can be found in the buster-backports repository. See http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ . Ask me about <bdo>, <backports>. |
| 18:50.24 | greycat | Maybe, maybe not. The unstable support channel may know more. |
| 18:50.36 | L0aD1nG | and i booted and the it was flashing the loging all the time on the console |
| 18:50.37 | Mrbuck | sney: dia is what I needed |
| 18:50.40 | Mrbuck | thank you |
| 18:50.42 | greycat | You can *try* the backported kernel, plus whatever else you need, but it may be a LOT. |
| 18:50.55 | jmcnaught | A newer-than-buster GPU might need more than a newer kernel, such as newer mesa or xorg versions too. |
| 18:50.57 | sney | the 5.8 kernel in buster-backports is new enough to support most post-buster hardware |
| 18:51.07 | sney | Mrbuck: np |
| 18:51.34 | d3m0nm4dn3ss | looks like it's a Broadcom 4710? |
| 18:51.39 | d3m0nm4dn3ss | based on the kernel output |
| 18:52.14 | L0aD1nG | would you recommend a fresh install? or just edit sources.list and dist-upgrade? |
| 18:52.48 | greycat | upgrading *is* the recommended way to acquire an unstable system |
| 18:53.09 | greycat | insofar as such a thing can be said to be "recommended" at all |
| 18:53.20 | jmcnaught | I would consider testing instead of unstable, but #debian-next on irc.oftc.net would know more. |
| 18:53.31 | sney | this is required reading if you want to run testing or unstable: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable |
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| 18:53.41 | sney | however, I still think you should try the bpo kernel first. |
| 18:54.21 | L0aD1nG | so you conclude that its unable to run with stable right? |
| 18:54.29 | L0aD1nG | should i stop trials and search about it? |
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| 18:54.38 | greycat | !debian-next |
| 18:54.38 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also https://wiki.debian.org/IRC and https://wiki.debian.org/GettingHelpOnIrc |
| 18:54.50 | greycat | Those people may know more about your hardware and how well unstable (etc.) supports it. |
| 18:54.59 | sney | greycat: keep your pants on, they haven't even made a decision yet. |
| 18:55.34 | L0aD1nG | i will try the bpo kernel first. |
| 18:55.35 | sney | L0aD1nG: it sounds like the 4.19 kernel in buster isn't new enough for your video hardware, yes. but you can install the 5.8 kernel from buster-backports, which likely *does* support it. |
| 18:55.55 | L0aD1nG | sney: i am on it |
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| 19:01.44 | Franciman | Hi, a question. When ksoftirqd is consuming 100% of one of my cpus |
| 19:01.54 | Franciman | and I can't receive networking packets |
| 19:02.10 | Franciman | can this mean that all my packets are in ksoftirqd, and my network driver got stuck? |
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| 19:05.28 | L0aD1nG | it worked!! |
| 19:05.37 | L0aD1nG | thanks a lot guys! |
| 19:05.50 | greycat | Huh, that's surprising. I would've expected you to need more than just the kernel. |
| 19:08.15 | L0aD1nG | greycat: the xorg.conf file does normally exist on /usr/share/X11/xorg.config.d ? |
| 19:08.26 | greycat | No, there isn't an xorg.conf file by default. |
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| 19:09.17 | greycat | For the last 10 years or so, the recommended configuration is "let the X server figure it out automatically", and you only make xorg.conf.d snippets (which are in /etc/X11 not /usr/share) if you REALLY need them, for exotic hardware. |
| 19:09.18 | L0aD1nG | okay i installed "linux-image-amd64" and "linux-headers-amd64" it works great now |
| 19:10.04 | L0aD1nG | **from backports |
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| 19:10.56 | sney | yep, with new intel hardware usually the only thing you need is the more up-to-date kernel module, intel stuff plays nice with linux. |
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| 19:14.13 | L0aD1nG | well i must set up everything else now :) |
| 19:14.24 | L0aD1nG | maybe i will phase problems with sound?? |
| 19:14.26 | L0aD1nG | will see... |
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| 19:15.00 | L0aD1nG | i am telling that cause the motherboard is super new too |
| 19:15.17 | Franciman | another question, how can I see which parameters are passed to each module in the kernel? |
| 19:16.13 | sney | Franciman: that's set up in /etc/modprobe.d though most stuff will just be loaded with defaults. you can see what the defaults are with modinfo. |
| 19:16.56 | Franciman | thankx |
| 19:18.47 | sney | L0aD1nG: with that 5.8 kernel, all of your drivers are up to date as of Sept 2020. so unless it's *really* bleeding edge, I expect your devices to work |
| 19:19.34 | greycat | you may still need post-stable firmware |
| 19:20.49 | sney | yeah, and that's in buster-backports too |
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| 19:22.54 | L0aD1nG | this machine has windows too yesterday i installed the and "build" them as i wanted, i bought them its the official windows 10... |
| 19:23.32 | L0aD1nG | now one thing to mention is that windows runs with 2.7g after i set them up totally without start up apps |
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| 19:23.44 | L0aD1nG | i3 now on debian open with 230 MB |
| 19:24.02 | greycat | those aren't really meaningful numbers |
