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| 02:19.23 | lbr | Hi. Is pulseaudio broken in testing for everyone or just me? |
| 02:20.58 | solrize | GNU\colossus, sorry, earlier meant apple.news not apple.new |
| 02:22.57 | lbr | Re. `pulseaudio` in Bullseye: https://paste.debian.net/1177549/ |
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| 02:30.15 | pcods | Hey all. I am trying to configure a custom kernel on debian and while I'm no stranger to kernel configs in Gentoo, I am having hell using the deb tools. I'm sure I'm just doing something simple stupid but i have already failed to boot twice so it's getting frustrating |
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| 02:31.02 | pcods | If I just build it without compiling the deb binary, will it still be maintained by apt all the same? |
| 02:31.30 | pcods | *binaries |
| 02:32.20 | jmcnaught | You need to build a package for apt to be able to manage it. |
| 02:32.37 | jmcnaught | !kernel handbook |
| 02:32.38 | dpkg | The Debian Linux Kernel Handbook http://kernel-handbook.debian.net/ - packaged as debian-kernel-handbook since Debian 7 "Wheezy" - serves as a single access point to all kernel-related documentation. See chapter 4.2 to rebuild official Debian kernel packages, see chapter 4.5 to build a custom kernel from Debian kernel source. |
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| 02:35.51 | pcods | When yall configure a kernel in debian, how do you compile modules? |
| 02:36.23 | bsund | pcods, gcc all the way |
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| 02:38.01 | pcods | @bsund make, make modules, make install, make modules_install... Is there anything wrong with doing it that way in debian? |
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| 02:40.03 | themill | suggests reading the kernel handbook |
| 02:41.02 | bsund | pcods, i dunno if there is still a make deb, usually when one make a custom kernel it is without modules |
| 02:41.39 | pcods | dude trust me, I'm reading the handbook. I'm just trying to feel out what other people do since this is a debian community and all |
| 02:42.59 | bsund | loads of linux/unix community is find it out for yourself |
| 02:43.23 | pcods | the way I did it last time was fakeroot make deb-pkg |
| 02:43.26 | bsund | so the question is why are you making a kernel with modules in debian? |
| 02:45.26 | pcods | ya I know, I've been in these communities for a few years now and I usually know better than ask around but I'm tired of wasting time tonight lol |
| 02:47.28 | pcods | Much of the default config I'm modifying already has a shit-ton of options configured as modules. I think I'm starting to realize that if they're already part of my system then no need to recompile |
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| 02:48.51 | pcods | I donno, none of my gentoo systems even need initrd |
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| 02:51.55 | bsund | pcods, and you complaining that you have problems with modules in debian, write the opera |
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| 02:52.55 | pcods | I'm just a little frustrated, it happens |
| 02:55.08 | pcods | So what kind of stuff do yall normally talk about here? I bet it's just awful lol |
| 02:55.30 | mrkramps | yeah, mostly about our incompetence |
| 02:56.34 | pcods | Any cool projects or site-content from anyone? |
| 02:57.06 | bsund | we just sit silent and hauling cash |
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| 02:57.45 | pcods | hauling cash, eh? where ya hauling it to? |
| 02:58.13 | bsund | meself obvously |
| 02:59.09 | pcods | oh. my bad G |
| 03:00.28 | bsund | honestly, me last beer and need food |
| 03:01.45 | bsund | i have never had any reason to compile kernel when using debian, so that is the reason i can't help you |
| 03:03.18 | pcods | I'm hosting an onion site so I'm trying to just tighten it up a bit and also optomize for containerization |
| 03:03.56 | bsund | so you need custom kernel? |
| 03:03.57 | pcods | no worries man, i get it. |
| 03:06.24 | bsund | just don't do the php promise |
| 03:06.48 | pcods | I need it for routing protocols for containers and to tighten up security for tor for starters |
| 03:07.11 | bsund | you need php for routing? |
| 03:07.11 | pcods | what's the php promise? lol |
| 03:07.39 | bsund | forget about the php |
| 03:07.52 | pcods | omg. I need kernel options for routing containers |
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| 03:51.00 | velix | What are those .symbols files in debian/ directory? I know they're for debugging, but why are they actually needed? |
| 03:52.18 | velix | ah, is it this? https://wiki.debian.org/Projects/ImprovedDpkgShlibdeps |
| 03:52.24 | Unit193 | dbgsym packages are for debugging, symbols are for libraries. |
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| 06:22.34 | SymbioticFemale | lol can you people please standardize the syntax for the repositories in sources.list rather than changing the syntax every new distro? |
| 06:22.53 | Deyaa | How to use reboot(); without root? I can reboot my system as a normal user but when I do it with c++ it doesn't work. |
| 06:22.57 | SymbioticFemale | also enable https on security.debian.org repo lol |
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| 06:26.27 | Deyaa | This is annoying |
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| 06:49.58 | Veni | goooodddd morninnnnngggggg Debiaaannnnnn =) |
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| 06:54.09 | Ede|Popede | the only thing is see is /updates vs -updates |
| 06:59.11 | wyoung | Veni: o/ |
| 07:00.00 | Veni | :D |
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| 08:06.54 | velix | Anyone with an idea, why installation of openjdk breaks in buster stable? |
| 08:07.40 | velix | "pdate-alternatives: error: error creating symbolic link '/usr/share/man/man1/rmid.1.gz.dpkg-tmp': No such file or directory" |
| 08:08.29 | velix | seems like a packaging bug |
| 08:09.42 | velix | Yeah, it's a bug. Fix: "mkdir -p /usr/share/man/man1/" |
| 08:10.33 | themill | how does that not exist already? |
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| 08:11.41 | nkuttler | velix: which debian version is that? |
| 08:12.04 | velix | nkuttler: gimme a hint, which uname switch it was. |
| 08:12.28 | nkuttler | velix: you didn't install the system? |
| 08:12.46 | velix | Sure, but I can't tell if it's Debian 10.6, 10.7, 10.8 or 10.8.2.3 |
| 08:13.02 | wsky | what |
