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| 00:46.07 | cluelessperson | hm. I'm thinking about contributing to debian's apt management. |
| 00:46.24 | cluelessperson | or mirroring |
| 00:46.36 | cluelessperson | I feel I could improve the tooling and provide ready easy docker implementations. :) |
| 00:48.05 | sney | !how-can-i-help |
| 00:48.06 | dpkg | Want to help out with Debian and become more involved in the Debian project? The tools wnpp-alert, rc-alert (both from the devscripts package) and how-can-i-help can provide inspiration on buggy or unmaintained packages that you have installed on your system. Ask me about <wnpp>, <rc-alert>, <devscripts>, <new maintainer guide>. https://debian.org/intro/help |
| 00:48.31 | cluelessperson | sney, thank you. : |
| 00:48.32 | cluelessperson | :) |
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| 00:50.41 | sney | cluelessperson: np. debian does need more contributors. just make sure you spend time getting familiar with the existing tools and workflows etc. |
| 00:52.03 | cluelessperson | sney, well at the moment I'm entering from the angle of mirroring debian's package repos. I've done similar stuff before for offline cluster deployment, but I figure if I get a nice solution I should provide it to the community. :) |
| 00:52.22 | cluelessperson | not sure how much I can commit otherwise, but I love debian and want to make it as resiliant as possible. |
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| 01:14.59 | smashgrab | 15:32:28 sney | smashgrab: network-manager ignores interfaces configured in /etc/network/interfaces, that's probably what's hapening here << Thanks! This was exactly the problem. |
| 01:15.34 | cluelessperson | I'm thinking of ways to handle apt synchronization. Perhaps I can sync changes to an alternate directory, then switch atomically to serve that instead |
| 01:18.02 | sney | smashgrab: yep, common occurrence after using the netinstall. I thought it was changed in the testing installer, but they must have reverted it for now. |
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| 01:20.38 | sney | cluelessperson: in any case, #debian is a support channel, so if you want to discuss contributions, you may be better off in e.g. #debian-mentors on OFTC or various mailing lists. also check out pabs's debian wishlist, and see if any of your ideas match: https://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise |
| 01:21.50 | cluelessperson | sney, thanks. I'll check those out as I am interested contributing in other ways, but at the moment I'm focused and have skills for this specific thing. Thanks. :) |
| 01:22.09 | cluelessperson | sney, hm, #debian-mentors is an invite channel. :P |
| 01:22.18 | sney | on OFTC. right now you are on freenode. |
| 01:22.23 | sney | !oftc |
| 01:22.23 | dpkg | OFTC is the Open and Free Technology Community, a support/collaboration service. They have an IRC network: irc.oftc.net. You may (or may not) be connected to OFTC's network. http://www.oftc.net/ See also <freenode>, <oftc move> and <fact sharing>. |
| 01:22.26 | cluelessperson | ah |
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| 01:34.13 | SpungeBob | !freenode |
| 01:34.13 | dpkg | freenode (formerly Open Projects Network) is a service of the Peer-Directed Projects Center, an IRS 501(c)(3) corporation. They have an IRC network, irc.freenode.net, and you can visit their web page at http://freenode.net/ . You may be connected to freenode. See also <oftc> and <fact sharing>. |
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| 02:04.31 | *** topic/#debian by themill -> Current Debian release is buster, 10.7 point release /msg dpkg 10.7; /msg dpkg buster; /msg dpkg stretch->buster; /msg dpkg apt suite changed | Stretch has limited LTS support: /msg dpkg stretch-lts ; /msg dpkg 9.13 | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg paste | offtopic: #debian-offtopic | testing/unstable: #debian-next @ irc.oftc.net | chanlogs: /msg dpkg irclog |
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| 03:08.04 | oops | 1, how to find whether qt be installed on pc ? 2, how to install qt? |
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| 03:10.37 | dvs | ,v qt5 |
| 03:10.38 | judd | No package named 'qt5' was found in amd64. |
| 03:11.07 | themill | oops: you might need to be more precise. What are you trying to achieve? Qt5 is a highly modularised library. |
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| 03:11.54 | Minall | Hello Debian Community... I can't download the netinstall from the official page, URL not found |
| 03:12.18 | sney | looks like the links haven't been updated to match today's point release. https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 03:13.18 | dvs | oh 10.7 is out? |
| 03:13.39 | Minall | Thanks sney! |
| 03:13.43 | dvs | https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 03:13.52 | dvs | oh duh |
| 03:14.05 | Minall | What does Debian 10.7 has? |
| 03:14.12 | themill | !10.7 |
| 03:14.13 | dpkg | Debian 10.7 was released on Dec 5, 2020. This point release corrects some serious bugs and copies security updates across to the main archive.. Further details are at https://www.debian.org/News/2020/20201205 and http://deb.debian.org/debian/dists/buster/ChangeLog . To upgrade, ask me about <point release>. |
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| 03:15.56 | oops | themill: i install a application called "qucs" , after "./configure", prompting "checking for Qt headers... configure: error: not found |
| 03:15.56 | oops | configure: error: ./configure failed for qucs |
| 03:15.57 | oops | ". then i guess that qt might not be installed |
| 03:16.31 | themill | oops: is qucs ported to Qt5 yet? |
| 03:16.59 | themill | (it was removed from Debian some years ago because it was still Qt4 only) |
| 03:18.29 | sney | oops: header files are packaged separately in debian and not installed by default, you will find them in packages with names ending in -dev. but check on what themill said first, as it may not even be current enough for the software available in debian 10 |
| 03:19.39 | sney | is sure there's a dpkg factoid about that, but the search page isn't loading |
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| 03:21.49 | oops | sney: first of all , how to view the qt version on my pc , i guess what themill said must be true about the qucs |
