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| 00:24.31 | zykotick9 | jmcnaught: alexrelis[m]: thank you both. I'm now installing onto the ssd directly. Why... I'm not sure. That dropdown jmcnaught pointed out only had AUTO as an option, thus that didn't change. As I suspected, user ignorance in this case - but it's working. |
| 00:26.59 | alexrelis[m] | zykotick9: Interesting. |
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| 00:27.31 | alexrelis[m] | I currently am having an issue where I can import all the partitions but the system won't boot. |
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| 00:32.18 | jmcnaught | zykotick9: I use the LVM storage pool where each volume is a logical volume. This lets me use LVM snapshotting on my Windows VM's C:. Then I PCIe passthrough an NVMe drive that I install games to. |
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| 00:36.52 | sponix | jmcnaught: what GPU do you pass through ? |
| 00:37.16 | Emil | Hey |
| 00:37.37 | Emil | Where might a search domain be set? I'm on DigitalOcean hosted Debian 10.7 |
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| 00:38.31 | Emil | Ie `ping asdf` works and resolves to asdf.fi |
| 00:38.33 | zykotick9 | jmcnaught: very cool. For a short time last week, I abandoned using my 2nd SSD for my two VMs, and used a 5200rpm spinning disk. Wasn't comparable. I haven't experienced nvme myself. |
| 00:39.21 | jmcnaught | sponix: GTX 980 |
| 00:39.53 | sponix | zykotick9: I honestly didn't notice the change from sata ssd to nvme in my daily use. not like the huge leap from spinners to ssd drives |
| 00:40.26 | zykotick9 | sponix: thanks ;) good to know (now I don't have to feel as bad) |
| 00:40.58 | sponix | jmcnaught: I run off a 960, and have passed a 580 in, but seems I might be victim of a "reset bug" that has never been fixed |
| 00:42.58 | jmcnaught | sponix: I used to pass through an RX 460 with the reset bug, I could work around it by suspending the host Debian system between guest VM boots but it was still a nuissance. Now that 460 is my Debian host's GPU. |
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| 00:43.35 | r399 | help, i just installed debian and i have no sound |
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| 00:43.47 | r399 | all it says for sound devices is dummy output |
| 00:44.08 | jmcnaught | Emil: /etc/resolv.conf |
| 00:44.15 | alexrelis[m] | r399: What is your sound card? |
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| 00:45.04 | Emil | jmcnaught: just my google dns |
| 00:45.21 | Emil | jmcnaught: ie 8.8.8.8 and the ipv6 versions |
| 00:45.26 | Emil | sd ir |
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| 00:46.31 | r399 | alexrelis, im not sure, how do i check? |
| 00:47.04 | alexrelis[m] | r399: lscpi -v | grep Audio |
| 00:47.54 | r399 | alexrelis, says command not found |
| 00:48.03 | r399 | when i try to run this |
| 00:48.08 | alexrelis[m] | r399: lspci* my bad |
| 00:48.48 | r399 | alexrelis, says intel tiger lake |
| 00:49.00 | r399 | for the multimedia audio controller |
| 00:49.02 | alexrelis[m] | r399: Can I have the full output? |
| 00:49.39 | sponix | r399: run this: lspci -v | grep Audio | nc termbin.com 9999 |
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| 00:49.51 | sponix | and then just provide the link given |
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| 00:50.08 | r399 | 00:13.3 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp Tiger Lake-LP Smart Sound Technology Audio Controller rev20 |
| 00:50.31 | r399 | subsystem: Dell tiger lake smart sound technology audio controller |
| 00:50.40 | r399 | apologies, its on a different machine |
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| 00:50.57 | r399 | so had to type it out |
| 00:52.38 | r399 | alexrelis, let me know if there is anything else I can do to check |
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| 00:54.57 | sney | tiger lake is probably too new for 4.19, try with the kernel from buster-backports |
| 00:56.48 | r399 | sney, im using the most recent testing version |
| 00:57.01 | r399 | with firmware included |
| 00:57.15 | sney | that is something you need to lead with when you ask for help, so people don't waste time giving you the wrong information |
| 00:57.22 | sney | also, testing isn't supported here. |
| 00:57.25 | sney | !debian-next |
| 00:57.26 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also https://wiki.debian.org/IRC and https://wiki.debian.org/GettingHelpOnIrc |
| 00:57.38 | r399 | sney, apologies, youre right, i should have been more specific |
| 00:59.49 | edufmass | My sound wasn't working, I have a dell 3410 with i5 10th gen, I had to add GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="snd-intel-dspcfg.dps_driver=1" |
| 00:59.49 | edufmass | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:00.23 | r399 | edufmass, thanks, i'll try that |
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| 01:01.10 | edufmass | I found that solution in google, installed kernel 5.x from buster-backports |
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| 01:01.32 | Dagger | sponix: I use an RX 580 for passthrough, and it *seems* to work great. no reset issues that I've managed to spot yet (kernel 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-amd64, qemu 5.0.0-rc0, Intel i5-6600k on an ASRock Z170 Extreme4 motherboard in case any of that is relevant) |
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| 01:10.27 | zykotick9 | I'm passing through a GTX 760 and have no idea what this "reset bug" is, "code 43" i'm familar with ;) |
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| 01:19.01 | henko | zykotick9: when passing though a AMD GPU some models have a reset bug where you can pass it through only once. when you shutdown your VM you can't pass it through again so you need to run a reset script of some sort or entierly reboot you host |
| 01:19.18 | henko | but the reset bugs are mostly fixed IIRC |
| 01:19.19 | sponix | Dagger: chances are I'm just doing something wrong |
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| 01:20.25 | sponix | I should give it another go in the near future |
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| 01:23.41 | zykotick9 | henko: thanks. interesting. everything i'd read pointed to amd being MUCH better for passthrough (nothing's perfect) |
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| 01:39.49 | zykotick9 | doesn't notice any real performance difference between using the ssd passed through and his previous ssd as storage pool with RAW image file on it. Not needing the RH virtio iso to find a HD to install on was different. |
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| 03:19.37 | rhalff | edufmass, regarding i3, regolith desktop is also worth trying: https://github.com/regolith-linux/regolith-desktop/issues/32 although installing it on debian is a bit more manual work. |
| 03:20.11 | genr8_ | edufmass, you made a typo in your snd-intel-dspcfg. its dsp_driver not dps_ |
| 03:22.02 | genr8_ | (when the guy comes back and says "it didnt work") |
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| 03:44.34 | edufmass | genr8_, right, I misspelled here |
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| 03:53.17 | edufmass | rhalff, looks nice! before i3 I used openbox, I really like it but last release is from 2015 |
