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| 00:07.01 | OneLegend | while installing debian, it prompted me to load non-free wifi firmware from external media. I did so (I put the .ucode file on the flash drive and inserted it), but it did not seem to be detected and the same prompt showed up again. |
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| 00:10.28 | henko | dunno where you downloaded the firmware. choose here. put the content of the directory on a fat32 formatted usb stick and it will be detected while you insert it while its installing debian |
| 00:10.39 | henko | https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/firmware/ |
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| 00:20.33 | OneLegend | ohh I see |
| 00:20.45 | OneLegend | my flashdrive was in NTFS |
| 00:28.31 | trysten | what's the canonical way to give a user USB permission in cli? so, without gnome or other framework |
| 00:28.52 | trysten | is it still adding the user to plugdev group and rebooting? if so, where is that documented? |
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| 00:34.38 | jmcnaught | ,i pmount |
| 00:34.41 | judd | Package pmount (utils, optional) in buster/amd64: mount removable devices as normal user. Version: 0.9.23-3+b2; Size: 83.6k; Installed: 500k; O: #897304 |
| 00:39.04 | jmcnaught | trysten: check out the description of plugdev in /usr/share/doc/base-passwd/users-and-groups.txt.gz |
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| 01:06.31 | brachamh | question: when i run lsblk, it shows the partitions but in front of each partition are six "scrambled" (non-english) characters. does that have something to do with the hardware raid system, or what could be the cause of it? |
| 01:12.22 | jmcnaught | brachamh: maybe the ââ and ââ characters used to illustrate the tree? Can you show a paste? |
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| 01:18.02 | brachamh | hmm...that explains a bunch. apparently that system is not online. not sure why |
| 01:18.27 | rk4 | lsblk -i |
| 01:20.44 | brachamh | rk4: that shows a "tree-like" output |
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| 01:24.55 | henko | you can use sed and awk to filter but you could try blkid |
| 01:25.25 | brachamh | ok it's online just somehow my sources.list was slightly wrong. i'm sure i'd run apt update already on this system |
| 01:29.28 | rk4 | lol, so your terminal is a little broken [or old], your server was not offline, and apt sources broken? |
| 01:29.41 | rk4 | s/offline/online/ |
| 01:29.47 | rk4 | drinks coffee |
| 01:33.14 | alexrelis[m] | I can set persistent kernel parameters in /etc/sysctl.conf right? |
| 01:33.42 | dvs | alexrelis[m]: /etc/default/grub |
| 01:34.29 | alexrelis[m] | dvs: oh okay. Thanks. Would I have to regenerate grub.cfg after editing /etc/default/grub? |
| 01:34.52 | dvs | update-grub |
| 01:35.18 | alexrelis[m] | dvs: *thumbs up |
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| 01:37.54 | brachamh | ok interesting. here's the output of a pastebin: https://paste.debian.net/1178437 |
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| 02:17.04 | alexrelis[m] | sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/KvUdidDxbWIObyQnttZQmruF/message.txt > |
| 02:19.06 | quadrathoch2 | alexrelis[m] what de are you using? for example on kde, it won't show up for me, as long as there are no speakers plugged in (or headphones) |
| 02:19.16 | alexrelis[m] | quadrathoch2: KDE |
| 02:19.23 | alexrelis[m] | I have headphones plugged in. |
| 02:21.42 | quadrathoch2 | alexrelis[m] which driver are you using for the amd card? |
| 02:22.08 | alexrelis[m] | quadrathoch2: I didn't know I had to install a driver. |
| 02:22.28 | quadrathoch2 | alexrelis[m] not installing, but what does lspci say about the driver its using |
| 02:23.52 | alexrelis[m] | sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/ZdNmuOfBwhHwdrpdJsgEGHxE/message.txt > |
| 02:23.58 | alexrelis[m] | Not sure if that helps you. |
| 02:24.43 | quadrathoch2 | alexrelis[m] lspci -vvv |
| 02:25.21 | alexrelis[m] | quadrathoch2: Kernel driver in use: snd_hda_intel |
| 02:25.21 | alexrelis[m] | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:26.39 | quadrathoch2 | alexrelis[m] okay that's the right one :). now let's see what pavucontrol says |
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| 02:27.45 | quadrathoch2 | alexrelis[m] under the audiosettings, do you have an analog output? when you plug something in |
| 02:28.37 | alexrelis[m] | quadrathoch2: HDMI 1 and HDMI 2 |
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| 02:31.11 | quadrathoch2 | alexrelis[m] https://imgur.com/a/XOXxXpm don't you have something like this? |
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| 02:32.46 | alexrelis[m] | uploaded an image: image.png (122KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/aNKndJuPfCdxBMqVlRLROeQe/image.png > |
| 02:32.49 | alexrelis[m] | quadrathoch2: This is what I have. |
| 02:33.33 | alexrelis[m] | uploaded an image: image.png (97KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/HwLBOuZgJLhMOTclvevQJdpZ/image.png > |
| 02:33.39 | alexrelis[m] | There is however, a working input device. |
| 02:33.42 | quadrathoch2 | alexrelis[m] that's a dgpu or? |
| 02:34.09 | alexrelis[m] | quadrathoch2: I have an integrated GPU. |
| 02:34.22 | alexrelis[m] | AMD Ryzen 4700U. |
| 02:34.56 | quadrathoch2 | ahh kk. what does alsa see? |
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| 02:35.19 | alexrelis[m] | quadrathoch2: I don't have alsa installed. I will do that in a moment. |
| 02:36.33 | alexrelis[m] | Well, I actually do have it installed. My bad. |
| 02:37.04 | jmcnaught | alexrelis[m]: what is on pavucontrol's Configuration tab? |
| 02:37.18 | jmcnaught | maybe the wrong profile is set? |
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| 02:38.45 | alexrelis[m] | uploaded an image: image.png (100KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/SOfPCqzwVkVxXmItCdxzBPLX/image.png > |
| 02:38.45 | alexrelis[m] | Actually! |
| 02:39.04 | alexrelis[m] | Looks like I found something in Alsa, but it doesn't appear in pavucontrol. |
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| 02:49.11 | alex11 | if i'd installed debian with ext4 can it be easily replaced with zfs? |
| 02:50.01 | alexrelis[m] | alex11: The safest way would be to re-partition. |
| 02:50.32 | quadrathoch2 | alex11 do you mean zfs on root? |
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| 02:51.21 | alex11 | not sure |
| 02:51.34 | alex11 | i'll check the debian wiki and if it looks complicated i probably won't bother :P |
| 02:51.51 | quadrathoch2 | https://openzfs.github.io/openzfs-docs/Getting%20Started/Debian/Debian%20Buster%20Root%20on%20ZFS.html alex11 |
| 02:54.01 | cskr | The sound output in my laptop seems to be passed in as sound input as well. When on voice calls, the person at the other end can hear their voice echoed to them. They can also hear, not very clearly, the audio I play on my laptop during the call. How do I fix this? |
| 02:54.17 | rk4 | ext4 is fine for a root fs, zfs can be used for some other, non-root volume :) |
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| 02:57.18 | quadrathoch2 | rk4 it can be used, but not really recommended (zfsonroot) as it's still very unpractical |
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| 03:40.36 | edlou | any idea where i can probe, nautilus Other Locations is no longer showing me mountable devices on my system. im not sure what to do |
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| 04:09.34 | Aurora_v_kosmose | Does Debian distribute EFI firmware for qemu for x86? |
| 04:11.06 | quadrathoch2 | Aurora_v_kosmose yes |
| 04:11.22 | Aurora_v_kosmose | What would be the package's name? I can't seem to find it. |
| 04:11.49 | Aurora_v_kosmose | Ah... https://wiki.debian.org/UEFI#PC_platform:_BIOS.2C_UEFI.2C_CSM_etc. ovmf |
| 04:12.06 | Aurora_v_kosmose | Guess I'd never have found it searching for qemu- |
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| 04:17.22 | themill | Aurora_v_kosmose: it would be worth filing a wishlist bug against ovmf asking them to mention qemu in the package description and against qemu-system-x86 to explain what the recommended packages do in the description (it might also be that it doesn't need the asymmetry depending on seabios but recommending ovmf too) |
