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| 02:07.19 | sponix | ,v zfs-dkms |
| 02:07.20 | judd | Package: zfs-dkms on amd64 -- stretch/contrib: 0.6.5.9-5; stretch-backports/contrib: 0.7.12-2+deb10u1~bpo9+1; buster/contrib: 0.7.12-2+deb10u2; stretch-backports-sloppy/contrib: 0.7.13-1~bpo9+1; buster-backports/contrib: 0.8.5-2~bpo10+1; bullseye/contrib: 0.8.5-2; sid/contrib: 0.8.5-2 |
| 02:08.29 | sney | openzfs upstream released 2.0 a couple days ago, I'm sure it won't be long until it's in sid |
| 02:08.56 | sponix | sney: Yeah, I've been keeping my eye out |
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| 02:09.21 | sponix | sney: have a question for you... Do you know if Nvidia 450.80.02 works well with kernel 5.9 branch ? |
| 02:09.31 | sponix | sney: I've seen mixed reports on the interwebs about it |
| 02:09.52 | sney | it "works well" in the sense that it builds, and you can play games, and the performance is fine |
| 02:10.06 | sney | but it doesn't have the fix for the cuda/opencl stuff yet. that will be a big headline when it happens |
| 02:12.59 | sponix | sney: Yes.. see I use NVENC for transcoding/encoding with Plex and OBS -- and thought I saw where that might break with 5.9 |
| 02:15.43 | alexrelis[m] | Should I use btrfs? Or should I stick with EXT4? I heard that btrfs allows for snapshots which sounds like a handy feature before critical upgrades but I also heard that snapshots are not backups. I'm still not sure what's the difference. |
| 02:16.06 | sney | sponix: that would be worth testing. I haven't seen any support questions about transcoding on 5.9 with nvidia-current, so I suspect it does work |
| 02:16.46 | sney | alexrelis[m]: correct, snapshots are not backups, they are more like an 'undo' feature on your filesystem |
| 02:17.48 | sponix | sney: well, I might step my kernel up to 5.9 to try it. But I am NOT attempting Nvidia 455.45.01 again -- That Nvidia doesn't play well with my 960 and cost me a re-install to get rid of it last time :P |
| 02:17.54 | alexrelis[m] | sney: but if I made a snapshot to an external storage medium, wouldn't that be as good as a backup? |
| 02:18.16 | sney | alexrelis[m]: I'm not sure how btrfs snapshots work, but possibly |
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| 02:19.30 | quadrathoch2 | alexrelis[m] sadly for now, there is no way of reusing snapshots which you btrfs send/receive. it's in the works. so for now, you can only mount them ro, and then copy files over |
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| 02:22.53 | alexrelis[m] | quadrathoch2: sney Thanks. One more question, if I had LVM configured, wouldn't I basically have the exact same functions as btrfs with snapshots? Or is there something I'm missing? |
| 02:24.33 | sney | you wouldn't have the copy-on-write stuff but in practical terms, it may not matter |
| 02:24.57 | sney | all of this stuff is just tools, pick the tool that makes sense for you and your system and your environment |
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| 02:29.35 | sney | ext4 (with or without lvm) is the debian installer's default for a reason. it'll be just fine for the majority of systems, yours included, probably. so unless you see a feature of btrfs that you're reasonably certain would make your life better, you may as well stick with what you have |
| 02:29.43 | sney | but on the other hand, if something seems cool, why not try it? |
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| 02:36.42 | FightingFalcon | Whats the easiest way to block entire chinese ip's from my server? |
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| 02:38.19 | sney | FightingFalcon: I got this last month from someone in ##mikrotik, https://github.com/drmessano/firewall-ip-blocking |
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| 02:39.28 | sney | cleanest approach is probably with ipset, |
| 02:39.30 | sney | ,i ipset |
| 02:39.31 | judd | Package ipset (net, optional) in buster/amd64: administration tool for kernel IP sets. Version: 6.38-1.2; Size: 49.5k; Installed: 150k; Homepage: http://ipset.netfilter.org/ |
| 02:39.48 | FightingFalcon | ok |
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| 08:15.22 | SpungeBob | debian smells |
| 08:15.43 | SpungeBob | debian smells debian smells debian smells debian smells debian smells debian smells debian smells debian smells debian smells debian smells debian smells debian smells debian smells debian smells debian smells debian smells debian smells debian smells debian smells debian smells debian smells debian smells debian smells debian smells debian smells debian smells debian smells debian smells debian |
| 08:16.08 | derpadmin | SpungeBob, smells. |
| 08:16.38 | derpadmin | snet from a debian box. very stable, also run on the ISS |
| 08:16.45 | derpadmin | *sent |
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| 08:18.37 | timur_davletshin | SpungeBob, just use *BSD. |
| 08:18.52 | SpungeBob | are you a pervert? |
| 08:19.18 | SpungeBob | you have the mental illness of bsdm? |
| 08:19.33 | SpungeBob | i will have you eliminated by the gas chamber. |
| 08:19.40 | SpungeBob | you is a defective. heil germany |
| 08:20.07 | SpungeBob | timur_davletshin is a mental defective |
| 08:20.12 | SpungeBob | heil germany |
| 08:20.20 | dax | dpkg: ops SpungeBob |
| 08:20.20 | SpungeBob | !ops |
| 08:20.20 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall, bremner: dax complains about a problem (see above) |
| 08:20.31 | SpungeBob | remove the defective |
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| 08:21.58 | SpungeBob | dax, don't you wish you still had staff powers? |
| 08:22.04 | dax | SpungeBob: not at all :) |
| 08:22.09 | SpungeBob | really? |
| 08:22.19 | dax | really. i'm much happier now than i was a year ago. |
| 08:22.37 | SpungeBob | why? did I stress you out too much? |
| 08:23.03 | dax | Nope, nothing to do with any of y'all. |
| 08:24.31 | ratrace | dax: you were an op? oh yeah, I remember, in #ubuntu, right? |
| 08:24.45 | dax | ratrace: i was a freenode staffer. I was and am an op in #ubuntu too, yes. |
| 08:24.46 | SpungeBob | ratrace: dax was network staff |
| 08:25.17 | SpungeBob | that reminds me. i totally forgot about #ubuntu. they have not been graced with my presence in many moons |
| 08:25.38 | ratrace | dax: oh right. and you never learned not to talk back to trolls? ;) |
| 08:25.58 | SpungeBob | ratrace: I am not a troll. I am a hacker. I only troll when I am bored |
| 08:26.43 | dax | ratrace: welcome to freenode, they call it "catalyzing" |
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| 08:27.04 | EdePopede | "i'm not a troll, but i troll." - reminds me of something, only of what :D |
| 08:27.19 | nkuttler | "i'm not a racist but" |
| 08:27.24 | ratrace | oh yeah that |
| 08:27.35 | SpungeBob | Let's discuss a more on topic subject such as which linux distro is the dumbest |
| 08:27.40 | SpungeBob | i vote archlinux |
| 08:27.40 | EdePopede | isn't there even a page on FN's website on catalyzing? |
| 08:27.55 | oiaohm | really when I hear only troll when bored comes really tempting to add person to auto ban list for the channels I am op in. |
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| 08:28.30 | ratrace | one advantage of not being an op is you can put morons on /ignore :) |
| 08:28.44 | mutante | SpungeBob: Linspire? |
| 08:28.51 | SpungeBob | oiaohm: go ahead. literally none of my identifying parameters are static. |
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| 08:29.20 | SpungeBob | ratrace: does your client disable /ignore when you have a hat on? |
| 08:30.22 | EdePopede | being able to ignore morons in real life helps avoiding client side /ignore ;) |
| 08:30.42 | oiaohm | No point SpungeBob if you know ratrace as soon has he writen something like that you are already on the list. |
| 08:31.27 | EdePopede | SpungeBob, ##linux may be a better channel for interdistro topics, most people here may use debian most of the time. |
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| 08:32.19 | oiaohm | Distro wars topics in distrobution channels is classed as off topic by freenode ops so can be network kline. |
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| 08:33.38 | SpungeBob | but debian is a dumpster fire. way too weak. Windows 95 is a more secure operating system than debian. I know this because 48% of debian code contributions originate from users who are agents of the government |
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| 08:34.11 | mutante | SpungeBob: get on too hacking. it's boring us |
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| 08:34.38 | sponix | hmm |
| 08:35.23 | ratrace | la de da! |
| 08:35.38 | oiaohm | SpungeBob https://freenode.net/changuide "Avoid advocacy debates." This is not a open off topic channel. The network does have rules. |
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| 08:37.17 | SpungeBob | oiaohm: I will not debate you in open channel, it is a recipe for a ban on both ends. If you wish to attempt debate, I will wipe the floor with you - but only in PM |
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| 08:46.02 | oiaohm | SpungeBob: To be correct those rules if you read freenode polices also cover PM. I find it funny that on the chosen topics you would want a debate with me over it. The fact you cannot choose the right channel on freenode for the debate shows pure incompetence off the start line. So I have won before we even started. |
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| 08:59.51 | unixbsd | hello |
| 09:00.02 | unixbsd | is there an opensource VOIP client for SIP on debian? |
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| 09:01.12 | mutante | ,linphone |
| 09:01.29 | mutante | unixbsd: linphone - SIP softphone - graphical client |
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| 09:01.40 | unixbsd | linephone is closed source project |
| 09:01.43 | diogenes_ | v, linphone |
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| 09:02.21 | mutante | ehm.. but I see the package and it's not from nonfree? |
| 09:02.55 | unixbsd | closed source even a little bit is close source. evilish. what about Kphone? |
| 09:03.50 | mutante | what do you mean is closed? even linphone.org has "open source" on it right under the logo |
| 09:04.01 | unixbsd | what else than linphone? |
| 09:04.16 | unixbsd | and also, if you are both in a NAT, how does it work? |
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| 09:05.27 | mutante | unixbsd: Jitsi? |
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| 09:06.10 | unixbsd | jitsi webpage looks very commercial as well... like zoom a bit. |
| 09:06.44 | unixbsd | jitsi is also funded on appÃle, fb,.. google.. |
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| 09:17.00 | jelly | ,v linphone |
