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| 02:01.47 | mojow | hello. is there a debian config help channel? |
| 02:03.20 | mojow | if i can post support request here. i just upgraded to debian10 and can't access as root with ftp client |
| 02:03.20 | mutante | !ask |
| 02:03.20 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/ See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 02:03.51 | mojow | i could enable root login in ssh but not sftp |
| 02:04.29 | mojow | before you tell me, i know remote root access bad but I don't mind, i don't run a business |
| 02:04.48 | mutante | mojow: Well.. not really recommended to use root in the first place, but the shorter answer I would give is "just use scp" |
| 02:04.57 | mutante | because if sshd runs that's all you need |
| 02:05.13 | mojow | scp? |
| 02:05.21 | mojow | please elaborate |
| 02:05.56 | mutante | https://www.maketecheasier.com/scp-vs-sftp/ |
| 02:06.04 | mojow | oh that's an alternate transfer client? |
| 02:06.17 | mojow | no thanks, I use sftp |
| 02:06.27 | mutante | mojow: if ssh works already, you can already do this: "scp file user@host:/somewhere/" |
| 02:06.33 | mojow | my client is filezilla, does not support scp |
| 02:06.37 | mutante | without having to setup another daemon |
| 02:06.39 | mojow | just sftp please |
| 02:06.53 | mutante | the point is that you already have a running and working daemon |
| 02:07.03 | mutante | and setting up another one is kind of pointless extra work |
| 02:07.14 | mojow | i just need it |
| 02:07.19 | mutante | there are GUI clients for SCP as well |
| 02:07.25 | mutante | they look _exactly_ like an FTP client |
| 02:07.32 | mutante | left side is one computer, right side the other computer |
| 02:07.33 | mutante | you move files |
| 02:07.44 | mojow | filezilla has a nice and convenient interface so it's not pointless |
| 02:08.06 | mojow | please i don't want to use another client |
| 02:08.20 | mutante | https://www.keycdn.com/support/how-to-use-filezilla |
| 02:08.27 | mutante | you can use filezilla regardless |
| 02:08.33 | mojow | how do i fix my root access problem with sftp please? I can access as debian but not as root |
| 02:09.00 | mojow | on ssh i can login as root |
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| 02:09.19 | mojow | but not on sftp |
| 02:09.30 | mojow | would appreciate help with that point |
| 02:09.53 | mutante | I don't know the answer, it's probably disabled for security reasons because that's a bad idea. |
| 02:09.58 | mojow | i edited nano /etc/ftpusers |
| 02:10.03 | mojow | commented out root |
| 02:10.11 | mojow | but still can't login as root |
| 02:10.39 | mojow | do i need to restart something? |
| 02:11.28 | mojow | root@host:~# service sftp restart |
| 02:11.28 | mojow | Failed to restart sftp.service: Unit sftp.service failed to load: No such file or directory. |
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| 02:11.48 | mojow | what's the name of the sftp service? |
| 02:12.05 | mutante | mojow: maybe this is helpful https://www.linuxtechi.com/configure-sftp-chroot-debian10/ |
| 02:12.54 | mutante | mojow: look for the "Subsystem sftp " line in sshd config too.. it is mentioned in the link |
| 02:13.23 | mutante | seems like it might be "sftpusers" where you did "ftpusers" |
| 02:14.11 | mojow | no such file in /etc/ |
| 02:15.08 | mutante | which file? |
| 02:15.14 | mojow | sftpusers |
| 02:16.35 | mutante | I don't think anyone claimed that would be a file in /etc/ ,it's the name of a group used in useradd command to add users to it and the the group itself would be in /etc/group or so |
| 02:17.01 | mutante | try to follow that tutorial above. basically my first comments about scp were to try and save you from having to worry about this part |
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| 02:17.59 | mojow | i don't know what that chroot even is |
| 02:18.21 | mojow | not going to follow that tutorial that may be completely unrelated |
| 02:18.23 | mutante | mojow: what do you actually want to achieve .. after you connect as root? |
| 02:19.01 | mutante | mojow: well the second step is about how to add users to the sftpusers group, seemed relevant .. but maybe not |
| 02:19.21 | mojow | problem is super simple. i can't login as root with ftp client, it fails with fatal error |
| 02:20.03 | mutante | don't you think it could be likely "root isn't in some special group of users allowed to sftp"? |
| 02:20.59 | mojow | how can i check that? |
| 02:21.46 | mojow | i would expect root to be able to access anything |
| 02:21.48 | mutante | mojow: the "id" command tells you which groups a user is in |
| 02:22.05 | mutante | the other thing was about the sshd_config line I mentioned earlier |
| 02:22.06 | mojow | so "id root" ? |
| 02:22.49 | mutante | sure. and then maybe "id someotheruser" |
| 02:22.51 | mojow | i checked sshd_config it says PermitRootLogin yes |
| 02:22.55 | mutante | the one where sftp works for you |
| 02:23.50 | mutante | that is about ssh/scp |
| 02:23.57 | mojow | sftp works with user debian |
| 02:24.06 | mojow | root@host:~# id debian |
| 02:24.06 | mojow | id: debian: no such user |
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| 02:24.11 | mutante | is the debian user in some "sftp_users" group ? |
| 02:24.33 | mojow | now explain that |
| 02:24.40 | mutante | yea, I also have no user called debian on my debian system |
| 02:25.21 | mojow | *sigh* |
| 02:25.36 | mojow | mutante, no offense but are you a newbie like me? |
| 02:25.37 | mutante | dunno, so far we talked about step 1 and 2 in the tutorial and now step 3 and 4 |
| 02:25.43 | mutante | but you thought it was unrelated |
| 02:25.54 | mutante | no, mojow, you should actually try reading the whole thing |
| 02:26.06 | mutante | it was pretty related to all we just talked about |
| 02:26.13 | mutante | and it explains how to setup sftp on debian 10 |
| 02:26.18 | mojow | I stopped at chroot |
| 02:26.22 | mutante | dunno... thats what i got for you |
| 02:26.32 | mojow | i don't know what chroot is, so i don't follow tutorial |
| 02:26.56 | mojow | chroot may be a completely different thing |
| 02:27.24 | sney | sftp/scp are part of ssh. so to restart the "sftp service", it's just systemctl restart ssh. |
| 02:27.25 | sponix | mutante: for me, there is next to no setup required for sftp. I just apt install openssh-server edit sshd_config to change the default port - start it up, and off I go |
| 02:27.29 | mojow | so not going to make change to system that I don't understand fully |
| 02:27.50 | sponix | sney: I think they are trying to make this more complicated than it should be :P |
| 02:27.54 | mutante | sponix: sure, but he did not want to read about the part that explains what to edit in the sshd_config |
| 02:28.16 | sponix | hmm |
| 02:28.43 | mutante | he also did not want to just use the protocol that already works |
| 02:28.48 | mutante | nor another user |
| 02:28.52 | sponix | mojow: root for ssh / sftp is just a bad idea |
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| 02:28.59 | sney | depending on the situation |
| 02:29.03 | mojow | sney > systemctl restart ssh did not help, still can not login as root to sftp |
| 02:29.15 | sponix | lol |
| 02:29.22 | mutante | nor did I want to get into the "it's bad idea" nor did I get an answer what we are actually trying to fix |
| 02:29.29 | mutante | so that's that |
| 02:29.38 | sponix | it is a bad idea ;) |
| 02:29.43 | sney | chroot likely doesn't have anything to do with anything, anyway |
| 02:29.54 | mojow | <sponix> please read above |
| 02:30.01 | sponix | BUT, its your system. Do as you like |
| 02:30.06 | mojow | mojow> before you tell me, i know remote root access bad but I don't mind, i don't run a business |
| 02:30.12 | mutante | yea, it doesnt have to , still that link explains the sshd_config, how to add users to groups AND how to test SFTP |
| 02:30.25 | sponix | mojow: you think text above is going to change my mind on root sftp being a bad idea ? I have my doubts :P |
| 02:30.56 | mojow | no problem i respect your opinions |
| 02:31.07 | mojow | i just want to sot my problem right now |
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| 02:31.22 | mojow | what stops me from login as root to sftp |
| 02:31.27 | sney | ssh/scp with root is fine as long as it's key-auth only and the relevant firewall keeps the botnets out. |
| 02:31.39 | sney | nothing should, if PermitRootLogin is enabled |
| 02:31.40 | mojow | i commented out root in /etc/ftpusers so what else |
| 02:31.51 | sney | ftp is not sftp. make sure you are not confusing them. |
| 02:32.00 | mutante | yea, he could already start WinSCP and scp as root@ right now |
| 02:32.20 | mojow | *how do i enable root in sftp? |
| 02:32.32 | mojow | i googled it, found nothint |
| 02:32.36 | mojow | nothing* |
| 02:33.17 | mojow | in debian 8 i could sftp as root |
| 02:33.21 | sney | mojow: edit sshd_config and enable PermitRootLogin. the best way is with ssh keys, there are a lot of docs online for this, but in the meantime you can set it to 'yes' |
| 02:34.03 | sney | sftp and scp are 2 different ways to transfer data over a ssh tunnel. if one works, the other will too. |
| 02:34.22 | mojow | in sshd_config i see PermitRootLogin yes |
| 02:34.22 | mojow | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:34.27 | mutante | he already checked PermitRootLogin though. the issue is probably confusion ftp vs sftp |