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| 04:21.42 | Aurora_v_kosmose | https://bugs.launchpad.net/virt-manager/+bug/1637693/comments/6 I managed to get it work. I didn't need to restart anything, but the purging did end-up necessary. |
| 04:21.49 | Aurora_v_kosmose | *to work |
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| 04:43.01 | Aurora_v_kosmose | Well anyway, thanks |
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| 05:43.54 | routebee | hey there |
| 05:44.21 | routebee | I need a repository line and I cant find it on the internet |
| 05:45.10 | routebee | what is the line for the buster rolling main? |
| 05:45.58 | routebee | like... deb https://debian.pkgs.org/debian rolling main contrib non-free |
| 05:46.09 | routebee | i made that up |
| 05:46.17 | routebee | google is a fuckwit |
| 05:46.30 | routebee | it wont give me a cut and paste |
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| 05:53.31 | trui | buster updates? routebee or what do you mean? |
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| 05:53.54 | trui | deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster-updates main contrib non-free |
| 05:54.07 | routebee | thats what i wanted |
| 05:54.12 | routebee | thanks a heep |
| 05:54.36 | themill | there is nothing rolling about buster |
| 05:54.50 | routebee | yeah fair enough |
| 05:54.58 | themill | !buster sources.list |
| 05:54.59 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Buster" has the lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates main", and optionally "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster-updates main". See <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <buster/updates> <buster-updates> and "man sources.list". |
| 05:55.03 | trui | np. also might want the deb-src line |
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| 05:55.16 | trui | handy, themill |
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| 05:56.43 | routebee | !bullseye sources.list |
| 05:56.44 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Bullseye" has three lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ bullseye main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian-security bullseye-security main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ bullseye-updates main". Note that bullseye does not yet have security support and a <moving target>. See <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <bullseye-security>, or <bullseye-updates> and "man sources.list". |
| 05:57.32 | routebee | so trui accepting that i am a nub what does rolling actually mean? |
| 05:58.49 | trui | well, it's usually used for things like Windows 10 or Arch |
| 06:00.36 | routebee | i see it in the like for Parrot OS |
| 06:00.45 | routebee | i'll tell you my problem |
| 06:01.18 | trui | i get what you meant. updates is in a sense rolling, except the stuff that includes is quite limited iirc |
| 06:01.33 | routebee | i am starting a degree in network security in 21 and I have started reading Linux Basics For Hackers over christmas |
| 06:02.32 | routebee | it recommends Kali but i took third party advice and installed Parrot on a little notepad |
| 06:02.34 | themill | I would highly recommend that you use a stable release to learn how to use Debian before making your life hard with problems that you can't fix using bullseye |
| 06:02.45 | routebee | yeah agreed |
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| 06:03.44 | routebee | the book has started talking about configuring snort and my parrot doesn't have it |
| 06:04.02 | routebee | i tried installing it and it is not in the parrot repo |
| 06:04.27 | routebee | so i thought i'll add a line and install the debian version and then comment it out again |
| 06:05.24 | trui | that's likely not recommended, but their chat could help you out. what's the command again? |
| 06:05.35 | routebee | snort |
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| 06:06.18 | routebee | its a network intrusion detector |
| 06:06.18 | trui | likewise the reverse isn't supported on debian :P |
| 06:06.58 | trui | why not just install the .deb? |
| 06:07.09 | trui | vs messing with your sources |
| 06:07.13 | routebee | it has a heap of dependencies |
| 06:07.27 | trui | apt install whatever.deb |
| 06:07.41 | routebee | i guess i could go do in manually but it would take a while |
| 06:08.05 | routebee | i have tried... it left a broken package |
| 06:08.11 | trui | it will take care of the dependencies, if parrot has them. but people will probably go something like |
| 06:08.16 | trui | !parrot |
| 06:08.16 | dpkg | Parrot Linux is a distribution based on <testing> for security experts, developers and privacy aware people. It is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Support can be found in #parrotsec on Freenode or the community pages https://docs.parrotlinux.org/community. Ask me about <based on debian> and <parrot-overnight>. If you are new to linux, try using Debian: http://www.debian.org. |
| 06:08.20 | trui | soon |
| 06:09.09 | trui | which is fair, since if #debian supported all debian based distros, that'd be a nightmare |
| 06:09.34 | routebee | i have left a community question asking why snort is not in the repo |
| 06:09.39 | trui | i've never even used Parrot, for example |
| 06:09.51 | routebee | i guess i'll have to wait till the community sobers up and answers |
| 06:10.11 | trui | good luck! |
| 06:10.21 | routebee | thanks for your help anyway |
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| 06:10.39 | trui | but yeah, you know it's bad when there's a command for every debian based distro |
| 06:10.42 | trui | lol |
| 06:11.33 | trui | i used puppy linux once. that was an interesting experience in terms of packages |
| 06:11.55 | trui | i'm glad i'm back on debian |
| 06:12.13 | trui | though puppy was great when my harddrive died |
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| 06:14.17 | trui | now i'm tempted to try some obscure/new debian distro with the command, but it probably has been added |
| 06:16.17 | trui | "66 best Debian-based Linux distributions as of 2020". Oh my, that's a lot of ways of adding non-free to your sources. I'm being unfair but still, haha. |
| 06:16.56 | routebee | laf |
| 06:17.13 | trui | I'm wondering if the lazy author just listed them all, but there's ptobably more... |
| 06:17.46 | trui | Though I guess they're the "be lazy by working harder" type |
| 06:18.24 | trui | s/ptobably/probably/ |
| 06:20.05 | budlight | yeah there's alot lol |
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| 06:23.23 | trui | Trisquel is an interesting case. It's totally valid, and I get why people use it, but it being based on Ubuntu is amusing |
| 06:23.52 | routebee | my conclusion is that i download the tarball and make it rather than mess around with packages |
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| 06:24.25 | trui | eh, packages are useful because you can easily remove stuff |
| 06:24.34 | trui | but it's your choice |
| 06:24.40 | cskr | Asked this before but had to disconnect before getting a reply. So repeating. The sound output in my laptop seems to be passed in as sound input as well. When on voice calls, the person at the other end can hear their voice echoed to them. They can also hear, not very clearly, the audio I play on my laptop during the call. How do I fix this? |
| 06:24.40 | routebee | yeah i know |
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| 06:25.42 | trui | have you tested if this happens when you use headphones? cskr |
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| 06:26.09 | cskr | trui, yes it happens both when headphones are connected and when they are not. |
| 06:26.38 | routebee | trui, speaking of which i try "apt purge snort" and it says their is no snort on my system but when i apt install the backage it says it is leaving a broken package |
| 06:27.01 | trui | ok, just had to check. hopefully someone knows. i'd have to google/duckduckgo it, cskr |
| 06:27.12 | routebee | how do i purge a broken package |
| 06:27.43 | cskr | trui, I did that and tried adding echo-cancel module of pulseaudio. That did not help. |
| 06:28.13 | trui | yeah, i mean i know as much as you, sorry. but maybe someone else knows |