| 09:17.01 | judd | Package: linphone on amd64 -- jessie: 3.6.1-2.4+b1; stretch: 3.6.1-3; buster: 3.12.0-3; sid: 3.12.0-3.1 |
| 09:17.19 | jelly | unixbsd: if it were closed source it wouldn't be able to enter Debian |
| 09:17.20 | lbr | Hi. Is there an ETA for 10.7 ISOs ? |
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| 09:20.23 | jelly | unixbsd: https://sources.debian.org/src/linphone/3.12.0-3.1/debian/copyright/ shows it's various GPL, LGPL, BSD and BSD-alike, and a bit of CC-SA-3 |
| 09:23.34 | jelly | unixbsd: are you using a different definition for what's an open source licence from Debian? |
| 09:23.37 | jelly | !dfsg |
| 09:23.37 | dpkg | DFSG is the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which are explained at http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines . For a full list of DFSG-compatible/incompatible software licenses, see http://wiki.debian.org/DFSGLicenses |
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| 09:47.39 | ratrace | oiaohm: got 'em! :) |
| 09:49.03 | ratrace | unixbsd: open source != libre, and it seems you're confusing the two. code may be open (sourced) but locked down with tight conditions and restrictions. or it can be open (sourced) AND libre ala GPL, copylefts, etc... |
| 09:52.21 | jelly | and definitions for "open source" for OSI were initially pretty much copied from DFSG |
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| 09:57.50 | oiaohm | jelly: wrong direction. |
| 09:58.15 | jelly | that was for unixbsd, not the troll you dealt with |
| 09:58.48 | oiaohm | jelly: DFSG comes from the Free Software Foundation's Free Software Definition. OSI was based off the same thing with alterations. |
| 09:59.10 | oiaohm | FSF to DFSG and OSI. |
| 09:59.46 | oiaohm | Having a common parrent of course DFSG and OSI look simular. |
| 10:00.06 | jelly | oiaohm: I didn't even say anything about FSF, but IIRC Perens cloned initial OSI rules from DFSG almost verbatim |
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| 10:01.36 | oiaohm | jelly: early DFSG rules were verbatim FSF. |
| 10:01.55 | oiaohm | Perens takes from FSF hand he stated so. |
| 10:02.03 | unixbsd | ratrace: I dont want to use opensource soft that it is not fully libre or free freedom. |
| 10:02.54 | jelly | I don't remember it that way ;-) but I'll take your word for it because my memory is crap |
| 10:03.20 | unixbsd | all those terms are so much confusing actually |
| 10:03.26 | jelly | unixbsd: which particular definition are you using, then, FSF? |
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| 10:04.18 | unixbsd | I dont know which one is right one ;) I try to use source code that is fully free, with source code and clean website, not for commercial use on other IBMs, Apples,... spoiling the code. |
| 10:05.04 | jelly | you do realize enforcing "not for commercial use" would MAKE software non-free? |
| 10:05.54 | unixbsd | i understand nothing any longer. I need to read above longer. ... btw there is also this FOSS terms. man, so much terming |
| 10:06.24 | unixbsd | when you think, libreoffice is not libre |
| 10:06.40 | unixbsd | it comes from staroffice ... which was originally closed. |
| 10:07.17 | unixbsd | same story for QT, it was firm closed company that developed it. |
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| 10:10.33 | themill | oiaohm: you might like to read https://opensource.org/history "The Open Source Definition was then created during the launch of the OSI in Feb. 1998 by revising the DFSG and removing Debian-specific references." |
| 10:11.22 | unixbsd | ok, thank you. I will need to read that. |
| 10:11.29 | themill | (not that any of this has anything to do with Debian user support) |
| 10:12.17 | unixbsd | indeed, or in some extends, debian is said to closely focus on given foss , opensource whatever is right term. (in main branch). |
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| 10:14.16 | oiaohm | unixbsd: Not for commercial use is never a practical license. Stupid things come commercial use like writing a email to your boss. |
| 10:15.30 | unixbsd | This is a great mean, really. commercial leads to nowhere. luckily this debian was created/"invented" |
| 10:16.17 | jelly | I use Debian for commercial use with great success, if it did not allow it, I'd use something else |
| 10:16.54 | ratrace | same here. and lets not forget that the ability to use FOSS commercially is #1 reason it still exists and didn't die as the devs lost free time interest and got a job :) |
| 10:17.00 | unixbsd | The most important is that people are likely to give their source code and to "source" contribute. |
| 10:17.43 | jelly | unixbsd: the most important thing for me is to bring bread to the tablel being able to use it with free tools is nice but secondary |
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| 10:18.02 | oiaohm | Being paid to support that code due to commercial use does help. Of course license like GPL saying you must/should release source has it place. |
| 10:18.31 | oiaohm | Commerical use is one of those things that can help open source development. |
| 10:18.47 | oiaohm | think of all the work valve is funding because its in their commerical usage direction. |
| 10:18.49 | ratrace | oiaohm: only if you redistribute. imporant distinction |
| 10:18.49 | unixbsd | I understand, you are lucky to have chance to use linux |
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| 10:19.34 | jelly | arguably GPL2 is a large part why Linux is the only remaining unix-like system BECAUSE it was possible to profit from using it |
| 10:19.40 | unixbsd | If there is no source code, there is no value, because you have binaries. Binaries are lost after decades, while we move to other archs, |
| 10:20.02 | unixbsd | soon or later, bill gates will remove Bios, and we will have to figure out how to run linux on intel.. |
| 10:20.24 | jelly | blinks |
| 10:20.30 | unixbsd | *bill empire |
| 10:20.47 | ratrace | they already removed bios long time ago. it's EFI these days all the way. |
| 10:20.54 | jelly | unixbsd: then you don't want to know how closed UEFI is. |
| 10:21.31 | unixbsd | On some web, they mentioned to have no single access. that would be bad or loooking like an android jail |
| 10:21.35 | ratrace | intel is dead. long live ARM. Apple made sure of that. |
| 10:21.38 | oiaohm | Or how buggy EFI is. |
| 10:21.48 | unixbsd | gpt efi is hell |
| 10:21.51 | EdePopede | or we move away from intel(igene agency driven) crap |
| 10:22.01 | oiaohm | ARM could end up dead as well. |
| 10:22.09 | oiaohm | Its going to be interessting to watch risc-v play out. |
| 10:22.12 | EdePopede | bios itself wasn't better in the past, at least the implementation |
| 10:22.24 | ratrace | oiaohm: sure, if any asteroid wipes out the planet, ARM could end up dead. |
| 10:22.33 | EdePopede | just check how many bits the standard reserved for the number of HDD cylinders. |
| 10:22.38 | oiaohm | ratrace: Nvidia buying arm. |
| 10:22.46 | oiaohm | So pricing could end up horrible bad. |
| 10:22.51 | ratrace | oiaohm: Apple buying nvidia. |
| 10:22.52 | EdePopede | or even the embarassing typos in the BIOS screens. |
| 10:22.54 | unixbsd | asus was on good way to try to get into opensource, until this did go far. |
| 10:23.37 | ratrace | oiaohm: it's a game of chess. neither arm or x86_64 are going away any soon. Intel HAS become irrelevant though, with ARM and AMD (x86) taking center stage |
| 10:23.39 | unixbsd | it would save us if all could be opensource bios... why not making our own boards? |
| 10:24.04 | ratrace | unixbsd: we can: see coreboot + riscV |
| 10:24.23 | ratrace | also... IBM's Power9, Power10 is very open. |
| 10:24.25 | unixbsd | i heard about it on netbsd. ... it seems to never achieve any where. |
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| 10:24.40 | oiaohm | AMD is talking about opening up more of their firmware stuff we will have to see where that goes. |
| 10:24.59 | oiaohm | we have the Linuxboot stuff. |
| 10:25.56 | oiaohm | https://www.linuxboot.org/ comes out of facebook having bad vendor made UEFI implementations. |
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| 10:28.55 | EdePopede | from VEGABoard: EU Customers Will be linked to the regional Amazon location |
| 10:29.35 | EdePopede | and i bet alternatives also aren't available in the usual sources? |
| 10:31.05 | unixbsd | EdePopede: what does it mean? it heards pretty bad... Amazon brrr... |
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| 10:33.10 | EdePopede | unixbsd: not even the usual amazon bashing... but accidentally i've zapped into some tv shopping. this time a lamp for the outer wall of your house. stalked it a bit, read some comments on A*. ordered, prime customer, came next day, fine. had to return it on their own to austria. |
| 10:35.15 | EdePopede | they really could sell such hardware on geekstuff and similar sites. and maybe some smaller shops, but this would be a lot of overhead ofc. still would be nice to be able to buy a computer with preinstalled debian. or with a preseed fitting the exact hardware. insert stick, boot, and let the chickens check the keyboard. |
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| 10:36.19 | unixbsd | ... and all being legal. ;) |
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| 10:46.39 | EdePopede | i should have some debian disks i paid for. the bookshop isn't in town anymore, can't find anything on their website. but iirc the project made â¬10 per sold copy. |
| 10:49.13 | EdePopede | the era of bundles seems to be over? no more books coming with optical media (or rather thumbdrives these days)? |
| 10:50.05 | t3st3r | <oiaohm> AMD is talking about opening up more of their firmware stuff <- Like what? And still, x86 isn't really open thing. Not even ISA. |
| 10:50.40 | t3st3r | Not one stands to try to create own MoBo like that's it possible with ARM SoCs and some others - without crap NDAs and so on. |
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| 10:53.50 | rendar | i have just installed debian buster into an intel nuc, and i get this: https://bpa.st/LPHQ -- why? it seems the kernel compiled and installed into the debian netinst hasn't that flag systemd needs? but systemd also was inside the debian package.. how come? |
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| 10:54.46 | lbr | rendar, do you have Secure Boot turned on by any chance? |
| 10:55.04 | rendar | it's a NUC, i don't know if it has even a bios |
| 10:55.33 | lbr | Have you considered RTFM? |
| 10:55.45 | rendar | i have, but i couldn't find anything |
| 10:55.53 | rendar | lbr: do you think it's Secure Boot? |
| 10:56.30 | lbr | rendar, run `dmesg | grep Lockdown` |
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| 10:57.26 | rendar | https://bpa.st/6D3Q |