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| 03:58.56 | cstls | edufmass, have you given dwm a look? |
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| 04:02.33 | edufmass | cstls, I didn't try it. Like always happend, I search for distro, some says debian, other arch, etc. Then searched for window manager, the same, many opinions.. I chose i3 xD |
| 04:02.43 | edufmass | (I don't speak english very well) |
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| 04:32.47 | brachamh | gotta love debian! my uptime on this laptop right now is one hour short of 38 days, and it's still running awesome! had a slight hiccup when i left a browser window open with facebook for a while (overnight i think) but closed that and let the system straighten itself back out, and still going strong! |
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| 06:20.53 | Ede|Popede | has .local ever been used for something different than .local/share? |
| 06:22.12 | tomreyn | .local/{bin,lib,etc} |
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| 06:23.13 | Ede|Popede | but share is the only one used automatically it seems |
| 06:24.58 | Ede|Popede | i used to copy the /usr/local structure in the past already, i think i will return to it on the long run. but there's also .cache and .config used by $everything, and the latter at least could also be part of .local then? |
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| 09:11.05 | unixbsd | Good morning |
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| 10:27.52 | unixbsd | does pegasus email still exist in debian? I had this pegasus email for Debian potato |
| 10:31.46 | petn-randall | unixbsd: Doubtful, since it's a) windows-only, and b) proprietary software. |
| 10:32.02 | n4dir | if apt-cache search pegasus doesn't show it, then no |
| 10:32.03 | petn-randall | unixbsd: You can however still run it with wine, which you probably did in potato. |
| 10:32.08 | unixbsd | I believed that it was on our linux debian potatoe. it seems for windows today. |
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| 10:35.05 | quadrathoch2 | ,v pegasus |
| 10:35.06 | judd | No package named 'pegasus' was found in amd64. |
| 10:36.48 | unixbsd | After little duckduckgo search, it might have been then on NT. I was likely using kmail in 2000, but cannot remember. |
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| 10:37.24 | ratrace | there's mutt if you only want to "email party like it's early 1990s" |
| 10:37.44 | henko | or neomutt |
| 10:38.10 | henko | trying neomutt myself to :) |
| 10:38.34 | henko | I want the hardcore tty only vibes |
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| 10:42.00 | quadrathoch2 | wow i thought mutt would be way older |
| 10:43.04 | unixbsd | pegasus mail was pretty nice email client. Today, my thunderbird is abbout 20 GB! |
| 10:43.21 | unixbsd | (* ~/.thunderbird dir). |
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| 10:45.51 | quadrathoch2 | unixbsd I am so glad that like 99,9% of my mails are text only (no html) |
| 10:46.46 | unixbsd | html and all those things make easily huge email box + comes calendar... best is then when ms comes with exchnage and all plugisn |
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| 12:36.53 | Deyaa | Hello |
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| 12:37.44 | Deyaa | I'm installing a new Debian on my laptop how to create a file to install required packages |
| 12:38.00 | Deyaa | Including GitHub repos |
| 12:43.21 | rk4 | Deyaa: `vi setup.bash` |
| 12:45.10 | rk4 | there's dpkg set selections stuffs, but that 'including GitHub repos' sounds like you have some bespoke things in mind |
| 12:45.42 | rk4 | one could always use puppet/chef/et al to setup your computer too if you are so inclined |
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| 12:59.53 | Deyaa | rk4: I just to make packages installation automatic without having to bother remembering everytime |
| 13:01.38 | rk4 | bash script is the simplest imho |
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| 13:09.41 | antto | ,v kicad |
| 13:09.42 | judd | Package: kicad on amd64 -- jessie: 0.20140622+bzr4027-3; stretch: 4.0.5+dfsg1-4; stretch-backports: 5.0.2+dfsg1-1~bpo9+1; buster: 5.0.2+dfsg1-1; stretch-backports-sloppy: 5.1.6+dfsg1-1~bpo9+1; buster-backports: 5.1.8+dfsg1-1~bpo10+1; bullseye: 5.1.8+dfsg1-1+b1; sid: 5.1.9+dfsg1-1 |
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| 13:21.17 | antto | ,v libwxwidgets |
| 13:21.18 | judd | No package named 'libwxwidgets' was found in amd64. |
| 13:21.24 | antto | ,v wxwidgets |
| 13:21.25 | judd | No package named 'wxwidgets' was found in amd64. |
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| 13:27.07 | judd | Package: wx-common on amd64 -- jessie: 3.0.2-1+b1; stretch: 3.0.2+dfsg-4; stretch-backports: 3.0.4+dfsg-4~bpo9+1; buster: 3.0.4+dfsg-8; bullseye: 3.0.5.1+dfsg-2; sid: 3.0.5.1+dfsg-2 |
| 13:27.14 | _Onyx47_ | apparently |
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| 13:52.46 | search_social | Hello, I just followed the instructions to build a copy of ungoogled chromium and it gave me a ungoogled-chromium_84.0.4147.135-1.buster1_amd64.deb file;;; I am wondering if there is a way for me to install this file "locally" i.e. in my home directory without root. |
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| 14:03.33 | ratrace | search_social: afaik no. but why? why not install it normally? |
| 14:03.38 | eestiman | If I originally used nftables with iptables alternative being set to iptables-legacy, then removed nftables and installed iptables.... should I do something with the alternatives-update command related to iptables? |
| 14:04.00 | pasiz | search_social: dpkg -i package.deb --force-not-root --root=$HOME |
| 14:04.08 | pasiz | and beware of broken depencies |
| 14:04.13 | search_social | ratrace: pasiz: thank you |
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| 14:05.17 | eestiman | My goal is to have docker configure iptables which it isn't doing right now. |
| 14:05.56 | pasiz | eestiman: you mean update-alternatives |
| 14:06.04 | eestiman | Yes, probably :) |
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| 14:06.58 | pasiz | eestiman: do you see docker named chain in your policies? |
| 14:07.24 | pasiz | so there should be DOCKER and DOCKER-USER chains |
| 14:07.50 | eestiman | No, my iptables is completely clean (3 basic chains, all empty, all defaulting to ACCEPT). |
| 14:08.05 | eestiman | restarting docker and running docker-compose doesn't change that. |
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| 14:10.21 | henko | Why does the Debian wiki state that removing apparmor is not viable solution, rather disabling it? I thought Apparmor is the underlaying framework for Snaps. Why is Apparmor installed on default on a debian netinstall? |
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| 14:12.00 | henko | Why use Apparmor in the first place when SELinux does "seemingly" the same job? |
| 14:12.17 | ratrace | henko: AppArmor is a LSM and as such just a kernel module. what's default in buster, unlike stretch and before it, the kernel is compiled with that LSM enabled by default, previously you had to explicitly enable the module |
| 14:12.46 | ratrace | so... "removing" it would most likely include rebuilding the kernel, and it's not needed when you can simply: a) not use it or b) disable ti through kernel command line options |