| 02:34.27 | mojow | so what else |
| 02:34.28 | sney | and neither one is FTP (port 21). |
| 02:34.55 | sney | if you're using filezilla or something like that, you will *need* to specify sftp:// or port 22, or else it will default to ftp and fail. |
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| 02:35.36 | mojow | my filezilla config works in debian 8 |
| 02:35.50 | mutante | yes, filezilla, man, i even pasted the "how to use filezilla" tutorial |
| 02:35.50 | mojow | only changed the ip to new server with debian 10 |
| 02:36.00 | sney | you're new, so I'll cut you some slack, but "it worked before" is about the most useless thing you can say in a support channel |
| 02:36.13 | mojow | ok listen man |
| 02:36.20 | sney | we didn't see your old system, we don't know whatever context you're working from. |
| 02:36.20 | mojow | i 'm no noob |
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| 02:36.25 | mojow | i know what i do |
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| 02:36.40 | sney | ok, mazel tov, I'll go watch star trek instead of worrying about this |
| 02:36.42 | mojow | still can't access as root in debian 10 |
| 02:36.48 | sponix | mojow: back in Debian 8 root was permitted to login via ssh in the default config also :) |
| 02:37.10 | mutante | just like defining the problem as "very simple" for others when at the same time they spend their free time to help you with the somehow not so simple question |
| 02:37.20 | sponix | mojow: you do in fact have the protocol set to "SFTP" within Filezilla for the connection ? |
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| 02:37.23 | mojow | yeah but that still doesn't tell me how to fix my problem |
| 02:37.37 | mojow | of course |
| 02:37.47 | sponix | goes to attempt this |
| 02:37.56 | sney | mutante: like the kids who join #debian-next and wax grandiose about "I've been using sid every day for 10 years!" before demanding asap help for something fundamental |
| 02:38.09 | mutante | how about checking some logs on the server while trying to connect and see if it gives you some more details about root being denied? |
| 02:38.10 | mojow | you want a screenshot proof or something? |
| 02:38.58 | mojow | FATAL ERROR: Received unexpected end-of-file from SFTP server |
| 02:39.22 | mojow | only happens as root, not as debian |
| 02:39.35 | mojow | can login to sftp as debian not as root |
| 02:39.38 | mutante | interesting, now that is NOT what we expected I think |
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| 02:40.04 | mojow | on ssh can login as both debian and root |
| 02:40.37 | mojow | i gloogled this for a while, can't find a damn relevant thing |
| 02:40.46 | mutante | mojow: look, now if you literally copy/paste that line .. it already has "filezilla" in most of the first hits, without even saying Filezilla.. good sign that there is a bug and a fix |
| 02:40.48 | mojow | hoped you debian guys would know |
| 02:41.25 | mutante | mojow: strange, if I google ""FATAL ERROR: Received unexpected end-of-file from SFTP server" the first result has filezilla |
| 02:41.56 | mojow | probably because i copied it from filezilla logs |
| 02:41.57 | mutante | mojow: "I seem to be having the same issue. SFTP through Filezilla was working perfectly a couple days ago. Then I updated to a newer version and it is no longer able to connect. " |
| 02:41.58 | sponix | hmm, oddly enough, I didn't have any trouble doing this |
| 02:42.01 | mutante | sounds kind of like you? |
| 02:42.18 | sponix | mojow: would you like my sshd_config dropped on my webserver for your review ? |
| 02:42.46 | mojow | if there's no security risk for you sure |
| 02:42.48 | mutante | oh, look mojow the fix they suggest is that Subsystem line I told you quite some time ago up there |
| 02:43.11 | mutante | see the guy here https://www.digitalocean.com/community/questions/sftp-connection-error-received-unexpected-end-of-file-from-sftp-server |
| 02:43.25 | mutante | talking about the "Subsystem sftp internal-sftp" |
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| 02:44.06 | mutante | it's the same thing like in the tutorial |
| 02:44.34 | sponix | mojow: as you can see I run port 65534 and only change RootPermitBlah to "yes" from "no" --> https://sponix.cf/Downloads/sshd_root_config |
| 02:44.53 | sponix | mojow: I did that, restarted ssh, and Filezilla configured to connect did root just fine |
| 02:45.01 | sponix | made me feel naughty though :P |
| 02:45.11 | mutante | there are more users reporting filezilla broke after they updated f.e. https://forum.filezilla-project.org/viewtopic.php?t=51889 |
| 02:45.15 | mojow | <sponix> looking into it |
| 02:45.34 | sponix | mutante: Oh, is he using a newer version than what Debian provides ? |
| 02:45.50 | mutante | unknown so far |
| 02:46.03 | sponix | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:47.49 | mutante | I did not paste random links, the digitalocean one is specifically that error message with that client and that protocol. good luck |
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| 02:51.46 | sponix | well, I must admit, when I did the root sftp it was to myself from Debian 10 to Debian 10 - No external machine or Windows 10 involved |
| 02:53.00 | mojow | sponix> this is what I have there : #PermitRootLogin prohibit-password |
| 02:53.00 | mojow | PermitRootLogin yes |
| 02:53.16 | mojow | basically commented out original line |
| 02:53.25 | mojow | and added PermitRootLogin yes |
| 02:54.18 | sponix | mojow: YES, onlyo the PermitRootLogin yes -- should be active, as you see in mine |
| 02:54.38 | sponix | other instances of that commented out, make sure it isn't somewhere else in your file over-riding you by accident :P |
| 02:54.53 | sponix | highly recommend doing that with vim :) |
| 02:56.32 | mojow | i use nano, vi is horrible |
| 02:56.43 | mojow | just my opinion |
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| 02:57.29 | sponix | see, the roots of your issues keep unfolding as this conversation continues :P |
| 02:58.59 | ectospasm | nano is fine, but I uninstall it if it gets installed by default. |
| 02:59.49 | sponix | ectospasm: when I type "visudo" and it brings up something in nano -- I throw up in my mouth a little bit -- just saying :P |
| 03:00.08 | sponix | just feels like something got lost in translation for sure |
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| 03:00.26 | mojow | jeez this is not going anywhere |
| 03:00.43 | mojow | maybe if i downgrade to debian 9 ? |
| 03:00.54 | mojow | would that work? |
| 03:01.24 | ectospasm | sponix: I don't know about the regurgitation, but I can't use nano at all. I always exit and `export VISUAL=/usr/bin/vim` |
| 03:01.41 | sponix | mojow: as root.. just mv your current sshd_config to sshd_config.Busted and move mine in.. make sure permissions and ownership on it are correct, and then restart ssh ? |
| 03:01.59 | ectospasm | mojow: seems a bit drastic to downgrade your OS because sftp won't work with your desired client. |
| 03:02.15 | ectospasm | I'd say use a better client. |
| 03:02.26 | sponix | mojow: I would also look for an older version of filezilla like 3.39 to match mine |
| 03:02.31 | ectospasm | CLI sftp should work regardless. |
| 03:02.52 | ectospasm | That's what I'd use, but I eschew GUI clients for most things. |
| 03:02.53 | sponix | ectospasm: True, there are at least a handful of sftp clients. Filezilla is just the one I always use |
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| 03:03.16 | ectospasm | I think even Windows has a CLI client built in now. |
| 03:03.47 | sponix | ectospasm: if not, the "putty" full package likely has it |
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| 03:04.34 | sponix | ectospasm: if he wasn't trying to validate the root thing, I would offer to use my filezilla to connect to him -- BUT, I just refuse to do that as root :P |
| 03:04.40 | ectospasm | True, but I only use PuTTY when I have to. It's the best choice for a lot of my customers. |
| 03:05.10 | mojow | ectospasm> they say above newer debian disabled remote root access |
| 03:05.18 | ectospasm | Yeah, `PermitRootLogin yes` is generally a bad idea. |
| 03:05.52 | mojow | the thing is i set it to PermitRootLogin yes and i still can't login as root |
| 03:05.59 | mojow | how you explain that |
| 03:06.03 | ectospasm | At least set up SSH keys and use `PermitRootLogin without-password` to be safer. That's what I do for a lot of my NAS pulls. |
| 03:06.17 | sponix | ectospasm: for key based auth only |
| 03:06.35 | ectospasm | mojow: is there a debug option in Filezilla? Does it tell you anything? |
| 03:06.40 | ectospasm | I honestly don't know. |
| 03:06.49 | ectospasm | the SSH server might give clues. |
| 03:06.55 | ectospasm | Can you login as a non-root user? |
| 03:06.59 | mojow | going to check if there's any ftp log |
| 03:07.15 | ectospasm | Check /var/log/secure.log |
| 03:07.26 | ectospasm | See if it says anything about root not being allowed. |
| 03:07.38 | ectospasm | Or is it /var/log/auth.log? I can't remember on Debian. |
| 03:08.32 | ectospasm | mojow: you're sure your telling Filezilla to connect on the SFTP port (usually TCP 22)? |
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| 03:09.42 | mojow | the last 10 lines |
| 03:09.43 | mojow | https://pastebin.com/cuy1smGq |
