| 00:00.41 | rander2 | and grub rescue have a cryptic syntax, it's a hacker program |
| 00:01.02 | rander2 | for much expert users |
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| 00:06.10 | iflema | uninstall os-prober |
| 00:06.17 | iflema | and update-grube |
| 00:06.21 | iflema | :D |
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| 00:10.56 | rander2 | hello |
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| 00:11.57 | rander2 | or try to solve the grub rescue problem |
| 00:12.43 | rander2 | basically the first time it boot regularity , the second time grub rescue |
| 00:12.47 | rander2 | boh |
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| 00:26.22 | iflema | hardrive failing? |
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| 00:26.41 | iflema | cable bad? |
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| 00:31.08 | rander2 | a start job is running for interfaces... |
| 00:32.14 | iflema | stopped |
| 00:33.01 | rander2 | yes, now boot correctly but wait little time |
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| 00:35.03 | rander2 | .. /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 00:35.16 | iflema | devuan |
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| 00:36.27 | rander2 | ok, I think here all from europe , and now it's night |
| 00:36.30 | rander2 | sorry |
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| 00:44.29 | rander2 | hello |
| 00:47.49 | abrotman | Not true |
| 00:52.22 | rander2 | ok |
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| 00:55.53 | rander2 | abrotman, I from eu too, but I become active in evening |
| 00:55.56 | rander2 | sorry |
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| 00:58.26 | rander2 | http://paste.debian.net/1175511/ |
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| 00:59.49 | rander2 | iwlwifi |
| 01:00.08 | abrotman | Did you install the firmware package? |
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| 01:01.14 | rander2 | firmware-iwlwifi now |
| 01:01.25 | rander2 | I solve the boot problem |
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| 01:01.57 | rander2 | uninstalled os-prober && update-grub |
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| 01:02.29 | rander2 | must I reboot to go after install firmware-iwlwifi ? |
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| 01:03.22 | rander2 | or restart networkmanager |
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| 01:08.07 | abrotman | reboot is probably easier |
| 01:09.00 | rander2 | I havent modprobe here |
| 01:09.04 | rander2 | insmod |
| 01:09.13 | rander2 | only lsmod exist |
| 01:09.50 | mason | That's really odd. You don't have the kmod package? |
| 01:09.55 | rander2 | reboot dont exist too |
| 01:09.58 | iflema | try whereis modprobe |
| 01:10.09 | iflema | PATH |
| 01:10.19 | mason | If you don't have reboot, something is corrupted or missing on your disk or in your environment. |
| 01:10.46 | iflema | or not in PATH |
| 01:11.27 | rander2 | ok exist but was not in path |
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| 01:11.51 | mason | rander2: Were you trying to run it with su -c or something? |
| 01:12.05 | iflema | its not in devuan PATH |
| 01:12.17 | rander2 | I ran su - |
| 01:12.33 | mason | There's a blurb about that. Half a sec. |
| 01:12.37 | abrotman | shutdown -r ? |
| 01:12.59 | iflema | nope |
| 01:13.09 | rander2 | fault was of path |
| 01:13.15 | rander2 | reboot |
| 01:13.17 | mason | !su buster |
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| 01:13.50 | mason | !buster su |
| 01:13.50 | dpkg | In buster, su no longer overrides PATH by default, requiring that you use "su -" or "su -l" for login shells (which is not really a new thing at all...). See https://wiki.debian.org/NewInBuster#Changes for details. |
| 01:13.53 | mason | That's the one. |
| 01:14.02 | mason | If you used su - that ought to have worked then. Funky. |
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| 01:18.52 | rander2 | a start job is running for raise network interfaces ( 1m ....) |
| 01:18.59 | rander2 | last problem |
| 01:19.32 | mason | rander2: Are you using NM or ifupdown? I see that sometimes on new installs with ifupdown when the interface is marked hotplug rather than auto, IIRC. |
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| 01:21.33 | rander2 | ifupdown |
| 01:21.41 | rander2 | excuse wrong window |
| 01:22.04 | mason | rander2: Try marking the interface auto rather than hotplug, and depending on the system there can be a couple other weirdnesses. |
| 01:22.27 | rander2 | NM |
| 01:22.29 | rander2 | 0:00 /sbin/dhclient -d -q -sf /usr/lib/NetworkManager/nm-dhcp-hel |
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| 01:23.25 | mason | Did you update-initramfs after installing the iwlwifi stuff? I think it wants a copy in the initramfs. Checking. |
| 01:23.41 | mason | Oh, maybe not then. |
| 01:24.15 | abrotman | no |
| 01:24.27 | abrotman | installing it, and rebooting/reloading the module should be sufficent |
| 01:24.42 | mason | Mm, and I didn't see the driver in my initramfs on my T420. |
| 01:25.19 | mason | ...which uses iwl. I don't use NM on it, also. Only seen the start-up networking timeout thing with ifupdown. |
| 01:25.30 | rander2 | No I rebooted and wifi go. I dont know initramfs |
| 01:25.43 | mason | Yeah, ignore what I asked. I was confused. |
| 01:25.49 | monkwitdafunk | hello, i plan on converting to debian gnu linux, the universal operating system. im comfortable with ubuntu and knoppix |
| 01:26.01 | monkwitdafunk | how is everyone? |
| 01:26.03 | mason | monkwitdafunk: You'll be right at home then. |
| 01:26.48 | rander2 | mason, how making the interface auto ? |
| 01:27.29 | rander2 | It's incredible believe to install debian 10 on a microSD card |
| 01:27.31 | mason | rander2: It doesn't apply if you're controlling the interface with NetworkManager. With ifupdown, you say "auth eth0" or whatever on the line before "iface eth0 inet dhcp" |
| 01:27.55 | rander2 | when I was child I had a hd of 1Gbite |
| 01:28.19 | mason | My first hard drive was 30MB, and that was huge compared to what was available not long before. |
| 01:29.04 | rander2 | my was maxtor 1Gbite , I installed RH 6.2 to smurf on IRC :-D |
| 01:29.17 | rander2 | too much dumb I was |
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| 01:31.04 | rander2 | mason, I dont understart your dialogue |
| 01:31.30 | rander2 | to manage interface exist ip and old ifconfig |
| 01:31.40 | rander2 | iwconfig iw for wifi card |
| 01:32.15 | monkwitdafunk | my first machine on the internet had a 320GB sata |
| 01:32.54 | mason | rander2: NetworkManager and ifupdown are different mechanisms that do similar things. Usually NetworkManager will ignore interfaces it sees configured in /etc/network/interfaces, which is ifupdown's config. |
| 01:32.55 | monkwitdafunk | it was a SFF with intel core 2 duo, and nvidia graphics |
| 01:33.00 | monkwitdafunk | i love that machine still |
| 01:33.42 | monkwitdafunk | it has been surrendered as out of service |
| 01:34.21 | monkwitdafunk | anyone here worked with debian live? |
| 01:34.46 | iflema | on stage? |
| 01:34.52 | mason | !ask |
| 01:34.53 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/ See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 01:36.05 | rander2 | http://paste.debian.net/1175512/ |
| 01:37.19 | mason | rander2: Nothing configured there, then. All NetworkManager. But you're saying it came up okay? |
| 01:37.42 | mason | rander2: Is it possible it's just talking a while to connect to your wifi? |
| 01:38.07 | rander2 | yes,but at boot wait about 1 minute and write: |