| 03:22.10 | themill | The only Qt libraries in Debian are Qt5. |
| 03:23.27 | sney | there's probably a cleaner way to do this, but 'apt list libqt5*' and look at the version numbers starting with 5.x |
| 03:24.50 | themill | (Qt6 is about to come out and qucs upstream master "develop" branch is still using Qt4) |
| 03:25.35 | Unit193 | Though I believe the Qt team sent out a message they won't be packaging Qt6. |
| 03:25.54 | sney | for bullseye, or for the forseeable future? |
| 03:26.35 | oops | themill: i suppose you are very familiar with qucs , are there any alternative app for qucs , |
| 03:27.10 | oops | i hope that app have gui feature |
| 03:28.16 | themill | Unit193: no, the two people within the Qt team said that they personally won't be doing so, the team most probably will |
| 03:29.13 | sney | oops: maybe oregano, or gnucap? |
| 03:29.39 | themill | or kicad |
| 03:29.59 | Unit193 | themill: Ah yes, the active members in the team. I found https://perezmeyer.blogspot.com/2020/08/stepping-down-as-qt-6-maintainers.html from misc dev news. |
| 03:30.02 | themill | depends on what features you want. Qucs was quite good at being 'ok' at lots of things |
| 03:30.13 | themill | Unit193: two of the active members |
| 03:31.19 | themill | Unit193: The team is much bigger than those two; they happen to have been the ones looking after Qt5. They weren't he ones looking after Qt3, Qt4 etc |
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| 03:32.07 | themill | (I'm not saying that these are not big shoes to fill, just that one can't extrapolate from that to anything about what will happen with Qt6 in Debian) |
| 03:32.12 | Unit193 | themill: Aha, OK. I'm (clearly) not really aware of the Qt team, just what I saw on d-d-a. |
| 03:32.37 | Unit193 | "So if you would like to have Qt 6 in the archive, you should consider stepping up for the job." And that line was a bit worrying. |
| 03:32.55 | themill | That's always how Debian expresses things, of course |
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| 03:33.55 | themill | They just wanted to be explicit that they were not intending to commit to Qt6, where as the same people look after python2+3, gcc2...10, etc etc |
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| 04:01.01 | Resilience | I would like to ask a couple questions on an off-topic, about remote administration (AMD pro and intel vPro), I know there is another channel more suited to this but mmm they think I am some kind of cybercriminal wannabie, do you mind if I ask here? |
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| 04:02.46 | sney | if it's not related to debian use/administration, it's not appropriate for #debian |
| 04:03.11 | Resilience | sney, that's why it si an off-topic as I said |
| 04:03.22 | sney | then you already answered your own question |
| 04:04.33 | arahael | On a different topic, I'm getting an Apple M1 tomorrow, so I was curious which Debian I could use to run on it (in virtualisation - not on the bare metal). But when I go to https://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst and then click on "arm64", I see that's a broken link. |
| 04:04.59 | themill | arahael: change the 10.6 to 10.7 in the url |
| 04:05.33 | arahael | Ah, cool, thanks for that. |
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| 04:05.55 | arahael | That'll be an experience - virtualisation isn't quite ready yet either. |
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| 07:53.20 | unixbsd | How to convert a gnuplot to png? I would like to not change the code qt/wcx/x11 terminal, but find a macro that gplot=>png... |
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| 07:58.00 | themill | my recollection of gnuplot is that you: set term png / set output "foo.png" / replot / set term whateveritwas |
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| 07:58.53 | themill | (I stopped using gnuplot over 20 years ago, however) |
| 08:03.48 | unixbsd | yeah but set term needs then to update the gplt code...:( |
| 08:04.04 | unixbsd | isnt it a package that does convert direction a plot to png? |
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| 08:09.20 | themill | there is no "plot" until it is drawn into whatever you have "set term foo" |
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| 08:25.45 | unixbsd | often we can convert with gnuplot-x11 or gnuplot-qt for save as... but well, this takes a click. automatic would be cool |
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| 08:59.27 | H-var | why is mouse tracking so bad and choppy on debian compared to windows? |
| 08:59.53 | H-var | I just plugged in my mouse, and allowed both systems to install their own drivers automatically |
| 09:01.02 | H-var | on windows it feels so smooth, and just pleasant, and on linux it feels like the way mouse manipulators worked when the first ever optical mice came out in early 2000's |
| 09:01.18 | H-var | I remember how they felt just the way it feels right now on linux |
| 09:01.49 | H-var | both have same refreh rate settings, and monitor is set to 165hz on both systems |
| 09:01.59 | H-var | but the feeling is so different |
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| 09:09.43 | droid3 | serious for the complexity and pain staking time/effort for creating install packages for various debian , redhat , slackware , xxxbsd ,and other unix/linux variants |
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| 09:10.19 | droid3 | on should just create a website that automates and creates any or all of the target other then mac or windows platforms out there |
| 09:10.55 | ratrace | droid3: you mean like the OBS? |
| 09:11.06 | droid3 | aka you upload an icon file , screenshot , you tar.gz files or source files and out pops you .deb , .rpm , ..tar.xz slackware files ...etc |
| 09:11.18 | ratrace | https://build.opensuse.org/ |
| 09:11.39 | droid3 | whats OBS you mean something different then open broadcasting software |
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| 09:12.05 | ratrace | OpenSuSE Build Service. Note: it's not just about OpenSuSE, it's just their service... |
| 09:12.45 | droid3 | thats for opensuse and it doesnt cees to amaze me in the shit store move options |
