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| 00:10.55 | f8e4 | sudo: aa-comlain: command not found # apparmor-utils is installed |
| 00:11.09 | f8e4 | src: https://gitlab.com/apparmor/apparmor/-/wikis/Profiling_by_hand#put-in-complain-mode |
| 00:11.50 | jmcnaught | f8e4: complain has a 'p' |
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| 00:15.40 | mason | f8e4: If you use mksh, don't use this to test, but here's an example of that set from the video applied to /bin/mksh: https://bpa.st/LNGA |
| 00:15.48 | mason | Note that it's a bit cargo cult as I'm still learning. |
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| 00:16.26 | mason | bbiab, dinner myself |
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| 01:06.25 | f8e4 | can xdg-mime list all default apps like xfce 'prefered applicaitons' does |
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| 01:11.25 | themill | I don't believe so |
| 01:13.25 | f8e4 | i changed '~/.config/mimeapps.list' to another browser but the ;xdg-mime query default text/html' points to old one |
| 01:13.48 | f8e4 | do i need reload or sth? |
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| 01:16.28 | f8e4 | ends on downnote: https://blog.codef00.com/2011/02/18/the-default-browser-on-linux-debacle/ |
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| 01:20.21 | rr123 | is there a way to bind a program/process to an IP address, e.g. I have two NICs and I want to have chrome use one of them while the rest of processes use another |
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| 01:21.41 | another | proper routing |
| 01:21.56 | another | might want to use a netns for that |
| 01:22.23 | rr123 | another: yes playing with net namespace, might be the 'only' way to do it |
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| 01:25.37 | another | not the only way but probably the most convienient |
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| 01:26.45 | another | alternative: run under separate user and route that uid differently via policy routing |
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| 01:32.28 | rr123 | never thought about that, policy routing based on userid to different IP, let me check, thanks |
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| 01:54.37 | GnuLinuxCat | Btw Debian has a security advisory, DSA-4808-1, for apt. https://www.debian.org/security/2020/dsa-4808 |
| 01:54.37 | GnuLinuxCat | It is my impression that the security advisory only applies to malformed deb files, so if you update apt the usual way "sudo apt-get update" and "sudo apt-get upgrade," it would be safe to fix the security issue that way. Is this impression correct? |
| 01:54.37 | GnuLinuxCat | I just want to check before I updated apt that way. |
| 01:55.07 | GnuLinuxCat | *update |
| 01:55.11 | sney | yes |
| 01:55.38 | Unit193 | ...So I should stop adding 13 3rd party repos!? :o |
| 01:56.04 | sponix | Unit193: no ... its perfectly fine for YOU |
| 01:56.09 | sponix | ;) |
| 01:56.15 | Unit193 | Oh good. Whew. |
| 01:56.31 | GnuLinuxCat | ok great thanks |
| 01:56.54 | sney | also, see how it says "resulting in denial of service"? on your local system that would manifest as apt getting stuck, and you can ctrl+c it |
| 01:57.27 | sney | this would be more of a practical concern for e.g. headless vms that upgrade automatically |
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| 02:22.33 | zuckerbug | I'm guessing Debian got a flood of Centos refugees as of late. |
| 02:23.39 | dvs | Why? There's gonna be a new distro based on RHEL? |
| 02:23.54 | Unit193 | Rocky, yeah. |
| 02:24.10 | zuckerbug | I doubt Rocky will be in place by the end of next year. |
| 02:24.20 | zuckerbug | Which is when they end support for Centos 8 |
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| 02:25.01 | zuckerbug | I was considering ubuntu for my workstation/servers, but it seems that Debian stable might be a better choice |
| 02:27.18 | sney | dpkg: centos->debian |
| 02:27.18 | dpkg | Each debian stable release is supported for at least 5 years, see https://wiki.debian.org/LTS. For more about debian topics relevant to existing centos users, see https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/, especially sections 2.2, 3.1.3, and 4.5. For best results in #debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/GettingHelpOnIrc. |
| 02:29.00 | sney | for general purpose linux stuff like hosting a website, it doesn't make a big difference what distro you use. but if you want something with stable, frozen software versions, security support, and doesn't need to be rebooted more than once a year, debian is your friend |
| 02:29.36 | sney | centos used to have that market locked up. their loss |
| 02:30.14 | zuckerbug | I find that the older I get the more stability I require. |
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| 02:30.21 | dvs | Well, I can't say I didn't see that coming. |
| 02:30.34 | sponix | Interesting world we live in when Red Hat looks like the Bad Guys |
| 02:32.38 | sponix | zuckerbug: actually out of the RHEL clones Oracle's "Unbreakable Linux" is likely the best contender, if you can get past the Oracle branding |
| 02:32.41 | sney | IBM couldn't make money off CentOS directly, and were unable/unwilling to see the bigger picture, is what I've heard as the root cause of this. but anyway, former centos users will find plenty to like about debian stable |
| 02:32.49 | dvs | Well, not the bad guy, just greedy |
| 02:32.52 | dvs | er |
| 02:33.47 | sponix | I've never been a RHEL/CentOS Fan anyway. last time I did that in a VM the install process was very tedious |
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| 02:34.28 | dvs | should have known it was an IBM decision |
| 02:34.35 | sney | rocky linux is a bit fly-by-night and afaict doesn't have a real relationship with their upstream, they wouldn't be able to forward bugs with any particular traction, etc. debian doesn't have an upstream. we'll see how it shakes out over the next year+ anyway |
| 02:34.48 | sponix | Think Debian does better in that regard with doing just a pretty bare install, and you build from there. Instead of trying to determine roles and stuff inside the initial install |
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| 02:36.23 | wrycode | Hi, I have an issue that I have read up on a decent amount but I'm not really sure how to proceed. From a specific user on my Debian 10 server, any systemctl --user commands give me the following error: Failed to read server status: Process org.freedesktop.systemd1 exited with status 1. I had this issue on another user but the following lines in my .bashrc fixed it: |
| 02:36.29 | wrycode | export $(dbus-launch) |
| 02:36.32 | wrycode | export XDG_RUNTIME_DIR=/run/user/$(id -u) |
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| 02:37.36 | wrycode | but it does not solve the issue for this specific user. Everything is pretty stock/clean on the server and for this user |
| 02:39.08 | wrycode | It may be a systemd bug more than a Debian bug |
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| 02:41.54 | wrycode | I have found several places with this bug documented but the only fix given is the XDG_RUNTIME_DIR thing. It is strange that it works fine on other users but not this user. |
| 02:43.03 | sponix | wrycode: seems you should create a new user, and migrate the troubled users data over ;) |
| 02:43.51 | wrycode | I just tried it with a new user and it still does not work. I'm wondering if something about the way I'm launching dbus only works for one user or something |
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| 02:45.09 | wrycode | This is what I just tried: http://ix.io/2HMJ |
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| 02:51.41 | wrycode | I thought dbus was supposed to be started automatically |
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| 02:55.43 | quadrathoch2 | dvs just as a sidenote, that's totally on Redhat, not IBM |
| 02:56.22 | dvs | uh huh |
| 02:57.02 | quadrathoch2 | the decision happened before even ibm got into the picture |
| 02:57.51 | dvs | So they're gonna buy out Rocky in the future too? |
| 02:59.33 | sponix | dvs: well, guess they could just be like VMWare and not publish any of their changes LOL |
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| 02:59.44 | sponix | Seems you can just get away with that |
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| 03:41.57 | wrycode | Is updating to systemd 246.6-2 using buster backports a bad idea? |
| 03:42.29 | dvs | ,v systemd |
| 03:42.30 | judd | Package: systemd on amd64 -- jessie: 215-17+deb8u7; jessie-security: 215-17+deb8u13; stretch-security: 232-25+deb9u11; stretch: 232-25+deb9u12; stretch-backports: 241-5~bpo9+1; buster: 241-7~deb10u5; buster-backports: 246.6-2~bpo10+1; bullseye: 247.1-3; sid: 247.1-4 |
| 03:43.01 | sney | packages in buster-backports are intended to work with buster, so broadly, it's probably safe... except you're already seeing anomalous behavior with just the buster packages, so you might want to fix that first |
| 03:44.18 | wrycode | hah yeah okay. A small part of me hopes that it's a systemd bug that's been fixed in the next version. |
| 03:45.52 | pfred1 | using systemd is a bug |
| 03:47.04 | wrycode | on my part or Debian's? |
| 03:47.48 | pfred1 | why is everything either or? |
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| 04:06.54 | wrycode | against all odds, updating fixed systemctl --user commands for the matrix user |
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| 04:08.17 | wrycode | but not the test user for some crazy reason... but it works for the matrix and git users, which is all I need for now. Wtf? |
| 04:12.04 | sponix2ipfw | If it fixed more than it broke your doing good imho |
| 04:15.27 | wrycode | I'm going to reboot again to make sure it's not a fluke |
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| 04:22.07 | wrycode | ok, it is fixed for all users that have linger enabled |
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| 04:35.42 | pfred1 | whoops wrong channel too excited sorry |
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| 08:03.39 | no_gravity | Good Morning |
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| 08:04.41 | no_gravity | Why does CTRL+D kill a bash session when I have not typed anything on the line yet, but after I typed a char, it does not? |
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| 08:12.55 | shtrb | Does anyone have a clue what tool I can use to control /disable MyAnalytics from Kmail or any sane mail client (without using a browser) ? |
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| 08:20.36 | nkuttler | thunderbird works fine for me |
| 08:21.27 | trui | I'd guess it's just a good default behavior. ctrl+d sends end of file, and i think it's often been used in that fashion, no_gravity |
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| 08:22.51 | no_gravity | trui: I think I found it. It seems to be part of readline: http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/readline.git/tree/readline.c#n591 |
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| 08:26.37 | themill | A file is supposed to end after a line termination |
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| 08:46.40 | unixbsd | how to run on armel/arm atari ST? hatariÃ, you think only? |
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| 09:07.35 | shtrb | nkuttler, you can setup MyAnalytics via Thunderbird without browser access ? can you say how you do it ? |
| 09:07.44 | shtrb | *disable MyAnalytics |
| 09:07.54 | shtrb | where to push etc |
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| 09:11.12 | shtrb | I'm having a PBCAK case here because I just can't figure out what option / tab to click to do it. |
| 09:11.57 | nkuttler | shtrb: oh, sorry, totally misread your question |
| 09:16.29 | shtrb | mkuttler , I'm ok to disable it via mutt , or even curl if that is possible |
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| 10:14.26 | Fromhell | hallo |
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| 10:19.33 | Fromhell | some one can help |
| 10:19.45 | mrkramps | Fromhell, ask a question |
| 10:20.22 | Fromhell | mrkramps ok |
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| 10:23.46 | Fromhell | mrkramps have problem whith cockpit |
| 10:23.49 | Fromhell | couldn't read from connection: Peer failed to perform TLS handshake |
| 10:24.08 | Fromhell | but if inrestart it i can connect local from server |
| 10:24.52 | Fromhell | if i try host:9090 |
| 10:24.58 | Fromhell | it show mistake |
| 10:25.49 | Fromhell | Internal error in login process |
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| 10:26.41 | unixbsd | is there a bug fix to KDE for getting Wireless? megabug, it asks for getting root passwrd, and no wireless is setup. you can do this endlessly, infinite. |
| 10:28.40 | mrkramps | Fromhell, which browser you're using for accessing cockpit? |
| 10:28.51 | Fromhell | chrome |
| 10:29.01 | mrkramps | Fromhell, same issue with firefox? |
| 10:29.28 | mrkramps | Fromhell, asking this because there seem to be browser related issues with cockpit |
| 10:29.33 | Fromhell | i never use firefox |
| 10:30.26 | Fromhell | try to uze it from firefox |
| 10:30.43 | shtrb | unixbsd, that sound as if the wallet or dbus services not running |
| 10:31.34 | shtrb | unixbsd, are you running a full plasma session , or you are using just a subset of kde apps ? do you use plasma-nm or some other widget ? |
| 10:31.42 | Fromhell | shtr crom server it works |
| 10:31.53 | Fromhell | from |
| 10:33.05 | unixbsd | apt-get install kde-standard |
| 10:33.13 | unixbsd | shouldnt be better than that. |
| 10:33.27 | unixbsd | it is a serious bug |
