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| 01:35.16 | alexrelis[m] | What is the best way to move an entire Debian install on a BIOS system to an empty hard drive on a UEFI system? |
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| 01:42.05 | sjd | Is rebuilding possible? Backup and restore could also be a possibility |
| 01:44.18 | sjd | Sometimes with things like that it's just easier to do a fresh install + reinstall/restore your configs from backup |
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| 01:45.59 | jmcnaught | alexrelis[m]: if the new UEFI system also supports legacy BIOS or CSM booting then you could start by taking an image of the old drive and copying it onto the new drive. Then once you have it booting in legacy BIOS mode you can think about converting to UEFI. |
| 01:47.00 | jmcnaught | alexrelis[m]: converting to UEFI would require booting from UEFI media such as a debian installer netinst ISO using the rescue boot option (under advanced) which can give you a shell in a chroot of the target system. |
| 01:49.08 | alexrelis[m] | jmcnaught: would the new drive have to have a MBR partition scheme? Or could I make it GPT from the beginning and still boot in legacy mode? |
| 01:49.28 | jmcnaught | alexrelis[m]: from there you would need to make room for an ESP (EFI System Partition) to be mounted at /boot/efi. Then you should be able to install grub-efi in the chroot. I would not attempt any of this without a backup of course. |
| 01:50.02 | jmcnaught | alexrelis[m]: I might be wrong but I think that you can have an ESP on an MBR formatted drive, but that is definitely something to check. |
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| 01:50.56 | jmcnaught | alexrelis[m]: maybe it makes more sense to partition the new drive with GPT, and instead of copying an image of the drive over, copying individual partitions. |
| 01:52.55 | jmcnaught | That way you don't have to shrink a partition to make room for /boot/efi |
| 01:53.14 | quadrathoch2 | alexisrelis[m] it is possible to have an esp on mbr, thatâs done so you can boot csm/uefi from the same disk. You would still need to install grub twice |
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| 01:57.49 | alexrelis[m] | jmcnaught: okay.. Now I'm going to ask something a little more complicated. My old SSD is non-lvm and encrypted / with LUKS 1. I want to make the new SSD lvm with encrypted / with LUKS 2. How could I do this? |
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| 02:04.51 | alexrelis[m] | On second thought, it's fine if I remain on LUKS 2. I read that GRUB on Debian stable can't read LUKS2 encryptied partitions yet. |
| 02:05.03 | jmcnaught | alexrelis[m]: well understand that my experience is limited with LUKS creation outside of debian-installer, but I would try this: partition new SSD with ext2 /boot, FAT32 /boot/efi, and the rest for encrypted volume. Possibly leave 10% unallocated as over-provisioning⦠|
| 02:05.13 | jmcnaught | alexrelis[m]: that's the reason for separate /boot |
| 02:07.44 | jmcnaught | alexrelis[m]: you would use "cryptsetup luksFormat <device>" to make the encrypted volume, then "pvcreate /dev/mapper/????_crypt", then "vgcreate <volume group name> /dev/mapper/????_crypt" to make your volume group. |
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| 02:08.47 | jmcnaught | alexrelis[m]: then you could use the lvcreate command to make individual volumes for rootfs, swap, home (to match the partitions on the old drive), then copy the old drive's partitions to those LVM volumes |
| 02:10.46 | jmcnaught | update /etc/fstab to reflect the changes, then reboot into d-i's rescue chroot shell, install grub-efi, run update-initramfs -u |
| 02:11.05 | jmcnaught | alexrelis[m]: if that does not work then at least you still have the old drive and its backup! |
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| 02:12.52 | jmcnaught | overall it might be simpler to do a fresh install on the new SSD, let d-i guided partitioning set up LUKS 2 and LVM for you, then reinstall packages and copy your files from /home and /etc from the backup |
| 02:13.03 | alexrelis[m] | jmcnaught: thank you so much. |
| 02:15.53 | jmcnaught | alexrelis[m]: I did something similar but much simpler this week. I migrated my buster UEFI LVM non-LUKS from one SSD to another. For that I created /boot and /boot/efi on the new drive, copied the files over, updated /etc/fstab, rebooted into a d-i rescue chroot to run update-grub, and deleted the old /boot and /boot/efi. |
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| 02:17.02 | jmcnaught | alexrelis[m]: after I confirmed that booting worked I added the rest of the new SSD to my LVM volume group and used "pvmove /dev/oldSSD /dev/newSSD" to move all the logical volumes. Then I removed the old SSD from the volume group, and I was done. |
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| 02:30.23 | alexrelis[m] | jmcnaught: cool! I'm fine with copying partitions and reinstalling grub, but my head starts to hurt once I have to deal with LVM and encrypted boot all at the same time haha. |
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| 02:34.54 | jmcnaught | alexrelis[m]: yeah it is a lot of layers to think about all at once. I only bother with encryption on my laptop since it is portable, and I just go with what the debian installer sets up for me. |
| 02:36.01 | jmcnaught | alexrelis[m]: good luck, I hope you get it working. |
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| 02:51.15 | scrulO0se | Okay, I *know* I've seen apt offer a merge option for config file conflicts... but it doesn't offer it on my current Bullseye laptop and I can't seem to find any reference anywhere that tells me how to enable this. What am I missing? |
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| 04:53.29 | sgo11 | Hi, I am using virt-manager for virtual machines. But I don't use VM all the time. Actually I rarely use them. But I found out the background services are auto started at boot. How can I completely disable all VM related services at boot? I'd rather enable them on demand when I use them. So far I think I can `systemctl disable libvirt-guests` and `systemctl disable libvirtd`. what else? Thanks a lot. |
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| 04:55.05 | jmcnaught | sgo11: libvirt-guests is a service that runs at shutdown to stop any guests that are still running, it is not persistent so you might as well enable that one again. |
| 04:55.28 | petn-randall | sgo11: IMHO there's not much benefit of disabling them. If you don't use them, they'll idle and the memory will be swapped out. |
| 04:56.53 | jmcnaught | sgo11: "systemctl status libvirtd.service" here reports only 59.8 MB of memory used. I agree with pétn-randall. |
| 04:56.53 | t3st3r | maybe that's why I use just plain qemu from command line: brings no enterprise grade "goodies" on my head |
| 05:01.11 | sgo11 | Thank you all for the replies. I am running a persistent live system on an external USB drive. That's why I think I should disable anything which are not requried to speed up the system. Do you still suggest those services running in a live system on external USB drive? Thanks. |
| 05:01.59 | sgo11 | I even plan to execute `virsh net-destroy default`. Not sure how much resources that virtual netowrk will use on startup and running system. |
| 05:04.47 | jmcnaught | sgo11: after running "virsh net-start default" libvirtd.service is now using 61.7MB of memory (from 59.8MB before)⦠unless your machine is memory starved I would not worry about micro-managing services and just let the kernel handle things. |
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| 05:07.18 | sgo11 | jmcnaught: so all these services will only use memory in general. Won't they make any overhead on CPU? (Sorry that I am not sure if my English makes sense or not.) Cheers. |
| 05:08.51 | jmcnaught | sgo11: libvirtd does not constantly consume CPU while it is idle. Libvirtd does not consume very much CPU when a virtual machine is running either, the qemu process is what uses the CPU. |
| 05:09.38 | sgo11 | jmcnaught: got it. Thanks a lot. :) |
| 05:10.36 | jmcnaught | sgo11: run the "top" command, and sort by CPU usage by pressing capital P, q to quit. While top is running you can see which programs are using CPU. |
| 05:11.35 | sgo11 | jmcnaught: yeah, I was just afraid it would use CPU when I don't pay attention sometimes randomly. :) I am just too suspicious |
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| 05:15.13 | jmcnaught | sgo11: when libvirtd is running the default network (or similar ones) it is just running an instance or two of dnsmasq which is very tiny. dnsmasq is the DHCP server and DNS forwarder in a lot of Linux based consumer routers, even old ones with 4MB of RAM. Your computer can probably handle it running all the time if it is capable of running virtual machines. |
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| 05:47.35 | brachamh | longest uptime yet for my home server: 24 days, 15 hours. just an old desktop with non-ecc ram, etc, so i'm impressed. just today started having some usb device errors which seem to show that the usb controller is having trouble. going to reboot to see if it is the extended uptime that's causing issues. |
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| 05:54.59 | brachamh | hmm...still issues. gonna see if i remember how to pastebin the errors |
| 05:58.44 | n4dir | brachamh: the most easy to remember way is to open a web-browser, go to paste.debian.net, and do it with copy&past |
| 05:59.01 | n4dir | there is the package: pastebinit ; which seems to be broken every other day. |
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| 05:59.40 | n4dir | else it usually worth a try. |
| 05:59.43 | brachamh | n4dir, thanks i realize that...this is a non-DE server |
| 06:00.09 | n4dir | ah, right, sorry. then pastebinit or ... give me a second, i use pastebinit. |
| 06:00.16 | jmcnaught | !termbin |
| 06:00.16 | dpkg | you can paste to termbin.com from terminal via: cat /path/to/file | nc termbin.com 9999 |
| 06:01.11 | n4dir | jmcnaught: you should have stopped me before starting to search. :-) thanks |
| 06:01.19 | brachamh | jmcnaught, thanks. i'll get there shortly. got about five things on the go at once here lol |
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| 06:02.38 | jmcnaught | The command in the !termbin factoid does not need cat, it can be done with "nc termbin.com 9999 < /path/to/file" but I suppose it does demonstrate piping. |
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| 06:46.12 | brachamh | apparently i have more issues...docker seems to continually be trying to pull images for some reason. it was all working properly. |
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| 07:10.34 | brachamh | https://paste.debian.net/1174771 |
| 07:10.52 | brachamh | why does my log show today's date, then yesterday's, then today's again? |