| 03:10.49 | sponix | mojow: that says "proftpd" that is "FTPS" -- NOT SFTP lol |
| 03:11.12 | mojow | ectospasm> filezilla ask protocol, no need to fill port |
| 03:11.26 | ectospasm | Why are you using proftpd? |
| 03:11.27 | mojow | again i can connect just fine as debian |
| 03:11.37 | mojow | it's not a port problem |
| 03:11.50 | mojow | only root fails to login to sftp |
| 03:11.57 | ectospasm | That log is for proftpd, not OpenSSH |
| 03:12.03 | sponix | https://sponix.cf/Downloads/SFTP_root.png |
| 03:12.26 | mojow | hmmm... |
| 03:12.30 | mojow | where are the logs? |
| 03:12.36 | ectospasm | So you have proftpd configured not to allow root logins. Editing /etc/ssh/sshd_config won't do you any good. |
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| 03:12.41 | sponix | you must have ftps selected in the client -- not sftp |
| 03:12.57 | sponix | ectospasm: Yeah, he needs to just "uninstall" proftpd :) |
| 03:13.11 | ectospasm | I wouldn't go that far |
| 03:13.18 | sponix | that stuff is probably running on the SAME Port :) |
| 03:13.31 | ectospasm | sudo ss -plaunt | grep :22 |
| 03:14.25 | ectospasm | The system won't allow more than one service to listen on the standard SSH port. |
| 03:16.10 | mojow | i tried this |
| 03:16.11 | mojow | http://blog.morzproject.com/post/enable-root-in-proftpd/ |
| 03:16.14 | mojow | no good |
| 03:16.17 | ectospasm | I got work to do. I'll be back in a few. |
| 03:16.30 | ectospasm | mojow: do you have a requirement to use proftpd? |
| 03:16.46 | ectospasm | bbl |
| 03:17.16 | mojow | ectospasm> is just part of my package |
| 03:17.26 | mojow | (virtualmin) |
| 03:17.29 | sponix | mojow: you need to move ssh to another port, or proftpd -- or both |
| 03:18.17 | mojow | what is proftpd is unrelated |
| 03:18.32 | mojow | you told me ftp sftp different things |
| 03:18.41 | sponix | ports are not different things |
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| 03:19.08 | sponix | you can only have one thing per port ..... proftpd right now is answering for 22 as ftps, blocking ssh from using 22 for sftp |
| 03:19.08 | mojow | pretty sure proftpd is ftp only |
| 03:19.20 | mojow | and sftp is ssh related |
| 03:19.44 | mojow | so proftpd would be unrelated |
| 03:19.46 | sponix | leave proftpd alone and change the port in sshd_config then |
| 03:19.52 | mojow | where are the ssh logs? |
| 03:20.01 | sponix | wait one |
| 03:20.02 | mojow | in var logs no ssh folder |
| 03:20.37 | mojow | sponix> why change ports? i can sftp login as debian just fine |
| 03:20.52 | mojow | so why change port? |
| 03:21.37 | sponix | I'm done |
| 03:21.41 | sponix | have a nice night/dayo |
| 03:21.58 | mojow | the reason why i want to sftp as root is because i can not browse anything i want as debian |
| 03:22.03 | mutante | amazing, isn't it. "the issue is probably confusion ftp vs sftp" hours ago |
| 03:22.14 | mojow | i want to browse edit everything freely |
| 03:22.19 | mojow | why i set my server |
| 03:23.20 | sponix | sure, YOUR server ... Do as you please. I don't have the energy to argue. If you want to make it work with my help -- do so. If not, go somewhere else |
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| 03:23.42 | mutante | mojow: remove proftpd and everything that came with it. copy his sshd config as he said |
| 03:23.55 | sponix | if you don't understand that you can't have 2 services running on the same port you don't need to call yourself an admin anyway :P |
| 03:24.32 | mojow | proftpd uses port 21 |
| 03:24.44 | mojow | sftp port 22 |
| 03:24.45 | mutante | yea, and you don't want to use port 21. |
| 03:24.48 | sponix | I've already verified that it can be done on my own system |
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| 03:25.08 | sponix | mojow: then you configured Filezilla WRONG if proftpd is answering for SFTP |
| 03:25.12 | mojow | this is a standard configuration |
| 03:25.20 | sponix | your own log just showed that a big ago |
| 03:25.46 | mojow | i posted proftpd logs because i have no other ftp logs |
| 03:26.03 | mojow | like i said i see no ssh log folder |
| 03:26.11 | mojow | i asked 3 times where are the logs |
| 03:26.28 | mojow | dismiss those proftpd logs, they are unrelated |
| 03:27.08 | mojow | *probably some bots trying to access ftp |
| 03:27.11 | sponix | https://serverfault.com/questions/617612/proftpd-with-ftps-openssl |
| 03:27.15 | mutante | look, you literally just pasted that you try to talk to proftp, you don't want to read stuff given to you, you don't want to copy config given to you. now you want to tell us about standard config hours |
| 03:27.29 | mutante | later |
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| 03:27.56 | sponix | mojow: do you need me to ssh in and configure this for you ? |
| 03:27.57 | mutante | why not use the config sponix gave you |
| 03:28.18 | sponix | mutante: because putting ssh on port 65534 would be too secure :) |
| 03:28.25 | sponix | and functional |
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| 03:28.39 | sponix | and avoid conflicts with proftpd also lol |
| 03:28.42 | mutante | or could have listened and just used scp |
| 03:28.51 | mojow | sponix> thank you for the offer (if not sarcastic) but I really don't think proftpd has anything to do with my problem |
| 03:29.04 | edufmass | Hello, I have a notebook with a m2 nvme 480gb disk and a sata ssd 500gb disk, I need help with partition scheme, I searched in google and found a lot of recommendations and I didn't know which one should I use. |
| 03:29.29 | mojow | pretty sure proftpd is for regular ftp only, and not used for sftp |
| 03:29.47 | mojow | i don't want to touch proftpd |
| 03:29.50 | sponix | well, you have fun with that. I have other things to tend to |
| 03:29.58 | mojow | i want to fix my root access with sftp |
| 03:29.59 | mutante | mojow: let me use your own language. your log shows "proftpd". you claim it is unrelated. how do you explain that? |
| 03:30.37 | mutante | also everything before you claimed was unrelated turned out to be .. pretty related |
| 03:30.39 | sponix | whole thing is still a terrible idea anyway. I will sleep better at night with you not making it work :P |
| 03:31.01 | mojow | how rude |
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| 03:31.11 | sponix | mutante: there is a reason this simple task is so difficult, and it isn't the computer or the software ( Its the user ) |
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| 03:31.48 | mojow | ignore those proftpd logs |
| 03:31.55 | mojow | they are unrelated |
| 03:32.02 | sponix | If I want to argue about how to do things. I will go have a conversation with my teenagers :) |
| 03:32.09 | mutante | mojow: 2 people spent 1.5 hours on trying to help you , provided you with all kinds of info and suggested config, tested it for you.. and you call them rude? |
| 03:32.44 | mojow | I'm going back to google |
| 03:32.47 | mojow | bye |
| 03:32.55 | mutante | also you can't ask for help with something and at the same time tell the people who help what the fix is |
| 03:32.55 | mojow | thank for trying |
| 03:35.02 | sponix | mutante: maybe by the time he returns my medicine will take hold :) |
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| 03:40.49 | mutante | sponix: proftpd is never going away i guess :p |
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| 03:48.08 | sponix | mutante: I used it "decades" ago. I just don't think it has any real purpose in 2020 |
| 03:48.52 | mutante | sponix: exactly the same here.. it's literally decades and I also wouldn't get into the config of that anymore |
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| 03:49.54 | sponix | mutante: they are using some pre-made scripted "install everything for me" stuff that put proftpd in place. That is why they are sticking to it |
| 03:50.14 | OneLegend | sftp has a bad rep for being "slow" |
| 03:50.21 | sponix | they have No Idea what that script has done on their system, let alone how to undo it |
| 03:50.32 | mutante | sponix: Plesk ?:) |
| 03:50.40 | mutante | no wait.. "webmin"?:) |
| 03:51.14 | sponix | yeah, it was one of those admin webui things, but I thought they mentioned a script also. maybe not |
| 03:51.26 | mutante | well they were are the same time saying "are you just a noob like me" and "not a noob, know what I'm doing". being a noob is fine, but this guy was both noob and knows it already |
| 03:51.57 | OneLegend | people still using ftp? |
| 03:51.58 | sponix | OneLegend: the overhead of sftp might have been a thing even a decade ago. but everything is ssl/ssh now for a reason. If my Note9 phone can handle sftp just fine, a real computer should do okay also |
| 03:52.21 | mutante | OneLegend: make that "don't know whether it's ftp or sftp" |
| 03:52.39 | sponix | OneLegend: he had proftpd trying to do ftp and ftps it seemed, conflicting with sftp/ssh |
| 03:52.55 | sponix | 98% sure that was the problem |
| 03:52.58 | mutante | he also claimed everything worked as a user called "debian" |
| 03:53.03 | mutante | but not as root |
| 03:53.07 | sponix | couldn't get them to simply move ssh to a different port to know for sure |
| 03:53.34 | sponix | mutante: yeah, that "debian" user could have been ftps or regular ftp for all we know handled by proftpd - not sftp at all |
| 03:53.48 | mutante | maybe it's proftp with some sftp plugin ?:) |
| 03:54.32 | mutante | or he just had the wrong port in filezilla |