| 09:12.52 | droid3 | that nobody ever uses |
| 09:13.10 | ratrace | well... re-read again, it's not just for opensuse. you can use that service to build debian packages |
| 09:13.40 | droid3 | you need an installer script , a custom icon , screenshot , some descriptions and that it why the need for overcomplicated installs just makes everybody life difficult |
| 09:14.01 | ratrace | Gave you the wrong link tho... this is the infomercial: https://openbuildservice.org/ |
| 09:14.01 | droid3 | i betting nobody on earth uses all the features |
| 09:14.06 | themill | If packaging were that simple, then that's all the linux distros would do |
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| 09:14.38 | droid3 | you just need to have install/uninstall script which put the shit where you want it to go / uninstall/cleans up the shit when you want to remove the software. |
| 09:15.20 | themill | Except that most upstreams have zero idea how to produce software that integrates into an ecosystem, have broken installers, no ability to uninstall and aren't portable at all |
| 09:15.31 | droid3 | and then you want to make a good description , custom icon , few screenshots ...etc and your done then it should pop out the .rpm , deb ,...etc all the different flavors for any unix based system |
| 09:15.56 | themill | If you think it's that easy, then go for it. |
| 09:16.40 | droid3 | ok we the other side is you have no installer because you still working on customizing /figuring out all the bullshit settings that half the time fail anyway |
| 09:16.47 | droid3 | but ok your opinion |
| 09:17.20 | themill | Also, less swearing and more thinking will go down better. |
| 09:18.05 | droid3 | how can i go for it when there a shit storm of security bullshit even hindering that with gpg keys ,....list goes on just to get close to a personal repo that everybody can use got forbid i touch a main repo or put shit in there. The whole world would come to an end |
| 09:18.44 | ratrace | that's why I prefer the source distros like gentoo. one can actually use portage on other distros. hint: ChromeOS does that, and some others. then ther's the netBSD's (I think?) pkg something something, also usable distro-agnostic. And 'fcourse ..... teh Nixos. |
| 09:19.27 | ratrace | pkgsrc. https://www.netbsd.org/docs/software/packages.html |
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| 09:43.47 | buhtz | Hello. |
| 09:44.25 | buhtz | I read some tutorials and wiki ressources (e.g. https://wiki.debian.org/BridgeNetworkConnections). But I still have problems using the second LAN port on my PC the right way. |
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| 09:45.42 | buhtz | "The righty way" for me is that I connect a second PC to LAN2-port of the first PC. The second PC then appears as a "normal" client in the local network, it can use the internet connection and it can see all other clients in the local network. |
| 09:46.09 | buhtz | The first PC is connected to the router (and its internet connection) via LAN1-Port. |
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| 09:55.11 | ratrace | buhtz: it's not clear what your setup is and what you want to achieve. can you please summarize it in a pastebin with your network config? |
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| 11:39.51 | buhtz | @ratrace Does this help? https://debianforum.de/forum/gallery/image/2928/medium |
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| 11:47.59 | ratrace | buhtz: it doesn't |
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| 12:53.13 | dob1 | someone has cups installed? does the web admin page "spawn" the basic auth login dialog on firefox? |
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| 12:54.27 | shtrb | that is not the default config , you need to enable it (and yes) |
| 12:54.53 | dob1 | on my system it just works on chromium |
| 12:54.58 | dob1 | I can't login via firefox |
| 12:55.23 | shtrb | It allow you to enter without asking for a username and password on FF but does ask on Chrome ? |
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| 12:56.20 | dob1 | shtrb, on both I go to /admin page then I press "Add Printer" on firefox it hangs, on chromium it open the dialog for login |
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| 12:59.07 | ratrace | last time I used a printer, with cups, was on stretch and there you could normally go to http://localhost:631 and log in as root |
| 12:59.07 | dob1 | shtrb, restarted firefox and It works |
| 12:59.21 | dob1 | ratrace, it requires an user in lpadmin group |
| 12:59.32 | ratrace | not if you login as root |
| 12:59.46 | dob1 | I am doing it not on the local pc |
| 12:59.50 | ratrace | at least, didn't, in Stretch. I don't know if there's any changes to default confg in Buster |
| 13:00.00 | dob1 | so I enabled remote access too |
| 13:01.24 | shtrb | ratrace, FF shouldn't be sending the default connected user (no matter what group it is ) . |
| 13:01.58 | shtrb | dob1, you should block everything , and only enabled a few (local ipv4 ips and not globally accessible IPv6 ips) who are allowed to connect |
| 13:02.17 | cskr | When tracking testing, is there a point in keeping the security repository in sources.list? https://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting seems to have conflicting information. It says, "Remove, disable or comment out your stable security updates apt sources (anything with security.debian.org in it).". But then it also says, "If you are tracking testing or the next-stable code name, you should always have a corresponding deb http://security.debian.org <"testing" or |
| 13:02.18 | cskr | codename>-security main entry in your apt sources.". The testing-security repo is empty. |
| 13:02.23 | shtrb | Learn from my fail , move out IPv6 listening to local IPv4 non routable IPv6 |
| 13:02.37 | dob1 | I put Allow 192.168.1.* |
| 13:02.52 | shtrb | But what are you listening on ? |
| 13:03.01 | dob1 | * |
| 13:03.15 | dob1 | should I put Allow and then Deny All ? |
| 13:03.19 | Dagger | listening on v6 is fine -- your router should be blocking v6 connections from the internet already (and if it isn't, make it do that) |
| 13:03.38 | shtrb | dob1, If you listen on * you are also listening on your IPv6 |