| 10:33.46 | unixbsd | I have checked on board and forum, this is everyone that has such an issue. or million people. |
| 10:33.55 | unixbsd | I meant, a lot. |
| 10:35.23 | Fromhell | unixbsd i dont use kde , i use only ssh terminal |
| 10:35.56 | shtrb | unixbsd, are using debian buster or something else ? on what forum are you talking aobut ? |
| 10:36.01 | ratrace | unixbsd: is it reported somewhere? |
| 10:36.05 | mrkramps | Fromhell, they are not talking to you |
| 10:36.25 | unixbsd | no idea if bug report. at least on forums, it is written everywhere. |
| 10:36.26 | shtrb | unixbsd, try the next : perform a full logout and let sddm restart , re login to a plasma session |
| 10:36.35 | ratrace | unixbsd: link please? |
| 10:36.43 | unixbsd | I have tried for about 6 months. it just dont work. |
| 10:37.07 | unixbsd | https://www.google.at/search?q=wallet+kde+wireless+root+error&oq=wallet+kde+wireless+root+error&aqs=chrome..69i57.12490j1j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 |
| 10:37.08 | shtrb | unixbsd, it is VERY important after kde installation to perform sddm restart after an installation to let the session be properly started |
| 10:37.31 | shtrb | unixbsd, that is a search report on who knows what |
| 10:37.33 | unixbsd | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:38.05 | unixbsd | https://askubuntu.com/questions/1151150/kde-wallet-asks-for-password |
| 10:38.10 | shtrb | unixbsd, would you mine doing the debugging I had suggested you ? |
| 10:38.17 | unixbsd | https://forums.opensuse.org/showthread.php/498574-Corrupt-Kwallet |
| 10:38.18 | shtrb | the links you are giving ARE not related to debian |
| 10:38.21 | unixbsd | ... and so on. |
| 10:38.26 | unixbsd | it is the same. |
| 10:38.32 | unixbsd | it is related to kde |
| 10:38.34 | ratrace | not even to wireless |
| 10:38.43 | ratrace | unixbsd: so ask in #kde or whatever the chan is |
| 10:38.56 | unixbsd | it is actually not the job to debian to fix it but the job of KDE to care about users. |
| 10:39.02 | shtrb | unixbsd, my first comment was about wallet , a common mistake by people is to try to outsmart it and network manaer |
| 10:39.12 | ratrace | and file a bug report in !bts if you think this is an issue in Debian. No bug report == no issue. |
| 10:39.23 | shtrb | ratrace, that sound like a user error |
| 10:39.28 | ratrace | I think so too |
| 10:39.32 | unixbsd | it is THE JOB of KDE, seriously. wallet is just pain. |
| 10:39.42 | shtrb | unixbsd, did you try to disable wallet ? |
| 10:39.54 | shtrb | and got into that mess later |
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| 10:40.20 | ratrace | unixbsd: 1) isolate what the actual bug is, which component is actually failing and how, 2) make sure you can reproduce under same conditions, 3) file a bug report |
| 10:40.21 | shtrb | unixbsd, wallet should be configured , so does dbus and running |
| 10:40.36 | unixbsd | I have tried on suse, devuan and debian, the settings ... thing to try as they indicated on the forums, but it did work still. |
| 10:41.02 | shtrb | I think I'm in the ignore list of unixbsd :-( |
| 10:41.56 | mrkramps | unixbsd, but your wifi is wokring outside of kde? |
| 10:42.19 | unixbsd | hi, well, I know to setup wireless without kde. of course. |
| 10:42.32 | unixbsd | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:42.43 | ratrace | unixbsd: you "know" ... but did you actually try? |
| 10:42.53 | unixbsd | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:42.59 | ratrace | do you "know" which component _exactly_ is failing here? there are several components working together |
| 10:43.33 | unixbsd | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:43.37 | shtrb | ratrace, there is a common trope about some users would try to disable the wallet and remove it from running , and then be surprised that kde request a password instead of using the existing config |
| 10:43.54 | mrkramps | wallet is keyring manager in kde? |
| 10:44.02 | shtrb | yes |
| 10:44.02 | unixbsd | ah... which component...? let me install kde-standard, I will check with ps aux. maybe dbus... I need to boot the partition |
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| 10:44.06 | ratrace | shtrb: that's why I want them to point point, surgical precision, WHICH component is failing |
| 10:44.15 | ratrace | *pin point |
| 10:44.19 | ratrace | is wpa_supplicant failing? is network manager failing? is the wallet failing? is some UI component failing? |
| 10:44.29 | mrkramps | is firmware installed? |
| 10:44.37 | shtrb | mrkramps, if wallet is not configured or not running (because it was manually disabled) stuff will not be working |
| 10:44.38 | ratrace | even that |
| 10:45.42 | ratrace | unixbsd: "let me install kde-standard" ... then WHAT are you running there? sounds like you have an incomplete, broken system and are complaining something is not working right |
| 10:45.50 | mrkramps | shtrb, yeah if you disable the central service to manage authentication ... you know, not good ^^ |
| 10:48.46 | unixbsd | ratrace: I install on full disk or on partition. anyhow a partition is the very same. installer debian and put / on part2. done. |
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| 10:51.54 | shtrb | mrkramps, truth be told , I also tried getting rid of wallet in the past :) and failed like that |
| 10:52.13 | shtrb | And I did that because I was arrogant enough |
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| 11:01.08 | mrkramps | my first guess when something something password related is not working, no polkit agent |
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| 11:19.05 | dob1 | I don't thin it's spam, but how this channel it's different from the one on otc.net ? |
| 11:19.24 | dob1 | oftc.net |
| 11:20.02 | mrkramps | it's on a different irc network? |
| 11:20.23 | dob1 | it's mentioned in topic too |
| 11:20.48 | mrkramps | afaik #debian@otfc is debian's official irc channel |
| 11:21.08 | dob1 | I was thinking this one is the official |
| 11:22.13 | dob1 | !oftc |
| 11:22.13 | dpkg | OFTC is the Open and Free Technology Community, a support/collaboration service. They have an IRC network: irc.oftc.net. You may (or may not) be connected to OFTC's network. http://www.oftc.net/ See also <freenode>, <oftc move> and <fact sharing>. |
| 11:22.27 | dob1 | !oftc move |
| 11:22.28 | dpkg | irc.debian.org moved to OFTC on June 4th 2006, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/05/msg00012.html. Operators and bots (see <fact sharing>) will remain on both networks for the foreseeable future; you're welcome to either move to OFTC with i.d.o or stay on freenode. Questions? Ask in #debian on one or other network. See also http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2006/04/msg00333.html |
| 11:23.13 | dob1 | !fact sharing |
| 11:23.13 | dpkg | I show the same facts on both <freenode> and <OFTC>. If you update a fact on one network, it will show up on the other network. |
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| 11:31.56 | ratrace | unixbsd: and what was partitioning have anything to do with your wallet issue...... |
| 11:32.16 | mrkramps | ratrace, stop poking it with a stick |
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| 11:33.11 | ratrace | ? |
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| 12:23.18 | unixbsd | ratrace: nothing, you have asked guys above. I know, that partitioning has nothing to do. try to explain them. |
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| 12:33.32 | short-bike | New to debian - how can I verify that update/upgrade has upgraded this install from 10.6 to 10.7 ? A cat of /etc/os-release and uname -r (or -a) are not revealing this. |
| 12:33.47 | mrkramps | lsb_release -a |
| 12:34.06 | mrkramps | no, sry - me stupid |
| 12:34.28 | short-bike | :) |
| 12:35.18 | ansimita | /etc/debian_version |
| 12:35.59 | short-bike | ansimita: perfect. thank you. |
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| 13:28.14 | rupicapra | Hello |
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| 13:31.38 | oops | i hope to install software from my bootable usb , how to configure sources.list content , i have mount my /dev/sdb on /mnt |
| 13:32.12 | oops | the "/dev/sdb" is debian bootable usb |
| 13:33.36 | mrkramps | oops, is this the installer image on usb? |
| 13:35.07 | oops | yes , the usb is installer iso , i have just installed debian on my pc , but my pc is obsolute , the gnome can't display , so i need to re-install xfsc from usb |
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| 13:35.38 | abrotman | !apt-zip |
| 13:35.38 | dpkg | apt-zip has been removed post-wheezy (https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=815456) see alternatives like <apt offline> or <apt-walkabout> |
| 13:35.43 | abrotman | aww |
| 13:35.43 | mrkramps | a) use apt-cdrom to add it to your sources.lst |
| 13:36.07 | mrkramps | b) is the firmware for your graphics card installed? |
| 13:37.21 | mrkramps | !apt-cdrom |
| 13:37.22 | dpkg | somebody said apt-cdrom was used to add a new CDROM to APT's list of available sources: man apt-cdrom. See also <apt-cdrom_external>. |
| 13:37.46 | abrotman | oops: was this for stable/buster? |
| 13:37.55 | mrkramps | i hope so?! |
| 13:38.30 | oops | mrkramps: i have remove the gnome desktop , when the desktop begin , it prompt iwiw3945 firmware missing , |
| 13:38.54 | mrkramps | that's obviously your wireless firmware missing |
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| 13:39.18 | abrotman | maybe just fix the wifi firmware, setup wireless, and install xfce from http sources? |
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| 13:39.53 | oops | abrotman: how to view the "stable/buster", i only know using "uname -a" view the kernel |
| 13:40.14 | mrkramps | lsb_release -a |
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| 13:40.27 | rupicapra | Plasma cannot start, all shell packages are missing |
| 13:40.39 | rupicapra | It worked fine yesterday? |
| 13:40.42 | Barralastic | smartctl --scan -bash: smartctl: command not found |
| 13:40.50 | oops | codename is buster |
| 13:41.19 | mrkramps | Barralastic, install smartmontools and if installed run it with sudo |
| 13:41.54 | Barralastic | mrkramps: thank you! |
| 13:42.05 | mrkramps | Barralastic, otherwise smartctl is not in PATH of your regular user |
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| 13:42.20 | mrkramps | rupicapra, which version of debian? |
| 13:42.22 | Barralastic | smartmontools/stable,now 6.6-1 i386 [installed] |
| 13:42.23 | infosec_yo | debian ins bloated. |
| 13:43.05 | rupicapra | Buster, stable |
| 13:43.18 | infosec_yo | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:43.36 | mrkramps | Barralastic, you'll find smartctl with absolute patch as /sbin/smartctl |
| 13:43.45 | mrkramps | s/patch/path/ |
| 13:44.47 | mrkramps | rupicapra, "pacgages missing" means they are not installed any more? |
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| 13:45.44 | mrkramps | oops, you system has a working internet connection? |
| 13:47.04 | rupicapra | mrkramps: everything seems to be there |
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| 13:47.41 | rupicapra | mrkramps: I reinstalled plasma-desktop and plasma-desktop-data, but nothing changed |
| 13:48.58 | Barralastic | mrkramps: thank you, now its works! |
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| 13:49.39 | mrkramps | Barralastic, you're welcome |
| 13:50.44 | mrkramps | rupicapra, already tried to run an update again? sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade |
| 13:51.20 | rupicapra | Yes |
| 13:51.30 | infosec_yo | XAMPP works better than APACHE. |
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| 13:59.32 | infosec_yo | also debian hosts a deprecated version of apache. |
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| 14:01.44 | mrkramps | rupicapra, could we get a paste of: dpkg-query -l *plasma* |
| 14:02.09 | mrkramps | !paste |
| 14:02.09 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: https://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: https://imgbb.com/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): https://filebin.net or https://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <termbin>. |
| 14:02.30 | rupicapra | Sure, just a sec |
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| 14:04.08 | ov3rmind | anyone use firejail and can help with one single doubt? if setup with cfg is applyed all users runs the same setting or it needs be per user? |
| 14:05.53 | mrkramps | ov3rmind, if config is systemwide in /etc it is applied for all users but can be overwritten by user configuration in ~/.config |
| 14:06.18 | oops | mrkramps: i still don't know how to do , the bootable usb is like this "/dev/sdb1 3.7G 3.7G 0 100% /run/media/oops/Debian 10.7.0 i386 1 |
| 14:06.20 | oops | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:07.31 | mrkramps | oops, you've still no answered the question if this pc has a working internet connection |
| 14:07.44 | mrkramps | oops, just want to be sure we are not overcomplicating things here |
| 14:08.31 | oops | yes , the pc i using irc talking with you are connecting internet , |
| 14:08.39 | rupicapra | mrkramps: https://paste.debian.net/1176698 |
| 14:10.38 | mrkramps | rupicapra, package plasma-base is missing |
| 14:10.59 | mrkramps | rupicapra, forget about it ... misread the package list here |
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| 14:12.14 | mrkramps | oops, the question was more about the debian pc where you want to add the usb device to sources.lst |
| 14:12.58 | unborn | mrkramps: what you need to achieve ? |
| 14:13.24 | mrkramps | unborn ? |
| 14:13.41 | unborn | mrkramps: what you need to achieve? what is the issue you have? |