| 06:28.49 | routebee | trui, how do i purge this broken package? |
| 06:30.04 | zykotick9 | routebee: I'd suggest you see what "apt -f install" wants to do. |
| 06:30.53 | routebee | so force it and then uninstall it you're thinking? |
| 06:31.07 | trui | you're on parrotos so we shouldn't even be here drowning out #debian questions like cskr's. at least join #parrotsec to talk about it, though i guess it is a grey zone. |
| 06:35.10 | trui | i still likely don't know the answer, but does this happen with all voice call programs? cskr |
| 06:37.31 | zykotick9 | routebee: -f is fix. If you have broken packages, apt or apt-get will probably offer to remove them. |
| 06:39.02 | trui | and you reloaded pulseaudio and it has 'echo cancelled with' next to the devices? cskr |
| 06:39.10 | trui | reads an article about it |
| 06:39.33 | cskr | trui, yes. In fact, with headphones plugged in, I can play music and simultaneously record that music through sound recorder! In sound setting I see that microphone level goes up when playing music through headphones. |
| 06:40.29 | cskr | I did not check 'echo cancelled with'. Where will I find this? I added "load-module module-echo-cancel" to /etc/pulse/default.pa and restarted my laptop. |
| 06:43.08 | trui | the one article i read said that they had difficulty having it autoload on startup, so i'm wondering if that's it. can you share screenshots of the pulseaudio settings? if you're using a gui for most of the sound stuff, cskr |
| 06:43.50 | cskr | I don't have anything installed more than Gnome's sound settings. Is there some other tool I should try? |
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| 06:45.20 | trui | i wonder if it's this bug https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=941170 |
| 06:45.21 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/941170 in pulseaudio (open): «pulseaudio: Microphone audio is mixed with headset audio»; severity: important; opened: 2019-09-25; last modified: 2019-09-25. |
| 06:46.45 | trui | i don't know. what do your sound settings show? |
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| 06:52.02 | cskr | That bug's description matches the behaviour I observe. Sound setting shows "Headphones - Built-in Audio" and "Microphone - Built-in Audio". I think I should subscribe to the bug report and wait for it to be fixed. |
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| 07:00.57 | trui | yeah, hopefully there's an alternative though. i don't think it's a problem on my system, though i usually don't voice chat on my old computer so i don't know. good luck, cskr. |
| 07:01.28 | cskr | Thanks for finding the bug report, trui. |
| 07:10.56 | trui | i guess they left. but yeah, that's annoying. just out of curiosity, i tried voice chatting on my laptop with headphones and the built in laptop mic and there seemed to be no problems for me. stupid pulseaudio. |
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| 07:11.39 | trui | a lot more people would be in here asking if it was universal, but that sucks. |
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| 07:15.21 | MarchHare | Hey, anyone know what the deal is with DOSEMU missing from the current repos? I'm not finding much about it. |
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| 07:21.20 | trui | i'm looking, but someone installed the .deb from the stretch page and it worked for them, if you're interested, MarchHare |
| 07:21.24 | trui | https://packages.debian.org/stretch/dosemu |
| 07:23.09 | trui | (i'm not sure if adding stretch to your sources or getting the .deb is more supported https://packages.debian.org/stretch/amd64/dosemu/download) |
| 07:24.47 | trui | i'm guessing the .deb is better |
| 07:25.47 | trui | considering the first line of DontBreakDebian is 'Debian Stable should not be combined with other releases carelessly. If you're trying to install software that isn't available in the current Debian Stable release, it's not a good idea to add repositories for other Debian releases.' |
| 07:26.13 | MarchHare | trui: Yeah, I saw that, too. I also found a ppa for DOSEMU2. |
| 07:26.32 | MarchHare | It seems to work, but I guess I'm not sure why regular dosemu isn't in the standard repos? |
| 07:27.21 | MarchHare | I didn't think dosemu tended to break much of the rest of the OS. |
| 07:27.27 | trui | probably the maintainer didn't have the time. there's a way to check, but i forget, MarchHare |
| 07:27.40 | MarchHare | (Using mint, but I think dosemu is coming from the deb repos) |
| 07:28.54 | MarchHare | trui: Meh. It's a minor annoyance, more so than a major dealbreaker. I do a lot of OS tinkering with DOSEMU, though. Great for HW code prototyping. |
| 07:29.19 | trui | it's not in debian 10, no. and uhoh, now i have to do an obligatory |
| 07:29.21 | trui | !mint |
| 07:29.21 | dpkg | Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>. |
| 07:29.35 | trui | and then find out the answer regardless, because i'm curious lol |
| 07:30.04 | MarchHare | Yeah yeah, I know. It's a debian derivative. I'm well aware. But Dosemu comes from upstream and I saw tale that it wasn't in debian either. |
| 07:30.22 | MarchHare | Figured I would ask what was happening upstream |
| 07:30.38 | MarchHare | If I figure it out, I might pop back in and say something. |
| 07:30.48 | MarchHare | But I didn't find a whole lot during my googling. |
| 07:31.12 | trui | ah, there's the link. |
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| 07:31.21 | trui | https://packages.qa.debian.org/d/dosemu/news/20200307T232236Z.html MarchHare |
| 07:31.43 | trui | looks like here's where you go to find this stuff |
| 07:31.46 | trui | https://packages.qa.debian.org/d/dosemu.html |
| 07:32.08 | MarchHare | Abandoned? You gotta be kidding me |
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| 07:32.50 | trui | though that link is telling me i should use the new package tracker site so, https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/dosemu |
| 07:33.05 | trui | same answer though. |
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| 07:41.23 | trui | wikipedia lists 72 Debian-based distros, and that's not even including the ones based on Ubuntu. |
| 07:41.44 | trui | '72 distros, what do you get? Another day older and deeper in debt.' |
| 07:42.02 | trui | or based on any of the 72 distros for that matter. |
| 07:43.25 | trui | Has anyone calculated how many distros make use of Debian at the top? Debian -> Ubuntu -> Trisquel for example. |
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| 07:44.30 | trui | I need some more fun statistics for when people have <based on Debian> questions. |
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| 07:47.02 | trui | https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/69/DebianFamilyTree1210.svg is outdated but still fun. |
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| 08:03.57 | trui | looks like distrowatch says the total with Debian upstream is 121. fun |
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| 08:07.17 | rk4 | wonder how much traffic distrowatch gets nowdays |
| 08:07.41 | rk4 | distrowatch, freshmeat, used to be the places to go! |
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| 08:13.08 | rk4 | well that's extremely awkward, i seem to have lost my /etc/passwd file |
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| 10:18.02 | Ede|Popede | rk4: happened to me a few times in mc, which usually meant i lost some history. or during a quick edit, usually worse. warns if the file was changed by another program, but does open(,w) without checking diskspace. <o>SO SAD!</o> |
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| 10:36.09 | dob1 | I was looking at this https://guide.munin-monitoring.org/en/stable-2.0/example/webserver/nginx.html the spawn-fcgi commands are meant to be executed just one time? |
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| 10:39.19 | dob1 | ah but there is this too http://guide.munin-monitoring.org/en/latest/example/webserver/nginx-cron.html |
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| 10:57.42 | dob1 | I would like a munin plugin that counts the process with a specific name |
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| 10:57.47 | dob1 | processes |
| 10:58.12 | ratrace | so write one? they're very easy to write |
