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| 00:40.34 | BlakesSeven | Hey all. I need some help understanding something. Running Debian 10.7. I installed a murmur server (mumble). I can access the server from another computer on my lan, however, if I attempt to access it via my external address via another computer connected to another network I can't connect to it. However, if I change my port forwarding to another computer also running a mumble server then I am able to access the mumble server. So whatever is |
| 00:40.35 | BlakesSeven | preventing me from accessing the mumble server seems limited to my new Debian 10.7 install. I'm just not sure what it would be when I can access the mumble server from the local network but not from an external network. |
| 00:41.25 | BlakesSeven | The other computer running a mumble server is Debian 9. So I guess something changed that I'm not aware of between the versions? |
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| 00:47.12 | fuxxy | Well, being able to contact the mumble daemon from another machine on the same network rules out a local firewall. The only thing I can think of is some sort of routing or DNS issue (if you use internal DNS) |
| 00:47.45 | fuxxy | what does the firewall use to specify the mumble server? IP? Hostname? |
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| 00:48.39 | BlakesSeven | Yeah that's what I thought. But I literally changed the same port forwarding rule on the router to put to the ip addess of the other mumble server and it work. Port number is the same. |
| 00:48.45 | sney | if something changed between mumble versions in debian it'll probably be listed in: |
| 00:48.48 | sney | !readme.debian |
| 00:48.48 | dpkg | README.Debian (or README.Debian.gz) is a document found in the /usr/share/doc/$packagename/ which explains any Debian specific details in the package's operation or configuration. |
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| 00:49.52 | fuxxy | I doubt mumble would change something as integral as a port number. That's the only change that I can come up with that would have that sort of effect. |
| 00:50.26 | fuxxy | BlakesSeven, are you using a Ubiquiti router perchance? |
| 00:51.17 | BlakesSeven | Fuxxy, no. ddwrt. |
| 00:52.51 | fuxxy | I was reading of an issue with ubiquiti port forwarding redirecting on non-ssl connections. That wouldnt affect you then. |
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| 00:53.48 | fuxxy | I can only think of one defininitive test. Set up your port forward to point to the mumble server, but on a different nearby port. Then, set up a simple listener like tftp on that port and see if you can connect from WAN. |
| 00:56.36 | fuxxy | again, you can connect over LAN, so connectivity to the daemon isnt the issue. You can also point the port forward to another machine, so the port forward itself isnt the issue. The only things left to suspect are RouterFirewall rules and maybe defaultGateway settings on the mumble server host. |
| 00:58.26 | BlakesSeven | I just created a port forward for ssh and pointed to the problem machine. It didn't work. I then changed the port forwarding address to my other machine and can connect to it. |
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| 00:58.46 | BlakesSeven | I'm going to change the ip of the problem machine and see if that does anything. |
| 01:00.20 | fuxxy | I would double check the default gateway of the mumble host. |
| 01:00.59 | fuxxy | verify that you can initiate an outbound connection at least. Something simple like an 'apt update' would suffice, as long as you don't use a proxy. |
| 01:01.16 | Sarcutus | fuxxy: I'm back. My apologies. And I'm still losing my fight with installing Debian. |
| 01:01.43 | Sarcutus | Something about the installer couldn't find any live filesystem images? Weird ... |
| 01:02.12 | Sarcutus | And it seems to forget that my computer has USB ports, including the one it came from |
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| 01:03.24 | mrkramps | Sarcutus, like nothing has changed in the last 24h? |
| 01:03.41 | BlakesSeven | Same behavior. |
| 01:04.08 | BlakesSeven | fuxxy, apt-get update works. |
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| 01:04.54 | BlakesSeven | I've even put the machine in the DMZ. |
| 01:05.12 | BlakesSeven | I think it's something with the machine, not the router. |
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| 01:07.03 | fuxxy | BlakesSeven, that's what I'm thinking as well. Network settings on the mumble server itself. |
| 01:07.39 | BlakesSeven | the ini file looks to be configured correctly. I'll copy it from the working server and see what happens. |
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| 01:08.28 | Sarcutus | mrkramps: Literally nothing. |
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| 01:09.18 | mrkramps | Sarcutus, what kind of hardware are you running - or trying to run? |
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| 01:10.58 | Sarcutus | mrkramps: Acer Aspire A514-52, Crucial 1TB NVMe PCIe, 2tb SanDisk SATA drive, Crucial 16GB memory plus 4GB of memory soldered to the mobo. |
| 01:13.31 | mrkramps | Sarcutus, this model is 2019? 2020? |
| 01:13.58 | Sarcutus | Not sure which. But I got it this year. |
| 01:14.17 | mrkramps | ok, so pretty fresh hardware |
| 01:14.37 | Sarcutus | Yep |
| 01:15.14 | BlakesSeven | no change |
| 01:15.33 | BlakesSeven | I am baffled. |
| 01:15.35 | mrkramps | Sarcutus, you tried nonfree iso for buster 10.7 and also bullseye testing weekly? |
| 01:16.11 | Sarcutus | Bullseye??? I hadn't thought of that ... but yeah, nonfree iso for buster |
| 01:16.28 | mrkramps | Sarcutus, iirc you had some linux running on this device? |
| 01:17.04 | Sarcutus | Oh yeah. My NVMe is chopped to pieces with partitions. I'm running Gentoo at the moment. |
| 01:17.29 | mrkramps | Sarcutus, which was the oldest kernel version working? |
| 01:18.11 | Sarcutus | mrkramps: I'm ... not sure. I don't think any are older than 5.x, now that you mention it. |
| 01:18.37 | mrkramps | Sarcutus, busters 4.19 will be to old most probably |
| 01:18.46 | mrkramps | simple thing, try testing |
| 01:19.15 | Sarcutus | mrkramps: On my way. |