| 01:38.37 | rander2 | a start job for raise network interfaces... |
| 01:38.55 | rander2 | after the line: |
| 01:39.12 | rander2 | started network manager wait online |
| 01:39.19 | rander2 | I made a photo |
| 01:39.51 | mason | rander2: A random option, what I do here is come up without a network and choose wired or wireless once I've logged in. |
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| 01:41.20 | rander2 | mason, not normal it wait more than 1 minute, something interfaces is misconfigured |
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| 01:42.15 | rander2 | so every time I boot I must loose lotta time |
| 01:42.34 | mason | rander2: Misconfigured, or the wifi signal is weak, or something. The logs will note if anything funny happened. Check /var/log/syslog. |
| 01:43.01 | rander2 | no, wifi go now correctly |
| 01:43.26 | mason | Whatever causes your delay will likely show up in syslog and/or dmesg. |
| 01:46.37 | rander2 | http://paste.debian.net/1175513/ |
| 01:47.41 | mason | rander2: You've got wifi and a USB dongle both? |
| 01:47.45 | mason | built-in wifi? |
| 01:48.16 | mason | rander2: Looks like it's configuring your USB and then hanging out a long time struggling with your wireless. |
| 01:49.19 | rander2 | inside wifi |
| 01:49.29 | rander2 | wifi card inside laptop |
| 01:49.39 | mason | yes |
| 01:50.39 | rander2 | in usb I have a microSD reader with inside microSD to make boot |
| 01:50.47 | rander2 | it is HID |
| 01:51.01 | rander2 | maybe it is , I dont know |
| 01:51.27 | mason | rander2: You have a USB interface, usb0, and it's getting configured via NM/DHCP |
| 01:51.30 | rander2 | Bus 003 Device 002: ID 14cd:1212 Super Top microSD card reader (SY-T18) |
| 01:51.39 | mason | Not that. |
| 01:51.52 | rander2 | usb0 is android tethering |
| 01:52.23 | mason | rander2: You're getting network through that. You can turn that off android-side. If you're debugging networking, simplify it a bit. |
| 01:52.26 | rander2 | I[m connect to the phone with usb cable |
| 01:52.44 | rander2 | ahaaa |
| 01:52.55 | rander2 | I'n too much dumb |
| 01:53.02 | rander2 | auto ... |
| 01:53.44 | mason | Wait, are you trying to use your phone as a mifi *and* you're tethered to it? |
| 01:53.54 | rander2 | I could disable auto in config file |
| 01:54.41 | mason | Which config? What you showed us didn't have any relevant configuration to configure. Do you have something in /etc/network/interfaces.d/foo ? |
| 01:54.45 | rander2 | I'm using the phone with usb tethering, I connect to the net throught tethering usb |
| 01:55.36 | rander2 | yes, it seemd tome that it's possible disable auto detecting of interface at boot |
| 01:55.45 | rander2 | but I dont remenber it |
| 01:56.28 | rander2 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:57.37 | rander2 | reboot |
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| 02:03.53 | qskwood | Even though it's not officially supported anymore, I wonder if anyone could tell me: Is it possible to select an arbitrary apt mirror on any of the Debian releases that were distributed on floppy? |
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| 02:04.12 | qskwood | You cannot on Sarge, which appears to be the most recent on distributed on floppy images |
| 02:05.13 | rander2 | I think is the microSD adapter. this laptop have a SD slot too,but booting from there compare grub rescue |
| 02:05.26 | rander2 | I don't know why. |
| 02:06.39 | rander2 | debian number one |
| 02:06.45 | rander2 | this is sure |
| 02:07.51 | rander2 | how are the initial message on the boot ? in what log file |
| 02:08.31 | mason | dmesg and /var/log/syslog |
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| 02:16.36 | rander2 | good bye all and tjx |
| 02:16.38 | rander2 | thx |
| 02:16.57 | dvs | o/ |
| 02:17.13 | rander2 | EOF |
| 02:17.22 | rander2 | :) |
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| 02:33.05 | monkwitdafunk | !ask debian live |
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| 02:52.49 | alex11 | monkwitdafunk, hi, what's your question? you can just ask it or try #debian-live on the oftc network |
| 02:53.01 | alex11 | if your question is about debian live |
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| 02:55.49 | monkwitdafunk | thank you |
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| 04:45.28 | bigfluff | When I use Gnome terminal for SSH, sometimes I hibernate my laptop and resume later. If I open the Terminal tab back up, the SSH session will be `stuck` but not exited back to my local shell. Is there a way to make this happen as desired? Thanks! |
| 04:47.38 | gry | maybe if you use `mosh` (requires `mosh-server` on server), but even then i'm not sure its magic will be sufficient for keeping memory of the authentication for such a long period |
| 04:49.28 | themill | bigfluff: you can kill ssh with <enter> ~ . |
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| 04:50.14 | themill | Or use something like autossh to make it notice the dropout and reconnect faster. Or use similar config to autossh to make ssh notice that it has been disconnected faster. |
| 04:50.54 | bigfluff | gry: not worried about staying authed, just want my shell back |
| 04:53.33 | gry | it will onluy let you in the old session if it knows that it's you. not sure if mosh is clever enough , perhaps worth a try |
| 04:53.39 | gry | only |
| 04:53.58 | bigfluff | themill: `autossh` seems like the solution, thank you! |
| 04:54.23 | bigfluff | gry: thank you, I've actually never heard of mosh; not exactly what I'm after today but something I'm sure I'll tinker with later! |
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| 05:19.39 | gry | ( |
| 05:19.46 | gry | :) |
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| 08:10.11 | Agiofws | hello |
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| 08:16.22 | Agiofws | i'm trying to install debian 10.6 on a new laptop i bought but the (installer+non free firmware) stalls when it tries to get a network wifi connection since there is not firmware for it yet? what are my options 1) can i build or install the the wifi module on another linux host and insmod the module when i run the installer on the laptop? does |
| 08:16.23 | Agiofws | the build host have to have the same cpu or just a 64bit arch? 2) will i have a better chance just tethering my cell phone and using that network connection with the debian installer? the wifi chipset is a realtek 8821CE chip https://www.realtek.com/en/component/zoo/category/rtl8821ce-software which does not have linux support from the official |
| 08:16.23 | Agiofws | site |
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| 08:21.27 | Agiofws | ? |
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| 08:26.17 | quadrathoch2 | Agiofws I found this bugreport, but can't look into it, as bugs.debian.org for me is down :/ https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=917941 so maybe you get some more information |
| 08:26.18 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/917941 in src:linux (closed): «Please add support for rtl8821ce»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2019-01-01; last modified: 2020-11-05. |
| 08:27.05 | Agiofws | isn't the live version live version installer a different version of debian then the net installer? |
| 08:28.09 | quadrathoch2 | Agiofws not really |
| 08:28.11 | Agiofws | so there is no support for the wifi yet ? |
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| 08:28.36 | quadrathoch2 | Agiofws seems like it, so it loaded right now, and seems like kernel 5.2 is the earliest |
| 08:29.31 | themill | sounds like a genuine realtek wifi story |