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| 10:58.59 | ratrace | #bash maybe |
| 10:59.05 | bigterd | oh yeah |
| 10:59.59 | bigterd | https://pastebin.com/kiU5XzJh if your curious |
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| 11:15.11 | Ede|Popede | does debian come with a player i could use for livestreams which use mpd? |
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| 11:16.58 | Rodon | how to kill/restart mpd ? mpd.socket/service disabled .. but mpd still runs. everything is running fine though but one occasion when mpd/ncmpcpp freezed while momentary internet disconnection ..then i couldnt restart/kill mpd . |
| 11:20.33 | JGod-Pope666 | anyone knows any really hardcore linux Terminal guys? |
| 11:20.58 | JGod-Pope666 | I need to copy a folder with images into multiple folders with 200 files in each. |
| 11:21.17 | JGod-Pope666 | So I have one big folder I need them in folders 1 2 3 4 5 6 a 200 files in each |
| 11:21.22 | JGod-Pope666 | how can I do that easily? |
| 11:21.52 | apollo13 | a for loop and modulu to distribute over the folders? |
| 11:21.57 | apollo13 | modulo* |
| 11:22.44 | Rodon | mpd.conf https://paste.debian.net/1178482/ |
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| 11:32.32 | dob1 | ratrace, I remembered there was one, I was looking for process and instead it's ps_ |
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| 11:37.53 | ratrace | dob1: https://dpaste.org/NUgu |
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| 11:48.46 | dob1 | ratrace, but how do you setup in which group it will be listed? |
| 11:49.09 | ratrace | dob1: via graph_category in the "configure" phase |
| 11:49.23 | dob1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:49.28 | ratrace | I put "system" in the example, you can use whatever you want, just check which categories are there on your end |
| 11:49.42 | dob1 | ratrace, thanks |
| 11:50.42 | dob1 | but when you do ps ax |grep something it doesn't count the grep something too? |
| 11:51.21 | dob1 | for example ps aux |grep bash I have grep bash too in output |
| 11:51.54 | ratrace | and btw there's a -c missing in that grep. yes, I think that would count the grep itself so you can substract 1 one, or do a grep | grep -vc dance |
| 11:53.58 | ratrace | or maybe use pgrep -c |
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| 11:55.47 | rk4 | lanoxx: perhaps, but official debian stuff is on that other ircnet, not freenode |
| 11:56.33 | lanoxx | rk4, ok, will try to join there. |
| 11:56.44 | rk4 | the bar for 'really hardcore linux Terminal guy' has certainly dropped a bit |
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| 12:13.31 | n4dir | grep [b]ash would avoid that |
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| 12:17.35 | n4dir | perhaps dob1 ^^ ; too long ago |
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| 12:18.05 | dob1 | pgrep -c "^processname$" should work |
| 12:18.40 | n4dir | if i know something which looks super weird, at least offer an applause ! :-) |
| 12:22.54 | dob1 | ah I didn't know what [b]ash means to be honest |
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| 12:48.32 | rk4 | /usr/share/docs/*/README.Debian is the sort of extremely useful content, that a commercial enterprise might well completely omit, since it's difficult to know how many people actually read it so is high on a product managers chopping block, and isn't compelling to sales |
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| 13:11.51 | hramrach | hello |
| 13:12.08 | hramrach | how do I tell where grub-pc will be installed on grub upgrade |
| 13:12.47 | hramrach | there is soe logic that tries to determine if it should be installed at all, and assuming that it determines it should be installed where does it get installed? |
| 13:14.38 | trysten | Erg! I can't do this in the manual: 4.3.1. Preparing a USB stick using a hybrid CD or DVD image |
| 13:15.48 | trysten | it says: Create a second, FAT partition on the stick. Well how tf am I supposed to do that? I open it in gdisk and it says it has both MBR and GPT. There is no clearly defined free space to partition! |
| 13:16.49 | hramrach | I open it with 'fdisk --wipe never' and it just works |
| 13:17.23 | hramrach | at least for my images |
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| 13:19.55 | themill | trysten: out of interest, why are you doing that? (it's not needed for most people) |
| 13:23.56 | unborn | rk4: your bar did drop a bit.. never mind you point user to correct debian resources which was nice touch |
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| 13:25.47 | unborn | trysten: have you tried ventoy? if not have look on youtube.. it does work with debian isos - just copy them over.. and - it deos work (be it usb, hdd with usb) |
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| 13:32.08 | Ede|Popede | seconds ventoy, looks good so far |
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| 13:35.39 | themill | predicts it will fail with some obscure "cannot mount cdrom" error for most people and we'll add it to the shit list |
| 13:36.58 | Ede|Popede | !tias |
| 13:36.58 | dpkg | TIAS is "Try It And See". |
| 13:37.02 | Ede|Popede | @everyone |
| 13:37.38 | Ede|Popede | download, run, get the iso, put it there, boot. doesn't take more time than a cup of coffee |
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| 13:38.45 | themill | booting is irrelevant. installing in a VM is barely relevant |
| 13:39.31 | Ede|Popede | why would it be necessary to have the iso bootable on a stick? |
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| 13:43.18 | mrkramps | he's probably trying because section 4.3.1 tells him to try |
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| 13:44.10 | themill | hence me asking if they're sure it's necessary |
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| 13:45.29 | Ede|Popede | it's definitely easier to just cp/dd the iso to the device, which i did with a 1GB one, later on 4GB. but i'm not sure i'd like the idea of wasting a 64 or 128GB stick to just an installer. |
| 13:45.43 | Z4CHe | anyone use debian on chrome os? |
| 13:46.25 | mrkramps | i mean, the idea of creating an additional partition is good, but afaik not working with tools like gdisk or gparted in this case |
| 13:48.44 | Ede|Popede | for the iso-on-a-stick thing, ventoy takes care of it. first a data partition, then a tiny one at the end. |
| 13:49.17 | Ede|Popede | just didn't find the time so far to look what it's actually doing. |
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| 13:57.33 | spacedust | sauvin: sorry mate :) i didnt ment to be a total idiot :) |
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| 14:22.53 | j`ey | im confused about the 'detect and mount CD-ROM' option in the installer step, on the netinst.iso |
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| 14:24.13 | trysten | themill: for the reason specified in the manual: to load firmware files. It seems necessary to get the wireless working, but I could be wrong about that |
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| 14:25.37 | trysten | hramrach: yes it just worked. |
| 14:26.18 | trysten | But why? gpart supports both MBR and GPT, but doesn't deal with them properly? It doesn't make sense. |
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| 14:27.13 | rhalff | Hi doesn't anybody know a good way to host a private debian package repository in docker? I'm currently trying aptly, but to me it's still rather complicated and too much. Is there a simpler docker image available? I basically just want to publish/host a handful of private packages. |
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| 14:28.43 | trysten | rhalff: did you read https://wiki.debian.org/DebianRepository/Setup#Debian_Repository_Generation_Tools |
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| 14:31.03 | themill | !firmware image |
| 14:31.03 | dpkg | There are <live> system and <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages available from https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ The images are "unofficial" because "official Debian" includes only 100% free software. They are otherwise identical to the normal installer images and prepared by the same Debian Developers. See <check iso>. |