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| 01:21.55 | mrkramps | Sarcutus, a quick search did not come up with a lot results about your laptop ⦠closest thing i could find is Aspire 5 A515-51 |
| 01:22.24 | BlakesSeven | I think I found the problem. |
| 01:23.06 | tomhurn | i use some options to mount ext4 in fstab (nodiratime,noatime,barrier=0), i am trying a script to mount it as read-only using aufs, can i pass the mount options? |
| 01:23.08 | BlakesSeven | I have two nics installed on the system on two different subnets. The default gateway is pointed at the wrong router. |
| 01:23.24 | BlakesSeven | Now. I just gotta figure out how to change that :) |
| 01:24.09 | mrkramps | Sarcutus, just leave it here, in case some of the information applies to your model as well: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Acer_Aspire_5_A515-51G-5072 |
| 01:24.56 | Sarcutus | Thank you much mrkramps |
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| 01:26.44 | tomhurn | basically the mount option is this - mount -t aufs -o "dirs=${rw_mount_point}=rw:${ro_mount_point}=ro" root.union "${rootmnt}" - but if i try adding barrier=0 it says unknown option during boot |
| 01:27.31 | BlakesSeven | And my problem is now solved. Thanks for the help everyone. |
| 01:31.32 | mrkramps | tomhurn, barrier=none? |
| 01:33.02 | tomhurn | mrkramps: i tried the two relevant options barrier=0 and nobarriers, still invalid...btw the (simple) script is here https://www.onlogic.com/company/io-hub/how-to-build-a-read-only-linux-system/ |
| 01:35.04 | mrkramps | tomhurn, this article is from 2009 |
| 01:36.08 | tomhurn | the script works, i just cant get the barriers option to work mounting aufs (it works booting normally) |
| 01:37.02 | tomhurn | i see now barriers is an ext option |
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| 01:40.32 | nifker | What shall I do? https://paste.gg/p/anonymous/73a4d8e72b0a4c2e9ab4b31d063f5c6f |
| 01:40.36 | nifker | this doesnt look well |
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| 01:41.33 | mrkramps | nifker, initial command is missing in paste |
| 01:41.45 | nifker | sudo apt install libelogind |
| 01:42.09 | nifker | bc apt told me it couldnt update the package |
| 01:42.12 | mrkramps | nifker, debian version? |
| 01:42.31 | nifker | "Linux L362 5.9.0-5-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 5.9.15-1 (2020-12-17) x86_64 GNU/Linux" |
| 01:43.10 | mrkramps | testing? |
| 01:43.22 | nifker | bullseye |
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| 01:46.20 | mrkramps | nifker, you're trying to run debian without systemd? |
| 01:49.01 | pfred1 | Devuan |
| 01:49.27 | mrkramps | or MX Linux |
| 01:50.16 | mrkramps | or - iirc - try this with a basic installation only |
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| 02:06.00 | Sarcutus | mrkramps: Still here? |
| 02:06.06 | mrkramps | Sarcutus, pong |
| 02:06.18 | Sarcutus | mrkramps: ping |
| 02:06.20 | Sarcutus | :) |
| 02:06.42 | Sarcutus | So the testing installer works ... sort of. It now tells me no kernel modules were found. |
| 02:08.34 | mrkramps | Sarcutus, using nonfree iso? |
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| 02:09.14 | Sarcutus | mrkramps: Uh, no. I'm not sure how to get a nonfree iso ... let me poke around. |
| 02:09.30 | dvs | !firmware iso |
| 02:09.30 | dpkg | There are <live> system and <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages available from https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ The images are "unofficial" because "official Debian" includes only 100% free software. They are otherwise identical to the normal installer images and prepared by the same Debian Developers. See <check iso>. |
| 02:09.34 | mrkramps | https://cdimage.debian.org/images/unofficial/non-free/images-including-firmware/ |
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| 02:21.08 | fuxxy | Sarcutus, I use the official netinst iso, download all the packages from the internet, and then enable nonfree in sources.list |
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| 02:35.59 | Sarcutus | fuxxy, I tried the official netinst iso and it stonewalled me at "No kernel modules were found." |
| 02:36.44 | Sarcutus | Said maybe it was because the kernel on the installation media doesn't match the kernel in the archive ... |
| 02:39.14 | Sarcutus | so ... what's alpha-3? |
| 02:39.29 | fuxxy | sounds like a versioning identifier |
| 02:39.41 | Sarcutus | ah. |
| 02:40.07 | Sarcutus | Also, I'm realizing I probably should've gotten one of the edu netinst isos because I run Intel hardware |
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| 02:40.33 | Sarcutus | So it might have not been necessary to get the buggered non-free firmware version of the installer |
| 02:40.50 | fuxxy | you need the generic x86_64 |
| 02:41.20 | fuxxy | I'm thinking you may have a dodgy ISO>USB conversion |
| 02:41.49 | fuxxy | could be the USB, could be the computer's USB controller, could be the image itself |
| 02:43.01 | fuxxy | If you have PXE available for your nic, you could set up a netboot environment |
| 02:43.18 | fuxxy | but the easiest method is to actually burn an optical media |
| 02:44.02 | fuxxy | That being said, when using the official netinst image flashed with the suggested USB utility, I've never had an issue installing from USB |
| 02:44.42 | Sarcutus | fuxxy: I've installed several Linux distributions on this computer. I've had some trouble with Arch and Gentoo. But Debian is stonewalling me. |
| 02:46.42 | fuxxy | I'm honestly suspecting lax packing quality from the non-free package maintainer |
| 02:46.56 | Sarcutus | And with Arch and Gentoo, I NEVER had them tell me "okay, nope, you don't have XYZ so this installation ends right now" |
| 02:47.13 | Sarcutus | fuxxy: what makes you think that? |
| 02:47.17 | mrkramps | so, testing installer also failed? |
| 02:47.18 | fuxxy | but with arch and gentoo you've used the official install images |
| 02:47.34 | fuxxy | you're still comparing apples to oranges |
| 02:48.20 | Sarcutus | fuxxy: aye. |
| 02:49.46 | Sarcutus | Why, I wonder, would a regular testing .iso build of a distribution would complain about no kernel modules having been found? |
| 02:50.13 | Sarcutus | How would it find them, install them, and activate them? |
| 02:52.00 | trui | and you're getting everything you've been trying from debian.org ? Sarcutus |