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| 08:30.26 | Agiofws | so it loaded right now? |
| 08:30.43 | themill | It sounds like installing without wifi and then upgrading the kernel to the one from backports is the way to go |
| 08:31.39 | Agiofws | no ethernet port themill |
| 08:32.03 | themill | usb sticks are a thing :) |
| 08:32.19 | Agiofws | i have an ancient usb wifi dongel maybe 10y old probably more |
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| 08:32.55 | Agiofws | yeah but paying 10eyro for a usb eth? duno how much the cost here aswell |
| 08:33.16 | Agiofws | ethernet would be a nice temp solution |
| 08:33.42 | themill | you could even just pop the kernel packages on a usb memory stick and sneakernet them if you needed to |
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| 08:45.27 | Agiofws | themill load them with insmod? |
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| 08:49.11 | themill | no, install the kernel package |
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| 08:55.24 | shtrb | How are /dev/media used for video ? (what is it good for) |
| 08:55.50 | shtrb | I know reading or mapping /dev/videoX , but I see a plugin try to access /dev/media |
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| 08:57.49 | wisbit | morning peeps :) |
| 08:59.40 | wisbit | super noob question ... in the sources .list, I there is already a "deb deb.debian ... buster main" a little lower I have the non-free sources, does the non free line need to contain the "main" part ??? or only buster contrib non-free ? |
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| 09:00.56 | shtrb | wisbit, you can have separate lines or in one line (if that is the the same source and distribution) |
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| 09:02.06 | wisbit | https://bin.disroot.org/?06296cf43e433598#GdcqmSopksfQDPZHty8wnnhXYw4CsQqUXwf69vj4637u |
| 09:02.11 | wisbit | here it's should be clearer |
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| 09:02.56 | wisbit | I'm getting massive "this thing is configured multiple times" when apt-get updating |
| 09:03.21 | wisbit | shtrb: and cheers for the reply |
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| 09:04.03 | shtrb | wisbit, just make it into one line |
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| 09:04.45 | wisbit | so basically the second line style ? "main contrib non-free" ... |
| 09:04.51 | wisbit | and that will do, am I correct ? |
| 09:05.00 | wisbit | shtrb |
| 09:05.03 | shtrb | no need to have the same componenet repated twice |
| 09:05.25 | shtrb | yes , the second one is ok (if you wish to have contrib and non-free) |
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| 09:05.37 | wisbit | I do wish to have those |
| 09:05.41 | wisbit | cheers mate ;-) |
| 09:05.44 | wisbit | shtrb |
| 09:05.57 | brskq | Good day! What's a reliable way to get the parent block device in a script? |
| 09:05.57 | shtrb | cheers |
| 09:06.28 | shtrb | brskq, would you mind rephrasing the question by what do you mean a parent block device ? |
| 09:06.28 | brskq | Is it sufficient to strip off the pXX from the end of /dev/nvme1n1p1? |
| 09:06.51 | brskq | shtrb, The disk name of a partition name |
| 09:07.46 | brskq | I want to get /dev/nvme1n1 from /dev/nvme1n1p1, but I don't know if stripping just the p1 is reliable enough |
| 09:08.32 | brskq | Ahh, I think lsblk -no pkname /dev/nvme1n1p1 --nodeps is what I need |
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| 09:08.49 | shtrb | brskq, /dev/nvme1n1p1 mean - nvme connection on the second connector , namespace 1 and parttion 1. but that is not how you get on what block device a file is stored |
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| 09:09.52 | brskq | shtrb, I'm not interested in knowing where a file is. I want to know the parent name (/dev/nvme1n1) of /dev/nvme1n1p1. |
| 09:10.15 | shtrb | What would be a parent mean in the context ? |
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| 09:10.54 | shtrb | The controller name ? the connection index ? |
| 09:11.16 | brskq | shtrb, /dev/nvme1n1 |
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| 09:12.28 | brskq | Okay, perhaps even neater is basename "$(readlink -f "/sys/class/block/nvme1n1p1/..")" |
| 09:13.46 | shtrb | fyi you can be using "nvme list" to see the name in a proper way |
| 09:14.49 | brskq | shtrb, Won't work for magnetics will it? :P |
| 09:15.44 | shtrb | nvme is magnetic (SSD), if you meant non nvme that would be a different story (and no). what is your actual problem ? |
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| 09:17.44 | brskq | I don't want to rely on having NVMe drives. This should work for any device. |
| 09:18.01 | shtrb | What is your actual goal ? to know what devices exist ? |
| 09:18.25 | brskq | shtrb, I know which devices exist, but I also want to know the parent without digging through a tree |
| 09:18.30 | shtrb | because it could be /dev/sdX , /dev/srX , /dev/hdX , /dev/mapper/ etc |
| 09:18.50 | brskq | I'm aware, and it should work for that as well |
| 09:19.47 | shtrb | Let take a simple example of /dev/mapper/root there is no parsing on that name to know what physical device (or network device) it arrived from |
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| 09:21.15 | brskq | I can live with that |
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| 09:21.45 | shtrb | You can use lsblk to get more information (as there much more information there) , and it will give you what namespace and device is holding parttions |
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| 09:22.14 | brskq | shtrb, Yeah, pkname seems to be it |
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| 10:02.03 | petaflot | uh hello. I'm trying to upgrade an old stretch on an alix that has been offline for a while, but I get dpkg: considering deconfiguration of sysvinit-utils, which would be broken by installation of util-linux ... |
| 10:02.07 | petaflot | dpkg: no, sysvinit-utils is essential, will not deconfigure it in order to enable installation of util-linux |
| 10:02.08 | dpkg | petaflot: okay |
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| 10:02.38 | petaflot | couldn't find any relevant results on google and I was hoping someone here coulod give me a clue |
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| 10:04.01 | shtrb | petaflot, you wish to upgrade stretch to most recent stretch packages or to buster ? |
| 10:04.50 | jelly | dpkg: forget sysvinit-utils |
| 10:04.51 | dpkg | i forgot sysvinit-utils, jelly |
| 10:05.22 | jelly | petaflot: read carefully and show all of these: |
| 10:05.24 | jelly | !bat |
| 10:05.25 | dpkg | [Basic Apt* Troubleshooting]. To diagnose your problem, we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use https://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 10:05.30 | petaflot | jelly: what did I accidentally tell dpkg to do? |
| 10:05.55 | JustASlacker | anybody ever hat the problem that a single durpal page will return a 500error with apache and php-fpm but works fine with mod_php |
| 10:05.59 | JustASlacker | all other pages dont care |
| 10:06.22 | JustASlacker | and I meant drupal ^_^ not durpal |
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| 10:07.19 | jelly | petaflot: "no, XXX is YYY" is bot syntax to replace any previous contents of XXX factoid with YYY |
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| 10:33.05 | shtrb | jelly, saved the day about my /media/video0 question above - https://lwn.net/Articles/415714/. |