| 14:31.13 | themill | trysten: ^^ |
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| 14:35.14 | trysten | that's just too easy huh. Thanks. btw, i've been in this chat room for over a decade. used to go by acidslep or dr.bunshin. You've helped me a lot over the years |
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| 14:36.29 | trysten | thought that was interesting trivia since the install question makes me seem like a noob. I guess I still am *.* |
| 14:37.23 | rhalff | trysten, yeah I've read all that. I have aptly up and running on a domain with basic authentication. I don't really understand how I can now 'push' a package I've build. The repository itself seems to be working correctly. It shows the repositories I've created, which are still empty. |
| 14:42.16 | trysten | rhalff: maybe this? https://www.aptly.info/doc/feature/filesystem/ |
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| 14:47.09 | rhalff | trysten, that seems to be local publishing. I would like to publish the package from my desktop to the remote url. e.g. to repo.mydomain.com and that domain is already running aptly. |
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| 14:51.08 | trysten | Yes, what is backing aptly at that domain? The system running aptly is where you need to put the files, it seems |
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| 14:55.14 | rhalff | Ok, I probably need to upload it: https://www.aptly.info/doc/api/files/ but even than it's not fully added yet. I thought there would be a standard debian tool for publishing packages. |
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| 14:57.52 | rhalff | And then I would have to use: https://www.aptly.info/doc/api/repos/#add-packages-from-uploaded-filedirectory with a second call. It's explained nowhere though :-) |
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| 15:00.02 | trysten | I think i see what you're getting at. yeah I suppose the standard tool would be scp |
| 15:00.50 | trysten | That's what I would do, simply copy the files to the appropiate directory. But I think I understand wanting to go through the aptly API |
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| 15:03.43 | quadrathoch2 | trysten just as a sidenote, scp is deprecated ;) |
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| 15:05.04 | rhalff | scp deprectated? in what sense? |
| 15:05.30 | trysten | it's probably ancient. I'm guessing sftp is the successor |
| 15:05.46 | quadrathoch2 | rhalff scp has security issues. that's why sftp is favored |
| 15:05.52 | rhalff | ok, I'm always using scp. |
| 15:06.06 | rhalff | Perhaps I'm deprecated :p |
| 15:06.24 | quadrathoch2 | it only happened like half a year ago or a year, can't remember |
| 15:06.36 | trysten | if you're copying a lot between remotes, check out rclone rhalff |
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| 15:09.04 | trysten | I just wiped my laptop by accidentally selecting "use entire disk" D: |
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| 15:10.27 | nevivurn | Huh, what kind of vulnerabilities? |
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| 15:11.16 | ananke | scp CLI tool is not being deprecated, rather the underlying mechanism of how it functions |
| 15:12.08 | ananke | and it hasn't been done/implemented yet, so none of this matters |
| 15:13.12 | trysten | ananke: wouldn't it kind of matter if the underlying protocall has weaknesses right now? whether or not it has been officially deprecated doesn't seem to matter |
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| 15:15.39 | Sark | So - this is a weird problem, but I just did a clean install of Debian 10.7, and the "Debian menu" won't come up at all. It's called in the window manager config file as f.menu "/Debian" - but attempting to use that menu does nothing. |
| 15:16.04 | Sark | And to tell you the truth I was never quite sure where the Debian Menu came from in the first place, so I'm not sure what to look for. |
| 15:16.07 | nevivurn | I thought scp and sftp both used the same protocol under the hood... If it's a vulnerability with scp the utility, I'm guessing it's patched now. |
| 15:16.14 | Sark | Did I forget to install a package or something silly? |
| 15:16.29 | quadrathoch2 | it may still be usable right now, but the longterm goal is just to replace it |
| 15:16.42 | ananke | concerns over weaknesses in the 'protocol' are certainly valid, but I wouldn't consider them grave enough for casual use |
| 15:17.09 | ananke | nevivurn: this CVE has more details on what the concern is about: https://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2019-6111 |
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| 15:17.40 | nevivurn | Ah, so it's a vulnerability in the utility |
| 15:17.55 | nevivurn | So just patch and move on |
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| 15:20.09 | quadrathoch2 | hm nevivurn, this is what the devs say: It has proven very difficult to add "security" to the scp model. All attempts to "detect" and "prevent" anomalous argument transfers stand a great chance of breaking existing workflows. Yes, we recognize it the situation sucks. But we don't want to break the easy patterns people use scp for, until there is a |
| 15:20.09 | quadrathoch2 | commonplace replacement. |
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| 15:22.57 | nevivurn | Huh, I guess scp and co do more things than I thought |
| 15:23.22 | trysten | use sftp/rclone |
| 15:23.42 | trysten | Sark: you installed gnome? |
| 15:23.50 | Sark | No. |
| 15:23.50 | nevivurn | I haven't used scp in years, but yeah |
| 15:23.58 | Sark | I've never used gnome. |
| 15:29.43 | hramrach | is there are dm that suports autologin? |
| 15:30.07 | hramrach | nodm does not unlock keyring, lightdm does not seem to support it, gdm does not exist |
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| 15:33.12 | rhalff | hramrach, https://wiki.debian.org/LightDM#Enable_autologin I think you can also configure that through the UI somewhere though. |
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| 15:37.04 | DPA | I'm using reprepro to create a repo where I store packages compiled for various distributions. I used to include the distro and release as part of the package versions, but decided to stop doing that. |
| 15:37.04 | DPA | I've now run into a problem with that though, I'm having dists/<distro>-<release>/<component>/, and the packages end up in pool/<component>/, and now reprepro refuses to add packages to repos, because |
| 15:37.04 | DPA | the same package for different distributions end up with the same pool location, and because the're built on different distros, they are still different and the checksums won't match up. |
| 15:37.04 | DPA | I would need a way to change where reprepro puts the packages inside the pool so they won't collide, but I can't find a way to do that. How could I solve this problem? |
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| 15:45.10 | hramrach | rhalff: thanks, that enables autologin with lightdm. It dpes not unlock the keyring, though |
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| 15:54.54 | hramrach | and cannot log in with gdm3 at all |
| 15:55.12 | T-zEf | hi! I have "apt install" stuffs... later "apt remove" it... but still I guess some pieces from it remain in my system... how to know it and how to clean it? |
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| 15:57.27 | another | config files remain unless you purge |
| 15:59.37 | hramrach | also dependencies remain |
| 15:59.50 | T-zEf | the thing is i tried to purge after apt remove, is it not to late? |
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| 16:07.27 | hramrach | so after reboot I autologin with gdm3 works but the gnome keyring is not unlocked |
| 16:07.30 | hramrach | WTF |
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| 16:12.14 | T-zEf | haha, I have found a stupid way to clean it, I reinstalled it, then purge, then remove !!! |
| 16:12.28 | T-zEf | good? |
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| 16:14.36 | GNU\colossus | you can actually purge packages that you have uninstalled (without purging) |
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| 16:17.00 | T-zEf | GNU\colossus, how? |
| 16:17.23 | GNU\colossus | `apt-get purge package [package...]` |