| 14:13.03 | ratrace | selinux and apparmor are both MACs, but with different paradigms. in some cases one is better suitable than the other |
| 14:13.25 | henko | ratrace: oh i see |
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| 14:13.38 | henko | well I guess I'll keep it enabled then |
| 14:14.00 | ratrace | and debian opted for AA because ubuntu is AA's upstream and is defaulting to it actively, like RHEL clones are actively defaulting to selinux. |
| 14:14.18 | ratrace | so while selinux _is_ available on Debian, the question is how good are the policies and how much pain is there to make the ref policies work properly. |
| 14:14.30 | tarzeau | henko: but who is using snaps? |
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| 14:14.46 | ratrace | similarly, AA policies are almost nonexistent and those that do exist might not be 100% tested and usable. personally, I wrote all the AA policies that I use, myself. |
| 14:15.04 | tarzeau | ratrace: do you have them public? |
| 14:15.12 | tarzeau | testing on multiuser machines? |
| 14:15.16 | henko | tarzeau: I'm not... just came across apparmor. Trying to get rid of flatpaks atm |
| 14:15.23 | ratrace | no, and they wouldn't be usable publicly. I keep a very strict and customized environment that's not generically suitable |
| 14:15.50 | henko | ratrace: thanks for the insight |
| 14:16.13 | tarzeau | henko: i'm also trying to stick strictly to .deb: https://github.com/alexmyczko/autoexec.bat/blob/master/sw is a helpful script i wrote myself |
| 14:16.36 | henko | I guess I was spooked, cuz I've seen Snaps and Apparmor together. Seems the lather is completly fine :) |
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| 14:17.07 | ratrace | hah autoexec.bat . |
| 14:17.20 | tarzeau | ratrace: you didn't see my ls hack in .zshrc :) |
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| 14:17.46 | ratrace | henko: snaps don't use any packaged profiles but autogenerate them on the fly for running snaps. that said, they're usually good enough, and are the _only_ way to make the containers with a security boundary |
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| 14:18.18 | ratrace | or in other words, the snaps framework and snapd generate the AA profile based on snaps "interfaces" and intrenal policies |
| 14:18.47 | ratrace | the only bad thing about it is that they're not built to be modifiable, which sucks if you know AA and want to improve your local system. |
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| 14:19.55 | ratrace | so for "normal" operations, like intended functionality of a snap, AA should be enabled and left to work with snapd-generated policies. you alter the confinement with enabling or disabling snap interfaces |
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| 14:20.52 | henko | ratrace: aha i see |
| 14:21.06 | henko | but you aren't using snaps are you? just using AA |
| 14:22.25 | ratrace | right, AA is independent of snaps. |
| 14:22.42 | ratrace | I used to use snaps but I don't like the implementation and how it all works. |
| 14:22.42 | tarzeau | if anyone has a snaps that's missing a debs, i'm happy to create a debs |
| 14:23.02 | ratrace | tarzeau: start with chromium? :)) |
| 14:23.30 | tarzeau | https://packages.debian.org/sid/chromium |
| 14:23.32 | ratrace | I don't use chromium, but ..... the chromium snap is one very good example where snaps work better over .deb packaged alternatives |
| 14:23.59 | tarzeau | ratrace: all my systems are with `apt-get --purge remove snapd` |
| 14:25.01 | pasiz | i have no debian systems where snapd is installed |
| 14:25.12 | pasiz | so i don't see a point to remove it |
| 14:25.21 | ratrace | oh WOW chromium finally landed in sid, after months of being vulnerable and outdated? :) |
| 14:25.45 | ratrace | tarzeau: snapd is not installed by default on debian tho. are "all [your] systemd" ubuntus? :)) |
| 14:25.54 | ratrace | %s/systemd/systems/ |
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| 14:26.46 | tarzeau | ratrace: well they are not *mine*, those at work are ubuntus, i personally own a gnu/kfreebsd without systemd and sid.ethz.ch (sid+experimental) |
| 14:27.17 | ratrace | tarzeau: so chromium... you can help keep it up to date, and pls I think I'll need Slack :) |
| 14:27.41 | tarzeau | ratrace: of course it must be dfsg compliant |
| 14:27.51 | tarzeau | ratrace: for slack we use matrix :) |
| 14:27.51 | ratrace | tarzeau: and on that note, can ubuntu desktops even run without snaps? the gnome they package is snap (only I think?) and things like chromium is definitely snap only |
| 14:28.06 | tarzeau | ratrace: yes ubuntu desktops 18.04 and 20.04 run perfectly without snaps |
| 14:28.21 | ratrace | well, neat, then. |
| 14:28.29 | tarzeau | our users get what they deserve: no chromium, but netsurf and links2 |
| 14:28.47 | pasiz | links2 is so good in fb |
| 14:28.55 | pasiz | no need for xorg |
| 14:29.11 | tarzeau | pasiz: and finally supports custom fonts too! |
| 14:29.31 | ratrace | why even bother with http! go gopher! |
| 14:29.56 | dvs | heh |
| 14:31.33 | pasiz | there is so tiny amount of gopher sites remaining |
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| 14:35.21 | henko | there is a rc3 about gopher i want to watch |
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| 14:35.51 | henko | pasiz: pffff please... curl should be enough :D |
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| 14:37.25 | henko | what browsers are you using on debian if I might ask? |
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| 14:39.26 | ratrace | is a happy consumer of the burning fox |
| 14:39.30 | henko | totally now a evergreen question. sorry :D |
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| 14:40.58 | eestiman | Seems I disabled docker from writting to iptables, which explains why it wasn't writting to iptables. thanks for the help pasiz :) |
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| 14:48.42 | Boodie | Hi I am trying to mount a router connected USB drive using samba. So far if I put the router's IP in the file manager, I can see the router's name. If I double click on it, it asks me for the username domain (default = 'WORKGROUP') and password. tried the password given in the router, no success. What am I missing? |
| 14:49.35 | mrkramps | Boodie, set up a user for shares in your router |
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| 14:54.20 | Boodie | mrkramps: no luck, unfortunately |
| 14:56.06 | Boodie | it works with FTP, though |
| 15:04.47 | FightingFalcon | Shall i update from debian 9 to debian 10? |
| 15:05.46 | Ede|Popede | no what is this dubious "EFI-Wechseldatenträgerpfad" where the installer wants to install Grub? a lot of text, warning about buggy implementations, then suggesting this method, then warning about it could break other OSes. so what now? |
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| 15:09.13 | ratrace | FightingFalcon: sure, why not? |
| 15:09.27 | ratrace | Ede|Popede: eh? |
| 15:11.08 | Ede|Popede | ratrace: installer > "install grub bootloader to hd" |
| 15:11.30 | sig_9 | worst case install refind |
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| 15:12.57 | Ede|Popede | i still have this older buster install on one of the 2 HDDs, small EFI, Swap, Buster, then some more partitions, partially empty. one of them is 10.6 now. and now what to do with the boot options? because: |