| 07:13.56 | nkuttler | that's a lot of line.. |
| 07:14.00 | nkuttler | lines |
| 07:15.06 | jelly | brachamh: because the system clock was running 6 hours in the future before timesyncd stepped it back |
| 07:16.12 | jelly | brachamh: if you're only running linux, set the bios clock to UTC time |
| 07:16.49 | brachamh | i hadn't noticed that issue before, so that's kinda weird. |
| 07:17.25 | jelly | the issue only happens after reboot until systemd-timesyncd runs |
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| 07:20.53 | brachamh | well, i just set the bios clock...also having usb errors |
| 07:21.09 | brachamh | is that a sign my mainboard is failing? |
| 07:24.12 | jelly | it is more likely you have a quirky usb device, like a cheap printer, than a mainboard issue |
| 07:24.26 | brachamh | i haven't changed a thing |
| 07:25.48 | jelly | and those usb errors might have been happening before, have you read these logs before last boot? |
| 07:26.29 | brachamh | i haven't checked the logs for a while, but the errors were showing up on the terminal screen as they happened before i rebooted |
| 07:26.49 | jelly | you can probably ignore those since the printer seems to manage to connect after a try or three |
| 07:27.17 | brachamh | just today. was on that same system for a while yesterday as well and no errors. you figure it is the printer? |
| 07:28.58 | jelly | maybe, I'm not sure whether usb 5-7: [...] and usblp 5-4:1.1: usblp1 [...] are the same physical usb connection |
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| 07:30.17 | jelly | but if everything works, ignore it. Or connect the printer to a different port, reboot again and see if both the errors and the printer usb numbers change in dmesg log |
| 07:31.04 | brachamh | mainboard ethernet is pci, right? |
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| 07:32.22 | brachamh | rebooted again, printer is off. still usb errors showing up |
| 07:32.59 | jelly | got something else connected to usb? |
| 07:33.06 | brachamh | just my keyboard |
| 07:33.38 | brachamh | just switched it now. i'm tired lol |
| 07:33.51 | brachamh | it has been working just fine though |
| 07:34.03 | jelly | see if the errors happen if it's unplugged during boot |
| 07:34.24 | brachamh | the keyboard? ok. |
| 07:34.53 | brachamh | and just for good measure i unplugged the printer as well, even though it's shut down |
| 07:35.26 | brachamh | i have noticed tonight that the network seems to be taking longer to come up |
| 07:35.47 | brachamh | nothing external usb connected, still showing usb errors |
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| 07:36.11 | brachamh | pretty sure this thing doesn't even have internal usb ports |
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| 07:45.10 | brachamh | [ 112.984596] usb 4-1: device descriptor read/64, error -110. [ 128.599785] usb 4-1: device descriptor read/64, error -110. [ 139.939544] usb 4-1: device not accepting address 4, error -110. [ 150.691429] usb 4-1: device not accepting address 5, error -110. [ 150.691521] usb usb4-port1: unable to enumerate USB device |
| 07:45.35 | brachamh | those are the errors. yes i just typed them out. the periods are the end of each line |
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| 07:49.44 | epitamizor | the system may interpret certain block devices based on the type, even if they are created wrong |
| 07:50.12 | brachamh | sorry, i don't understand...what do you mean by that? |
| 07:50.16 | epitamizor | on somme distro's i boot up it thinks i have a typewriter |
| 07:51.16 | brachamh | haha! this isn't a new install...it's been working with no errors for a few months now |
| 07:52.56 | jelly | brachamh: ah see, now it's usb 4-1, before it was usb 5-7 |
| 07:53.38 | brachamh | i have both the printer and the keyboard plugged into their original ports |
| 07:53.49 | jelly | brachamh: that's... weird, then :-) |
| 07:54.46 | epitamizor | as long as the port is working for mouse/printer etc. it seems to be software bug or false positive |
| 07:55.16 | brachamh | yeah. i gotta get this docker issue figured out though for now...i use my containers daily, but i can't have docker continually attempting to pull images |
| 07:55.38 | brachamh | epitamizor, ok. still weird. |
| 07:57.17 | epitamizor | brachamh, its probably some resource contention or readiness issue, as that only occurs during boot, so the resource may generate that until it gets initialized |
| 07:59.17 | brachamh | epitamizor: no there were same/similar usb errors showing up while i was using the system earlier. it had been up for 24 days at that point. |
| 08:00.20 | brachamh | hadn't had any errors until today. |
| 08:01.11 | epitamizor | was any usb device removed or plugged in? |
| 08:01.28 | brachamh | nope. home server, nothing has changed for months |
| 08:01.49 | brachamh | only reason it had been rebooted 24 days ago is the power flashed lol |
| 08:02.09 | epitamizor | lol that will definitely screw up systems |
| 08:02.19 | jelly | brachamh: honestly I see errors like these regularly on my desktops, with usb sound cards, usb hubs on monitors |
| 08:02.25 | epitamizor | probably fried some components |
| 08:03.09 | brachamh | well, not sure it was a flash...it was an abnormality. so an issue showed up 24 days later? |
| 08:03.18 | jelly | brachamh: if all the usb ports still appear to work, ignore it. You might want to see if USB3 devices still work with usb3 speeds. Neither a keyboard nor a printer will exercise that. |
| 08:03.28 | epitamizor | jelly, errors are indicators of issues and that is cause for concern |
| 08:03.33 | brachamh | hah! |
| 08:03.40 | brachamh | i think i figured it all out |
| 08:03.54 | brachamh | i simply did a full shutdown instead of a reboot. |
| 08:04.18 | brachamh | the network card connected immediately like i'm used to, and so far no usb errors |
| 08:04.40 | jelly | epitamizor: any yet, many usb devices are quirky and linux kernels expose all sorts of transient crap |
| 08:05.19 | brachamh | jelly, i don't think this thing has usb3. it's about ten years old. |
| 08:05.36 | brachamh | and yes, after the shutdown and restart, no errors |
| 08:05.47 | epitamizor | until 24days... |
| 08:06.18 | brachamh | i'd rebooted nearly ten times in the last hour or two, and the errors persisted |
| 08:07.01 | brachamh | if i have to shut down this old thing every three weeks or so to "clear" it, that's not bad at all, IMO. it's just an old desktop with non-ecc ram, etc |
| 08:08.06 | jelly | brachamh: can you pastebin just dmesg from last reboot, without other messages? |
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| 08:10.05 | jelly | journalctl -kb, or dmesg if it still has everything, or /var/log/kern.log from the last Linux version ... line to the end |
| 08:10.57 | brachamh | would this be right? https://paste.debian.net/1174773 |
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| 08:12.16 | jelly | yes |
| 08:12.55 | brachamh | cool, never done that before but guessed and got it right lol |
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| 08:14.54 | brachamh | looks good now, eh? |
| 08:15.23 | jelly | brachamh: there's also a "USB2.0-CRW" device, google suggests it might be an (internal?) sd card reader |
| 08:17.06 | brachamh | oh, that's right, there is an sd card reader. never used it though. honestly didn't realize it was plugged in...this thing has a whole bunch of usb ports on the top and front of the case, and i don't think the board supports all of them, IIRC |
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| 08:18.46 | jelly | brachamh: no errors this boot, but they might happen later. what does "lsusb" say right now? |
| 08:19.28 | brachamh | http://paste.debian.net/1174775 |
| 08:20.18 | brachamh | oh yeah, device 4 is the card reader |
| 08:20.25 | kristijonas | Hello, could someone help me configure DNS over TLS (DoT) on current stable? kind of got confused with all these systemd-resolved, unbound and knot configuration. |
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| 08:24.10 | quadrathoch2 | kristijonas are you using networkmanager? or systemd-networkd? |
| 08:25.07 | brachamh | jelly, thanks for your help! now i just need to figure out that docker issue. tomorrow though. i think i'm heading to bed. 2.30am is late enough lol |
| 08:27.32 | kristijonas | quadrathoch2, probably networkmanager, https://paste.debian.net/1174776/ coz systemd-networkd is inactive |
| 08:29.46 | quadrathoch2 | kristijonas could you post your /etc/systemd/resolved.conf? |
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| 08:32.36 | kristijonas | quadrathoch2, https://paste.debian.net/1174777/ |
| 08:34.53 | quadrathoch2 | kristijonas this is what an example file looks like https://paste.debian.net/1174778/ for dot |
| 08:35.50 | kristijonas | quadrathoch2, so you recommend using systemd-resolved, right? |
| 08:36.12 | quadrathoch2 | kristijonas you are just sending stuff from networkmanager to resolved |
| 08:36.17 | quadrathoch2 | (dns) |
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| 08:37.33 | kristijonas | quadrathoch2, should I get rid of unbound? I installed it, as well as knot, but didn't manage to properly configure those. |
| 08:38.20 | quadrathoch2 | kristijonas I would just use the things which come by default. but you can use the others if you want. but no idea how to set those up (i'm pretty sure unbound is a full dns server, so not the right tool for a client) |
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| 08:40.26 | Jmabsd | Does KVM work out of the box on Power9 architecture? |
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| 08:42.13 | quadrathoch2 | ,v qemu-kvm |
| 08:42.14 | judd | Package: qemu-kvm on amd64 -- jessie: 1:2.1+dfsg-12+deb8u6; jessie-security: 1:2.1+dfsg-12+deb8u15; stretch: 1:2.8+dfsg-6+deb9u9; stretch-proposed-updates: 1:2.8+dfsg-6+deb9u9; stretch-security: 1:2.8+dfsg-6+deb9u9; buster: 1:3.1+dfsg-8+deb10u8; buster-security: 1:3.1+dfsg-8+deb10u8 |
| 08:42.35 | jelly | Jmabsd: dunno, but there's a literal #powerkvm channel here on freenode |
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| 08:42.43 | quadrathoch2 | Jmabsd doesn't sound like it does, as qemu-kvm isn't build for power9 |
| 08:43.02 | jelly | ,v qemu-kvm --arch ppc64el |
| 08:43.03 | judd | No package named 'qemu-kvm' was found in ppc64el. |
| 08:43.35 | jelly | that will kill the "out of the box" requirement pretty decisively |
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| 08:44.40 | kristijonas | quadrathoch2, alright, I will give it a try! but I'll have to re-enable the systemd-resolved, right after editing the config file, right? |
| 08:45.02 | quadrathoch2 | kristijonas reenable? did you disable it? |
| 08:46.26 | kristijonas | https://paste.debian.net/1174776/ inactive (dead), i thought systemd-resolved is disabled by default in current stable, isn't it? |