| 14:14.17 | mrkramps | unborn, irritation because of user name "oops"? because i have no issues ^^ |
| 14:14.47 | unborn | mrkramps: so - its off topic then? |
| 14:15.16 | mrkramps | unborn, what are you talking about? |
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| 14:15.34 | ratrace | poking a stick probs :) |
| 14:15.49 | mrkramps | ^^ |
| 14:15.56 | oops | mrkramps: my english is not good , take it easy |
| 14:16.24 | mrkramps | oops, it's all cool |
| 14:16.41 | unborn | no irritation on my end - just don't pick debian supporters to solve non debian issues - basically - you have no issue with your debian install - what I mean its off topic. |
| 14:16.59 | unborn | - that's what I was about |
| 14:17.53 | unborn | I have no feelings. you can call me or you can call your self whatever. there is no irritation around. |
| 14:18.00 | oops | i am finding a way to connect my outdated pc , i am a pure newbie |
| 14:18.43 | unborn | oh mrkramps did you try to help to other user? |
| 14:19.03 | mrkramps | unborn, that's the irritation on my side :D |
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| 14:19.50 | unborn | mrkramps: sure enough lets help the oops shall we ? |
| 14:20.13 | mrkramps | oops, simple solution would be to connect your outdated pc with an ethernet cable to the internet |
| 14:20.30 | mrkramps | oops, then you can just install whatever package is missing |
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| 14:20.43 | unborn | oops: what are you means to connect to old pc? usb hdd to new pc, linux installation or ? |
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| 14:21.19 | oops | mrkramps: it's simple for you , but not for me , i am using date-stream which not free |
| 14:21.21 | unborn | mrkramps handshake ? |
| 14:21.36 | mrkramps | shakes unborn's hand |
| 14:22.10 | mrkramps | rupicapra, i connot see a package missing there. maybe try resetting kde configuration |
| 14:22.18 | unborn | noted - thanks buddy lets help that person. |
| 14:22.38 | oops | unborn: that pc wifi adapter doesn't work well , the firmware missing , |
| 14:22.47 | unborn | sure |
| 14:23.09 | unborn | oops: can you connect that old pc / laptop via cable? |
| 14:23.13 | unborn | if you can |
| 14:23.21 | unborn | if not its okay |
| 14:24.01 | unborn | apologise to mrkramps |
| 14:24.07 | mrkramps | rupicapra, https://wiki.debian.org/KDE#Reset_your_KDE_Plasma_configuration_to_defaults |
| 14:24.25 | mrkramps | unborn, you're welcome ⦠we are all good now ;) |
| 14:25.42 | oops | unborn: i have not cable , i using my phone as route to connect pc , |
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| 14:26.54 | oops | the pc has two os , one is ubuntu 18.0 lts and the other is debian which are all 32 bit |
| 14:27.16 | unborn | ah i see oops so you wifi is dropping out or whats the issue - I am sorry i just joint the channel and I did not seen all your messages about your issue.. I guess you cannot join to wifi - is that right? |
| 14:27.55 | unborn | oops: no luck from ubuntu? nor from debian? |
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| 14:28.15 | oops | i using "nmcli dev mifi list" , no result to display |
| 14:29.04 | unborn | oops: sure. no luck from ubuntu nor debian? |
| 14:29.26 | oops | both ubuntu and debian are good os , i like them both |
| 14:29.37 | unborn | did not asked that |
| 14:31.01 | mrkramps | unborn, oops has installed debian on a second offline pc and wifi firmware is missing for sure, probably also graphics firmware |
| 14:31.03 | unborn | can you please reply - what is the problem? cannot you connect to wifi on one or both oses? I was ubuntu user long time ago but I know os very well. |
| 14:31.17 | short-bike | oops: run this -> 'nmcli connection show configured' and paste results here please -> https://paste.debian.net/ |
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| 14:31.47 | mrkramps | he uninstalled gnome and wanted to install xfce from installation media now thus adding the image on usb to sources.lst |
| 14:32.05 | unborn | mrkramps: thanks for hint, that's what I am trying to establish - resolution should be simple rather then complicated :) |
| 14:32.31 | unborn | we will point him to non free and let him install all he/she needs |
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| 14:33.25 | unborn | ah mrkramps you mean oops? he did that? |
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| 14:33.49 | mrkramps | unborn, that's the summary of oops problem(s) for now |
| 14:34.20 | unborn | oops: you want xfce? as de? or you want gnome or something else? |
| 14:34.35 | short-bike | mrkramps: so he has no DE right now - is that correct ? |
| 14:34.42 | mrkramps | short-bike, afaik yes |
| 14:34.58 | unborn | mrkramps: Im really really sorry for my earlier rampage.. Im just smelly old git what else I can say :D |
| 14:35.20 | oops | the gnome only display a mouse cursor with a black background on debian |
| 14:35.25 | unborn | short-bike: and no drivers... tooo |
| 14:35.32 | short-bike | nice ! |
| 14:35.39 | unborn | yeah |
| 14:35.40 | mrkramps | short-bike, also no internet connection on this system, as well as no reliable connection at all (daily payed stuffed only on mobile) |
| 14:36.00 | unborn | oops: you want xfce? as de? or you want gnome or something else?? what would you like to have? |
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| 14:36.13 | short-bike | oops: do you have access to a bootable live media - eg: USB stick with Debian ISO installer ? |
| 14:36.44 | mrkramps | short-bike, he has ⦠and we can add it to sources.lst |
| 14:37.11 | unborn | short-bike: I think he likes to call it cd.. I guess he is really really newbie here |
| 14:37.28 | rupicapra | mrkramps: still the same error |
| 14:37.39 | short-bike | I was thinking just boot from a 'live' image to see if WiFi actually 'Works' first. |
| 14:37.49 | mrkramps | oops, to add usb stick to sources.lst run: sudo apt-cdrom -d "/run//run/media/oops/Debian 10.7.0/" add |
| 14:37.51 | unborn | mrkramps: I would just point him to non-free iso and de he would like to have |
| 14:38.08 | unborn | oh 10.7 is out - fukc me |
| 14:39.04 | short-bike | Has anyone suggested to him to simply re-install ? Of course, that assumes he knows what a backup is. |
| 14:39.31 | unborn | oh that's why I had those issues with locales... fudas :) |
| 14:40.33 | unborn | short-bike: it was me. I was about to ask, but he did not mention anything except dual boot so I assume it was indeed clean install.. |
| 14:40.34 | mrkramps | short-bike, nope not yet |
| 14:40.52 | unborn | it was just an suggestion*** |
| 14:41.02 | mrkramps | or at least not in all emphasis |
| 14:41.16 | oops | sorry , i need to left now , it's very late on my here , it's too hard , i communicate with you with my small phone screen, let me think over what you said , thanks of all |
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| 14:41.49 | short-bike | Sounds like a re-install would be the way to go. Then everyone can get on with their life :D |
| 14:41.52 | mrkramps | rupicapra, i assume there had been no weird update behaviour before? |
| 14:41.53 | unborn | ah man oops get back to us soon we can help you please! - also good night |
| 14:42.18 | rupicapra | No |
| 14:42.26 | unborn | short-bike: reinstall is the way he will have to go.. guided by someone like debian folks |
| 14:42.31 | unborn | it will help him |
| 14:42.37 | mrkramps | rupicapra, you're running unattended updates? |
| 14:42.42 | rupicapra | Oh I did install steam, so I did add the I368 arch? Could it ve that? |
| 14:43.03 | rupicapra | No, I don't |
| 14:43.03 | unborn | meeeh |
| 14:43.19 | mrkramps | phew, plasma crashing with steam install - dunno |
| 14:43.31 | unborn | that's why I have ps :D |
| 14:43.34 | freem | hi. I've read that the kernel have a "file" name /proc/sys/kernel/hotplug (which seems to be how udev is informed about new events), but I can't find it in the systems I run. Is that info still true? |
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| 14:44.23 | unborn | short-bike: hi-5 mate! |
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| 14:45.44 | freem | (found the info here, for example: https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/driver-api/usb/hotplug.html but maybe that some build-time option not enabled in debian?) |
| 14:45.54 | rupicapra | I have everything backed up so there isn't that much of an issue but I would have liked the reason ofcourse... |
| 14:46.13 | mrkramps | rupicapra, graphics card is working normal? |
| 14:46.36 | rupicapra | Yes |
| 14:46.39 | mrkramps | like, no fuck up with nvidia packages |
| 14:46.57 | rupicapra | I just can't log into plasma, and nvidia is not even present |
| 14:46.58 | freem | here, it seems that thing is deprecated: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=416687;msg=31 maybe I'll found in favor of what |
| 14:46.59 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/416687 in udev (closed, patch): «[PATCH] udev fails looking for obsolete /proc/sys/kernel/hotplug»; severity: minor; opened: 2007-03-29; last modified: 2008-08-15. |
| 14:47.04 | unborn | rupicapra: can you paste here your hardware ? |
| 14:47.10 | unborn | like me here.. |
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| 14:47.21 | unborn | Client: HexChat 2.12.4 ⢠OS: Debian 9.13 ⢠CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-2760QM CPU @ 2.40GHz (800MHz) ⢠Memory: Physical: 11.3 GiB Total (8.5 GiB Free) Swap: 11.9 GiB Total (11.9 GiB Free) ⢠Storage: 446.9 GB / 1.4 TB (984.1 GB Free) ⢠VGA: Intel Corporation 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller @ Intel Corporation 2nd Generation Core Processor Family DRAM Controller ⢠Uptime: 2d 5h 6m 46s |
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| 14:50.34 | unborn | oh poops it does not detect I am running quatro gf - possibly I put my old hdd into new machine - Im on some kind nvidia and intel crap now.. it calls something like optimus - worst thing you can get on linux.. |
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| 14:51.02 | freem | looks like now it's "/sys/kernel/uevent_helper", but I don't have it neither, only uevent_seqnum in there |
| 14:51.45 | mrkramps | rupicapra, can you try starting plasma from another tty with startx - just to get more log messages |
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| 14:58.53 | unborn | oops where did you go? |
| 14:59.00 | unborn | or is he gone? |
| 14:59.00 | mrkramps | to bed :\ |
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| 15:00.00 | unborn | mrkramps: man I hate those unsolved crimes as crime junkie.. mah bad had humans! |
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| 15:00.21 | rupicapra | mrkramps: "exec startkde" goes in xinitrc right? |
| 15:00.48 | mrkramps | rupicapra, you probably can run startkde directly instead of startx |
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| 15:02.01 | unborn | startx is old school and classic and it sooooooooooo good |
| 15:02.20 | unborn | and its safe!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| 15:05.04 | rupicapra | Startkde complains about $display not being set |
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| 15:06.05 | mrkramps | narf |
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| 15:07.30 | mrkramps | export DISPLAY=:0.0 ; startx ... or something something |
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| 15:12.59 | ratrace | unborn: startx or exec startx :) |
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| 15:14.20 | unborn | ratrace: Im old folks I beat him startx should still works :) |
| 15:14.33 | infosec_yo | ratrace do you have a fatface? |
| 15:14.35 | ratrace | but it's unsafe :) |
| 15:14.44 | mrkramps | hihihihi |
| 15:15.03 | ratrace | ohai infosec_yo, word is you're permabanned in all #gentoo chans. |
| 15:15.09 | infosec_yo | huh |
| 15:15.13 | unborn | ***old folk - like gimp or git.. very ugly looking person :D |
| 15:15.26 | short-bike | rupicapra: try running startx as root. |
| 15:15.39 | freem | what exactly is unsafe in startx? |
| 15:15.56 | ratrace | it exposes your shell if it crashes |
| 15:16.06 | ratrace | so the trick is to exec it or do shell trickery to exit the shell |
| 15:16.07 | nevivurn | huh? |
| 15:16.08 | mrkramps | as root!? folks, he has just a broken plasma shell ... |
| 15:16.11 | freem | huh... then just exec |
| 15:16.14 | mrkramps | don't make things worse |
| 15:16.15 | unborn | yeah I was gentoo back in a time before debian 4 I believe - have no recalls about ulgy ubuntu yet |
| 15:16.19 | infosec_yo | ratrace are you a rat? |
| 15:16.26 | nevivurn | And why is startx opening a shell a problem...? |
| 15:16.31 | nevivurn | you're logged in already |
| 15:16.36 | freem | startx does not open a shell |
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| 15:16.54 | mrkramps | it runs from a shell and will drop you back in a logged in shell on X crash |
| 15:16.54 | ratrace | nevivurn: an attacker can compromise your laptop's screen lock and end up on your shell, for example |
| 15:17.08 | nevivurn | oh, that's smart |
| 15:17.11 | freem | AFAIK... it's just that if X crash/exit, then you're back the the shell which summoned startx, but that can even be done willingfully |
| 15:17.12 | ratrace | much, much harder, or for th emost cases impossible, with a DM |
| 15:17.16 | nevivurn | Didn't consider the screen lock use-case |
| 15:17.17 | mrkramps | that's the wqhole point why it is not safe in critical environment |
| 15:17.34 | freem | ratrace: but DM crashes more often XD |
| 15:17.43 | ratrace | freem: doesn't land you onto a shell tho |
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| 15:18.21 | nevivurn | Though if your threat model includes an attacker that can access your physical machine, you have bigger problems |