| 13:03.59 | jelly | cskr: well. You shouldn't be tracking testing, you should track by explicit code name, eg. bullseye, and in that case keeping the (typically empty during testing) security repo enabled makes some sense |
| 13:04.03 | shtrb | Dagger, why should your router block IPv6 acess ? it's your laptop / printer firewall to decide |
| 13:04.16 | dob1 | shtrb, but it's a pc behind a router |
| 13:04.50 | dob1 | (I am not an ipv6 expert) |
| 13:04.51 | shtrb | dob1, so ? IPv6 ips are globally routable (no NAT anymore) it's the fun behind it |
| 13:05.00 | jelly | cskr: if you use "testing" in sources.list you're going to have _massive_ breakage after the release when packages for bookworm start coming in |
| 13:05.01 | Dagger | mainly because a lot of firewalls, including Linux's, don't support blocking connections from non-local networks |
| 13:05.11 | Dagger | and because people expect routers to block inbound connections by default |
| 13:05.24 | shtrb | Dagger, block all , enable specific places |
| 13:06.03 | shtrb | Dagger, People also trust and install Facebook , and .run and snaps ,doesn't mean we should be suggestion or even being quite about it. |
| 13:06.10 | Dagger | okay, fine: they don't support enabling connections from local networks |
| 13:06.21 | dob1 | shtrb, so you should be able to access to it if I give you my ipv6 address? |
| 13:06.42 | shtrb | yes, that the idea |
| 13:07.04 | Dagger | dob1: I'd be happy to test, but it's likely you have a firewall blocking unsolicited inbound connections |
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| 13:07.35 | cskr | jelly, tracking testing is a decision I took intentionally. I understand the risk of flood of updates after a stable release. However, do security fixes ever get added to testing-security repo? I'm wondering because the wikie specifically says, "<"testing" or codename>-security main entry" |
| 13:07.41 | shtrb | Dagger, let us not teach people bad habbits of giving your personal information on public please ? |
| 13:07.52 | dob1 | shtrb, but It's just an internal ipv6 addreess, I don't have any ipv6 public address |
| 13:08.23 | shtrb | You and I know , that there is a good chance that his IP address are not using privacy extension and will have his mac address, today many MACs are tied to a person (like a phone number) |
| 13:08.32 | shtrb | Dagger, ^ |
| 13:09.30 | dob1 | it's not clear to me |
| 13:09.44 | Dagger | and let us also not teach them to disable v6 |
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| 13:09.54 | shtrb | dob1, If your ISP would provide you an IPv6 prefix ,your pc would be having a globally routerable address, if however your ips are link local (fe80:::: it should not routable) |
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| 13:10.13 | shtrb | Dagger, I never say to disable IPv6 , I said not to put cups to listen on IPv6 by default |
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| 13:10.35 | Dagger | ...and let's not teach them to reconfigure services to not listen on v6 |
| 13:10.53 | shtrb | fair point :) |
| 13:11.34 | shtrb | I should have suggested for him to allow listen on link-local address and IPv4. |
| 13:12.24 | dob1 | your premis is If your ISP would provide you an IPv6 prefix |
| 13:12.40 | shtrb | dob1, yes (that is the normal for me ) |
| 13:13.04 | jelly | cskr: IIRC it's happened (rarely) that right before a release something was uploaded there but that's going to be a very transient state |
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| 13:14.16 | cskr | jelly, thank you. |
| 13:14.39 | dob1 | I have openwrt on my router, I am looking at ip a output, pppoe has not ipv6 address, ifb4pppoe-wan has 2 ipv6 address an ether one and an inet6 fe80:... |
| 13:15.12 | jelly | cskr: so it doesn't really matter, if you're on testing you'll have to care about security on your own |
| 13:16.25 | shtrb | dob1, brb |
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| 13:17.20 | ratrace | shtrb: "sending"? |
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| 13:19.57 | shtrb|work | ratrace, ? |
| 13:20.56 | jelly | dob1: fe80: is just link-local address, not routable |
| 13:21.12 | ratrace | shtrb: 14:01 < shtrb> ratrace, FF shouldn't be sending the default connected user (no matter what group it is ) . |
| 13:21.25 | dob1 | jelly, and the ether one? |
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| 13:22.15 | jelly | dob1: is it in 2000::/3 ? |
| 13:22.36 | dob1 | jelly, no it stats with 2a |
| 13:22.45 | jelly | that's the mac address |
| 13:22.46 | shtrb | ratrace, by default the only reason for FF not to bump the User/Pass when connecting to a site when the site is configured with Auth, is if it is already setup (either via the url (https://user@password/... ) or preset because a previous connection set it up ) |
| 13:23.10 | dob1 | jelly, ops. right :) |
| 13:23.23 | shtrb | dob1 , A 2A may be globally routable ip |
| 13:23.43 | dob1 | shtrb, it's the mac as jelly said, I was confused |
| 13:24.01 | shtrb | oh I had missed jelly's comment , sorry |
| 13:25.59 | dob1 | shtrb, no problem, I am a bit worried after your considerations :) |
| 13:26.19 | dob1 | I never considered ipv6 as a threat |
| 13:26.32 | Dagger | good, because it's not :| |
| 13:26.35 | shtrb | step 1: make you are using privacy extensions for dhcp (network manager or anything like that) |
| 13:28.10 | shtrb | dob1, always assume that each pc / laptop/ printer is having a public ip and go from there (even for IPv4) , it is harder to make mistakes in IPv4. |
| 13:28.29 | Dagger | ...okay, fair, privacy extensions should be enabled. and inbound connections from outside the network should be blocked, but that's something you need to do for v4 anyway |
| 13:29.21 | dob1 | I don't find this privacy extension on openwrt configuration |
| 13:29.33 | shtrb | dob1, the privacy extension are on client side |
| 13:30.06 | shtrb | Windows , printers , Debian etc |
| 13:30.15 | jelly | #openwrt channel is over there -> and if you don't have ipv6 from your provider you can still play with a he.net tunnel |
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| 13:30.57 | dob1 | ah client side |
| 13:31.16 | dob1 | it's something that restring the connection just for resource on the lan ? something like this? |
| 13:31.20 | dob1 | *restrict |
