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| 00:50.10 | nwm | is it considered a bug if a package won't install due to: System has not been booted with systemd as init system (PID 1). Can't operate? |
| 00:50.54 | nwm | iirc this was with dkms-spl or dkms-zfs |
| 00:51.19 | rk4 | did it have that as a dep |
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| 01:09.15 | sponix | nwm: I have a wild feeling you are seeing that because you are running SysV init with MX Linux and not actual Debian -- Yes, it is common on MX Linux to see that |
| 01:10.01 | nwm | running within a chroot |
| 01:11.08 | sponix | nwm: oh.. well you need to lead with that part next time :) |
| 01:11.39 | sponix | not sure if you can do kernel modules inside a chroot as it is using the same kernel that is "outside" |
| 01:11.55 | nwm | it detects the kernel installed within the chroot |
| 01:12.00 | nwm | iirc anyways |
| 01:15.22 | rk4 | why would you install a kernel module package in a chroot? |
| 01:16.40 | nwm | how does debootstrap do this? |
| 01:17.37 | nwm | rk4 it's a container but the idea is to codify infra to net boot from |
| 01:18.06 | rk4 | curious |
| 01:18.36 | nwm | e.g. build container, rsync -> nfs server w/ commit hash as dir and IPXE boot w/ dhcp option to pass hash dir to boot from |
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| 01:20.41 | nwm | somewhat easy to do except the kernel module issue |
| 01:23.10 | sponix | sounds like a pretty complex setup to me ;) |
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| 01:27.32 | mrkramps | internet says this behaviour is normal |
| 01:28.04 | mrkramps | container requires some hacks to get it working properly |
| 01:31.00 | maxtim | I was thinking today about creating a database server so various local lab web apps can access them, rather than storing the dbs on the local vm. So I can setup a debian server running both postgresql and mariadb. is this a bad idea, is this a rabbit hole worth investigating? |
| 01:32.10 | maxtim | I was thinking about high availability and how I might simulate that in my lab environment |
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| 01:33.41 | mrkramps | maxtim, you mean like a central database server? |
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| 01:33.57 | maxtim | ah that's a good for it mrkramps |
| 01:34.24 | maxtim | good word for it* |
| 01:34.34 | abrotman | maxtim: you can use both on the same system as long as the system has the resources |
| 01:35.29 | maxtim | yes, but lets say multiple instances accessing the same database... |
| 01:35.51 | maxtim | so wordpress i think is an easy enough example |
| 01:36.53 | mrkramps | it's just a matter of server performance |
| 01:36.53 | maxtim | let's say i have two wp on separate vms, pointing to the same central database. That would work? or would that create issues within the db |
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| 01:37.25 | mrkramps | the qp instances would probably use different tables |
| 01:37.30 | mrkramps | s/qp/wp/ |
| 01:38.07 | maxtim | well, they're the same since they would both be pointed to by haproxy |
| 01:41.17 | mrkramps | i'd expect this to be no issue |
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| 01:42.00 | maxtim | interesting. I might give this a whirl. Thanks |
| 01:42.40 | mrkramps | maxtim, but i have to admit i am no database guy at all |
| 01:42.42 | abrotman | maxtim: you're limited by the system, not running two DB systems |
| 01:42.52 | abrotman | I've done it, it's possible |
| 01:43.09 | abrotman | I think I have a system at work running mysql, pgsql, couchbase |
| 01:43.27 | abrotman | well, mariadb, not mysql .. but whatever |
| 01:44.25 | maxtim | abrotman, what's a decent breakpoint? like, at what point user accessing versus system hardware do things start to breakdown? |
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| 01:52.39 | abrotman | maxtim: There are a lot of factors you need to consider. On that particular box, couchbase is doing transactions, pgsql is doing analytical things. you'll need to set them both up, and abuse them to see how it goes |
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| 01:54.05 | mrkramps | maxtim, it's probably easier to answer what hardware is required for the targeted maximum db requests |
| 01:55.20 | maxtim | I don't think I could ever break these in lab, but I'll try my hardest. Although I think the hardware wouldn't be particularly amazing either. So we'll see what happens. |
| 01:57.18 | mrkramps | let's just say as long as it is not a raspberry pi you'll probably be fine |
| 01:59.20 | abrotman | there are DB benchmark tools |
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| 02:03.44 | abrotman | judd: info sysbench |
| 02:03.45 | judd | No package named 'sysbench' was found in buster/amd64. |
| 02:03.58 | abrotman | oh, it's in bullseye I guess |
| 02:04.23 | mrkramps_ | it's also in backports |
| 02:04.33 | abrotman | judd: versions sysbench |
| 02:04.34 | judd | Package: sysbench on amd64 -- jessie: 0.4.12-1.1; stretch: 0.4.12-1.2; buster-backports: 1.0.18+ds-1~bpo10+1; bullseye: 1.0.20+ds-1; sid: 1.0.20+ds-1 |
| 02:04.37 | abrotman | wheeeee |
| 02:13.10 | edlou | happy holiday folks |
| 02:13.13 | edlou | hope you are all doing well |
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| 02:32.54 | DDDD | Is there anyway to install aclocal 1.14 on buster? Trying to compile a legacy application that seems to need it |
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| 02:34.23 | phogg | DDDD: automake is pretty good about backwards compatibility. What error are you getting? |
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| 02:46.05 | DDDD | phogg, CDPath="${ZSH_VERSION+.} && cd . && /bin/bash /home/d/teraforma-src/missing aclocal-1.14 -I m4 |
| 02:46.16 | DDDD | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:46.52 | DDDD | Guessing the program is hard-confed to use 1.14 for some stupid reason |
| 02:47.08 | sponix | DDDD: what on earth are you attempting to build ? |
| 02:47.28 | phogg | DDDD: could be; try adding a symlink to PATH pointing at your latest aclocal and see what happens |
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| 04:32.49 | stompykins | hello. im wondering if its safe to update to testing yet? i tried updating from stable to testing last week and it ended up removing my entire kde desktop. i reinstalled everything manually but it was still broken. i believe libgcc-8-dev had something to do with it. |
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| 04:46.38 | maxtimbo | so I'm not super familiar with nfs. I've mostly used smb in the past. I have an nfs-server setup to only allow connections to 10.10.0.15, permissions 777. but I want two users on the client to be able to r/w (postgres/mysql). I can't chown, which makes sense... But how should I approach this? |
| 04:47.01 | maxtimbo | also, I don't like the idea of permissions 777 across the nfs share, but I wasn't sure where to go from here... |
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| 05:58.10 | serafeim | hello friends! i'm a centos refugee :) which version of centos you recommend right now of installing for server use? i'll start with non-critical server for now to see how everything works but i'd like the stablest thing possible |
| 05:58.51 | n4dir | which version of centos you ask for? Or was that a typo? |
| 05:59.01 | serafeim | :) |
| 05:59.08 | serafeim | i meant debian of course sorry |
| 05:59.15 | n4dir | well, that is easy: stable |
| 05:59.20 | n4dir | just the default download |
| 05:59.26 | serafeim | oh cool thanks |
| 05:59.50 | n4dir | one thing which is not that clear to people new to debian: You don't mix versions in general |
| 05:59.52 | serafeim | so this seems to be debian 10 ? buster |
| 05:59.57 | n4dir | sounds right. |
