| 00:00.07 | smurfke | Hello, sometimes a network mount (NFS) does not seem to mount after a reboot. It is a hit and miss. How can I debug / find logs of the failed mount (specified via /etc/fstab)? |
| 00:01.42 | quadrathoch2 | smurfke does your log files spit something out? |
| 00:02.09 | smurfke | where can I find the log file? |
| 00:02.44 | quadrathoch2 | smurfke /var/log/ |
| 00:02.55 | smurfke | thanks |
| 00:08.41 | smurfke | quadrathoch2: I remember someone telling me to you 'journal' or something like that |
| 00:08.54 | smurfke | a tool to read out logs I believe |
| 00:08.55 | quadrathoch2 | smurfke yup there is journalctl |
| 00:08.57 | smurfke | thanks |
| 00:10.24 | unixbsd | print server, 6-1 debian on raapberry pi rp3ib: ok, it works. I have now a raspberry pi print server, using the printer-driver-brlaser. It is a pure debian, if you need the files, cmdline, fstab, ... and so on to get your print server. please let me know. |
| 00:12.38 | abrotman | smurfke: there's an option to require networking before mount in the fstab I believe |
| 00:16.43 | smurfke | abrotman: I believe I am using that option: x-systemd.after=network-online.target |
| 00:17.18 | smurfke | maybe there is something wrong with vmware in combination with the latest debian. After upgrading debian I started having this issue. |
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| 00:19.49 | abrotman | smurfke: okay, just wnated to make sure |
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| 00:58.20 | smurfke | Is anyone familiar with this message (it's a system unit): debian systemd[1]: local-fs.target: Found ordering cycle on home-tom-storage.mount/start |
| 00:58.38 | smurfke | I have no clue where to start digging |
| 00:58.58 | smurfke | also no clue on what it actually means |
| 00:59.21 | alexrelis[m] | I have a Realtek WiFi/Bluetooth card and with firmware-realtek the WiFi works fine but for some reason the Bluetooth will not activate. Here's what `dmesg` gives me: `[154202.890014] bluetooth hci0: firmware: failed to load rtl_bt/rtl8822cu_config.bin (-2)[154202.890018]` |
| 00:59.22 | alexrelis[m] | `bluetooth hci0: Direct firmware load for rtl_bt/rtl8822cu_config.bin failed with error -2` |
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| 01:17.04 | ddsys | alexrelis[m]: you may not have rtl8822cu_config.bin |
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| 01:35.41 | alexrelis[m] | ddsys: how would I get that? |
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| 01:37.50 | ddsys | alexrelis[m]: https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/firmware/linux-firmware.git/tree/rtl_bt |
| 01:38.29 | smurfke | What is the recommended way to reboot debian? I always issued the command "reboot". Now I'm reading that in debian 10 it should be "systemctl reboot"? |
| 01:38.39 | ddsys | check first in /lib/firmware/rtl_bt to see if you have it |
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| 01:41.29 | alexrelis[m] | ddsys: thanks. Is there any reason why its not there? I don't remember deleting anything. |
| 01:42.18 | ddsys | also do you have rtl8822cu_fw.bin? you might need that to |
| 01:45.15 | ddsys | alexrelis[m]: then do a update-grub afterwards |
| 01:48.08 | nevivurn | smurfke: they do essentially the same thing. In fact on my debian10 system reboot is a symlink to systemctl, which behaves differently depending on how it was called. |
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| 02:06.06 | smurfke | okay thank you nevivurn |
| 02:07.10 | smurfke | Question: How do I determine if i am using NetworkManager or systemd-networkd? (In my /etc/fstab I see the following options when mounting a NFS share: ,x-systemd.automount,x-systemd.after=network-online.target) |
| 02:07.28 | smurfke | would that mean that I am using systemd-networkd for the nfs mount? |
| 02:09.51 | ndegruchy | smurfke, it means you're using systemd to automount it |
| 02:10.22 | smurfke | thank you |
| 02:10.48 | ndegruchy | if you've not set up either, you could just be using the interface scripts. |