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| 13:32.35 | shtrb | no , it means that your IP will not have your MAC address , differnet level also mean on how long the IP will change (fixated , between reboots , by time etc) |
| 13:33.48 | dob1 | I have to find it, I have some linux and a windows pc too, and a smartphone |
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| 13:39.44 | shtrb | dob1, netsh int ipv6 set privacy state=? (what you prefer) , nmcli connection modify $NAME ipv6.ip6-privacy $VALUE (https://developer.gnome.org/NetworkManager/stable/settings-ipv6.html ) |
| 13:40.33 | Dagger | Windows will already have privacy extensions enabled... and I believe network-manager will too |
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| 13:42.55 | dob1 | I will search for it |
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| 14:50.38 | Franciman | Hi, is it possible to debug PCI communcations? |
| 14:51.09 | Franciman | I'd like to detect whether PCI stops transmitting |
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| 14:51.13 | Franciman | interrupt messages |
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| 14:54.03 | jelly | Franciman: sounds like a question for ##hardware |
| 14:54.32 | Franciman | thanks! |
| 14:55.24 | jelly | Franciman: as for linux, there's a multitude of ways to generate and process interrupts, and there's a counter at /proc/interrupts |
| 14:55.53 | Franciman | hm I see, how do drivers usually work? |
| 14:55.55 | jelly | watch -d cat /proc/interrupts |
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| 14:56.22 | Franciman | how does the driver tell the system about its device interrupts? |
| 14:56.47 | jelly | that really really depends on the hardware, the way the hardware is connected, PCI/PCIe capabilities of the bus and device |
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| 14:57.49 | jelly | at boot time, and at PCI hotplug time, the kernel enumerates the PCI bus/tree and finds out which devices there are and tries to use the "best" irq method for each |
| 14:58.10 | Franciman | my driver says it should use MSI |
| 14:58.32 | jelly | you can see which method is used in /proc/interrupts |
| 14:58.47 | jelly | if the driver is actually loaded and bound a device |
| 14:59.53 | jelly | lspci tool has various levels of verbosity to show capabilities present and active for each device |
| 15:00.06 | Franciman | thanks a lot |
| 15:00.17 | Franciman | I'd like to understand why the hell my device stops sending interrupts to the driver |
| 15:00.35 | jelly | start debugging by looking at dmesg output |
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| 15:01.02 | Franciman | unfortunately there is no output in dmesg. In fact, my bet is that the device (which runs a non free firmware) hangs |
| 15:01.36 | jelly | Franciman: can you tell us which device it is and which kernel version and debian version is running? |
| 15:01.51 | Franciman | oh yes, it's a qca6174 qualcomm atheros wifi card |
| 15:02.07 | Franciman | and I'm on debian 10.6 |
| 15:02.08 | jelly | show the output of "lspci -nn" for that thing |
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| 15:02.47 | Franciman | jelly, https://bpa.st/4NMQ |
| 15:03.16 | jelly | 02:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Qualcomm Atheros QCA6174 802.11ac Wireless Network Adapter [168c:003e] (rev 32) |
| 15:03.19 | jelly | this? |
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| 15:04.58 | jelly | Franciman: is that the device in question? |
| 15:05.04 | Franciman | yes |
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| 15:05.13 | jelly | Franciman: which kernel are you using right now? uname -a |
| 15:05.31 | Franciman | right now I'm using 4.15 from ubuntu (because here it doesn't fail) |
| 15:05.45 | Franciman | Linux francesco-XPS-13-9380 4.15.0-1030-oem #35-Ubuntu SMP Sat Dec 8 04:37:03 UTC 2018 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 15:05.59 | jelly | ouch, 2018 |
| 15:06.15 | Franciman | ehe, I'm trying to bisect the error, probably there is some regression |
| 15:07.18 | jelly | Franciman: it's also possible that ubuntu has custom patches for your hardware that never got upstreamed and never got into debian |
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| 15:08.16 | jelly | Franciman: the simplest thing do might be to try a debian kernel from buster-backports, with matching firmware from the same place, see if that works better |
| 15:08.23 | jelly | !bdo kernel |
| 15:08.24 | dpkg | Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are available from the <buster-backports> repository. After modifying your sources.list, run «apt update». To install the current backported kernel: «apt -t buster-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`». To list available backported kernel image packages: «aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'». |
| 15:08.34 | jelly | !buster-backports |
| 15:08.34 | dpkg | Some packages intended for Bullseye (Debian 11) but recompiled for use with Buster (Debian 10) can be found in the buster-backports repository. See http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ . Ask me about <bdo>, <backports>. |
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| 15:10.14 | jelly | Franciman: so at the very least you'd need firmware-misc-nonfree for intel gpu firmware bits and firmware-atheros for ath10k_pci |
| 15:10.36 | jelly | updated together with kernel |
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| 15:15.29 | Franciman | jelly, I tried the backported versions |
| 15:15.31 | Franciman | still no luck |
| 15:15.55 | Franciman | jelly, also I tried ubuntu with 4.18 and ubuntu with 5.3 and they have the same problem |
| 15:16.00 | Franciman | so there must be a regression in the driver |
| 15:16.15 | jelly | Franciman: did you use the matching firmware versions? |
| 15:16.20 | Franciman | I did |
| 15:16.29 | jelly | good |
| 15:16.46 | jelly | did you try telling ath10k_pci _not_ to use msi? |
| 15:17.16 | Franciman | uh, that's interesting |
| 15:17.19 | Franciman | I did not |
| 15:17.28 | Franciman | I can try! |
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| 15:17.57 | Franciman | but I'm pretty sure that it's the wifi card that hangs, because when I send some wmi messages, like a scan message, I get a timeout |