| 08:13.06 | nkuttler | velix: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 08:13.13 | wsky | there was no debian 10.8 yet |
| 08:13.31 | velix | nkuttler: it's 10.7 |
| 08:13.32 | nkuttler | velix: you might have omitted some fairly standard packages during install |
| 08:13.51 | velix | nkuttler: It's a fresh minimal installation |
| 08:14.04 | nkuttler | "minimal" ? |
| 08:14.08 | velix | Okay, I didn't use java for years |
| 08:14.14 | velix | nkuttler: netinstall |
| 08:14.22 | nkuttler | anyway, if you installed no manpages i guess this could happen |
| 08:14.39 | velix | https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/arm64/iso-cd/debian-10.7.0-arm64-netinst.iso |
| 08:14.43 | velix | ah see, there was the 10.7 ;) |
| 08:14.59 | velix | dpkg --list | grep man -> "man-db |
| 08:14.59 | dpkg | velix: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 08:15.06 | velix | ./dpkg --list | grep man -> "man-db" |
| 08:15.23 | velix | No other program made trouble :/ |
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| 08:17.43 | themill | There are lots of essential packages that include /usr/share/man/man1. You've got to work very hard to not have that |
| 08:18.26 | velix | Thanks for pointing that out. I'll simply do a reinstall ;) |
| 08:18.28 | velix | Thanks for help! |
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| 09:31.11 | robamkhrictjan | Hello . I have a problem. I have lightDM display manager. But It seems not to be possible to put the top main menu to anywhere else. I would like it to be on bottom. Can someone help ? |
| 09:31.21 | robamkhrictjan | And I am using manjaro linux |
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| 09:33.27 | quadrathoch2 | and why would you ask in #debian? robamkhrictjan |
| 09:33.44 | robamkhrictjan | Because You all know it. |
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| 09:33.54 | robamkhrictjan | Since I am not a proff in linux |
| 09:34.05 | robamkhrictjan | Only used it about 10 years |
| 09:34.13 | quadrathoch2 | no, as we have no idea what manjaro did edit in comparison to debian or upstream |
| 09:35.43 | robamkhrictjan | btw, i have tried to install debian, but the installation is so complicated for ordinary users |
| 09:35.57 | robamkhrictjan | It gave me black screen |
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| 09:41.37 | ratrace | For some reason, they're going through different distro channels, instead of asking for their own, lol... |
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| 09:44.42 | quadrathoch2 | ratrace probably because it's empty? idk |
| 09:52.13 | aminvakil | quadrathoch2: it has got 209 users now as i can see, and i don't think using a less popular os can justify asking questions in other distros |
| 09:53.19 | quadrathoch2 | idk how popular manjaro is, but numbers in irc channels don't say alot |
| 09:54.17 | aminvakil | oh, i've mistaken you with manjaro user |
| 09:54.23 | aminvakil | and thought different and ... |
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| 13:10.08 | unborn | robamkhrictjan> Because You all know it. - meh :D |
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| 13:25.10 | EvilPyro | Hello, whats the command to change the keyboard layout with debian live? I've been trying for 1h now hehe |
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| 13:31.07 | AquaL1te | congrats with the new webpage, looks really nice |
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| 13:37.50 | mrkramps | EvilPyro, setxkbmap? |
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| 13:47.28 | EvilPyro | command not found |
| 13:50.39 | mrkramps | EvilPyro, which debian live iso you're using? |
| 13:51.31 | EvilPyro | I'm not sure tbh, this is for a test, teacher gave us a test vm to check that everything works |
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| 13:52.27 | mrkramps | EvilPyro, running the GNOME desktop evironment? |
| 13:52.44 | EvilPyro | no, just TTY |
| 13:53.13 | EvilPyro | i think it doesnt even have X |
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| 13:54.12 | mrkramps | EvilPyro, try: sudo dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-config |
| 13:54.39 | mrkramps | sry, try: sudo dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration |
| 13:55.01 | EvilPyro | i did that, i choose the correct keymap and all but after that nothing changes |
| 13:56.18 | mrkramps | probably an additional: systemctl restart keyboard-setup.service |
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| 13:58.20 | EvilPyro | nothing :c |
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| 13:59.15 | Ede|Popede | i needed a few tries on 9live myself. at one point i ended up to edit /etc/default/keyboard # XKBLAYOUT="de" |
| 13:59.58 | unborn | EvilPyro: what is your native keyboard? |
| 14:00.06 | EvilPyro | es_ES |
| 14:00.12 | Ede|Popede | which seems to have become obsoleted later, but followed by /etc/default/console-setup # CHARMAP="UTF-8" --- and then `setupcon` (which may have been it) |
| 14:00.42 | EvilPyro | I need a solution that doesnt need to access the internet btw |
| 14:00.47 | EvilPyro | so no extra packages |
| 14:01.03 | EvilPyro | because i wont have access to that on the exam hehe |
| 14:01.06 | mrkramps | hmkay, it's not working |
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| 14:02.11 | unborn | EvilPyro: try this as root (sudo) since you are in live environment setxkbmap es intl - this should work |
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| 14:03.09 | EvilPyro | bash: setxkbmap: command not found |
| 14:03.26 | unborn | EvilPyro: as root? |
| 14:03.48 | mrkramps | unborn, tty only |
| 14:03.49 | EvilPyro | yeah |
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| 14:04.35 | unborn | mrkramps: yes - he is on live environment only commands.. he can be sudo or su or root |
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| 14:05.07 | EvilPyro | I'm root already. The command doesnt work because i think this live doesnt even have X |
| 14:05.27 | n4dir | i'd say keyboard tty is either console-setup or console-data |
| 14:05.32 | n4dir | but won't bet |
| 14:05.57 | n4dir | running it via dpkg-reconfigure should quickly show if i am wrong |
| 14:06.15 | mrkramps | ok, you need: systemctl restart console-setup.service |
| 14:06.34 | unborn | EvilPyro: ah I see...live like tty only no gui whatsoever - my bad! |
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| 14:08.01 | mrkramps | somebody should maybe change this in wiki |