| 02:52.02 | fuxxy | as I said earlier, I've had images fail to boot properly when converting from ISO to USB before. The install image is actually 2 or more 'images' containing a boot environment and a rootfs for the installer. It may not be able to locate the root squashfs filesystem to do faulty image, or it could be missing a particular driver for your USB controller |
| 02:55.22 | Sarcutus | trui: The links are on debian.org. They point to mirrors, usually. |
| 02:56.20 | Sarcutus | fuxxy: Well, the mouse doesn't work on the generic x86_64 installer, either. Nothing works except the keyboard. |
| 02:56.42 | mrkramps | Sarcutus, secure boot is disabled? |
| 02:57.03 | Sarcutus | Yeah. If I recall. But I can always check. |
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| 02:59.33 | mrkramps | Sarcutus, is SATA set to use AHCI mode? |
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| 03:07.04 | Sarcutus | mrkramps: You mean is AHCI set to operate instead of ... whatever with Optane ... in the BIOS settings? Oh yeah. |
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| 03:07.30 | mrkramps | well ⦠debian's not ready for you hardware yet? |
| 03:07.40 | Sarcutus | Omg ... |
| 03:07.44 | mrkramps | i'm lost |
| 03:08.37 | Sarcutus | I grabbed firmware-edu-bullseye-DI-alpha3-amd64-netinst.iso though ... we'll see if this does something |
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| 03:54.06 | dumb_bot | Hi all, I am trying to install Debian from debian-10.7.0-amd64-netinst.iso and the step where I get to install GRUB, the debian-installer reports that no other operating systems were found, which is not true, I have a Windows 10 parition |
| 03:54.54 | dumb_bot | I am currently thinking I need to mount the Windows EFI parition at /EFI/, which is the partition that is flagged as Bootable |
| 03:56.17 | dumb_bot | I also recieved advice from #grub that maybe I need to load part_gpt, but this module is not in "Load Installer components from CD" phase, and "insmod part_gpt" doesn't work on the Shell |
| 03:57.20 | tomreyn | are you sure you booted the installer in uefi mode? |
| 03:58.04 | dumb_bot | tomreyn: I am not sure how to tell |
| 03:58.23 | dumb_bot | What do I need to do to do that? |
| 03:58.52 | tomreyn | configure your bios to boot from the installer media in uefi mode |
| 03:59.22 | tomreyn | if you start a tty you can run this to test the mode th einstaller is running in: echo -n 'This system booted via: '; [ -d /sys/firmware/efi ] && echo UEFI || echo BIOS |
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| 04:00.20 | dumb_bot | tomreyn: So this means I do this in the UEFI BIOS setup program? to boot the USB stick in UEFI mode? |
| 04:00.38 | tomreyn | yes, probably |
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| 04:32.50 | dumb_bot | tomreyn: Thanks, that fixed it! |
| 04:33.28 | dumb_bot | I had to change the boot mode to UEFI, whereas before it was configured as "Legacy" boot more |
| 04:33.29 | dumb_bot | *mode |
| 04:33.40 | tomreyn | :) |
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| 11:15.33 | Sarcutus | Well, y'all ... I regret to say I can't stay. I'm unfortunately not running pure vanilla Debian ... it seems to not work on my hardware. I got a DebianEdu hybrid distribution. Apparently I have some of that hard-to-shop-for Intel hardware. |
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| 11:15.52 | Sarcutus | Is there a channel for a PureBlend distribution? |
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| 12:47.47 | metbsd | should i use rescue mode? |
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| 13:02.17 | bolt | metbsd: i have no idea what you're asking. you can copy a partition using dd, no matter what's on it. |
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| 13:05.32 | samba35 | is it possible to run (not just install) debian on laptop with usb-c with external ssd /pendrive |
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| 13:08.24 | bolt | samba35: as long as you can boot from the usb drive |
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| 13:09.06 | samba35 | ok |
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| 13:15.22 | velix | Sorry, you can't upgrade directly from Debian 8 "Jessie" to Debian 10 "Buster" :D |
| 13:15.46 | velix | Shall I go to wheezy first or do a fresh install? |
| 13:16.18 | nkuttler | velix: up to you really |
| 13:17.17 | velix | nkuttler: how near are we to 11.0 ? |
| 13:18.31 | jelly | velix, if you mean debian 9 first, that's codename "stretch" |
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| 13:18.53 | velix | jelly: Oops, when was wheezy? |
| 13:18.53 | jelly | dpkg, bullseye pool 1 |
| 13:18.54 | dpkg | ! themÃll=2021-09-01 |
| 13:19.11 | velix | jelly: which date notation is it? |
| 13:19.21 | velix | jelly: yyyy-mm-dd ? |
| 13:19.21 | jelly | the best one. |
| 13:19.28 | velix | ah, the french one? :D |
| 13:19.33 | velix | yyyy-dd-mm |
| 13:19.39 | jelly | no, yyyy-mm-dd |
| 13:19.44 | velix | just joking ;) |
| 13:20.00 | velix | Wow, so 10.7 to 11 takes 9 months? |
| 13:20.28 | jelly | no, 10 to 11 takes 3 years |
| 13:20.33 | velix | Wheezy was 7.0 :D |
| 13:20.44 | jelly | dpkg, release history |
| 13:20.45 | dpkg | Named after "Toy Story" characters. Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06), Etch(4.0; 2007-04-08), Lenny(5.0; 2009-02-14), Squeeze(6.0; 2011-02-06), Wheezy(7; 2013-05-04), Jessie(8; 2015-04-25), Stretch (9; 2017-06-17), Buster (10; 2019-07-06). Next: Bullseye. http://deb.li/it56U |
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| 13:21.46 | jelly | depending on how much data and how complex services you got running, going from 8 to 9 to 10 in-place is a couple hours work |
| 13:21.48 | velix | I've been lazy with updating my base system because of containers (systemd-nspawn) ... I'm using buster and bullseye in there. |
| 13:21.57 | jelly | or a couple days |
| 13:22.23 | velix | jelly: I'll create a copy of my most important data and do a fresh install. |
| 13:22.27 | jelly | and jessie still has elts support |
| 13:22.58 | jelly | (well, if the set of packages and choice of architecture with support matches yours) |
| 13:23.03 | velix | I thought stretch is LTS? |