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| 02:12.46 | shifty | what is the name of the utility that builds a .deb instead of using "make install" and cluttering your system? |
| 02:17.45 | rk4 | it's not stow, but stow manages make install'ed stuff well |
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| 02:18.40 | rander2 | hello |
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| 02:24.36 | shifty | found it: checkinstall. Allows you to fake the "make install" component and leaves you with a .deb that can be easily removed later. |
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| 02:29.40 | rander2 | what interface is eth0:avahi ? |
| 02:30.49 | ndegruchy | rander2, off the top of my head, it looks like a physical connection over the avahi/zeroconf protocol |
| 02:31.36 | rander2 | ndegruchy, that is ? |
| 02:32.24 | ndegruchy | ,package avahi |
| 02:33.01 | ndegruchy | https://packages.debian.org/stretch/avahi-daemon |
| 02:33.18 | ndegruchy | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avahi_(software) |
| 02:33.38 | rander2 | I read it is eth0, when it fails to get a IP. May I disable it ? |
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| 02:34.03 | ndegruchy | Yes? It's your system. Try it out. See if anything breaks. |
| 02:34.16 | rander2 | https://askubuntu.com/questions/3159/delete-eth0-avahi-from-the-ifconfig-list |
| 02:34.20 | ndegruchy | avahi isn't generally required |
| 02:34.31 | ndegruchy | it can be useful, but not required |
| 02:35.38 | rander2 | ndegruchy, this isn't a server |
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| 03:25.27 | mehwork | i know i can `ls` to get filenames, and `pwd` to get the current dir. But how can i combine the two, such that ls will show me the full path to the files listed? |
| 03:25.51 | mehwork | do i have to write a script to do it |
| 03:26.39 | mehwork | i'm kind of surprised this isn't a flag for ls, since it's really annoying to do it in 2 steps, a lot of copy and pasting |
| 03:26.57 | Poster | try "find ." |
| 03:27.01 | Poster | see if that gives you the desired outptu |
| 03:27.16 | dvs | Poster: I just tried that but that gets everything below that directory |
| 03:27.25 | mehwork | doesn't, that just says ./foo.txt |
| 03:27.33 | mehwork | there might be a flag for find though that does |
| 03:27.41 | Poster | ls -R will list recursively |
| 03:27.59 | Poster | but it doesn't show the full path per se |
| 03:28.05 | Poster | well, per line |
| 03:28.13 | mehwork | i don't need recusive, just the current dir's files absolute paths + name |
| 03:28.51 | Poster | oh ok so for the directory of interest "/foo", try "find /foo" |
| 03:29.04 | shifty | find /tmp -printf '%p\n' |
| 03:29.44 | shifty | find /tmp -maxdepth 1 -printf '%p\n' |
| 03:31.08 | shifty | d=`pwd` ; for f in * ; do echo "$d/$f" ; done |
| 03:31.09 | mehwork | shifty bingo! $ find $(pwd) -maxdepth 1 -printf '%p\n' |
| 03:31.23 | mehwork | thanks, just weird to me that that's not a default flag for ls |
| 03:31.41 | mehwork | i need it all the time when writing documentation and stuff |
| 03:31.52 | shifty | better (no need to call `pwd'): find ./ -maxdepth 1 -printf '%p\n' |
| 03:35.17 | mehwork | too bad -printf doesn't work on macos's find, so not portable |
| 03:35.24 | mehwork | not a huge deal |
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| 03:39.06 | mehwork | shifty: i need the $(pwd) because ./ shows ./foo.txt |
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| 03:41.19 | shifty | mehwork: huh, it does too. `find' is fantastic... after you iron all the kinks out of the particular incantation! |
| 03:41.48 | mehwork | doesn't for me, i just tried it |
| 03:41.54 | mehwork | in both zsh and bash on debian 10 |
| 03:42.10 | rk4 | mehwork: man i've wanted that often...feels like ls should have an 'absolute' path option |
| 03:42.17 | mehwork | i just found a better solution |
| 03:42.26 | rk4 | you can do it otherways, its just a bigger PITA than it should be |
| 03:42.38 | mehwork | there's an alternative to find called `fd` and it has a flag: fd -a |
| 03:42.50 | mehwork | as easy as typing ls too, just what i was hoping for |