| 14:08.15 | EvilPyro | mrkramps, it seems that exited with error code. I'm going to restart the live and try the reconfigure and service restart again |
| 14:08.44 | unborn | EvilPyro: setxkbmap es is correct for X server - To complete the round, let me also give the code for the ttyX (real console) screens: loadkeys es - is it working? |
| 14:09.01 | EvilPyro | no. file not found es |
| 14:10.43 | unborn | mrkramps: wiki is not on git anywhere not even on debian servers (at least I have to met anyone who got git access to it, asked many times - nowhere to go) - I guess they will change it sometimes in future. |
| 14:12.09 | EvilPyro | Okay guys it works. mrkramps it was what you said but since i did a lot of try-test commands it wasnt working so a reboot and running the commands again solved it. its dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration and then systemctl restart console-setup.service |
| 14:12.14 | EvilPyro | thankyou all |
| 14:12.23 | mrkramps | you're welcome |
| 14:12.39 | unborn | nice one! |
| 14:13.02 | unborn | updating my own wiki EvilPyro - thanks |
| 14:13.59 | mrkramps | unborn, i'd guess loadkeys with absolute path to keymap might work as well, but for the time beeing i do not even know where debian has keymap files |
| 14:15.11 | n4dir | console-data would work here. |
| 14:15.27 | EvilPyro | this live doesnt even have /etc/share/keymaps (from the loadkeys man page) |
| 14:16.20 | unborn | mrkramps: well you very right.. my own documentation is pointed from gentoo and forgive me ubuntu based distros I just tested my advice on live debian and it did not worked as well.. so - You are right! |
| 14:16.29 | mrkramps | n4dir, console-data is not even installed for me 0= |
| 14:16.44 | unborn | nor even for me |
| 14:16.58 | n4dir | let me think a bit if that might be changed somehow |
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| 14:20.13 | mrkramps | hm, i never really investigated it, but debian's console-setup / keyboard-konfiguration seems to work pretty different from default loadkeys |
| 14:23.51 | unborn | mrkramps: I never really had to since I really not run live at all. 99.9% its net install, just naked system and ssh and since via install it will let you set up everything like keyboards.. someone should do update wikis - - sometimes. Thanks for valuable input anyway, as I can now change keyboard live without install meh! |
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| 14:26.20 | mrkramps | seems like in debian the kmap.gz is created on the fly from XKB definitions |
| 14:26.30 | netcrash | Hello, not sure if someone can help , but got no answer in #nginx. I followed instructions on how to create a chrooted env of nginx in debian. But when trying to start nginx I get [emerg] getpwnam("www-data") failed in ... https://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/howto-run-nginx-in-a-chroot-jail/ |
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| 14:29.30 | unborn | netcrash: failed in ...getpwnam("www-data") - in message you can see whats wrong.. anyway welcome to this channel... anyway this channel is about debian and not really nginx nor apache and usually busy (right now not really) - you should not really ask this here.. you should stick to nginx channel you know.. |
| 14:30.58 | mrkramps | yepp, there's a chached kmap.gz in /etc/console-setup which contains the set up keyboard layout |
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| 14:32.56 | unborn | netcrash: please remember that not eveyone and everyone are in same time zone at any channel like you so you might wait few minutes or hours to get answer. It apply here in same way |
| 14:34.24 | mrkramps | netcrash, the user www-data exists in your chroot? |
| 14:35.00 | unborn | well mrkramps I am going to cook pad-ke-mao (drunken noodles) - want to join me on lunch? :) |
| 14:35.29 | unborn | mrkramps: his answer will be no - the error message does said to him.. |
| 14:35.46 | mrkramps | unborn, thanks but i'm afraid that will most probably be a very long walk for a lunch ^^ |
| 14:35.48 | unborn | - he will come back with some more.. |
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| 14:36.41 | unborn | mrkramps: can I know where abouts? Im UK |
| 14:37.04 | mrkramps | unborn, germany ... so walking is not an option then bacause of north sea ;) |
| 14:37.53 | netcrash | mrkramps: in passwd , yes |
| 14:38.14 | netcrash | passwd, shadow gshadow |
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| 14:38.52 | unborn | mrkramps: :D yes! but not far away as (us).. I will fly to Dortmund 23th (next week).. anyway thank you for debug regards that keyboard! I guess I will see you around. have to go cook something great. |
| 14:39.02 | netcrash | mrkramps: www-data:*:18615:0:99999:7::: |
| 14:39.08 | netcrash | that's shadow |
| 14:39.14 | unborn | - I told you he will come back with more palava :D |
| 14:39.37 | unborn | mrkramps: ^^^^ |
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| 14:44.56 | mrkramps | netcrash, based on https://github.com/doublerebel/nginx-chroot nginx-chroot.sh there are probably libs missing in your chroot |
| 14:45.23 | mrkramps | libnss and libnsl stuff |
| 14:45.50 | mrkramps | but these howtos are already quite old, dunno if still valid |
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| 14:53.12 | netcrash | mrkramps: thank you , that was it |
| 14:53.24 | netcrash | libnss_compat was missing |
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| 15:11.37 | elm_ | could anyone help me in getting this distro to boot on my 80486 computer? |
| 15:11.41 | elm_ | http://osarchive.sda1.eu/feather-linux |
| 15:11.59 | elm_ | The floppy always wants to boot from an installation at /sda1 |
| 15:12.15 | elm_ | but the boot screen says the IDE cdrom is hdb |
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| 15:12.32 | elm_ | It is a Debian derivate |
| 15:12.46 | ansimita | elm_: This channel provides support exclusively for the Debian Linux distribution. |
| 15:13.25 | ansimita | !derivative |
| 15:13.25 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
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| 15:14.35 | elm_ | where should I ask? |
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| 15:16.10 | elm_ | there is no online help for those distros that are stilll online |
| 15:16.40 | elm_ | #linux is heavily overloaded |
| 15:16.56 | elm_ | they don´t respomnd there |
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| 15:25.36 | elm_ | I will need to shut this computer down now; the keyboard is already hanging |