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| 13:23.15 | jelly | stretch is on LTS now; jessie is on ELTS |
| 13:23.17 | wsky | but jessie is elts |
| 13:23.30 | velix | let me google this |
| 13:23.35 | jelly | !elts |
| 13:23.36 | dpkg | Limited commercial support for wheezy exists in form of Extended LTS, see https://wiki.debian.org/LTS/Extended and https://deb.freexian.com/extended-lts/ |
| 13:24.06 | velix | Oh, didn't know that. Thanks. Bookmarked. |
| 13:24.22 | jelly | dpkg, elts ~= s/wheezy/jessie/ |
| 13:24.22 | dpkg | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, jelly |
| 13:24.27 | jelly | dpkg, elts =~ s/wheezy/jessie/ |
| 13:24.27 | dpkg | OK, jelly |
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| 13:27.20 | jelly | dpkg, elts is also wheezy-elts ended 2020-06-30 |
| 13:27.21 | dpkg | okay, jelly |
| 13:27.37 | velix | Sorry for offtopic, I'm just watching Star Wars for the first time. This hairy Ciabatta guy is damn annoying... |
| 13:28.41 | jelly | does not remember any italian bread in episode 4 |
| 13:29.02 | velix | Sorry, Chewbacca. |
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| 13:29.42 | velix | I know why I'm a Trekki ... |
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| 13:29.54 | velix | We don't have beeping moving bins and golden robots. |
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| 13:35.24 | f8e4 | hey folks |
| 13:36.03 | f8e4 | what are the chances the ns_a sits in one of the debian packages ? |
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| 13:39.33 | NetTerminalGene | f8e4: considerably |
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| 15:55.12 | lpancescu | hi, merry christmas! i already have a 10.6 iso image, should i download a 10.7 image for installing? some updated packages will be downloaded from the network during the installation and the release notes for 10.7 say debian-installer images were newly generated to match the new kernel ABI |
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| 15:56.16 | mrkramps | lpancescu, will do just fine |
| 15:56.49 | lpancescu | mrkramps: you mean the 10.6 images, no need tor edownload? |
| 15:57.14 | Sarcutus | mrkramps: Hello! |
| 15:57.33 | mrkramps | lpancescu, yes. if you have internet connection you'll get 10.7 straight away |
| 15:57.36 | Sarcutus | Merry Christmas, all |
| 15:57.47 | mrkramps | hey Sarcutus still fighting your Acer? |
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| 15:58.18 | lpancescu | mrkramps: great, thanks! :) |
| 15:58.22 | Sarcutus | Well. Interesting you should mention that. I found a DebianEdu installer. |
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| 15:59.28 | Sarcutus | mrkramps: As I said, I found a DebianEdu installer. So. I'm not really running vanilla Debian. So I'm thinking I should maybe migrate to another channel? I just don't know the name of a Debian Pure Blend channel |
| 16:00.08 | Sarcutus | mrkramps: But I did install and I'm running now. With a Debian Pure Blend. |
| 16:00.21 | Sarcutus | I strongly suspect it's my hardware. |
| 16:00.41 | mrkramps | Sarcutus, afaik DebianEdu ist just Debian pre-configured for schoold ⦠edu like educational |
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| 16:01.24 | mrkramps | and a pure blend is just debian ⦠w/o additional package resources |
| 16:01.25 | Sarcutus | mrkramps: Oooh! Okay! Well ... it's the only thing that would install, so I guess that's all that counts :) |
| 16:01.48 | Sarcutus | Thanks for all your help. |
| 16:01.55 | mrkramps | blend just means it comes with a specific set of preinstalle dpackages and configuration |
| 16:02.06 | Sarcutus | Oh okay, kewl. |
| 16:02.15 | mrkramps | Sarcutus, check the wiki: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianPureBlends |
| 16:02.17 | mrkramps | ;) |
| 16:02.24 | mrkramps | and: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu |
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| 16:07.27 | Sarcutus | Yeah, I noticed that Debian has switched default DEs from GNOME to Xfce ... but of course I'm a maniac, so I proceeded to install an unreasonable number of DEs and WMs |
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| 16:08.44 | eventhorizon5 | Sarcutus: that's a little like me, since I have a bunch of those installed that I really never use. I mostly use MATE since I used to use Gnome2. |
| 16:09.29 | Sarcutus | eventhorizon5: MATE!!! Thank you for reminding me! Gotta go for that ... |
| 16:09.44 | Sarcutus | I really switch DEs up depending upon my mood/whimsy |
| 16:10.20 | eventhorizon5 | I even have a screenshot of my MATE setup on my laptop that I made for a guy on IRC months ago. https://ryan.tliquest.net/mate.png - it's set up to look like the Debian 6 Gnome2 defaults. |
| 16:10.53 | mrkramps | good old clearlooks |
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| 16:12.53 | Sarcutus | eventhorizon5: wow |
| 16:12.59 | eventhorizon5 | clearlooks has been somewhat breaking over time, and not looking as good as it used to. I might have to switch to something else for Debian 11 since it looks a little messed up on Testing right now. |
| 16:13.12 | Sarcutus | I prefer dark themes, but that's definitely all the way there |
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| 16:14.32 | mrkramps | eventhorizon5, is this classic clearlooks or clearlooks-phenix? |
| 16:14.43 | eventhorizon5 | clearlooks-phenix |
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| 16:19.21 | ddsys | clearlooks-phenix is my favorite |
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| 16:21.30 | eventhorizon5 | I just tried a Debian MATE live cd, and it looks like the layout is the same as mine, which is good. They just use a newer theme. I opened a bug report some time ago about the clearlooks-phenix breakage in Testing. |
| 16:22.11 | eventhorizon5 | I think it's Ubuntu MATE which uses a layout that's similar to Cinnamon. |
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| 16:23.08 | ddsys | i hope they fix the breakage |
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| 16:25.16 | eventhorizon5 | there's a little bit of breakage on Debian 10, but it's not that bad. I think it has something to do with GTK3 upgrades/changes. I think it's showing sizer boxes when it shouldn't or something. |