| 03:54.41 | OneLegend | ftp is not very firewall friendly |
| 03:54.45 | mutante | and he was right about this being a simple problem and us making it complicated. lol |
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| 03:55.48 | mutante | he upgraded something that made it stop working. in hindsight it wasnt clear if that upgrade was his Debian, or Filezilla |
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| 03:58.25 | FrostFeline | If you want firewall friendly just use passive mode? |
| 03:58.47 | OneLegend | what's that? |
| 03:59.45 | mutante | OneLegend: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ZPsuvXdPs6M/UB0GDwOdmnI/AAAAAAAAAK8/zz2WwyiRxWI/s640/ftp_con.gif |
| 03:59.58 | petn-randall | OneLegend: ftp has an active and a passive mode. It's explained on wikipedia. |
| 04:00.11 | FrostFeline | Itâs a mode on the FTP server where all connections are initiated from the client side |
| 04:00.56 | FrostFeline | OneLegend: active is the older mode from when every device had its own public IP address |
| 04:01.56 | mutante | imagine he would just use ssfs to mount the damn thing as root |
| 04:01.59 | mutante | sshfs |
| 04:02.10 | mutante | since he wants everything and as root so badly |
| 04:02.50 | mutante | how convenient compared to Filezilla that could be |
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| 04:03.46 | sponix | mutante: I actually have never used sshfs ;) |
| 04:04.13 | sponix | mutante: and I was getting the feeling the Filezilla client was on Windows - Never was verified though |
| 04:05.01 | mutante | sponix: if it's Windows then he should install WinSCP and be happy with it. it's the same thing and it would have just worked since sshd was up.. but he did not believe me |
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| 04:05.55 | mutante | files on the left, files on the right and you drag them over.. just like he is used to from ftp |
| 04:06.03 | FrostFeline | Thereâs many options for this |
| 04:06.05 | sponix | mutante: I missed that portion of the conversation |
| 04:06.14 | mutante | I don't get why there are so many who still want an additional ftpd.. it's so common |
| 04:06.27 | sponix | mutante: you can't help those who won't actually accept it though |
| 04:06.27 | mutante | sponix: that was like the first 5 min :p |
| 04:07.14 | FrostFeline | Heâs probably dealing with a situation where you canât install extra software? |
| 04:08.18 | mutante | He was in this mood "i just want the simple answer to my simple question, how do I enable root login, why are these guys argueing about using root@ in the first place and all this other crap" |
| 04:08.35 | mutante | which I admit can happen if you have a question and you get the "but actually" |
| 04:08.53 | mutante | but then he also really did not even want to read the links or try the config .. so ..shrug |
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| 04:29.20 | alex11 | can you resize an image in virt-manager after you've already installed an os in it? |
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| 04:35.20 | jmcnaught | alex11: are you using qcow2 images? |
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| 04:37.21 | alex11 | i don't know |
| 04:38.08 | alex11 | they're .iso to begin with if that's what you're asking |
| 04:39.02 | jmcnaught | alex11: open the details for a VM, click on its virtual storage, what is the source path? |
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| 04:39.25 | alex11 | i don't have any set up at the moment, i'll look at it later |
| 04:40.13 | jmcnaught | alex11: the default image type used by virt-manager is qcow2, which can you manipulate with qemu-img(1) which has a resize command. |
| 04:40.38 | alex11 | ok, i'll keep it in mind |
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| 06:41.42 | arahael | I've downloaded the arm64 netinst image but it doesn't appear to be installable in parallels - is this a known issue, by chance? (I've already sent feedback to parallels about this) |
| 06:42.34 | arahael | (And yes, on an arm64 system - Apple M1) |
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| 07:03.35 | mulot | parallels on Andoid? it can run debian? |
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| 07:10.31 | arahael | mulot: Android? No, I don't think so. |
| 07:11.17 | mulot | well thank you arahael ! |
| 07:11.59 | arahael | mulot: Well, I recall seeing a bunch of "chroots" that can do it... But I haven't really looked... |
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| 07:21.55 | iamchroot | compatibility = good luck...one second |
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| 07:24.00 | iamchroot | sorry, its buried. lineageOS might be a start |
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| 08:05.18 | Lope | is there some sort of service for pulseaudio? |
| 08:05.37 | Lope | I want to disable pulseaudio so that it only starts up after my network initialization script has finished. |
| 08:05.56 | Lope | Because I think I'm having a race condition with pulseaudio and the network initialization. |
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| 08:06.52 | Lope | Running x2go. Sometimes the session freezes for about a minute, then shows a pulseaudio connection error. Then freezes some more. Then the session works perfectly, smooth and fast and audio works. |
| 08:06.59 | Lope | I can't reproduce the issue reliably. |
| 08:07.12 | Lope | Which makes me think it's a race condition relating to my network initialization. |
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| 08:07.42 | Lope | If I can disable pulseaudio then enable it after my network stuff, that would be great. |
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| 08:08.05 | Lope | But I don't see a pulseaudio service. I only sound.target, alsa-state and alsa-restore |
| 08:08.17 | Lope | I'm a complete noob when it comes to pulseaudio services. |
| 08:08.31 | Lope | Running buster with KDE plasma |
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| 08:21.37 | arahael | Interestingly, it seems Fedora works in parallels for M1. |
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| 09:42.58 | daregap | Hello. Suppose you have a linux setup where the HDD (rootfs) is encrypted with LUKS, what is the correct way to migrate that system from a HDD to a SSD of the same size? |
| 09:43.20 | daregap | Should I just do an image copy like dd if=/dev/disk1 of=/dev/disk2 ? |
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| 09:44.30 | mrkramps | daregap, id' recommends using clonezilla |
| 09:45.17 | mrkramps | daregap, a simple dd of the whole disk will get the partition alignment wrong |
| 09:46.01 | daregap | How so? Both disks have the same number of sectors (I checked) |
| 09:47.40 | mrkramps | daregap, disk geometry of hdd and ssd differs |
| 09:48.16 | daregap | hmm, how about I recreate the GUID on the SSD and then copy each partition individually? |
| 09:48.28 | mrkramps | daregap, that's what clonezilla is doing |
| 09:49.04 | mrkramps | clonezille uses partclone on each partition, creates a new parition table on the ssd and dds the mbr |
| 09:49.21 | mrkramps | you can do all this manually if you like |
| 09:49.43 | b1ackandwh1te | not much time ago I was paranoid about encryption. wnhen came later that was enough to me do safe passwords. |
| 09:50.02 | daregap | I see. Actually, there was another reason I'm asking: TRIM. Like, if I use dd to do the copy of the encrypted data, will the SSD firmware assume that all blocks are in use, despite being technically empty? |
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| 09:51.03 | daregap | (I am aware of the security tradeoffs about TRIM) |
| 09:51.24 | mrkramps | daregap, afaik there should be not problem |
| 09:51.40 | mrkramps | but i'd check myself because i am far from sure about it |
| 09:52.33 | daregap | cause an alternative would be to create another LUKS container ontop of an empty partition, format it EXT4 and then rsync all the files from the old partition to the new one |
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| 09:54.23 | mojow | hello guys |
| 09:54.30 | mojow | me again |
| 09:54.40 | mojow | fixed my root problem |
| 09:55.03 | mojow | since you tried to help, i can tell you how if you want |
| 09:55.14 | mojow | mutante> |
| 09:55.20 | mojow | sponix> |
| 09:55.54 | mojow | ectospasm> |
| 09:56.32 | mojow | but if you don't care that's ok |
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| 09:58.39 | mrkramps | daregap, to deal with non-empty empty blocks on the ssd the first trim after clone should actually deal with it |
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| 09:59.47 | daregap | Wait, how does TRIM actually work? Does it signal to the SSD only the sectors that were freed or does it signal all sectors that are free? |
| 10:00.16 | daregap | Because if the case is the second one then I'd understand what you're saying |
| 10:00.30 | b1ackandwh1te | I have to live now with 256G ssd and nothing more. movies now only in streaming. |
| 10:00.58 | mojow | b1ackandwh1te> is it debian related? |
| 10:01.18 | mojow | the fix would be to get a job maybe |
| 10:01.32 | mojow | no offense intended |
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| 10:02.37 | mrkramps | daregap, afaik trim is invoked by file system and your file system should know is a sector is free or not |