| 10:57.51 | lbr | Well, there is an answer. |
| 10:58.54 | rendar | can you tell me? |
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| 11:00.32 | lbr | Yes, you have Secure Boot enabled and therefore Debian enforces kernel lockdown mode. Please read the links from your `dmesg` output. |
| 11:00.54 | rendar | ok |
| 11:02.22 | rendar | lbr: do you think i should disable secure boot? |
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| 11:05.38 | lbr | How would I know? Without any further information, I would suggest you to keep it on. |
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| 11:12.29 | Franciman | hi, sney I bring news |
| 11:12.59 | Franciman | I found ubuntu's 4.18 kernel to not work properly |
| 11:13.29 | rendar | lbr: the fact that the linux kernel is in lockdown, could be a problem? or i can use the system even with kernel in lockdown? |
| 11:13.45 | Franciman | now I'm proceding to diffing and patching till it works ^^' |
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| 11:15.22 | lbr | rendar, please read this: https://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/55105.html. Debian runs in the "integrity" mode by default. |
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| 11:17.24 | wisbit | hello guys, quick feel of the room, I started using plex for multimedia server: it's real nice for movies and tv shows !!! amazing... |
| 11:17.38 | rendar | lbr: ok |
| 11:17.42 | wisbit | however pictures wise, the "organising" bit is lacking a little |
| 11:17.43 | rendar | is it useful unattended-upgrades package? |
| 11:18.09 | wisbit | any good suggestions ? and what do you guys use for music streaming server, if u use any |
| 11:18.10 | lbr | Yes. |
| 11:18.18 | Franciman | wisbit, yes |
| 11:18.50 | Franciman | one moment I can't remember the name |
| 11:19.07 | wisbit | Franciman, thanks for that :D " hey mate, beer or wine ? ..." ... "yeah sure" ... |
| 11:19.17 | Franciman | jellyfin |
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| 11:19.25 | wisbit | i heard of that |
| 11:19.29 | wisbit | what do you use it for ? |
| 11:19.44 | Franciman | I suggest jellyfin as an alternative for plex. The only problem is that if you use it on a smart tv, quite likely there won't be the app |
| 11:19.48 | Franciman | as an alternative for plex |
| 11:20.26 | wisbit | be used through web browser on a screen ? |
| 11:20.43 | Franciman | it has several apps |
| 11:20.49 | Franciman | and it can be used on the browser |
| 11:21.00 | Franciman | https://jellyfin.org/ |
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| 11:21.15 | Franciman | it works for music too, bt |
| 11:21.16 | Franciman | btw |
| 11:21.27 | wisbit | yeah that what I am reading |
| 11:21.58 | wisbit | I can install and try it ... plex for movies/tv shows is going to be hard to beat, but maybe for music |
| 11:22.27 | wisbit | by the way in terms of servers management, what is best, one server does all, or several servers for different media type ? |
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| 11:23.26 | wisbit | Franciman, cheers for that mate |
| 11:23.34 | wisbit | i'll definitely look into it |
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| 11:24.38 | Franciman | <wisbit> by the way in terms of servers management, what is best, one server does all, or several servers for different media type ? <- no idea |
| 11:24.46 | Franciman | i guess it depends on how many users you have |
| 11:24.52 | Franciman | wisbit, np, also jellyfin is free software |
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| 11:25.14 | Franciman | no need to run code you couldn't fix |
| 11:25.29 | Franciman | or you couldn't know what is doing |
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| 11:30.14 | jelly | Franciman: perhaps there's free software that reimplements Plex APIs and can be used with a Plex client, or have they gone cloud |
| 11:32.28 | Franciman | not sure about that |
| 11:32.44 | Franciman | that'd be NEADO |
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| 11:42.55 | bauen1 | why does the sha256 of https://deb.debian.org/debian/README (currently 84260443452027d8859cf47e0f5117d34edbe88f76d38a2b212d3d998e48f253) not match bc0672a573e215ff0692bf5fb3d443c9689e43584dfd39be920322a1604ad745 in https://deb.debian.org/debian/extrafiles ? |
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| 11:57.06 | jelly | bauen1: point release 10.7 is in progress |
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| 11:58.12 | bauen1 | jelly: thanks, i was suspecting something like that |
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| 11:58.29 | bauen1 | jelly: how long does that usually take to complete ? |
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| 12:00.25 | themill | it'll sort itself out at the next dinstall run in a couple of hours |
| 12:01.09 | lbr | jelly, any ETA for ISOs to be available? |
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| 12:03.02 | unixbsd | on debian testing amd64, is it possible that the ps2 mouse is no longer in the kernel ? no idea, it seems that my ps2 port is no longer working |
| 12:04.07 | jelly | lbr: I honestly have no idea |
| 12:04.22 | lbr | All good, thanks. |
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| 12:05.23 | jelly | unixbsd: an actual PS/2 port and mouse? Best ask in #debian-next on OFTC, but kernel regressions can happen... |
| 12:05.30 | t3st3r | unixbsd guess you can look that in kernel config, to begin with. Also see if modules around. |
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| 12:06.02 | jelly | it won't be disabled in kernel any time soon, lots of hardware depends on it, but there might be bugs |
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| 12:10.22 | t3st3r | kernel also logs something to dmesg about ps/2 if I remember |
| 12:12.59 | jelly | it does if you have a PS/2 mouse / touchpad / trackpoint |
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| 12:16.27 | quadrathoch2 | plus all newer ps/2 ports are over usb, so it _should_ work |
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| 12:20.37 | jelly | quadrathoch2: if it's usb it's not PS/2 |
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| 12:21.15 | jelly | those mice that work with a passive adapter? Actually support both usb and PS/2 as separate protocols |
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| 12:22.08 | quadrathoch2 | jelly, I am actually talking about the ps/2 port on main boards, which are wired over usb internally |
| 12:22.30 | t3st3r | they're not wired to usb and its different protocol |
| 12:23.03 | jelly | quadrathoch2: oh good grief, I did not know that existed and it means there's an PS/2->usb bridge in the opposite direction on such boards |
| 12:23.53 | jelly | why would someone do that |
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| 12:24.37 | jelly | and not just bridge but a translator for kbd and mouse events |
| 12:27.39 | quadrathoch2 | jelly itâs cheaper |
| 12:29.14 | jelly | it's cheaper to not support ps/2 at all |
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| 12:31.12 | quadrathoch2 | jelly there are cases where people still want ps/2 that's why some boards are kept with ps/2 |
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| 13:03.38 | parabyte | what tech is out there to allow me to have something like Remote x with synced sound? |
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| 13:07.45 | tulpa | parabyte, x2goserver |
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| 13:09.24 | parabyte | tulpa, iv never heard of this before, thank you, i will experiment with this later today |
| 13:10.02 | parabyte | no one in ubuntu bothered to answer my question! so thanks tulpa. and i am running debian for the record |
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| 14:04.45 | Tonnemanski | testing |
| 14:04.58 | Tonnemanski | exit |
| 14:05.02 | jelly | bye |
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| 14:07.52 | Deyaa | I want to run SSH proxy command as a service still running even if machine reboots |
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| 14:16.14 | BugHunter1000 | Good morning, what is the "security" release mentioned in this CVE today? https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2020-25712 It says it's fixed in "security" but not in "buster" - where can I find "security"? |
| 14:18.18 | ratrace | Buster point Seven is out... |
| 14:19.10 | ratrace | BugHunter1000: the buster/updates repository, sourced from deb.debian.org/debian-security is the "security" repo in question |
| 14:20.18 | onyx__ | ah, so that's probably what broke custom builds, simple_cdd is complaining about a checksum for a file... terrible timing from my end tough, I need an altered image built today if at all possible :( |
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| 14:24.24 | BugHunter1000 | ratrace, thanks, how can i switch to that versus the standard release? looks like it gets more attention / faster fixes |
| 14:25.28 | Deyaa | I want to run SSH proxy command as a service |
| 14:26.06 | jelly | BugHunter1000: that repo should be enabled by default |
| 14:26.13 | Onyx47 | BugHunter1000: the line "deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security/ buster/updates main ..." should already be in your sources.list by default, it's not a separate release, it's a supplementary repo |
| 14:26.19 | jelly | !buster sources.list |
| 14:26.20 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Buster" has the lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates main", and optionally "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster-updates main". See <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <buster/updates> <buster-updates> and "man sources.list". |
| 14:26.37 | jelly | BugHunter1000: ^ verify the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 14:26.59 | BugHunter1000 | thanks! |
| 14:27.28 | BugHunter1000 | wait one more question if you don't mind |
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| 14:27.51 | BugHunter1000 | if that repo is enabled by default, which repo is a default Debian install on, in terms of that CVE? it says the mainline is unpatched, so does that mean default install is unpatched? |
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| 14:34.56 | jhutchins | BugHunter1000: I'm not sure what distinction you're trying to make. The installer regularly checks for and applies security updates afik. |
| 14:35.36 | jhutchins | BugHunter1000: Unless you had disabled the security repo, if you have updated since the package was released you should have the patched version. |
| 14:35.58 | jhutchins | BugHunter1000: Most security updates eventually make it into the main repo. |