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| 08:46.45 | Jmabsd | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:47.27 | jelly | Jmabsd: <quadrathoch2> Jmabsd doesn't sound like it does, as qemu-kvm isn't build for power9 <judd> No package named 'qemu-kvm' was found in ppc64el. <jelly> that will kill the "out of the box" requirement pretty decisively |
| 08:47.48 | Jmabsd | Weird |
| 08:47.56 | Jmabsd | jelly,quadrathoch2: so weird - for RHEL they have it |
| 08:48.00 | quadrathoch2 | kristijonas oO systemd-resolved is used as default since 16.10 or something like that |
| 08:48.04 | Jmabsd | Debian should def have this, why would only RHEL do ???? |
| 08:48.16 | quadrathoch2 | Jmabsd because they earn money with it |
| 08:48.18 | jelly | Jmabsd: it's not weird at all, RHEL has enterprise customers |
| 08:48.36 | jelly | quadrathoch2: 16.10 is not a Debian :-) |
| 08:48.46 | quadrathoch2 | argh, you are right, doh |
| 08:49.03 | quadrathoch2 | i thought i was in #ubuntu |
| 08:49.27 | jelly | np |
| 08:49.34 | arahael | sprinkles some holy water over the room, especially in the direction of quadrathoch2. |
| 08:49.42 | genr8_ | bah. major security patch on libproxy1v5 for buffer overflow, 2 CVEs. (almost everything auto-uses that lib too) |
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| 08:49.48 | kristijonas | quadrathoch2, haha, ok, that's fine. |
| 08:50.02 | jelly | arahael: Ubuntu is not a curse word! |
| 08:50.09 | quadrathoch2 | kristijonas yep then you would need to enable it xD |
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| 08:50.23 | arahael | jelly: Heh, but confusing it with debian is almost one! ;) |
| 08:51.02 | jelly | kristijonas: honestly I'd trust unbound more than resolved, but if you have resolved by default you might as well try and see if it works for you |
| 08:51.20 | jelly | has never done DoT with either, it's just a gut feeling |
| 08:51.51 | quadrathoch2 | jelly, as I never used unbound, _shrug_ |
| 08:52.05 | quadrathoch2 | but isn't unbound a full fledged dns server? not a client? |
| 08:52.16 | Jmabsd | quadrathoch2: do you believe KVM-QEMU for Power9 can be built and made to work easy? |
| 08:52.33 | quadrathoch2 | Jmabsd idk, as I never had a power9 machine |
| 08:52.57 | jelly | quadrathoch2: it's a recursor server. |
| 08:53.44 | kristijonas | jelly, yea, i believe unbound and or knot would be something more secure. but i'll first try with systemd-resolved, once I figure how to enable it |
| 08:53.45 | jelly | I think debian packaging has integration with resolvconf and adds nameserver 127.0.0.1 to /etc/resolv.conf |
| 08:53.45 | quadrathoch2 | Jmabsd as suse also has a version, I guess you could look into both buildconfigs and figure something out |
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| 08:54.02 | Jmabsd | quadrathoch2: oh there's a #debianppc channel, great |
| 08:54.43 | jelly | Jmabsd: but be patient with small channels, it may take days to get an answer |
| 08:55.46 | Jmabsd | quadrathoch2: "Works fine as a KVM host via virt-manager (tested with Debian 10 as the guest)." https://wiki.raptorcs.com/wiki/Operating_System_Compatibility_List hm! |
| 08:57.52 | jelly | that doesn't say which distor they used as host |
| 08:58.02 | quadrathoch2 | Jmabsd so it sounds like it should be reletively easy to get it compiled, i assume so, as redhat+suse are working on it and earn money with it. |
| 08:58.13 | quadrathoch2 | jelly which he was looking for? |
| 08:58.16 | Jmabsd | interesting. |
| 08:58.27 | Jmabsd | "Works fine as a KVM host via virt-manager (tested with Debian 10 as the guest)." https://wiki.raptorcs.com/wiki/Operating_System_Compatibility_List |
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| 08:58.58 | genr8_ | hm! |
| 08:58.59 | quadrathoch2 | yeah I even looked at debian9, but it isn't even compiled there, so he did it himself |
| 09:00.36 | jelly | quick, send me a talos 2 machine and I promise to make it work ;-) |
| 09:00.45 | quadrathoch2 | lol |
| 09:01.47 | quadrathoch2 | ugh, damn I wish they were cheaper :( |
| 09:02.40 | quadrathoch2 | but on the other hand I wish for more risc-v. sadly power10 won't be ready for a while :/ |
| 09:03.03 | jelly | ooh, a new hifive https://www.crowdsupply.com/sifive/hifive-unmatched |
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| 09:03.47 | genr8_ | they should make a hive-fi |
| 09:04.34 | jelly | and it's not $2000 for the board + $3000 for pcie |
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| 09:08.53 | jelly | quadrathoch2: $665 for an 8GB risc-v with m.2 and pcie isn't bad at all |
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| 09:09.05 | Jmabsd | quadrathoch2: i hope he will make a writeup online |
| 09:09.12 | quadrathoch2 | jelly yep, question is, how is the software side |
| 09:09.19 | Jmabsd | quadrathoch2: for a side note, curiously Debian is slower on Power9 than Ubunutu and some others, https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=power9-linux-distros&num=3 |
| 09:09.23 | Jmabsd | wonder what it could be due to, |
| 09:11.23 | quadrathoch2 | imho, it's not far off, I guess canonical has some patches + newer software (as buster is older than 18.10) |
| 09:13.38 | jelly | quadrathoch2: you're still buying it to _write_ the software side yourself |
| 09:14.00 | jelly | it's for devs primarily |
| 09:14.19 | quadrathoch2 | jelly yes, which I am not :/ |
| 09:14.45 | quadrathoch2 | (as in I am not a dev, as I tried it, but honestly, it's not what I enjoy, that's why I moved on) |
| 09:14.46 | jelly | me neither but I don't consider filing bugs and fixing a bug or two being a "dev" |
| 09:15.06 | quadrathoch2 | me neither |
| 09:16.46 | genr8_ | i do |
| 09:17.12 | genr8_ | we have to stop the elitism. the alternative is everyone using ipads. |
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| 09:18.32 | genr8_ | we're losing people https://catfox.life/2020/11/18/libre-software-and-moral-absolutism/ |
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| 09:21.48 | Jmabsd | jelly: :)) |
| 09:22.01 | Jmabsd | quadrathoch2: what will be new in power10? |
| 09:22.06 | shtrb | does irclog flush once a day ? |
| 09:22.24 | Jmabsd | jelly: wait, what RISCV is there???? URL?? |
| 09:22.32 | quadrathoch2 | if you believe raptor, sounds like there are some firmware issues |
| 09:22.35 | Jmabsd | ooo |
| 09:22.59 | quadrathoch2 | which is kinda interesting, as power9 doesn't even have firmware |
| 09:23.07 | quadrathoch2 | (inside the cpu) |
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| 09:24.27 | Jmabsd | wooow so cool the RiscV |
| 09:24.56 | epitamizor | zoom zoom? |
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| 09:31.28 | jelly | a little bird tells me that their previous board wasn't that much zoom zoom |
| 09:32.17 | jelly | (and that same performance in similarly open arm could be found for 1/10 the price of risc-v) |
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| 09:37.31 | shtrb | Anyone have a saner approach of managing configs than git for /etc and few other config files dir ? |
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| 09:40.37 | epitamizor | git is a content revision program |
| 09:40.48 | shtrb | I know :) |
| 09:41.13 | genr8_ | whats wrong with git |
| 09:41.22 | epitamizor | user error maybe? |
| 09:41.28 | shtrb | genr8_, maybe I'm using a canon to kill a fly each time |
| 09:42.03 | shtrb | I'm using git, but I took git in the first place because I'm custom to git , and maybe it was the wrong tool |
| 09:42.33 | epitamizor | you still havent said anything specific on why its not adequate |
| 09:43.24 | shtrb | I'm asking if there are better tools than that and better approached, It's good for me , but maybe there are better tools which i'm not aware of that solve problems I just take for granted |
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| 09:48.28 | Jmabsd | jelly: agreed 667USD is fine |
| 09:48.34 | Jmabsd | jelly: Linux works on it apparently |
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| 09:49.29 | Jmabsd | jelly: whose board wasn't "that much zoom zoom"? |
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| 09:54.13 | jelly | Jmabsd: previous hifive board |
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| 09:55.11 | Jmabsd | ah |
| 09:55.17 | Jmabsd | jelly: you mean it wasn't so exciting??? |
| 09:55.20 | Jmabsd | or didn't work so well? |
| 09:55.43 | jelly | Jmabsd: it was slow. |
| 09:55.47 | Jmabsd | a |
| 09:55.48 | Jmabsd | ah |
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| 09:55.57 | Jmabsd | jelly: should the new one be faster??? |
| 09:56.07 | Jmabsd | anyhow 28nm is not so fast, but i'm sure they speed it up over time |
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| 09:57.07 | Jmabsd | brb |
| 09:57.17 | jelly | a) is price/performance better b) is it better than, say, comparably open boards on different architectures? Dunno |
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| 10:01.42 | Jmabsd | jelly: back |
| 10:02.41 | jelly | a) is price/performance better b) is it comparable or better than similarly open boards on different architectures? Dunno |
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| 10:08.11 | Jmabsd | mhm |
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| 10:16.24 | jelly | > You should not buy one and expect it to compare favourably with x86 or a Raptor system. [...] On the other hand, there's a good chance this will be another truly open system |
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| 12:14.24 | Iolen | âââââââââââââââââââ Everyone invited to new chat place at: http://iaaaaa.mywebcommunity.org/ |
| 12:14.25 | Iolen | Thank You for attention ! âââââââââââââââââââ |
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| 12:30.35 | genr8_ | yea. picoPSU |
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| 12:37.08 | Deyaa | I want to configure vsftp to allow anonymous upload |
| 12:37.30 | Deyaa | I tried all the tutorials end up with nothing |
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| 12:42.24 | ratrace | Deyaa: I thought it was set up for that out of the box |
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| 12:43.56 | ratrace | it's literally just anonymous_enable=YES, setting anon_root and some tuning if required. |
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| 12:54.25 | genr8_ | i would suggest not doing that. Its not 1997 |
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| 12:56.13 | genr8_ | permissions |
| 12:56.56 | timwis | Hey all, I'm running a third party script that runs apt-get install. Is there a way to make those --quiet without modifying the script? E.g. by env var or `set` command of some sort? |
| 12:58.48 | genr8_ | redirect to > /dev/null ? |
| 12:59.04 | ratrace | Deyaa: pastebin your vsftpd.conf please |
| 12:59.32 | timwis | genr8_: Hm, I was hoping for the basic output that you get from `--quiet`. That would at least surface errors, though, right? |
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| 13:01.53 | Curio | fucch |
| 13:01.53 | Remy | hehe |