| 10:02.40 | b1ackandwh1te | mojow, the fact is that I wont onpen my new notebook. I can have an ssd larger. |
| 10:03.12 | daregap | mrkramps: yeah, the file system knows, but the disk firmware doesn't |
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| 10:03.45 | daregap | so the question is does it invoke on all free space or just the file that is deleted |
| 10:03.47 | mojow | b1ackandwh1te> good luck guy |
| 10:04.01 | daregap | or rather the sectors used by that file |
| 10:04.20 | daregap | let's see, if the wiki says anything about it |
| 10:04.22 | mojow | i know what it is to lose your job |
| 10:04.46 | mojow | lost a good job, then found another where i got paid 3X more |
| 10:05.17 | mojow | but this is offtopic maybe |
| 10:05.40 | mojow | better use #debian-offtopic |
| 10:06.16 | daregap | "For a file deletion operation, the operating system will mark the file's sectors as free for new data, then send a TRIM command to the SSD. After trimming, the SSD will not preserve any contents of the block when writing new data to a page of flash memory, resulting in less write amplification (fewer writes), higher write throughput (no need for a read-erase-modify sequence), thus increasing drive |
| 10:06.17 | daregap | life." |
| 10:07.20 | mojow | in fact i didn't really find another job |
| 10:07.24 | mojow | i was an official |
| 10:07.31 | mojow | now i am independant |
| 10:07.40 | mojow | that why i make so much more |
| 10:12.37 | mrkramps | daregap, is it your first SSD? |
| 10:12.58 | daregap | yeah |
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| 10:16.08 | mrkramps | daregap, don't be too paranoid. reading about how it works and if there are problems is always good, but in general SSDs work on linux for nearly a decade now |
| 10:18.25 | mrkramps | especially be careful about when the information was published, because a lot of it is just deprecated and some just wrong |
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| 10:19.10 | daregap | Yeah, I have a habbit to learn how things work before utilizing them |
| 10:19.43 | mrkramps | daregap, and I can only encourage this habbit |
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| 10:21.05 | daregap | I think my best bet is to recreate the partition, the LUKS container and the filesystem inside and then only copy the files. Better than the full 1:1 copy. |
| 10:23.11 | mrkramps | i you know how that works that's definitely the way you have most control iver the process |
| 10:23.35 | mrkramps | s/i/if/ && s/iver/over/ -.- |
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| 10:29.33 | mrkramps | daregap, btw i just checked, partclone only backs up/restores used blocks. just for the sake of completeness :) |
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| 11:23.30 | Eryn_1983_FL | hi peeps |
| 11:23.33 | Eryn_1983_FL | can you hear me |
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| 12:17.05 | tarzeau | say i have a database textfile match result, and i want to get "How do i match that?" grep find that result line, it i'm using this all in a case) esac thing... |
| 12:17.44 | tarzeau | maybe it's easier if you have the shell script http://bootes.ethz.ch/chatbot/autoexec.bat |
| 12:17.55 | tarzeau | i don't mind replacing grep with something else, maybe fzf or whatever |
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| 12:24.49 | mojow | hmmm i'm running rsynch in debian remotely with ssh |
| 12:25.20 | mojow | will rsynch do the full job even if I close my console? |
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| 12:33.16 | hemimaniac | mojow: if you sent it to background yes it will |
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| 12:35.22 | hemimaniac | if it a large job you could in that term Ctrl+z to pause it then bg it |
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| 12:38.33 | mojow | hemimaniac never did that before |
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| 12:38.53 | mojow | "send to background"? what does it mean |
| 12:39.44 | hemimaniac | the command runs in the background like it was detached in screen |
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| 12:42.34 | mojow | hemimaniac> ok and how do i send it bg it after ctr+z ? |
| 12:44.43 | hemimaniac | bg then enter command |
| 12:45.29 | mojow | thank sorry for stupid question, i just googled it, took 10 sec |
| 12:45.38 | hemimaniac | then to inquire, fg will bring it back to the foreground |
| 12:45.46 | mojow | alright then i try that |
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| 12:46.12 | mojow | hmmm |
| 12:46.19 | hemimaniac | also in the future you could look at screen, witch is a nice touch |
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| 12:46.33 | mojow | i see no difference in the console |
| 12:46.53 | mojow | still showing file copy in real time |
| 12:46.59 | hemimaniac | well ya, but now you can close it out |
| 12:47.03 | mojow | i used verbose option |
| 12:47.09 | mojow | ok |
| 12:47.14 | mojow | then it's all good |
| 12:47.21 | hemimaniac | yep |
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| 12:49.00 | mojow | hemimaniac> thanks a lot for the tip |
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| 12:49.08 | mojow | super helpful |
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| 12:52.11 | mojow | i'm a windows users and tbh I had no idea about those bg and fg in linux. windows has no such feature. what difference does it make? |
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| 12:53.12 | mojow | seems like the difference is occupying terminal or not |
| 12:53.42 | mojow | but in my case i still can't use terminal anyway because of the verbose option? weird... |
| 12:55.14 | hemimaniac | well you could also use <command> & but if you used $bg <enter> then <command> you can close the terminal |
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| 12:56.37 | hemimaniac | and for windblows I believe it is 'start /b <command>' |
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| 13:03.38 | mojow | back |
| 13:03.46 | mojow | i got disconnected sorry |
| 13:03.59 | mojow | last line I see is |
| 13:04.05 | mojow | hemimaniac> well you could also use <command> & but if you used $bg <enter> |
| 13:04.17 | mojow | what I feared happened |
| 13:04.30 | mojow | now let's see if the process got interrupted |
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| 13:06.27 | mojow | <hemimaniac> yes |
| 13:06.34 | mojow | it's still running |
| 13:06.45 | mojow | *thunbsups* |
| 13:07.02 | hemimaniac | great |
| 13:07.11 | hemimaniac | and fyi |
| 13:07.16 | hemimaniac | and for windblows I believe it is 'start /b <command>' |
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| 13:08.19 | mojow | but windows is windows nobody uses it for cli |
| 13:08.52 | mojow | anyway i got no problem with windows haters |
| 13:08.57 | mojow | i hate it too |
| 13:09.08 | mojow | it's basically a giant spyware |
| 13:09.17 | mojow | everyone knows but we still use it |
| 13:09.25 | mojow | because we have no alternative |
| 13:09.30 | mojow | especially gamers |
| 13:09.54 | hemimaniac | well this sort of thing should prolly move to #debian-offtopic as it isn't support related now |
| 13:10.05 | mojow | sure thing |
| 13:10.42 | mojow | my bad |
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| 13:59.51 | Knaldgas | Setting up postfix and dovecot with virtual users. Any reason to create vmail user and group since debian already has mail user and group? or do mail and vmail have different purposes? |
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| 14:37.57 | Karou | yo |
| 14:38.12 | Karou | I'm trying to fix an iptable rule |
| 14:38.21 | Karou | anyone know much about em? |
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| 14:39.41 | mojow | hemimaniac> turns out the task got interrupted after a while... *sigh* |
| 14:40.09 | Karou | heres the setup, my router tunnels to my vpn with an iptable rule dropping connections over the local net, i need some other network traffic on certain ports to be routed not through the router as well, and to a certain ip range |
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| 14:49.12 | quadrathoch2 | Karou so? whats there to fix |
| 14:49.40 | Karou | basically i want any connections over port 5000-5500 to not go through the tunnel |
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| 14:50.36 | quadrathoch2 | Karou do you have any paste? as we can't read your screen. so we have no idea what rules you have |
| 14:50.53 | Karou | my only rule atm is this |
| 14:50.58 | Karou | iptables -I FORWARD ! -o tun1 -m iprange --src-range 192.168.1.100-192.168.1.150 -j DROP |
| 14:51.18 | Karou | the only one i've set |
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| 14:52.50 | velix | Stupid question, which packages does "/etc/inputrc" come from? |
| 14:53.33 | quadrathoch2 | ,file inputrc |
| 14:53.39 | judd | Search for inputrc in buster/amd64: im-config: etc/X11/xinit/xinputrc; readline-common: usr/share/readline/inputrc; liblambda-term-ocaml-dev: usr/share/doc/liblambda-term-ocaml-dev/lambda-term-inputrc; libreadline7: usr/share/doc/libreadline7/examples/Inputrc; libreadline5: usr/share/doc/libreadline5/examples/Inputrc; pari-gp: usr/share/doc/pari-gp/examples/Inputrc; xiterm+thai: |