| 14:36.11 | jhutchins | BugHunter1000: Is there a particular package you are interested in? |
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| 14:40.56 | FightingFalcon | is denyhosts available in debian? |
| 14:42.18 | jelly | ,v denyhosts |
| 14:42.19 | judd | No package named 'denyhosts' was found in amd64. |
| 14:42.27 | jelly | not under that name |
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| 14:42.59 | jelly | FightingFalcon: is that something like fail2ban |
| 14:43.10 | ratrace | BugHunter1000: there's no "switching to" really, you should have all three repos enabled. |
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| 14:44.25 | ratrace | BugHunter1000: for your last question, that's correct. The "main" repo contains the original packages at release time. Then bug fix updates and security fixes are relased in the buster-updates and buster/updates repos respectively. which means that yes, there exist unpatched and patched versions of a package at the same time across all three repos. |
| 14:44.28 | jelly | BugHunter1000: the package with latest version will get installed, either from main repo or from security repo |
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| 14:44.54 | jelly | they're equal in priority |
| 14:44.58 | ratrace | but yes, debian will install _latest_ version for a package, and thus security and updates repos will then have versions newer than the base, "main" repo |
| 14:45.17 | ratrace | it's flimsy, unintuitive, bad design but...... that's Debian :) |
| 14:45.50 | FightingFalcon | yes jelly |
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| 14:47.09 | jelly | it's a design that allowed for efficient mirroring of Debian before CDNs were a thing |
| 14:48.52 | ratrace | it's fragile. other distros did efficient mirroring wihtout such a fragile design. |
| 14:48.59 | ratrace | (did in the past, and do now) |
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| 14:51.15 | jhutchins | ,v fail2ban |
| 14:51.16 | judd | Package: fail2ban on amd64 -- jessie: 0.8.13-1; stretch: 0.9.6-2; stretch-backports: 0.10.2-2~bpo9+1; buster: 0.10.2-2.1; bullseye: 0.11.2-1; sid: 0.11.2-1 |
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| 14:57.01 | BugHunter1000 | jelly, so if i just remove the main repo and pull all from "security" that will get fastest patches? |
| 14:57.44 | jhutchins | BugHunter1000: No need to remove the main. The newer file from security will have priority. |
| 14:57.45 | jelly | BugHunter1000: no, you need both. |
| 14:57.46 | GNU\colossus | no, that is stupid. packages from security will be preferred over those from main if both are enabled. |
| 14:58.03 | jhutchins | GNU\colossus: Not stupid, just uninformed. |
| 14:58.26 | jelly | GNU\colossus: packages with newer version will be preferred, doesn't matter which repo of the two they come from |
| 14:58.39 | GNU\colossus | jelly, point taken :) |
| 14:58.44 | jelly | sometimes the main repo has a package with newer version than security repo |
| 14:58.51 | jhutchins | We get very comfortable with the package system that "just works", but other distros do things differently, and if you're coming from the mac or windows world package management is a whole new concept. |
| 14:59.16 | jelly | jhutchins: unless you install chocolatey ;-) |
| 14:59.46 | GNU\colossus | jhutchins, ftr I was attacking/referring to the idea, not the person who uttered it |
| 14:59.53 | jhutchins | Yeah, I hear MS is working on a native PM system. |
| 15:00.22 | GNU\colossus | I think they have something of a pkg manager for C++ library code in/for VS studio these days... |
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| 15:00.52 | GNU\colossus | but of course, that\s somewhat unrelated to disto-esque package mgmt... |
| 15:01.18 | Onyx47 | GNU\colossus: if you mean nuget, that's for .NET ecosystem, don't think it extends to C++ stuff :) |
| 15:01.32 | GNU\colossus | Onyx47, ah, yeah, might be what I had in mind :) |
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| 15:06.50 | Onyx47 | does anyone know, if I'm building a custom install image and I try to include a kernel from backports, do I also have to manually specify any and all kernel modules in the list of packages to get from backports? |
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| 15:07.15 | Onyx47 | seems like it's pulling a lot of things for 4.19 regardless of me asking for the latest kernel from backports |
| 15:07.26 | Onyx47 | (using simple-cdd) |
| 15:09.28 | BugHunter1000 | Thanks all. |
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| 15:39.16 | EdePopede | i was astonished that selfhtml 8.1.2-1 is so small (26M vs 153M data from upstream), but then the Changelog ends in 2008, which is really old for sth web related. is this because "too many packages, too few people" or related to their change of distribution format (sources + modified mediawiki instead of preformatted pages)? any idea? |
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| 15:45.49 | mrkramps | EdePopede, if i recall correctly the export became more difficult |
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| 15:47.52 | EdePopede | mrkramps: used to be a one man show for long, then he decided to switch to a collaborative model and iirc it took some time to find a working model, using a wiki. can't say how long ago this happened, may have been just before 2008. do you mean this step? |
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| 15:50.44 | mrkramps | EdePopede, originally selfhtml was a collection of static web pages and is now using mediawiki which does not allow for an easy export of a static oflline version |
| 15:51.47 | EdePopede | mrkramps: ah, so the debian version is meant to be used w/o a httpd if i understand you correctly |
| 15:51.54 | mrkramps | exactly |
| 15:52.33 | mrkramps | current version of selfhtml would rather be a mirror and required web server, php and database |
| 15:52.44 | EdePopede | the links i guess, and the embedding. maybe some magic with pandoc or similar could do it. |
| 15:53.08 | EdePopede | at least sqlite, so no fiddling around with maria |
| 15:53.36 | mrkramps | EdePopede, https://wiki.selfhtml.org/wiki/SELFHTML:Wiki/offline-Wiki#Warum_so_und_keine_statischen_Seiten.3F |
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| 15:55.38 | EdePopede | mrkramps: yep, i just wasn't sure about the difference in upstream and debian. already was thinking of looking at their installation. at some point in the future. near future. i hope. :) |
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| 16:00.08 | tigryss | hi |
| 16:00.56 | tigryss | I installed my nvidia gtx 1060 and if I boot then the nvidia driver is loaded, but hashcat drop unknown error and doesn't detect my NVIDIA |
| 16:01.07 | tigryss | https://paste.ofcode.org/9C9AXHsd4fGx8vxRqRx9LU |
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| 16:01.30 | tigryss | can someone help me please? |
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| 16:03.34 | oxek | are there any big issues in upgrading to 10.7? |
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| 16:19.24 | phorce1 | So, on the old box I pulled from a closet, should I try upgrading from Squeeze straight to Stretch or Buster or should I step it through Wheezy, Jessie, Stretch, Buster one at a time? |
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| 16:19.41 | oxek | phorce1: one at a time |
| 16:19.45 | oxek | read the release notes for each release |
| 16:19.55 | ratrace | you can't skip releases even, afaik |
| 16:19.56 | oxek | and follow the instructions |
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| 16:20.59 | oxek | you could set the sources.list to point to buster directly, but it's undefined behavior and will break something for sure |
| 16:21.16 | ratrace | unless it dies on next reboot :) I pulled an old ACER out of the closet and turned it on. booted fine, worked. rebooted. never came back on again. as if it woke up, realized how many years passed and said Nope. Nuh-huh. |
| 16:21.46 | oxek | :D |
| 16:22.01 | oxek | maybe it just wanted 5 more minutes of sleep? |
| 16:22.28 | phorce1 | I spent the night doing a tar.bz2 backup. Moving that to a USB, then doing a clonezilla across the network and it hasn't died yet. :D |
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| 16:29.39 | phorce1 | Thanks y'all |
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| 16:40.47 | yan6 | Any idea how to resolve the dependancy issue "apt libapt-pkg5.0 (due to apt)", facing after "apt upgrade; apt full-upgrade" -> https://paste.debian.net/hidden/52b7b9d8/ |
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| 16:45.11 | jelly | yan6: you shouldn't skip releases |
| 16:45.20 | jelly | ,v apt |
| 16:45.21 | judd | Package: apt on amd64 -- jessie: 1.0.9.8.4; jessie-security: 1.0.9.8.6; stretch: 1.4.10; stretch-proposed-updates: 1.4.10; stretch-security: 1.4.10; buster: 1.8.2.1; buster-security: 1.8.2.1; bullseye: 2.1.12; sid: 2.1.12 |
| 16:45.56 | jelly | hm |
| 16:45.59 | yan6 | ? |
| 16:46.06 | yan6 | i went upgrading from stretch to buster |
| 16:46.09 | jelly | yan6: are you in the middle of a stretch->buster release upgrade? |
| 16:46.32 | yan6 | yes, I did complete "apt upgrade" successfully, but "apt full-upgrade" gave me this error |
| 16:46.56 | yan6 | "aptitude install apt" gives me this (_I did not proceed) https://paste.debian.net/1175734/ |
| 16:47.26 | jelly | yan6: is that the complete output of "apt full-upgrade" |
| 16:47.56 | jelly | yan6: pastebin the complete output of "apt full-upgrade" if possible |
| 16:47.57 | mrkramps | apt depends on libsystemd0 |
| 16:48.04 | mrkramps | but it's pinned |
| 16:48.14 | jelly | ,depends apt |
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| 16:48.15 | judd | Package apt in buster/amd64 -- depends: adduser, gpgv | gpgv2 | gpgv1, debian-archive-keyring, libapt-pkg5.0 (>= 1.7.0~alpha3~), libc6 (>= 2.15), libgcc1 (>= 1:3.0), libgnutls30 (>= 3.6.6), libseccomp2 (>= 1.0.1), libstdc++6 (>= 5.2). |
| 16:48.37 | jelly | ,depends libapt-pkg5.0 |
| 16:48.38 | judd | Package libapt-pkg5.0 in buster/amd64 -- depends: libbz2-1.0, libc6 (>= 2.27), libgcc1 (>= 1:3.0), liblz4-1 (>= 0.0~r127), liblzma5 (>= 5.1.1alpha+20120614), libstdc++6 (>= 5.2), libsystemd0 (>= 221), libudev1 (>= 183), libzstd1 (>= 1.3.2), zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.2.3). |
| 16:48.42 | jelly | right |
| 16:50.05 | mrkramps | actually, is this an issue if apt-get is still available? |
| 16:50.39 | jelly | it's an issue if the system is not fully switched over to debian |
| 16:50.41 | yan6 | https://paste.debian.net/hidden/cf407a14/ |
| 16:50.59 | jelly | over to debian 10* |
| 16:51.33 | yan6 | What I need to mention is that I was/am using sysvinit instead of systemd on this machine, because it's |