| 06:00.09 | serafeim | can you clarify what does that mean ? |
| 06:00.15 | n4dir | so if you use stable, you don't add testing or sid or anything like that. |
| 06:00.25 | n4dir | You can, if you really need, add stable-backports. |
| 06:00.32 | n4dir | Makes sense? |
| 06:00.45 | n4dir | !frankendebian |
| 06:00.45 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. Ask me about <reinstall> |
| 06:00.46 | serafeim | oh yes that's understandable; the same is true for rhel; you don't go from rhel 6 to rhel 7 |
| 06:00.47 | n4dir | ah, that |
| 06:01.12 | n4dir | serafeim: ah, ok then. Just wanted to stress it, as there are some weird how-to's out in the wild |
| 06:01.33 | serafeim | n4dir: well i try to avoid such thigns for server use |
| 06:01.44 | n4dir | well: you can go from say stable to testing, if that is what you want. But you don't mix them |
| 06:01.54 | serafeim | however i have read that there *is* a way to upgrade from one major to the next (i.e from debian 10 to debian 11) |
| 06:01.56 | n4dir | yeah, all good. stable is the way to go |
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| 06:02.19 | n4dir | upgrades from one release to the other usually work fine (from experience or what i hear) |
| 06:02.29 | n4dir | so from stable 10 to stable 11 |
| 06:02.40 | n4dir | but that you can ask then. |
| 06:02.47 | serafeim | cool i'll keep that in mind when it is needed |
| 06:02.54 | n4dir | and people more smart than i am :-) |
| 06:03.09 | serafeim | excellent thank you for the help i'll stick around in case i need any more help in the future |
| 06:03.15 | n4dir | right now it is late in the US and early in Europe, so the channel is not that active |
| 06:03.31 | n4dir | serafeim: good good. Have fun, good luck and all. |
| 06:03.33 | serafeim | yes i'm from greece and it's 8 in the morning right here |
| 06:03.43 | serafeim | n4dir: thank you and happy holidays |
| 06:03.49 | n4dir | :-) you too |
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| 08:09.34 | wrksx | Hey, would there be a way to tar to a remote machine with a user set with rssh shell? |
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| 08:49.29 | stompykins | chckt have you tried disabling it in bios? |
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| 08:51.07 | chckt | stompykins no..will try that too..thank you...any other that need to be checked? |
| 08:52.01 | chckt | stompykins i thought the h/w failure beep is produced by OS itself |
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| 09:19.54 | chckt | stompykins there isn't an option for sound in the Bios Dell A10..i tried disabling the camera as the hardware is not working hoping that would stop the beep...beep still continues |
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| 09:39.06 | wrksx | Checking out backup solutions for backing up multiple server to a centralized backup server |
| 09:39.54 | wrksx | found this page: https://wiki.debian.org/BackupAndRecovery |
| 09:40.59 | wrksx | rdiff-backup and amanda-server looks nice |
| 09:41.16 | wrksx | any recommendation? |
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| 09:44.23 | pasiz | wrksx: syncthing? |
| 09:46.08 | wrksx | pasiz: just googled it, looks like syncing only, not really backup. Can it help retreive accidentally deleted files? |
| 09:46.23 | wrksx | but thanks for the suggestion =) |
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| 09:53.48 | pasiz | wrksx: it does the synchronizing, central server makes the snapshots |
| 09:54.05 | pasiz | could you elaborate, what you are trying to achieve? |
| 09:54.49 | wrksx | basic backup with possibility to retrieve deleted files up to a certain time in the mast, let's say a few weeks |
| 09:56.11 | wrksx | I want to avoid full backup only solutions as it is going to require too much storage |
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| 09:57.32 | pasiz | wrksx: what kind of data, is it fast changing, or maybe live system running? |
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| 10:02.19 | wrksx | pasiz: running system, 10T of data, daily minor changes |
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| 10:05.02 | pasiz | wrksx: filesystem? |
| 10:05.29 | pasiz | where the data is laid |
| 10:05.54 | wrksx | the central backup system or the various places I want to backup |
| 10:06.35 | pasiz | central |
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| 10:15.16 | wrksx | pasiz: this is xfs |
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| 10:41.45 | chckt78 | isn't there anyway to stop the hardware beep sound? tried removing the modules and blacklisting |
| 10:48.31 | madage | 26 |
| 10:48.40 | tarzeau | chckt78: in x or console? |
| 10:48.52 | tarzeau | chckt78: if it's desktop you cut the cable, if it's laptop it's trickier |
| 10:49.02 | tarzeau | duct tape on the pc speaker also helps |
| 10:49.16 | tarzeau | xset and setterm are your options software wise |
| 10:50.19 | chckt78 | tarzeau its laptop..and its too old..i might break something if i open it and cut the beeper |
| 10:50.41 | chckt78 | i've tried xset and setterm in bashrc but still beep exist |
| 10:52.49 | nkuttler | chckt78: you can blacklist the pcspkr module |
| 10:53.01 | chckt78 | nkuttler tried that too |
| 10:53.06 | nkuttler | chckt78: er, did you reboot after that? |
| 10:53.12 | pasiz | wrksx: https://rsnapshot.org/ |
| 10:53.40 | chckt78 | nkuttler https://termbin.com/lr33i yes rebooted after that |
| 10:53.55 | tarzeau | but did you check if it worked, lsmod |grep pcspkr ? |
| 10:54.16 | nkuttler | chckt78: huh.. doesn't seem to be the pcspkr then.. |
| 10:54.37 | chckt78 | 2 |
| 10:54.59 | chckt78 | tarzeau yes the module is not listed after removing..and rebooting...but beep exists |
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| 10:55.19 | nkuttler | chckt78: no idea then, this has always worked for me |
| 10:55.22 | tarzeau | if beeps when you press backspace at a prompt in console? |
| 10:55.31 | tarzeau | nkuttler: also for me, and using screen has a visual bell |
| 10:55.33 | chckt78 | the thing is that this beep doesn't exist in windows os if i switch |
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| 10:55.51 | tarzeau | chckt78: ah so it's in x11 or wayland, and not in console, and not by hardware but some sound playing |
| 10:55.54 | quadrathoch2 | sounds like a system sound then |
| 10:56.32 | chckt78 | yeh..5 beeps interval continuous...but sounds like a cpu beep though |
| 10:56.46 | chckt78 | *hw beep |
| 10:57.35 | quadrathoch2 | when do the 5 beeps come up? |
| 10:58.17 | chckt78 | quadrathoch2 after the login lightDM window shows up |
| 10:58.38 | chckt78 | i tried using the tty1 by switching from here...but the beep is continous |
| 10:58.57 | quadrathoch2 | hm this sounds really like a pcspkr thing, but if you said you turned of the module :/ |
| 10:58.57 | tarzeau | it keeps beeping? sensors show overheating? |
| 10:59.02 | tarzeau | maybe the device tries to tell you something |
| 10:59.14 | wrksx | pasiz: thx pasiz I've seen that tool mentionned in a few places, will probably test it too |
| 11:00.49 | chckt78 | quadrathoch2 yes the modules removed and rebooted.. tarzeau yes it keeps beeping...it might be h/w related because it showed up after i hit the laptop upside down to remove those ants under the keypad :( |
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| 11:01.38 | chckt78 | i've disabled the camera in BIOS as it the h/w is already failed...but still no luck.. |
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| 11:05.21 | chckt78 | Dec 22 14:35:33 localhost kernel: [ 25.370225] r8169 0000:05:00.0: Direct firmware load for rtl_nic/rtl8168e-2.fw failed with error -2 |
| 11:05.35 | chckt78 | ^ is the last available error in messages |
| 11:05.52 | quadrathoch2 | that wouldn't incur a beep :/ |
| 11:05.57 | chckt78 | yeh |