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| 13:02.41 | genr8_ | i assume so. there could be some APT:: config option but idk what it is, Binary::apt::APT::Quiet or something idk |
| 13:03.00 | ratrace | what? I see "msg nickserv identify *********" |
| 13:03.16 | ratrace | your passwords are starred to us. Look, mine: ******* |
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| 13:05.13 | os_ | Curio, i typed my root password one day on an irc channel (and upgraded my system also) |
| 13:05.17 | Deyaa | ratrace: brute force gonna be easy |
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| 13:05.55 | ratrace | Deyaa: what? |
| 13:05.59 | mzajc | is there a way to force an executable to launch with additional environment variables in a clean way? I'm currently facing issues where I have to set QT_QUICK_BACKEND to 'software' to fix issues with some kde programs on nvidia drivers, while some other programs require the same variable to be set to 'hardware'. I'm currently using the unclean approach of replacing the executable with a shellscript that adds the variables and then launches the actual |
| 13:06.01 | mzajc | executable, which is located somewhere else, but that hinders updates |
| 13:06.20 | Deyaa | 3:01 PM <Curio> msg nickserv identify Ninja250R |
| 13:06.36 | ratrace | Deyaa: but where's your pastebin? |
| 13:07.49 | Deyaa | It's been two days now I couldn't set-up this ftp server |
| 13:07.53 | ratrace | mzajc: no there's no generic way, it depends on the launching process and what it cando |
| 13:08.02 | ratrace | Deyaa: but where's your pastebin? |
| 13:08.19 | genr8_ | paste your bin m8 |
| 13:09.09 | Deyaa | Ive just reinstalled the server |
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| 13:09.32 | genr8_ | goodbye cruel world |
| 13:09.34 | ratrace | well good luck with that then. I've got better things to do than ask you four times to paste your config. |
| 13:09.46 | Deyaa | https://youtu.be/2Str_VfH9lY |
| 13:09.52 | mzajc | ratrace: that's a shame. would you happen to know where plasmashell is launched in kde? |
| 13:09.59 | Deyaa | ratrace: I'm using this config |
| 13:10.26 | ratrace | mzajc: probably by the DM? |
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| 13:11.06 | ratrace | mzajc: also, if those programs have .desktop launchers, you can set ENV vars that way too I think.... lemmesee |
| 13:11.24 | ratrace | Yup, you can prepend env to the Exec line |
| 13:11.26 | mzajc | yes, you can, but I don't think plasmashell does |
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| 13:11.43 | genr8_ | plosma |
| 13:11.48 | ratrace | mzajc: so you need env specifically for the entire shell itself but not for its children processes? |
| 13:11.58 | mzajc | yes, precisely |
| 13:12.14 | mzajc | although I don't think processes are launched as children of plasmashell on kde |
| 13:12.55 | genr8_ | i have a great idea. fork and recompile. ez........ |
| 13:12.57 | mzajc | specifically systemsettings5 has issues when QT_QUICK_BACKEND is set to hardware. it does have a desktop file, but that desktop file isn't used then you launch it indirectly, eg. from an applet |
| 13:13.13 | ratrace | there should be a definition of how the shell is started by the DM somewhere in /etc , and there you cna prepent the env command with your vars, to the exec line |
| 13:13.17 | mzajc | genr8_: I would, but again, I'm trying to not hinder updates here |
| 13:13.34 | mzajc | let's see about /etc.. |
| 13:13.46 | ratrace | ah wait... /usr/share/xsessions/ and it's maybe a .desktop launcher? |
| 13:14.18 | mzajc | yes, that's a lot closer! |
| 13:14.25 | mzajc | the executable is /usr/bin/startplasma-x11 |
| 13:16.41 | ratrace | mzajc: is there a .desktop for it in /usr/share/sessions ? |
| 13:16.48 | mzajc | yes, there is |
| 13:16.50 | mzajc | plasma.desktop |
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| 13:17.11 | ratrace | so you can alter its Exec= line and add something like env QT_QUCK_BACKEND=foo <previous contents of Exec here> ? |
| 13:17.19 | ratrace | sans teh typos 'fcourse |
| 13:17.48 | mzajc | yes, I'm doing that currently |
| 13:17.54 | mzajc | let's see if it's actually done anything |
| 13:18.18 | ratrace | right so next step is figure out how to override the (default) launcher through ~/ so it's not clobbered on each update |
| 13:18.34 | ratrace | that's too deep into desktop savvy territory for me tho :) |
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| 13:23.13 | mzajc | nope, no go. x did absolutely not like me changing the Exec value |
| 13:23.31 | mzajc | had to jump into a vt to fix it |
| 13:24.41 | ratrace | how did you change it exactly? and it's not X that cares about it, but the DM |
| 13:25.13 | genr8_ | ratrace, why do you want the "env" |
| 13:26.08 | ratrace | genr8_: ? |
| 13:26.24 | mzajc | actually, I skipped the env because I thought it wasn't required, since it works on regular desktop files |
| 13:26.31 | mzajc | let me try it with env real quick |
| 13:26.33 | genr8_ | thats what im asking |
| 13:26.36 | genr8_ | the env command, why |
| 13:26.38 | ratrace | no I don't think that Exec is a shell context |
| 13:26.47 | ratrace | genr8_: because I don't think Exec is a shell context |
| 13:27.17 | mzajc | it sure is from plasma's perspective, but I guess that it might not be from DM's |
| 13:27.46 | ratrace | running things like `FOO=bar somecommand ` is a shell construct specifically. otherwies you need to explicitely call the env command with arguments of variables and what to call next in that context |
| 13:27.57 | ratrace | mzajc: it's launched by the DM, |
| 13:28.25 | ratrace | the DM uses the Exec line to launch the session. afaik that Exec context is NOT a shell context, meaning you need explicit call to env(1) |
| 13:29.47 | ratrace | mzajc: "it sure is from plasma's perspective" nope. The "shell" here I mean is things like bash, or dash, or csh.... not the "plasma shell" which has nothing to do with the command line shells. |
| 13:30.10 | mzajc | ratrace: no, that's not what I meant |
| 13:30.41 | mzajc | when you launch a program using a desktop file from plasma, it launches it in a shell, meaning that the env can be skipped |
| 13:30.50 | mzajc | as it turns out, the same can't be said for the DM |
| 13:31.01 | ratrace | mzajc: only if you set up the .desktop that way |
| 13:31.12 | ratrace | anyway, did you try with "env" explicitly in Exec, and did it work? |
| 13:32.10 | mzajc | it did, but it looks like the environment is inherited down to everything from startplasma-x11 |
| 13:32.11 | mzajc | oh well |
| 13:32.42 | mzajc | I'd have to find where plasmashell itself is launched |
| 13:32.47 | ratrace | mzajc: are you sure? when you start a terminal and type env, do you see your env var as you've set it? |
| 13:32.51 | mzajc | yes, I do |
| 13:33.20 | mzajc | both that and the things that require it to be set to software are broken |
| 13:34.02 | mzajc | I suppose I could just wait for a nvidia driver update since this is a pretty minor issue |
| 13:34.17 | ratrace | mzajc: maybe you can try this then. alter your PATH (via ~/.xsessionrc or similar, not a ~/<shell rc>) to source your ~/bin/ first, then you put teh commands you want to override with custom scripts that set env, in ~/bin/ |
| 13:34.53 | ratrace | but .... no, that probably wouldn't work as launchers are typically supplying full paths .... welp.... out of ideas. |
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| 13:36.50 | mzajc | eh, too bad |
| 13:36.55 | mzajc | thanks for your help anyways :) |
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| 13:40.16 | ratrace | mzajc: how many programs require the other value for that env? maybe you can override _their_ launchers? |
| 13:40.25 | mzajc | nevermind, looks like I found exactly where it's started from: "At least on Debian 5, the autostart of plasmashell is specified by /etc/xdg/autostart/org.kde.plasmashell.desktop, which does have the X-KDE-autostart-phase=0 set." |
| 13:41.06 | mzajc | currently the default QT_QUICK_BACKEND is hardware, but I can override that to software in /etc/profile |
| 13:41.34 | mzajc | from what I can tell the only program that doesn't work with hardware is systemsettings5, and the only program that doesn't work with software is plasmashell |
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| 14:20.10 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey guys |
| 14:20.15 | Eryn_1983_FL | so glances is listening on a port, |
| 14:20.17 | Eryn_1983_FL | glances 26740 root 4u IPv4 1043122 0t0 TCP *:61209 (LISTEN) |
| 14:20.24 | Eryn_1983_FL | how do i turn this off. |
| 14:20.36 | Eryn_1983_FL | could this be a avenue to attack my host? |
| 14:20.50 | brenlae | hello, installed debian 10.6 last night, got it all configured, very pleased - came from ubuntu, needed something that uses less RAM and is more stable |
| 14:21.04 | Eryn_1983_FL | welcome brenlae |
| 14:21.06 | brenlae | :) |
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| 14:21.36 | brenlae | thanks |
| 14:22.31 | shtrb | Eryn_1983_FL, you probably can setup it to listen on a local interface only (if you actually need it ) |
| 14:23.33 | nevivurn | Eryn_1983_FL: if you don't have a firewall set up to block access + if access to glances allows bad people to do bad stuff, yes. |
| 14:23.55 | Eryn_1983_FL | hmm, |
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| 14:24.04 | Eryn_1983_FL | ill just uninstall it i dont need, it top is sufficent for now |
| 14:24.05 | shtrb | also setup a firewall to block everything and allow what you need |
| 14:24.14 | Eryn_1983_FL | plus prometheus exporters coming shortly |
| 14:24.34 | Eryn_1983_FL | yeah i havent got that far but its on the todo, its a vm on digital ocean so there fw there too |
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| 14:24.50 | brenlae | anyway, have a nice day everybody - glad to be a debian user now :) |
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| 14:25.07 | Eryn_1983_FL | nn |
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| 14:44.39 | jelly | ,v znc |
| 14:44.40 | judd | Package: znc on amd64 -- jessie: 1.4-2; jessie-security: 1.4-2+deb8u2; stretch: 1.6.5-1+deb9u2; stretch-security: 1.6.5-1+deb9u2; stretch-backports: 1.7.2-3~bpo9+1; buster: 1.7.2-3; buster-backports: 1.8.2-1~bpo10+1; bullseye: 1.8.2-2; sid: 1.8.2-2 |
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| 14:56.48 | Na_Klar | I got a spammer attack on my mailserver. I blocked the subnet on my mailserver but I wanted to block it from iptables so that my mailserver logfiles don't get flodded. I iptables -A INPUT -s xx.xx.xx.xx/16 -j DROP, but the IP still reaches my mailserver. why is that? |
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| 15:00.25 | LtL | Na_Klar: use iptables -I INPUT |
| 15:00.47 | GNU\colossus | Na_Klar, many possibilities. your rule could be ineffective due to an ealrier rule making that traffic hit ACCEPT right away, for instance. you'll have to provide the full ruleset for anyone to tell. |