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| 10:38.45 | shtrb | Is it normal for a webcam application (pidgin) to request write access to /dev/video0 ? ( audit: type=1400 audit(1606981908.527:57): apparmor="DENIED" operation="open" profile="/usr/bin/pidgin" name="/dev/video0" pid=11938 comm="gst-plugin-scan" requested_mask="wr" denied_mask="wr" fsuid=1000 ouid=0) |
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| 10:39.51 | jelly | shtrb: if you're asking whether it's normal for a video chat app to configure options for the webcam, yes |
| 10:40.23 | shtrb | isn't /dev/video0 should be read only by a webcam application ? |
| 10:41.27 | shtrb | based on the link you provided I assume that if it uses /dev/media0 to control flow , it shouldn't be attempting to write to /dev/video0 (If I understood correctly the link you gave ) |
| 10:42.46 | jelly | if you're asking whether it's possible that linux ABI for video devices is a mess, the answer is also yes |
| 10:43.55 | jelly | strace the app, see what it does with the fd later, draw conclusions |
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| 10:45.54 | shtrb | for now it's SIGSEGVing :-( |
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| 10:52.46 | jelly | shtrb: fwiw guvcview does not touch /dev/media0, just /dev/video0 |
| 10:53.43 | shtrb | thanks |
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| 10:59.29 | petaflot | this is weird. apt update tells me there are packages to remove, but apt autoremove doesn't remove them |
| 11:00.09 | petaflot | fixed the previous block with a manual install of util-linux |
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| 11:01.41 | petaflot | now apt basically crashes on every package, so I worked around it with while [ 1 ] ; do apt upgrade -qy --allow-unauthenticated ; sleep 1 ; apt -fy install ; sleep 1 ; done - but it takes a vast amount of time.. some 450 packages upgrade that way |
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| 11:09.34 | ksk | !bat |
| 11:09.34 | dpkg | [Basic Apt* Troubleshooting]. To diagnose your problem, we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use https://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 11:09.52 | ksk | oh, was already triggered for you, nevermind.. |
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| 11:10.18 | petaflot | ksk yep.... |
| 11:10.37 | ksk | Don't expect help, if you choose to ignore it :) |
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| 11:15.00 | petaflot | ksk: that's not it ;-) I manage to move forward little by little on my own. just trying to keep you up-to-date in case I fail and need more help. then I'll paste all you need |
| 11:15.57 | petaflot | esp. since stretch is obsolete |
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| 11:17.35 | ksk | petaflot: just saying, if you run "--allow-unauthenticated" you cannot really vouche for your systems integrity anymore, would be a huge nono in any company enviroment ;) |
| 11:17.48 | ksk | It might be more feasible to install a second, up2date Debian box, and do a data-migration from the old one. |
| 11:22.16 | petaflot | ksk: the only package concerned is nginx |
| 11:24.24 | jelly | petaflot: LTS team is managing stretch for some architecture, it's not obsolete yet |
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| 11:24.52 | jelly | !stretch-lts |
| 11:24.52 | dpkg | Security support for Debian 9 "stretch" from the Debian Security Team ended July 6 2020. The <LTS> team will continue to provide limited security support for some architectures and a subset of packages until June 30 2022 (total 5 year life). See https://wiki.debian.org/LTS for more information |
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| 11:25.54 | petaflot | jelly: oh, thanks for the update |
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| 11:39.27 | tarzeau | can someone come up with an exact curl command to upload a screenshot at http://screenshots.debian.net/packages ? |
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| 11:52.21 | JustASlacker | open the developer thingy in your webbrowser and copy the curl command from there tarzeau |
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| 11:53.30 | petaflot | ok. kmod fails to install: https://paste.debian.net/1175561/ https://paste.debian.net/1175562/ |
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| 11:54.44 | petaflot | by the way, does paste.debian.net come with a packaged tool to pipe output to a new paste? |
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| 11:55.30 | themill | ,i pastebinit |
| 11:55.32 | judd | Package pastebinit (misc, optional) in buster/amd64: command-line pastebin client. Version: 1.5-2; Size: 42.6k; Installed: 314k; Homepage: http://launchpad.net/pastebinit/; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/pastebinit |
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| 12:42.28 | rnm | !buster-lts |
| 12:42.29 | dpkg | buster-lts is <reply>It is expected that extended security support for Debian 10 "Buster" will be offered by the <LTS> project after the Debian Security Team ceases supporting stretch in mid 2022. See https://wiki.debian.org/LTS for more information. |
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| 14:56.37 | litb | hello folks |
| 14:56.57 | litb | I'm on a debian system, but I'm unsure whether it's debian testing or sid |
| 14:57.11 | litb | debian_Version says "bullseye/sid" |
| 14:57.28 | litb | but apt sources list says deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ bullseye main non-free contrib |
| 14:57.33 | litb | not sid |
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| 14:58.29 | ksk | ,v base-files |
| 14:58.30 | judd | Package: base-files on amd64 -- jessie: 8+deb8u11; stretch: 9.9+deb9u13; buster: 10.3+deb10u6; buster-proposed-updates: 10.3+deb10u7; bullseye: 11; sid: 11 |
| 14:59.04 | ksk | okay, thats not helpful :D |
| 15:00.05 | litb | ah i know |
| 15:00.15 | litb | it always says the name of the testing release and "/sid" in it |
| 15:01.34 | litb | okay, next question :p there's a "twinkle" in buster and in sid. but in between, in bullseye, it is missing |
| 15:02.05 | litb | should it not have either a twinkle of buster, or a twinkle of sid? does this thing happen often that there's a package missing in testing? |
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| 15:04.10 | ksk | ,v twinkle |
| 15:04.11 | judd | Package: twinkle on amd64 -- stretch: 1:1.10.1+dfsg-2; buster: 1:1.10.1+dfsg-4; sid: 1:1.10.2+dfsg-1 |
| 15:04.23 | ksk | !testing security |
| 15:04.23 | dpkg | Security updates in testing are delayed by the normal testing migration *and* may be further delayed by missing dependencies, etc. See https://www.debian.org/security/faq#testing ; «deb http://deb.debian.org/debian-security bullseye-security main» can be used (but will be empty). |
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| 15:05.14 | ksk | This is about security, but I would assume that its true in general for testing. In Sid packages are allowed to be broken as far as I can tell, but you would have to remove something from testing, if you were not able to fix it "according to debian guidelines" in a given timeframe |
| 15:05.43 | ksk | This channel is for Debian stable btw, please move your testing disscussions to |
| 15:05.45 | ksk | !debian-next |
| 15:05.45 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also https://wiki.debian.org/IRC and https://wiki.debian.org/GettingHelpOnIrc |
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| 15:30.51 | jelly | dpkg: why is twinkle not in testing |
| 15:30.51 | dpkg | twinkle is not in testing for the reasons listed in https://qa.debian.org/excuses.php?package=twinkle |
| 15:31.01 | jelly | litb: ^ |
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| 15:32.34 | ratrace | twinkle twinkle little star ..... the DeadSpace edition. |