| 15:18.59 | mrkramps | nevivurn, but that's the only real threat model ... physical penetration |
| 15:19.02 | ratrace | doesn't invalidate the xorg crash vector tho |
| 15:19.18 | ratrace | security is not boolean on/off, it's about mitigating as much as possible. |
| 15:19.22 | infosec_yo | so people in debian endorse physical penetration without consent ? |
| 15:19.37 | freem | lol |
| 15:19.45 | ratrace | just because physical access _may_ pose bigger threat does not mean you should abandon all mitigation for physical access :) |
| 15:19.53 | rupicapra | Still the same errors |
| 15:20.15 | nevivurn | Yeah, you can stop low-tech attackers with a lockscreen and you should, yeah |
| 15:20.23 | mrkramps | rupicapra, errors is plural ... until now we only had a single error message |
| 15:20.33 | nevivurn | though it's better to just turn stuff off |
| 15:20.44 | infosec_yo | what about highTech attackers |
| 15:20.49 | rupicapra | I mean error, my bad |
| 15:21.17 | nevivurn | You turn stuff off, encrypt your drives, and pray |
| 15:21.39 | mrkramps | rupicapra, so the kde session is starting and you get the error dialog? |
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| 15:21.41 | freem | turning off is not always an option, for example when you go toilet or brew some cofee. Restarting computer for that is a bit... extreme |
| 15:21.52 | infosec_yo | KDE on DEBIAN is bloated. |
| 15:21.59 | freem | only on debian? |
| 15:22.07 | infosec_yo | mainly on debian |
| 15:22.11 | mrkramps | where is the friggin session log for KDE? |
| 15:22.11 | ratrace | le sigh.... can anyone put a cork in this one, like other chans did? |
| 15:22.51 | infosec_yo | in /var/temp |
| 15:23.04 | nevivurn | freem: yup, which is what the "pray" mitigation is for. |
| 15:23.10 | mrkramps | !admin |
| 15:23.11 | dpkg | [admin] like a omnipresent god, or http://home.datacomm.ch/prutishauser/humor/hack/know.ur.sysadmin.html, or and the guy you should always blame for problems with your computer |
| 15:23.26 | ratrace | mrkramps: you want !op |
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| 15:24.20 | infosec_yo | ratrace is spamming me in pm. |
| 15:25.08 | unborn | infosec_yo: i do not believe your claims |
| 15:25.13 | rupicapra | When going with the startx route, I get the same dialog box "plasma cannot start" "all shell packages missing. This is an I.stallation issue please contact your distribution " |
| 15:25.47 | rupicapra | Executable ksplashqml segmentation fault |
| 15:26.06 | mrkramps | that's ⦠something |
| 15:26.19 | rupicapra | But other than that I have a black screen and mouse pointer |
| 15:26.19 | ratrace | infosec_yo: go file a complaint in #freenode, they have logs to verify your claims, so you'll be good. |
| 15:26.37 | unborn | infosec_yo: i did challenge the person we talking about and he was human and kind... |
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| 15:27.26 | Emil | Hey, I have an issue with wifi and authentication. On logging in my laptop attempts to connect to the wifi automatically, as it should. However it seems that there's some issue and it fails after a couple of minutes and then successfully connects. However if I immediately select disconnect (ie stop attempting to connect) and immediately press connect, it successfully connects immediately. I think it might |
| 15:27.32 | Emil | have something to do with some internal keyring/authentication service not being up fast enough to provide the wifi keys to the daemon, but of course I don't know that Any help? It's just your bog standard Debian with KDE |
| 15:28.03 | ratrace | 16:23 -!- infosec_yo sid476935@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ezccxoibyygulirl is messaging you, and you have umode +g. |
| 15:28.10 | ratrace | checkmate, info, checkmate. |
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| 15:35.09 | mrkramps | rupicapra, I am lost here ⦠you'd still try reinstalling plasma-desktop including all its dependencies, but otherwise I've no idea what's causing this issue |
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| 15:38.50 | short-bike | mrkramps: I missed the background to his issue (plasma DE). What happened ? |
| 15:39.23 | mrkramps | short-bike, kde session starts incomplete with error dialog "All shell packages are missing." |
| 15:40.02 | mrkramps | ksplashqml obviously seg faults |
| 15:40.22 | mrkramps | plasma configuration is already reset |
| 15:40.59 | mrkramps | affected is kde plasma on buster, you know "was working yesterday" |
| 15:41.09 | short-bike | Any other DE's installed that could be booted into and plasma removed, re-installed maybe ? |
| 15:41.17 | shtrb | mrkramps, you have several session logs , but you better always start a new session for the test |
| 15:42.01 | shtrb | mrkramps, and make sure you didn't mix Wayland and X on the same installation |
| 15:42.05 | mrkramps | shtrb, this question was directly related to rupicapra's issue |
| 15:42.26 | mrkramps | i have no clue where the heck i have to look for kde session logs |
| 15:42.34 | GNU\colossus | ,v ansible |
| 15:42.35 | judd | Package: ansible on amd64 -- jessie: 1.7.2+dfsg-2; jessie-security: 1.7.2+dfsg-2+deb8u3; stretch: 2.2.1.0-2+deb9u1; stretch-security: 2.2.1.0-2+deb9u1; stretch-backports: 2.7.5+dfsg-1~bpo9+1; buster: 2.7.7+dfsg-1; buster-backports: 2.9.6+dfsg-1~bpo10+1; bullseye: 2.9.13+dfsg-1; sid: 2.9.13+dfsg-1 |
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| 15:51.46 | infosec_yo | debian is severely bloated. |
| 15:52.23 | dvs | Do you have an actual question? |
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| 15:53.06 | infosec_yo | huh |
| 15:53.12 | infosec_yo | debian is bloatware. |
| 15:53.30 | Miles8of9 | Oo |
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| 15:54.40 | Ede|Popede | infosec_yo: your definition of bloat is incorrect. |
| 15:54.47 | infosec_yo | hi eddie |
| 15:54.48 | Ede|Popede | choice is something different. |
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| 15:56.31 | Miles8of9 | debian may have very old software versions but it's rock solid |
| 15:57.45 | infosec_yo | hard as a rock? |
| 15:58.13 | Ede|Popede | problem is when it gets the timing bad. freeze right before upstream is releasing a new version can lead to unwanted effects years later when this new stable becomes unstable |
| 15:58.57 | Ede|Popede | iirc it happened with PHP last year. old version EOL and new version not available for stable. |
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| 15:59.24 | infosec_yo | debian is EOL as well. |
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| 16:15.23 | shtrb | Anyone have a clue where kde/kontact store certificates that user had allowed ? |
| 16:18.20 | hejux | shtrb: find |
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| 16:19.15 | shtrb | hejux, wow , than you ! I couldn't think about running "find . -name *cert* -print| grep -vvv flatpak" /s |
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| 16:21.02 | hejux | shtrb: glad it worked |
| 16:21.16 | shtrb | It was sarcasm |
| 16:23.09 | hejux | shtrb: it was mind blowing |
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| 16:23.35 | hejux | 'blow away' by AAPL |
| 16:23.55 | epitamizor | will it screw up the files if a usb is connected, then root user mounts it in another folder location, but then the user unplugs the usb after unmounting from /media? |
| 16:24.32 | epitamizor | i mean /run/media/{user} |
| 16:24.51 | shtrb | epitamizor, depend on the FS and usb stick |
| 16:25.38 | shtrb | epitamizor, what FS do you have ? |
| 16:25.45 | jhutchins | ,v php7 |
| 16:25.46 | judd | No package named 'php7' was found in amd64. |
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| 16:29.42 | jhutchins | ,v php-pspell |
| 16:29.43 | judd | Package: php-pspell on amd64 -- stretch: 1:7.0+49; buster: 2:7.3+69; bullseye: 2:7.4+76; sid: 2:7.4+76; experimental: 2:8.0+80~exp1 |
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| 16:30.06 | jhutchins | So later versions of php weren |
| 16:30.25 | jhutchins | weren't backported? |
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| 16:31.31 | jhutchins | epitamizor: It depends on whether the remaining mount had any buffered writes. |
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| 16:31.52 | shtrb | jhutchins, for a moment you gave me hope that there will be no more php in the world |
| 16:31.56 | quadrathoch2 | jhutchins which version are you looking for? |
| 16:33.10 | quadrathoch2 | jhutchins https://deb.sury.org/ |
| 16:33.21 | alexrelis[m] | I have a big problem. |
| 16:33.50 | hejux | alexrelis[m]: what's your problem :P |
| 16:34.03 | alexrelis[m] | When my system booted and login as root in a tty session, it logs me in as root with no password prompt. |
| 16:34.31 | alexrelis[m] | Though when I log in as a regular user I have to enter a password when I su root or sudo -I. |
| 16:34.32 | hejux | alexrelis[m]: then passwd root |
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| 16:35.06 | alexrelis[m] | hejux: I configured my system to disable the root account and only login as root via sudo. |
| 16:35.24 | quadrathoch2 | alexrelis[m] make sure that passwd -l root is set |
| 16:35.35 | hejux | alexrelis[m]: how did you disable root? |
| 16:35.51 | quadrathoch2 | hejux not disable, lock |
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| 16:37.54 | alexrelis[m] | hejux: I honestly do not remember because I did it months ago. |
| 16:38.10 | hejux | alexrelis[m]: just run 'passwd -d -l root' |
| 16:38.29 | hejux | you'll get root locked and passwd removed |
| 16:40.05 | alexrelis[m] | hejux: will I be able to run administrative commands with sudo this way? |
| 16:40.39 | hejux | alexrelis[m]: sure |
| 16:41.20 | hejux | and if you configured /root/.ssh/authorized_keys, you will be able to ssh into root via keys |
| 16:41.22 | alexrelis[m] | hejux: okay I ran your command and it said "passwd: password expiry information changed." |
| 16:41.52 | alexrelis[m] | hejux: I configured my ssh not be able to login as root. |
| 16:42.09 | hejux | alexrelis[m]: that's ok. it says your root has been locked and it's passwd will not expiry |
| 16:42.15 | hejux | because it is empty |
| 16:43.03 | hejux | alexrelis[m]: sudo passwd -aS | grep root |
| 16:43.09 | unixbsd | Hello how to open libreoffice without that it popups whatever, recovery ... from the linux command line? |
| 16:43.16 | hejux | see the big 'L' after root? |
| 16:43.43 | alexrelis[m] | hejux: okay. I tried to login as root in a tty session and it looks like it is locked because it asks for a password. Thank you. |
| 16:43.45 | mrkramps | unixbsd, libreoffice --norestore |
| 16:44.27 | unixbsd | thank you |
| 16:44.40 | unixbsd | thank you very very much |
| 16:44.50 | hejux | alexrelis[m]: you're welcome :P |
| 16:45.25 | unixbsd | I do open my word with : libreoffice --writer --norestore (now). |
| 16:46.35 | unixbsd | --norestore is NOT working. helas |
| 16:46.41 | mrkramps | oO |
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| 16:48.27 | unixbsd | Is there maybe something faster, than libreoffice? I see that libreoffice does not handle odt or docx well. it crashes with odt saving. docx format is messing up all formating. |
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| 16:49.44 | hejux | unixbsd: google docs |
| 16:50.33 | teclo- | unixbsd: are you sure you're not running an outdated version of libreoffice ? |
| 16:50.43 | mrkramps | wps office, softmaker office or onlyoffice ... all third party of couse, partially proprietary |
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| 16:51.22 | teclo- | yeah as mrkramps says there are alternanives proprietarty and/or commercial office suites |
| 16:51.32 | teclo- | I think there's still Wordperfect Office |
| 16:51.36 | mrkramps | abiword and koffice are fine as well, but it will not get better than libreoffice |
| 16:52.43 | hejux | fook $MS |
| 16:53.20 | mrkramps | ms office with wine is not ideal, but still a viable option |
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| 16:54.23 | teclo- | well |
| 16:55.17 | hejux | however |
| 16:55.52 | mrkramps | you can argue with me in #debian-offtopic |
| 16:56.07 | jhutchins | unixbsd: I think you have problems with your install. odt is libreaoffice's native format. |
| 16:56.19 | jhutchins | unixbsd: What release are you on? |
| 16:56.54 | hejux | debian i guess |
| 16:57.09 | hejux | debian always has the oldest software |
| 16:57.22 | alexrelis[m] | How do I change my username and home directory username? I tried `sudo usermod -l newname -d newname -m oldname` but it says I can't do it because the user session I'm trying to change is already running. |
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| 16:58.01 | hejux | alexrelis[m]: logout the user and do that with another user |
| 16:58.11 | alexrelis[m] | unixbsd: I actually like Libreoffice. Don't understand the hate for it. |
| 16:58.13 | hejux | and login back and remove the 'another user' |
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| 16:58.19 | alexrelis[m] | hejux: Good idea |
| 16:58.41 | alexrelis[m] | Why don't I ever come up with this stuff? Lol. |
| 16:58.56 | hejux | alexrelis[m]: active root |
| 16:59.07 | hejux | and you don't have to create another user |
| 16:59.14 | hejux | after done, lock root again |
| 16:59.28 | hejux | passwd -u root, can unlocl root |
| 16:59.36 | hejux | passwd root can set passwd for root |
| 16:59.52 | hejux | and then in root, proceed with your previous command |
| 17:01.14 | alexrelis[m] | How do you get so good at this? |
| 17:01.26 | hejux | alexrelis[m]: because you are sleepy? |
| 17:01.50 | hejux | it is common logic, not something 'good' |
| 17:03.21 | alexrelis[m] | I'm in big trouble |
| 17:03.25 | alexrelis[m] | My entire home folder is goneN |
| 17:03.40 | alexrelis[m] | !!! |