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| 15:34.11 | mrkramps | elm_, floppy img is for booting from usb ⦠as file name implies |
| 15:35.24 | mrkramps | just boot from cdrom directly |
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| 16:37.42 | jaguardown | I am on debian buster with gnome and I keep running into strange behavior, on my regular sudoer user account I randomly can't list my home directory |
| 16:37.52 | jaguardown | The file explorer can't see anything and ls doesn't work in terminal |
| 16:37.58 | jaguardown | but I can enter subdirectories and list them |
| 16:38.10 | jaguardown | I can also ls them fine if I am root |
| 16:38.57 | jaguardown | I most commonly seem to notice it while using the Atom text editor |
| 16:39.02 | mrkramps | jaguardown, you're still owner of /home/$USER ? |
| 16:39.20 | jaguardown | yes |
| 16:40.47 | jaguardown | I will have a project folder open in Atom and click to expand a folder and it will freeze atom, then when I use the file explorer to open Home it just continously loads then says "Folder is empty" |
| 16:41.12 | jaguardown | If I reboot it works fine |
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| 16:44.38 | mrkramps | jaguardown, if it is reproducable with atom you'd check for matching bug in the issue tracker |
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| 16:47.11 | jaguardown | mrkramps: copy |
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| 16:57.53 | jaguardown | It must be a problem between atom and debian/gnome because even when I close and open Atom it doesn't respond until I reboot |
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| 17:14.25 | Ede|Popede | atom, the electron based editor? |
| 17:14.41 | mrkramps | yes |
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| 17:17.27 | Ede|Popede | i'd really like to blame its underlying technology, but if ls in the terminal also fails, well. |
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| 17:18.07 | mrkramps | something from atom could just go I/O crazy?! |
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| 17:19.05 | Ede|Popede | wouldn't surprise me. goes RAM and CPU crazy already *g* |
| 17:19.45 | mrkramps | just had a look at the issue tracker ⦠quite some issues for a text editor |
| 17:20.09 | mrkramps | ok ok, it's an IDE, i know |
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| 17:22.11 | Ede|Popede | i really don't get that hype. for some years with linux on one and xp on the other pc i used jEdit. just because i wanted something more than notepad.exe but not forced to memorize 2 different UIs. |
| 17:22.46 | Ede|Popede | now what again was the advantage of electron for something not being an online app? |
| 17:22.48 | petn-randall | Ede|Popede: All the cool kids use sublime text, anyway. |
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| 17:24.07 | Ede|Popede | smells like shareware. keept my penguin boxes free of this kind of soft ;) |
| 17:24.53 | Ede|Popede | actually i just added non-free not too long ago because of a single package |
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| 17:28.23 | petn-randall | firmware is my main reason. |
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| 17:44.06 | sig_9 | . |
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| 17:58.19 | trui | to be fair, there's more trust involved regarding data if it's always online, Ede|Popede |
| 17:59.31 | Ede|Popede | trui: like having a suid sandbox? |
| 17:59.34 | trui | and web, electron or otherwise, is more easily cross platform. The accessibility issues were and maybe still are a huge problem though |
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| 18:00.02 | trui | i use emacs/vim, but i see the attraction |
| 18:00.13 | trui | i guess |
| 18:00.55 | Ede|Popede | i've seen a greenwashing logo on google's site recently. not sure how much electricity is used on users' machines because of all the useless JS hell on their platforms, but i expect it to be more than their polar servers can save because of the natural cooling. |
| 18:01.45 | trui | getting rid of unlimited photo storage should help :P |
| 18:02.10 | Ede|Popede | for the devs it is for sure. had to stop using mediathekview because Java8, found the web version later, also their forum. written in node.js, just because it was easy peasy to write it for them. no thanks. |
| 18:02.53 | Ede|Popede | doesn't help me with videos stopping while i'm getting in my google image results |
| 18:03.22 | trui | my old laptop can hardly use vscode, due to heat problems, and lots of people have 4gb ram or less |
| 18:03.25 | Ede|Popede | twitter, insta, all the same. even audio streams, so it can't be my cheap gpu :) |
| 18:03.32 | Ede|Popede | 2! |
| 18:03.40 | Ede|Popede | bios from fall 2007 |
| 18:03.55 | trui | but silicon valley only cares about profits anyways, so what else is new? |
| 18:04.49 | nkuttler | trui: shiny gui editors aren't anything new.. yet emacs/vim still work |
| 18:04.50 | Ede|Popede | still fine, but only to the point i'm starting the browser. uses more than the populated desktop already, but then just let me open a few pages. and twitter refuses cooperation w/o JS now completely. |
| 18:04.59 | trui | i can't say much because i haven't developed anything, but i don't have a degree and it'd be a huge time sink |
| 18:05.21 | trui | emacs *was* the shiny new editor |
| 18:05.30 | nkuttler | vim too |
| 18:05.31 | Ede|Popede | trui: i can't use youtube because overload :) |
| 18:05.50 | Ede|Popede | so the effect is i won't see any of their ads |
| 18:06.47 | Ede|Popede | i missed the point to switch from xchat to irssi long ago. irs is all about text after all, so there's not really a need for something GUI. |
| 18:07.27 | Ede|Popede | sometimes even links2 is fine for the web, but with firefox open already how often do i use it? |
| 18:07.37 | Ede|Popede | links2 because graphics |
| 18:07.44 | mrkramps | Ede|Popede, in terms of resources X/HexChat is deniitely not you issue |
| 18:08.06 | trui | at least Emacs brought lots of features with its size. |
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| 18:08.27 | trui | electron doesn't really add many features, except maybe good looks. |
| 18:09.00 | mrkramps | good looks ontop chromium-sandbox |
| 18:09.01 | Ede|Popede | definitely not. 1-9,11 go to firefox, 10 Xorg, 12 xfdesktop. hexchat is on 12 with 1.5% RAM. |
| 18:09.29 | trui | you could say, 'vim is way bigger than vi, why use it?' which is fair, but it does have more features. |