| 11:06.06 | quadrathoch2 | ,file rtl_nic/rtl8168e-2.fw |
| 11:06.11 | judd | Search for rtl_nic/rtl8168e-2.fw in buster/amd64: firmware-realtek: lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8168e-2.fw |
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| 11:11.42 | chckt78 | judd installed firmware-realtek via apt |
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| 11:12.27 | quadrathoch2 | judd is a bot chckt78 :) |
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| 11:12.46 | chckt78 | oops..sorry |
| 11:13.11 | chckt78 | thanks quadrathoch2 installed firmware-realtek via apt |
| 11:13.58 | quadrathoch2 | chckt78 does the firmware load now? ^^ |
| 11:14.23 | chckt78 | quadrathoch2 Dec 22 16:41:23 localhost NetworkManager[802]: <info> [1608635483.5582] manager: kernel firmware directory '/lib/firmware' changed |
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| 11:15.19 | quadrathoch2 | still, not an error. so does that work at least now? chckt78 |
| 11:15.32 | chckt78 | https://termbin.com/u8747 is the grep of err in messages |
| 11:16.43 | chckt78 | quadrathoch2 yes that does work for that error... |
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| 11:17.20 | quadrathoch2 | hm interesting, so what release are you running? buster? |
| 11:18.42 | quadrathoch2 | chckt78 check if you have accountservice package installed |
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| 11:55.56 | shtrb | ons/ and has the line MimeType=x-scheme-handler/tel. |
| 11:56.43 | Deknos | is there a tool where i can look which packages (in the repository or installed) are fully reproducible? |
| 11:56.53 | Deknos | and packages which are not? |
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| 12:08.37 | killforge | Anyone here know much about the risc-v implementation of debian? |
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| 12:12.08 | Ede|Popede | killforge: there seem to be #debian-riscv on OFTC |
| 12:12.20 | Ede|Popede | just for the case |
| 12:13.36 | killforge | thanking you, Ede ^_^ |
| 12:14.26 | killforge | lol a whole 3 people including me :D |
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| 12:14.55 | Ede|Popede | oh lol, so not really popular? |
| 12:15.12 | Ede|Popede | maybe wait until Wintel finally will kill x86 for free software *g* |
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| 12:18.35 | Ede|Popede | seems unofficial anyway? https://wiki.debian.org/SupportedArchitectures |
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| 13:00.37 | ws2k3 | i installed zookeeper on my system. but now im getting this error. java.lang.OutOfMemoryError: GC overhead limit exceeded im trying to find where this is defined howmuch memory is is allowed to use so i can change it. anyone got an idea? |
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| 13:08.45 | chckt | still beeping :( |
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| 13:09.34 | mrkramps | what's beepin? |
| 13:09.53 | chckt | ws2k3 you can specify the heap size in zookeeper java parameters..not sure of the exact file but i think google will help |
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| 13:10.31 | ws2k3 | chckt: i already tryed googling but that did not help much. is there a default that you know of? |
| 13:10.33 | chckt | mrkramps the OS is giving continuous beep sound irrespective of what i do |
| 13:10.52 | chckt | i mean removing the pcspkr modules and blacklisting and all |
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| 13:11.52 | Mister00X | chckt: are you sure that the beep is not caused by the bios or grub configuration? |
| 13:11.57 | mrkramps | chckt, is it during boot or while system is fully running? |
| 13:12.54 | chckt | Mister00X yes...because this beep is not in windows OS when i switch mrkramps after the lightDM login pops after boot |
| 13:13.07 | chckt | and continues during the entire running time |
| 13:13.21 | mrkramps | ok, that's a weird one |
| 13:14.21 | chckt | @ws2 |
| 13:15.01 | chckt | ws2k3 https://support.datafabric.hpe.com/s/article/How-to-change-the-max-heap-size-of-zookeeper?language=en_US not sure this is allowed in this channel but thats the first result i got in google..which specifies the mem limit |
| 13:15.06 | mrkramps | chckt, you tried 'xset b off' already? |
| 13:15.21 | chckt | mrkramps yes tried that in .bashrc |
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| 13:16.50 | mrkramps | chckt, can you actually confirm this like being the pc speaker beep? |
| 13:17.16 | mrkramps | i mean blacklisting in linux would make no difference if it would be a BIOS warning |
| 13:17.54 | chckt | but if its a bios warning should be there in winOS too right? |
| 13:18.18 | mrkramps | chckt, probably |
| 13:18.43 | mrkramps | but just in case, have you checked your mainboard's beep codes? |
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| 13:22.17 | chckt | mrkramps yes the 5 beep interval goes to the CMOS battery..that might be a reason...but isn't there any method to turn it off other than unplugging the h/w beeper...also why isn't it beeping in Windows..that's what confuses me...there is every chance its a CMOS issue coz the time is not getting synced in Windows OS ...but date and time works in |
| 13:22.17 | chckt | Debian |
| 13:22.46 | mrkramps | ntp |
| 13:23.00 | chckt | ah yes |
| 13:23.44 | mrkramps | simple thing, if you can stop the beep by unplugging your pc speaker hardwware it is a bios issue |
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| 13:24.18 | mrkramps | if it is still beeping w/o pc speaker we'll have a linux issue |
| 13:24.30 | chckt | the thing is that its a laptop and 2011 model ...not sure if i break anything while opening up |
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| 13:25.07 | mrkramps | chckt, check ifixit for a disassembly howto |
| 13:26.09 | mrkramps | you might need one anyway if you have to replace cmos bat |
| 13:27.30 | chckt | mrkramps got it...will try that...actually i don't mind the time not getting synced...but can't work with this beep using headphone..lol |
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| 13:33.56 | mrkramps | chckt, another idea ⦠is your laptop battery ok? |
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| 13:35.32 | Surfer2011 | hello, i need help, i cannot install the kernal header (linux-headers-4.19.0-0.bpo.2-amd64) i got to this problem because i wanted to run wireduard, can someone help me? |
| 13:36.32 | mrkramps | Surfer2011, is it debian 9? |
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| 13:36.49 | Surfer2011 | i think so |
| 13:37.08 | mrkramps | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 13:37.27 | Surfer2011 | 9.13 |
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| 13:37.59 | mrkramps | kernel bpo2 is not in backports, should be bpo9 |
| 13:38.25 | mrkramps | i'd say update kernel and install headers accordingly |
| 13:38.51 | Surfer2011 | so how would i do this? (apt-get install linux-headers-4.19.0-0.bpo.9-amd64 linux-image-4.19.0-0.bpo.9-amd64)? |
| 13:39.20 | mrkramps | install linux-image-amd64 and linux-headers-amd64 from backports |
| 13:39.49 | mrkramps | !backports |
| 13:39.49 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 13:40.34 | mrkramps | apt will need additional switch "-t stretch-backports" |
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| 13:41.40 | Surfer2011 | so it is apt install -t strech-backports install linux-image-amd64 |
| 13:42.01 | mrkramps | Surfer2011, one "install" will do |
| 13:42.12 | Surfer2011 | just don't want to break anything since updating the kernal isn't just like any update is it |
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| 13:42.49 | Surfer2011 | E: The value 'strech-backports' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the sources |
| 13:43.08 | mrkramps | Surfer2011, look again ⦠|