| 16:51.45 | mrkramps | ok, that's an issue |
| 16:51.46 | jelly | yan6: you'll have to allow installation of libsystemd0 at the very least |
| 16:51.49 | mrkramps | unpinn the packages |
| 16:51.55 | jelly | possibly others |
| 16:52.17 | yan6 | well the problem is that this virtualised machine doesn't support systemd :/// |
| 16:52.46 | jelly | and you won't be installing systemd |
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| 16:53.25 | mrkramps | libsystemd0 does not depend on other systemd packages |
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| 16:54.11 | yan6 | jelly: so how do I proceed with pinning ? |
| 16:54.20 | mrkramps | should be enough to unpin libsystemd0 only |
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| 16:54.24 | yan6 | yes how |
| 16:55.34 | autoteles | Hello. I installed the latest 5.9 backport kernel, and it came with a driver for my laptop's wireless card. It gave me a bad time. It's rtl8821ce. |
| 16:56.01 | ratrace | aww, terrible. |
| 16:56.05 | mrkramps | yan6, pinning is configured in one of the files in /etc/apt/preferences.d/ |
| 16:56.11 | autoteles | I had to blacklist ideapad_laptop and rtw88_8821ce |
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| 16:56.27 | autoteles | Then install the driver off github manually (dkms) |
| 16:56.31 | autoteles | Just letting you all know |
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| 16:56.41 | autoteles | (it was a different driver) |
| 16:56.46 | ratrace | autoteles: it's even better if you file a bug report |
| 16:57.03 | autoteles | ratrace: I don't know how to do that |
| 16:57.09 | ratrace | !bts |
| 16:57.09 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. See also <apt-listbugs>, <reportbug>. http://wiki.debian.org/HowtoUseBTS |
| 16:57.21 | autoteles | Thanks |
| 16:57.23 | cheapie | watches mksquashfs do its thing, rather slowly but it'll get there :P |
| 16:57.42 | yan6 | mrkramps: https://paste.debian.net/plain/1175737 |
| 16:57.54 | mrkramps | ARGH :DD |
| 16:58.35 | cheapie | (making a custom Debian live image - I have stuff here that needs firmware-amd-graphics to get X running at all, and the stock images don't have that because non-free :P) |
| 16:58.50 | yan6 | mrkramps: so do I just delete/wipe out that file or? |
| 16:59.04 | yan6 | but then I will be installing systemd |
| 16:59.10 | mrkramps | yan6, no ... deleting would allow installing systemd |
| 16:59.31 | yan6 | so only "apt install libsystemd0" |
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| 17:01.49 | mrkramps | yan6, i am not 100% sure, but i guess you have to add an additional entry to "unpin" libsystem0 |
| 17:02.13 | yan6 | ii libsystemd0:i386 215-17+deb8u5 i386 systemd utility library |
| 17:02.20 | yan6 | its installed from before |
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| 17:02.44 | mrkramps | yan6, but it is blocked from updating |
| 17:02.57 | yan6 | mrkramps: can you tell me how to add additional entry to work with unpin |
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| 17:03.22 | mrkramps | yan6, i am not very familiar with pinning |
| 17:03.38 | yan6 | ok |
| 17:03.42 | yan6 | jelly: * |
| 17:03.44 | yan6 | ? |
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| 17:04.30 | yan6 | I totally forgot that i had to pin down *systemd* |
| 17:04.50 | mrkramps | yan6, not sure, but probably https://paste.debian.net/1175738 |
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| 17:07.13 | yan6 | then ? |
| 17:07.43 | mrkramps | save file and try full-upgrade again |
| 17:08.08 | yan6 | IO tried, same error |
| 17:08.28 | mrkramps | run apt update first?! |
| 17:08.35 | yan6 | i did |
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| 17:15.03 | jmcnaught | cheapie: did you try a live image from https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/10.6.0-live+nonfree/ ? |
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| 17:19.02 | parabyte | i upgrade my main computer system every 10 years, and i am due for the next upgrade, can anyone recommend A good current cpu for the linux kernel |
| 17:19.23 | mrkramps | everything amd |
| 17:20.05 | mrkramps | yan6, sorry, i have no clue, but this additional entry does not seem to work for reasons⢠|
| 17:21.16 | oxek | parabyte: intel xeon with proper support for ECC RAM |
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| 17:21.32 | yan6 | mrkramps: ok thank you anyways |
| 17:21.34 | NetTerminalGene | parabyte: i have intel but amd ryzen wasn't released that time. buy amd |
| 17:22.20 | NetTerminalGene | or you will live with intel's vulnerabilities for 10 years |
| 17:22.54 | cheapie | jmcnaught: No (didn't realize those existed) but this one works fine now and there were some extra programs I wanted to add too. |
| 17:22.58 | parabyte | one of my criteria for my new system is the ability for it to be able to be able to use coreboot firmware |
| 17:23.26 | mrkramps | yan6, i am not sure how exactly save pinning for systemd should look like, but i'd dare guessing that "Package: systemd*" should be enough pattern for pinning all systemd an allow installing libsystemd0 |
| 17:23.30 | parabyte | thanks for nudging me in the AMD direction, I will check out what they have to offer later |
| 17:23.38 | NetTerminalGene | you should state that first |
| 17:23.41 | oxek | coreboot systems are intel only |
| 17:24.02 | parabyte | oxek, you know i was not aware of that, i would of found out when i looked at compatible hardware lol |
| 17:24.23 | oxek | AMD systems have the same intel ME capability, but there's no way of removing it unlike with using coreboot for intel |
| 17:24.49 | parabyte | um i may have to adjust my criteria somewhat |
| 17:25.01 | NetTerminalGene | i want arm cpu |
| 17:25.10 | cheapie | Most AMD boards will let you turn the PSP "off" but it's not entirely clear what that does. |
| 17:25.21 | parabyte | i would actually settle for arm but there is no arm boards with multiple pcie slots on it |
| 17:25.23 | oxek | very likely, since coreboot requirement means you'll not get a modern system anyway, so an upgrade from a 10yo system would be pointless |
| 17:25.35 | parabyte | i need pcie at least 4 expansion slots |
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| 17:26.28 | parabyte | i have multiple digital tv receivers and they require pcie bus |
| 17:26.34 | parabyte | tvheadend setup |
| 17:27.31 | parabyte | on the same system as well as other tasks it will perform which requires heavy cpu lifting. the system will be in a server client situation |
| 17:27.35 | NetTerminalGene | change your habits |
| 17:27.45 | parabyte | anyway thanks for the feedback i will check out amd's current cpu lineup |
| 17:27.47 | parabyte | thanks |
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| 17:28.58 | autoteles | Could someone give me a link to paste the info about the bug report? |
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| 17:31.26 | autoteles | Nevermind I found an e-mail |
| 17:31.53 | jelly | yan6: what kind of system is this? what does "uname -a" say? |
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| 17:35.40 | yan6 | yes, its a customized kernel for virtual machine |
| 17:35.56 | jelly | what does is actually say |
| 17:35.58 | jelly | it* |
| 17:36.39 | yan6 | using 4.9.x kernel series and machine is i686 |
| 17:37.45 | yan6 | 4.9.115 SMP i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 17:41.42 | yan6 | jelly: ok I removed the *pin* for *systemd* and now I can run full-upgrade without dependancy errors |
| 17:41.57 | autoteles | bug filed. TY debian community. |
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| 17:52.38 | jelly | yan6: that still does not look like actual uname -a output |
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| 18:02.31 | menace__ | does anyone of you uses aqemu? |
| 18:02.33 | lowin | Hi. I was playing with my firewall settings but I think I broke it after adding a direct.xml file. now I can't reload the daemon: http://paste.debian.net/1175751/ |
| 18:02.47 | lowin | I already removed the direct.xml but it still fails with same error |
| 18:03.47 | lowin | And I should say the direct.xml file had no ipv6 rules I don't know why it fails on that |
| 18:05.58 | HelloShitty | What package do I need when I get a message like this while running ./configure: |
| 18:06.12 | HelloShitty | configure: error: Package requirements (libcrypto) were not met: |
| 18:06.15 | HelloShitty | No package 'libcrypto' found |
| 18:06.27 | autoteles | lowin: is purging the package an option? |
| 18:06.44 | lowin | autoteles, I'll try that |
| 18:06.52 | autoteles | lowin: copy what you need before you purge |
| 18:07.01 | HelloShitty | I already installed libcrypto++-dev and libcrypto++6, but still not good |
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| 18:08.09 | lowin | autoteles, it still fails. I guess the issue is not with firewalld |
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| 18:10.26 | lowin | I kinda want to reboot but I'm worried I might get locked out of ssh |
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| 18:16.06 | autoteles | lowin: I'm unsure, please be patient, someone else may know what to do |
| 18:16.46 | lowin | too late |
| 18:17.04 | lowin | :( |
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| 18:19.42 | oxek | HelloShitty: which software are you trying to build? |
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| 18:21.16 | autoteles | lowin: it locked you out? |
| 18:22.14 | lowin | autoteles, yeah but because it actually got fixed after reboot |
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| 18:22.32 | lowin | forgot to open my ssh port after purging the package |
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| 18:22.54 | autoteles | :( |
| 18:23.13 | HelloShitty | oxek: libtorrent0.13.8 |
| 18:25.42 | lowin | Okay so I regained access. Looks like a bug with firewalld. it fails to reload after setting up iptables the first time |
| 18:26.00 | lowin | line 4: RULE_REPLACE failed (No such file or directory): rule in chain INPUT |
| 18:26.09 | lowin | not sure what "line 4" refers to here |
| 18:26.51 | HelloShitty | oxek: I can read this on their site, but then I also don't know what package to install regarding openssl-lib |
| 18:26.54 | HelloShitty | openssl-lib can be used to specify the directory where libssl and libcrypto are installed (or the windows counterparts). |
| 18:27.11 | oxek | HelloShitty: probably best to run 'sudo apt build-dep libtorrent-dev' |
| 18:27.39 | oxek | that should pull in the dependencies needed to build the version of libtorrent in debian, which will likely satisfy the dependencies in your version too |
| 18:27.50 | HelloShitty | But versions are not the same |
| 18:28.15 | HelloShitty | aahh, ok, but then I get 2 versions of libtorrent |