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| 15:13.22 | sig_9 | https://www.rodsbooks.com/refind/ |
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| 15:14.07 | Ede|Popede | for the previous installation i even removed everything but this HDD, told the installer to use its mbr. well, it did not. have to boot from a stick now. now idea what it did, and since this is my first EFI PC ever, i still don't really get what's going on |
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| 15:14.54 | Ede|Popede | but would be nice to have this disk bootable w/o some other boot record from somewhere else, and then both systems available from grub. |
| 15:15.53 | Ede|Popede | only now i have to decide if the installer may enforce Grub installation on this whatever path or not. and the text on the screen doesn't really help me. |
| 15:16.01 | Boodie | Does anybody know of a cloud backup that is Linux (Debian, eventually) compatible? |
| 15:16.25 | sig_9 | dropbox,owncloud |
| 15:16.27 | sig_9 | lots |
| 15:16.40 | Kobaz | [Sun Dec 27 15:38:09 2020] Page cache invalidation failure on direct I/O. Possible data corruption due to collision with buffered I/O! |
| 15:16.40 | Kobaz | [Sun Dec 27 15:38:09 2020] File: /stuff/VirtualBox VMs/Win-10-Dev/Win10-64-disk1.vdi PID: 21645 Comm: kworker/6:2 |
| 15:16.49 | Kobaz | anyone know what might cause that? |
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| 15:17.33 | sig_9 | https://www.cloudlinux.com/ |
| 15:17.45 | ratrace | sig_9: ? |
| 15:18.00 | sig_9 | for Boodie |
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| 15:18.08 | sig_9 | asking about cloud services |
| 15:18.08 | ratrace | cloudlinux is a RHEL clone .... |
| 15:18.43 | ratrace | it's not a backup service . I think you con-fuzed some "cloud" things there :) |
| 15:18.48 | Ede|Popede | i can't even say now what the case is with EFI/UEFI or not. PC came (used) with a Win10 UEFI installation, i had to change things a few times in the bios until i was finally able to reboot... can't even remember this one. maybe livedebian, maybe the installer, maybe the installed system. all i remember it took me more than a single installation round to get a working debian on that disk. |
| 15:19.08 | cybercrypto | Boodie: In GNU/Linux, you can use lots of cloud services as a client. What are you looking for? |
| 15:19.15 | sig_9 | Boodie: https://itsfoss.com/cloud-services-linux/ |
| 15:20.15 | Ede|Popede | sig_9: did you notice the inconsistent usage of Loader and Manager on the refind page? confusing... |
| 15:20.21 | sig_9 | ratrace: no, he could provide his own cloud services with cloudlinux, debian or anything else he would like. shoot, gdrive even works decent in linux nowadays. |
| 15:20.39 | sig_9 | Ede|Popede: I've only used it once years ago for an old imac |
| 15:21.09 | ratrace | sig_9: CloudLinux is a RHEL clone. it's just called that. it's not any cloud service, or oriented to cloud services. it's a RHEL clone. bug-for-bug compatible RHEL. |
| 15:21.27 | sig_9 | it is a cloud based OS |
| 15:21.32 | Boodie | I mean, an online storage with incremental backup in real time? With BT I have access to a 2TB drive but it's a matter of manually copying & pasting directories ... their app works only with windows |
| 15:21.41 | ratrace | sig_9: no. it's a RHEL clone. also.... what is a "cloud based OS"? |
| 15:21.56 | sig_9 | for cloud servers |
| 15:21.57 | FightingFalcon | What happens when i update debian 9 to 10? |
| 15:22.05 | Boodie | So, you have to install a distro ... |
| 15:22.12 | james1138 | Question from Indiana. Anyone here use Bluetooth with Debian?? |
| 15:22.15 | Kobaz | FightingFalcon: the magic unicorns say thanks |
| 15:22.16 | ratrace | sig_9: so then Debian is a "cloud based OS"? |
| 15:22.22 | sig_9 | Boodie: if you want to run your own cloud server |
| 15:22.22 | FightingFalcon | huh |
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| 15:22.39 | ratrace | FightingFalcon: you get..... Debian Buster installed. |
| 15:22.41 | sig_9 | ratrace: could be, depending on how you set it up. :) |
| 15:22.43 | Boodie | ah, no, I want to backup my files |
| 15:22.46 | Kobaz | FightingFalcon: It's a really vague question. Every single package will get upgraded for sure |
| 15:22.55 | ratrace | sig_9: you're just confused about the "cloud" in CloudLinux name. |
| 15:23.07 | sig_9 | ratrace: what makes you think that? |
| 15:23.25 | FightingFalcon | Will my system break? |
| 15:23.26 | ratrace | sig_9: because I know what CL is .... been working with it for many years |
| 15:23.32 | Boodie | So ... cloudlinux is a OS to be used by the cloud provider? |
| 15:23.33 | sig_9 | we use debian for huge file servers here at work |
| 15:23.47 | ratrace | Boodie: no CloudLinux is just named like that, it's a RHEL clone |
| 15:23.56 | sig_9 | no shit |
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| 15:24.14 | sig_9 | ratrace: I think we all know this. |
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| 15:24.19 | ratrace | most popular "cloud provider" OS these days is Ubuntu, if you really want to go that way |
| 15:24.27 | ratrace | sig_9: sound like you don't, tho |
| 15:24.34 | sig_9 | ok |
| 15:25.21 | Deyaa | Does setup.bash have has specific syntax? |
| 15:26.31 | cybercrypto | Boodie: Lets clear things up: You have a Linux-Desktop and want to backup your files into a cloud-free-provider? If it is just your desktop files you want to backup 'easily and safely at the cloud' take a look into 'Deja Dup Backup' |
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| 15:28.02 | cybercrypto | Boodie: Deja dup allows you to use Google Drive built-in. (you can use other online storages with a bit more 'cli' setup/work |
| 15:28.21 | ratrace | just one thing to consider when backing data up "into cloud" ... is it encrypted, and do you mind if someone other than you can access it. |
| 15:28.23 | Ede|Popede | so a4 is mounted on /target, a1 on /target/boot/efi. seems fine, a4 is meant to hold the system, a1 is the EFI partition of the previous install. depending on what (YES or NO) i select on that screen, what will the installer do? |
| 15:29.00 | cybercrypto | ratrace: Yeap. Dejadup does that (encryption support) |
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| 15:29.38 | ratrace | neat. just a thing to keep in mind. |
| 15:29.44 | Boodie | cybercrypto: is DejaDup available for Debian? |
| 15:29.59 | ratrace | ,v deja-dup |
| 15:30.00 | judd | Package: deja-dup on amd64 -- jessie: 32.0-1; stretch: 34.3-1; buster: 38.3-1; bullseye: 42.6-1; sid: 42.6-1 |
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| 15:30.34 | cybercrypto | Boodie: Sure it is :-) Debian is by far the most supported GNU community. |
| 15:30.57 | FightingFalcon | Will my system break if i upgrade to debian 10? |
| 15:31.10 | ratrace | Debian is not a GNU community tho. Unless you meant "GNU/Linux distribution community" |
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| 15:31.28 | ratrace | FightingFalcon: depends if you have any non-standard packages installed |
| 15:31.29 | cybercrypto | ratrace: thanks. |
| 15:31.41 | FightingFalcon | how do i know that? |
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| 15:32.06 | ratrace | FightingFalcon: did you fiddle with /etc/apt/sources.list{.d} ? |
| 15:32.11 | FightingFalcon | yes |
| 15:32.12 | FightingFalcon | :D |