| 13:43.16 | mrkramps | "streTch" |
| 13:43.19 | n4dir | if anything than the kernel is like any other update. |
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| 13:43.32 | n4dir | as the old kernel doesn't get removed while doing it |
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| 13:43.45 | Surfer2011 | linux-image-amd64 is already the newest version (4.19+105+deb10u4~bpo9+1). |
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| 13:44.09 | chckt | mrkramps yes..actually laptop battery is replaced recently with a non-original model ...but haven't got this issue as its been few weeks after replacement |
| 13:45.08 | mrkramps | chckt, good ⦠was just a thought |
| 13:45.16 | Surfer2011 | E: Unable to locate package linux-headers-4.19.0-0.bpo.8-amd64 |
| 13:45.28 | Surfer2011 | why is it 8 and not 9 ? |
| 13:45.41 | chckt | mrkramps :+1: |
| 13:46.17 | mrkramps | Surfer2011, you restarted after last kernel upgrade? |
| 13:46.26 | mrkramps | check kernel version running: uname -a |
| 13:46.41 | Surfer2011 | i did it is 8 and no ... not restarted yet |
| 13:46.48 | Surfer2011 | i will restart first ^^ |
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| 13:47.24 | jelly | ,kernels |
| 13:47.25 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 5.10.0-rc7-686-pae (5.10~rc7-1~exp1); sid: 5.9.0-5-686 (5.9.15-1); bullseye: 5.9.0-4-686-pae (5.9.11-1); buster-backports: 5.9.0-0.bpo.2-686 (5.9.6-1~bpo10+1); buster: 4.19.0-13-686-pae (4.19.160-2); stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.9-686-pae (4.19.118-2+deb10u1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.19.0-0.bpo.13-686 (4.19.160-2~deb9u1); jessie-backports: |
| 13:47.27 | judd | 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.12-686 (4.9.210-1+deb9u1~deb8u1) |
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| 13:48.41 | Frenn_ | Php (fpm) with apache2 don't respect my setuig and upload file with www-data:www-data, any idea how i can make respecting the setguid +s ? |
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| 13:49.27 | jak2000 | hi all |
| 13:49.46 | jelly | Frenn_, setuid or setgid? Where did you put said setuid or setgid on? What are you trying to accomplish? |
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| 13:50.57 | jelly | Frenn_, it's not hard to make an fpm pool run as a completely different user instead of www-data |
| 13:51.06 | Frenn_ | jelly: setgid (+s) on all parrent directory, like this if I touch, or creat it will have user:www-data one /home/public_html. It's working except with php that don't respect that |
| 13:51.30 | Frenn_ | jelly: yeah i know but that's not a correct way to do things |
| 13:52.24 | jelly | I think running a separate pool for each web page and each user is probably the sanest thing to do. |
| 13:52.46 | Frenn_ | jelly: what do you mean by "pool" ? |
| 13:53.08 | jak2000 | i have a crontab task that copy every day at 5:00 10 5 * * * /usr/scripts/cpsql.sh see more details /usr/scripts/cpsql.sh not run... not copy if i run manually it copy OK (Note the serves was sync with ssh keys, no problem... any advice? how to check what happend? |
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| 13:55.43 | jelly | Frenn_, /etc/php/7.3/fpm/pool.d has one or more config files, defining one or more fpm process "pools" that can run as different users. Typically each VirtualHost would have its own .conf there |
| 13:55.58 | Frenn_ | jelly: ah nice |
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| 14:03.23 | jak2020 | jelly any advice? :) |
| 14:03.42 | jelly | jak2020, doing something else, sorry |
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| 14:10.26 | chckt | mrkramps update: this is now my blacklisted modules.. and now no beeps (obviously no sound too as all sound modules is there i guess ) https://termbin.com/681x |
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| 14:11.09 | mrkramps | chckt, hm ⦠system sounds going crazy oO |
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| 14:13.07 | chckt | mrkramps any idea of the particular module that can be disabled ..or need to proceed with all reboots changing the modules in that list..i just know the soundcore and snd |
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| 14:15.12 | mrkramps | chckt, the confusing thing is you already removed pcspkr. so, whatever is beeping it's not this and probably not BIOS |
| 14:15.39 | mrkramps | because BIOS should - afaik - completely ignore linux's settings |
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| 14:15.59 | chckt | yes |
| 14:16.12 | mrkramps | chckt, which desktop environment are you running? |
| 14:16.27 | chckt | Xfce |
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| 14:19.26 | chckt | mrkramps i'll remove pcspkr soundcore snd and snd_timer...because these were already tried in that list...i've even removed the alsa and pulseaudio |
| 14:20.00 | mrkramps | chckt, stupid question but have you actually tried just muting sound in xfce? |
| 14:20.44 | chckt | mrkramps actually i tried lowering the volume but not mute..oops :-/ |
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| 14:53.55 | chckt | mrkramps got the module snd_hda_intel ..enable this and all sound and comes the beep |
| 14:54.27 | chckt | its soundcard |
| 14:54.44 | mrkramps | chckt, and you can mute it normally? |
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| 14:54.59 | mrkramps | like mute sound in volume control and beep is gone? |
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| 14:55.48 | mrkramps | i'd expect this to work |
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| 14:56.12 | mrkramps | as well as using the PA volume manager (pavucontrol) to disable system sounds |
| 14:56.23 | chckt | mrkramps muted playback system sound and AudioPCserver...the other audio gets muted...but the beep is still there with same volume level |
| 14:56.35 | mrkramps | the fuck is this oO |
| 14:56.37 | chckt | i'm using pulseaudio |
| 14:57.22 | chckt | fuckedup in beeps |
| 14:57.36 | mrkramps | chckt, is the package 'sound-theme-freedesktop' installed? |
| 14:58.15 | chckt | sound-theme-freedesktop/stable,stable,now 0.8-2 all [installed,automatic] freedesktop.org sound theme |
| 14:58.40 | mrkramps | chckt, go to /usr/share/sounds/freedesktop/stereo and check if it is one of the sound filed |
| 14:58.47 | mrkramps | s/filed/files/ |
| 15:00.14 | chckt | mrkramps https://termbin.com/yl3hc bell.oga? |
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| 15:00.40 | mrkramps | chckt, you can use a regular audioplayer to play them |
| 15:00.50 | mrkramps | you have to tell me which one sounds similar :D |
| 15:01.10 | chckt | mrkramps wow..lol.. |
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| 15:06.29 | chckt | mrkramps sound somewhat similar to alarm_elapsed..but its not that....this sound is exactly like a h/w beep |
| 15:06.53 | chckt | not listed in there |
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| 15:10.43 | mrkramps | hm hm hm ⦠something in /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf ? |
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| 15:12.11 | chckt | yesautologin-guest=falseautologin-user=cybesautologin-user-timeout=0 |
| 15:12.20 | chckt | sorry |
| 15:13.05 | chckt | yes..the autologin-guest=false autologin-user=cybes autologin-user-timeout=0 these are enabled |
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| 15:19.45 | chckt | mrkramps yes its lightdm.. commented out these lines and reloaded and its like intermittent now...but if i play something youtube its coming back |
| 15:20.48 | mrkramps | chckt, so you do not have it before loggin into your desktop session |
| 15:20.48 | chckt | mrkramps let me try without the DM |
| 15:21.37 | chckt | mrkramps the beep came after loading the soundcard in booting and in the login session |