| 14:53.40 | judd | usr/share/doc/xiterm+thai/examples/inputrc; yafc: usr/share/doc/yafc/examples/inputrc; emacspeak: usr/share/doc/emacspeak/examples/stumpwm/xinputrc; libreadline-java-doc: usr/share/doc/libreadline-java/examples/test/tinputrc; octave-common: usr/share/octave/4.4.1/m/startup/inputrc |
| 14:53.54 | velix | quadrathoch2: Tried that already, no result. |
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| 14:56.01 | velix | really crazy... |
| 14:56.07 | velix | Maybe I set a trigger on it |
| 14:57.38 | velix | ah, readline-common creates it! |
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| 14:59.06 | velix | Seems like "file" isn't accurate here. |
| 14:59.41 | Karou | iptables -I FORWARD -o br0 -p udp iprange --dst-range 104.160.128.0-104.160.159.255 --ports 5000:5500 is what i want i think |
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| 15:00.37 | rr123 | top command for VIRT showed 20.0t, what does 't' mean here |
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| 15:20.24 | ice9 | sometimes during disk IO operations like when upgrading packages, the whole system freezes for many seconds; this is something new that didn't happen before; what could be the issue? |
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| 15:35.08 | velix | What's the standard "dialog" on debian? whiptail? dialog? |
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| 15:39.53 | velix | Hmm... seems like I'm asking at the wrong time of day. 1181 people are idling :D |
| 15:42.32 | Fox | whiptail I guess |
| 15:43.01 | velix | Fox: Oh, I thought Debian likes ncurses. |
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| 15:59.13 | Release_ | hey there i was wondering if its possible to install libmaxminddb manually (from source) in an old distro (debian 8 jessie) it seems no matter what i try i cant seem to be able to install it from source |
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| 15:59.45 | Release_ | from what i understood the package isnt available in the distro since its new package |
| 16:01.18 | Release_ | package is libmaxminddb-dev not libmaxminddb (same thing tho) |
| 16:01.56 | Release_ | anyway for me to get that package into this old distro version |
| 16:02.29 | Release_ | thanks in advance |
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| 16:02.43 | Brigo | ,v libmaxminddb-dev |
| 16:02.44 | judd | Package: libmaxminddb-dev on amd64 -- stretch: 1.2.0-1+b1; buster: 1.3.2-1; bullseye: 1.4.3-2; sid: 1.4.3-2 |
| 16:03.12 | Brigo | Release_, your best bet is a backport |
| 16:03.21 | grumble | hi, where can I obtain the source code of the windows setup program (setup.exe on debian installer DVDs)? |
| 16:03.22 | Release_ | oh euhm |
| 16:03.25 | Release_ | im a noob really |
| 16:03.44 | Release_ | any tut for that Brigo |
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| 16:04.02 | Brigo | Release_, yes, https://wiki.debian.org/SimpleBackportCreation |
| 16:04.17 | Release_ | thanx will look into that and give it a try |
| 16:04.21 | Release_ | thanx Brigo |
| 16:04.55 | Brigo | Release_, is it no available in jessie? |
| 16:05.19 | Release_ | from what i could tell it wasnt availabe for that version Brigo |
| 16:05.24 | Release_ | unless im mistaken |
| 16:05.50 | Brigo | Release_, are you getting the debian packages from archive.debian.org? |
| 16:06.07 | Release_ | im using the package manager really |
| 16:06.15 | Release_ | im no expert by no means |
| 16:06.35 | Release_ | trying to do minimal changes |
| 16:06.42 | Release_ | and change only things i understand |
| 16:06.57 | Release_ | and yes indeed i know i should have upgraded ages ago |
| 16:07.05 | Release_ | and stay up to date |
| 16:07.33 | Brigo | Release_, could you paste /etc/apt/sources.list in a paste server? |
| 16:07.35 | Release_ | i was afraid it would mess with the things i currently use and/or lose current installed software |
| 16:07.44 | Release_ | sure |
| 16:09.03 | Release_ | deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ jessie main |
| 16:09.03 | Release_ | deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main |
| 16:09.28 | Release_ | thats what i have there |
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| 16:10.19 | Release_ | unless thats not what u asked |
| 16:10.23 | longshot | Is there a list of source packages somewhere? |
| 16:10.36 | Release_ | thats all i can see in that file |
| 16:10.42 | Release_ | the 2 lines |
| 16:10.56 | Brigo | Release_, ok, then backport it and good luck :) |
| 16:11.09 | Release_ | thanks Brigo :D |
| 16:11.11 | gnat_x | Release_: update! |
| 16:11.12 | longshot | The list here seems to be just the binary packages: https://packages.debian.org/stable/ |
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| 16:11.35 | gnat_x | Release_: don't waste the time backporting if you're just worried about the upgrade process. |
| 16:11.46 | Release_ | hm ok |
| 16:13.15 | gnat_x | Release_: you are running software with known vulnerabilities/ |
| 16:13.19 | gnat_x | Release_: https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
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| 16:13.49 | Release_ | hm ok |
| 16:13.56 | gnat_x | Release_: also, stretch isn't going to be "oldstable" for that much longer, which will make upgrading even harder ~6 months from now. |
| 16:14.21 | gnat_x | Release_: is there something in particular that you are worried about breaking? |
| 16:14.41 | Release_ | losing all i have installed atm |
| 16:14.46 | Release_ | software |
| 16:15.24 | Release_ | it isnt that much really i guess i could backup it all somewhere and go ahead with the upgrade |
| 16:15.30 | gnat_x | Release_: if it is installed with package manager it will upgrade along with it. |
| 16:15.48 | Release_ | but wont that format the HD |
| 16:15.59 | Release_ | and erase all old software ? |
| 16:16.03 | gnat_x | Release_: that's the whole point of the debian model, reliable upgrades. |
| 16:16.12 | gnat_x | or at least a huge part of it |
| 16:16.17 | Release_ | hm ok |
| 16:16.19 | gnat_x | "the whole point" is a bit much. |
| 16:16.37 | gnat_x | Release_: no. there's no hard drive format. |
| 16:16.40 | Release_ | any tut for proper upgrade method |
| 16:16.44 | Release_ | the proper way |
| 16:16.57 | gnat_x | Release_: I just gave it to you. |
| 16:17.12 | gnat_x | Release_: that's the official one. |
| 16:17.20 | Release_ | oh ok sorry bout that |
| 16:17.37 | Release_ | will look into it this week hopefully |
| 16:17.41 | gnat_x | Release_: the other advice is to upgrade one version at a time. so jessie->stretch->buster. |
| 16:17.59 | Release_ | ah ok good to add that |
| 16:18.05 | Release_ | that seems important |
| 16:18.09 | gnat_x | Release_: skipping stretch is neither advised or supported. |
| 16:18.41 | Release_ | does it take a long time ? |
| 16:18.49 | Release_ | the whole process |
| 16:19.05 | gnat_x | Release_: depends on your internet connection and hardware. |
| 16:19.22 | gnat_x | Release_: i did an upgrade on a laptop the other day, and it was inside of three hours. |
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| 16:19.28 | Release_ | ah ok |
| 16:19.32 | Release_ | thanks |
| 16:19.35 | gnat_x | and that machine is ~5 years old now. |
| 16:19.36 | Release_ | i guess im ok |
| 16:19.46 | Release_ | laptop im using is kinda basic but ok |
| 16:19.52 | gnat_x | so is this. |
| 16:19.53 | Release_ | mine is older |
| 16:20.01 | gnat_x | you should be fine. |
| 16:20.07 | Release_ | thanks for all the info gnat_x |
| 16:20.15 | Release_ | and others |
| 16:20.20 | Release_ | much apreciates |
| 16:20.23 | Release_ | much apreciated |
| 16:20.24 | gnat_x | it will go faster if you let the computer do as little else as possible during the upgrade. |
| 16:20.31 | Release_ | yep |
| 16:20.32 | gnat_x | like don't run firefox at the same time. |
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| 16:20.44 | Release_ | i usually take that aproach as well |
| 16:20.51 | Release_ | if its massive changes |
| 16:20.54 | Release_ | i run only that |
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| 16:21.25 | gnat_x | Release_: yeah, it is a "use a different computer, read a book, make a meal and check in" kind of thing. |
| 16:21.30 | gnat_x | at least for me. |
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| 16:22.45 | Release_ | i do the same thing |
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| 16:39.42 | velix | Is there something like "virtualenv" for normal shell? Of course not chroot ;) |
| 16:40.46 | koollman | what would it do ? |
| 16:40.59 | ansimita | velix: maybe https://github.com/direnv/direnv ? |
| 16:41.05 | velix | Install stuff and "rollback". like transactions in PostgreSQL ;) |
| 16:41.10 | koollman | the closest I can think of is 'modules' |
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| 16:41.19 | velix | begin; apt install stuff; rollback; |
| 16:41.33 | koollman | velix: virtualenv doesn't allow rollbacks :) |
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| 16:41.44 | velix | yeah, but you can simply remove it ;9 |
| 16:41.51 | koollman | so ... chroot :) |
| 16:41.54 | koollman | debootstrap |
| 16:42.11 | koollman | (or some limited PATH thing, I supopse, would work) |
| 16:42.13 | velix | chroot needs to be set up from scratch. You cannot share installed libraries, like in virtualenv. |
| 16:42.30 | velix | koollman: I'll have a look at direnv, thanks |