| 15:33.02 | litb | hm |
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| 15:39.50 | EdePopede | with a link to https://piuparts.debian.org/sid/source/t/twinkle.html |
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| 15:40.01 | EdePopede | which is ANOTHER debian hosts i've never seen before |
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| 16:08.35 | ksk | https://wiki.debian.org/piuparts ;) |
| 16:09.01 | ksk | sounds a little bit like CICD, but from 1990 /hides |
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| 16:12.46 | jhutchins | EdePopede: What is twinkle? |
| 16:13.11 | EdePopede | sounds like a cool tool this piuparts |
| 16:13.58 | EdePopede | jhutchins: read here for the first time of it. something more like half an hour ago. |
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| 16:15.37 | jhutchins | I haven't heard of anybody who's succeded in SMS on a PC. |
| 16:16.17 | jhutchins | I know people have assumed they could do it with a tethered phone, but like I said, haven't heard of it working. |
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| 16:18.08 | EdePopede | oh, a Qt3 softphone with some dirty Qt4 hacks |
| 16:18.51 | EdePopede | i sent one single SMS from my PC with some web service. not sure they even exist anymore. was like 15 years ago. |
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| 16:34.57 | jhutchins | Yeah, they're out there, mostly by subscription. I mean direct from the PC to the SMS network. |
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| 16:35.26 | jhutchins | There are fewer SMS services though, because everybody has email on their phone one way or another. |
| 16:35.44 | jhutchins | SMS was REALLY a big deal in Europe, but I think it's dying out there too. |
| 16:36.17 | jhutchins | EdePopede: Is that voice-over-ip? |
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| 16:39.30 | EdePopede | if you mean twinkle, http://twinkle.dolezel.info/ - the old hp says it is. |
| 16:39.30 | jelly | messaging is a huge market, and includes more than SMS these days |
| 16:39.57 | coconut | If i would change from ubuntu-mate to debian, which version should i download? |
| 16:40.00 | EdePopede | my phone had T9, SMS was a pita with that idiotic system |
| 16:42.59 | quadrathoch2 | jhutchins sms in the eu is more dead than in the US. kinda sad, as whatsapp is everywhere here |
| 16:43.28 | quadrathoch2 | coconut there is only 1 version. so go with that ;) |
| 16:44.35 | coconut | quadrathoch2, weren't there stable, unstable and experimental version? |
| 16:45.17 | quadrathoch2 | coconut oh you meant that. yeah still is, but I would start out with stable, as if you really want/need you can still upgrade |
| 16:46.27 | coconut | quadrathoch2, but what debian version will "have the same" packages as my ubuntu has now? |
| 16:46.50 | quadrathoch2 | coconut which version do you run? 20.04? 20.10? |
| 16:46.53 | quadrathoch2 | 18.04? |
| 16:49.45 | jelly | coconut: current debian release has software versions from early 2019/late 2018 + security patches; except for web browsers and some other bits |
| 16:50.02 | jelly | which are newer |
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| 16:51.28 | coconut | quadrathoch2, i am on 20.04.1 at the moment, and do not know when i will update to another. |
| 16:52.06 | quadrathoch2 | 20.04 has newer software, so you would theoretically "downgrade" but debian 11 comes out next year, so it will be newer ;) coconut |
| 16:52.57 | coconut | i see, then i will check when v11 is out :) |
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| 17:08.51 | sway | I'm new to Debian so apologies if this is well known - but will an ugrade from 10 to 11 require a re-install of the OS ? |
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| 17:10.03 | Haohmaru | define "re-install" |
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| 17:10.50 | sway | Backing up /home and user data and re-imaging w/ debian 11. |
| 17:11.06 | Haohmaru | you would probably wanna make backups |
| 17:11.40 | Haohmaru | but otherwise it would be like a normal upgrade, plus some tricky manouvers |
| 17:12.07 | Haohmaru | one of the tricky things is that your sources.list changes to point to the new debian places |
| 17:12.09 | jelly | sway: it won't, being able to upgrade in place is a major feature for Debian |
| 17:12.17 | Haohmaru | potentially a pile of packages are gonna be new versions |
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| 17:12.33 | sway | jelly, perfect. many thanks. |
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| 17:12.45 | jelly | you will however want to read the release notes and not do it blindly |
| 17:12.54 | sway | understood |
| 17:12.58 | Haohmaru | yes, read that stuff |
| 17:13.26 | Haohmaru | is 11 knocking on the door? |
| 17:13.37 | jelly | !wwbr |
| 17:13.37 | dpkg | hmm... wwbr is now Debian "Bullseye" is the current testing branch as of 2019-07-06 and it will be released "when it's ready." |
| 17:14.06 | jelly | !bullseye freeze |
| 17:14.07 | dpkg | The first steps of the <freeze> to release Debian 11 "Bullseye" will start on January 12, 2021. https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2020/11/msg00002.html |
| 17:14.18 | Haohmaru | ah |
| 17:14.49 | Haohmaru | freeze is when new things aren't added, but instead, the existing ones are supposedly polished and fixed |
| 17:14.52 | Haohmaru | right? |
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| 17:20.55 | jhutchins | He's gone, but that's right. |
| 17:21.25 | jhutchins | coconut: You really shouldn't expect ubuntu and debian to have the same packages, let alone the same versions. |
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| 17:31.54 | coconut | jhutchins, with the same i mean the newness vs. stability of apps |
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| 17:36.21 | jak2000 | hi |
| 17:36.30 | jak2000 | how to know which process uses port 3306 ? |
| 17:39.49 | nemo | jak2000: fuser -n tcp ? |
| 17:40.19 | nemo | $ sudo fuser -a -n tcp 3306 |
| 17:40.41 | nemo | hm. isn't 3306 maria? |
| 17:40.53 | nemo | oh look. you're in the maria channell too ð |
| 17:40.57 | nemo | *channel |
| 17:41.00 | coconut | jhutchins, you saying that debian and ubuntu have different packagers? (i am aware of that). |
| 17:41.04 | nemo | ps auwxf | grep maria ð |
| 17:41.12 | nemo | or mysql |
| 17:41.19 | lyubov | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:43.10 | jak2000 | YES MARIA AND MYSQL |
| 17:43.13 | jak2000 | sorry fo caps |
| 17:44.28 | nemo | heh our DBA at work always ends up being in all caps too ⺠I use capslock for XCompose myself, but there seems to be some SQL tradition of doing everything in uppercase |
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| 17:45.39 | tramplefoot | !dpkg xfdesktop |
| 17:45.51 | tramplefoot | uhh |
| 17:46.04 | tramplefoot | +dpkg xfdesktop/bullseye |
| 17:46.26 | tramplefoot | i keep forgetting the debhelper command |
| 17:47.14 | sney | what are you trying to do |
| 17:47.22 | FightingFalcon | Whats the best malware detection software for debian? |
| 17:48.05 | tramplefoot | there is only one in the official repositories |
| 17:48.09 | tramplefoot | clamav |
| 17:48.22 | nemo | tramplefoot: no snort ? |
| 17:48.28 | nemo | I guess IDS != malware detection |
| 17:48.34 | nemo | they kinda overlap tho |
| 17:48.54 | tramplefoot | well snort isn't an "antivirus" in layman's terms |
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| 17:49.14 | nemo | well he said malware detection, not AV |
| 17:49.18 | nemo | there's also rkhunter |
| 17:51.15 | tramplefoot | if you count the speciality tools there is more than a dozen |