| 15:21.51 | chckt | *right after |
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| 15:32.39 | chckt | mrkramps cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager /usr/sbin/nodm but the beep exists |
| 15:33.09 | mrkramps | chckt, do you have other sound themes installed in /usr/share/sounds ? |
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| 15:33.42 | chckt | alsa freedesktop |
| 15:33.57 | chckt | oops..i'll remove alsa |
| 15:34.11 | chckt | i'll check the sounds..sorry |
| 15:34.13 | mrkramps | there's no beep sound in alsa |
| 15:34.30 | mrkramps | just test noise |
| 15:34.51 | chckt | no its not that |
| 15:35.46 | chckt | but i think its really related with DM as when reloading the lightdm after commenting out the conf resulted in beep halt...unless i play an audio |
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| 15:36.47 | mrkramps | chckt, but the lines referring to autologin |
| 15:37.16 | mrkramps | means it will not start in DM but desktop session |
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| 15:38.13 | mrkramps | except when it also beeps when initializing sound on boot!? oO |
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| 15:40.57 | mrkramps | chckt, well ⦠does your laptop has a real pc speaker? |
| 15:41.03 | chckt | mrkramps yes..on boot i mean after loading the kernel and right after loading the sound card (like restore and sound) |
| 15:41.43 | chckt | mrkramps no..the real speaker is unplugged...as it had a h/w issue earlier |
| 15:42.03 | chckt | using headphone input device |
| 15:42.12 | chckt | *output |
| 15:42.33 | mrkramps | chckt, could you tell me the exact model of laptop pls? |
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| 15:42.45 | chckt | Dell Vostro 3550 |
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| 15:49.12 | chckt | changing trying gdm3..will logout in between |
| 15:49.21 | mrkramps | kk |
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| 15:53.41 | chckt | returns with beep on gdm3 |
| 15:55.51 | chckt | mrkramps but how did that beep stop after reloading the lightdm...it was like beep comes only after playing an audio...it stops automatically...then again after playing the audio...this was the event after lightdm reload |
| 15:56.35 | mrkramps | chckt, just a theory, but if this laptop has no pc speaker BIOS might use sound card for beeps |
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| 15:57.16 | mrkramps | i cannot find information about real pc speaker hardware on this mainboard |
| 15:57.52 | chckt | mrkramps if so then the Win too should give this beep right if its by the BIOS |
| 15:58.22 | mrkramps | chckt, i'd expect windows to to so |
| 15:58.46 | mrkramps | but as the beep code indicates CMOS bat failing that's still a valid thing to check |
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| 15:59.24 | converge | I have the /etc/keyboard/default but it only start working after this command: "udevadm trigger --subsystem-match=input --action=change" , if I reboot, the keyboard uses the old keyboard setup, any idea how I could fix it? |
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| 16:00.49 | chckt | mrkramps yes..will do that... |
| 16:01.29 | chckt | mrkramps is someone working on my sys here...lol..the beep just stopped |
| 16:01.33 | mrkramps | converge, it ist /etc/default/keyboard |
| 16:01.48 | mrkramps | chckt, this is so weird |
| 16:02.42 | converge | mrkramps, you're right, thats also where I did the changes |
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| 16:03.58 | mrkramps | converge, if this is not working try a) sudo dpgk-reconfigure keyboard-configuration |
| 16:04.33 | mrkramps | and b) apply changes by running: systemctl restart console-setup.service |
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| 16:07.00 | chckt | mrkramps please don't find this silly..i really think its those ants....inside the keypad...they are now coming out a bunch |
| 16:07.44 | mrkramps | chckt, this is not silly ⦠it's just - you know - there should be no ants in your keypad |
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| 16:08.15 | mrkramps | there should be no animals whatsoever living in your hardware |
| 16:08.26 | converge | mrkramps, after leave X, and join it again, the change is not reflecting anymore |
| 16:08.34 | chckt | mrkramps yes...i mentioned this earlier here..in this room...like yesterday due to these ants i hit the laptop upside down to remove them...after that the beep sound.. |
| 16:08.53 | converge | steps I did: dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration ; systemctl restart console-setup.service |
| 16:08.58 | mrkramps | chckt, your CMOS bat became losse maybe |
| 16:09.09 | mrkramps | *loose |
| 16:09.25 | Mister00X | doesn't like ants |
| 16:09.32 | chckt | mrkramps probably yes |
| 16:09.40 | mrkramps | converge, have you setup keyboard configuration for X seperately? maybe in your desktop environment? |
| 16:10.02 | chckt | i'm really sorry for this mess... |
| 16:10.15 | mrkramps | chckt, lemme have a look at this mainboard again ... |
| 16:11.08 | mrkramps | yes, i'd say this is pretty much possible |
| 16:11.44 | chckt | mrkramps even the board is chiplevel serviced to remove the inbuild graphics due to vga problem/overheating |
| 16:12.29 | chckt | regrets hitting the old laptop for ants |
| 16:12.34 | mrkramps | definitely disassemble and check if something is loose |
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| 16:13.02 | mrkramps | you could have told me about the ants earlier :D |
| 16:13.40 | converge | mrkramps, I know that the keyboard layout is correct for my Gnome, but using i3wm it doesnt load the correct layout |
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| 16:14.48 | mrkramps | converge, i'd assume setxkbmap does work? |
| 16:16.09 | chckt | mrkramps yes sure...thank you so much..and really sorry for this...actually i mentioned the ants here to some members here ..but not to you...sorry |
| 16:17.12 | converge | mrkramps, it does work, but for some reason i3wm doesnt load it on start. I have it in the i3 setup "exec --no-startup-id setxkbmap -layout us -variant intl" |
| 16:17.24 | chckt | hugs mrkramps |
| 16:17.47 | mrkramps | chckt, you're welcome, no problem ⦠hope you can solve this issue |
| 16:18.28 | mrkramps | converge, are you mixing stuff from gnome with i3? |
| 16:18.28 | chckt | mrkramps yes will do it ..sure thanks again |
| 16:18.58 | converge | mrkramps, not really, I have gnome, but Im moving to i3 |
| 16:20.38 | mrkramps | converge, try setting keyboard layout in ~/.xsession as mentioned in man page |
| 16:20.50 | mrkramps | man page of i3 |
| 16:21.38 | greycat | that assumes you already *have* a ~/.xsession file |
| 16:21.49 | greycat | if you don't, then you probably want to create ~/.xsessionrc instead |
| 16:22.35 | mrkramps | it's xsession not xsessionrc |
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| 16:24.13 | converge | sounds good, Ill give it a try, brb |
| 16:26.09 | greycat | Once again, it's ~/.xsession if you ALREADY have one and are using it. Then you modify that. Otherwise, you would either need to CREATE a whole .xsession file from scratch, to supersede the system default Xsession, or else you would create a ~/.xsessionrc file instead containing JUST the one command you want. |
| 16:26.43 | greycat | https://wiki.debian.org/Xsession |
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| 16:30.19 | shtrb | anyone about the xdg question ? |
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| 16:32.56 | converge | strange thing is that I tried to set "setxkbmap -layout us -variant intl" in ~/.xsession, then ~/.xinitrc , then ~/.xprofile , nothing seems to work |
| 16:33.43 | converge | I dont have /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/* files |