| 15:00.57 | jelly | Na_Klar: show your complete iptables rules, use iptables-save or at least iptables -S |
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| 15:01.09 | Agiofws | hello |
| 15:01.11 | jelly | Na_Klar: please to not change or hide info. |
| 15:02.35 | Na_Klar | ah okay, I didn't consider conflicting rules ... and with -A I appended on the chain. Will -I avoid appending? Like a "stand-alone" rule? |
| 15:03.30 | GNU\colossus | -I will INSERT (at the beginning of the chain) |
| 15:03.44 | jelly | there's no such thing as a standalone rule, but you can add one at any point in a chain, ... -I chainname 1 ... would add at the beginning, before other rules |
| 15:03.50 | Na_Klar | yes, got that |
| 15:03.53 | GNU\colossus | (this is the moment you start reading the docs, btw ;)) |
| 15:04.04 | Na_Klar | thanks, that explains it most likely. |
| 15:04.09 | jelly | -I chain requires a number after chain name |
| 15:04.22 | Na_Klar | yes, default seems to be "1" |
| 15:04.44 | jelly | there used to be no default, maybe that changed recently |
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| 15:05.00 | Na_Klar | dunno .. but thanks for pointing out |
| 15:05.41 | jelly | for me "recently" might be "since iptables replaced ipchains" :-) |
| 15:05.58 | GNU\colossus | :) |
| 15:06.37 | Agiofws | i have copied a debian installer iso to a usb stick cp foo.iso /dev/sdh it seems that there are 2 kind of installers one for a eufi gpt partition system and one for legasy mode bios ? my problem is that when i boot from the stick i get the installers options but what ever i select it freezes, i have disabled fast and secure boot do you have any suggestions thank you |
| 15:07.26 | jelly | Agiofws: the same installer does both bios and uefi. |
| 15:07.29 | Agiofws | i'm trying to install linux on a laptop |
| 15:08.10 | Na_Klar | setting the rule on top of the chain works as expected. thanks. will the spammer get an instant block reaction or will he have to timeout his request? (this I would wish him) |
| 15:08.29 | Agiofws | why does it freeze? anything i can try ? its an amd 4500u gpu may sometihng to do with intergrated graphics ? |
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| 15:09.15 | jelly | Agiofws: hard to say, but assuming there's an issue with graphics you might try to use the installer image with firmware, if you're not using that already |
| 15:09.21 | jelly | !firmware images |
| 15:09.21 | dpkg | There are <live> system and <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages available from https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ The images are "unofficial" because "official Debian" includes only 100% free software. They are otherwise identical to the normal installer images and prepared by the same Debian Developers. See <check iso>. |
| 15:10.02 | Agiofws | i tried booting on another pc and booting via legash mode partition from the usb installer it worked |
| 15:10.46 | jelly | that does not mean a whole lot unless the other pc is same brand and model |
| 15:11.05 | jelly | or has the same GPU |
| 15:11.10 | Agiofws | jelly, debian-10.6.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 15:11.42 | jelly | that's the normal installer. Try the one with firmware. |
| 15:11.52 | Agiofws | so thats only with free s/w so it might be stalling due to that reason? |
| 15:11.57 | Agiofws | ok |
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| 15:12.04 | Agiofws | thank you :) |
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| 15:12.28 | jelly | it's just a guess; I know amd gpus need firmware, but I don't know exactly when and where and what for |
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| 15:17.27 | d3y44 | 553 Could not create file. |
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| 15:21.00 | d3y44 | anyone here? |
| 15:21.06 | IPFreely | Nope. |
| 15:21.21 | d3y44 | ive a problem with vsftpd |
| 15:21.52 | d3y44 | im trying to allow anonymous upload |
| 15:22.48 | d3y44 | https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/7CbmBjSK/vsftpd.conf |
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| 15:23.26 | d3y44 | im getting 553 Could not create file. |
| 15:23.35 | d3y44 | when uploading |
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| 15:26.46 | Stonefruit | I downloaded a jar file and a directory of its dependencies. I'd like to be able to call the jar file from the command line, from any directory. how do I do this? from googling it seems I should put it in /usr/share/java, but I ) can't seem to invoke any of the jar files there if I'm not in the directory, and 2) each jar file has a tar file associated with it, which I don't understand fully. I don't know anything about java. |
| 15:27.44 | lnxslck | Stonefruit: maybe thats where you need to start |
| 15:27.47 | lnxslck | learn about Java |
| 15:28.20 | lnxslck | as for the other part, you need to place the binary location on your PATH, or put the binary on an existing PATH location |
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| 15:29.50 | Stonefruit | lnxslck: bit ot |
| 15:29.54 | Stonefruit | whoops, sorry |
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| 15:31.26 | Stonefruit | lnxslck: but the jar file is an archive file, can you really just stick is in an existing path location? |
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| 15:34.07 | lnxslck | you can, probably wont work as you want it to |
| 15:34.16 | lnxslck | what are you wanting to accomplish? |
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| 15:37.04 | Stonefruit | I downloaded a jar file and a directory which keeps its dependencies. if I am in the directory with the jar file, I can invoke it as $ java -jar astral.5.7.4.jar -options filename |
| 15:37.38 | Stonefruit | if I'm outside of the directory, I can invoke it by putting in the full path. but I'd like to just type "$ astral -options filename" and have it work |
| 15:37.57 | lnxslck | build a script that does what you want |
| 15:38.05 | lnxslck | and place that in your PATH |
| 15:38.19 | EdePopede | didn't use too many java programs, but the few came with a wrapper script or recommended creating one with some settings for the env or doing sth with the memory. and these went into $PATH then, the jars all stayed $somewhere. |
| 15:39.11 | lnxslck | a script should get you there |
| 15:39.20 | Stonefruit | right, that makes sense |
| 15:39.32 | EdePopede | Stonefruit: no idea if java has a list of directories where it looks for jar files, but using a path (relative or absolute) should work. i'd still prefer the wrapper script. it's safe and flexible. |
| 15:39.58 | Stonefruit | okay, thanks everyone! |
| 15:40.06 | Stonefruit | I'll do that. |
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| 15:55.49 | d3y44 | can anyone help?? |
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| 15:57.02 | jelly | d3y44: which user does vsftpd run under? Does that user have write permissions in the upload dir? |
| 15:58.03 | d3y44 | dr-xr-xr-x 3 ftp root 4.0K Nov 29 13:30 ftp |
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| 16:04.58 | jelly | d3y44: figure out which user is used for anonymous ftp. Make a subdirectory for uploads. Make it writable for that user, or their primary group. |
| 16:05.39 | jelly | d3y44: avoid: making the root of the ftp site writable. |
| 16:05.57 | d3y44 | ok |
| 16:07.08 | jelly | d3y44: perhaps there's already a subdir called incoming? |
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| 16:07.55 | d3y44 | no i created it |
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| 16:13.17 | alexrelis[m] | I am soon to be getting a laptop with a Ryzen 7 4700U CPU with integrated graphics. I have installed `firmware-amd-graphics` and `linux-image-amd64`. Do I need anything else to get the computer working on Buster? I heard from somewhere that I needed the latest mesa. |
| 16:14.10 | otisolsen70 | I have a partition layout that is something like this: [/][/home][/boot][/usr][unallocated] Now, I have a lot of unallocated space and no space left on /home. So I want to grow /home. How can I do that? Can I move /usr and /boot to the end of unallocated space and then grow /home? |
| 16:14.35 | otisolsen70 | When I run gparted there is a resize/move action. But it only seems to be able to resize - not move. Howcome? |
| 16:14.55 | otisolsen70 | Is it because it is mounted? Can a partition not be moved/resized while mounted? |
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| 16:15.16 | alexrelis[m] | otisolsen70: yes, but you have to do it through a live USB. |
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| 16:15.39 | alexrelis[m] | Partitions cannot be moved when mounted, unless you have LVM. |
| 16:15.41 | otisolsen70 | alexrelis[m], ok, which live USB do you recommend? Is it an issue that I have encrypted filesystems using LUKS? |
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| 16:17.07 | jelly | otisolsen70: it can't be moved while mounted. |
| 16:17.54 | jelly | otisolsen70: as for resizing, growing can be online (= mounted), shrinking not so |
| 16:17.58 | otisolsen70 | jelly, ok. Which live USB do you recommend I use then? |
| 16:18.17 | jelly | otisolsen70: gparted has their own live image. |
| 16:18.47 | jelly | personally I like grml.org because it's debian-based and has other nice things |
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| 16:18.58 | alexrelis[m] | otisolsen70: you can use anything really. I would simply use the Debian live or non-free Debian live if you need wireless drivers. |
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| 16:19.28 | otisolsen70 | jelly, can I dd the grml image directly to a USB? |
| 16:19.32 | jelly | otisolsen70: pastebin the output of "lsblk" |
| 16:19.35 | jelly | yes |
| 16:19.52 | otisolsen70 | jelly, http://paste.yt/p13095.html |
| 16:19.54 | jelly | it's created with same tools and methodology as debian live |
| 16:20.08 | alexrelis[m] | Grml has a funny penguin on it. |
| 16:20.18 | jelly | ouch, so many partitions |
| 16:20.31 | jelly | and separate /usr, whyyyy |
| 16:22.36 | jelly | otisolsen70: I'd recommend reinstalling or making a backup of the complete linux installation, then reformatting with just /boot and a single LUKS and LVM on top. |
| 16:22.59 | otisolsen70 | jelly, the other partitions are for Windows 10 (dual boot) |
| 16:23.04 | jelly | leave the efi and non-linux partitions as-is |
| 16:23.32 | otisolsen70 | The reason for the separate /usr was that I initially ran out of space on /, so I added /usr on a separate partition. |
| 16:23.48 | jelly | using LVM would have helped with that |
| 16:24.08 | otisolsen70 | jelly, ok |
| 16:25.15 | jelly | otisolsen70: what's on nvme0n1p5, some rescue partition thing? |
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| 16:28.31 | otisolsen70 | jelly, yes. |
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| 16:28.34 | otisolsen70 | jelly, for win10 |