| 16:27.12 | mrkramps | eventhorizon5, there are some open bug reports on the project's github issue tracker |
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| 16:28.00 | eventhorizon5 | mrkramps: for the mate project? I think I opened a bug report with the clearlooks-phenix theme in Debian |
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| 16:28.20 | mrkramps | no, i meant the clearlooks-phenix theme |
| 16:29.53 | eventhorizon5 | ok |
| 16:30.44 | eventhorizon5 | other themes are broken too, which is what I found |
| 16:31.10 | mrkramps | yeah, the changes in gtk3 can be a bit problematic |
| 16:32.19 | mrkramps | eventhorizon5, you could just try fixing it and propose a patch for debian :) |
| 16:33.22 | eventhorizon5 | mrkramps: I thought of that, but I don't really know in what code the problem is (if it's gtk, the theme, or mate), or what's really going on with it. |
| 16:33.42 | mrkramps | it's definitely the theme |
| 16:34.00 | eventhorizon5 | it might just be displaying sizer boxes when it's not supposed to, which appears to be the issue |
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| 17:19.01 | creathorni | hi, nothing debian-related, but I'll give it a try. I have added a keyfile to the keyring and now I want to undo completely. Please look at the screenie in this link: https://abload.de/img/screenshot_20201223_2jhktf.png How can I totally (un)do that? |
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| 17:34.45 | cybiko123 | creathorni: gpg --delete-keys 71EB4... |
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| 17:55.00 | creathorni | ok, I tried --delete-keys, the key is now deleted. But I am struggeling with the following command in Debian 11 (testing): |
| 17:55.05 | creathorni | wget -q -O - https://repo.protonvpn.com/debian/public_key.asc | sudo apt-key add - |
| 17:56.13 | creathorni | this takes me to the following: Warning: apt-key is deprecated. Manage keyring files in trusted.gpg.d instead (see apt-key(8)). |
| 17:56.47 | creathorni | what can I do to add this key properly? |
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| 19:26.24 | cybiko123 | creathorni: gpg --dearmor public_key.asc > /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/protonvpn.gpg |
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| 19:39.43 | creathorni | @cybiko123, thank you for this hint! now I get some error messages. I've pasted them into this pastebin: https://pastebin.com/40SmJd6L |
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| 19:40.56 | sney | looks like it's expecting a python module that isn't there. |
| 19:40.59 | sney | !mentions |
| 19:40.59 | dpkg | '@name' style mentions, common on social media and newer chat platforms, are not part of IRC. Most IRC clients ignore this kind of highlight. If you want to get someone's attention on IRC, don't @ them, simply type their nick at the beginning of the line. |
| 19:41.15 | sney | creathorni: ^ cybiko123 may not have seen your ping, depending on their client |
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| 19:42.11 | creathorni | dpkg thank you for clearing this out |
| 19:42.11 | dpkg | no worries, creathorni |
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| 19:46.26 | cybiko123 | (I did; my client supports both) |
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| 19:48.52 | cybiko123 | From what I can tell, the problem isn't a missing module, but a module that no longer supports kwallet, but the VPN client expects otherwise |
| 19:49.31 | cybiko123 | (Are you using kwallet/KDE?) |
| 19:51.15 | Mrbuck | Hi I have some program installed in /usr/bin and when i run it I could see some empty files are created some path. Is there any way I can understand what that program is doing? I dont ahve source code ofthat program |
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| 19:52.06 | eventhorizon5 | Mrbuck: try running the app with strace. Like 'strace /usr/bin/app' |
| 19:52.16 | eventhorizon5 | Mrbuck: that traces system calls that the app is making |
| 19:52.31 | Mrbuck | eventhorizon5: thank you |
| 19:52.56 | creathorni | cybiko123: I use KDE, but never used kwallet tbh. I just followed this guide here: https://protonvpn.com/support/knowledge-base/official-linux-client/ |
| 19:54.57 | cybiko123 | Fair enough. I've never used that VPN... maybe contact their support? |
| 19:56.33 | creathorni | Thats what I did. They told me to install apt-key (I have Debian 11, testing), which is no longer maintained in this version... |
| 19:56.57 | cybiko123 | It sounds like you've gotten it installed, so you don't need apt-key now |
| 19:58.04 | mrkramps | creathorni, have you checked if kwallet is installed for some reason? apt policy *kwallet* |
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| 20:00.42 | creathorni | yes, it seems to be installed |
| 20:01.53 | creathorni | mrkramps: https://pastebin.com/zxT8vHmC |
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| 20:10.59 | mrkramps | hm, culprit seems to be python-keyring |
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| 20:13.34 | mrkramps | uh, python keyring is still ver 17 in testing!? |
| 20:14.37 | cybiko123 | Is it even in testing...? |
| 20:14.41 | mrkramps | wait, why is it not showing testing |
| 20:15.22 | creathorni | hmm... when I do apt show python3-keyring, it says it's version 21.6.0-1 |
| 20:15.27 | mrkramps | wasy, package tracker says 21.6 in testing scince ⦠today |
| 20:15.54 | creathorni | should I try to install this? |
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| 20:16.06 | mrkramps | yeah all good, for some reasons package list on debian.org wasn't showing package for testung |
| 20:16.27 | mrkramps | creathorni, should already be installed |
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| 20:21.25 | mrkramps | creathorni, is package python3-dbus also installed= |
| 20:21.26 | mrkramps | ? |
| 20:21.26 | Sarcutus | Hey, what does it mean if you have a command on your system but sudo says it can't find it? |
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| 20:22.54 | mrkramps | Sarcutus, not in PATH? |
| 20:23.13 | n4dir | it can mean that the user who uses sudo isn't configured to make use of that command in /etc/sudoers |
| 20:23.33 | Sarcutus | Well, that's the thing ... I made a ~/bin directory and put the command in that ~/bin directory. |