| 03:43.29 | rk4 | wonder if gnu ls would be happy with a patch to add that, gnu utils seem happy adding user friendly extra functionality |
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| 03:44.36 | quadrathoch2 | i would also love that feature :) |
| 03:44.59 | rk4 | you could have your code running on a lot of the world, and achieve immortality! at least until it's rewritten in rust |
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| 03:45.11 | Widget | mehwork: ls -d `pwd`/* |
| 03:45.19 | mehwork | you guys can have it if you want. I don't have time any time soon |
| 03:45.28 | mrkramps | lol, this already made my day, rk4 |
| 03:45.50 | mehwork | Widget: that only shows me dir names but i'm in zsh |
| 03:46.17 | Widget | it should show you everything in the current directory |
| 03:46.25 | Widget | without recursion, with full path |
| 03:46.35 | mehwork | oh i see, because it's not showing hidden and i was in home, my bad |
| 03:46.59 | mehwork | easy enough to show hidden |
| 03:47.21 | mehwork | i'll stick to `fd -a` for now, i will be installign that everywhere anyway since it's easier than find for most cases |
| 03:47.30 | mehwork | thanks for the ideas |
| 03:48.44 | alexrelis[m] | ddsys: That did not fix the problem. And why was that .bin file not there to begin with? |
| 03:49.19 | mehwork | sudo apt install fd-find if anyone is interested in that one: https://github.com/sharkdp/fd |
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| 03:58.12 | mehwork | technically it'd recurse like that but could do the full thing i wanted with: fd -a -d 1 |
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| 04:00.24 | mehwork | i'll just alias that though |
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| 05:30.33 | mangix | anyone know what the deal is with buster-backports and systemd? |
| 05:30.58 | mangix | systemd in buster-backports requires resolvconf 1.83, but that is not available. |
| 05:39.31 | sponix | mangix: what on earth are you attempting to do that requires a backport higher version of systemd ? |
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| 05:41.00 | mangix | sponix: nothing. i just ran apt -t buster-backports upgrade |
| 05:41.20 | sponix | LOL |
| 05:41.32 | sponix | That is in my list of commands to NEVER DO ;) |
| 05:41.40 | mangix | :) |
| 05:41.48 | mangix | my system still runs fine |
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| 05:43.57 | sponix | have fun with that |
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| 05:50.20 | sklav | hi guys can someone explain to me how i can select an older kernel with the grub menu the way it is |
| 05:50.28 | sklav | the docs method does not work |
| 05:50.41 | sklav | GRUB_DEFAUL=1>2 for example |
| 05:50.51 | sklav | possible typo in the wiki? |
| 05:51.08 | sklav | https://wiki.debian.org/Grub2 |
| 05:51.30 | sklav | near the bottom Heading "Configuring / choosing non-default or older kernel to boot" |
| 05:55.35 | sklav | only way i got it to work is by removing the simplified menu and going back to old style where all kernels are listed |
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| 06:21.57 | sponix | sklav: are you editing /etc/default/grub ? |
| 06:22.05 | sklav | yes i am |
| 06:22.16 | sklav | and then doing a update-grub |
| 06:22.34 | sklav | no luck unless i disable the ne menu style |
| 06:23.06 | sklav | then default_grub works and allows me to select a non backports kernel |
| 06:23.16 | sponix | I have mine set to "saved" so whatever I choose one time via the menu, will then be the default it times out to on other boots |
| 06:23.30 | sklav | to be clear default_grub=1 selectecs the advanced menu |
| 06:23.51 | sklav | but i am unable to select a submenu item |
| 06:23.57 | sklav | as stated in the wiki |
| 06:24.03 | sponix | hmm |
| 06:24.33 | sklav | GRUB_DEFAULT=1>2 as it says does not work on buster for me anyways |
| 06:25.01 | sklav | all other options seem to work as far as i can tell |
| 06:25.13 | sponix | sklav: I wouldn't expect " > " to even be a valid character in that setting |