| 18:28.29 | HelloShitty | Won't that be a potential problem? |
| 18:28.46 | oxek | no, the build-dep command will only install dependecies for building libtorrent, it will not install libtorrent itself |
| 18:28.57 | HelloShitty | ohh, ok |
| 18:29.00 | HelloShitty | going tp try then |
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| 18:30.33 | HelloShitty | ok, didn't even ran the command |
| 18:30.42 | HelloShitty | at the prompt of [Y/n] |
| 18:30.55 | HelloShitty | I just looked to the packages that were to be installed |
| 18:31.01 | HelloShitty | and one of them was libssl-dev |
| 18:31.19 | HelloShitty | I tried to install only that one, and the dependency was resolved for ./config command |
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| 18:32.21 | oxek | might still need the other dependencies, but hopefully ./configure will alert you to them |
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| 18:35.30 | sammi` | think having no desire to learn systemd |
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| 18:47.16 | HelloShitty | oxek: it compiled until the end |
| 18:47.27 | HelloShitty | Ihad other dependencies, but probably were unrelated |
| 18:47.35 | mrkramps | or optional |
| 18:47.46 | HelloShitty | I mean, they weren't even for libtorrent |
| 18:47.50 | HelloShitty | were for rtorrent |
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| 18:53.21 | droid3 | Got a little issue today been finishing up my software and i been wanting to create .deb file for installing my program |
| 18:53.54 | droid3 | The issue is how do i make a custom icon show up for my deb file when it shows up in software center application for example |
| 18:54.41 | droid3 | Note i am not talking about after the install where you see a custom icon show up on the dash from the .desktop file that got installed...etc |
| 18:55.07 | droid3 | I am talking about before then when your just viewing the .deb file in your software center app on debian /ubuntu ...etc |
| 18:55.09 | mrkramps | but i'd guess it uses the same icon resource |
| 18:55.44 | droid3 | confused so its using a .desktop file ??? if so then whats the tag to set it in the control file of the deb package i created ??? |
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| 18:57.00 | droid3 | Its looking really good in the software center when i click on it aka the description short / long is looking good, the url link goes to my github , the name and version show up perfect....etc |
| 18:57.10 | droid3 | I just dont know how to get the icon to show up |
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| 19:01.18 | mrkramps | droid3, maybe ask in #gnome-software @ irc.gnome.org |
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| 19:18.32 | droid3 | nobody seems to know. Seriously why is creating package such a difficult process it should be made easy for developer. I just would like to do it with package managers a more professional way to do it rather then a tar.gz file download and directions on installing type deal |
| 19:20.37 | droid3 | So i am getting to the point that custom icons and screenshots have to go thru a website like http://screenshots.debian.net/packages...etc |
| 19:21.08 | mrkramps | but those are screenshots |
| 19:21.21 | droid3 | if thats true nobody can make custom icons or screenshots for there .deb packages if they dont got login/account with that site |
| 19:21.24 | mrkramps | there are no icons |
| 19:22.22 | droid3 | Ok so freak confused on the icons and screenshot stuff for packages its driving me crazy today. This shit is hard then actually developing software who the hell design this shit icon and screenshot method |
| 19:22.25 | droid3 | So confusing |
| 19:22.28 | droid3 | :( |
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| 19:25.28 | mrkramps | i'd pretty much bet on using icons from themes |
| 19:26.18 | droid3 | https://imgur.com/a/bTrhfo4 |
| 19:26.50 | mrkramps | yeah, that's the gnome theme icon for default application |
| 19:26.52 | droid3 | this is what i am talking about obviously Akregator was able to get there custom icon up there with a screen shot? |
| 19:27.01 | droid3 | Below that is what mine looks like |
| 19:27.23 | droid3 | And forget for now getting a screenshot to show ...lost... |
| 19:28.41 | droid3 | mrkramps no its not are you looking at my linke the first one is the Akregator icon the image under the first one is the default given by all the custom .deb file i make. |
| 19:29.02 | droid3 | I am asking how you get the first icon on there or your own if you got an icon designed ????? |
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| 19:29.50 | droid3 | i feel like where going in circles with do you understand what i am asking or is it beyond you ??? Not a hard question to comperhend |
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| 19:30.56 | droid3 | if your getting at switching out my default diamond icon that would be somewhat of a solution but then it changes my default icon for every program |
| 19:31.02 | mrkramps | droid3, yea got it. that's why i am surfing gnome software source code for more than half an hour now |
| 19:31.15 | droid3 | And this isnt really a solution to making an icon for everybody |
| 19:31.39 | droid3 | really a solution => really not a solution i mean |
| 19:31.59 | droid3 | for everyone to see in the software center |
| 19:32.30 | droid3 | So if the icon and screenshots are not part of the deb package file then they be part of the deb hosting file site you use??? |
| 19:33.02 | droid3 | Aka it be where you host the deb may have the option to set a custom icon and screenshot where as some site dont... |
| 19:33.36 | droid3 | I would imagine the site that are directly linked to showing software in the main repo's have these features |
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| 19:34.21 | droid3 | But where can i host it to get my deb package in the main rep or a third party repo that one can add to his repo list that would show a custom icon and screenshot. |
| 19:34.52 | droid3 | That is the questions??? still confused if the icon and screenshot are linked to the deb file you create or is part of the hosting repo site itself |
| 19:35.19 | droid3 | if its the later i am fucked unless i get it into a main repo /hosting site that supports those features |
| 19:36.10 | droid3 | But i would at least like to know if its the later or former so i dont keep spinning my wheels with this noncritical part of the program development process |
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| 19:38.57 | droid3 | I really believe its the later as there are some packages you can write a review and it can get star ratings...so its got to be part of the website hosting the repo more then the deb package itself |
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| 19:39.26 | droid3 | From the software center that is point of view it looks like. |
| 19:39.34 | mrkramps | icons and screenshots are definitely not part of a deb package |
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| 19:40.17 | droid3 | so then what site can i host this deb file on to get it to show up in software center and the major gui based package manager front ends? |
| 19:40.47 | jhutchins | droid3: Are you the maintainer of the package? |
| 19:40.54 | droid3 | There got to be a website/hosting repo to upload your deb file when ready and upload an icon with a screenshot |
| 19:41.36 | droid3 | Yes i am the maintainer of the package and creator. And the package doesnt have any major dependencies |
| 19:42.13 | droid3 | except for maybe a few which is not an issue. |
| 19:43.03 | droid3 | I still need to develop the install and uninstall scripts and go thru finalizing all the install/uninstall scripts but after that i want to host it somewhere |
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| 19:43.42 | droid3 | with the ability to have the custom icons and screenshots i made show up when it is add/displayed in the software center /major gui package manager front ends |
| 19:44.20 | droid3 | And to do this it sounds like all need a launchpad or other repo hosting site that supports these features when uploading the .deb file |
| 19:44.36 | sney | sounds like you're talking about the dep-11 stuff, metadata and icons stored on the mirror outside the packages themselves |
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| 19:44.48 | beelzebuzz | software center is not a mandatory thing for a deb. some people never even touch it |
| 19:44.52 | droid3 | So the major question is what sites are available that have these options to host my deb file on |
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| 19:45.31 | droid3 | i know i could apt-get install ...etc or just put the deb file on a github and have them open ...it works fine sure |
| 19:46.16 | sney | what's the application? is there a reason you're looking for a "site" to host it rather than submitting it to debian? |
| 19:46.19 | droid3 | but you cannt get the cool screen shots embedded and custom icons embedded thru gui package manager front ends without a hosting site supporting them that works with the gui front end package managerrs |
| 19:47.06 | droid3 | and thats why i am trying to figure out what site allow you to do this at the moment ...now that i know the deb file i can never customize icon or set screenshots thru it |
| 19:47.42 | droid3 | I never submitted stuff to debian how do you do that /how does that work maybe thats the route all take ??? |
| 19:48.03 | sney | !nmg |
| 19:48.04 | dpkg | The packaging tutorial (https://deb.li/QYyI) and the New Maintainer's Guide (https://deb.li/3DiDA) are good places to start learning about Debian packaging. You should also ask me about <devref> and <policy> to understand how packages should be maintained and how they should interact with each other. Ask me about <package basics>, <mentors>, <best practices> <build without helper>. https://www.debian.org/devel/ |
| 19:48.23 | sney | and get support in #debian-mentors on OFTC (note, right now you are on freenode) |
| 19:48.50 | droid3 | Just confused on what the options are for actually getting your software in some repo that can be showed up in a gui package manager front end. And that the hosting site has the features of custom icon and screenshots??? |
| 19:49.30 | sney | custom icon and screenshots is an appstream/dep-11 thing, https://wiki.debian.org/DEP-11 |
| 19:50.26 | sney | most 3rd-party packages are self-hosted, since a debian mirror is just a basic http site with some automagic scripts. ubuntu has their ppa infrastructure that I'm sure you know about. |
| 19:50.56 | sney | but if the software is useful and free, then trying to get it into the debian archive is a better approach. |