| 20:23.41 | Sarcutus | And added it to my /.bashrc. |
| 20:23.55 | Sarcutus | n4dir: So I edit sudoers? |
| 20:24.05 | mrkramps | Sarcutus, should already be in ~/.profile by default iirc |
| 20:24.13 | n4dir | i said: "can mean". It can mean a lot of things |
| 20:24.25 | n4dir | mrkramps: it sure is default in .profile on debian |
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| 20:24.45 | mrkramps | Sarcutus, you logged out and in again? |
| 20:26.02 | creathorni | mrkramps: yup, python3-dbus is there |
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| 20:26.17 | Sarcutus | mrkramps: Well ... yeah. |
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| 20:26.47 | Sarcutus | mrkramps: But I think I caught the problem: my ~/bin directory wasn't in the sudoers file. |
| 20:26.58 | n4dir | Sarcutus: and "echo $PATH" includes ~/bin? |
| 20:27.10 | mrkramps | this directory should not be in sudoers!? |
| 20:27.34 | Sarcutus | n4dir: Aye, indeed. mrkramps: Really? I shall remove it promptly then. Thanks for the heads-up. |
| 20:27.36 | mrkramps | ah kk, but sudo was not finding it ⦠sry, got it |
| 20:28.42 | dob1 | how does fonts with ligature works? |
| 20:29.03 | Sarcutus | mrkramps: Maybe the directory shouldn't be in sudoers, but it made things start working. |
| 20:29.12 | n4dir | Well, for the one non-system command which needs root here, i put it in /root/bin; but i would not know how to handle such with sudo |
| 20:29.16 | dob1 | ok sorry it's OT but I was thinking about it while writing |
| 20:29.32 | mrkramps | n4dir, actually if dir is in PATH sudo should find it |
| 20:29.35 | n4dir | if it works, i guess all is good |
| 20:29.57 | Sarcutus | I suspect mrkramps is right |
| 20:29.57 | mrkramps | i've no additional entry sudoers and sudo findd my local commands just fine |
| 20:30.28 | Sarcutus | mrkramps: I don't know why in the world it decided to be petulant and uncooperative :\ |
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| 20:31.07 | mrkramps | all good, just a lot of confusion ⦠in general caused by me |
| 20:32.39 | n4dir | Well, not much of a geek here, but i sure agree with you that ~/bin should be in PATH already. But then there are display-managers and what not. Many things to keep in mind |
| 20:33.00 | n4dir | usually .profile should add it, if ~/bin exists. I would say |
| 20:33.15 | mrkramps | if it's in profile you may need to restart display-manager |
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| 20:33.22 | mrkramps | but i'm not sure |
| 20:33.35 | mrkramps | Sarcutus, have you tested it on tty? |
| 20:33.36 | n4dir | perhaps doublecheck the entry you made in .bashrc, Sarcutus |
| 20:33.47 | mrkramps | and this ^ |
| 20:35.08 | Sarcutus | mrkramps: Tested what on tty? game-data-packager? Yeah, it's a command line tool. n4dir: Will do |
| 20:36.49 | Sarcutus | export PATH="/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/home/sarcutus/bin" |
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| 20:40.09 | n4dir | Now we need to find someone who can tell for sure that is correct. I can't. Sorry. |
| 20:40.29 | n4dir | all that sbin stuff looks weird to me, but i don't use sudo |
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| 20:40.41 | mrkramps | Sarcutus, you tried it with yout custom path first? |
| 20:40.52 | mrkramps | *your |
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| 20:44.21 | mrkramps | Sarcutus, I am afraid I got you wrong ⦠I was expecting autocompletition to fail finding the command |
| 20:45.01 | mrkramps | you're actually right, sudoers would need an edit |
| 20:45.04 | mrkramps | sry |
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| 20:49.57 | Sarcutus | mrkramps: Oh that was n4dir's idea :) But yeah, that's what I did, and it started working finally |
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| 20:52.46 | Sarcutus | mrkramps and n4dir: thanks much |
| 20:53.25 | Sarcutus | And now to go try this monster out ... |
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| 20:55.03 | Mrbuck | eventhorizon5: there?Is there ano other way than using strace? |
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| 20:55.59 | eventhorizon5 | Mrbuck: if you're able to install debugging symbols, then you can partially debug an app with gdb. I'm not that familiar with debugging stuff like that though. |
| 20:57.14 | Mrbuck | eventhorizon5: okay got it, thank you for the help |
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| 22:12.44 | r399 | i am trying to install debian 10.7 on a dell computer but am running into 2 issues |
| 22:12.56 | r399 | first one is that during installation it says kernal modules are missing |
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| 22:13.03 | mrkramps | use nonfree installer |
| 22:13.06 | r399 | second is that it cannot find network firmware |
| 22:13.07 | mrkramps | !firmware nonfree |
| 22:13.12 | mrkramps | !firmware non-free |
| 22:13.40 | r399 | will the nonfree version fix the firmware issue? |
| 22:13.44 | mrkramps | https://cdimage.debian.org/images/unofficial/non-free/images-including-firmware/ |
| 22:13.45 | r399 | i mean the kernel issue |
| 22:13.51 | r399 | i know of the non-free one |
| 22:14.03 | r399 | i also have a second usb with the firmware on it, but could tyr the non-free one |
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| 22:14.27 | mrkramps | r399, non-free isos best thing to try first |
| 22:14.47 | r399 | mrkramps, thanks, will give that one a shot then |
| 22:14.53 | mrkramps | r399, but you may also tell us what kind of dell this is |
| 22:15.08 | mrkramps | questions is how recent the hardware could be |
| 22:15.12 | r399 | its a laptop, a fairly newer one |
| 22:15.28 | r399 | the hardware is probably 6 months old |
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| 22:15.48 | mrkramps | ok, then stable (kernel, firmware) might be too old |
| 22:16.05 | r399 | oh no |
| 22:16.25 | r399 | even for 10.7? |
| 22:16.34 | mrkramps | this is still kernel 4.19 |
| 22:16.48 | r399 | is there a testing version that has a newer kerne;? |
| 22:16.55 | r399 | kernel* |
| 22:16.58 | Sarcutus | r399: yes |
| 22:17.02 | Sarcutus | A whole bunch |
| 22:17.10 | r399 | was worried for a second |
| 22:17.31 | mrkramps | yeah, Sarcutus can tell you alot about it ⦠:D |