| 18:09.54 | Ede|Popede | and i only had one of the pinned tabs since the restart and a bit of searching and twitter. ofc with NoScript. |
| 18:10.01 | Ede|Popede | whereever possible... |
| 18:10.25 | Ede|Popede | depends if you need or want them or how much of a purist you are. |
| 18:10.54 | Ede|Popede | couldn't say out of the blue where the differences are, but i remember i missed some things in vi. |
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| 18:12.52 | trui | i don't think vi had viminfo |
| 18:14.47 | trui | which i find quite convenient. emacs doesn't really have it either. there is desktop save mode, but it feels more bulky |
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| 18:15.59 | trui | emacs does have tabs too now though, haha, though i haven't updated yet |
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| 18:19.14 | trui | i'll just wait for debian 11. i don't want to compile on my laptop with its unknown thermal paste state |
| 18:19.47 | alex11 | how can you scan for unnecessary open ports on debian? |
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| 18:24.41 | trui | i'm assuming you want something more than: ss -tulpn alex11 ? |
| 18:25.54 | alex11 | no, that probably works |
| 18:26.32 | alex11 | does it mean that if there's no process associated with a port, that it should be closed? |
| 18:27.37 | trui | someone else might be able to answer that |
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| 18:30.56 | trui | i wonder if #networking might know as well, alex11 |
| 18:31.35 | trui | ##networking that is |
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| 18:33.11 | Wulf | Hello. How can I configure a NIC to use dhcp client but don't set dns or default route from it? |
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| 18:39.06 | jhutchins | !override dns |
| 18:39.07 | dpkg | To have dhclient etc not touch /etc/resolv.conf, the best plan is to configure it not to touch that file. See https://wiki.debian.org/resolv.conf for more details. Note that by ignoring the DHCP-provided DNS servers, you may find that you are unable to use captive portals or surf the web on some network. Beware creating technical debt by doing things like chattr +i |
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| 18:44.32 | Wulf | jhutchins: thanks. And for the default gateway? Create another hook file? |
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| 18:45.49 | jhutchins | I have no experience with that. Potentially you could do an entirely static configuration, but why do you not trust the DHCP server? |
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| 18:48.50 | Wulf | jhutchins: It's a special setup. Default route plus DNS will be through a statically configured interface. Another interface shall use a DHCP client only to get an address. But I guess I could really configure it to be static. |
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| 18:51.25 | GoonDog | hi can anyone tell me how this issue can be resolved https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/V6kYkxskwN/ |
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| 18:53.33 | Wulf | GoonDog: you're running it as root. ~ points to /root. You might want ~goondog/Downloads/... instead. |
| 18:53.58 | sney | GoonDog: tar won't lie to you, that's the exact error you get when the file is not in that location |
| 18:54.17 | sney | use full paths instead of ~ if you're switching back and forth to root a lot |
| 18:54.29 | GoonDog | do i need to be in root to extract Wulf and sney thanks |
| 18:54.47 | sney | you need to be root to write to /opt, generally |
| 18:55.09 | GoonDog | sney, thanks, let declare the full path and see what happen |
| 18:57.14 | GoonDog | oh yeah, it has done the extraction this time, thanks a lot guys |
| 18:57.45 | GoonDog | so that tilde can only be use when I am in /home/username |
| 18:58.21 | trui | it can be used wherever, GoonDog. it refers to the home directory of the current active user |
| 18:58.28 | trui | which in your case was root |
| 18:59.04 | trui | which wasn't what you wanted, but yeah. that's all that ~ means though. |
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| 19:04.51 | GoonDog | thanks a lot trui i think i got the picture, so basically lets say I am in /home/GoonDog and I type cp ~/bin/pass* it wont copy cos that tilde and where I am sitting is not root |
| 19:05.54 | GoonDog | but if I am sitting in root and type cp ~/bin/pass*d /home/GoonDog/Downloads it will take it right? |
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| 19:07.09 | another | it doesn't matter where you are but who you are |
| 19:07.20 | another | ~ expands to the current users home |
| 19:07.32 | another | ~foo expands to foo's home |
| 19:07.32 | apt | ACTION foo! || <action> bar expands to foo's home || <reply> foo expands to foo's home bar || foo |
| 19:09.19 | sney | GoonDog: do 'ls -ld ~' as your user, and then do it as root. compare what you see. make sense now? |
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| 19:13.36 | trui | oh, didn't know about the latter, neat, another. but yeah, what they said |
| 19:17.13 | trui | i'll probably forget it since i use sudo, but still neat |
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| 19:23.31 | trui | i only used root on my vps since it was convenient to login with an unpriviledged user and switch to root when necessary. |
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| 19:25.20 | trui | vs having a login user without sudo and a non login user with sudo, eh |
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| 20:36.34 | vptr | Hi! What is the best GPU you would recommend that works well on current debian? |
| 20:37.08 | petn-randall | vptr: Anything Intel usually works fine. I'd stay away from nvidia. |
| 20:38.23 | vptr | petn-randall: are you referring to on-chip gpu or a dedicated? I somehow was not aware that intel made any dedicated gpus. |
| 20:39.00 | petn-randall | vptr: on chip |
| 20:39.12 | petn-randall | vptr: But they also make dedicated gpus, just not that common. |
| 20:39.17 | vptr | I'm looking for something that has good performance for video streaming (obs). I think on-chip just don't have good decoders. |
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| 20:41.46 | petn-randall | vptr: Current Intel CPUs en- and decode in hardware, so your bandwidth will more likely be the bottleneck. |
| 20:42.06 | mrkramps | alterantively go amd |
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| 20:46.52 | vptr | mrkramps: do you have specific amd models in mind? |