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| 19:51.56 | droid3 | its going to be very useful for graphics designers to experience with, not something that is even on the internet with any great programs anymore, and is easy to maintain |
| 19:52.36 | sney | here's some more info, https://wiki.debian.org/DebianMentorsFaq#How_do_I_add_a_new_package_to_the_archive.3F |
| 19:53.07 | droid3 | seems like its more difficult to get the software where it should be as it is by far the best software for the task hands down but i dont want to give it away /want it a superize when i upload it. |
| 19:53.42 | sney | what do you mean? |
| 19:53.47 | droid3 | Man , i am not about to read novels just to understand how to upload my program to a repo or get access to somewhere that others can see it in a software center |
| 19:54.18 | sney | lol well, too bad |
| 19:54.39 | droid3 | why cannt they make it an easy process you upload your shit ...if its not good enough you get denied and have to keep it on github ,sourceforge ,...etc as a tar.gz , zip ,...etc |
| 19:55.05 | sney | debian packages need to be a certain quality, so you do need to do work before it will be included |
| 19:55.31 | sney | mentors.debian.net is a site where you can upload your source package and it'll run some checks... but it is not an automatic process, there is a standard you need to meet as the maintainer |
| 19:55.34 | ratrace | packaging for .deb sucks big hairy donkey balls tho. |
| 19:55.35 | droid3 | sney dont you think it should be made easy for developers after why should they have to deal with all this bullshit. It slows them down in getting software out to people |
| 19:55.59 | sney | ratrace: thanks, that was helpful |
| 19:56.01 | ratrace | and debian is totally not making that easy with a single set of supported and well documented tools. |
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| 19:56.12 | droid3 | And if it was shitty software just have the repo maintainers just deny it and say just host it on your own site or on your sourceforge/ github ,..etc accounts |
| 19:56.36 | ratrace | sney: it's a sad fact. I tried to contrib changes and patches. it was a mess of the "aint nobody got tiem for dat!" kind |
| 19:56.59 | droid3 | All i am saying is it should be easy enough to get software up to the main repos for people to consider incorporating it eventually into the repo's if you got a good idea that isnt in the repo's yet |
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| 19:58.36 | sney | because debian isn't a dumping ground for everyone's rough draft packages. you have to do the work. |
| 19:58.42 | droid3 | "debian packages need to be a certain quality, so you do need to do work before it will be included..." Indeed which is why all be spending alot of time on installer scripts and learning what scripts order of execution is and writting good install/uninstall/cleanup scripts |
| 19:59.34 | ratrace | one can have good quality packages without a mess such as .deb, the two constraints are orthogonal |
| 19:59.37 | sney | I thought you didn't want to read novels? that's like 95% of it, the rest is just cleaning up the policy/lintian stuff and getting the package sponsored for an upload |
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| 20:00.09 | droid3 | Ya agreed i wouldnt consider uploading bad shit to the main repos anyway even though it just get denied so no harm done. But i wouldnt attempt it if i didnt have a cool new program that isnt really out there as i see it as much |
| 20:00.48 | droid3 | and i think it should be in the main repo or at least a third party repo that can be add to the main repo with the functionality of the main repos aka custom icons and screenshots |
| 20:01.09 | sney | anyway, go to #debian-mentors on OFTC and talk to the experts. I had to stop maintaining my package in 2016 so I'm a little behind on the current best practices. they will get you pointed in the right direction and help with all of the steps. |
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| 20:02.27 | droid3 | ratrace ya i have a good quality program that could belong in the main repo in my opinion though it could get denied i can see that if people dont feel the same way but i definitely see alot shittier software in the main repos as of current as well. |
| 20:02.35 | droid3 | So its debatable on that end. |
| 20:03.16 | droid3 | So now i am kind of working on the equivalent a good quality deb installer package for the repo if it got excepted |
| 20:05.23 | droid3 | But for this particular program you really dont need a deb file to install it and i was just making the deb file as a way to make a pretty icon and screenshot display of it |
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| 20:06.02 | droid3 | But i realized it doesnt work that way for gui package managers to display an icon and screenshot it depends on the repo hosting site you have access to or upload it to. |
| 20:06.12 | droid3 | Not the deb file format |
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| 20:07.14 | droid3 | So kind of going thru alot of work creating deb packages for nothing if its not going to get excepted into the main repo or a repo /hosting site that has the feature of setting custom icons and screenshots |
| 20:08.25 | JohnDoe2 | hey guys, debian 10 netinstall here, got xfce and build-essential, ruby going. Now I'm trying to install a custom CA but it isn't picked up by update-ca-certificates. File is in /usr/share/ca-certificates/me.crt ; 0 added, 0 removed it says. Am I missing some package to get this done? |
| 20:09.16 | droid3 | sney thanks saw your post.. all go to debian-mentors channel to talk with those guys. But i am glad its not a deb file format or my program issue. Its more so figuring out a hosting site and approval to get it hosted on a site with those features. |
| 20:10.50 | droid3 | Anyway not all is lost if i waste some time on creating really good deb package for my installing/uninstalling of my program. As i can always throw them on my own repo and people add it and sudo apt-get it from a non-gui based package manager interface. |
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| 20:14.12 | ratrace | JohnDoe2: is it linked under /etc/ssl/certs/ ? which, btw, is where you should place your custom CA |
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| 20:15.17 | JohnDoe2 | I read a couple articles on installing a custom CA and the recommend /usr/share/ca-certificates as the location. I also manually ln -s the cert file as a pem inside /etc/ssl/certs/ and it's still not picked up |
| 20:16.01 | JohnDoe2 | (for example mozilla's set of CA files are all in /usr/share/ca-certificates/mozilla/, and then they all get linked as pem files in /etc/ssl/certs) |
| 20:16.27 | Poster | I believe you have to run "update-ca-certificates" after the new certificate is in place |
| 20:16.33 | JohnDoe2 | let me not mislead you, the custom .crt file is not linked by update-ca-certificates |
| 20:16.40 | JohnDoe2 | I did it manually, without effect |
| 20:17.00 | JohnDoe2 | Poster you're correct, and it says 0 added, 0 removed. |
| 20:17.21 | JohnDoe2 | I can read the crt file with openssl x509 -in .... |
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| 20:18.09 | Azrael_- | hi |
| 20:18.23 | Poster | Do you have /usr/local/share/ca-certificates ? Just checking other articles and it sounds like the added cert may need to be copied there |
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| 20:18.45 | JohnDoe2 | Poster I see, ok, will try that path too |
| 20:19.33 | JohnDoe2 | damn it, that worked. |
| 20:19.47 | Poster | =D |
| 20:19.49 | JohnDoe2 | I mean... awesome, that worked. |
| 20:19.50 | JohnDoe2 | :D |
| 20:20.02 | JohnDoe2 | thanks Poster |
| 20:20.07 | Poster | np |
| 20:20.10 | Azrael_- | i'm running debian 10 with the kernel 4.19.0-12-amd64. it is a nas, mostly only used for smb. it has 8gb ram, ~2gb used, 6gb cache and 186mb swap being used. yet kswapd0 seems to use constantly about 60% cpu (of 400%). can somebody explain me the high cpu usage of kswapd0? |
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| 20:21.37 | prison | Azrael_-: same here |
| 20:21.59 | Azrael_- | so i should assume this as normal? seems strange! |
| 20:22.13 | prison | i use the same kernel |
| 20:22.24 | prison | i cant |
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| 20:24.26 | Azrael_- | "i cant"? |
| 20:25.20 | prison | echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches |
| 20:26.24 | prison | https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=65201 |
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| 20:28.06 | Azrael_- | thx, really strange thing |
| 20:29.18 | prison | you are welcome |
| 20:31.09 | smashgrab | Just installed debian testing and kde desktop. Previously in stable (actually old stable now) the network widget in the panel showed my wired network connection like so: https://i.ibb.co/t2rcjpm/network.jpg |
| 20:31.22 | smashgrab | Is it normal for it to not list any wired connections or is this a quirk of testing atm? Internet works just fine, but connection is not listed in the widget. If I use nmtui from the console, there are no connections listed there, either. |
| 20:32.02 | graytron | i wonder when the next point release is going to happen |
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| 20:32.28 | sney | smashgrab: network-manager ignores interfaces configured in /etc/network/interfaces, that's probably what's happening here |
| 20:32.43 | sney | smashgrab: also, testing support is in #debian-next on OFTC (note, right now you are on freenode) |
| 20:32.45 | ratrace | graytron: today |
| 20:32.54 | ratrace | graytron: or you mean buster point 8? |
| 20:33.09 | smashgrab | sney: Thanks for the tip. My bad. |
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| 20:34.26 | graytron | ratrace: 10.7 |
| 20:36.28 | ratrace | graytron: today |
| 20:37.40 | Miles8of9 | ahh that's why it downloaded so many updates |
| 20:37.46 | Miles8of9 | 10.7 |
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| 21:04.07 | autoteles | ratrace: I did the bug report earlier. It was my first time, I hope it'll help and give the info required |
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| 21:11.16 | jhutchins | sney: Are you an op? |
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| 21:11.49 | jhutchins | Somebody needs to bump the point release in the /topic. |
| 21:12.33 | sney | jhutchins: nope, I'm just a casual |
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| 21:22.31 | jhutchins | abrotman: You have op priviliges, don't you? Fix the topic? |
| 21:23.04 | sponix | is it really that big of a deal ? |
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| 21:27.46 | jhutchins | No, just want to keep it current for people who rely on it as an announcement. |