| 16:17.39 | T-zEf | thank you |
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| 16:28.17 | TundraBear | Hello superusers! Help me please: alsa-utils doesn't show my firewire audiocard |
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| 16:50.00 | ratrace | TundraBear: does the kernel see it? grep dmesg for anything related to sound or audio |
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| 16:51.46 | unborn | TundraBear: hello - there is no super users - out there.. can you wake up please? - its you and debian no one else there... |
| 16:53.58 | unborn | how we might help you >>>? TundraBear ??? |
| 16:54.56 | TundraBear | give me a suggest how to run firewire audiocard on my OS |
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| 16:56.34 | unborn | TundraBear: give me £10 to advice you - or write you indian language manual how to scam over the internet - I will gladly give - otherwise - f uck you gently. |
| 16:57.30 | unborn | TundraBear came here from windows os.. |
| 16:57.37 | unborn | TundraBear is a scam |
| 16:57.41 | __dutch__ | TundraBear: https://linuxmusicians.com/viewtopic.php?t=21332 How to set up your card. |
| 16:57.52 | unborn | please be aware. |
| 16:58.03 | TundraBear | thank you guys! |
| 16:58.23 | unborn | TundraBear - fukc you :) |
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| 16:59.18 | sig_9 | lol |
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| 16:59.40 | unborn | word is out TundraBear - people should know.. and they know now.. |
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| 17:02.40 | TundraBear | <unborn> are you ukrainian? |
| 17:03.46 | unborn | TundraBear: oh no I am far a way from your - crap - I am proudly slovak :) not russian :D |
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| 17:05.17 | unborn | meh - I guess you lose -- been while.. |
| 17:07.49 | hramrach | heh, Windows is a username - I suspect most actual Windows IRC clients won't show your OS as username. And there is te other thing - the machine where you connect to IRC is not necessarily the one which you are trying to diagnose. It is better if not because changing to different kernel would disconnect you otherwise |
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| 17:09.37 | sig_9 | you can use znc |
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| 17:38.40 | mainstreet | Hello. So I'm trying to set up a simple mail... realy I just want to take everything in the domain I have and throw it into my gmail account. I've tried querying google several ways, and they explain how to set it up on gmail's end, but not on the mail server's end... and everything I can find on mail servers is just talking about how to run a 'real" mail server which is honestly probably less than helpful because I'm the only |
| 17:38.40 | mainstreet | user and I don't want to check yet another mail account. |
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| 17:39.11 | mainstreet | So what's the best way to do this? |
| 17:39.41 | sig_9 | what client are you choosing to use with gmail? |
| 17:39.47 | sig_9 | mail client |
| 17:39.49 | mainstreet | gmail itself |
| 17:39.53 | mainstreet | in browser |
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| 17:40.08 | sney | install postfix, and select the debconf option that basically says "send all mail to a different server" |
| 17:40.22 | mainstreet | right, okay, and that is? |
| 17:40.29 | sig_9 | I think there is a routing option somewhere in the browser gmail |
| 17:41.00 | sney | I don't remember how it's worded but it will ask you during the package install |
| 17:41.16 | mainstreet | sig_9: Yes, on gmail's end, this looks fine. But none of this is going to work if the domain box doesn't do it. |
| 17:41.27 | mainstreet | sney: Okay... let me try to reinstall postfix then. |
| 17:41.38 | sney | if you already have it, dpkg-reconfigure |
| 17:42.39 | mainstreet | Ah. |
| 17:42.44 | mainstreet | Satellite system is what I want? |
| 17:43.07 | sney | that sounds right |
| 17:44.12 | mainstreet | Hmmm. It's asking about a relay host. |
| 17:44.22 | mainstreet | Is that what needs to be set to gmail? |
| 17:45.30 | sney | I think so, try it |
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| 17:51.02 | alexrelis[m] | Would a swap partition be useful for me if I have 32 GBs of memory and can't hibernate? |
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| 17:52.29 | sjd | Does anyone have a recommended graphics card that works well with free drivers? |
| 17:53.29 | sig_9 | most intel |
| 17:53.55 | mainstreet | gmail's now saying connection refused... I think I need to open the port somehow, or something else is wrong. |
| 17:53.58 | alexrelis[m] | sjd: What's your budget? The verdict is to stick with AMD. But keep in mind that even though the drivers are baked into the kernel, you will still need to install `firmware-amd`. |
| 17:54.18 | sig_9 | AMD Radeon RX 5700 XT |
| 17:55.01 | alexrelis[m] | Just run away from Nvidia. AMD isn't perfect by any means, but still better than Nvidia. |
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| 17:55.45 | sjd | Yeah, budget is probably up to $200/$300 range. Have a 1060 now, but frustrated by the lack of support with free drivers (no ones fault but nvidias) |
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| 17:57.53 | alexrelis[m] | sjd: In that case, the 5700 XT would be a good pick. Consider saving a buck and going for a used one. |
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| 18:02.26 | henko | consider buying a fanless GPU when all you need is to drive displays without heavy lifting |
| 18:02.54 | sney | linux is healthier when it has a swap space available, even if it's barely used. but you can use something like zram or zswap to keep the swapped pages in a memory device instead of on disk |
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| 18:10.43 | Sark | I think I might have found a bug in the installer. When it loads, it claims it can't find the CDROM driver, but if you go through and manually select 'cdrom', it finds the CD and works. |
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| 18:11.02 | Sark | This is the latest netinst image I downloaded from debian.org yesterday. |
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| 18:25.18 | TundraBear | How to load firewire_core and firewire_ohci ? |
| 18:26.34 | henko | Sark: can't confirm. installed debian 10.7 on a ThinkPad X220 with ad cdrom drive in its Ultrabase. I don't think that I had that issue during installation |
| 18:26.51 | henko | Sark: I'm always using non-free iso though |
| 18:27.59 | Sark | This is now the second install I've done, and it dit it both times. Granted, both were on identical computers (Dell Optiplex 390) |
| 18:29.10 | Sark | The first time it happened I thought maybe it had something to do with the drive itself, since I had replaced that one with a burner. |
| 18:29.38 | Sark | But it did it on the other one with the stock player only drive. And it shouldn't matter, since it's a common SATA slimline optical drive, nothing special. |
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| 18:37.18 | zykotick9 | Sark: the issue you describe seem to come up when people prepare the install-USB using non-standard methods. If you've used some "tool" to create the USB, try using dd/cat/cp instead and see if things are different. |
| 18:37.47 | jaami | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:39.20 | jaami | i am using blueman-applet 20.4 |
| 18:39.49 | jaami | please help me to get my handfree added to sound output devices lis |
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| 18:51.33 | Sark | zykotick9: I didn't use USB. I burned a CD from the .iso I downloaded from debian.org using cdrecord on another Linux box. |
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| 18:53.33 | dob1 | to use fastcgi in nginx site configuration do I need to install something? |
| 18:53.34 | mcgreg | can anybody tell me if I can show the "activity" bar - which appear when I clikc on the activity menu in the top bar permanently? - like it is in ubuntu actually. I moved from ubuntu away to debian but my wife insist to have this bar back (or similar) |
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| 18:55.32 | diogenes_ | mcgreg, you mean the vertical panel on the left ? |