| 17:03.40 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
| 17:04.18 | mrkramps | -d requires full path to your home folder |
| 17:04.22 | alexrelis[m] | I ran usermod -l user -d user -m user and all my user files are gone! |
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| 17:04.59 | alexrelis[m] | Oh wait! |
| 17:05.13 | mrkramps | ist /user now i'd guess |
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| 17:05.15 | alexrelis[m] | It looks like my files are still here, but they are in my root's home folder. |
| 17:06.53 | alexrelis[m] | So to get them back where they belong I run usermod -l user -d /home/user -m user? |
| 17:07.12 | jelly | alexrelis[m]: maybe read the manual for usermod |
| 17:07.47 | jelly | and try to understand what each option does and what kind of argument it takes |
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| 17:12.01 | zaratustra | is debian secure |
| 17:12.10 | alexrelis[m] | Okay I fixed it! Thanks guys. |
| 17:12.40 | jelly | zaratustra: about the same as other major distros |
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| 17:17.21 | zaratustra | jelly: how hard would it be to infiltrate these communities and insert bugs and vulns intentionally? |
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| 17:17.32 | zaratustra | i've always wondered |
| 17:17.55 | jelly | zaratustra: are you the same person as infosec_yo |
| 17:19.04 | zaratustra | no why? |
| 17:19.23 | zaratustra | i mean, who builds the kernels anyway |
| 17:19.40 | jelly | exact same question, couple hours difference |
| 17:20.01 | zaratustra | lol |
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| 17:22.10 | jelly | as for how to enter debian and get upload rights, read this |
| 17:22.15 | jelly | zaratustra: /msg dpkg nmg |
| 17:22.33 | Rodon | i dont get "dunstify" command available despite dunst installed and working properly .. is there any other package i need to install ? |
| 17:23.17 | Ede|Popede | ,file bin/dunstify |
| 17:23.22 | judd | No packages in buster/amd64 were found with that file. |
| 17:23.25 | zaratustra | so you have xp with that I assume... from 0 to 10 how hard would it be to do it |
| 17:23.49 | mrkramps | Rodon, dunst 1.5.0-1 in bullseye has this command |
| 17:24.06 | mrkramps | earlier verion in buster not |
| 17:24.20 | jelly | zaratustra: read our guides, then draw your own conclusion |
| 17:24.22 | Rodon | oh.thats why i dont find it in buster |
| 17:24.28 | zaratustra | jelly: ok |
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| 17:24.45 | Ede|Popede | is there a $release switch for ,file as there is one for one of the other commands iirc? |
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| 17:25.14 | zaratustra | who pays for all this work though |
| 17:25.17 | zaratustra | ;/ |
| 17:25.24 | mason | jelly: If it's the same person, he's at least adopting slightly different personas. |
| 17:25.47 | jelly | mason: and they accidentally use the 4 year old account instead of the fresh one |
| 17:25.56 | zaratustra | mason: i'm not |
| 17:26.30 | zaratustra | well sorry if I'm bothering you with this. its a legit concern I have... godspeed |
| 17:26.41 | jelly | zaratustra: if you can't even be bothered to read NMG, then the answer is "too hard for you" |
| 17:26.42 | mason | zaratustra: Yeah, this is a different persona. Slightly different language patterns. Not hard to do if one cares to make the effort. Just commenting on the possibility. It's really somewhat in line with what you were asking about. |
| 17:27.06 | n4dir | no one knows you are a dog on the internet |
| 17:27.09 | dob1 | dd if=/dev/urandon of=somefile bs=1M count=10 -> it gives me a 9MB file |
| 17:27.27 | zaratustra | jelly: whatever dude |
| 17:27.44 | jelly | dob1: given that typo of urandom I'm surprised you get anything :-) |
| 17:27.51 | mason | jelly: FWIW, if you look at the logs, the infosec_yo account was abusive earlier, and trolls various channels. Seems banworthy to me, but =shrug= |
| 17:28.13 | jelly | mason: I'm patient. Sometimes. |
| 17:28.36 | dob1 | jelly, I wrote it wrong here, it's a typo because I didn't copy the command |
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| 17:29.32 | ratrace | jelly: that nick, btw, is already banned in multiple channels, and annoys people via PM. |
| 17:29.46 | ratrace | pre-emptive measures are highly adviseable. |
| 17:29.48 | mason | ratrace: Yar, it was the interaction with you that jumped out at me. |
| 17:30.56 | dob1 | it's the same if I do bs=10M count=1 |
| 17:31.28 | ratrace | mason: and not me tho, he's been pestering people in other chans. I have +g, he can't PM me |
| 17:31.31 | ratrace | tried, tho |
| 17:31.47 | jelly | dob1: that can happen if the destination filesystem is filled up, ie. there's not enough space for a 10MiB file. Show the complete output. |
| 17:32.25 | mason | I don't end up getting enough spam for +g. The PMs I get tend to be things I want to read. |
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| 17:34.40 | dob1 | jelly, ah you right if I try again it says I have no space on device... but how it's this possible /dev/vda1 50G 11G 37G 23% |
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| 17:36.41 | alexrelis[m] | It looks like after changing the name of my home folder, I don't have permission to remove or edit any of my files, even though it says my user and user group owns the files. |
| 17:36.44 | jelly | dob1: I see possible options: a) the host system might be oversubscribed and out of space or b) bug in filesystem |
| 17:37.20 | jelly | alexrelis[m]: your user has to also own the folder itself |
| 17:37.57 | jelly | and it might help to log off and on again if you haven't already |
| 17:38.27 | mrkramps | !chown |
| 17:38.27 | dpkg | methinks chown is CHange OWNer, its part of the fileutils package, try 'man chown' at the prompt |
| 17:38.32 | alexrelis[m] | jelly: chowning /home/user worked! |
| 17:39.36 | jelly | dob1: if it's btrfs it's likely a know issue with that filesystem type |
| 17:39.58 | dob1 | jelly, it's ext4 |
| 17:40.29 | jelly | dob1: nevertheless, look at dmesg for fs errors |
| 17:42.32 | mrkramps | dob1, also check df -i |
| 17:43.44 | jelly | a full inode table would result in an error at file creation right away, not at ~9MiB of writes |
| 17:44.01 | jelly | but good thinking |
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| 17:46.32 | mrkramps | and it is a VM i'd guess by the /dev/vda |
| 17:46.47 | mrkramps | no idea if virtio might play into this issue as well |
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| 17:47.45 | dob1 | well I found the issue, I prefer to not say... because it was my fault. a stupid error |
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| 17:48.44 | jelly | dob1: please do, so whoever reads this next can laugh at you |
| 17:48.53 | jhutchins | dob1: We are all subject to error. |
| 17:48.55 | jelly | I mean, can solve the same thing easier |
| 17:49.08 | n4dir | i doubt there is anyone who didn't do outstanding damn errors himself |
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| 17:49.29 | n4dir | damn/dumb |
| 17:49.50 | jelly | I confess I power cycled or rebooted the wrong machine only three times thus far |
| 17:49.50 | dob1 | well the dir I was trying to create the file was this one (created by me for the purpose to limit the space) (dev/loop0 19M 8.5M 9.0M 49% /home/user/somedir |
| 17:50.10 | dob1 | I forget this dir was limited in space... |
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| 17:50.45 | jelly | dob1: did you know: you can "df ." to get df for whatever filesystem the current dir is on |
| 17:51.19 | dob1 | jelly, ah ! I was not aware of this! |
| 17:51.46 | alexrelis[m] | It also looks like after changing my username, I can't change pulseaudio settings with pavucontrol anymore. |
| 17:51.51 | dob1 | nice tips |
| 17:51.55 | jelly | (or df /path/to/any/dir really) |
| 17:52.16 | jelly | alexrelis[m]: did you log off and back on again |
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| 17:52.37 | alexrelis[m] | jelly: yes but I didn't reboot |
| 17:52.54 | jelly | perhaps there's an old pulseaudio process still runnin |
| 17:53.19 | n4dir | i think a newly create user will only be member of the main group. |
| 17:53.27 | jelly | reboot would clear that up, but also "pactl exit" maybe |
| 17:54.13 | alexrelis[m] | I'll just reboot then. There also have been a couple of small problems, but most have to do with the paths being set to /home/olduser/path/to/file instead of ~/path/to/file. |
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| 17:55.06 | Kali_Yuga | how do I run snap packages? |
| 17:55.23 | alexrelis[m] | Kali_Yuga: snap run snappackage |
| 17:55.40 | alexrelis[m] | But logging out and logging back in should put the snaps in your activities menu. |
| 17:56.04 | Kali_Yuga | I installed snap, installed 'woe-usb' but I can't find it in my start menu (even restarted)... |
| 17:56.27 | alexrelis[m] | Kali_Yuga: are you trying to make Windows install media? |
| 17:56.34 | Kali_Yuga | error: cannot find app "woe-usb" in "woe-usb" |
| 17:56.46 | alexrelis[m] | Kali_Yuga If so then I recommend Ventoy. |
| 17:56.49 | sig_9 | Kali_Yuga: look in "application menu" "utilities" |
| 17:56.57 | Kali_Yuga | alexrelis[m]: Yes, I tried dd and whatnot |
| 17:57.02 | sig_9 | sometimes it puts them there, if you're using plasma that is |
| 17:57.03 | alexrelis[m] | The woe-usb snap might be broken. |
| 17:57.08 | Kali_Yuga | I'm dying |
| 17:57.19 | Kali_Yuga | I need to make a windows 10 USB from debian |
| 17:57.28 | alexrelis[m] | Kali_Yuga: try ventoy |
| 17:57.31 | Kali_Yuga | I'll try |
| 17:57.31 | mrkramps | windows install image content just have to be copied to a fat32 formatted usb stick |
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| 17:57.42 | alexrelis[m] | https://www.ventoy.net/en/doc_start.html |
| 17:58.26 | alexrelis[m] | mrkramps: the problem with doing this is that there's a file in the ISO that's greater than 4 Gigs which cannot copy because of fat32's limitations. |
| 17:58.53 | sig_9 | Kali_Yuga: sudo dd if=nameof.iso of=/dev/yourusbdevice status="progres" |
| 17:59.06 | mrkramps | sig_9, dd is not working |
| 17:59.11 | alexrelis[m] | sig_9: for some reason dd doesn't work for Windows. |
| 17:59.13 | mrkramps | afaik at least |
| 17:59.15 | sig_9 | how is it not working |
| 17:59.21 | Kali_Yuga | sig_9: that didn't work for me |
| 17:59.22 | sig_9 | are you in windows? |
| 17:59.22 | sney | not every windows iso is hybrid |
| 17:59.28 | mrkramps | exactly |
| 17:59.30 | alexrelis[m] | sig_9: idk but it doesn't work for windows ISO. |
| 17:59.39 | sig_9 | alexrelis[m]: of course it does |
| 17:59.59 | sig_9 | I've made many windows 10 iso's |
| 18:00.11 | sig_9 | what is your dd output |
| 18:00.31 | alexrelis[m] | It will run fine for me but it won't boot. |
| 18:00.36 | Kali_Yuga | mrkramps: what did you say I just need to copy the Windows iso onto a Fat32 formatted USB stick? is that even bootable after that? |
| 18:00.39 | sig_9 | uefi? |
| 18:00.54 | alexrelis[m] | Kali_Yuga: trust me when I say to try ventoy. |
| 18:00.56 | sig_9 | go into bios and choose usb |
| 18:01.56 | mrkramps | Kali_Yuga, I just opened the iso file and copied the contents to a fat32 formatted usb stick |
| 18:02.11 | sig_9 | mrkramps: doesn't work like that |
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| 18:03.29 | mrkramps | sig_9, what ever ... i installed like 10 machines with this stick, but we're getting offtopic here |
| 18:03.45 | sig_9 | there's your answer |
| 18:04.04 | sig_9 | if it worked on 10 other machines I'd go check your bios settings |
| 18:04.16 | Kali_Yuga | Ventoy seems very complicated... why does it have to be so complicated? |
| 18:04.18 | sig_9 | obviously the iso works then and you can narrow it down to that machine |
| 18:04.26 | Kali_Yuga | I just want a stick for gods sake |
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| 18:06.05 | Kali_Yuga | I already installed woe-usb over snap but I can't seem to run it.. why can't I just run woe-usb? |
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| 18:09.34 | mrkramps | Kali_Yuga, from what i know copying the files still works |
| 18:09.44 | mrkramps | afaik you can format the stick with exFAT |
| 18:09.50 | mrkramps | so there's not file size limit |
| 18:10.14 | mrkramps | give it a try, what's the worst things that could happen? |
| 18:10.22 | digdilem | it catches on fire? |
| 18:10.49 | mrkramps | then you have other problems |
| 18:11.00 | mrkramps | deeper problems |
| 18:11.31 | Kali_Yuga | alexrelis[m]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWXMGpV8_Dc is that it? |
| 18:11.40 | Kali_Yuga | I hate all these 3rd party software stuff |
| 18:11.53 | unixbsd | "cal -h" does not work on debian, but it works on BSD. |
| 18:12.36 | mrkramps | unixbsd, what is "cal -h" supposed to do? |
| 18:12.37 | alexrelis[m] | Kali_Yuga: yes. Ventoy is basically a custom boot loader that you install to your flash drive that will automatically search for ISOs within it and create boot entries. |
| 18:13.10 | alexrelis[m] | It allows you to boot from multiple ISOs from one image and use your drive for storage while also using it as a bootable install media. |
| 18:13.29 | Kali_Yuga | alexrelis[m]: I will try |
| 18:13.38 | Kali_Yuga | alexrelis[m]: thanks for the help |
| 18:13.50 | alexrelis[m] | Kali_Yuga: no prob. If you need any more help feel free to ask. |
| 18:14.00 | mrkramps | unixbsd, or you just want to install the bsdutils / bsdmainutils |
| 18:14.18 | unixbsd | well manpages tells something else... see: man cal |
| 18:15.21 | Kali_Yuga | alexrelis[m]: now just throwing that windows.iso on there or what?? |
| 18:15.33 | Kali_Yuga | after installing Ventoy on that stick |