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| 16:45.32 | ansimita | velix: u might need to go all the way to nix https://nixos.org/guides/ad-hoc-developer-environments.html |
| 16:45.58 | velix | ansimita: Thanks, I'll have a look |
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| 17:00.07 | velix | Once a locale has been generated, where is it stored at? |
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| 17:01.22 | ansimita | velix: /etc/default/locale and /etc/locale.gen according to https://wiki.debian.org/Locale |
| 17:01.23 | tomreyn | velix: do you know man pages? they can often answer such questions. |
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| 17:01.45 | velix | tomreyn: it couldn't. |
| 17:01.58 | velix | ansimita: Nope, /etc/default is just a config file |
| 17:02.06 | velix | same as /etc/locale.gen |
| 17:02.15 | velix | But okay, I'll find it out on my own ;) |
| 17:02.26 | ansimita | velix: oops, (in older versions of Debian) |
| 17:02.32 | ansimita | velix: good luck! |
| 17:03.13 | velix | ansimita: No problem. Debian is a bunch of crazy old cascaded scripts. At the end, it just sets a link somewhere :D |
| 17:05.27 | tomreyn | velix: https://manpages.debian.org/buster/manpages/locale.1.en.html FILES -> /usr/lib/locale/locale-archive -> Usual default locale archive location. |
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| 17:06.06 | velix | tomreyn: I've been there, but there's "C.UTF-8" only. But I've generated de_DE.UTF-8 and I'm using it. |
| 17:06.30 | velix | tomreyn: They why I got curious where it lives ;) |
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| 17:07.54 | tomreyn | i'm not actually certain, but i assume it goes into the archive. |
| 17:08.04 | velix | aaaaaaaah, it's baked into this file! |
| 17:08.11 | velix | It's no standand alone directory. |
| 17:08.14 | velix | ahhhhhh |
| 17:08.16 | velix | tomreyn: Thanks |
| 17:08.44 | tomreyn | that's what the man page says anywas |
| 17:08.48 | tomreyn | you're welcome |
| 17:08.54 | velix | "locale -v -a" did it |
| 17:08.58 | velix | locale: de_DE.utf8 archive: /usr/lib/locale/locale-archive |
| 17:09.02 | velix | locale: C.UTF-8 directory: /usr/lib/locale/C.UTF-8 |
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| 17:09.16 | velix | So C.UTF-8 has its own directory, while de_DE lives in the archive. Crazy. |
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| 17:12.29 | velix | Nice. It's portable! So I can copy locale-archive onto another system and have de_DE directly activated (after setting LANG). Now that's nice. |
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| 17:18.40 | velix | Yeah, just tried it. That's really nice. |
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| 17:46.06 | gribouille | hi |
| 17:47.20 | gribouille | I have "kvm: disabled by bios" in /var/log/kern.log, but lscpu says: Virtualization: VT-x; what does that mean? |
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| 17:48.57 | LtL | gribouille: it only means your cpu is capable of virtualization. |
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| 17:49.25 | gribouille | how can I know if virtualization is enabled? |
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| 17:51.01 | LtL | gribouille: did you install qemu, libvirt, or similar? its not |
| 17:51.28 | gribouille | LtL, of course |
| 17:52.06 | LtL | gribouille: of course what? you did, or did not? |
| 17:52.27 | gribouille | LtL, I installed qemu |
| 17:52.48 | LtL | if kvm is disabled in BIOS, I doubt qemu would work |
| 17:53.14 | gribouille | I checked in the bios. it says : Intel Virtualization Technology (VTx) : enabled and Intel IO Virtualization : disabled |
| 17:53.42 | tomreyn | you probably want vt-d as well, though |
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| 17:54.09 | gribouille | tomreyn, but does it work without? |
| 17:54.50 | tomreyn | qemu can run without vt-d, yes. kvm, i'm not sure. |
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| 17:56.11 | gribouille | ok, let me try |
| 17:56.58 | rudi_s | KVM works without with vt-d, it just needs VT-X for good performance. |
| 17:57.00 | tomreyn | virt-host-validate is a utility available in libvirt-clients, whbich checks readyness for qemu |
| 17:57.06 | rudi_s | *works without vt-d |
| 17:58.00 | tomreyn | kvm-ok is a utility available in cpu-checker, which checks readyness for kvm |
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| 18:47.46 | jack2019 | Hi, mouse moves slowly from top to bottom with out any reason.... |
| 18:48.57 | jack2019 | 4.19.160-2 |
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| 18:51.17 | nkuttler | jack2019: laptop? physical mouse? connected how? |
| 18:51.46 | jack2019 | laptop by usb |
| 18:56.49 | jack2019 | in cat /etc/input/mice |
| 18:57.25 | jack2019 | : ((((((?(((((((?....continue |
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| 18:59.15 | jack2019 | I will change the keyboard to an old one. meaby is keyboard problem...I am not sure |
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| 19:10.07 | jack2019 | nkuttler? |
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| 19:12.29 | jack2019 | nkuttler: thank you, the probllem is in keyboard, some pins (missing) are not connected to motherboard. |
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| 19:24.47 | sponix2ipfw | anyone use "cockpit" ? |
| 19:24.56 | sponix2ipfw | ,v cockpit |
| 19:24.57 | judd | Package: cockpit on amd64 -- stretch-backports: 188-1~bpo9+1; buster: 188-1; buster-backports: 229-1~bpo10+1; bullseye: 233-1; sid: 234-1 |
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| 20:18.43 | gribouille | hi |
| 20:20.11 | gribouille | I'm trying to create a grub rescue disk (grub-mkrescue -o grub.iso /boot/grub/), but when I run grub.iso under qemu, I don't get the normal grub menu |
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| 20:31.47 | oxek | is there any issue with the resolvconf package? Meaning is it still ok to use it? I am asking because there are lots of other tools that are not supposed to be used, like ifconfig, iwconfig, and other network tools. |
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| 20:33.13 | apollo13 | I mean depending on what you use, you might not need it :) |
| 20:33.26 | apollo13 | it is not deprecated afaik |
| 20:34.31 | oxek | I need it because wireguard needs it to set DNS |
| 20:34.47 | oxek | I see there's openresolv in the repos too, and it too provides /sbin/resolvconf |
| 20:35.42 | apollo13 | wireguard needs it? that would be news, maybe wg-quick or another wrapper script |
| 20:35.50 | apollo13 | but I don't think wireguard can be bothered with dns |
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| 20:37.26 | oxek | yeah, wg-quick |
| 20:37.58 | oxek | I know DNS on linux is an absolute mess with 10s of ways of doing it |
| 20:38.48 | apollo13 | fwiw you do not need resolvconf for that |
| 20:39.03 | apollo13 | for instance on my box resolveconf is linked to resolvectl |
| 20:39.24 | apollo13 | because I have systemd-resolved running |
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| 20:40.03 | oxek | that's exactly what I had, and it did not work |
| 20:40.22 | oxek | I had a link in /usr/local/bin/resolvconf that linked to the resolvectl, and it was not working with wireguard |
| 20:40.36 | oxek | it silently failed, and DNS was not set |
| 20:40.49 | apollo13 | I have /usr/sbin/resolvconf linking to ../bin/resolvectl |
| 20:41.06 | oxek | so I removed that link and am looking for alternative, which appears to be resolvconf, but resolvconf itself appears to have a different implementation called openresolv |
| 20:41.09 | oxek | it's a mess really |
| 20:41.12 | apollo13 | I mean resolvectl doesn't mimic resolveconf 100% so ⦠|
| 20:41.23 | oxek | yeah, in my case it did not |
| 20:41.48 | oxek | looks like resolvconf is a debian project, so I'll try that first |
| 20:41.51 | oxek | wish me luck |
| 20:42.11 | apollo13 | well I am not using wg-quick either so⦠|
| 20:42.24 | apollo13 | systemd-networkd has good enough support for wireguard :) |
| 20:42.33 | oxek | I'm using a script from VPN provider that internally calls wg-quick |
| 20:42.40 | apollo13 | makes sense |
| 20:43.15 | oxek | unfortunately this script generates a new wg.conf file in /etc/wireguard/ on each invocation, so I cannot use the systemd way |
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| 20:48.43 | taman | oxek, case it helps, it's possible to use wireguard without resolvconf and with ifupdown, at least it seems to work for me. |
| 20:48.47 | converge | when I do arecord -l to list audio devices, should my bluetooth headphone be listed there? |
| 20:49.09 | apollo13 | yeah without resolvconf it simply won't change DNS I guess |
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| 20:51.01 | taman | Yes, it makes the same dns queries as before, just over the vpn now, so far as I can tell. |
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| 20:54.04 | oxek | taman: I'd need to use the preup/postdown scripts somehow, but that would make a mess because the VPN provider creates the config file |
| 20:54.26 | oxek | I'm testing resolvconf now |
| 20:54.43 | apollo13 | does the VPN provider change ip and/or key everytime? |