| 20:48.26 | mrkramps | vptr, actually not ... just make sure your favorite distribution already as support for the gpu |
| 20:49.12 | vptr | is there a good way to check for hardware support somehow? |
| 20:49.37 | vptr | I think I've seen some website for fbsd hardware support, but can't remember now. I wonder if there's something similar for linux |
| 20:50.22 | mrkramps | bsd-hardware.info i's guess |
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| 20:50.58 | mrkramps | so for linux you can look at https://linux-hardware.org/ |
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| 20:51.54 | mrkramps | vptr, and otherwise just use google |
| 20:52.38 | jelly | is "just use google" really a GOOD way to verify hw support? |
| 20:52.39 | vptr | yeah, I think that's what I was referring to. Googling these days is somehow getting extremely difficult for finding right information. |
| 20:52.49 | vptr | thanks, I'll check it out |
| 20:52.55 | mrkramps | jelly, from my experience yes |
| 20:53.19 | mrkramps | that's basic research on hardware compatibility |
| 20:54.18 | mrkramps | but yeah, you do not need to use google, any search engine on the internets will do the job |
| 20:54.40 | jelly | basic research is a bit different from "actually working accelerated libva codecs" |
| 20:55.24 | jhutchins | vptr: The problem is that there isn't some central lab where people are paid to verify compatibility. There are a few HCLs out there, but they rely on people to post whether something works, and if it works fine they have no incentive, so it's mostly negative reports/ |
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| 21:01.37 | mrkramps | jhutchins, linux-hardware.org is not too bad, because they use a client to actually probe your hardware and upload the results |
| 21:02.28 | mrkramps | this is pretty much an automatic process without manual verification |
| 21:02.48 | jelly | obs seems to use ffmpeg for enconding, and who knows whether debian's build of ffmpeg is capable of using whatever libva can offer |
| 21:03.19 | jelly | https://wiki.debian.org/HardwareVideoAcceleration > For Intel, it's split generationally and into free and non-free drivers. The non-free drivers are necessary to encode media while the free drivers can only decode. |
| 21:03.47 | jelly | ,v intel-media-va-driver-non-free |
| 21:03.48 | judd | Package: intel-media-va-driver-non-free on amd64 -- buster/non-free: 18.4.1+ds1-1; bullseye/non-free: 20.4.2+ds1-1; sid/non-free: 20.4.3+ds1-1 |
| 21:05.42 | jelly | yet another non-free component to get hardware actually working completely |
| 21:06.27 | mrkramps | i don't think you can get accelerated encoding without non-free firmware at all |
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| 21:13.43 | jelly | and non-free userspace, apparently |
| 21:14.08 | jelly | ,v i965-va-driver-shaders |
| 21:14.09 | judd | Package: i965-va-driver-shaders on amd64 -- buster/non-free: 2.3.0-1; bullseye/non-free: 2.4.1-1; sid/non-free: 2.4.1-1 |
| 21:14.28 | jelly | for << Skylake chipsets |
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| 21:24.03 | asterismo | hi |
| 21:24.22 | asterismo | it is possible to install an old kernel, 3.16 or so, in debian 10? |
| 21:24.44 | asterismo | in debian 10 i have a suspend issue, that didn't happened in older debian versions |
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| 21:25.09 | petn-randall | asterismo: You can try, it should work. |
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| 21:27.57 | asterismo | is there a repo? |
| 21:28.19 | Whyvn | hello, I am using nmcli for my wifi network. There is an odd issue where I have to release my lease of my IP address with dhclient -r and then renew a new IP lease with dhclient randomly throughout the day. It could go days without having to do this process or I can do it multiple times in a day. What could cause the issue with nmcli or my router not properly renewing the IP lease? When this issue happens I ping google.com and there is |
| 21:28.20 | Whyvn | no ping results it just hangs, and then when I dhclient -r and dhclient the ping works as you would expect and I get my network connection back. |
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| 21:28.57 | Whyvn | It would be nice if this would be automated as one would expect to happen, but it seems odd that I have to manually do it every so often |
| 21:28.58 | petn-randall | asterismo: Just add the Debian release that ships an older kernel, and install that. |
| 21:29.01 | petn-randall | ,kernels |
| 21:29.02 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 5.10.0-rc7-686-pae (5.10~rc7-1~exp1); sid: 5.9.0-5-686 (5.9.15-1); bullseye: 5.9.0-4-686-pae (5.9.11-1); buster-backports: 5.9.0-0.bpo.2-686 (5.9.6-1~bpo10+1); buster: 4.19.0-13-686-pae (4.19.160-2); stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.9-686-pae (4.19.118-2+deb10u1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.19.0-0.bpo.13-686 (4.19.160-2~deb9u1); jessie- |
| 21:29.03 | judd | backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.12-686 (4.9.210-1+deb9u1~deb8u1) |
| 21:29.28 | petn-randall | asterismo: 3.16 is ancient though, so it might not work with systemd. |
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| 21:30.07 | jmcnaught | Whyvn: any clues in 'journalctl -u NetworkManager'? |
| 21:30.14 | asterismo | jessie is 3.16 and systemd |
| 21:30.32 | jmcnaught | Buster's glibc requires linux 3.2: https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#glibc-and-linux |
| 21:30.45 | petn-randall | asterismo: jessie is 4.9 according to the output above. |
| 21:30.59 | asterismo | jesise backports |
| 21:31.21 | petn-randall | Indeed, there's a bug with the bot. |
| 21:33.14 | jelly | petn-randall, the _remaining_ support kernel in jessie-elts is 4.9; it was released with 3.16 and that was the kernel supported until end of jessie-lts |
| 21:33.29 | petn-randall | Ah, good to know. |
| 21:34.26 | jelly | even wheezy had 3.2; I'm not sure which kernel features systemd needs tho |
| 21:34.53 | Brigo | i think it depends in the systemd version |
| 21:35.09 | Whyvn | jmcnaught: ill have to montior that file once it happens. It happens semingly at random so not sure where to pinpoint, but what you suggested might lead to something. |
| 21:35.14 | jelly | I'm not sure which kernel features systemd in buster needs, either |
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| 21:36.32 | petn-randall | jelly: cgroups support? |