| 16:28.38 | otisolsen70 | jelly, a lenovo thing |
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| 16:31.53 | n4dir | zsh shell on grml can be a bit confusing |
| 16:32.13 | otisolsen70 | n4dir, why is that? |
| 16:32.34 | n4dir | why it is confusing? |
| 16:32.39 | otisolsen70 | yes |
| 16:33.05 | otisolsen70 | Is it configured in a wierd way on grml? Or is it zsh in general you find confusing? |
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| 16:33.23 | otisolsen70 | I use zsh as my primary shell |
| 16:33.25 | n4dir | iirc i wanted to chroot to do something, that is, i had to chroot, and i ran in having first to find out how to to chroot from zsh to bash. Or such. Too long. |
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| 16:33.33 | n4dir | yes, in ... well then. I just said it |
| 16:34.25 | otisolsen70 | I have never experienced problems chrooting in zsh. But if there are problems, isnt it possible to just do "exec bash" ? |
| 16:35.04 | n4dir | i forgot, but what i would usually do with eyes closed i first had to google. Which is not what i want when troubleshooting something completely different |
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| 17:05.33 | hansol | can easly be updated debain to next release ? |
| 17:05.48 | hansol | !update |
| 17:05.48 | dpkg | [update] `aptitude update' grabs the Packages.gz files from their sources and refreshes the available packages. Use before an aptitude upgrade or before looking for stuff with apt-cache search. See also <updates>. |
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| 17:11.52 | jelly | hansol: the procedure for upgrading is explained in the release notes when the next release comes out |
| 17:12.13 | jelly | hansol: eg to get from debian 9 to debian 10, you read and follow |
| 17:12.22 | jelly | dpkg, stretch->buster |
| 17:12.22 | dpkg | Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <release notes> http://deb.li/JFKc . TL;DR: In /etc/apt/sources.list, change "stretch" to "buster", remove lines like stretch-backports, debian-multimedia <dmo>, and other 3rd party repos as they are known to cause issues then do: apt update && apt upgrade && apt full-upgrade |
| 17:12.32 | jelly | or more generally, |
| 17:12.36 | jelly | !buster release notes |
| 17:12.36 | dpkg | The release notes for Debian 10 "Buster" are at https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/amd64/release-notes/ . See also <stretch->buster>, <buster install guide> |
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| 17:27.00 | brachamh | so this morning i also figured out what docker container was attempting multiple pulls. auto updater ouroboros. so it's stopped for now until i can figure out how to make everything work like it's supposed to, not just so it works lol |
| 17:28.58 | ratrace | that's easy, ditch docker. |
| 17:30.00 | brachamh | for what? |
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| 17:55.04 | uniqdom | Hello, while in bash, autocomplete appends / to folders if you press <TAB>, but you need to press <TAB> twice if the folder is a symlink. Is that correct or is just a misbehavior in my system? |
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| 17:57.24 | uniqdom | cd /home/user/fold<TAB> -> cd /home/user/folder/, cd /home/user/symlinked-fold<TAB> -> cd /home/user/symlinked-folder, cd /home/user/symlinked-fold<TAB><TAB> -> cd /home/user/symlinked-folder/ |
| 17:57.53 | jelly | that smells like a feature, ask in #bash ? |
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| 17:58.04 | uniqdom | ok, thanks |
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| 17:59.43 | EugenA | why this??? https://pasteboard.co/JCDwobT.png |
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| 18:00.55 | EugenA | after this if I press "q" i get "-" |
| 18:00.57 | jelly | EugenA: run "reset" to get the terminal back into a nicer state |
| 18:01.23 | jelly | that is type in "reset" blindly and press enter. Commands still work even if the output is weird. |
| 18:02.00 | EugenA | ok, now it is nicer |
| 18:02.08 | jelly | run apt-get update again |
| 18:02.26 | EugenA | why it is broken after sudo apt update?? |
| 18:03.05 | jelly | that's a good question. Something that apt outputs makes the terminal switch into alternate character set mode |
| 18:03.17 | jelly | this "shouldn't happen" and is a bug |
| 18:04.00 | jelly | EugenA: just for fun, does "sudo env LC_ALL=C apt update" ... also result in similar breakage? |
| 18:04.24 | jelly | or is it just when German locale is active |
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| 18:07.42 | EugenA | jelly: getting same thing |
| 18:08.15 | EugenA | you can see on the photo the line with E: Malformed Description-md5 line .... |
| 18:08.16 | jelly | EugenA: okay. What does the sources.list line for that "oph.mdrjr.net" repo look like, exactly? |
| 18:08.32 | EugenA | after that line I get the wrong chars |
| 18:09.15 | jelly | this repo is triggering a bug in apt, the interesting question is whether that bug can be exploited |
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| 18:11.07 | EugenA | interesting.. i don't see such url in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 18:11.28 | EugenA | am I looking to wring file? |
| 18:11.41 | jelly | EugenA: grep mdrjr /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* |
| 18:11.51 | jelly | could be in one of those files. |
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| 18:16.48 | EugenA | jelly: ok: https://pasteboard.co/JCDDwkc.png |
| 18:17.24 | jelly | EugenA: what is that and do you need it? |
| 18:18.35 | EugenA | i'm trying to get working debian on single board computer Odroid N2 |
| 18:18.49 | EugenA | it has arm cpu |
| 18:19.13 | jhutchins | !arm |
| 18:19.14 | dpkg | Advanced RISC Machine (ARM) is a processor architecture. The Debian arm port was deprecated at 5.0 "Lenny" with official support dropped at 6.0 "Squeeze", ask me about <armel> for the replacement port. See also <armhf>. http://www.debian.org/ports/arm/ For help with Debian on ARM systems, join #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net. |
| 18:19.31 | EugenA | distro i'm using had already all that sources... |
| 18:21.45 | ratrace | arm, armel, amrhf ..... what a friggin mess |
| 18:25.13 | ratrace | and oh yeah, arm64 |
| 18:26.29 | EugenA | what linux should I try on amr64? |
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| 18:27.39 | tomreyn | better use Lniux there |
| 18:28.43 | EugenA | well, I'm running linux now |
| 18:29.12 | EugenA | arch linux? |
| 18:29.45 | ratrace | You're in #debian. What do you think? |
| 18:29.54 | jelly | EugenA: can you pastebin the output of "apt-key export 96C5830639B8AE9C" but on an actual text pastebin like paste.debian.net |
| 18:31.35 | EugenA | >Advanced RISC Machine (ARM) is a processor architecture. The Debian arm port was deprecated at 5.0 "Lenny" with official support dropped at 6.0 "Squeeze" |
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| 18:32.03 | EugenA | I still can see this https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/arm64/iso-cd/ |
| 18:32.16 | EugenA | so it is not deprecated? |
| 18:32.38 | ratrace | arm64 != arm |
| 18:33.38 | jelly | !arm |
| 18:33.39 | dpkg | Advanced RISC Machine (ARM) is a processor architecture. The Debian arm port was deprecated at 5.0 "Lenny" with official support dropped at 6.0 "Squeeze", ask me about <armel> for the replacement port. See also <armhf>. http://www.debian.org/ports/arm/ For help with Debian on ARM systems, join #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net. |
| 18:33.48 | jelly | silly me |
| 18:33.56 | jelly | !armhr |
| 18:33.59 | jelly | !armhf |
| 18:33.59 | dpkg | armhf is a port of Debian requiring a floating-point unit (FPU) found in modern <ARM> hardware. It explicitly targets version 7 of the ARM architecture (i.e. not the Raspberry Pi), using the hard-float version of the ARM EABI. The armhf architecture was introduced at Debian 7.0 "Wheezy". http://wiki.debian.org/ArmHardFloatPort #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net. See also <armel vs armhf>. |
| 18:34.08 | jelly | !aarch64 |
| 18:34.18 | jelly | !arm64 |
| 18:34.25 | jelly | !aarch64 |
| 18:34.30 | jelly | dpkg: ping |
| 18:34.30 | dpkg | Yes, jelly, you are online. |
| 18:36.53 | jelly | key is apparently at https://oph.mdrjr.net/meveric/meveric.asc |
| 18:38.41 | EugenA | hm... how can I post text to pastebin from terminal? |
| 18:39.18 | EugenA | I can only show you a picture |
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| 18:41.31 | EugenA | https://pasteboard.co/JCDNvJP.png |
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| 18:44.04 | jelly | EugenA: yeah I won't be retyping all that. |
| 18:44.18 | jelly | !pastebinit |
| 18:44.18 | dpkg | A command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "apt-get install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg 2>&1 | pastebinit". For a list of pastebin sites do "pastebinit -l". See also <pastebinit config>, <nopaste>. |
| 18:44.26 | EugenA | jelly: yes, this is the key : https://oph.mdrjr.net/meveric/meveric.asc |
| 18:44.55 | jelly | EugenA: what does "dpkg --print-architecture" say on that system? I can't reproduce with i386 or amd64... |
| 18:45.34 | EugenA | it says "arm64" |
| 18:45.39 | jelly | good |
| 18:46.08 | EugenA | system is running on new microSD card.. bought yesterday |
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| 18:55.00 | jelly | EugenA: I can't reproduce, you have found a bug but it's possible the bug is only exposed because of a corrupted download. I'd like to see that download because the bug may have security implications. How large is the apt lists dir on that machine? "du /var/lib/apt/lists" |
| 18:56.24 | jelly | EugenA: also, which version of apt? dpkg -l apt |tail -n1 |
| 18:57.17 | EugenA | 4 auxfilex |
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| 18:57.26 | EugenA | 12 partial |
| 18:57.36 | EugenA | 123816 lists |
| 18:58.38 | EugenA | apt 1.8.2 arm64 |
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| 18:59.33 | jelly | ,v apt |
| 18:59.34 | judd | Package: apt on amd64 -- jessie: 1.0.9.8.4; jessie-security: 1.0.9.8.6; stretch: 1.4.10; stretch-proposed-updates: 1.4.10; stretch-security: 1.4.10; buster: 1.8.2.1; buster-security: 1.8.2.1; bullseye: 2.1.11; sid: 2.1.12 |
| 18:59.48 | jelly | EugenA: 1.8.2 and not 1.8.2.1? |
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| 18:59.56 | jelly | hmm. |
| 19:00.00 | EugenA | 1.8.2 |
| 19:00.21 | jelly | let me downgrade back to 1.8.2 and see what happens |
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| 19:02.35 | incal | hello guys, how can I show a file in the terminal, like with less, only with no interface, just the file, and the program won't exit, just show the file until killed? TIA |
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| 19:07.48 | sjd | What use case? Want to check and see if a file has been deleted underneath you? |