| 20:55.05 | solrize | not sure if #debian is the right place to mention this instead of #openssl but i notice i can't connect to apple.new:443 with openssl's default CA store in debian 10. it uses apple's CA cert which is signed by geotrust and which is recognized by firefox, so openssl and firefox are out of sync. i haven't checked whether geotrust is recognized, whether the proper signing OIDs are there, etc. |
| 20:55.14 | taman | That seems a bit weird, changing the conf every time. Why complicate it? |
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| 20:56.10 | GNU\colossus | solrize, ftr, apple.new doesn't even resolve for me.. |
| 20:56.19 | GNU\colossus | (is that a valid gTLD?) |
| 20:57.11 | oxek | apollo13: yes, changes IP, ports and keys every time |
| 20:57.20 | oxek | hence can't keep a static .conf file |
| 20:57.37 | apollo13 | GNU\colossus: everything nowadays is a valid TLD if you pay enough ;) |
| 20:57.43 | apollo13 | (some rules still apply, butâ¦) |
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| 20:58.07 | GNU\colossus | apollo13, I know, but maybe for .new, noone yet has |
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| 21:02.52 | apollo13 | GNU\colossus: https://icannwiki.org/.new looks like google has it |
| 21:03.27 | mutante | https://wiki.new works for me |
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| 21:03.41 | mutante | redirects to some hosting site it seems |
| 21:04.42 | oxek | ok, resolvconf does not work, the DNS server disappers from it after a while |
| 21:04.56 | oxek | trying openresolv |
| 21:05.06 | apollo13 | disappears after a while? |
| 21:05.12 | oxek | yeah |
| 21:05.26 | apollo13 | that sounds as if you have another system running that tries to manage it |
| 21:05.32 | apollo13 | like network manager or so |
| 21:05.33 | oxek | probably systemd... |
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| 21:17.26 | oxek | so far, openresolv seems to work. It adds the VPN provider DNS server and removes all others from /etc/resolv.conf, and it seems to stick |
| 21:17.32 | oxek | possibly related https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=860564 |
| 21:17.33 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/860564 in resolvconf (open): «openresolv is less crippled than debian-resolvconf for security-focused configurations»; severity: normal; opened: 2017-04-18; last modified: 2017-04-18. |
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| 21:25.14 | oxek | wait a moment, I just realized something |
| 21:25.22 | oxek | the person who reported that is the wireguard dev |
| 21:25.35 | oxek | so I should definitely try using openresolv then |
| 21:25.40 | converge | after connect a bluetooth headphone, should I see a new audio device with "arecord -l" ? |
| 21:26.34 | bru | converge: If your Bluetooth headphone has a microphone, it should. For playback devices the command is "aplay -l" |
| 21:27.15 | another | be sure to enable the right profile |
| 21:29.43 | converge | does profiles are set in the pavucontrol? |
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| 21:33.29 | another | i believe so |
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| 21:34.41 | converge | Ill restart |
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| 21:58.02 | jhutchins | oxek: apple.new does not resolve on two different networks. |
| 21:58.12 | jhutchins | oxek: You're doing this with a container, aren't you? |
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| 22:13.15 | oxek | jhutchins: was that meant for me? |
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| 22:14.45 | jhutchins | oxek: Yes. |
| 22:15.58 | oxek | jhutchins: not doing this in a container, this is a real machine |
| 22:16.06 | jhutchins | Ah. |
| 22:16.10 | oxek | and I don't know what this apple.new is |
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| 22:16.46 | jhutchins | I probably mis-read something. |
| 22:16.59 | oxek | so far, openresolv seems to work |
| 22:17.04 | jhutchins | oxek: apple.new isn't anyhting. |
| 22:17.40 | jhutchins | resolvconf works too, you just have to understand the mechanism. |
| 22:17.53 | oxek | yeah, and I don't understand it :) |
| 22:18.06 | oxek | whereas openresolv just works without me understanding it |
| 22:18.13 | jhutchins | oxek: ... and the system's working for you now, so go with it. |
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| 22:18.31 | oxek | will see if anything breaks on next dhcp renew, and on reboots |
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| 22:19.39 | jhutchins | ,v openresolv |
| 22:19.40 | judd | Package: openresolv on amd64 -- buster: 3.8.0-1; stretch: 3.8.0-1; bullseye: 3.10.0-1; sid: 3.10.0-1 |
| 22:19.59 | jhutchins | ,v resolvconf |
| 22:20.00 | judd | Package: resolvconf on amd64 -- jessie: 1.76.1; buster: 1.79; stretch: 1.79; bullseye: 1.84; sid: 1.84 |
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| 22:44.57 | converge | Im trying to setup the microphone of my headphone, I can hear the headphone output/audio, but the mic. isnt working. any tip how could I make it work? "pactl list cards" shows this https://paste.debian.net/1177535/ |
| 22:46.31 | jhutchins | !alsa checklist |
| 22:46.32 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>. |
| 22:46.43 | jhutchins | Similar procedure for a mic. |
| 22:47.29 | jhutchins | converge: Are you sure the jack supports headphones/mic? Thate requires a third contact that is oftn on a separate jack on soundcards and desktops. |
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| 22:48.51 | converge | jhutchins, I mean, its a bluetooth device |
| 22:49.12 | converge | device=headphone |
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| 22:50.34 | converge | using "alsamixer", and listening the (sound cards), I should see something related to my headphone right? I see only hda nvidia and hd-audio(onboard audio) |
| 22:51.18 | another | "Active Profile: a2dp_sink" |
| 22:51.38 | converge | listening/listing |
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| 22:53.38 | converge | another, how is that done..? |
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| 22:58.08 | another | should be: pacmd set-card-profile 2 head_unit |
| 22:59.03 | another | or pavucontrol's Configuration tab |
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| 23:02.48 | wisbit | evening guys |
| 23:03.02 | converge | another, I mean, Im able to change profiles, but mic. still doesnt work. if I use a2dp sink profile I can hear the output of the headphone, and when recording audio from mic, it uses the output and not my voice for example |
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| 23:03.32 | wisbit | is it normal that share names, once removed from the smd.conf, still keep showing on other computers ? |
| 23:03.37 | converge | hsp/hfp doesnt output sound, and neither record it/mic |
| 23:04.36 | mutante | wisbit: yea, seems normal |
| 23:05.14 | wisbit | mutante, any way to make it so it doesn't happen ? some cache to flush ? |
| 23:06.49 | another | converge: mic muted? |
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| 23:07.24 | mutante | wisbit: check in /var/lib/samba/usershares ? |
| 23:07.35 | mutante | do you see files matching the old share there? |
| 23:08.18 | mutante | wisbit: or this apparently " net usershare delete sharename" |
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| 23:09.35 | wisbit | mutante, 1. about the /var/lib usershares folder is empty. 2 about the files, no, there folders are not accessible, they just show up when accessing shares from other computers |
| 23:09.52 | converge | another, unfortunately not.. |
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| 23:11.31 | mutante | wisbit: what about the same thing on the client computers though |
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| 23:12.42 | mutante | wisbit: I expected the issue is on the client computer if the share is removed from the server but nothing told the client to forget about it. |
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| 23:13.35 | jhutchins | converge: You probably need to mess with the bluetooth settings, not the sound settings. |
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| 23:14.18 | n4dir | converge: you could try #lau and #opensourcemusicians ; both channels not outstanding active, but worth a try. |
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| 23:14.44 | n4dir | also the channel for whatever software you are going to use |
| 23:19.50 | converge | thanks, I'll try that |
| 23:20.20 | n4dir | i did get good help there, but had to wait quite a bit before an answer. Good luck. |
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| 23:43.49 | dob1 | , v taskwarrior |
| 23:43.50 | judd | Package: taskwarrior on amd64 -- jessie: 2.3.0+dfsg-3; stretch: 2.5.1+dfsg-3; stretch-backports: 2.5.1+dfsg-5~bpo9+1; buster: 2.5.1+dfsg-7; bullseye: 2.5.1+dfsg-11; sid: 2.5.2+dfsg-1 |
| 23:44.15 | dob1 | no backport |
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| 23:44.42 | mrkramps | hm, let me guess why ^^ |
| 23:45.00 | mutante | Zppix: what's up |
| 23:46.11 | dob1 | mrkramps you are referring to me? |
| 23:46.55 | mrkramps | dob1, nah just fooling around |
| 23:47.54 | Zppix | mutante: bandwiith usage |
| 23:48.29 | mutante | Zppix: :) miraheze growing strong I guess : |
| 23:48.57 | Zppix | Twas a joke, but yes |
| 23:49.12 | mutante | why not both :) |
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