| 21:36.55 | Brigo | Whyvn, in my times it use to be an ARP table problem, but i doubt you could have that kind of problem today. |
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| 21:45.21 | asterismo | it complains about linux-kbuild-3.16 (>= 3.16.56-1) |
| 21:45.33 | asterismo | and linux-compiler-gcc-4.9-x86 (>= 3.16.51-3+deb8u2~) |
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| 21:46.20 | asterismo | it fails on linux-headers-3.16.0-10-686-pae |
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| 21:47.09 | jelly | asterismo_l, what was the EXACT command line you used? |
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| 21:48.28 | jelly | asterismo_l, and have you tried using a _newer_ kernel instead of older? |
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| 21:50.43 | asterismo_l | debian 10 kernel? |
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| 21:53.58 | asterismo_l | previous debian version i used in this system was debian 7 |
| 21:54.02 | asterismo_l | suspend worked fine |
| 21:54.31 | asterismo_l | debian 10 does not, i installed kernel 3.16 and it freezed anyways, so its something else, maybe graphics? |
| 21:54.47 | asterismo_l | i use nvidia graphics, riva tnt2 ancient graphics, 32MB |
| 21:54.54 | asterismo_l | maybe systemd? |
| 21:55.09 | asterismo_l | how can i troubleshoot this? |
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| 21:57.15 | netcrash | what module did you use on debian 7 for graphics ? |
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| 21:59.35 | asterismo_l | default one? |
| 21:59.43 | asterismo_l | now it uses nouveau i think |
| 21:59.56 | jelly | asterismo_l, is the rest of this machine also 10+ years old? |
| 22:00.02 | asterismo_l | yes |
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| 22:00.10 | asterismo_l | but it works perfectly fine |
| 22:00.20 | jelly | except for suspend |
| 22:00.37 | asterismo_l | systemd[1]: Reached target Sleep. |
| 22:00.41 | asterismo_l | systemd[1]: Starting Suspend... |
| 22:00.46 | asterismo_l | systemd-sleep[1415]: Suspending system... |
| 22:00.52 | asterismo_l | all i can see is 3 line |
| 22:01.18 | asterismo_l | kernel: [ 0.000000] Linux version 4.19.0-13-686-pae booting up |
| 22:01.18 | f8e4 | i open pdf: i cannot copy the text, what is faulty? it is just grabled mess in clipboard |
| 22:01.32 | jelly | asterismo_l, you got any usb devices? |
| 22:02.10 | mrkramps | f8e4, you open pdf ⦠with program? |
| 22:02.10 | asterismo_l | 1 keyboard, 1 mouse and 1 audio card |
| 22:02.22 | f8e4 | mrkramps yes id o |
| 22:02.30 | mrkramps | with program? |
| 22:02.37 | f8e4 | please help, i cannot copy text it result in mess, chromium |
| 22:02.52 | f8e4 | does pdftk have a rebuild pdf command? |
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| 22:05.45 | f8e4 | pdftk a.pdf cat 1-r1 output b.pdf still copy garbled mess |
| 22:05.53 | f8e4 | any pdf pro in here? |
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| 22:11.28 | dob1 | does systemct reboot is different from shutdown -r ? |
| 22:11.39 | mrkramps | f8e4, does it only affect a single or all pdfs in chromium? |
| 22:11.44 | dob1 | does systemct reboot differ from different from shutdown -r ? |
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| 22:16.28 | mrkramps | dob1, shudown is a link to systemctl |
| 22:17.16 | dob1 | ah... so another command that was replaced by systemct |
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| 22:21.57 | asterismo_l | any idea? any grub line? acpi something? |
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| 22:23.59 | mrkramps | asterismo_l, after invoking suspend nothing is happening? |
| 22:24.10 | mrkramps | like you get the 3 lines and that's it? |
| 22:27.33 | jhutchins | f8e4: There are multiple internal formats for PDFs. Some are just images of the text, not actual copyable/readable text. You could try opening the file in something like less to see if it's binary or encoded. |
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| 22:31.37 | mrkramps | asterismo_l, try removing the nouveau module before suspending. at least arch wiki suggests it might be an issue |
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| 22:43.14 | genr8_ | !sns |
| 22:43.14 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
| 22:44.20 | asterismo_l | it suspends, but it soen't came back |
| 22:44.46 | asterismo_l | i have to power cycle pressing the power button for 5 secs and boot up |
| 22:44.54 | asterismo_l | that lines i can see after reboot |
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| 22:45.38 | mrkramps | asterismo_l, sry i don't have a better suggestion than checking log files |
| 22:46.51 | asterismo_l | what other log files i can check? |
| 22:50.11 | mrkramps | asterismo_l, have you tried suspend with kernel instead systemd? |
| 22:50.45 | asterismo_l | mrkramps, how do i do this? |
| 22:51.34 | mrkramps | asterismo_l, should work with: echo "mem" | sudo tee /sys/power/state |
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| 22:53.02 | asterismo_l | no |
| 22:53.17 | asterismo_l | after resume i get corrupted display graphics and freeze |
| 22:53.29 | mrkramps | asterismo_l, but it resumes? |
| 22:53.33 | asterismo_l | no |
| 22:54.11 | mrkramps | so what now, resume and corrupted graphics or no resume at all? :D |
| 22:54.36 | asterismo_l | how do you define resume? |
| 22:54.40 | mrkramps | wake up |
| 22:54.46 | mrkramps | coming back to life |
| 22:55.15 | asterismo_l | it turns on display, but i see corrupted graphics |
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| 22:55.21 | badcoder | hello |
| 22:55.24 | asterismo_l | no mouse or keyboard, no tty |
| 22:55.31 | asterismo_l | freeze |
| 22:55.35 | mrkramps | asterismo_l, but it wakes up again? |
| 22:55.37 | asterismo_l | i have to power cycle |
| 22:55.52 | mrkramps | asterismo_l, or is this the same result than with systemd? |
| 22:55.53 | asterismo_l | if you call it wake up |
| 22:56.02 | asterismo_l | the same |
| 22:56.16 | badcoder | I am trying to disable suspend on my laptop. For that I am following : https://wiki.debian.org/Suspend . When I set HandleLidSwitch*=ignore nothing happens and the computer suspends regardless. Suggestions? |
| 22:56.18 | mrkramps | asterismo_l, ok then most probably the nouveau(fb) module has issues |
| 22:56.33 | mrkramps | NOOOOOOO |
| 22:56.34 | asterismo_l | can i disable nouveau graphics? |
| 22:56.58 | mrkramps | asterismo_l, i already suggested doing this ⦠for further debugging your issue |
| 22:57.10 | asterismo_l | how i disable it? |