| 16:35.00 | mrkramps | converge, you're starting i3 from a display manager? |
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| 16:35.11 | converge | mrkramps, yes, lightdm |
| 16:35.14 | greycat | .xinitrc is only ever used by startx. .xsession is used by either startx or by a Display Manager in Debian, but it supersedes the system's default Xsession. |
| 16:36.13 | greycat | The commands you run in your .xsession or .xsessionrc will do stuff, but it's possible that i3 (or whatever you run, GNOME, KDE, etc.) may undo those changes and implement their own. |
| 16:37.48 | mrkramps | if you start an i3 session from lightdm those files might be ignored, iirc there should be a plain X session available |
| 16:38.04 | greycat | https://wiki.debian.org/Xsession |
| 16:38.19 | converge | sounds like it, Ill give a try to run setxkbmap on lighdm setup |
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| 16:51.31 | converge | it sounds like some i3wm issue, lightdm keyboard layout is correct, after login into i3, it doesnt load the keyboard setup during initialization |
| 16:52.04 | converge | I added a new shortcut shift+e to load the kboard setup, it works, but it doesnt load during initialization |
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| 17:09.05 | dob1 | can I disable pulseaudio? |
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| 17:11.03 | dvs | dob1: no! you must be deffened! |
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| 17:12.11 | dob1 | sorry I don't kwow what deffened means and I don't find it in translator, it's some kind of slang? |
| 17:13.42 | dvs | dob1: it means "to go deaf". (BTW I'm just kidding) |
| 17:14.06 | dob1 | ah :) |
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| 17:14.41 | dob1 | anyway I am going to test this https://wiki.debian.org/PulseAudio#Disabling_daemon_autospawn |
| 17:15.19 | jmcnaught | What problem are you having with PulseAudio, maybe you could solve it? |
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| 17:18.22 | dob1 | jmcnaught, that I don't need audio, I am connecting via xrdp and I don't need any audio but the pulseaudio process start so I was trying to disable it |
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| 17:21.28 | mrkramps | dob1, you can try uninstalling it completely |
| 17:23.13 | dob1 | it's strage why removing pulseaudio pulseaudio-utils doesn't ask me to remove xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin too? |
| 17:23.37 | mrkramps | nope, there's no dependencies |
| 17:23.57 | wigums | xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin is just a widget |
| 17:24.09 | mrkramps | depends on libpulse0 |
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| 17:25.17 | dob1 | maybe I could try to remove libpulse0 then |
| 17:25.38 | dob1 | not a good idea :) |
| 17:25.43 | mrkramps | could get a bit tricker |
| 17:26.03 | jmcnaught | I would try "systemctl --user disable pulseaudio.service" |
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| 17:26.55 | dvs | Unit pulseaudio.service could not be found. |
| 17:27.12 | dvs | and I have pulseaudio installed |
| 17:27.24 | dob1 | you used --user? |
| 17:27.52 | dob1 | it works in my case, I can stop it via systemct using user as jmcnaught suggest |
| 17:29.56 | dvs | I don't want to disable, just want to see the status and it doesn't work. No biggie. |
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| 17:30.37 | jmcnaught | "systemctl --user status pulseaudio.service" works here |
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| 17:31.14 | jmcnaught | dob1: now that you have it disabled maybe make a note in case you start using that system differently, so your future self will know why audio is not working. |
| 17:31.27 | dvs | Oh? Why do I have to add ".service"? |
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| 17:31.59 | jmcnaught | I just tab completed to service, but there is also a .socket unit. |
| 17:32.00 | dob1 | why if I do just systemct --user status I get "degreded" ? |
| 17:32.08 | dob1 | *degreded |
| 17:32.31 | nidhoegger | Hi. I got a new AMD 6800RX. Is there any way to get these running on bullseye? I already baked a 5.10 kernel and made sure at least mesa 20.02 is installed. But it locks up on boot unless I specify "nomodeset" in grub... |
| 17:32.41 | nidhoegger | also installed newest firmware-linux from git |
| 17:33.04 | nidhoegger | *6900XT, sorry for the typos |
| 17:33.14 | dob1 | ah xfce4-notifyd.service loaded failed failed XFCE notifications service |
| 17:34.08 | sney | nidhoegger: testing support is in #debian-next on OFTC (note, right now you are on freenode), but if you're already using the newest kernel/mesa/firmware then you probably just have to wait for support to improve upstream |
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| 17:35.27 | sney | nidhoegger: amd publishes an 'amdgpu-pro' driver that can sometimes work with debian, it can be annoying to find on their website but the version targeting the latest ubuntu is at least worth a try |
| 17:35.53 | nidhoegger | thank you! |
| 17:36.03 | nidhoegger | will check on the other network, did not know, sorry :) |
| 17:36.41 | sney | you will get the same answer for this issue there, it's more for future reference. |
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| 17:37.58 | nidhoegger | okay, wrote the question anyways, maybe someone got it to run :) I would like to stick with debian if possible |
| 17:38.56 | nidhoegger | and thanks for the answers proivided! |
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| 17:47.18 | unixbsd | hello |
| 17:48.13 | unixbsd | whiciwhich possible software may allow to cut a MP4 video, to make a little cut/modification to mp4/avi videos ? gtk would be best, kde is way too heavy. |
| 17:50.27 | mrkramps | openshot |
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| 17:56.05 | jhutchins | cinelera |
| 17:57.48 | mrkramps | just wondering, is there still video editing software using GTK? |
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| 17:59.17 | jmcnaught | Pitivi is GTK |
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| 17:59.42 | mrkramps | thx |
| 18:00.22 | jmcnaught | So are lives and kino according to aptitude |
| 18:00.56 | unixbsd | kino cannot create mp4 |
| 18:01.28 | GNU\colossus | iirc, avidemux can do that, despite tha name |
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| 18:04.19 | unixbsd | pitivi is 200mb and openshot is 400mb install, both loot of libs |
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| 18:08.42 | unixbsd | pitivi needs either libav or ffmpeg?how to install it=? |
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| 18:09.24 | mrkramps | unixbsd, just install package 'ffmpeg' |
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| 18:09.59 | unixbsd | wasnt ffmpeg replaced by libav? so far pitivi complains to lack an encoder libav. |
| 18:10.23 | mrkramps | ffmpeg was replaced by libav for some time |
| 18:10.36 | unixbsd | what a mess |
| 18:11.04 | sney | libav in buster is from ffmpeg source. |
| 18:11.08 | sney | ,i libavcodec58 |
| 18:11.10 | judd | Package libavcodec58 (libs, optional) in buster/amd64: FFmpeg library with de/encoders for audio/video codecs - runtime files. Version: 7:4.1.6-1~deb10u1; Size: 4690.9k; Installed: 13852k; Homepage: https://ffmpeg.org/ |
| 18:11.27 | unixbsd | libav and ffmpeg are totally different things so far I see |
| 18:11.33 | mrkramps | libav-tools was default in debian 8 and transition back to ffmpeg in 9 |
| 18:12.43 | unixbsd | nope not working |
| 18:12.49 | unixbsd | pitivi cannot read MP4 format |
| 18:13.00 | unixbsd | error code 5: 1 |
| 18:13.25 | unixbsd | MVI...mp4 from camera is not understood by pitivi. well, mp4 is even read by google chromium |
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| 18:14.17 | unixbsd | it is quite funnny |