| 17:51.25 | tramplefoot | chkrootkit, checksecurity |
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| 18:05.31 | jak2000 | nemo: https://bpa.st/SI4Q |
| 18:05.44 | jak2000 | can you see the result, please |
| 18:06.46 | nemo | jak2000: nothing is listening on tcp - try udp |
| 18:07.30 | jak2000 | nothing but see the line: 15 |
| 18:07.54 | nemo | jak2000: that's a formatted 46209 |
| 18:08.01 | nemo | you can see that by line 5 |
| 18:09.49 | jak2000 | https://bpa.st/Z7QA see please |
| 18:09.51 | jak2000 | strange |
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| 18:14.05 | jak2000 | nemo: https://bpa.st/4DFA |
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| 18:17.36 | nemo | jak2000: I don't know much about your program, but my suspicion is it is colliding with itself |
| 18:17.43 | nemo | jak2000: your start script is trying to run twice. or something |
| 18:17.48 | nemo | so when it exits, both are killed |
| 18:18.05 | nemo | jak2000: you'd probably see this if you ran the fuser in a separate shell in a loop |
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| 18:47.08 | alex11 | is setting chmod 1777 to /dev/shm considered good practice? it's what the messages advise you to do when running an electron program with no sandboxing |
| 18:47.36 | alex11 | if you try to run them normally (some of them, anyway) you get 'please set chmod 4755 to ...' which is a file in /tmp that doesn't exist |
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| 18:50.02 | sney | alex11: unless I'm mistaken, that's already the default for /dev/shm. |
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| 18:51.13 | sney | alex11: you could always create the requested file in /tmp and see what happens. touch /tmp/foo && chmod 4755 /tmp/foo |
| 18:51.27 | alex11 | oh, wow |
| 18:51.29 | alex11 | i never thought of that |
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| 18:54.43 | alex11 | hmm, it just spams me with different files that it asks me to chmod to 4755 |
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| 19:27.18 | netcrash | Hello |
| 19:27.55 | netcrash | I'm using debian buster , I downloaded the source for freeradius and it's 3.0.21 but the one installed is 3.0.17 , what can be the cause for the diference ( ran update and upgrade already ) |
| 19:28.19 | netcrash | ? |
| 19:28.34 | greycat | ,v freeradius |
| 19:28.35 | judd | Package: freeradius on amd64 -- jessie: 2.2.5+dfsg-0.2+deb8u1; jessie-security: 2.2.5+dfsg-0.2+deb8u1; stretch: 3.0.12+dfsg-5+deb9u1; stretch-security: 3.0.12+dfsg-5+deb9u1; buster: 3.0.17+dfsg-1.1; buster-backports: 3.0.21+dfsg-1~bpo10+1; bullseye: 3.0.21+dfsg-2+b2; sid: 3.0.21+dfsg-2+b2 |
| 19:29.02 | greycat | you either didn't get the source from a buster repository... or you didn't get the source from a repository, period |
| 19:29.28 | greycat | how did you download the source? |
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| 19:30.37 | netcrash | apt source xxxx |
| 19:31.05 | greycat | xxxx? really? |
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| 19:31.25 | greycat | perhaps you configured your sources.list to include deb-src lines for sid or bullseye, and forgot? |
| 19:31.32 | netcrash | apt source freeradius-ldap |
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| 19:32.03 | greycat | it's a common enough configuration for people who are building backports |
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| 19:32.54 | netcrash | thank you , I had lines below for backports and above did not had backports , two cases were present |
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| 19:45.49 | jhutchins | greycat: Looks like 3.0.17 is stretch/buster and 21 is buster backports, or am I reading that wrong? |
| 19:45.56 | NetTerminalGene | my buster checks updates auto and shows me notification. how can i disable auto update check? |
| 19:46.11 | greycat | ,v freeradius |
| 19:46.12 | judd | Package: freeradius on amd64 -- jessie: 2.2.5+dfsg-0.2+deb8u1; jessie-security: 2.2.5+dfsg-0.2+deb8u1; stretch: 3.0.12+dfsg-5+deb9u1; stretch-security: 3.0.12+dfsg-5+deb9u1; buster: 3.0.17+dfsg-1.1; buster-backports: 3.0.21+dfsg-1~bpo10+1; bullseye: 3.0.21+dfsg-2+b2; sid: 3.0.21+dfsg-2+b2 |
| 19:47.55 | mutante | ,v cowsay |
| 19:47.56 | judd | Package: cowsay on amd64 -- jessie: 3.03+dfsg1-10; stretch: 3.03+dfsg2-3; buster: 3.03+dfsg2-6; bullseye: 3.03+dfsg2-8; sid: 3.03+dfsg2-8 |
| 19:48.20 | greycat | very stable. |
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| 19:50.39 | mutante | but still some development, i guess it's about removing offensive cow "fonts" :p |
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| 20:02.27 | bauen1 | i'm currently trying to figure out how i can setup my own apt repo on a remote server while doing any security relevant signing offline (and trying to find a good tool for the job), as I understand the wiki and handbook, the Release file containing hashes of all packages is signed and later verified by apt-get install, but the signature of individual packages is never checked by apt-get ? |
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| 20:06.33 | mutante | bauen1: depends if there is "no-debsig" in /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg |
| 20:06.37 | mutante | https://blog.packagecloud.io/eng/2014/10/28/howto-gpg-sign-verify-deb-packages-apt-repositories/ |
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| 20:07.13 | mutante | bauen1: the tool to use to import packages into your repo would be "reprepro" |
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| 20:07.55 | bauen1 | mutante: but i still want to use debians normal repos so i'm required to have "no-debsig" ? |
| 20:08.52 | bauen1 | in that case i would probably want to run reprepro on my local machine to generate the entire repository and then rsync the result to my server ? |
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| 20:09.33 | mutante | bauen1: hmm. yes, that is true. but that file dpkg.cfg should just set defaults.. on the commandline you still user other options |
| 20:09.38 | mutante | can |
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| 20:10.11 | mutante | not sure, but it sounds like rsyncing data should work |
| 20:10.13 | bauen1 | mutante: ideally it would be as plug-and-play as it gets (add gpg key with apt-key, add repo to /etc/apt/sources.list.d/, apt-get install) |
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| 20:12.12 | mutante | bauen1: build a meta package that does that stuff ? if you can write it as bash script then you can just paste it into "postinst" I think |
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| 20:13.14 | bauen1 | mutante: rsync should work, does mean an additional (useless) copy but will work |
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| 20:21.06 | mutante | bauen1: so you could enable it in the default dpkg.config and then if you need it use --no-debsig to disable it on case by case basis. Then I was wondering how to tell apt.. but .. also "Note: debsigs are an early and long-disused signature method built into dpkg. They were superseded long, long ago by distros and apt." |
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| 20:21.41 | mutante | so maybe ignore that part and look just at "secure-apt" |
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| 20:58.48 | bauen1 | is there an easy way to find out what packages won't get installed if i disable installing recommends in the installer ? |
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| 21:00.32 | sney | you could probably get aptitude to print a full list of recommends of a given metapackage |