| 18:56.34 | mcgreg | diogenes_: yes |
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| 18:57.20 | diogenes_ | mcgreg, you need a special gnome extension for that. |
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| 19:01.32 | zykotick9 | Sark: in that case - ignore my suggestion ;) |
| 19:02.04 | diogenes_ | mcgreg, this is what you need: https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/307/dash-to-dock/ |
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| 19:04.13 | sney | Sark: that does sound like a bug, and makes me wonder how often the installer is tested on physical cds. if it's reproducible (e.g., same result from that iso burned by a different machine on a new cd) and the iso matches the md5sum from cdimage.debian.org, you should report it |
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| 19:08.14 | no112_ | god I love debian :) |
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| 19:08.33 | no112_ | my t41 is now semi-functional as a "daily" of sorts, pending a battery replacement and wireless card upgrade |
| 19:10.14 | henko | no112_: oldest machine I've tried installing debian to was X40 or X41 |
| 19:10.27 | henko | love the footprint and keyboard of those old machines |
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| 19:10.30 | no112_ | ah nice nice |
| 19:10.31 | no112_ | they are amazing |
| 19:10.55 | no112_ | I have an x22 here but i think the pentium III is gonna be a little too slow for daily use |
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| 19:11.59 | no112_ | right now i have palemoon (with thelounge as my irc client, running on docker on my server), spotifyd, and lite as my text editor. works perfect (albeit a tad slow, but nothing i cant deal with) |
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| 19:19.24 | Sark | no112_: I was using an old P4 era single CPU 32 bit Xeon as my primary daily machine until a couple of months ago when I scored some newer hardware. |
| 19:19.39 | Sark | It was totally usable... but certainly anything involving web browser media was unusable. |
| 19:20.17 | Sark | Fine for IRC, looking up documentation, email, etc. A Pentium III should be similarly on that ragged edge of "it works. Mostly." |
| 19:20.20 | Sark | hehe |
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| 19:23.13 | pasiz | Sark: PAE is mostly the turning point |
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| 19:29.08 | n4dir | Sark: i can confirm that |
| 19:30.20 | n4dir | sney: i usually do use CD's |
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| 19:31.24 | sney | n4dir: I'm more wondering if the release team/installer team test actual cds, vs booting the installer with qemu or so |
| 19:31.26 | henko | Sark: check out brow.sh |
| 19:31.57 | n4dir | sney: ah, yeah. Sure. Just saying that they work too, at least in once case. |
| 19:32.04 | n4dir | once/one |
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| 19:54.53 | no112_ | Sark: Ah yeah fair, Netburst right? My desktop is an i5 2500k currently, but seeing as we live in the digital age, and all my projects are stored on phabricator/GitHub, all I need is a terminal + Internet connection to upload my code, and then SSH to compile. So, this laptop is solid for what i need really. Poor web performance is a shame, but |
| 19:54.53 | no112_ | isn't really required. I do have a Thinkpad X201 coming that will be my true daily, but I do like the idea of a laptop that is almost entirely web-disconnected. |
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| 19:58.46 | imp | hello there.. I'm removing llvm from my system, by some reason it want to remove `texlive-humanities-doc` is there any way to display the removal dependencies, my question is which package is being removed in this graph to break texlive? |
| 19:59.36 | imp | btw. im trying to make llvm10 my default llvm in debian buster. But I could not find an `alternatives` configuration for llvm. |
| 20:00.51 | imp | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:01.02 | imp | is debian moving out from alternatives? |
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| 20:02.57 | no112_ | not too sure; at work we ssh into the dev servers, and just run a script that adds x LLVM version to our PATH, depending on what we are working on specifically (almost entirely LLVM 9). probably a very lazy solution tbh |
| 20:03.41 | imp | the problem is in "past" debian had a very nice solution to handle these defaults, alternative system always worked (at least to me). |
| 20:04.13 | imp | now seems there is a package `llvm` and `llvm-runtime` built from `llvm-defaults` that "hardcode" by symlinks llvm-11 as default. |
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| 20:05.20 | imp | instead use the `alternatives` system. Of course I can build my own script to handle this. But that could pottentialy break future atualizations. I would like to know to handle this to minimize the problem. |
| 20:05.55 | imp | and ther is no llvm-10-defaults or something like. |
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| 20:26.14 | edufmass | Hello, I have a notebook Dell 3410, is an i5-10310U, I've installed a ssd M2 Nvme 480 Gb Corsair MP510 B and I get this in dmesg nvme nvme0: missing or invalid SUBNQN field. shutdown timeout set to 10 seconds. Is that a bad problem? just a warning? |
| 20:29.48 | mrkramps | edufmass, seems to be just a warning |
| 20:30.32 | jmcnaught | I have that message in my logs too but I have never had a problem that I know of. |
| 20:30.50 | edufmass | ok, thanks :) |
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| 20:33.28 | edufmass | another questions.. it is my first notebook, which package are recommend to install that are for notebooks? I always used desktops pc. I was reading InstallDebianOn but it looks like info about drivers, firmware, support, but not utilities or software recommended for notebooks |
| 20:33.58 | mrkramps | tlp |
| 20:34.05 | mrkramps | if not installed by default |
| 20:34.55 | edufmass | not installed, I did net install with build essential only |
| 20:34.59 | mrkramps | oh, and a battery monitor might help :P |
| 20:35.35 | edufmass | I've installed acpi and i3 by default shows % in the status bar :) |
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| 20:36.25 | edufmass | thank you mrkramps |
| 20:36.33 | mrkramps | you're welcome |
| 20:37.08 | phogg | laptops are mostly like desktops with batteries. Some specific models have model-specific utilities that drive model-specific features, like funky extra keys |
| 20:37.43 | mrkramps | if you have to much time you can dive into the topic of energy saving with linux |
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| 20:39.31 | phogg | and for energy saving a good place to start is powertop |
| 20:39.43 | edufmass | phogg, I have volume keys, play/pause, brightness, screen |
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| 20:40.44 | phogg | edufmass: Those will *usually* "just work" without extra effort, but some of them on some models *can* require utilities. |
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| 20:42.55 | mcgreg | diogenes_: thx you |
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| 20:43.16 | edufmass | ok, for now I'm going to customize i3 and then read about powertop, next I'll try those keys |
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| 20:55.02 | sinkmanu | hi |
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| 21:11.37 | jhutchins | I believe there is a "notebook" task available that installs several useful things, but a computer is a computer. Sometimes you do have to take some extra steps to handle sleep modes and hotkeys. |
| 21:12.21 | jhutchins | These days most of the hot keys work, and the ones that don't just wont. |
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| 21:14.44 | mrkramps | it's "laptop" task, but nothing special in there |
| 21:16.12 | jhutchins | Yeah, laptop. |
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| 21:17.26 | alex11 | https://paste.debian.net/1178542/ what's going on here? |
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| 21:25.13 | pasiz | alex11: 404, not found. Typical error when server could not fullfill your request |