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| 18:14.30 | jmcnaught | unixbsd: are you on buster? I just installed pitivi and it does not complain about missing libraries, and I was able to put an mp4 on the time line. |
| 18:14.31 | unixbsd | A video editor that cannot read MP4. What's the point? Lol |
| 18:14.46 | unixbsd | I have Camera Canon |
| 18:15.45 | unixbsd | Canon brand new camera have maybe newest mp4 codec. no idea. mplayer can at least. |
| 18:19.39 | mrkramps | mp4 (h264) probably requires gstreamer1.0-plugins-ugly? |
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| 18:22.48 | freem | Hello. Is there is a way for an application to override the VT-switch keys? Like, Alt+Ctrl+F2 |
| 18:24.29 | unixbsd | what do you mean to override? |
| 18:24.35 | unixbsd | there are tool that do so for x11. |
| 18:25.38 | tarzeau | freem: you can map other keys to the commands chvt 1,2,3,4... |
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| 18:26.19 | freem | I'm not actually trying to do it, but to know if one can rely on the fact they work |
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| 18:27.09 | freem | in short, what if some application in fullscreen change their behavior and freeze? |
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| 18:27.45 | freem | chvt is a good track to follow to get informations on the topic, thanks tarzeau |
| 18:28.11 | freem | (except the manpage is... small, really small... well, maybe apropos) |
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| 18:30.32 | Kon | Why does half the Mono stack get semi-timely updates but the XSP components haven't been updated in FIVE years? |
| 18:31.03 | ectospasm | that sounds like an upstream question. |
| 18:31.07 | Kon | Can't even use TLS as the version mismatch in the stack means Mono is looking for an entirely different implementation. The one included with the old XSP has been removed |
| 18:31.13 | Kon | No, upstream has been updated |
| 18:31.27 | Kon | They even provide their own debs |
| 18:32.04 | ectospasm | Ah, then it's Debian not including it in the current stable release. Kon have you tried backports? |
| 18:32.31 | Kon | ectospasm: Even sid has not seen an update in five years. That's the issue |
| 18:32.46 | sney | there are many reasons that this can happen, relicensing conflicts, maintainer MIA, refactor requiring extra unpackaged dependencies, etc |
| 18:33.12 | sney | have you checked the BTS for a "please update package" bug? often that's where you can find an explanation from the maintainer. |
| 18:33.36 | sney | tracker.debian.org is also a good resource for finding out what's going on with a given source package |
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| 18:34.19 | Kon | There's one open bug from 2014 asking for a systemd service |
| 18:35.21 | Kon | Thankfully on that front, modern systemd can pick up and run the service despite it not being "native" systemd |
| 18:36.19 | Kon | Mailing list for the maintainer group is a total 404 https://alioth-lists.debian.net/pipermail/pkg-mono-group/ |
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| 18:37.23 | sney | if you are a mono developer and you can't see any clear reason for the package to be abandoned for 5 years, you may want to try helping to get it updated in debian. |
| 18:37.42 | sney | alioth was taken down a couple years ago and the urls all changed, see https://alioth-lists.debian.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pkg-mono-group for the current one |
| 18:38.15 | Kon | Ah, thank you. I was going to say that 404 was a bit worrying |
| 18:39.42 | Kon | The easy solution of course is to install the repository from Mono. But my system was just upgraded and I wanted to see what was going on with the distro packages. |
| 18:39.55 | Kon | The answer is not much, and now broken on top of it |
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| 18:48.12 | unixbsd | well, openshot is very basic as well. |
| 18:48.23 | unixbsd | it cannot remove the sound and copy another audio |
| 18:48.31 | unixbsd | cinerela is not in repos. |
| 18:48.51 | unixbsd | drawback is that pitini cannot read mp4, but still openshot can read mp4 |
| 18:49.06 | HicksD | you can mute audio on a track if you want to "remove" the sound. |
| 18:49.08 | unixbsd | well, i will do not edit, i can only remove the sound with mencoder and -copy video. |
| 18:50.05 | HicksD | actually I'm thinking of shotcut not openshot. |
| 18:50.15 | HicksD | That's what I've been using recently via the snap package. |
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| 18:56.46 | unixbsd | I have removed the sound with command line: |
| 18:57.20 | unixbsd | ffmpeg -i MVI_Canon.MP4 -vcodec copy -an MVI_Canon-conv.MP4 --- working |
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| 20:39.51 | asterismo | hi, given that i could not make suspend/resuem my PC, i'm digging into another issue with my server and a recent UPS that i bougth, it is a Fry's Electronics USB device that i cannot make it work with NUT |
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| 20:40.42 | pasiz | fried electronics are bad... |
| 20:41.06 | mrkramps | is the UPS on the compatibility list? |
| 20:41.47 | mutante | compatibility with ... the general electric system in the US? |
| 20:41.57 | mrkramps | https://networkupstools.org/stable-hcl.html |
| 20:42.09 | sney | if it's a cheapo usb device that is supposed to be plug-and-play on windows, it may present itself as a laptop-style battery rather than a traditional ups |
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| 20:42.46 | mutante | eh.. this sounds like "winmodems" or some crap.. ok ok |
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| 20:44.25 | freem | maybe fried UPS needs some cooldown |
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| 20:46.35 | mutante | Fry's is pretty good.. not many electronic stores left |
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| 21:11.28 | Devastator | what is the minimum packages to make X work? it is to be used with wine |
| 21:11.51 | shibboleth | uhm, one moment |
| 21:12.06 | sney | xserver-xorg, minus recommends, probably |
| 21:12.21 | sney | and probably some window manager unless you really like twm |
| 21:13.13 | shibboleth | xserver-xorg xserver-xorg-core xserver-xorg-input-evdev xserver-xorg-video-$foo x11-xserver-utils xserver-xorg-input-kbd xserver-xorg-input-mouse xterm xinit |
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| 21:15.05 | shibboleth | that'll take care of basic HID and video output. look at openbox or i3 as a wm |
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| 21:15.37 | Devastator | I don't plan to use wm, just wine |
| 21:15.47 | shibboleth | actually, you can skip the -kbd package, evdev should handle it |
| 21:15.51 | asterismo | mrkramps, what list? |
| 21:15.59 | mrkramps | asterismo, https://networkupstools.org/stable-hcl.html |
| 21:16.05 | Devastator | like wine <program> and it would open X |
| 21:16.20 | greycat | i think you mean "startx wine proggie.exe" |
| 21:16.31 | greycat | you have to run X somehow, after all |
| 21:16.49 | Devastator | greycat whatever works :) so I need startx after all? |
| 21:19.24 | Devastator | apt install xinit did the trick! thanks guys! |
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| 21:21.29 | pasiz | i opened wine without xorg |
| 21:23.17 | greycat | you're saying you logged in on a console, and typed "wine something" at a shell prompt, and it launched a graphical application? |
| 21:23.34 | greycat | but that this only worked AFTER you installed the xinit pkg? |
| 21:25.36 | pasiz | i used corkscrew, no need for xinit |