| 21:01.55 | sney | however, recommends are meant to be enabled in all but edge cases, so it's better to only disable it at the command line to get a specific result. otherwise you will be missing functionality in too many places. |
| 21:02.01 | sney | !why recommends |
| 21:02.02 | dpkg | From Debian 5.0 "Lenny" onwards, apt-get and aptitude both install "Recommended" packages by default. From <policy> section 7.2, Recommends, "declares a strong, but not absolute, dependency. The Recommends field should list packages that would be found together with this one in all but unusual installations." You're not that unusual, trust us. By not installing "recommended" packages you will be missing functionality. |
| 21:03.10 | bauen1 | sney: thanks, i know which is why i was trying to find if i was going to remove anything important (for my case) first |
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| 21:16.01 | bauen1 | is there a nice way of excluding certain packages from installation, even if the package is marked as `important` (yes i know what i'm doing), or maybe a way of not installing packages marked as `important` at all ? (then i can "manuall" add the once i need) |
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| 21:17.24 | jhutchins | bauen1: Well, one way is to not install anything. |
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| 21:17.57 | bauen1 | jhutchins: i don't know, i would like to have my standard text editor ed installed |
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| 21:18.36 | bauen1 | the use case is to not install ifupdown since later systemd-networkd will be used and it is incompatible with my security policy that is supposed to be setup in the installer |
| 21:19.19 | jhutchins | bauen1: Having software installed doesn't mean you have to use it. |
| 21:20.14 | bauen1 | jhutchins: that isn't entirely true, since some things will still try to run (and will be prevented by the security policy, leading to very annoying log messages or in the worst case failure to boot) |
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| 21:33.42 | rander2 | hello |
| 21:34.19 | unixbsd | I disk put partition to 63 (linux hurd gnu) and did mkfs.xfs -f /dev/sdb5 ;) it works fine. |
| 21:34.33 | rander2 | ifconfig wlan0 up |
| 21:34.36 | rander2 | SIOCSIFFLAGS: Operation not possible due to RF-kill |
| 21:35.02 | rander2 | I rebooted the machine , but it's the same. What is this ? |
| 21:36.48 | sney | rander2: hardware wifi switch or fn-key? |
| 21:37.25 | sney | you can also try e.g. 'rfkill unblock wlan0' |
| 21:38.06 | sney | or see rfkill list to get the actual id |
| 21:38.08 | rander2 | it's the same , dont change nothing. It's the first time do it in about 3 years |
| 21:38.30 | rander2 | Fn + F2 here, but nothing to do |
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| 21:40.14 | sney | check if it's disabled in the bios/efi |
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| 21:43.36 | rander2 | sney, ok problem solved, Fn+F2 and after ifconfig wlan0 up. |
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| 21:48.09 | agiofws | hello |
| 21:48.30 | agiofws | how do i install a mouse in console mode ? |
| 21:49.10 | agiofws | i need to copy paste i have no X yet |
| 21:49.16 | jmcnaught | agiofws: try the gpm package |
| 21:49.34 | agiofws | i installed buster on my laptop and x hangs |
| 21:49.42 | agiofws | ok |
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| 21:51.10 | agiofws | Cannot run in framebuffer mode. Please specify busIDs for all framebuffer devices i have an intergrated gpu on my cpu chip amd 4500u |
| 21:51.45 | agiofws | can i check something in X or configure X ? |
| 21:51.45 | sney | if you are trying to copy/paste in config files, nano has ctrl+k and ctrl+u. if you need to make pastebins, you can use termbin from the command line: |
| 21:51.48 | sney | !termbin |
| 21:51.48 | dpkg | you can paste to termbin.com from terminal via: cat /path/to/file | nc termbin.com 9999 |
| 21:53.02 | agiofws | E: Unable to locate package termbin |
| 21:53.47 | phorce1 | So, I pulled an old system out of the closet with some websites I wanted to toss back up. It's running **SQUEEZE**. What's the best way to upgrade it since all the keys are expired? |
| 21:53.54 | nkuttler | agiofws: see what dpkg said |
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| 21:54.03 | sney | agiofws: the only package you need for termbin is netcat-traditional, see dpkg's message |
| 21:54.31 | agiofws | ~https://termbin.com/qcyl |
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| 21:56.09 | agiofws | any pointers on how to get X up on a amd intergrated gpu? |
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| 21:56.51 | sney | agiofws: we would need more of the X log than that |
| 21:56.53 | sney | ... |
| 21:57.01 | nkuttler | agiofws: fwiw, i just resurrected an old laptop with such a gpu, didn't get x to work, but wayland works.. |
| 21:57.36 | rander2 | nothing |
| 21:58.33 | rander2 | wlan0 go on, but it's not visible by NM |
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| 21:59.10 | sney | rander2: is wlan0 in /etc/network/interfaces? n-m will ignore interfaces configured there. |
| 21:59.15 | agiofws | did i miss aything ? |
| 21:59.25 | sney | agiofws: we would need the whole X log to determine the problem, not just the end of it |
| 21:59.27 | agiofws | cannot scroll up |
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| 21:59.58 | agiofws | sney: the Xorg.log.0 ? |
| 22:00.04 | sney | agiofws: yes |
| 22:00.09 | agiofws | ok |
| 22:00.17 | rander2 | no it isnt |
| 22:00.19 | jhutchins | !amd |
| 22:00.20 | dpkg | Advanced Micro Devices is a semiconductor manufacturer. For support of ATI/AMD graphics hardware, ask me about <ati>. See also <amd64>, <coolnquiet>, <k7>. |
| 22:01.04 | agiofws | https://termbin.com/dapi sney |
| 22:01.27 | sney | agiofws: you need firmware-amd-graphics |
| 22:02.02 | agiofws | is in the repo can i install it through apt ? |
| 22:02.07 | agiofws | is it* |
| 22:02.09 | sney | yes, you just need to enable non-free |
| 22:02.12 | sney | !non-free sources |
| 22:02.13 | dpkg | Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then «apt-get update». But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>. |
| 22:02.51 | jhutchins | agiofws: amd/ati make a LOT of different graphics devices, so we need to know which one it actually. Boot to multiuser.target, log in as root, and do an lspci -nn. Give use the 8 character PCIID for the "VGA" adapter. |
| 22:02.59 | agiofws | this net install is a nofree firmware version but i don't know if i need to edit my soources? |
| 22:03.10 | sney | jhutchins: lag? |
| 22:03.44 | sney | agiofws: if you used the non-free installer then you probably don't need to edit sources, try installing the package |
| 22:03.48 | rander2 | sney, http://paste.debian.net/1175649/ |
| 22:03.56 | agiofws | jhutchins: kk |
| 22:03.56 | jhutchins | Possibly, am I issing it in ths SB? |
| 22:04.09 | rander2 | so wifi dont go |
| 22:04.32 | sney | agiofws: you don't need to do what jhutchins said, the X log provided that information |
| 22:04.38 | moldorcoder7 | what is the best way to get the ip of an host without dig |
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| 22:05.09 | moldorcoder7 | host is not package in debian anymnore right ? |
| 22:05.21 | sney | ,file bin/host |
| 22:05.21 | jhutchins | Ah. |
| 22:05.26 | judd | Search for bin/host in buster/amd64: bind9-host: usr/bin/host |
| 22:05.40 | agiofws | E: Package 'firmware-amd-graphics' has no installation candidate |
| 22:05.43 | jhutchins | sney: I haven't done it that way before. Didn't know it was there. |