| 06:25.30 | sklav | according to the wiki it is |
| 06:25.39 | sklav | its an enter character |
| 06:25.40 | sponix | try just changing the "1" to a "2" and test that |
| 06:25.47 | sklav | i did |
| 06:26.14 | sklav | it selects the advanced menu item but them always select the first option which is the default kernel anyways |
| 06:26.25 | sponix | try not only running update grub but this command also: update-initramfs -u |
| 06:27.03 | sklav | what would that fix exactly? |
| 06:27.14 | sklav | not sure this is an initramfs issue |
| 06:27.30 | sklav | as if i manually select it, it works as expected |
| 06:27.42 | sponix | it does something required to update the boot process, and is required for some grub changes |
| 06:28.16 | sklav | i will try it |
| 06:28.22 | sponix | sklav: I like my method of setting it to "saved" value, so whatever I picked last is the new "default" |
| 06:28.32 | sponix | but understand not everyone has the same needs |
| 06:28.44 | sklav | my case headless server |
| 06:28.57 | sponix | makes sense |
| 06:29.02 | sklav | do not want to plug keyboard unless i need to |
| 06:29.04 | sponix | hard to choose without a head |
| 06:29.11 | sklav | hehe |
| 06:29.19 | sklav | hence why i tell it :D |
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| 06:30.02 | sklav | true that the redirect is not working |
| 06:30.20 | sklav | just noticed i had a bunch of =1 1 2 3 etc... |
| 06:30.42 | sklav | seems the redirect might need escaping |
| 06:31.26 | sponix | It is 00:30 here right now, at about 16:00 my time you might try to catch sney and greycat. They both tend to know there shit really well, and could likely help better |
| 06:31.57 | sklav | yeah i figured different timezone |
| 06:32.05 | sklav | 1:30 am here |
| 06:32.23 | sklav | was not expecting much but figured morning in Europe :) |
| 06:32.31 | sponix | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:32.58 | sklav | i agree just it is listed in the wiki and i figured ok i will try it |
| 06:33.21 | sponix | link me to that |
| 06:34.00 | sklav | https://wiki.debian.org/Grub2 |
| 06:34.06 | sklav | bottom of the page |
| 06:34.16 | sklav | Configuring / choosing non-default or older kernel to boot |
| 06:35.04 | sklav | fixed it |
| 06:35.13 | sklav | seems the wiki has a typo |
| 06:36.09 | sklav | should be like so the example GRUB_DEFAULT=1'>'2 |
| 06:36.17 | sponix | sklav: what made it work ? |
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| 06:36.34 | sklav | the single quote |
| 06:36.43 | sponix | sklav: funny I was going to recommend trying '1 > 2' instead |
| 06:37.02 | sklav | in the example on the wiki it says GRUB_DEFAULT=1>2 should be GRUB_DEFAULT=1'>'2 instead |
| 06:37.03 | sponix | sklav: the "quotes" probably got dropped because HTML does that |
| 06:37.30 | sklav | the quote is further up saying '>' |
| 06:37.31 | sponix | glad you got it figure out |
| 06:38.02 | sponix | figured even |
| 06:38.02 | sklav | just to update the wiki in case it helps someone else |
| 06:38.24 | sklav | btw all this cause im trying to see if an issue i have is kernel related |
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| 06:39.17 | sponix2ipfw | Which kernel and what issue? |
| 06:39.35 | sklav | using latest backports |
| 06:39.52 | sklav | and i just noticed i get some dropped on rx |
| 06:40.02 | sklav | all this since i configured a static ip |
| 06:40.16 | sklav | issue might be related to me reusing an older ip |
| 06:40.38 | sponix2ipfw | Dropped packets? |
| 06:40.53 | sklav | i had the same hardware running a different OS Version "testing" |
| 06:40.54 | f8e4 | hi how to change powerbutton press behavior on i3wm ? |
| 06:41.04 | f8e4 | is there some file to change |
| 06:41.06 | sklav | went back to stable and i noticed the DROP |
| 06:41.16 | sponix2ipfw | On your Interwebs? |
| 06:41.32 | sklav | storage server with samba |
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| 06:41.55 | sponix2ipfw | sklav: how much packet loss? |
| 06:42.56 | sklav | 30 |
| 06:43.07 | sklav | but it seems more related to broadcast traffic |