| 22:18.16 | mrkramps | r399, the link i send you, try weekly builds |
| 22:18.45 | mrkramps | https://cdimage.debian.org/images/unofficial/non-free/images-including-firmware/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-cd/firmware-testing-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 22:18.52 | r399 | okay ill look at the link now |
| 22:19.04 | r399 | im trying to install off USB, does the CD version work for that? |
| 22:19.14 | mrkramps | it's a hybrid image |
| 22:19.19 | r399 | perfect |
| 22:19.34 | mrkramps | and maybe make sure secure boot is disabled and SATA mode is AHCI |
| 22:20.22 | r399 | is there only a netiso for testing? |
| 22:20.48 | mrkramps | r399, no ⦠i was just linking it because most people use it |
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| 22:21.22 | r399 | is the netiso version better to go with? |
| 22:21.30 | r399 | like more or to date if you go with netiso? |
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| 22:22.00 | mrkramps | no, it's just small |
| 22:22.26 | mrkramps | and there's not much difference betwee downloading dvd-iso or use netinst and download the packages |
| 22:23.21 | r399 | okay, makes sense, was wondering what the difference was but basically sounds the same |
| 22:23.57 | r399 | how big is debian, when I was looking at the dvd iso for 10.7 i saw 9 4GB disks |
| 22:24.04 | Ede|Popede | 16 DVDs |
| 22:24.20 | Ede|Popede | on x64 at least |
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| 22:24.32 | r399 | do people actually download all the dvds and install only software from the dvds? |
| 22:24.45 | r399 | i guess for devices with no internet connection |
| 22:24.47 | k` | he guys.. just got a 14TB mybook -- as HFS+ it's listed as the full 14tb but after i formatted to ext4 it's listing as 12.8 |
| 22:24.50 | mrkramps | tbh, i've no clue |
| 22:24.51 | Ede|Popede | i did this time. mostly for that non-networked PC |
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| 22:24.52 | k` | any ideas why? |
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| 22:25.19 | mrkramps | k`, root reserves are 5% |
| 22:25.40 | k` | anyway to fix that? |
| 22:25.47 | k` | really sort of need the full 14tb |
| 22:26.11 | Ede|Popede | i've changed it to 1% on my data disks. still big these days. |
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| 22:26.57 | mrkramps | k`, you can change it or remove reserves completely |
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| 22:27.18 | mrkramps | i'm just looking for some information i can link you ⦠tune2fs and stuff |
| 22:27.29 | Ede|Popede | iirc docs even say to keep the 5% |
| 22:27.54 | k` | thank you! |
| 22:28.01 | Ede|Popede | ah, tune2fs also has -m like mkfs |
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| 22:28.05 | k` | https://odzangba.wordpress.com/2010/02/20/how-to-free-reserved-space-on-ext4-partitions/ |
| 22:28.21 | k` | wait, so even if this isn't a boot drive i should keep reserves? |
| 22:28.25 | Sarcutus | mrkramps: where in the world do I go looking for these .isos like the one I installed this installation with? Can't seem to find it on debian.org |
| 22:28.26 | mrkramps | k`, that's pretty much it |
| 22:29.48 | k` | hmmmmmmmmm... sudo tune2fs -m 0 /dev/sdc2 |
| 22:29.51 | k` | lsblk still lists it as 12.8 |
| 22:29.55 | k` | maybe i need to umount and remount |
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| 22:31.21 | Ede|Popede | k`: maybe some deleted file on an existing handle |
| 22:31.29 | mrkramps | Sarcutus, it's a bit hidden |
| 22:31.32 | k` | ackkk |
| 22:31.54 | mrkramps | Sarcutus, https://cdimage.debian.org/images/ |
| 22:31.57 | k` | i tried doing it on the main drive partition /dev/sdc and it treutns "bad magic number in super-block while trying to open /dev/sdc.. found a gpt partition table in /dev/sdc |
| 22:32.06 | k` | returns* |
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| 22:32.15 | mrkramps | you have to run it on a partition |
| 22:32.21 | quadrathoch2 | k` how big is the disk itself? |
| 22:32.27 | k` | ahh yeah okay so did that teh first time |
| 22:32.35 | k` | it's 14TB and lsblk lists it as 12.8 |
| 22:32.57 | quadrathoch2 | k` sounds about right, because of 1000 in comparison to 1024 :( |
| 22:33.17 | incal | hello, I'm trying to install the proprietary nvidia driver on buster but during boot I see error messages, however they flash by so quickly I can't see what they suggest I should do. I installed bootlogd but it doesn't seem to write anything to /var/log/boot. how can I read those messages? and the driver seems not to work since I can't start X anymore. suggestions? TIA |
| 22:33.27 | k` | bc it's 10based? |
| 22:33.44 | k` | quadrathoch2: they were telling me it's due to root reserving 5% |
| 22:33.50 | k` | is it something different? |
| 22:34.40 | quadrathoch2 | k` i would still try it, but I am pretty sure because of that stupid calculations the disk producers make |
| 22:34.49 | k` | ack damn it! |
| 22:35.08 | k` | i'm pretty sure i cleared it and nothing changed |
| 22:35.30 | k` | nothing's ever easy is it |
| 22:35.57 | quadrathoch2 | k` it's more like businesses are doing what they are allowed to :/ |
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| 22:36.32 | k` | sdc |
| 22:36.34 | k` | ââsdc1 vfat EFI 67E3-17ED |
| 22:36.36 | k` | ââsdc2 ext4 ea87ef07-1708-4855-912c-e55840c3ed4e 12.6T 0% /media/14TB_001 |
| 22:36.47 | k` | does this look correct? -- the EFI being vfat etc? |
| 22:37.41 | k` | when i originally formatted it i got a GPT PMBR Size Mismatch will be corrected by w(rite) error |
| 22:37.42 | quadrathoch2 | i thought it's not a boot device |
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| 22:39.41 | k` | it's not a boot device.. not sure why it has an EFI attached to it |
| 22:39.44 | k` | only takes up 200mbs tho |
| 22:39.49 | incal | oh, for buster, one should use the backports, I'll try that now <https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers> |
| 22:40.41 | quadrathoch2 | k` but other than that it looks good |
| 22:40.43 | incal | wow, not it says "DO NOT INSTALL THIS RELEASE!!! Use the nvidia-legacy-390xx-driver, nvidia-legacy-390xx-kernel-dkms" |
| 22:40.45 | Sarcutus | Omg I just looked at the cdimage.debian.org front page and apparently I've got a dadgum near experimental Debian distribution D: |