| 18:16.45 | mrkramps | unixbsd, end of man page: "Highlighting of dates is disabled if stdout is not a tty." |
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| 18:17.30 | alexrelis[m] | Kali_Yuga: yes |
| 18:19.05 | Kali_Yuga | alexrelis[m]: okay, hoping for the best... I'll come back and say if it worked or not once it's one copying |
| 18:19.16 | Kali_Yuga | done* |
| 18:20.01 | unixbsd | "cal -h" does give error.. dont know |
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| 18:22.17 | mrkramps | unixbsd, cal is somehow not working, ncal seems to do the job |
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| 18:22.35 | unixbsd | is there a little workaround for it? |
| 18:22.53 | hudo | is there a binary for rizin ? |
| 18:23.02 | unixbsd | ncal is another thing, and not reliable to port on other platforms. |
| 18:23.07 | mrkramps | unixbsd, i am just guessing, but cal is probably around for compatibility reasons while in bsd was already replaced with ncal |
| 18:23.20 | unixbsd | cal is unmaintained since years and ages. |
| 18:24.02 | Kali_Yuga | alexrelis[m]: okay, moment of truth |
| 18:24.18 | Kali_Yuga | alexrelis[m]: be right back |
| 18:25.24 | mason | unixbsd: Interesting. That's a docbug, with the -h. |
| 18:26.04 | unixbsd | there is here a bug fix that can be helping : https://termbin.com/hs3q (source file: cal+.c) |
| 18:26.05 | mason | Ooh, ncal is a little unnatural-feeling, but I can see what they're going for. Interesting. |
| 18:26.48 | unixbsd | it is a bug |
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| 18:34.30 | alexrelis[m] | Kali_Yuga: <crosses fingers> |
| 18:34.38 | alexrelis[m] | crosses fingers |
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| 18:36.40 | hudo | is there a binary package for rizin ? |
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| 18:39.33 | Kali_Yuga | alexrelis[m]: did I talk to you earlier? |
| 18:39.40 | Kali_Yuga | anyway it worked |
| 18:40.20 | alexrelis[m] | Kali_Yuga: yup |
| 18:40.25 | alexrelis[m] | You're welcome. |
| 18:40.48 | Kali_Yuga | thanks you saved me and ventoy is pretty good just throwing multiple Isos onto a USB and boot any of them sounds neat |
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| 18:50.41 | hansol | guys, we have given the root password to somebody to fix somethening to our site, they have fixed our case, but they got changed the root password, we hack the root password and changed but now they are login in into our machine and they starting a miner. Our question is how we can find from where and how they are starting this miners and fix |
| 18:50.42 | hansol | everything? |
| 18:51.32 | unixbsd | mount with a live cdrom, like slackware iso for instance |
| 18:51.45 | hansol | its a deiab |
| 18:51.46 | unixbsd | mount /dev/sda1 /mnt ; vi /etc/shadow and |
| 18:52.00 | sney | hansol: restore from backup prior to the other person getting access |
| 18:52.03 | unixbsd | then replace root:: blabla to get :: no pass on root. |
| 18:52.31 | hansol | we have changed password but he is login agian and starting miner script |
| 18:52.48 | hansol | but theroot password is changed |
| 18:52.55 | sney | hansol: exactly, you'll never find every backdoor. RESTORE FROM BACKUP. |
| 18:53.18 | hansol | you thing its a php script ? |
| 18:53.36 | sney | it could be lots of things. |
| 18:53.58 | sney | maybe more than one, so you find a service that's giving him access, and he's still got another way in |
| 18:54.01 | hansol | is there a script to see all incoming connections |
| 18:54.19 | hansol | and from where that user is login in ? |
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| 18:54.49 | sney | I've already told you the responsible way to handle this. if your server is compromised, it's time to burn it down. end of. |
| 18:55.08 | sney | you can never trust it again once a malicious person has had root |
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| 19:05.45 | alexrelis[m] | hansol: posts like these make me scared to have a home server. |
| 19:06.18 | sney | as long as you don't give some rando login credentials, it's pretty easy to avoid |
| 19:06.43 | alexrelis[m] | Yeah, and disable password and root auth. |
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| 19:07.35 | alexrelis[m] | Better to just make a user account for them, and give them sudo privileges for the specific thing that are tasked to configured. |
| 19:07.48 | alexrelis[m] | configure* |
| 19:10.22 | ratrace | hansol: as someone who has server security as its $daily_job ..... I agree with sney. burn it. scatter the ashes. rebuild from known good backups. |
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| 19:12.25 | ratrace | alexrelis[m]: that wouldn't help much. simply put .... you have to trust your admin. |
| 19:13.01 | ratrace | and if you can isolate "external jobs", then do it in VMs, let them build ansible/saltstack/whatever recipes for the job, you review them and execute |
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| 19:14.10 | ratrace | hell, we have some external "consultants" do some work for us. they're given VMs that are purged daily, on physically separate machines... in fact, the whole datacenter even is separate from our production capacities. |
| 19:14.24 | ratrace | (and they're not even roots, just unpriv user work) |
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| 19:20.48 | ixil | is there someway to fake that there's no conflict when force-installing a package that creates one? |
| 19:20.58 | ixil | *force-conflicts |
| 19:21.25 | infosec_yo | debian webserver is outdated. |
| 19:21.33 | sney | infosec_yo: go bother someone else |
| 19:21.56 | sney | ixil: go back a step and resolve the conflict. if you can't install an unavailable dependency, try with equivs |
| 19:22.07 | ixil | I tried with equivs |
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| 19:22.42 | ixil | sney: I tried making an equivs that lists a *Provides that conflicts with the it's *Depends |
| 19:22.55 | sney | if you can't make your package cooperate with apt, then it may be best to install it a different way, like straight into /usr/local |
| 19:23.05 | ixil | I was trying to get around a poorly done python-foo conflicts with python3-foo |
| 19:23.53 | ixil | sney: It was to get around another script that I think uses apt to check it's dependencies |
| 19:23.58 | ixil | which sadly I don't have control over |
| 19:24.10 | sney | hmm |
| 19:24.36 | sney | is it targeting a different debian version? |
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| 19:26.08 | ixil | sney: well it's targeting several ROS (robotics operating system) distros, but is meant to target focal |
| 19:26.25 | ixil | but it's done by the research group that I'm working with |
| 19:27.01 | ixil | so they did their own stuff + ros has poorly done python/python3 packages |
| 19:28.01 | sney | any time you override apt's dependency resolution, you're only setting yourself up for more headaches later. going that way isn't a solution to anything. |
| 19:28.11 | mrkramps | ixil, depackage it and rebuild proper package? |
| 19:28.23 | sney | so, you should get these people to fix their script. if you need to use it right away, use an ubuntu vm |
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| 19:29.02 | ixil | I don't have too much experience with debian/ubuntu - I am using a ubuntu vm :'( |
| 19:29.02 | mrkramps | probably even better |
| 19:29.20 | ixil | although I'm doing that through LXD so maybe I went wrong there too |
| 19:29.44 | mrkramps | ixil, so the problem is in your ubuntu VM then? |
| 19:29.48 | ixil | mrkamps: I was thinking about it, but then I think I also have to repackage it from ros and it's several 'distribution' |
| 19:30.08 | ixil | mrkramps - could be, but shouldn't be - it's a clean install |
| 19:30.19 | sney | !ubuntuirc |
| 19:30.19 | dpkg | This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server chat.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using HexChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://chat.freenode.net/ubuntu |
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| 19:31.02 | ixil | anyway I guess there's no dpkg flag I can just switch? (which is why I came to #debian) |
| 19:31.15 | sney | no |
| 19:31.21 | ixil | ok, thanks for the help |
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| 20:08.11 | bitdefect | Any suricata users here? |
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| 20:09.15 | bitdefect | I get a segfault via suricatasc -c shutdown when using the backported version from bullseye in buster. |
| 20:09.21 | bitdefect | I wondered if someone can confirm that. |
| 20:11.16 | drl | Is this the same kernel as Debian Buster: Linux mx 5.6.0-2-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 5.6.14-2~mx19+1 (2020-06-14) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 20:11.34 | sney | drl: no, buster has 4.19 and buster-backports has 5.8 or 5.9 |
| 20:11.37 | mrkramps | drl, nope |
| 20:12.02 | alex11 | that also says 'mx' |
| 20:12.07 | alex11 | which probably means mx linux |
| 20:12.52 | sney | bitdefect: I don't see any reports of similar issues, but it looks like there were significant changes between the buster and bpo versions, so there might be some regression caused by older config options? I'm not familiar with that package, but maybe start clean and see if the segv goes away |
| 20:13.47 | bitdefect | sney: I actually did. I want to set this up on a new firewall hardware I got recently (Protectli). |
| 20:14.19 | sney | bitdefect: in that case I would consult with suricata upstream |
| 20:14.25 | bitdefect | sney: I only got suricata and suricata-update from bullseye, the rest is a fresh netinstall with only system tools installed. |
| 20:14.40 | bitdefect | sney: Will do |
| 20:15.16 | bitdefect | sney: I actually loaded the core dump in gdb, but that's not helpful, due to missing debugging symbols. |
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| 20:15.33 | drl | I'm needing libx11.so.6 to work with Linux mx 5.6.0-2-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 5.6.14-2~mx19+1 (2020-06-14) x86_64 GNU/Linux. How can I get it? |
| 20:19.19 | sney | drl: mxlinux is not supported here. ask on their forums. |
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| 20:19.44 | sney | !antix |
| 20:19.45 | dpkg | antiX is a fast, lightweight and easy to install systemd-free linux live CD distribution based on Debian Stable for Intel-AMD x86 compatible systems ( https://antixlinux.com/ ). It is related to MX Linux ( https://mxlinux.org/ ) which have support only in the form of forums https://www.antixforum.com/ and https://forum.mxlinux.org/ if you want IRC support, use a distro like Debian. antiX and MX are NOT supported here. |
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| 20:42.21 | f8e4 | i tinker aa, now: https://bpa.st/SCIQ |
| 20:43.19 | f8e4 | it can read all, why it want write mask! : apparmor="DENIED" operation="open" profile="// many of those on syscalls i guess; why? |
| 20:44.04 | f8e4 | try to confine pdf viewer that all |
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| 20:53.50 | ratrace | f8e4: paste the actual denial entry from the audit log |
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| 20:56.23 | ratrace | f8e4: ALSO ... are you writing out the profile by hand? |
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| 21:02.48 | Razathorn | I'm trying to apt-get dist-upgrade from buster to testing and I'm encountering "Breaks" errors, but I can't figure out why it is the case The newer version of the needed package to "not break" is available but for some reason is not being upgraded, so I am really just trying to determine how to figure out WHAT depends on this old version of a package and is holding me up. Can an APT/DPKG ninja help me? |
| 21:04.02 | freem | Razathorn: I would advise you to use aptitude's ncurses interface, it makes it easier to debug that sort of problems |
| 21:04.04 | sig_9 | have you changed your sources.list to testing? |
| 21:05.08 | mrkramps | apt rdepends package |
| 21:05.11 | sig_9 | you've changed in sources.list 'stable' to 'testing' or bullseye |
| 21:05.19 | Razathorn | Yes, I have, to testing sig_9 |
| 21:05.53 | Razathorn | What is aptitude's ncurses interface? I have not experienced this. I'm honestly switching back to debian from ubuntu, so I'm a bit out of practice. |
| 21:05.54 | sig_9 | removed #stabe security updates |
| 21:06.11 | mrkramps | Razathorn, did you run apt-get upgrade first? |
| 21:06.24 | Razathorn | OH sig_9 yep, did that too |
| 21:06.26 | mrkramps | like update, upgrade, dist-upgrade |
| 21:06.28 | sig_9 | mrkramps: ??? you mean apt update first |
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| 21:06.46 | sig_9 | https://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting |
| 21:06.59 | Razathorn | No I didn't do anything |
| 21:07.08 | Razathorn | just update and dist-upgrade |
| 21:07.10 | freem | Razathorn: just run the command "aptitude" |
| 21:07.39 | freem | you will need the package installed, though (which is also available on ubuntu) |
| 21:07.40 | sig_9 | not dist-upgrade, don't listen to mrkramps |
| 21:07.55 | sig_9 | apt full-upgrade |
| 21:07.55 | apt | extra, extra, read all about it, full-upgrade is the same as apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 21:08.22 | Razathorn | Folks, let me be 100% honest in this that I'm looking for apt/dpkg help here, but this is the beta "raspberry pi os" 64 bit which, unlike the 32 bit, is actually directly using buster apt sources and adding a 3rd party raspi apt source, so this may not work AT ALL when I'm done, but by god, I hope you can help me prove one way or the other ;) |
| 21:08.25 | sig_9 | https://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable#What_are_some_best_practices_for_testing.2Fsid_users.3F |