| 06:43.23 | sklav | wondering if this is avahi-daemon related |
| 06:43.26 | sponix2ipfw | 30%? |
| 06:43.34 | sklav | since i installed that so samba is network browsable |
| 06:43.39 | sklav | no |
| 06:44.08 | sklav | 30 dropped packets in RX Dropped |
| 06:44.17 | sklav | nothing really |
| 06:44.38 | sklav | and it seems to be doing it with both kernels just need to wait long enough to see |
| 06:44.56 | sklav | all the rebooting has scrambled the eggs at the moment :) |
| 06:45.03 | sponix2ipfw | Oh... That is what makes samba browsable .. I wonder what did that |
| 06:45.13 | sklav | f8e4, have you tried this as a recommendation |
| 06:45.14 | sklav | https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/I3#Shutdown.2C_reboot.2C_lock_screen |
| 06:45.54 | sklav | the fact i was running testing and re-installed with stable is all i can think |
| 06:46.12 | sklav | some arp table somewhere |
| 06:46.48 | sponix2ipfw | sklav: I honestly wouldn't even notice 30 packets lol |
| 06:48.18 | sklav | lol |
| 06:48.26 | sponix2ipfw | sklav: ever heard of the Liquorix kernel? |
| 06:48.39 | sklav | yeah |
| 06:48.45 | sklav | long time ago |
| 06:49.25 | sklav | maybe im thinking of something else |
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| 06:49.36 | sklav | i remember a distro for some reason |
| 06:49.54 | sponix2ipfw | My UP speed on torrent traffic was capping out at around 5MB/s |
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| 06:50.58 | sponix2ipfw | with this Desktop / Gaming focused kernel I can now do 15 to 20 |
| 06:51.27 | sklav | could you tweak sysctl? or is this really kernel specific? |
| 06:51.37 | sponix2ipfw | not sure how or why |
| 06:51.57 | sklav | usually you can do majority of the tweak using sysctl |
| 06:52.31 | sklav | since most kernel can have their options tweaked |
| 06:52.37 | sponix2ipfw | sklav: it is pure kernel related. I can boot back to vanilla and the speed cap is there again |
| 06:52.41 | sklav | especially when it comes to tcp/udp |
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| 06:53.10 | sklav | yes liquorix might have the values set higher then default debian |
| 06:53.20 | mrkramps | f8e4, read about logind and change settings in /etc/systemd/logind.conf |
| 06:53.21 | sponix2ipfw | I don't know if it is network or IO or what |
| 06:53.26 | sklav | usually sysctl allows you to tweak options |
| 06:53.44 | sponix2ipfw | Just know it works lol |
| 06:53.55 | sklav | examaple do the following sysctl -a |
| 06:54.20 | sklav | this shows all tweak-able parameters |
| 06:54.35 | sklav | usually the net.* are of interest |
| 06:54.54 | sklav | example i have heard redhat kernel has a good general balance |
| 06:55.06 | sklav | the options they have chosen anyways |
| 06:55.35 | sklav | also unless you save them in the systcl.conf you can clear your test with a reboot |
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| 06:55.50 | sklav | or putting the original values back |
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| 06:58.13 | sponix2ipfw | https://termbin.com/e42z |
| 07:00.13 | sponix2ipfw | https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/rFbSchjJ |
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| 07:02.18 | sponix2ipfw | sklav: if you get bored. Try it out on your server lol |
| 07:03.02 | sklav | hehe i might |
| 07:03.22 | sklav | at the moment though to late for me to do those kind of test |
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| 07:05.36 | sponix2ipfw | I'm still trying to get teenagers to bed |
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| 07:06.25 | sklav | yeah i had my argument about 1.5 hours ago |
| 07:06.43 | sklav | i threatened to cut of the internet from their devices |
| 07:07.02 | sklav | seems to work for now ;) |
| 07:07.51 | sklav | i have all their mac addresses so they have no idea what i would do they just know it looks complicated |
| 07:08.01 | sklav | :D |
| 07:09.05 | sklav | afk |
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| 07:13.37 | sponix2ipfw | sklav: my kids know if I cut them off they can 4G on their phones still |