| 15:18.05 | Franciman | the card gets restarted and then it briefly works |
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| 15:18.43 | Franciman | also this issue happens exactly when my father's smartphone is connected to the same 5GHz wifi network :P |
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| 15:20.35 | jelly | parm: irq_mode:0: auto, 1: legacy, 2: msi (default: 0) (uint) |
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| 15:23.33 | Franciman | jelly, does msi have any problem? |
| 15:24.45 | jelly | if you see setting option ath10k_pci irq_mode=1 makes any difference, then you can answer that question yourself |
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| 15:25.17 | Franciman | lol |
| 15:25.19 | Franciman | thanks |
| 15:25.33 | jelly | ath10k_core seems to be hiding more debug options |
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| 15:26.28 | jelly | I think I have a similar card somewhere... |
| 15:27.05 | jelly | oh, in the tp-link router. 01:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Qualcomm Atheros QCA986x/988x 802.11ac Wireless Network Adapter [168c:003c] |
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| 15:34.40 | Franciman | jelly, sorry, is there a way to understand which PCI lane I'm using for the card? |
| 15:36.34 | jelly | no idea, also, a single card might use multiple lanes. Also, if there were PCIe issues the kernel would probably complain. |
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| 15:38.00 | jelly | Franciman: you could try a 4.15 debian kernel from snapshots and some in between |
| 15:38.06 | jelly | !snapshot |
| 15:38.06 | dpkg | http://snapshot.debian.org/ is an archive of almost all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way non-free. This service replaces snapshot.debian.net. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100412 |
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| 15:39.08 | GNU\colossus | lanes just tranlate to more bandwidth/link speed. `sudo lspci -vv` displays that info. |
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| 15:39.26 | GNU\colossus | (but as jelly said, it's unlikely you have a PCI-level problem with the card) |
| 15:39.46 | Franciman | wo thanks a lot for the snapshot |
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| 15:42.35 | Franciman | understood |
| 15:42.51 | Franciman | jelly, I guess that's what I'm gonna do |
| 15:42.57 | Franciman | I am over with this ubuntu strangeness |
| 15:43.57 | Franciman | does ubuntu have a git repo for the kernel versions? |
| 15:44.13 | Franciman | that'd help a lot because I could use git bisect and jump to the important commits only |
| 15:44.22 | Franciman | err |
| 15:44.25 | Franciman | does debian* |
| 15:44.26 | Franciman | sorry |
| 15:44.33 | jelly | both do. |
| 15:44.42 | Franciman | ubuntu seems to cut the history at each release |
| 15:44.53 | Franciman | I'd love a continuous history |
| 15:44.54 | Franciman | :P |
| 15:44.57 | Franciman | from 4.15 to 4.19 |
| 15:45.26 | jelly | https://salsa.debian.org/kernel-team/linux |
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| 15:46.39 | Franciman | thank you T.T |
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| 15:46.50 | Franciman | this is awesome |
| 15:47.22 | jelly | no, this. is. gitlab. |
| 15:47.47 | ratrace | sparta? |
| 15:48.14 | jelly | SALSA |
| 15:49.21 | ratrace | no thanks, I rhumba |
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| 15:51.05 | darutoko | can some one recommend backup software for desktop use? I want to choose which folders to backup< where and how often. |
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| 15:51.52 | Franciman | darutoko, maybe resilio sync? |
| 15:52.19 | dvs | darutoko: rsnapshot? |
| 15:53.02 | darutoko | thank you, I'll look at them |
| 15:53.40 | ratrace | deja dup? |
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| 15:56.42 | Franciman | sney, you said ubuntu has a unique history too? |
| 15:57.03 | Franciman | I think they hate me on #ubuntu after I said I wanted to sue canonical |
| 15:57.22 | Franciman | because I could not get the source code of linux-4.18 from apt |
| 15:57.32 | shtrb | LOL |
| 15:58.30 | Franciman | err |
| 15:58.31 | Franciman | jelly* |
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| 16:03.08 | punkgeek | I hve this error when I want to install any kinds of environment in ubuntu 12.04 or debian 10. https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/mNVWQWfm4J/ What is it for? |
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| 16:08.50 | eth01 | hi, anybody here familiar with 'swapoff -a' ? |
| 16:11.30 | another | what do you mean? what's there to be familiar with? |
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| 16:13.19 | konna44 | Hi, just did dist-upgrade and got this error while upgrading kernel: Error! Your kernel headers for kernel 4.19.0-13-amd64 cannot be found |
| 16:13.26 | konna44 | here's more: https://bpa.st/HS6Q |
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| 16:14.01 | konna44 | I don't have any kernel headers installed and I think I don't have any DKMS packages either so should I care about this? |
| 16:15.53 | konna44 | oh, actually I have wireguard-dkms ... but did I get this error when I installed it originally... not sure. |
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| 16:35.48 | konna44 | :O |
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| 16:43.32 | maxrazer | What does the "find" command do if I use it without the "-name" flag? It seems to search and tells me no files or directories with the supplied argument, but there is. It can only find the directory or file if I use "-name" |
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| 16:48.02 | koollman | maxrazer: it doesn't say that when I try it |
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| 16:48.38 | koollman | it lists the file given as an argument, or if the argument is a directory, it lists its content recursively |
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| 17:41.40 | sway | Is there a known problem with installing gnome-contacts on a 10.6 / Mate system ? Using the software app, it says it installed but the app is not showing in any of the DE menu items. |