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| 19:24.26 | L0aD1nG | greycat: they use like 2.5 more just to run... |
| 19:24.35 | greycat | a more fair comparison would be *after* you've opened up whatever your main application set is (web browser, etc.) |
| 19:24.42 | L0aD1nG | i disabled every start up on windows and checked that |
| 19:25.06 | greycat | you're just making up a random thing that does not match any real life usage cases, and serves no useful scientific purpose |
| 19:25.20 | L0aD1nG | greycat: i had nothing opened and disabled every start up app on windows and telling you this number |
| 19:25.25 | greycat | again, this is useless |
| 19:25.36 | L0aD1nG | okay |
| 19:25.47 | greycat | windows is probably pre-loading a bunch of stuff that WILL be used once you open the web browser and stuff |
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| 19:32.38 | ratrace | can't really compare windows and i3 that has nowhere near all the services and functions that windows has |
| 19:32.58 | ratrace | try comparing gnome and windows, and you'd still give gnome unfair advantage |
| 19:33.39 | greycat | but if i3 + some apps fulfills all their needs, then it's a fair comparison for *them* |
| 19:34.48 | ratrace | no |
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| 19:36.09 | ratrace | that's like saying your needs are to go to the store, and you're comparing some small car with a big truck and say that the truck gulps so much more fuel, and needs time to warm up, fill up airbrake tanks, etc... |
| 19:36.31 | greycat | I see no problem with that statement. The car is a more suitable choice for this job. |
| 19:36.35 | ratrace | yea but that truck can pull ten of those cars on a trailer, and have different trailers, etc... |
| 19:37.23 | greycat | The truck is a far better choice for carrying tons of cargo to a distant factory. |
| 19:42.28 | ratrace | well sure, that's the idea |
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| 20:41.11 | asterismo_l | jelly, not a chance, i installed debian 10 and after reboot i get grub rescue |
| 20:41.29 | asterismo_l | it prompted me to choose install grub in sda or sdb and i choose sda |
| 20:42.56 | jelly | asterismo_l: can you not choose both sda and sdb? |
| 20:44.04 | jelly | that's what you're supposed to do with a raid1 setup, boot loader on both sda and sdb, so when one goes bad you still have a boot loader |
| 20:59.39 | SnakesAndStuff | If anyone is interested, the problem I had with bind/named and logfiles earlier I discovered was because of apparmor... Found it while browsing information in /var/lib/dpgk |
| 20:59.44 | def_jam | hey i can run a program succesfully using the exact same command as i do in crontab -e |
| 20:59.47 | SnakesAndStuff | and by default it wants log files in /var/log/named not /var/log/bind |
| 20:59.56 | def_jam | but with crontab ..it fails with bad gateway |
| 20:59.59 | SnakesAndStuff | What resource do I use to look up what restrictions apparmor places on various apps? |
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| 21:00.28 | greycat | crontab gives you a VERY bare environment. no terminal, no $TERM variable, none of the stuff you get from your dot files when you login, etc. |
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| 21:00.53 | SnakesAndStuff | https://wiki.debian.org/AppArmor/HowToUse I guess? |
| 21:02.55 | def_jam | hmmm |
| 21:04.34 | roycroft | that's a feature |
| 21:05.07 | roycroft | when running cron jobs, especially with elevated privileges, it's best to explicitly stipulate the full path name of any commands |
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| 21:05.46 | greycat | Disagree. It's better to set the PATH variable correctly. |
| 21:05.59 | greycat | Then if chmod moves from /bin to /usr/bin or whatever, it'll still work. |
| 21:06.06 | roycroft | that depends on the job, i suppose |
| 21:06.20 | roycroft | if it's a script that uses multiple command, sure |
| 21:06.30 | roycroft | if it's a one-liner then the full pathname i think is appropriate |
| 21:07.00 | greycat | crontab's environment should include a PATH with both /usr/bin and /bin in it, though |
| 21:07.12 | roycroft | the overall point is that no state information should be assumed |
| 21:07.16 | greycat | it's just the stuff outside of those that might be an issue (locally installed programs in /usr/local or /opt) |
| 21:07.22 | greycat | true enough |
| 21:07.51 | roycroft | and in modern debian, /bin is a symlink to /usr/bin |
| 21:08.03 | roycroft | and /sbin a symlink to /usr/sbin |
| 21:08.11 | greycat | Some people at work are using VNC sessions and wanted me to make them start at boot time. It turns out tightvnc server expects to see a $USER variable in the environment. Which is of course not standard in Linux.... |
| 21:08.24 | roycroft | so moving utilities from /bin to /usr/bin and vice versa is moot at this point :) |
| 21:09.01 | greycat | roycroft: only if you installed buster. If you upgraded to buster, this is not the case, unless you also installed the usrmerge(?) package. |
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| 21:18.50 | asterismo_l | i'm installing freebsd, thats it |
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| 22:30.43 | mason | roycroft: In modern Debian, whether you have usrmerge or not is contigent on how you install. Controllable via a debootstrap flag, for instance. |
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