| 15:32.43 | H-var | is there anything more modern than comand line unison program? |
| 15:32.51 | ratrace | then you should check what you installed from these nonstandard repos and if that conflicts with any upgraded packages |
| 15:32.54 | ratrace | FightingFalcon: ^ |
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| 15:33.20 | FightingFalcon | where do i check?? |
| 15:33.39 | greycat | In your brain. |
| 15:33.44 | greycat | Do you not know what you DID to your OWN COMPUTER? |
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| 15:33.53 | DanteD | Anyone managed to share a folder with write access with virt-manager (debian host and guest ) ? I can delete files if my folder is owned by libvirt-qemu but I can't create new files |
| 15:34.17 | ratrace | FightingFalcon: well what greycat said, pretty much. you should find out what you installed from where and then investigate if those packages exist in buster, if dependencies exist, are met, would collide, etc.... |
| 15:36.57 | FightingFalcon | i better |
| 15:36.59 | FightingFalcon | dont do it RQWRQWRQWW |
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| 15:37.54 | ratrace | FightingFalcon: or! and here's a crazy idea! back up all your data, list of installed packages, /etc... hell, make a full OS copy, make a Buster ISO just in case, and try to upgrade. worst case, you install Buster from scratch. |
| 15:38.10 | FightingFalcon | i will try that |
| 15:38.50 | ratrace | on a less drammatic note, but also including having backups, you could uninstall packages from third party repos, upgrade, then see if you can install the third-part packages for buster, if you even need them |
| 15:39.00 | cybercrypto | FightingFalcon: Just check the release notes starting from your current version and onwards. Disable customized repositories and follow update/upgrade instructions. Backup first and you should be good. |
| 15:40.50 | DanteD | solved ^, settings passthough -> mapped and write works with folder owned by libvirt-qemu |
| 15:41.27 | FightingFalcon | thanks |
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| 15:41.43 | henko | well worst case when upgrading and doing a backup of course.. bunch of software could stop working, right? then just remove the parts which aren't needed and figure out how to install the old software on debian. that would be my way of doing this. Mind you I've never distro upgraded my debian yet. |
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| 15:42.06 | henko | or am I missing something? ^ |
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| 15:42.22 | FightingFalcon | dont know :d |
| 15:42.27 | FightingFalcon | i will install from scratch |
| 15:42.33 | henko | not using, flatpaks, snaps, customs installed sw with make. just official repos and own PPAs |
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| 15:58.43 | henko | FightingFalcon: worst case: you learn something new :) that's the spirit |
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| 15:59.00 | FightingFalcon | No no, not in this way |
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| 16:10.32 | FightingFalcon | 1183 ppl and how come noone speaks? |
| 16:12.10 | tarzeau | FightingFalcon: noone's having problems with debian... |
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| 16:15.06 | ratrace | most are bots anyway :) |
| 16:15.47 | FightingFalcon | how come server allows bot? |
| 16:15.49 | FightingFalcon | s |
| 16:16.15 | greycat | as long as they don't *speak* (either in public or private), they can't be distinguished from idle human sessions |
| 16:16.16 | ratrace | that was a joke. but anyway, the (irc) server doesn't differentiate. |
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| 16:16.39 | greycat | if a bot (or a human) starts acting badly (spamming, etc.) they will be banned or K-lined |
| 16:17.14 | FightingFalcon | So lets discuss something then: Do you believe that thinking computers are possible in the future? |
| 16:18.14 | cybercrypto | FightingFalcon: off-topic can be discussed in another #channel. Kindly ask this channel for Debian related matters. |
| 16:18.52 | cybercrypto | FightingFalcon: Like this: #debian-offtopic |
| 16:19.01 | FightingFalcon | ok |
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| 16:48.14 | Deyaa | Does setup.bash have has specific syntax? |
| 16:48.59 | n4dir | where is it to be found? |
| 16:49.24 | Deyaa | I want to install packages automatically |
| 16:49.56 | n4dir | that doesn't answer the question |
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| 16:51.00 | Deyaa | I asked about how to install packages automatically and some one told me to use setup.bash |
| 16:51.36 | ratrace | also the question is not really meaningful. if it's a script to be executed, it surely has a specific syntax |
| 16:52.22 | ratrace | Deyaa: define automatically. Are you looking for preseeding? |
| 16:52.40 | ratrace | https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed |
| 16:53.21 | Deyaa | Automatically like install certain packes and GitHub repo on a new Debian installation |
| 16:53.39 | Deyaa | Repos* |
| 16:53.41 | greycat | setup.bash is not a thing that we know anything about. It sounds like a script that's included with *ONE* specific package, so you'd have to name the package for us to have any chance of knowing what you're talking about. |
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| 16:54.14 | greycat | But... never mind, I auto-/ignore people for questions like this in #bash, so I'll just do it here as well. |
| 16:55.11 | n4dir | social distancing done right. |
| 16:55.13 | Deyaa | Any recommendations? I just want to install packages automatically on. My new Debian installation |
| 16:55.24 | ratrace | Deyaa: did you look at the wiki link I posted? |
| 16:56.31 | greycat | The primary, fundamental failure here is that these people think there is one consistent way to build and install software that will work with EVERY piece of software. This is beyond laughable. |
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| 17:00.03 | greycat | (although usually they think "./configure && make && sudo make install" is the magic recipe -- this "setup.bash" nonsense is a new one, which must be an artifact of the one particular piece of software they happened to start with) |
| 17:00.51 | ratrace | i think the question here is about preseeding debian installations ... if I'm understanding it correctly |
| 17:01.25 | ratrace | the only other way for "automatically installing software on a debian installation", aside from using custom scripts, is config automation ala ansible or salstack or chef |
| 17:01.30 | greycat | that would actually be sensible and on-topic, so no, I'm sure it's not about preseeding ;-) |
| 17:01.38 | ratrace | heh |
| 17:01.47 | n4dir | what i would do, knowing what i know and not knowing other things, i'd probably do one installation, create an installable snapshot of it and then install that. Then had to deal with differing hardware, of course. |
| 17:01.51 | Deyaa | 2:43 PM <rk4> Deyaa: `vi setup.bash` |
| 17:01.55 | Deyaa | 2:45 PM <rk4> one could always use puppet/chef/et al to setup your computer too if you are so inclined |
| 17:02.00 | Deyaa | 3:01 PM <rk4> bash script is the simplest imho |
| 17:02.35 | ratrace | oh I think they meant you write a custom bash (shell really) script populated with `apt install` and whatever else you need |