| 22:57.17 | mrkramps | asterismo_l, blacklist the modules |
| 22:57.27 | asterismo_l | where? |
| 22:57.36 | mrkramps | https://wiki.debian.org/KernelModuleBlacklisting |
| 22:57.38 | badcoder | WTF if you disable neauvou you don't get graphics card driver |
| 22:57.41 | badcoder | wtf don't do it |
| 22:57.47 | badcoder | not unless you have a substitute |
| 22:58.24 | mrkramps | eh, i'd expect something VESA compatible then |
| 22:58.35 | asterismo_l | i could try without gui and see |
| 22:58.56 | mrkramps | asterismo_l, you're running X i guess? |
| 22:59.58 | mrkramps | badcoder, you've run service restart or reboot after changes in config? |
| 23:00.27 | mrkramps | badcoder, and uncommented the config lines? |
| 23:00.55 | badcoder | mrkramps: rebooted and yes I have uncommented LOL |
| 23:01.31 | badcoder | Debian 11 |
| 23:01.36 | mrkramps | badcoder, don't laugh ⦠this happened ;) |
| 23:01.58 | badcoder | HandleLidSwitch=ignore |
| 23:01.58 | badcoder | HandleLidSwitchExternalPower=ignore |
| 23:01.58 | badcoder | HandleLidSwitchDocked=ignore |
| 23:02.06 | badcoder | the only stuf I have uncommented |
| 23:02.18 | mrkramps | hm, always worked for me |
| 23:03.45 | badcoder | to me the crucial thing is to AVOID SUSPEND AT ALL COST |
| 23:03.52 | badcoder | and instead HIBERNATE THE MACHINE |
| 23:04.19 | badcoder | but maybe that is too much to ask in the 21st century for an os |
| 23:04.19 | mrkramps | badcoder, insteadt of "ignore" you could go "hibernate" then |
| 23:04.34 | badcoder | mrkramps: I tried that before, thats why I am trying ignore first |
| 23:04.35 | badcoder | lol |
| 23:04.53 | mrkramps | yeah, this suspend and hibernation thing in linux ⦠i know |
| 23:06.43 | mrkramps | badcoder, do you have an external monitor attached and a nvidia gpu? |
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| 23:09.34 | badcoder | mrkramps: nope |
| 23:09.46 | mrkramps | badcoder, which desktop environment? |
| 23:10.07 | badcoder | KDE |
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| 23:10.44 | mrkramps | badcoder, you're sure KDE power management is not overriding logind conf? |
| 23:11.17 | badcoder | mrkramps: no, LOL?! HOw they hell would I be able to know that?! |
| 23:11.40 | mrkramps | badcoder, dunno ⦠you're using KDE ^^ |
| 23:11.50 | badcoder | this shit comes with fucking debian |
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| 23:12.01 | badcoder | I guessed ppl here would know |
| 23:12.44 | asterismo_l | mrkramps, yoe i'm running X |
| 23:13.35 | mrkramps | badcoder, check the power maagement settings in KDE pls |
| 23:13.40 | badcoder | it was |
| 23:13.44 | badcoder | it fucking was |
| 23:13.55 | badcoder | it was set to "power off the screen when lid is closed" |
| 23:14.10 | mrkramps | badcoder, well ⦠did not take to long to figure it out. i'd call it a victory then ^^ |
| 23:14.30 | badcoder | not so fast cowboy |
| 23:14.33 | badcoder | lets test it |
| 23:15.05 | mrkramps | fingers crossed |
| 23:15.54 | mrkramps | darn, not looking too good |
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| 23:17.07 | mrkramps | asterismo_l, tried blacklisting nouveau yet? |
| 23:17.22 | asterismo_l | yes |
| 23:17.39 | asterismo_l | it does not work, i got a lower resolution, fine |
| 23:17.54 | asterismo_l | but after resuming, it does not shows the desktop |
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| 23:18.33 | mrkramps | asterismo_l, black screen, no tty? |
| 23:18.59 | asterismo_l | yes |
| 23:19.58 | asterismo_l | black screen and no tty |
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| 23:22.35 | asterismo_l | will try blacklist + kernel 3.16 |
| 23:23.40 | mrkramps | asterismo_l, you could also try the other way and update kernel from backports to 5.9 |
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| 23:30.36 | asterismo_l | also, echo "mem" | sudo tee /sys/power/state not working... |
| 23:31.19 | mrkramps | i am out of ideas |
| 23:32.06 | asterismo_l | will try kernel 5.9 |
| 23:32.15 | asterismo_l | chipset is intel 82860 |
| 23:32.30 | asterismo_l | in BIOS i have a S1 or S3 state |
| 23:32.30 | mrkramps | well, you could - just maybe - try to ssh into the system after wake up and try to force 'xrandr --auto' on DISPLAY |
| 23:32.39 | asterismo_l | which i have to set? |
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| 23:34.01 | asterismo_l | the same happens with thee graphic cards, nVidia Riva TNT2 32MB AGP, nVidia Quadro FX 32MB AGP and nVidia FX5200 256MB PCI |
| 23:34.46 | mrkramps | asterismo_l, after blacklisting nouveau the graphics card should not - at least most probably not - be an issue |
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| 23:37.54 | mrkramps | asterismo_l, S1 is standby and S3 suspend to ram ⦠try whatever you've not tried yet |
| 23:39.28 | epsilon | nVidia Riva TNT2 32MB AGP <--- geez, classic |
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| 23:50.40 | asterismo_l | well, i cannot get back to correct resolution |
| 23:50.53 | asterismo_l | i whitelisted again nouveai |
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| 23:50.59 | asterismo_l | i see it in lsmod |
| 23:51.11 | asterismo_l | but resolution is still low |
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| 23:51.30 | asterismo_l | and xrandr fails on obtaining size and gamma of output defaulr |
| 23:51.30 | aypea[0] | does anyone know of a flac player for linux that treats full cd flacs as seperate tracks if they are encoded for it? audacious is not it. |
| 23:52.47 | mrkramps | asterismo_l, and you rebooted after whitelisting? |
| 23:53.05 | asterismo_l | yes |
| 23:53.16 | asterismo_l | and i did depmod -ae and update-initramfs -u |
| 23:54.21 | asterismo_l | how can i get back to normal? |
| 23:55.53 | mrkramps | asterismo_l, tty resolution or just X? |
| 23:56.15 | asterismo_l | X |
| 23:56.25 | mrkramps | asterismo_l, which wm / de? |
| 23:56.32 | asterismo_l | LXDE |
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| 23:56.51 | mrkramps | asterismo_l, there should be a display setting |
| 23:56.54 | mrkramps | arandr? |
| 23:57.38 | mrkramps | lxrandr |
| 23:58.05 | asterismo_l | yes, but monitor does not have the original resolutions |
| 23:58.13 | mrkramps | oO |
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| 23:58.43 | asterismo_l | how do i load nouveau module? |
| 23:59.06 | mrkramps | asterismo_l, in general (after removing blacklist) just reboot |
| 23:59.20 | mrkramps | and i know, you've done that |
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