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| 19:09.10 | incal | no, I want to do a cool screenshot with one tmux pane only showing what's int the file, not the less interface and not the shell prompt... |
| 19:09.45 | incal | :$ |
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| 19:10.45 | ratrace | incal: "show a file in terminal [...] not the shell prompt" :: you should really explain that |
| 19:10.49 | ratrace | also: |
| 19:10.51 | ratrace | !xy |
| 19:10.52 | dpkg | Slow down for a bit! Are you sure that you need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's easy to miss that there is a better way to proceed. See http://mywiki.wooledge.org/XyProblem |
| 19:11.30 | ratrace | but trying to decypher what you mean literally ..... cat <somefile > ; sleep 999999 |
| 19:11.56 | incal | bingo :) |
| 19:12.14 | incal | thanks ratrace |
| 19:12.16 | incal | !xy |
| 19:12.16 | dpkg | Slow down for a bit! Are you sure that you need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's easy to miss that there is a better way to proceed. See http://mywiki.wooledge.org/XyProblem |
| 19:12.21 | incal | !xy |
| 19:12.25 | incal | ha |
| 19:12.27 | incal | sorry |
| 19:12.35 | sney | o_o |
| 19:12.48 | incal | just wanted to check your bot was into the game |
| 19:13.13 | incal | OK, ready for the dump? |
| 19:13.30 | sney | don't paste anything to the channel |
| 19:13.30 | ratrace | incal: NO |
| 19:13.32 | ratrace | !pastebin |
| 19:13.32 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: https://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: https://imgbb.com/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): https://filebin.net or https://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <termbin>. |
| 19:14.22 | sney | a quick and dirty way to do this would be 'watch -t cat filename.txt' which will technically refresh the file every 2 seconds. |
| 19:14.36 | incal | paste? it is a screenshot :) |
| 19:14.51 | sney | but ratrace is probably right that you're down some insane rabbithole |
| 19:14.52 | incal | yeah I thought about watch as well! |
| 19:15.14 | incal | mind yer own rabbits sney :) |
| 19:16.50 | incal | here: https://dataswamp.org/~incal/pimgs/comp/cal.png :) |
| 19:17.00 | ratrace | I think I get it no... incal wanted to "censor" their prompt, and show us a tmux screenie. ....... use gimp next time to 'shop the pic :) |
| 19:17.05 | ratrace | *now |
| 19:17.13 | jhutchins | print it out and tape it over the screen. |
| 19:17.25 | ratrace | that too =) |
| 19:17.53 | incal | ha you jesters :) |
| 19:17.59 | ratrace | some srs haxx0ring in that screen! |
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| 19:19.52 | ratrace | is waiting for the related question. |
| 19:20.54 | incal | I actually have a screenshot of your display as well... |
| 19:20.57 | incal | https://dataswamp.org/~incal/pimgs/rats.png |
| 19:21.01 | incal | cool... eheh |
| 19:23.23 | ratrace | I wouldn't be caught dead holding a VBE, so no. fail :) |
| 19:23.23 | incal | here is the watch version: https://dataswamp.org/~incal/pimgs/comp/cal.png |
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| 19:29.10 | EugenA | jelly: I was offline.. any ideas about that problem with apt |
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| 19:34.41 | jelly | EugenA: can you archive and upload your /var/lib/apt/lists/*mdrjr* files somewhere? |
| 19:35.26 | jelly | EugenA: I'd like to be able to reproduce this before wiping the files and trying "apt update" from scratch. |
| 19:36.01 | incal | thanks bye |
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| 19:36.04 | jelly | EugenA: and I suspect you either had a corrupted download, or the repo was broken at some point in the past but isn't right now |
| 19:37.15 | jelly | EugenA: still, I added arm64, added all the mdrjr repos, got apt 1.8.2 and still couldn't reproduce... so apparently the repo is okay now. Or we're not accessing the same repo. |
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| 19:38.21 | jelly | I do have some arm64 capable hardware but it's not running Debian right now |
| 19:39.52 | jelly | EugenA: I suspect your immediate issue will be solved by "rm /var/lib/apt/lists/partial/*.* /var/lib/apt/lists/*mdrjr*" and doing an apt update afterwards. |
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| 19:42.17 | wisbit | hi there, hope everyone's ok |
| 19:42.55 | wisbit | quick quesiton about apache on debian (httpd channel told me "we don't support broken debian scripts in #httpd hahaha) |
| 19:42.57 | wisbit | the a2en function basically just copy the files into the enabled folders, a2diss removes it, and apache looks only in the "enabled" folder? am I correct ? |
| 19:43.13 | sney | wisbit: it creates symlinks, but otherwise yes |
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| 19:44.51 | wisbit | sney, cheers for that answers, it's crazy that when first appoaching the whole apache2 system, I got completely lost, but after dabbling with it, it's actually quite simple, but man ... |
| 19:44.56 | wisbit | answer* |
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| 19:46.33 | jmcnaught | wisbit: /usr/share/doc/apache2/README.Debian.gz has an overview of the Debian config layout |
| 19:47.00 | wisbit | does it change anything to put the <directory> bit inside the <VirtualHost> block or outside ... ? |
| 19:47.20 | wisbit | jmcnaught: yup I just finished reading that and it did clarify a lot ! |
| 19:47.42 | SerajewelKS | why would grub-probe be unable to identify an ext2 filesystem that exists in an md-raid1 device? |
| 19:48.09 | SerajewelKS | grub-probe is able to identify other filesystems. grub-probe --device /dev/md127 --> "unknown filesystem" |
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| 19:48.19 | SerajewelKS | but "file -s /dev/md127" correctly reports ext2 |
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| 19:51.20 | jmcnaught | wisbit: if the directory would only be accessed by a particular VirtualHost then put it inside that VirtualHost. |
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| 19:55.50 | SerajewelKS | and now i just ran probe again and it works.... no idea wtf changed |
| 19:57.05 | ratrace | hardware hiccup or a more serious issue |
| 19:57.19 | ratrace | faulty ram, bad cable, bad sectors |
| 19:57.49 | SerajewelKS | don't think it's that. i think i tried grub-install in between with --recheck and apparently that kicked it? |
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| 19:59.23 | ratrace | kicked what exactly. computers shouldn't be nonderministic like that unless there's a fault |
| 19:59.55 | SerajewelKS | --recheck rebuild's grub's device map, i'm guessing the old one was incorrect in some way |
| 19:59.59 | SerajewelKS | rebuilds* |
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| 20:02.10 | ratrace | ah |
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| 20:06.50 | SerajewelKS | hmm, should qemu/kvm be able to boot from a GPT-partitioned disk with an appropriate BIOS boot partition? |
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| 20:07.25 | siiky | hi everyone! how often is a packages' mirror typically updated? do they have any sort of "minimum requirements"? |
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| 20:15.22 | ratrace | SerajewelKS: yes |
| 20:17.05 | jmcnaught | siiky: on there is a Debian stable release (like Debian 10 "buster") the versions of packages remain the same. They get security fixes backported to them. Only a few exceptions are made for complicated and important packages like firefox-esr. Every couple of years there is a new Debian stable release with newer versions of packages. |
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| 20:21.15 | siiky | jmcnaught: i was asking about mirrors, not releases :) like ftp.us.debian.org, ftp.uk.debian.org, etc |
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| 20:22.44 | jmcnaught | siiky: oh I see. https://www.debian.org/mirror/ftpmirror#when |
| 20:25.34 | siiky | ah there it is! i hadnt found that page yet. thanks jmcnaught! :) |
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| 20:28.00 | wisbit | apache on debian question: is there a conflict, or redundancy, between ssl.conf in mods-eabled and a ssl-params.conf that I made (in conf-available) and loaded ? they seem to contain similar information SSLCypherSuite, SSLProtocols ... |
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| 20:31.33 | jmcnaught | wisbit: I usually put those inside a <VirtualHost> definition in a file in sites-available. |
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| 20:35.23 | wisbit | jmcnaught I see. with so many conf files here and there, it's hard to know which has priority |
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| 20:39.12 | jmcnaught | wisbit: I guess if you are hosting multiple sites it makes more sense to put configuration common to all virtual hosts into a global server config in conf-enabled/ |
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| 20:41.29 | jmcnaught | wisbit: I have used https://ssl-config.mozilla.org/ in the past to help with configuration, and before I'm pretty sure it used to put SSLProtocol inside <Virtualhost> but now it looks like they are putting common settings like that into a global context (so what you were doing at first with conf-available/ssl-params.conf was the right direction sorry). |
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| 20:41.55 | wisbit | jmcnaught: that's the case indeed, doing your way is easy when having one site I guess, but I do have multiple sites |
| 20:42.09 | EdePopede | the files are in *-available and debian's tool creates links in *-enabled. but they are 'Include'd by the default directive anyway. |
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| 20:45.39 | SerajewelKS | ratrace: hmm odd, i can't get it to see any GPT disks as bootable. going to try DOS/MBR. |
| 20:46.08 | wisbit | my question was that there is a conf file related to ssl in the mods-enabled folder and I wondered what it was about since I also have a ssl conf file in conf-available |
| 20:47.16 | sney | wisbit: the one in mods-enabled is for enabling mod_ssl itself. any configuration in there is probably intended as sane defaults. |
| 20:48.42 | EugenA | jelly: I've uploaded files: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/14nSI5e5t_ja4v0cSQ_6LbgIDb3Qz0ml0?usp=sharing |
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| 20:49.04 | wisbit | sney, ok I see, cheers for that |
| 20:49.41 | jmcnaught | wisbit: conf snippets in conf-enabled/*.conf are included after mods-enabled/*.conf |
| 20:49.45 | EugenA | I'll try to "rm /var/lib/apt/lists/partial/*.* /var/lib/apt/lists/*mdrjr*" and doing an apt update afterwards. |
| 20:50.57 | ratrace | SerajewelKS: where did you install grub? disk or partition? |
| 20:51.09 | SerajewelKS | ratrace: disk, with 1MB bios boot partition at the start of the disk |