| 17:02.58 | greycat | There is no single answer because there are so many possible variants of the goal. If the goal is "I want to install these 5 things that have to be compiled, but I only want to do the work one time", you could either package them yourself, or compile them all into /opt and then rsync the master /opt to all the new nodes, or whatever. |
| 17:03.03 | greycat | Lots of possible answers. |
| 17:03.27 | n4dir | yup, the goal is not really clear. |
| 17:03.44 | greycat | because they started with the fallacious assumption that there is a single consistent way to build every piece of software |
| 17:03.47 | cybercrypto | Deyaa: :-) how to answer something which we dont know the question/objective? |
| 17:04.02 | greycat | so they think "oh, this'll be easy, I don't have to give any details or think" |
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| 17:04.37 | n4dir | i don't even know yet if he wants to install packages from the debian repos or outside. |
| 17:04.49 | greycat | I believe github was mentioned. |
| 17:04.59 | greycat | 11:53 Deyaa> Automatically like install certain packes and GitHub repo [...] |
| 17:05.01 | n4dir | it was. |
| 17:05.11 | Deyaa | cybercrypto: I'm simply asking about how to install packages on Debian without having to do it every time on new installation?? |
| 17:05.19 | greycat | Which means they're trying to write an auto-builder. Which is an automatic /ignore from me. |
| 17:05.29 | Deyaa | greycat: yeah so what |
| 17:05.38 | n4dir | Deyaa: which packages? |
| 17:05.46 | sig_9 | a good practice once you have the setup you want is to create a list of insalled packages: 'dpkg --get-selections > yourpackages.txt |
| 17:05.52 | Ede|Popede | Deyaa: *now* it sounds like preseed to me, which was linked before |
| 17:05.53 | sig_9 | use this a lot |
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| 17:06.14 | Deyaa | Debian packages and GitHub python packages n4dir |
| 17:06.16 | Ede|Popede | before this it seemed to be "install packages automatically w/o bothering the user" |
| 17:07.24 | n4dir | For debian packages you just need a list of the, say what sig_9 said |
| 17:07.47 | n4dir | or install once, then rsync the installation around |
| 17:07.51 | sig_9 | assuming most or all are from the deb repos: 'sudo apt install $(cat /home/user/yourpackages.txt | awk '{print $1}') |
| 17:07.53 | n4dir | or ... and so forth. many options |
| 17:08.44 | Deyaa | Ok |
| 17:08.51 | Deyaa | I get it now |
| 17:09.04 | Deyaa | What about pressed? |
| 17:09.04 | sig_9 | several ways to do the same thing I posted |
| 17:09.06 | ratrace | there's also dpkg --set-selections for that list from get-selections |
| 17:09.09 | n4dir | i guess the solution by sig_9 is the most straight forward one |
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| 17:10.28 | Deyaa | ratrace: this is cool |
| 17:10.37 | cybercrypto | Deyaa: So you have a 'list-of-packes' you want to install after every fresh debian installation? Check ratrace linked 'preseeding' in chat history. Read it and you may find out if that will work for your needs. |
| 17:10.49 | Deyaa | What do you guys prefer to use? |
| 17:10.50 | n4dir | but then you still have to do the configuring of certain applications. Which to me is more work then installing the few packages i use. Hence i rsync the config files to a stick. |
| 17:11.20 | cybercrypto | Deyaa: I prefer installgin packages myself. period. |
| 17:11.28 | n4dir | if i would do such all the time, i would use something like refractasnapshot (non-debian tool) |
| 17:11.53 | ratrace | Deyaa: I use ansible, as it also allows me to keep on configuring and maintaining multiple machines with a central policy. |
| 17:12.24 | Ede|Popede | hm. the installer wants me to reboot now, doesn't mention the screenshots in /var/log anymore. and there doesn't seem to be copies of the files on the installed system yet. |
| 17:12.56 | tyzef | hi guys, I get stuck here : https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Backlight#xbacklight, especially with the configuration of: /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-video.conf i dont know really how to file that one |
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| 17:13.26 | Deyaa | Thanks guys for your suggestions. I will read it carefully and choose the one that suits me. |
| 17:13.59 | sig_9 | ansible is a good tool and it is in the repos |
| 17:14.54 | converge | Im trying to install an app, but its complaining about a missing dependency, "libappindicator3-1" , there are two packages called (libappindicator3-0.1-cil and libappindicator3-0.1-cil-dev) , do Debian unstable has a "libappindicator3-1" package? |
| 17:16.06 | ratrace | converge: the pattern of package naming is that -dev are headers and other files required for building the main package, or any that links against it |
| 17:16.45 | ratrace | also building custom software for sid is kinda offtopic here. better ask in: |
| 17:16.48 | ratrace | !debian-next |
| 17:16.48 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also https://wiki.debian.org/IRC and https://wiki.debian.org/GettingHelpOnIrc |
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| 17:19.28 | unixbsd | is there a good alternative to gnome planner (planner)? |
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| 17:23.31 | Deyaa | sig_9: I will keep that in mind |
| 17:23.41 | Deyaa | Thanks |
| 17:26.40 | cybercrypto | unixbsd: not really... Unfortunatelly I only found planner alternatives using online services. Free online services are not good enougth and I use smartsheets. |
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| 17:40.10 | unixbsd | we dont want ads and all crappy web ;) no, gtk planner is still okay for small projects. |
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| 17:41.18 | cybercrypto | unixbsd: yeap. |
| 17:43.39 | netcrash | Hello , is there any package for libkqueue for debian buster? |
| 17:44.22 | unixbsd | (we love ads right ;? likely the linux kernel will have google ads soon or later, since google is major contributor) |
| 17:45.43 | Ede|Popede | the correct opacity may change it into "who cares" at least :) |
| 17:48.39 | Ede|Popede | what options does the `cp` on the installer have? just says [OPTIONS]. have to save /var/log to HDD, mostly for the screenshots. |
| 17:48.50 | Brigo_ | ,v libkqueue |
| 17:48.51 | judd | No package named 'libkqueue' was found in amd64. |
| 17:49.26 | Brigo_ | ,v libkqueue-dev |
| 17:49.27 | judd | Package: libkqueue-dev on amd64 -- jessie: 2.0.3-1.1; sid: 2.3.1-1 |
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| 17:52.47 | Brigo_ | netcrash, there is, but it has some problems: https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/libkqueue |
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| 18:08.28 | dob1 | ,v kdiff3 |
| 18:08.29 | judd | Package: kdiff3 on amd64 -- jessie: 0.9.98-1; stretch: 0.9.98-3+b1; buster: 1.7.90-3; bullseye: 1.8.4-1; sid: 1.8.4-1 |
| 18:08.46 | dob1 | can I install the one from bullseye? |
| 18:08.58 | dob1 | or the sid one |
| 18:09.01 | dob1 | just this package |
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| 18:16.01 | Brigo_ | dob1, i doubt that. |
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| 18:16.13 | Brigo_ | ,checkbackports kdiff3 |
| 18:16.31 | wsky | ,pinning |
| 18:16.55 | sney | the bullseye freeze is in 3 weeks. at this point if you need bullseye/sid versions of packages, it's pretty safe to just use bullseye. |