| 22:40.54 | k` | let me try again |
| 22:41.31 | quadrathoch2 | incal what nvidia gpu do you have? |
| 22:42.05 | incal | quadrathoch2, Nvidia Geforce GT 710 |
| 22:43.28 | k` | shoudl i be using gdisk or gparted or what? |
| 22:45.42 | quadrathoch2 | incal nvidia tells me you can use the newest driver, but is there a reason you want it? the 710 is very usable with nouveau |
| 22:45.53 | quadrathoch2 | k` whatever you are comfortable with |
| 22:46.37 | incal | quadrathoch2, is nouveau better or as good? then I'm happy to use that |
| 22:47.21 | incal | is that the xserver-xorg-video-nouveau ? |
| 22:47.26 | quadrathoch2 | incal as far as I can tell it should even be better |
| 22:47.28 | quadrathoch2 | yes |
| 22:47.39 | incal | it is installed, maybe I reinstall it? |
| 22:48.27 | quadrathoch2 | incal what issues do you have? |
| 22:49.41 | incal | at the moment, error messages during startup which I cannot access (don't know how, bootlogd doesn't write to /var/log/boot as promised) and that I cannot access X. but let's remove the backport stuff and reinstall xserver-xorg-video-nouveau and see what happens |
| 22:50.00 | mrkramps | incal, there are more logs in /var/log |
| 22:50.33 | mrkramps | kern.log is quite nice |
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| 22:50.59 | mrkramps | and then there's journalctl of course |
| 22:52.39 | incal | let's install nouveau first and reboot I guess |
| 22:52.56 | incal | oh, that was fast! rebooting... |
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| 22:55.26 | incal | still get the error messages about kernel modules, any idea where to find them? and, should I remove the nvidia packs perhaps? |
| 22:56.19 | incal | I have a lot of nvidia stuff, maybe enough to remove nvidia-driver? |
| 22:57.12 | incal | yeah, X still doesn't work, removing nvidia-driver and reboot |
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| 23:00.21 | quadrathoch2 | incal we would need more info to really help you out, like a pastebin |
| 23:00.38 | incal | quadrathoch2, yes, of what you mean? |
| 23:00.40 | quadrathoch2 | but if you installed the nvidia blob, it will disable nouveau automatically |
| 23:00.59 | quadrathoch2 | for example which errors you get (or at least claim) about kernel mods |
| 23:01.48 | incal | OK, let's focus on removing it... just removing nvidia-driver didn't do the job it seems. there are still other nvidia- packs installed |
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| 23:03.46 | Ede|Popede | incal: maybe debtree could help with dependencies. if you remove one of the lower ones those depending on them would also disappear. |
| 23:04.21 | quadrathoch2 | incal dpkg -l | grep nvidia should also give you a good overview of what might be related to the driver |
| 23:04.59 | jmcnaught | incal: if you are trying to go back to using nouveau then you need to remove/edit the blacklist file for it in /etc/modprobe.d/ |
| 23:05.53 | incal | quadrathoch2, got 18 hits for that command, should I remove all of them? |
| 23:06.10 | quadrathoch2 | incal paste them into paste.debian.net |
| 23:06.11 | quadrathoch2 | let's see |
| 23:07.02 | incal | jmcnaught, yes there is nvidia-blacklists-nouveau.conf and nvidia.conf in /etc/modprobe.d - remove? |
| 23:07.38 | jmcnaught | incal: you need to remove the one that blacklists the nouveau module |
| 23:08.20 | incal | quadrathoch2, https://paste.debian.net/1178335/ |
| 23:08.44 | incal | jmcnaught, that is nvidia-blacklists-nouveau.conf ? OK, removing |
| 23:09.16 | quadrathoch2 | incal yep all of them and what jmcnaught said |
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| 23:12.05 | incal | OK, removing all |
| 23:12.08 | incal | good feeling :) |
| 23:13.27 | incal | all removed as well as nvidia-blacklists-nouveau.conf |
| 23:13.36 | incal | now, reboot? |
| 23:13.56 | quadrathoch2 | incal what about nvidia.conf? |
| 23:14.05 | incal | remove that as well? OK |
| 23:14.12 | quadrathoch2 | not sure whats in it but probably makes sense to remove |
| 23:15.30 | incal | hm, doesn't seem to be there anymore. now there are only three files: amd64-microcode-blacklist.conf dkms.conf nvidia-kernel-common.conf |
| 23:15.39 | incal | remove nvidia-kernel-common.conf ? |
| 23:16.01 | quadrathoch2 | do you have an intel cpu? |
| 23:16.03 | quadrathoch2 | yes |
| 23:17.00 | incal | no AMD4 x86_64 |
| 23:17.32 | incal | OK, removed |
| 23:17.49 | quadrathoch2 | great, reboot |
| 23:17.53 | incal | :) |
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| 23:20.34 | incal | ah it works thank you so much <3 |
| 23:21.50 | quadrathoch2 | incal :) great |
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| 23:23.38 | incal | sensors say this, does it make sense? https://paste.debian.net/1178336/ |
| 23:24.34 | mrkramps | yes |
| 23:24.52 | incal | OK, everything fine then :) |
| 23:24.59 | incal | *phew* |
| 23:25.01 | incal | :) |
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| 23:41.11 | Ede|Popede | the installer of 10.6 gives me 4.19.0-10 and -11 as kernels, but linux-image-amd64 is preselected. should i keep this? there's already a 10.1 installed on the disk, is the older kernel from that one? |
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| 23:42.04 | sney | Ede|Popede: linux-image-amd64 will make sure your kernel is upgraded along with the rest when you 'apt upgrade', so that is the option most users should select |
| 23:43.01 | Ede|Popede | at least atm this is a standalone pc (thus the fat iso download i did), but ok i'll keep it. just for potential networked situations to come. |
| 23:49.12 | Ede|Popede | uh, now the software selection. using awesomewm on the 10.1 with just about 280 installed packages. this one is meant to become the daily workhorse. or maybe some host OS? Xen, VM, what's state of the art now? |
| 23:52.31 | Ede|Popede | looks like the <virtualization> thing points to enough topics to spend half of the night with them |
| 23:58.58 | Ede|Popede | hm, i think i should be able to set up another buster in the future, maybe replacing the 10.1 installation, so i don't even waste another partition. |
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| 23:59.51 | Ede|Popede | 2820 packages with everything selected, wow. |