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| 07:14.55 | sklav | so do mine but they also know that will last a few days :P |
| 07:15.18 | sklav | then the phone provider cuts them off unless they pay more |
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| 07:43.35 | sklav | Thanks for help sponix2ipfw im out for the night |
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| 11:28.26 | ratrace | can anyone confirm firefox-esr is opening a new tab to gigster dot com, on FIRST start of a NEW profile (~/.mozilla not existing at all, so it's that kind of first start)? |
| 11:28.34 | ratrace | this is MALWARE if so..... |
| 11:29.11 | n4dir | would that be the very first start too? If so i can install it now, which i planned anyway |
| 11:30.00 | ratrace | I have created a /home/firefox user that I plan to use with a separate, much stricter apparmor profile, for anonymous random site browsing, where I use my main user for browsing trusted sites where I have accounts. |
| 11:30.21 | ratrace | so yes, this is a fresh new, never before started in that user account, start. no ~/.mozilla at startup |
| 11:30.28 | GNU\colossus | ratrace, if that is true, I think you are overreacting. because the only alternative is https://coloss.us.to/chrome_truth.png ;) |
| 11:30.42 | ratrace | I know FF used to have sponsored LINKS on the default homepage ... but THIS.... opening a new tab to some random gigster dot com? |
| 11:31.01 | ratrace | I am absolutely NOT overreacting. I want a CHOICE to click or not. I'm fine with ADS, I'm fine with sponsored LINKS that I have a CHOICE to click. |
| 11:31.10 | ratrace | I am NOT FINE with it openig a tab to a rando site without asking. |
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| 11:31.32 | n4dir | not happening here on first start |
| 11:31.48 | ratrace | the ONLY alternative is to PATCH THAT OUT of the firefox-esr package, and go back to iceweasel. |
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| 11:32.44 | mrkramps | oO |
| 11:33.00 | ratrace | n4dir: huh.... then what is this.... geo specific behaviour? it's a frigin new profile, thus zero plugins or mods or whatever |
| 11:33.17 | mrkramps | stable or testing? |
| 11:33.23 | iflema | suite? |
| 11:33.32 | iflema | ^ |
| 11:33.34 | GNU\colossus | maybe they're targeting the (in)famous irc influencer ratrace specifically? |
| 11:33.46 | n4dir | yeah, well, i wouldn't know. I installed it and opened it, and it opens that usual tab and a second one, but from mozilla itself. Default behaviour, iirc |
| 11:34.07 | ratrace | the second one is mozilla's privacy blah blah, yes. but the first one is gigster dot com |
| 11:34.09 | n4dir | sorry, i would have loved to confirm it. |
| 11:34.16 | ratrace | I'm in EU ... you? |
| 11:34.19 | quadrathoch2 | ratrace just tried it with a new account. nope, but I am sitting here in germany |
| 11:34.24 | n4dir | ratrace: yes, Germany |
| 11:34.27 | ratrace | ... wth then |
| 11:34.34 | iflema | suite? |
| 11:34.39 | GNU\colossus | can you reproduce that behaviour at will, ratrace? |
| 11:34.44 | n4dir | i wouldn't know such internal questions. just a casual user. Good luck |
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| 11:35.51 | ratrace | GNU\colossus: yes, I delete ~/.mozilla and start it gain, and there it is alright |
| 11:36.45 | quadrathoch2 | i just assume, it's mozilla at its best, as they always try new stuff out in the usa |
| 11:38.24 | mrkramps | hm, also germany and cannot confirm on buster |
| 11:38.26 | ratrace | okay, I banned gigster dot com via local DNS resolver, removed ~/.mozilla, started, now it of course can't resolve the name, but it also doesn't open the second, mozilla's privacy blah blah page either. this is definitely something in the code |
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| 11:39.28 | n4dir | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:39.32 | n4dir | ? |
| 11:39.48 | ratrace | n4dir: yes, regular firefox-esr on buster |
| 11:40.20 | n4dir | yeah, i did upgrade to test if it got one over the night, but doesn't seem so. hmm. Well: good luck |