| 18:19.53 | netcrash | Brigo_: thank you |
| 18:20.48 | Brigo_ | netcrash, np |
| 18:22.59 | sponix2ipfw | sney: That mean we are going to get another Stable soon ? |
| 18:23.20 | sney | fsvo "soon", the last few freezes have lasted ~8 months |
| 18:23.50 | sponix2ipfw | Oh... I'm fine with that. Not in a rush honestly ;) |
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| 18:35.06 | converge | libappindicator3-1 insnt available for unstable, I really need this library, is there something I can do? |
| 18:35.52 | sney | download the source package and build it locally, but if it was removed from sid, there's probably a reason |
| 18:36.17 | greycat | tracker.debian.org might even know it |
| 18:37.04 | sney | #958504 haha, quality software |
| 18:37.05 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/958504 in libappindicator1 (open, patch, upstream): «libappindicator1:amd64: segfault for multiple apps like Discord»; severity: important; opened: 2020-04-23; last modified: 2020-10-30. |
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| 18:38.13 | Ede|Popede | is sddm's appearance a debian product? because it's a bit hard to read the blue timestamp in front of the blueish background. but all in all it's a nice view. |
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| 18:42.04 | converge | sounds like the bug was fixed, but the package isnt actively maintained |
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| 18:59.40 | unixbsd | what is a possible imaps/ client on linux? thunderbird, claws,mutt. what else maybe? |
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| 19:00.40 | alexrelis[m] | unixbsd: Thunderbird is the best! |
| 19:00.42 | dob1 | here is the bug https://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org/msg1660335.html |
| 19:01.00 | dob1 | it's bugger :( |
| 19:01.05 | dob1 | *bugged |
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| 19:01.22 | dob1 | 3 weeks until the upgrade?? |
| 19:02.22 | dob1 | no just freeze |
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| 19:04.53 | pasiz | unixbsd: pine? |
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| 19:05.10 | pasiz | is it still alive |
| 19:06.50 | dob1 | there is alpine |
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| 19:11.32 | unixbsd | cool, alpine and pine. what next ? thx |
| 19:14.29 | karlpinc | unixbsd: Install debtags and aptitude and do an: aptitude search '~Gimap' |
| 19:14.30 | karlpinc | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:22.52 | alexrelis[m] | Anyone know of a good meme maker for Debian? |
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| 19:24.22 | alexrelis[m] | Or at least good meme templates for Gimp. |
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| 19:48.14 | seanrobert | I want to slightly modify a Debian package's source. But then I still want to upgrade the package when new versions come out. Are there any best practices for doing this? |
| 19:49.34 | greycat | when you set the new package version, put +yourinitials or something similar at the end |
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| 19:50.49 | seanrobert | gotcha |
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| 19:51.46 | n4dir | seanrobert: look right at the top of that how-to, julian67 probably gave the explanation later in that thread, but i can't find it: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=38976 |
| 19:52.21 | seanrobert | OK thanks, I will take some time reviewing this |
| 19:52.40 | n4dir | it is old, as you see. Not sure how valid all of it still is. Just keep that in mind |
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| 20:05.34 | unixbsd | I tried to find an alternative to gtk planner. there is no single alternative with gantt chart. |
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| 20:18.33 | Ede|Popede | the utf8 handling on my new 10.6 in the terminal is a bit strange. had to 'edit /etc/default/console-setup # CHARMAP="UTF-8"' and then `setupcon` (from notes i made for the livesystem), now "süÃölgefäÃ" is written correctly, only when feeding it into `hd` the 'Ã' is replaced by a square and a dot. same for the capital versions. and moving the cursor around the 'echo' line before <enter> destroy |
| 20:18.33 | Ede|Popede | s the layout. font problem i guess? |
| 20:22.03 | Ede|Popede | /etc/default/console-setup is the same as here. and here it works. |
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| 20:27.14 | Ede|Popede | have there been changes from 9 to 10 around utf-8 handing in the text console? |
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| 20:31.49 | hramrach | hello, how do I debug launcher not launching? |
| 20:32.07 | hramrach | I click the application ison and nothing happens, no error is reported anywhere. |
| 20:32.27 | n4dir | can you start the application by other means? |
| 20:32.28 | zykotick9 | hramrach: does the program open from terminal? |
| 20:32.35 | hramrach | it does |
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| 20:34.37 | hramrach | The desktop file looks like this: http://sprunge.us/CukqDI |
| 20:35.03 | hramrach | whin I run vnc.sh from terminal it works but the launcher does nothing |
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| 20:35.41 | sney | probably environment differences. I take it vnc.sh is something you made? you will likely need to declare environment variables and use full paths inside it |
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| 20:40.41 | hramrach | sney: template of the file: http://sprunge.us/zIWFTU |
| 20:40.58 | hramrach | I see no environment in need of declaring |
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| 20:43.30 | sney | then maybe try the other thing I said :P |
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| 20:46.50 | hramrach | no difference with full paths, and both programs used (mktemp and x11vnc) are in /usr/bin which should be in path in sane environment anyway |
| 20:47.04 | sklav | hi guys is backports the only way to get a more recent kernel? or are there better methods without having to rebuild from src |
| 20:47.53 | greycat | backports is certainly the easiest |
| 20:48.12 | dvs | sklav: rebuild from src ;-P |
| 20:48.28 | sklav | im trying to avoid having to rebuilt |
| 20:48.45 | dvs | then backports it is! |
| 20:48.55 | sklav | backports works just was under the impression there was a binary for latest kernels |
| 20:49.11 | sney | there are 3rd party kernels around, they aren't supported here, but generally self-contained enough to behave |
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| 20:50.07 | sklav | i am good with the backports version to be honest just thought i read kernel.org had a debian package |
| 20:50.36 | dvs | sklav: you can make a debian package really easily from the kernel src. |
| 20:50.54 | sney | kernel.org has a debian package target in their makefile, maybe that's what you were thinking of |
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| 20:51.44 | sklav | @dvs, i will have to read up on it. |
| 20:52.09 | sklav | sney, it is very possible i misunderstood would not be the first time :D |
| 20:52.33 | dvs | sklav: make bindeb-pkg is all I use. |
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| 20:57.17 | hramrach | looks like terminal=true only runs the application if already in terminal rather than opening a terminal for it :/ |