| 21:08.50 | mrkramps | Razathorn, this is bad :DDD |
| 21:08.54 | sig_9 | Razathorn: nope |
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| 21:09.31 | Razathorn | I got external storage for days, this is gonna be RAD mrkramps |
| 21:10.11 | mrkramps | Razathorn, so this is pretty much arm64 testing |
| 21:10.28 | Razathorn | yes |
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| 21:10.51 | Razathorn | my GOAL in the end is to run debian testing with raspi kernel and hw support that hasn't made it upstream yet. |
| 21:11.27 | sig_9 | Razathorn: you grab your iso from here: https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/arm64/iso-cd/ |
| 21:11.29 | sig_9 | ? |
| 21:11.38 | Razathorn | since raspi essentially moved to "extending" real debian rather than repackaging and porting it, it appears. 32bit os has raspbian sources, 64bit literally has debian urls and the raspi stuff is extra |
| 21:12.30 | Razathorn | No sig_9, this is the raspi beta 64 that I'm going to "SEE" if I can upgrade to testing. This is in no way expected to be supported or work. I'm just out there I suppose. |
| 21:12.49 | sig_9 | heh |
| 21:13.12 | sig_9 | this is my "one" line in my rasppi 4 sources.list |
| 21:13.14 | Razathorn | The reasoning is I want to have all the raspi custom stuff for gpio dev and all that working but still use the newer testing userland like kde |
| 21:13.17 | sig_9 | deb http://raspbian.raspberrypi.org/raspbian/ buster main contrib non-free rpi |
| 21:13.26 | mrkramps | Razathorn, i'd guess you have more luck at #raspbian |
| 21:13.41 | Razathorn | nah you guys pointed me in the right direction ;) |
| 21:13.46 | Razathorn | sorry, you folks. |
| 21:15.07 | bitdefect | sney: I just saw the latest old stable for suricata is 5.0.5, while the one in Bullseye is 5.0.3. Would it not be better to issue a bug report for Bullseye/Backports rather than upstream? |
| 21:15.28 | freem | hum... any idea how I could have debootstrap giving some progress information, but *not* spamming stdout ? |
| 21:15.52 | mrkramps | bitdefect, did you check upstream bug reports between for 5.0.3? |
| 21:16.11 | sney | ,v suricata |
| 21:16.12 | judd | Package: suricata on amd64 -- jessie: 2.0.7-2+deb8u1; jessie-security: 2.0.7-2+deb8u5; stretch: 3.2.1-1+deb9u1; stretch-backports: 1:4.1.2-2~bpo9+1; buster: 1:4.1.2-2+deb10u1; buster-backports: 1:5.0.3-1~bpo10+1; bullseye: 1:6.0.1-2; sid: 1:6.0.1-2 |
| 21:16.40 | bitdefect | mrkramps: I tried, at least on their website I have a hard time for 5.0.4 and 5.0.5 while they have a nice list for 5.0.3. Will check the tar.gz. |
| 21:16.51 | sney | bitdefect: bullseye has 6.0.1, but before filing a bug report, you should still confer with upstream to make sure it isn't user error on your part. |
| 21:17.09 | sney | bug reports are for when you're *sure* it's a problem with the application itself, not for support requests |
| 21:17.22 | bitdefect | sney: User error is impossible. Just kidding ;) |
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| 21:18.34 | bitdefect | sney: Yes, you're right (with both). |
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| 21:21.04 | mrkramps | bitdefect, https://github.com/OISF/suricata/blob/master-5.0.x/ChangeLog |
| 21:21.18 | bitdefect | sney: Though, I must say, a segfault should never be a configuration issue. If it is a configuration issue, you still have a severe bug ;) |
| 21:21.29 | bitdefect | mrkramps: valid point |
| 21:21.48 | mrkramps | bitdefect, https://github.com/OISF/suricata/blob/master-6.0.x/ChangeLog |
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| 21:31.53 | f8e4 | ratrace https://bpa.st/4BYQ added full log, i follow https://gitlab.com/apparmor/apparmor/-/pipelines; newb |
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| 21:32.17 | f8e4 | https://gitlab.com/apparmor/apparmor/-/wikis/Profiling_by_hand |
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| 21:33.02 | Aristide | Hello ! |
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| 21:33.39 | Aristide | I have a small problem with incrontab (0.5.12-1+deb10u1) on Debian Buster. I get a memory leak, and incrontab crash. I get lot of « cannot create watch for user root: (16) Device or resource busy » too |
| 21:33.46 | Razathorn | mrkramps / sig_9: Looks like something is depending on the buster gcc version directly. rdepends was the answer btw, I can walk backwards and identify. |
| 21:34.03 | Aristide | no problems when I use inotifywait in same directory, I get all FS events |
| 21:34.08 | Aristide | https://pastebin.com/YYZYqM3D for table |
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| 21:36.11 | mrkramps | Aristide, https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=973927 |
| 21:36.12 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/973927 in incron (open): «incron SEGV when monitoring directories»; severity: grave; opened: 2020-11-07; last modified: 2020-11-07. |
| 21:36.27 | Somelauw | After I did an apt full-upgrade my update-alternatives configuration changed for x-www-browser. Is this usual? |
| 21:38.23 | Aristide | mrkramps: Hm. Ok thank's |
| 21:38.45 | mrkramps | Aristide, for the time beeing incron is removed from testing |
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| 21:41.43 | Aristide | mrkramps: Do you know a good alternative for incron available in repo ? |
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| 21:42.04 | mrkramps | Aristide, no sorry |
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| 21:44.06 | Razathorn | mrkramps / sig_9: Found it. It's libgcc1. There's no new "testing" version for arm64 in testing. It's a buster package that has no arm64 version in testing. |
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| 21:45.36 | sney | Razathorn: there is a known issue upgrading from buster to bullseye in some cases, where libc6-dev and libgcc-8-dev get stuck due to libgcc1. if you 'apt full-upgrade libgcc1-' it will proceed, on a debian system |
| 21:46.46 | sney | libgcc1 from gcc-8 is supposed to be replaced by libgcc-s1 from gcc-10 but it doesn't always go as planned. the gcc team is working on it. |
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| 21:49.09 | Razathorn | sney: That seems like what is happening here |
| 21:50.11 | sney | Razathorn: see in the channel topic, where it says "testing/unstable: #debian-next @ irc.oftc.net"? if you had followed that when you got here, you would have found the answer much more quickly, because the testing channel is v familiar with this issue |
| 21:50.53 | Razathorn | Joining now! I did not see it. |
| 21:51.23 | Razathorn | well I need an invite, doh. |
| 21:51.25 | sney | !invite only |
| 21:51.25 | dpkg | Many debian channels are on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you try to join one and you see "Cannot join (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also https://wiki.debian.org/IRC and https://wiki.debian.org/GettingHelpOnIrc |
| 21:52.34 | Razathorn | I didn't realize that was a different network, I just thought it was adovcating another freenode server. Got it now, thx. |
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| 22:06.58 | f8e4 | sney what y use for quick hop all those servers |
| 22:07.23 | f8e4 | anyone installed matrix chat |
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| 22:07.57 | sney | I don't know what you mean by "quick hop", but I have a znc instance that is connected to both freenode and oftc, and I connect to znc with hexchat. (and 5 other unrelated networks too) |
| 22:08.04 | f8e4 | i postponed the aa; this is serious stuff, no idea; xdg-mime default chromium.desktop application/pdf will do i hope |
| 22:08.24 | ratrace | f8e4: are you using aa-genprof? |
| 22:09.10 | ratrace | f8e4: problem is, you'll need some abstractions there due to gnome ... :/ but ideally use genprof to create the initial profile, switch it to complain mode and then run aa-logprof as you use the program for a while. |
| 22:09.25 | f8e4 | just followed: https://gitlab.com/apparmor/apparmor/-/wikis/Profiling_by_hand with pure read; atril complains wants some w masks; dunno |
| 22:10.05 | f8e4 | ratrace abstraction gnome; lightdm + i3; gnome is DE no |
| 22:10.15 | ratrace | f8e4: don't profile by hand, you need boatload of AA experience for tht |
| 22:10.30 | ratrace | f8e4: but atril has gtk bindings, no? |
| 22:10.42 | ratrace | which in turns wants some gnomeish facilities, like the dconf in quesion |
| 22:11.08 | f8e4 | is there a simple "no network allowed' profile generic |
| 22:11.23 | H-var | wow... razer driver for linux... installed it, and nothing happened, not even an app with gui. Nothing. |
| 22:11.42 | f8e4 | aa is whitelist; thus harsh |
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| 22:12.10 | ratrace | anyway you'll need to do a bunch of aa-logprof runs |
| 22:12.16 | mrkramps | f8e4, you could just firejail atril |
| 22:12.17 | H-var | idk if someone is actually good with linux, and has razer, here is their stuff - https://openrazer.github.io/ |
| 22:12.22 | ratrace | f8e4: yes, you can "deny network inet stream" for example, to block ipv4 tcp |
| 22:12.33 | H-var | me personally I gave up when I realized there's no gui to play with |
| 22:12.51 | ratrace | f8e4: all MACs are whitelist |
| 22:13.23 | mrkramps | H-var, you need to install third party app for gui |
| 22:13.25 | ratrace | f8e4: but you easily turn it into a blacklist.... deny first things you wanna deny, then do a blanket allow on /** mrwxk ---- and EEWWW, my OCD is screaming now |
| 22:13.51 | f8e4 | np yo ty |
| 22:14.07 | ratrace | f8e4: with AA profiles, things that are denied first, cannot be allowed later, thus a blanket allow on /** |
| 22:14.28 | f8e4 | thats a good idea; i will give it a try with genprof |
| 22:14.55 | ratrace | f8e4: the power (and price in time taken) of AppArmor profiles is that you can finetune exactly what it's allowed to do |
| 22:15.24 | ratrace | and with upcoming versions, there will be much bigger dbus policy capabilities, and maybe even more network capabilities like ip matches etc... |
| 22:15.39 | f8e4 | yes ip:port only specific |
| 22:15.41 | ratrace | f8e4: and you can also combine with systemd units for namespacing and seccomp filtering. |
| 22:15.49 | H-var | mrkramps razergenie? I installed it and there's literally only one option - to enable or disable the razer led logo :DDDDD |
| 22:15.52 | ratrace | f8e4: afaik, ip:port is not yet available in Buster's AA |
| 22:16.35 | mrkramps | H-var, it's somthing ^^ |
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| 22:17.35 | Peyam | hi. How do replace lightdm with xscreensaver? |
| 22:17.43 | mrkramps | Peyam, not at all |
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| 22:18.11 | Peyam | I have problems with black screen from resuming on my computer and I have to restart lightdm service and it closes all of my applications |
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| 22:18.25 | ratrace | Peyam: the two are different programms, you don't replace one with another |
| 22:18.42 | c077ee | I have a debian /etc/apt/preferences file and I want to specify a single package to come from a custom repository: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/strycore/Debian_10/ (lutris) |
| 22:18.53 | c077ee | I am a little confused on how the syntax here would work. |
| 22:19.23 | ratrace | c077ee: you read that apt pinning wikis, manpages? |
| 22:19.26 | ratrace | *the |
| 22:19.45 | c077ee | Yeah I am reading through the wiki entry at the moment. |
| 22:19.59 | c077ee | My only concern here is I want to pin directly to this URL and not just the domain |
| 22:20.07 | Peyam | ratrace, so light-locker should be replaced with lightdm or lightdm+greeting with xscreensaver? |
| 22:20.08 | c077ee | Which the entries seem to specify, maybe I need to scan further through it. |
| 22:20.57 | ratrace | Peyam: lightdm is a display manager. xscreensaver is not. the two have similar APPARENT functionality in that at some point they require you to input your credentials to continue. that is all. |
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| 22:21.35 | Peyam | ratrace, do you know how I can resolve the issue with black screen after resuming ? |
| 22:21.50 | Peyam | I can reach tty but not the nothing else |
| 22:22.25 | ratrace | Peyam: sounds like some GPU issues I used to run in the past, with nvidia. |
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| 22:22.40 | Peyam | I dont have a gpu |
| 22:22.45 | ratrace | yes you do |
| 22:22.51 | Peyam | integrated graphics |
| 22:22.55 | ratrace | which is a gpu |
| 22:23.05 | Peyam | emulating gpu yes |
| 22:23.06 | ratrace | you're thinking about "discrete" GPU that you don't have |
| 22:23.13 | Peyam | no I haven |
| 22:23.15 | Peyam | t |
| 22:23.23 | ratrace | jesus christ on a crotch..... |
| 22:23.47 | Peyam | I don |
| 22:24.05 | Peyam | I dont have a discrete GPU |
| 22:24.12 | ratrace | yes. I said that. |
| 22:24.25 | ratrace | your integrated GPU is still a GPU |
| 22:24.36 | Peyam | what was the deal with jesus christ on a crotch? |
| 22:24.37 | ratrace | and it has issues. do you have firmware installed? |
| 22:24.51 | Peyam | let see |
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| 22:26.33 | c077ee | Looking at apt-cache policy lutris |
| 22:26.34 | Peyam | ratrace, http://paste.debian.net/1176791/ |
| 22:26.41 | ratrace | I believe it's the firmware-misc-nonfree package, but do check in dmesg if the kernel is complaining of missing firmware |
| 22:27.00 | H-var | mrkramps https://i.imgur.com/cVZJEtf.png )))))) |
| 22:27.07 | mrkramps | hm, it seems like the lightdm issue might be fixable with explicitly creating a config in xorg.conf.d |
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| 22:27.14 | ratrace | c077ee: I reckon you've seen this? https://wiki.debian.org/AptConfiguration |