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| 22:48.30 | ljkimz | Configuring LDAP with libnss-ldap. Found that /etc/ldap.conf needs to be '644' (which exposes connection password to world) so that NSS can access it. Using nscd resolves this issue. There is also 'nslcd'. Why would I use either nscd or nslcd over the other for this purpose? |
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| 22:49.39 | asterismo | hi, i'm trying to make a UPS work with NUT |
| 22:49.48 | mutante | ljkimz: is it not more like "the same user needs to run these or the users need to be in a common group and 640 it" ? |
| 22:50.01 | asterismo | i tried every driver and found that it is detected by two of them |
| 22:52.10 | ljkimz | mutante -- not sure what you are getting at. Is there a single user that nss uses to execute name resolution operations? |
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| 22:54.05 | mutante | ljkimz: just getting at "usually if something needs to be readable by another user you either use the same user or put users in the same group rather than having to make things world-readable". That being said I don't know about nss in specifics. |
| 22:55.13 | ljkimz | Well, no 'normal' user should be able to read a password from any file like ldap.conf. The system should provide a utility (like nscd) to access the file, perform operations and return a result. |
| 22:55.58 | mutante | ljkimz: That sounds like you are argueing against using 644 though |
| 22:56.02 | ljkimz | So any combination of permissions on ldap.conf is not a good solution. It should only be accessible by root or accounts intended for that purpose. |
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| 22:56.12 | ljkimz | Yes |
| 22:56.36 | ljkimz | But mainly in the sense that it allows normal users to read the file. |
| 22:57.34 | mutante | Yea, so.. you can't use an account intended for that purpose? |
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| 22:59.10 | ljkimz | I don't think so. It seems to be the inherent way that nss works. I don't know of a way to specify a dedicated user for accessing the file and executing ldap queries. That's one of the reasons behind nscd and nslcd (to allow root or another user to perform these operations and only give users access to the result, not the operations) |
| 22:59.38 | ljkimz | So, I KNOW that 644 is bad. The question is really why choose nslcd over nscd or vice-versa. |
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| 23:01.54 | mutante | gothca ljkimz, makes sense. But since I don't know the answer to that i'll wait for others. |
| 23:06.37 | mrkramps | ljkimz, if i get this right you optionally run libnss-ldap with nscd ⦠and libnss-ldapD with nslcd |
| 23:07.25 | ljkimz | mrkramps -- OK, I did see one or two websites that IMPLIED that but none say it clearly and explicitly |
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| 23:07.55 | mrkramps | those are two different ldap implementations |
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| 23:10.05 | mrkramps | ljkimz, here's the best advice I can offer: libnss-ldap homepage is down , libnssldapd last release 2019-10-06 |
| 23:11.08 | mrkramps | more info at wiki: https://wiki.debian.org/LDAP/NSS |
| 23:12.41 | abrotman | nscd and nslcd are different IIRC. nscd is for DNS, nslcd is for LDAP? |
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| 23:14.05 | ljkimz | nslcd is definitely for LDAP. However, nscd caches all sorts of nameservice data including users and groups learned from LDAP. I have libnss-ldap+nscd working fine. |
| 23:14.19 | ljkimz | Just curious if nslcd would give me something different or better |
| 23:14.58 | abrotman | ljkimz: I use systems that use both, if that matters |
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| 23:16.45 | freem | If i'm not wrong, nslcd is _required_ by one of the ldap implementations |
| 23:17.03 | freem | it's what does the work, actually, instead of letting the nss/pam modules doing it |
| 23:17.16 | mrkramps | freem, yes by libnss-ldapd |
| 23:17.43 | mrkramps | it's part of the project https://arthurdejong.org/nss-pam-ldapd |
| 23:18.10 | freem | what I mean is, that pam+ldap implementation requires it. Unlike another one that I've seen in debian's repos |
| 23:18.38 | ljkimz | Ok, well that's probably the answer then. libnss-ldap+nscd, libnss-ldapd+nslcd. From what I gather libnss-ldapd is more feature-rich |
| 23:18.42 | ljkimz | @freem |
| 23:19.07 | ljkimz | that's not quite correct. I'm running just fine without nslcd |
| 23:19.32 | ljkimz | pam and nss both get data from ldap just fine |
| 23:19.49 | freem | ljkimz: do you use libpam-ldap, or libpam-ldapd? |
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| 23:23.26 | lithiumpt | hello, anyone familiar with debian's cloud images? what's the difference between genericcloud and nocloud? looking for a image to deploy on a esxi host |
| 23:24.11 | ljkimz | @freem, the non-D version |
| 23:24.19 | freem | this is your answer then. |
| 23:24.34 | freem | the non-d version does all the work in a libpam's plugin |
| 23:24.43 | mrkramps | ljkimz, just from package information, nslcd is only for libnss-ldapd while nscd is more general for LDAP, NIS or NIS+ |
| 23:24.52 | freem | the other one delegates hte work to a daemon. Its a way cleaner paradigm imo |
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| 23:27.21 | mrkramps | s/general/universal/ |
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| 23:33.35 | ljkimz | I agree. Thanks, folks |
| 23:34.43 | mrkramps | you're welcome, good luck |
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| 23:36.31 | greenbagels | Has anyone else had issues with e1000e not working on Intel B460 motherboards? |
| 23:36.59 | greenbagels | For some reason neither the Buster nor Bullseye Alpha 3 install media detects my ethernet card |
| 23:37.12 | mrkramps | greenbagels, nonfree firmware required? |
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| 23:37.44 | greenbagels | For an intel network card? |
| 23:38.09 | greenbagels | It's an i219-V if it helps |
| 23:39.22 | greenbagels | I'm trying Xubuntu 20.10 right now to see if it's any different |
| 23:39.53 | greenbagels | Basically I'm thinking either the motherboard is FUBAR or the chipset is somehow not supported by the mainline kernels that are being shipped |
| 23:40.30 | greenbagels | I might use a usb network adapter to go from buster minimal -> bullseye -> sid and see if the kernel change helps |
| 23:40.33 | mutante | greenbagels: try searching like this: "Linux on Intel B460" and unfortunately that looks not so great |
| 23:40.49 | mutante | "Ubuntu 18 and 20 do not support motherboards using Intel B460 chips" etc... |
| 23:40.49 | greenbagels | mutante: yeah I've not found many results |
| 23:40.52 | mutante | hardware is too new |
| 23:40.58 | greenbagels | I figured as much |
| 23:41.14 | mutante | greenbagels: seems to work on duckduckgo |
| 23:41.35 | greenbagels | Might have to bite the bullet and pick a bleeding edge distro; I'm mostly wondering if the upstream kernel supports it |
| 23:42.13 | greenbagels | The install works fine except for the network adapter |
| 23:42.18 | mutante | or pick the hardware after the distro |
| 23:42.23 | greenbagels | True... |
| 23:43.49 | mrkramps | greenbagels, i'd say the e100e firmware currently does not support I219-V |
| 23:43.58 | mrkramps | see https://github.com/koljah-de/e1000e-dkms-debian/releases/tag/3.8.4 |
| 23:44.00 | greenbagels | mrkramps: e1000e you mean? |
| 23:44.13 | mrkramps | yes, of course |
| 23:46.43 | greenbagels | Hmm okay, I will look into this |
| 23:46.47 | greenbagels | Thanks for the help mrkramps |
| 23:46.53 | mrkramps | you're welcome |
| 23:48.58 | greenbagels | Anything to avoid having to go back to arch... :) |
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| 23:56.14 | mrkramps | greenbagels, kernel 5.10 should probably work ⦠just a matter of time in testing |
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