| 17:42.47 | sway | And running 'apt search gnome-contacts' it shows as (installed) ? |
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| 17:47.43 | towo` | maybe because it needs gnome-shell, which you do not use? |
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| 17:48.34 | jmcnaught | sway: it has the line OnlyShowIn=Gnome;Unity; in its .desktop file: /usr/share/applications/org.gnome.Contacts.desktop |
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| 17:50.29 | sway | jmcnaught, That would be why then !! Thank you. |
| 17:52.34 | sway | towo`, learning curve :) |
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| 19:21.44 | cybrNaut | can someone plz decode this version for me? "4:0.161.3015+git4c2aafd-dmo0~bpo9+1" |
| 19:22.35 | cybrNaut | the man page doesn't say what the "4:" is, or the parts after the "~" and "+" |
| 19:22.44 | jmcnaught | cybrNaut: https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#version |
| 19:23.31 | cybrNaut | thanks |
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| 19:24.39 | jhutchins | Cypher100: What's the package? |
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| 19:29.54 | jhutchins | cybrNaut: What package are you working with? |
| 19:29.58 | jhutchins | Cypher100: Oops. |
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| 19:47.21 | cybrNaut | jhutchins: that version was just a cherry-picked sample of a complex version#. The actual package I'm messing with is mythtv-frontend |
| 19:48.44 | jhutchins | cybrNaut: Just curious, sometimes people have a little extra knowledge of the versioning. |
| 19:48.53 | jhutchins | ,v mythtv-frontend |
| 19:48.54 | judd | Package: mythtv-frontend on amd64 -- stretch-multimedia: 0.28.2-dmo1+deb9u1; buster-multimedia: 30.0+fixes20201003.git622c94965e-dmo1+deb10u2; bullseye-multimedia: 31.0+fixes20201018.giteb3c84de5f-dmo2; sid-multimedia: 31.0+fixes20201018.giteb3c84de5f-dmo2 |
| 19:49.44 | cybrNaut | My problem is that an Ubuntu host is running mythtv-backend ver# 32.0. I need a Debian host to run a version of mythtv-frontend that matches it. But on Debian nothing is newer than 30.0 |
| 19:50.16 | jhutchins | cybrNaut: You could downgrade the version on the Ubuntu box. |
| 19:50.38 | cybrNaut | I tried backports and also deb-multimedia, and deb-multimedia backports, and still nothing exceeds 30.0. |
| 19:51.22 | sney | could use the dsc from ubuntu to rebuild that same 32.x package on the debian host, if you don't mind having a toolchain on it |
| 19:51.28 | cybrNaut | jhutchins: downgrading is not likely possible b/c every version changes the db, so the db would have to be migrated for an older version |
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| 19:53.02 | cybrNaut | it's a bit baffling b/c mythty.org says the latest release is 31.0, so Ubuntu is really bleeding edge it seems |
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| 19:53.43 | sney | ubuntu has no qualms shipping packages based on upstream's devel branches or random stuff from github, it's really incredible |
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| 20:03.43 | brachamh | ubuntu is like microsoft: "it should work, so here ya go!" |
| 20:04.14 | short-bike | brachamh: +1 |
| 20:05.32 | brachamh | that's why i switched to debian |
| 20:05.42 | brachamh | as soon as i had half an idea what i was doing |
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| 20:07.20 | short-bike | I tried ubuntu once, by accident. |
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| 20:09.53 | cybrNaut | well i'm tempted to try the Ubuntu version on Debian. In the worst case I have to delete the pkg & restore /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 20:10.14 | brachamh | + |
| 20:10.31 | brachamh | oops |
| 20:11.16 | cybrNaut | shit it came from a PPA. I'm not dealing with that.. i'll just forget about it |
| 20:12.48 | brachamh | ok so apparently my server's /home partition is too small...so i have to (re)move the swap partition which is next, expand the /home partition, and then create a new swap partition. |
| 20:13.03 | brachamh | i can't be using any of those partitions while i do that, can i? |
| 20:14.02 | cybrNaut | brachamh: i guess you'll need to boot a live USB image to do that |
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| 20:14.48 | brachamh | yup and apparently i need to set up a live usb that's not for uefi |
| 20:14.50 | cybrNaut | or perhaps you can logout, and login as root on a tty |
| 20:15.26 | cybrNaut | root doesn't need /home mounted, i don't think |
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| 20:15.43 | brachamh | hmmm...that's a thought. |
| 20:15.59 | short-bike | turn swap off too. |
| 20:16.47 | brachamh | i have docker containers running out of the /home partition...i'd probably just have to stop the appropriate containers first too...? |
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| 20:25.25 | quadrathoch2 | yes brachamh |
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| 20:39.09 | peterrooney | stunned by icedove upgrade altering things in $HOME |
| 20:39.18 | brachamh | apparently the live iso i have is a uefi only |
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| 20:46.45 | peterrooney | currently digging through backups to figure out waht they did. not positively impressed. |
| 20:48.02 | quadrathoch2 | brachamh what iso do you have? |
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| 20:53.10 | brachamh | quadrathoch2, debian-live-10.5.0-amd64-mate.iso |
| 20:53.50 | quadrathoch2 | brachamh that should be legacy bootable for sure |
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| 20:54.28 | sney | if it was copied to the usb drive with one of those tools that repacks the iso, it's possible that the bootloader was mangled |
| 20:54.55 | brachamh | i used etcher last time, and dd this time |
| 20:55.22 | sney | hmm, not that then |
| 20:55.39 | tomreyn | to the raw storage, or toa partition? |
| 20:55.45 | brachamh | raw |
| 20:56.09 | tomreyn | hmm, sounds like it should have worked then |
| 20:56.46 | brachamh | yeah. seems to me i had issues getting this machine to boot off of usb back when i first set it up |
| 20:57.04 | short-bike | Something in BIOS that needs a tweak maybe ? |
| 20:57.13 | brachamh | already done |
| 20:58.19 | tomreyn | why is this? "apparently i need to set up a live usb that's not for uefi" |