| 20:51.23 | ratrace | SerajewelKS: also is the bios grub partition marked as such? granted, you couldn't even install it without that, and without it loudly complaining |
| 20:51.34 | SerajewelKS | yes it was |
| 20:51.43 | EugenA | jelly: still cannot do apt update |
| 20:51.50 | ratrace | otherwise pretty sure qemu-kvm can boot virtual or physical disks in gpt layout. I got a bunch VMs doing that. |
| 20:52.10 | SerajewelKS | weird. i was getting the standard "no bootable devices" |
| 20:52.15 | EugenA | I think I'll try to rewrite img to my sdcard |
| 20:52.24 | ratrace | SerajewelKS: could be you're using wrong params for qemu-system? |
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| 20:52.48 | SerajewelKS | ratrace: same params i used for DOS/MBR. booting from a debian live CD works and it can see all of the disks. |
| 20:53.38 | SerajewelKS | this is the first VM i've tried to boot with GPT layout |
| 20:54.35 | SerajewelKS | and i've used the same layout on physical machines without issue |
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| 20:55.09 | SerajewelKS | unless you have to give qemu special options to boot GPT, anyway |
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| 20:55.36 | wisbit | jmcnaught: YES thanks a lot mate, that's exactly what I was struggling with, |
| 20:55.37 | SerajewelKS | i did specify a physical+logical sector size of 4096 instead of 512, perhaps that is throwing qemu off (GPT layout depends on sector size) |
| 20:55.51 | SerajewelKS | maybe the qemu code that parses GPT assumes a sector size of 512? |
| 20:56.16 | jmcnaught | wisbit: you can read /etc/apache2/apache2.conf to see the order of the IncludeOptional directives that are used. |
| 21:00.26 | SerajewelKS | hmm DOS/MBR won't boot either |
| 21:00.40 | SerajewelKS | really suspicious the sector size is the issue |
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| 21:00.59 | jak2000 | hi all |
| 21:01.21 | jak2000 | mysystem have installed the graphical .. how to uninstall the Xwindow? |
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| 21:02.30 | ratrace | SerajewelKS: no, I've booted from physical drives that had 4096b sector sizes. Can you pastebin your qemu-system options? |
| 21:02.52 | gry | jak2000, i'd suggest `sudo apt remove *xorg* *x11*`` |
| 21:02.56 | SerajewelKS | ratrace: specifying that to qemu? |
| 21:02.58 | gry | without the quotes |
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| 21:03.29 | ratrace | SerajewelKS: mind you, the sector size is irrelevant for the pmbr and the bios_grub, it only matters for the filesystem where /boot resides, and that surely is not a problem, whether it's 512n/e or 4k |
| 21:03.44 | jmcnaught | jak2000: read the list of packages proposed for removal very carefully before agreeing to it. |
| 21:03.58 | ratrace | SerajewelKS: I never forced any sector size in qemu params tho |
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| 21:04.45 | SerajewelKS | ratrace: http://paste.debian.net/1174858/ |
| 21:05.11 | SerajewelKS | ratrace: i'm going to try again with 512 logical / 4096 physical, unless you spot any problems here |
| 21:05.36 | SerajewelKS | this same config works with only one drive, using a file instead of an LV, and omitting the sector size options |
| 21:06.15 | SerajewelKS | multiple drives should not matter (grub is installed to all), qemu really doesn't give a rip about device vs. file (and live environment can see the disks), the only other thing changed is the sector size so that's why i'm suspicious |
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| 21:07.15 | SerajewelKS | oh the old config also had discard=unmap on the -drive line |
| 21:07.23 | SerajewelKS | (the raw file was sparse) |
| 21:07.34 | ratrace | SerajewelKS: try removing logical_block_size and physical_block_size from the options |
| 21:08.14 | SerajewelKS | when i booted with that the reported sizes were 512/512 which does not match the underlying hardware (which is 512 / 4096) |
| 21:08.49 | ratrace | not sure the hypervisor needs to concern itself with that |
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| 21:09.19 | SerajewelKS | the guest may make poor choices if it doesn't see the 4096-byte logical sector size though, no? |
| 21:09.22 | ratrace | never saw any tuning recommendation use it, and I never used that myself, could easily saturate sata3 drives, both in bandwidth and iops |
| 21:09.56 | SerajewelKS | i guess i am throwing luks with --sector-size 4096 on top, so the luks layer should take care of enforcing 4k I/O |
| 21:10.03 | ratrace | yes |
| 21:10.11 | ratrace | also, use writeback cache for best perf |
| 21:10.14 | SerajewelKS | it just seems weird that qemu wouldn't be able to handle booting unless the sector size is 512 |
| 21:10.41 | SerajewelKS | writeback is not crash-safe though? |
| 21:10.46 | ratrace | SerajewelKS: is the bios_grub partition 1M aligned? |
| 21:11.08 | SerajewelKS | it should have been yes, fdisk aligns partitions to 1M by default, doesn't it? |
| 21:11.15 | ratrace | I don't know |
| 21:11.33 | ratrace | I know parted will have weird ideas about alignment so resizing must be done in sector units |
| 21:12.08 | SerajewelKS | to satisfy my curiosity i'm going to build it again with 512 / 4096 and GPT. if that fails as well i will try 512 / 512 |
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| 21:12.19 | SerajewelKS | it would be nice to conclusively point at that as the issue |
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| 21:13.23 | ratrace | I suspect bios_grub is not 1M/4K aligned. if its 512b aligned and you tried to force 4k and the offset doesn't happen to be at a factor of 4k.... it's gonna error out like this |
| 21:13.37 | SerajewelKS | yeah fdisk is 1M-aligning everything if i don't change the start sector |
| 21:13.46 | ratrace | SerajewelKS: $1M question: 1M or 1MiB :) |
| 21:14.06 | SerajewelKS | 1MB would require fractional sectors ;) |
| 21:14.10 | jak2000 | where can see if my linux is scratch or jessie or buster or... |
| 21:14.34 | SerajewelKS | ratrace: with 512-byte logical sectors, fdisk placed it at sector 2048 by default, 512*1024 = 1MiB |
| 21:14.39 | SerajewelKS | 512*2048 rather |
| 21:14.41 | ratrace | SerajewelKS: which can easily happen and be hidden. parted is stupid like that |
| 21:14.54 | SerajewelKS | yeah i used parted maybe twice and gave up on it |
| 21:14.59 | taman | jak2000: cat /etc/os-release |
| 21:15.11 | SerajewelKS | it tries to be smart about stuff but is actually dumb about stuff |
| 21:15.17 | ratrace | yea |
| 21:18.15 | jak2000 | PRETTY_NAME="Debian GNU/Linux 10 (buster)" |
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| 21:21.44 | SerajewelKS | man i hate luks sometimes |
| 21:22.12 | SerajewelKS | it requires a container be an exact multiple of the sector size. it can't just _not use_ any trailing space like any other sane container. |
| 21:22.39 | SerajewelKS | (another reason 4096-byte physical sectors are nice) |
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| 21:24.02 | jak2000 | my debian sleep.. how to remove the sleep mode? |
| 21:24.25 | SnakesAndStuff | what is the correct method for Debian 10 to set preferred_lft 0 on an address to prevent new communications to use it as a source address? |
| 21:24.35 | SnakesAndStuff | preferably somwhow to add it to /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 21:25.05 | SnakesAndStuff | Right now the source address being used is the last added (which if I undertand is a tie breaker when there is same scope) |
| 21:25.29 | SnakesAndStuff | But I'd like to be able to have it start up as depricated to prevent it from being used... But I still need it enabled because my VPS uses it internally.... |
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| 21:31.03 | rudi_s | SnakesAndStuff: post-up ip addr change $IF_ADDRESS dev $IFACE preferred_lft 0 |
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| 21:37.56 | SnakesAndStuff | rudi_s: can the post-up.... be added in that stanza? |
| 21:38.49 | SnakesAndStuff | ah, according to man interfaces, that is exactly what it is for :D thank you |
| 21:41.19 | rudi_s | np |
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| 22:08.13 | pfred1 | OK this is bizarre I just made my directories and put some files into them and now Configure Paths has all of those places in it |
| 22:08.46 | pfred1 | how did it know? |
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| 22:12.58 | ratrace | what is "Configure Paths" |
| 22:13.29 | SerajewelKS | ratrace: boots with 512 logical and 4096 physical sector size. qemu must not be able to parse partition tables properly when the logical sector size is 4k. |
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| 22:14.51 | jelly | silly qemu, how is it going to boot from emoolated 4Kn disks then |
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| 22:18.29 | SerajewelKS | my guess is that it's hardcoded to use a 512 byte sector size regardless so the offsets in the partition table as qemu uses them are wrong, so it doesn't find anything bootable. or something like that. |
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| 22:26.34 | ratrace | SerajewelKS: well, nice experiment, but I don't think you should fiddle with those. it's not necessary really |
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| 23:38.14 | JerryS | Hi, all. I have a Lenovo E15 I'm trying to get Debian to work on. So far I've gotten the wirelss adapter going by loading from backports. |
| 23:40.23 | JerryS | Debian was installed on the SATA drive. During install it recognized the second SSD drive but after installation it doesn't recognize it. |
| 23:40.45 | JerryS | Does anyone have any ideas on this? |
| 23:40.47 | sney | doesn't recognize? or isn't mounted? |
| 23:41.37 | JerryS | sney Doesn't recognize it. |
| 23:41.55 | sney | how have you determined this? what are you trying to do, etc |
| 23:42.34 | JerryS | Not listed in lshw or /dev. |
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| 23:45.56 | sney | if it's not in /dev and you can't see it with lsblk, fdisk -l, etc, then it's not detected by the kernel. for a disk, the most likely reason is a bad connection, as even a defective disk will usually still get a /dev node. |
| 23:46.39 | sney | check dmesg output for disk failures, then shut down the computer and re-seat your sata and power connector on that second disk. |
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| 23:48.36 | JerryS | fdksi -l also didn't show it. This isn't a SATA drive. |
| 23:49.10 | sney | reseat the connector(s) in general. I said it that way so you wouldn't forget power. |
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| 23:49.46 | JerryS | sney it's on an M2 port. Windows sees it fine. |
| 23:50.57 | sney | and dmesg output? |
| 23:51.33 | JerryS | sney I just got the dinner call. Let me go to dinner and try reseating it anyway. I'll be back later if you're still on. Turkey's calling! :) |
| 23:51.41 | sney | ok |
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