| 22:06.06 | jhutchins | agiofws: Proceed to follow sney. I will lurk back and learn. |
| 22:06.15 | sney | jhutchins: in any case, the fact that X is trying to load the radeon driver is enough information, and all 3 amd drivers have their blobs in firmware-amd-graphics |
| 22:06.19 | agiofws | maybe i need to edit soources |
| 22:06.19 | agiofws | ? |
| 22:06.30 | sney | agiofws: yes |
| 22:07.04 | dvs | agiofws: <dpkg> Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then «apt-get update». But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>. |
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| 22:08.24 | agiofws | ok sec |
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| 22:11.31 | agiofws | sney: like that https://termbin.com/9chd ? |
| 22:11.57 | sney | yes |
| 22:12.37 | agiofws | ok downloading it |
| 22:12.53 | agiofws | will i have to reconfigure x ? or just reboot? |
| 22:13.36 | agiofws | or edit xorg the xorg file if thats what they still use i thought is was decaprecated? |
| 22:13.55 | sney | just reboot, it will load automatically |
| 22:14.03 | agiofws | ok |
| 22:14.20 | agiofws | testing it and thank you for all the tips |
| 22:14.28 | agiofws | :) |
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| 22:20.43 | agiofws | sney no luck would you like a termbin of xorg again? |
| 22:20.57 | sney | ok |
| 22:21.47 | ctcx | I accidentally used the command "xxd" aline without parameters as root user, because I was trying to read a file inside /sys/firmware, but I mis-hit the enter key before. |
| 22:21.51 | agiofws | https://termbin.com/1ife |
| 22:21.51 | ctcx | Is this dangerous? |
| 22:22.14 | ctcx | *alone |
| 22:22.28 | sney | ctcx: no more dangerous than something like cat or gzip |
| 22:23.15 | agiofws | does X need internet to work? |
| 22:23.21 | greycat | no |
| 22:23.30 | agiofws | ok |
| 22:23.48 | sney | agiofws: can you pastebin your 'dmesg' as well? |
| 22:24.02 | agiofws | ok |
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| 22:24.17 | mrkramps | i do not think buster alreadey ships firmware for an amd ryzen 5 4500U apu |
| 22:25.08 | ctcx | sney: so, even as root user, by issuing the command alone it'll just wait for keyboard input to process, but I'll not be hacked just for that, right? |
| 22:25.24 | agiofws | https://termbin.com/rw14 |
| 22:26.35 | sney | mrkramps: good catch, I didn't notice how new the device was. |
| 22:26.39 | mrkramps | i guess agiofws will need firmware from backports |
| 22:26.53 | sney | kernel and firmware from backports, most likely |
| 22:27.25 | mrkramps | cannot find renoir firmware in backports |
| 22:27.45 | agiofws | renior? |
| 22:27.46 | sney | ,v firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 22:27.47 | judd | Package: firmware-linux-nonfree on amd64 -- jessie/non-free: 0.43; jessie-security/non-free: 20161130-5~deb8u1; stretch/non-free: 20161130-5; stretch-backports/non-free: 20190114-2~bpo9+1; buster/non-free: 20190114-2; buster-backports/non-free: 20200918-1~bpo10+1; bullseye/non-free: 20200918-1; sid/non-free: 20200918-1 |
| 22:28.14 | sney | buster-backport's firmware dump is from september so that should be current enough for a cpu that came out in march. |
| 22:28.29 | ctcx | ?? |
| 22:28.43 | sney | agiofws: enable buster-backports, then apt -t buster-backports install linux-image-amd64 firmware-amd-graphics |
| 22:28.45 | mrkramps | stupid me, checked the wrong package :) |
| 22:28.46 | sney | !buster-backports |
| 22:28.47 | dpkg | Some packages intended for Bullseye (Debian 11) but recompiled for use with Buster (Debian 10) can be found in the buster-backports repository. See http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ . Ask me about <bdo>, <backports>. |
| 22:29.03 | mrkramps | firmware from backports has renoir blobs |
| 22:29.33 | mrkramps | https://packages.debian.org/buster-backports/firmware-amd-graphics |
| 22:29.48 | agiofws | enable them in sources.list? |
| 22:29.59 | greycat | read the Instructions link for backports |
| 22:30.02 | sney | agiofws: yes, see the link in dpkg's message above |
| 22:30.32 | ctcx | So, even as root user, by issuing the command alone it'll just wait for keyboard input to process, but I'll not be hacked just for that, right? |
| 22:30.40 | agiofws | i hope i can read it through lynx |
| 22:30.45 | agiofws | ? |
| 22:30.56 | agiofws | !bdo |
| 22:30.56 | dpkg | backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable (see <buster backports>) and oldstable (<stretch backports>) distributions, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <bdo xorg> <bdo NEW>. |
| 22:30.57 | sney | ctcx: yes |
| 22:31.14 | sney | agiofws: add this to sources.list: deb http://deb.debian.org/debian buster-backports main |
| 22:31.31 | ctcx | thanks |
| 22:33.01 | dvs | no contrib for firmware? |
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| 22:34.10 | sney | dvs: righto |
| 22:34.20 | sney | agiofws: with 'contrib non-free' on the end of that one too |
| 22:35.00 | greycat | and read the Instructions link because you can't just use "apt install pkgname" |
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| 22:42.23 | agiofws | ok added and updated do i install renoir ? |
| 22:42.35 | agiofws | is there such a package ? |
| 22:42.41 | sney | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:43.04 | sney | renoir is the codename of your cpu, the firmware-amd-graphics package has support for it along with many others |
| 22:43.17 | agiofws | kk |
| 22:45.06 | agiofws | ok its installing |
| 22:45.17 | agiofws | would i reboot after this? |
| 22:45.21 | mrkramps | yes |
| 22:45.36 | greycat | you always have to reboot for a new kernel to be used |
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| 22:46.10 | sney | they've been promising kexec live kernel updates for over a decade now. I wonder if it'll ever materialize |
| 22:46.20 | mrkramps | ^^ |
| 22:46.30 | greycat | probably not |
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| 22:50.21 | agiofws | ok sney that worked :) |
| 22:50.28 | sney | great! |
| 22:50.40 | agiofws | great for you |
| 22:50.42 | dvs | booo! |
| 22:51.04 | agiofws | do these dialogues get logged anywhere? |
| 22:51.12 | greycat | !irc log |
| 22:51.22 | agiofws | incase i have to repeat the steps |
| 22:51.27 | greycat | !irclog |
| 22:51.27 | dpkg | rumour has it, irclog is #debian on <freenode> is logged at http://ibot.rikers.org/%23debian/ , #debian on <OFTC> is logged at http://irclogs.thegrebs.com/debian/ |
| 22:52.08 | greycat | if you exited out of your root shell cleanly before rebooting, they should be in root's .bash_history as well |
| 22:52.43 | greycat | or if you used sudo as yourself, then in YOUR .bash_history, again only if you exited the shell cleanly |
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| 23:01.00 | greycat | there's also /var/log/dpkg.log |
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| 23:08.02 | cluelessperson | question, I'm having trouble using debian's archvsync |
| 23:08.09 | cluelessperson | I'm using it in docker and it just exits |
| 23:08.48 | cluelessperson | tries again |
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| 23:17.12 | cluelessperson | # ftpsync --help |
| 23:17.13 | cluelessperson | Segmentation fault (core dumped) |
| 23:17.33 | greycat | file a bug report |
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| 23:20.05 | cluelessperson | gmail isn't an allowed domain for registration |
| 23:20.39 | greycat | reg-what? |
| 23:20.46 | greycat | a bug report is an email. send an email. |
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| 23:20.55 | greycat | there is no "registration" |
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