| 22:27.31 | ratrace | mrkramps: with what contents? |
| 22:27.33 | mrkramps | H-var, looks like your device is not very well supported by openrazer? |
| 22:27.35 | c077ee | Yes. |
| 22:27.36 | Peyam | ratrace, http://paste.debian.net/1176792/ |
| 22:27.54 | mrkramps | ratrace, just the driver "intel" part ... https://github.com/the-cavalry/light-locker/issues/61 |
| 22:28.09 | mrkramps | ratrace, sry, this comment https://github.com/the-cavalry/light-locker/issues/61#issuecomment-509346733 |
| 22:28.24 | ratrace | Peyam: yes you're missing firmware. firmware-misc-nonfree |
| 22:28.42 | ratrace | mrkramps: I'd start with installing firmware, chances are that's enough |
| 22:28.43 | Peyam | how did you see it? Im interested how you found it out |
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| 22:29.07 | ratrace | Peyam: lines 635 - 639 ... or in other words dmesg | grep -i firmware |
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| 22:29.16 | mrkramps | yeah, good point |
| 22:29.32 | ratrace | Peyam: if it complains about specific firmware files it fails to load, you use apt-file to find the package that provides it, then install it, then reboot |
| 22:30.03 | c077ee | I managed to fiddle around with the pinning using a custom Pin: origin a=obs://build/... pin |
| 22:30.07 | c077ee | That ended up working out. |
| 22:30.26 | Peyam | and you saw it because it is right below the vgaarb right? |
| 22:30.43 | ratrace | c077ee: it's a slipper slope, apt pinning. guys here will be quick to slap a frankendebian factoid when someone mentions it :) |
| 22:30.56 | ratrace | Peyam: I saw it because I looked for the phrase "firmware" |
| 22:31.06 | Peyam | aah okey. |
| 22:31.11 | ratrace | i915 firmware is related to the intel GPU |
| 22:31.21 | Peyam | ahh |
| 22:31.24 | Peyam | awesome. thanks |
| 22:31.25 | mrkramps | c077ee, is it worth all the work? lutris already landed in testing |
| 22:31.31 | c077ee | Yeah I have been using debian for 16 years at the moment. I ended up just fiddling with it till it worked out. I don't come on the IRC that often because it has way too much chatter. |
| 22:31.38 | c077ee | Lutris is broken at the moment at least for my configuration |
| 22:31.59 | c077ee | I mentioned it directly to the lutris devs, they aren't respecting the config file and a lot of issues in the latest update seem to have borked things. |
| 22:32.01 | Peyam | so you use apt-file i915? I though you did apt+cache search |
| 22:32.13 | ratrace | Peyam: apt-file search i915/skl_dmc_ver1_27.bin |
| 22:32.17 | ratrace | or via bot: |
| 22:32.19 | ratrace | ,file i915/skl_dmc_ver1_27.bin |
| 22:32.24 | judd | Search for i915/skl_dmc_ver1_27.bin in buster/amd64: firmware-misc-nonfree: lib/firmware/i915/skl_dmc_ver1_27.bin |
| 22:32.46 | Peyam | awesome. You learn something new everyday |
| 22:33.13 | ratrace | I'm curious now if installing the firware suffices to fix your issue |
| 22:33.21 | ratrace | otherwise, mrkramps had some suggestions |
| 22:33.50 | freem | ls |
| 22:33.52 | freem | oups |
| 22:34.56 | freem | ok, so, `pv` shows progress bar, but have input buffered oO |
| 22:37.59 | ratrace | freem: and what are you doing with pv so that's a problem? |
| 22:38.22 | freem | showing debootstrap's progress, in a way that does not clutter the output |
| 22:38.53 | Peyam | what is the difference between task and thread? |
| 22:39.06 | mrkramps | freem, --line-mode? |
| 22:39.15 | freem | it is block buffered... |
| 22:39.16 | Peyam | and when running htop what is the difference between the green lines and the white ones? |
| 22:39.24 | freem | or looks like, at least |
| 22:39.46 | ratrace | you can alter the buffer size and yes, there's --line-mode |
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| 22:40.04 | freem | I have used line-mode, make the sed expression easier |
| 22:40.29 | freem | pv have it's stdin block-buffered it seems |
| 22:40.50 | freem | even with the -l option |
| 22:41.02 | ratrace | I can't picture using debootstrap with pv ... how exactly are you doing that? and to what end? not as if you can know total size it'll output to have a meaningful progress bar |
| 22:41.17 | freem | but you can. |
| 22:41.40 | ratrace | what, you counted a typical deboostrap output and are using that? |
| 22:41.43 | mrkramps | hm, --no-splice might help |
| 22:41.48 | freem | requires summoning it multiple times, of course, and there is an initial step I have yet to avoid doing several times |
| 22:42.35 | freem | I'm working my way to have a better progression indicator in debootstrap yes |
| 22:42.41 | freem | pkglist=$(debootstrap --keep-debootstrap-dir --print-debs --variant=minbase buster $TARGET 2>/dev/null | wc -l) |
| 22:42.52 | freem | debootstrap --keep-debootstrap-dir --download-only --variant=minbase buster $TARGET 2>/dev/null | sed -u -n '/Validating/ p' | pv -l -s $pkglist > debootstrap.dl.log |
| 22:43.04 | freem | and here you have progress for the downloading step |
| 22:43.34 | freem | hum... |
| 22:43.49 | freem | s/pv/stdbuf -i0 pv/ |
| 22:44.11 | ratrace | well, then. |
| 22:44.27 | freem | or maybe I'm actually wrong and have my mind confused by all the tests |
| 22:44.44 | freem | no need for stdbuf there |
| 22:45.11 | freem | meaning that it's not buffered, or at least not block-buffered. Mea culpa. |
| 22:45.23 | f8e4 | ratrace: atril got a.. PERMIT DENIED! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FBz7lHjpoI |
| 22:45.44 | freem | still wish I could avoid download the package list reference multiple times... |
| 22:48.06 | ratrace | f8e4: what's on the link? |
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| 22:48.46 | ratrace | freem: you can alter the buffer size. the manpage says it's quite a large default if it can't detect from the filesystem, which it can't if you pipe to it |
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| 22:49.20 | freem | ratrace: I thinkI was just wrong and confused by too many unsuccessful changes |
| 22:50.02 | freem | the 2 lines of code I gave a bit earlier "just works(tm)" even without stdbuf, so... |
| 22:50.49 | ratrace | wellp... |
| 22:51.56 | ratrace | I keep auth on port 25 because it's a server and config and clients I drag since late 2010s... back then things were.... different. |
| 22:52.23 | ratrace | no, since _before_ 2010 ... |
| 22:52.33 | ratrace | late ... first decade ... gah... whatsitcalled... |
| 22:53.14 | freem | millenium? |
| 22:53.18 | sig_9 | what version of Plasma will debian 11 stable have? |
| 22:53.38 | ratrace | meh wrong chan for what I posted.... damned alt-# |
| 22:53.44 | freem | hehe |
| 22:54.25 | ratrace | the first decade, anyhoo. late 2000s. that's it. 2000s |
| 22:55.42 | mrkramps | freem, could you not just hack the debootstrap script? |
| 22:56.18 | freem | mrkramps: more than 800 lines of shell? |
| 22:56.33 | mrkramps | freem, + 1897 in functions |
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| 22:57.19 | freem | lol |
| 22:57.34 | freem | so, well, I'd better hack cdebootstrap than this |
| 22:57.53 | freem | ~3KLoC in shell is not something I want to touch |
| 22:57.53 | apt | okay, freem |
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| 22:59.10 | ratrace | what's your end goal? I never thought about tweaking debootstrap, and that's almos the exclusive way I install debian |
| 22:59.28 | ratrace | at least all the servers are exclusively debootstrapped due to ZFS root on LUKS |
| 22:59.39 | freem | I'm building my own installer |
| 22:59.45 | ratrace | ooooo |
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| 23:00.01 | freem | but sometimes I wonder if it's frozen or not, since I >/dev/null debootstrap |
| 23:00.12 | freem | and I >/dev/null it because otherwise it just spams |
| 23:00.21 | ratrace | freem: do it the microsoft way :) count steps, not bytes lol. nice progress to 98% within first few minutes, then 3 hours for those last 2% |
| 23:00.27 | freem | and the other day, someone here spoke about pv... so... |
| 23:01.12 | freem | with debootstrap, even showing steps would not be easy :) |
| 23:01.19 | ratrace | I like the way how freebsd can be installed by unpacking two tarballs. and stage3 on gentoo. |
| 23:03.42 | freem | hum... looks like by using the tarball builder, I can avoid downloading 3 times /var/lib/apt/lists's content |
| 23:03.43 | mrkramps | freem, from the first look, the deb list seems to be saved in a variable |
| 23:05.28 | freem | I find it preferable to avoid patching such a beast |
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| 23:06.13 | freem | using official stuff as long as I have the choice seems a lot preferable to me |
| 23:06.42 | f8e4 | feels empowered with aa under the chest |
| 23:07.43 | freem | hum... I tricked download step with a sed expression, but the install them will be require multiplying the number of packages... damn |
| 23:08.03 | freem | never remembers how to do math in shell |
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| 23:10.08 | f8e4 | freem python -c '1+1' |
| 23:10.12 | freem | lol |
| 23:10.21 | freem | man shell |
| 23:10.44 | freem | man dash |
| 23:10.47 | freem | actually |
| 23:11.01 | f8e4 | oh shell, not 'a shell |
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| 23:11.30 | freem | also, I find $((1+1)) faster to write |
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| 23:23.38 | deicide- | whats the website to post code? |
| 23:23.44 | mrkramps | !paste |
| 23:23.45 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: https://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: https://imgbb.com/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): https://filebin.net or https://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <termbin>. |
| 23:24.07 | deicide- | ty |
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| 23:38.37 | gnat_x | I'm using a 3rd party repo for one package. i have been for years, and the upstream maintainer has been pretty good about stuff. anyway, upgraded to bullseye, and now getting "Depends: python3 (< 3.9) but 3.9.0-4 is to be installed" is that a packaging error, or possibly some risidual config issue from buster on my end? |
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| 23:39.48 | freem | maybe python >= 3.9 broke something in the program, and thus the program in the package needs fixing? |
| 23:40.35 | mrkramps | nope, package is for python < 3.9 and bullseye ships with 3.9 |
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| 23:41.59 | mrkramps | probably will not work then |
| 23:43.20 | freem | < 3.9 means 3.9 and above broke something |
| 23:44.09 | mrkramps | maybe code was just not tested for 3.9 yet |
| 23:44.10 | freem | if the devs and packager did their job, at least |
| 23:44.15 | freem | that, too |
| 23:44.42 | gnat_x | yeah, i'll check with the maintainer. |
| 23:45.03 | gnat_x | looks like that might be the case, if i'm reading apt depends right. |
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| 23:48.17 | H-var | guys what is the name of that next graphical engine for linux that is supposed to take place of x11? |
| 23:48.44 | mrkramps | wayland |
| 23:49.23 | H-var | is this like serious? It's gonna happen eventually on all desktop interfaces? |
| 23:49.31 | H-var | is it gonna come to xfce? |
| 23:49.49 | H-var | what are the most important challenges of wayland right now? |
| 23:49.56 | mrkramps | this is serious |
| 23:50.27 | mrkramps | some distributions have it already anabled by default |
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| 23:51.25 | mrkramps | if i believe wikipedia, it's also default for gnome in debian buster already |
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| 23:52.21 | H-var | but people say that there like some problems running apps in it |
| 23:52.44 | H-var | I was wondering if like it's apps that have to adapt and change, or it's wayland that has to be better? |
| 23:52.58 | freem | wayland is not an engine, it's a protocol, which already have a lot of server implementations |
| 23:53.15 | mrkramps | apps need to support this protocol |
| 23:53.35 | mrkramps | those build on gtk3 and qt5 for example already do this |
| 23:53.40 | freem | apps usually depends on gtk or qt, which is where the porting work is done, usually |
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| 23:54.00 | freem | all applications directly relying on X11 won't be ported, though. |
| 23:54.14 | freem | or will require a lot of work (unlikely to be done) |
| 23:54.30 | mrkramps | for xfce i'd guess xfwm4 is the issue |
| 23:54.43 | mrkramps | or at least the biggest issue |
| 23:54.56 | freem | ah, yes, window managers also requires rewriting |
| 23:55.11 | gnat_x | my understanding is that xfce 4.16 will not support wayland, but it is on the roadmap for the following release. |
| 23:55.13 | freem | compositors, too |
| 23:56.01 | mrkramps | gnat_x, xfce 4.16 should be mostly ported to gtk3, but the window manager is not wayland compatible yet |
| 23:56.32 | gnat_x | yes. that's basically what i understand to be the situation. |
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| 23:57.01 | gnat_x | and that the call was made to not hold up 4.16 to wait for all the wayland bits to be hammered down. |
| 23:57.13 | freem | because window managers will become graphic servers in wayland |
| 23:57.31 | mrkramps | probably xfwm4 will not be ported and be replaced by something like xfway |
| 23:57.55 | freem | I'd it's not wise to use freshly ported ^W rewriten WM promoted to graphical servers |
| 23:58.42 | H-var | how can I make debian update to xfce 4.14? |
| 23:58.52 | H-var | or 4.16pre2? |
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| 23:59.23 | mrkramps | H-var, building it yourself |
| 23:59.55 | mrkramps | although for the time being 4.14 is in testing |