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| 21:25.28 | henko | just check with 'xev -event keyboard' when running X or 'showkey -a' when on tty |
| 21:25.44 | henko | should get you covered :) |
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| 21:37.34 | OneLegend | I've dual booted debian and windows but I installed the grub on a FAT32 flashdrive by accident. I tried booting from that flashdrive again, but nothing was detected. |
| 21:38.54 | sney | !fixmbr |
| 21:38.55 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. |
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| 22:06.59 | Thete | is it possible to install packages from experimental on sid? |
| 22:07.11 | nkuttler | yes |
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| 22:09.22 | Thete | I'm tryin to install nvidia-driver (455.45.01-1) with apt -t experimental install nvidia-kernel-dkms but it's saying "nvidia-driver is already the newest version (450.80.02-2)" even though the package is in https://packages.debian.org/experimental/nvidia-driver |
| 22:09.35 | Thete | not sure what I'm doing wrong |
| 22:10.08 | nkuttler | !experimental |
| 22:10.08 | dpkg | experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does _not_ support experimental. For an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference. http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ |
| 22:10.43 | Thete | I understand the dangerousings |
| 22:10.45 | Thete | lol |
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| 22:11.57 | Thete | I guess I will do it manually then, ty |
| 22:12.23 | sponix | ,v nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 22:12.24 | judd | Package: nvidia-kernel-dkms on amd64 -- jessie/non-free: 340.106-1; stretch-proposed-updates/non-free: 390.132-1; stretch/non-free: 390.138-1; stretch-backports/non-free: 418.74-1~bpo9+1; buster/non-free: 418.152.00-1; buster-backports/non-free: 450.80.02-1~bpo10+1; bullseye/non-free: 450.80.02-1; sid/non-free: 450.80.02-2; experimental/non-free: 455.45.01-1 |
| 22:13.58 | Thete | judd: thank you :) |
| 22:14.22 | Thete | I did not have non-free enabled |
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| 22:15.03 | sponix | Thete: apt-cache madison nvidia-kernel-dkms should show what is available |
| 22:15.35 | Thete | tryin to get nvidia 3080 workin which was added in 455 |
| 22:16.04 | sponix | wish you luck |
| 22:16.09 | Thete | it's working now :) |
| 22:16.12 | Thete | thank you |
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| 22:59.23 | FightingFalcon | Can i update debian 9 to debian 10? |
| 23:00.02 | sponix | FightingFalcon: I've heard it is possible |
| 23:00.05 | sney | dpkg: stretch->buster |
| 23:00.06 | dpkg | Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <release notes> http://deb.li/JFKc . TL;DR: In /etc/apt/sources.list, change "stretch" to "buster", remove lines like stretch-backports, debian-multimedia <dmo>, and other 3rd party repos as they are known to cause issues then do: apt update && apt upgrade && apt full-upgrade |
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| 23:28.38 | alexrelis[m] | I have an install of Windows on an SSD. Does anyone know how I can use QEMU/KVM+virt-manager to "virtualize" my SSD so I can run Windows from that SSD? To clarify, I don't want to copy the contents of the drive as in image, I want to basically still use the SSD but just have it virtualized whenever I need to run a Windows program. |
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| 23:29.20 | Thete | does kvm virt-manager run on mac? |
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| 23:29.23 | pasiz | alexrelis[m]: pass it through |
| 23:30.04 | Thete | sorry wrong room |
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| 23:30.44 | alexrelis[m] | pasiz: Hmmm... |
| 23:35.29 | zykotick9 | alexrelis[m]: i'm currently doing something similar, but it was a fresh install (I'm passing a graphics card to the vms). While I've been successful with my graphics card passthrough, I'm still using a RAW image on an SSD rather than the SSD itself (but it's user ignorance causing the issue). Trying to convert an existing install might be "messy" (I'm looking at you video drivers and windows |
| 23:35.35 | zykotick9 | activiation)?!?! Virt-Manager with KVM and all the virtio stuff works well for me overall. |
| 23:36.10 | alexrelis[m] | zykotick9: Hmmm... Shouldn't the drivers not load if Windows doens't detect the hardware present on the system? |
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| 23:37.24 | alexrelis[m] | uploaded an image: image.png (462KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/GkCmkQIUUYzHrqmKXZKWULDh/image.png > |
| 23:37.31 | alexrelis[m] | I get this message when trying to pass through the disk. |
| 23:37.32 | zykotick9 | alexrelis[m]: my previous setup, involved removable HDs (sata non-hotswapable) - windows did NOT like video card changes at all in my experience. YMMV |
| 23:38.44 | alexrelis[m] | I'm guessing my error is ocurring because QEMU is BIOS and not UEFI by default, but I actually installed the addon which gives me a UEFI option, so I'm wondering if there's a way to let me passthrough regardless. |
| 23:38.46 | zykotick9 | alexrelis[m]: i had that EXACT same error. Something else to look into, perhaps passing the drive through the Add Hardware / STorage / option - but that also failed for me. |
| 23:39.23 | alexrelis[m] | zykotick9: I'm almost certain it's because QEMU is BIOS-only by default which means it wouldn't support GPT partitions. |
| 23:39.53 | zykotick9 | in my case, it isn't - I needed to use uefi, to avoid teh dumping video card bios stuff. |
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| 23:40.52 | jmcnaught | alexrelis[m]: on that "Add new storage pool" dialog where you tried adding the disk, change the Format drop-down from auto to gpt |
| 23:41.30 | zykotick9 | fyi, you select the bios vs uefi when you create teh VM ("customize options" during the creation) i don't think you can change it after the fact. |
| 23:41.54 | jmcnaught | alexrelis[m]: these are the docs for that storage pool type: https://libvirt.org/storage.html#StorageBackendDisk note that "Volumes are created by adding partitions to the disk" so hopefully it is not tricky to match the drive letters Windows had with native booting. |
| 23:42.30 | jmcnaught | alexrelis[m]: an alternative that might work if your hardware supports it is PCI-passthrough of the SATA controller that the drive is plugged into |
| 23:42.55 | alexrelis[m] | jmcnaught: Your solution worked! But I have a follow up question. |
| 23:43.03 | alexrelis[m] | uploaded an image: image.png (474KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/pJHsEKxJaRhLCsjhczuIpTBv/image.png > |
| 23:43.20 | alexrelis[m] | Which volume do I pick? I want all the partitions to be included. |
| 23:44.07 | alexrelis[m] | jmcnaught: |
| 23:44.08 | alexrelis[m] | >an alternative that might work if your hardware supports it is PCI-passthrough of the SATA controller that the drive is plugged into |
| 23:44.08 | alexrelis[m] | I am accessing this drive through a USB to m.2 enclosure. |
| 23:46.31 | jmcnaught | alexrelis[m]: I don't know what all those partitions are. I would guess that the largest one is C:. You might need to add each volume/partition as a virtual disk for the VM |
| 23:47.19 | alexrelis[m] | jmcnaught: Oh sorry. sdb1 is the EFI partition, sdb2 I presume is for Windows boot loader, sdb3 is C:, sdb4 is nothing. |
| 23:47.30 | alexrelis[m] | Okay I'll see what I can do. |
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| 23:50.40 | alexrelis[m] | And it says /dev/sdb right now, but will these changed be persistent upon reboot? Like, if on another day I had plugged in a flash drive that took the place of /dev/sdb, would QEMU get confused? Or is it assigned by UUID? |
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| 23:53.32 | jmcnaught | alexrelis[m]: I think you will run into problems doing this by USB. For the storage pool that you just created (named 'pool'?) you can run "virsh pool-dumpxml pool" to see the XML config for it. |
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| 23:55.30 | jmcnaught | alexrelis[m]: libvirt will probably at least complain if it is started without this USB storage pool available. |
| 23:56.49 | jmcnaught | s/libvirt/libvirtd.service |
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