| 21:28.06 | jhutchins | If we're gonna display a version number it should be accurate. |
| 21:28.46 | sney | it should be automatic, I'm sure debhelper could be made to do it programatically |
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| 21:33.24 | jhutchins | Maybe it does and it just hasn't run nightly maintenance. |
| 21:33.45 | sney | maybe |
| 21:34.47 | jhutchins | I could use /ops but that is meant to be more of an alarm. Supposedly there are two ops on. |
| 21:35.07 | jhutchins | Ah well. Just being a busybody. |
| 21:35.28 | sney | is there a #debian-ops here or just on oftc? either way that seems like the non-emergency number |
| 21:37.32 | sponix | Well, IMHO this doesn't require waking anyone. It will happen soon enough |
| 21:37.57 | sponix | People don't run Debian to have the LATEST of everything anyway :P |
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| 21:50.01 | jhutchins | sney: /list didn't know about it, maybe I'll just try it blind. |
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| 21:54.47 | ratrace | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:55.22 | jhutchins | sney: Yes, on both networks. |
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| 21:58.16 | ratrace | reboots into 10.7 |
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| 21:58.46 | fourstepper | Is there somewhere a place where one can read about upcoming changes and/or proposed changes for the next debian version? |
| 21:59.12 | prison | hi! im having trouble in debian 10 vpn configuring 2 addiotional ipv6 in en3 |
| 21:59.23 | ratrace | fourstepper: https://www.debian.org/News/2020/20201205 |
| 21:59.26 | prison | en3:0 works en3:1 no |
| 21:59.33 | fourstepper | Thanks ratrace |
| 21:59.40 | prison | s/vpn/vps |
| 22:00.11 | prison | any good ideas |
| 22:00.32 | another | afaik you don't need subinterfaces for v6 |
| 22:00.48 | another | or even v4 |
| 22:01.07 | prison | its v4 |
| 22:01.15 | prison | but i have |
| 22:01.40 | ratrace | RIP freshplayerplugin. It's been a fun decade of not using you. |
| 22:01.42 | jhutchins | ratrace: alis drops the names in the server window, opens a chat window, and times out. |
| 22:02.12 | prison | young. |
| 22:02.14 | jhutchins | Is there a feature in xfce that shows space available on drives? |
| 22:02.16 | ratrace | jhutchins: hrm... opens a normal window for me (irssi) |
| 22:02.19 | prison | df -h |
| 22:02.40 | jhutchins | Anyway, I got it with /list |
| 22:02.51 | ratrace | jhutchins: iirc there was some panel add-on thingy you could use |
| 22:02.55 | jhutchins | Actually, I just blindly did a join and it worked. |
| 22:02.57 | prison | ok i'll google it |
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| 22:03.24 | jhutchins | prison: This is for someone who looses 30 IQ points when they open a terminal window. |
| 22:04.05 | prison | use some gadgets |
| 22:04.17 | jhutchins | They have no concept of command line syntax. |
| 22:04.42 | jhutchins | All of the commands sound completely alien to them, they don't type them correctly. |
| 22:04.46 | prison | i cant remember the name.. but it fail |
| 22:05.23 | prison | yes that who has the clock |
| 22:05.28 | prison | the free memory |
| 22:05.30 | prison | disk space |
| 22:05.31 | another | there should be a panel item to add |
| 22:06.10 | jhutchins | Man, I remember back when I did tech support, I talked someone through a sequence, which they did correctly, and I said "now press enter". I hear click-clickety-clickety-clickety-whap-thump. "Didn't work". |
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| 22:07.39 | jhutchins | xfce4-diskperf-plugin |
| 22:07.48 | jhutchins | Thanks for the hints. |
| 22:09.40 | prison | https://mxlinux.org/wiki/applications/guide-to-conky/ |
| 22:10.14 | prison | np |
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| 22:14.00 | menace__ | is there a possibility without apt pinning to block the installation of certain debian packages? |
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| 22:15.47 | altker128 | Hey guys. Question, is there any "reasonable" way to get KDE 5.2 on a Debian system? Last I read it will be in Sid in Jan, wondering if that timeline is true or not |
| 22:16.05 | sney | menace__: I think you can use 'apt-mark hold' to keep a package in the not-installed state, or use equivs to tell apt that you already have it |
| 22:17.07 | sney | altker128: sid is at 5.19 currently. plasma is a big set of packages, so since it's not already in the archive it'd probably be non-trivial even on a bullseye/sid system. maybe there's a flatpak? |
| 22:17.54 | sney | but if you heard that sid was going to get 5.20 in the winter then it's likely that will happen, barring any rc weirdness |
| 22:19.10 | menace__ | sney, thanks |
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| 22:20.14 | altker128 | sney: Any experience building KDE by chance? |
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| 22:22.25 | sney | altker128: not personally, I'm pretty patient. you could look at the kde team's repo on salsa for how they do it, https://salsa.debian.org/qt-kde-team/kde |
| 22:22.50 | jhutchins | Looks like the xfce4-diskperf-plugin is a standard plugin already installed. |
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| 22:23.03 | jhutchins | Not sure it's worth the trouble for a one-off. |
| 22:23.29 | jhutchins | It would be nice if thunar could show space available. |
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| 22:27.02 | jhutchins | I guess I'm pretty much at the end of my day. Thunar shows free space in the bottom bar. I'm pretty sure I knew that, but sometimes things that just work, you don't have to think about, don't come to mind easily. |
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| 22:31.20 | altker128 | Anyone else looking into KDE 5.2 on Debian? |
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| 22:31.43 | rander2 | hello |
| 22:32.12 | SpungeBob | i poop |
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| 22:32.31 | rander2 | sh.t |
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| 22:33.07 | ratrace | altker128: what about it? |
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| 22:33.45 | altker128 | ratrace: I was wondering if anyone else has an interest in seeing KDE 5.2 in Debian and/or if it's being actively worked on or if there's an alternative way to try it out on Debian. |
| 22:33.59 | rander2 | I have wlan0 enabled , but it dont appear in NM menu, |
| 22:34.18 | sney | rander2: is it configured in /etc/network/interfaces? nm ignores anything in that file |
| 22:34.22 | rander2 | it write wifi is disabled |
| 22:34.48 | altker128 | I've been using MATE for several years now and pretty happy with it but wish MATE could treat multiple monitors as their own virtual desktops |
| 22:36.07 | rander2 | sney, http://paste.debian.net/1175769/ # no it dont appears |
| 22:37.27 | jhutchins | ,v kde |
| 22:37.28 | judd | No package named 'kde' was found in amd64. |
| 22:37.32 | jhutchins | ,v kde5 |
| 22:37.33 | judd | No package named 'kde5' was found in amd64. |
| 22:37.38 | sney | ,v kwin-x11 |
| 22:37.39 | judd | Package: kwin-x11 on amd64 -- stretch: 4:5.8.6-1; buster: 4:5.14.5-1; bullseye: 4:5.19.5-3; sid: 4:5.19.5-3 |
| 22:39.04 | ratrace | ,v kde-plasma-desktop |
| 22:39.05 | judd | Package: kde-plasma-desktop on amd64 -- jessie: 5:84; stretch: 5:92; buster: 5:102; bullseye: 5:107; sid: 5:107 |
| 22:39.22 | jhutchins | altker128: So you're really looking for kde 5.20, right? |
| 22:39.31 | rander2 | http://paste.debian.net/1175770/ |
| 22:40.01 | rander2 | wlan0 is active, but on top-right in xfce tell me wifi is disabled |
| 22:40.02 | jhutchins | altker128: Remember, in kde "new" usually means "broken". |
| 22:40.13 | ratrace | kde versioning scheme is more confusing than a fart in a fan factory |
| 22:40.44 | ratrace | there's kde, then there's plasma, two different and yet tightly connected things apparently |
| 22:40.50 | altker128 | jhutchins: Yes, KDE 5.2 . And you're right that new does usually mean 'broken'. |
| 22:41.00 | altker128 | jhutchins: I mean, KDD 5.2.04 if it were available |
| 22:41.01 | ratrace | you mean "Yes, KDE 5.20" |
| 22:41.16 | altker128 | Yes, KDE 5.2xxxxxx |
| 22:41.28 | altker128 | 5.2* |
| 22:42.04 | rander2 | So I must use usb0 to connect through android tethering |
| 22:42.25 | jhutchins | altker128: I think you're confused. The kde site says 5.20 is current, and debian would probably be working with 5.20.x-x |
| 22:42.34 | jhutchins | altker128: It isn't yet. |
| 22:43.05 | jhutchins | altker128: You could file an rp and volunteer to help. |
| 22:43.13 | jhutchins | rfp |
| 22:43.22 | sney | altker128: plasma 5.19.5 was released upstream on sept 1, and uploaded to sid on nov 6. going by that, 5.20 may be uploaded sometime in the next week or two, depending on how much work needs to be done to package it |
| 22:44.16 | altker128 | jhutchins: I'm not opposed at all to contributing. I was actually looking at KDE as a desktop environment for the first time in years so I could in fact go back to doing development work |
| 22:44.26 | altker128 | sney: Thank you |
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| 22:50.47 | ratrace | shit... 5.9-bpo kernel broke audio |
| 22:51.30 | dvs | what? can't hear you |
| 22:53.28 | ratrace | pavucontrol says no cards but also shows vu meter from cmus .... I s'pose that's fell back to alsa... |
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| 22:53.51 | ratrace | must be the year of linux desktop is close |
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| 22:57.19 | Brigo | ratrace, check cat /proc/asound/cards for sound cards |
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| 23:31.50 | j`ey | I had a random kernel in my /boot, and when I just did an update, it got added to grub, should I run some reconfigure thing with dpkg/apt, or should I run update-grub2? |
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| 23:33.36 | ratrace | j`ey: to do what? |
| 23:34.06 | j`ey | to update my grub stuff, so that random kernel isnt in there anymore |
| 23:35.22 | ratrace | how did that random kernel materialize itself there? installed via package? remove the package. update-grub runs grub-mkconfig that enumerates everything kernel-like it finds in /boot |
| 23:35.57 | j`ey | it was one I built and was playing around with |
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| 23:36.14 | ratrace | then remove it from /boot and re-run update-grub |
| 23:36.19 | mrkramps | ratrace, you run custom settings for your snd module? |
| 23:36.52 | ratrace | mrkramps: nah, I fixed it. steam grabbed alsa interfaces too soon.... dunno why, it's supposed to use pulseaudio |
| 23:37.07 | j`ey | ratrace: cool thanks |
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