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| 20:59.56 | brachamh | old system, no uefi... |
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| 21:00.23 | tomreyn | doh that old, i see. |
| 21:00.45 | ahylight | what are the different NTFS drivers? ntfs-3g vs paragon-soft-driver vs another one? |
| 21:01.01 | brachamh | well, it's about ten years old...i don't remember when uefi came out, but this thing doesn't have it |
| 21:01.40 | tomreyn | oh 10 years isn't that old. i was expecting older. |
| 21:02.02 | tomreyn | ahylight: you got replies to this cross posted question in ##linux |
| 21:02.05 | brachamh | fair enough. still seems to be old school |
| 21:02.52 | ahylight | tomreyn, ok let's continue there, thanks! |
| 21:03.37 | brachamh | so i'm going to learn partition management (other than initial creation) from the command line |
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| 21:08.19 | Lokie | hello quick question. Is it possible to have a live cd image run only in cli? |
| 21:09.34 | sney | yes, the debian live 'standard' image doesn't even have a gui on the disc |
| 21:11.41 | Lokie | ok thanks grabbing it. I am trying to configure partitions / luks / lvm and then debootstrap |
| 21:12.46 | Lokie | with the xfce one debootstrap failed mainly due to running out of space. Any tips for that? |
| 21:13.31 | jmcnaught | If you use a debian-installer image like netinst (not a live image) the installer can configure LUKS + LVM |
| 21:13.40 | MikeDebian | gnome shell system monitor extension seems to not work on Debian 10. Anyone has tried? |
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| 21:16.56 | Lokie | jmcnaught I tried that, it sends me to grub cmd after boot, trying to do it all manual |
| 21:18.53 | Lokie | plus I imagined it should be possible to do all the steps manually, so I am wondering what I am doing wrong |
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| 21:21.15 | jmcnaught | Lokie: there is a guide to doing it manually in the install manual: https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/amd64/apds03.en.html |
| 21:23.08 | jmcnaught | If you have not already tried using the guided partitioning for encrypted LVM then I would give that a try, if only to see how sets things up. |
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| 21:25.35 | Lokie | thank you will check it out |
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| 21:29.37 | another | Lokie: might want to use a grml if you want to do it manually |
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| 21:46.32 | brachamh | well this is fun, got my home partition resized, now re-setting up the swap partition |
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| 21:51.42 | brachamh | now reboot to get everything started up again...it should all work lol |
| 21:52.01 | sway | Anything other than update/upgrade to go from 10.6 to 10.7 ? |
| 21:52.58 | quadrathoch2 | nope sway |
| 21:53.23 | sway | quadrathoch2, perfect. Thank you. |
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| 22:08.14 | brachamh | ok now i'm running into this: on boot, it stalls for a while and then says it gave up waiting for suspend/resume device |
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| 22:09.44 | brachamh | oh, think i found it |
| 22:09.55 | brachamh | gotta love internet search engines that work lol |
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| 23:28.42 | jhutchins | Swant: As always, READ the release notes, check for errata, make a backup. |
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| 23:28.56 | jhutchins | Blast. |
| 23:29.16 | jhutchins | quadrathoch2: Please recommend the above if people ask about upgrades. |
| 23:29.35 | Swant | jhutchins, will do :p but I think you meant sway |
| 23:29.49 | jhutchins | Swant: Yeah, autocomplete, didn't realize he'd left. |
| 23:30.11 | Swant | :D |
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| 23:42.22 | droid3 | curious where does the screenshots and custom icons get pulled from for the display in software center what hosting site or how do you set the screenshot and custom icons to display for an app in software center??? |
| 23:47.00 | jmcnaught | droid3: I think what you are looking for is AppStream: https://wiki.debian.org/AppStream |
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| 23:51.25 | droid3 | this is what i mean to make sure jmcnaught you understand me |
| 23:51.26 | droid3 | https://imgur.com/a/iNEDaX5 |
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| 23:52.53 | droid3 | So if i was the person creating the Converseen app and placed it in the repo how would i get the screenshots and custom icon to show. I get how to have a deb or rpm package install a .desktop file and icons so you have an icon to execute on your startup menu /dash for your installed application/package |
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| 23:53.58 | droid3 | yet i am unsure i to get a package repo that software center goes against to display a screenshot and custom icon. I would imagine this is independent of the deb , rpm etc installer package |
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| 23:54.56 | droid3 | how hope you get what i am asking as i have created a deb file locally on my machine and can click on it. It opens in software center by default and the short /long descriptions are there with the title ...etc |
| 23:55.20 | droid3 | its just that it has a default icon it uses and no screenshot section is displayed |
| 23:56.03 | droid3 | i dont think its part of the deb file but if it is a tag that can be add to the control file i like to know about a screenshot url tag or a custom url tag in a control file |
| 23:56.44 | droid3 | it seems as its more what hosting site you use and if it supports the features jmcnaught |
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| 23:58.35 | tp43_ | Hi, where is the default config file for gvim? |
| 23:58.43 | droid3 | wait so how portable is this AppStream method ??? |
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| 23:59.59 | jmcnaught | droid3: I do not know much about it, just that that seems to be where gnome-software is getting icons and other metadata about packages that is not provided by APT or dpkg. |