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| 21:05.41 | n4dir | hramrach: did that already solve your problem? |
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| 21:10.31 | hramrach | I would like to see the program output in the terminal for debugging. However, using terminal=false allows the program to start |
| 21:11.24 | n4dir | i recall something like: xterm -e; and quite some terminal emulators seem to use -e for such. I can't tell you much more, been ages i needed such |
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| 21:24.09 | hramrach | yes, I could manually run the terminal. Stops working when I change to different terminal emulator |
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| 21:27.52 | n4dir | xterm -e is not run manually. |
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| 21:29.55 | nifker | how can I set a static ip using ip(without ifconfig) |
| 21:31.18 | wsky | ip addr set _interface_ addr |
| 21:31.36 | wsky | that should work |
| 21:32.30 | sklav | example: ip addr add 192.168.50.5 dev eth0 |
| 21:32.32 | karlpinc | nifker: Usually you do that in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 21:32.42 | sklav | then you need to remember to add the route etc... |
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| 21:32.55 | karlpinc | nifker: (man interfaces) At least if you want something permanent. |
| 21:33.00 | wsky | ah add not set |
| 21:33.13 | sklav | some examples https://www.tecmint.com/ip-command-examples/ |
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| 21:33.55 | sklav | interfaces would be way easier unless you are just doing temp like @wsky mentioned |
| 21:34.21 | sklav | oops i meant karlpinc |
| 21:34.35 | wsky | no biggie |
| 21:35.16 | hramrach | x-terminal-emulator -e works |
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| 21:35.55 | hramrach | and yes, it is added manually to the command rathre than using the Termminal=true to launch in the terminal automagically |
| 21:37.01 | hramrach | anyway, this is as good as it gets with the current software stack |
| 21:37.04 | hramrach | thanks for help |
| 21:38.09 | Ede|Popede | xfce's default panel Clock still has the disappearing bug in Buster. i'm surprised Debian didn't fix it, if on its own or by importing whatever upstream would have made in the meantime. |
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| 21:46.22 | n4dir | it disappears? Doesn't look like it here. But then: i never look at it |
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| 21:50.19 | beelzebuzz | whoever mentioned regolith desktop recently.. thanks. wasn't aware of it |
| 21:51.20 | Ede|Popede | n4dir: it's the one just named 'Clock'. the default after initial install. did some changes and when closing the dialog it just disappeared. as it did on stretch already. but after all it's still 4.12. |
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| 21:52.42 | n4dir | never change anything ! :-) |
| 21:53.55 | Ede|Popede | if it works! |
| 21:54.03 | Ede|Popede | but i want my seconds! |
| 21:54.21 | Ede|Popede | have to replace it anyway, this one can't handle 2 lines of text :) |
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| 21:58.38 | n4dir | i can't make it easily vanish here. But well, sure, that sounds like it would suck. Good luck. |
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| 22:08.56 | Ede|Popede | weird, happened on this stretch, every time on the live system (i just don't want to sit even a single hour on a clock not showing date and time including seconds) and now on buster. the moment i change the string WHOOSH it's gone. |
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| 22:50.17 | Exagone313 | Hi, I have systemd installed from buster-backports (because, some time ago, I needed systemd >= 242, but I no longer do). It seems that the latest upgrade is not compatible with latest linux-image-amd64, so it tries to remove it (I haven't yet found the exact dependency issue). I have two options, either find a way to downgrade systemd, but there is a new package named "systemd-timesyncd" that isn't in stable, so not easy to downgrade without uninstalling |
| 22:50.17 | Exagone313 | systemd (!), or upgrade linux-image-amd64 to buster-backports version (will probably work, but still needs to remove installed kernel version and I don't like it), but it may be a security issue in the future if a critical vulnerability appears that is not directly patched in buster-backports. https://ewd.xyz/16c878.txt What would you do? Thanks for your help. |
| 22:51.51 | sney | since you haven't installed the new bpo systemd yet, just 'apt-mark hold systemd' to keep it at 246.6 |
| 22:53.08 | Exagone313 | sney: yes, good idea if I want to do other upgrades |
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| 22:54.50 | Exagone313 | if I boot on another OS and mount the disk I could probably remove and reinstall systemd without issue |
| 22:56.29 | sney | it's likely that this dependency conflict was a mistake on the maintainer's part, and will be fixed soonish. your best bet without having to tangle with chroots or uninstalling the running kernel is to hold systemd for a few weeks, then unhold it and try the upgrade again |
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| 22:58.07 | Exagone313 | ok I think I could send an email to the maintainer then |
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| 22:58.34 | Exagone313 | they probably have more info on what required the dependency issue or if it's a mistake |
| 22:58.42 | sney | !bts |
| 22:58.42 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. See also <apt-listbugs>, <reportbug>. http://wiki.debian.org/HowtoUseBTS |
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| 22:59.41 | Exagone313 | sney: thanks |
| 22:59.49 | sney | I don't see anything about this particular bug on https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=systemd;dist=buster-backports so you should probably report it |
| 23:00.28 | Exagone313 | I need to reproduce the issue in a vm or something to report a bug, that's why I would prefer a private email first :P |
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| 23:15.45 | karlpinc | Exagone313: Nobody wants to have to keep track of what emails they have attended to and which need attention. That's why bug tracking systems exist. |
| 23:16.07 | Exagone313 | karlpinc: I don't report a bug that can't be reproduced |
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| 23:16.31 | karlpinc | Exagone313: If the maintainer can't reproduce it then they can't fix it. |
| 23:18.50 | Exagone313 | I understand your point, I guess it depends to the package. if 100 users send an email, better to open an issue. I can't know if that's the case |
| 23:19.24 | Exagone313 | I can still open an issue, then later add more information on how to reproduce |
| 23:19.35 | sney | spin up a vm to test/reproduce first, then file bug |
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| 23:24.54 | karlpinc | Exagone313: I'm not truly paying attention to your problem. But think of it this way. If you were the maintainer you probably don't want to know that somebody has a problem with a complex setup involving your package but can't tell you how to reproduce it or how to fix it. What actionable information can you supply the maintainer? |
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