| 11:41.48 | ratrace | Imma get to the bottom of this |
| 11:42.07 | ratrace | I bet it's a redir from mozilla on first run, geocoded so y'all don't see it for some reason. |
| 11:43.00 | antto | Q: what do you use to open a serial port and just eyeball the incoming data? (i don't need to send anything) |
| 11:44.21 | rk4 | screen will wor |
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| 11:44.54 | rk4 | https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Working_with_the_serial_console#Screen |
| 11:46.13 | quadrathoch2 | btw talking about screen. is there a way to control a screen inside screen? |
| 11:46.30 | quadrathoch2 | both with default configs |
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| 11:48.53 | another | you can send the prefix with c-a a IIRC |
| 11:49.22 | quadrathoch2 | another thanks will try it out later |
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| 11:51.17 | antto | hm, actually, i should've first asked how to find out which device this thing is, i think it's a composite USB device that has some HID thing and also a "virtual serial port" |
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| 12:01.48 | ratrace | wiresharking that thing .... apparently it's contacting cloudflare first. I suspect CF dns over https. |
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| 12:02.02 | ratrace | cloudflare should be erased from the planet with nuclear fire. |
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| 12:20.32 | ratrace | okay, false alarm. found the issue. it's not firefox' doing, or mozilla, or cloudflare, or anyone, but PEBKAC. tl;dr due to the way I'm calling firefox in private mode from my main user into firefox specific user, using passwordless sudo and passing params for URL ... it interpreted --private-window "sudo" as URL and returned first site that matched via "feeling lucky" search. |
| 12:21.01 | ratrace | it's PEBKAC, false alarm, y'all can go back to bed now ...... but I blame FF for doing the random site feeling lucky search result when you give it a malformed URL. |
| 12:22.20 | mrkramps | life's har sometimes :D |
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| 12:23.32 | ratrace | security is hard. all this for security reasons. separate user, apparmor profile, isolation, sudoers, passwordless script to allow only firefox to be run and nothing else, plus a bug in param passing. :) |
| 12:24.03 | ratrace | but holy hell, internet being https mostly now makes debugging HARD. can't see a damn thing in wireshark except alotta encrypted stuff going up and down |
| 12:24.36 | jelly | here, have some mitmproxy |
| 12:25.37 | ratrace | why, thankyou. |
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| 12:26.48 | grady | hi, i have very odd problem with md raid array with fstab. if i try to add gid or uid settings to it, it dosnt allow me to mount the mount point |
| 12:27.07 | grady | ideas? |
| 12:27.33 | ratrace | grady: start with pastebin'ing your fstab line, please |
| 12:28.15 | grady | it dosnt allow nothing than that "defaults", if i remove it or add something to it with "," then error comes |
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| 12:30.05 | grady | "/mnt/storage xfs defaults" works but "/mnt/storage xfs defaults,uid=1000,gid=1001 dosnt |
| 12:33.15 | ratrace | grady: could be wrong but I don't think those are valid params for xfs. what error do you get exactly? |
| 12:33.22 | ratrace | those = uid,gid |
| 12:34.24 | grady | https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/GDhRKJ01/ |
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| 12:35.20 | ratrace | yeah I bet those are invalid options. I don't see them in xfs(7) manpage, and there's this, old, but explains it: https://technosopher.wordpress.com/2009/01/11/uid-and-gid-are-valid-mount-options-for-xfs-in-etcfstab/ |
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| 12:37.58 | grady | this is odd because with my old setup i have xfs on lvm and it takes those |
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| 12:41.20 | grady | any idea how i can fix this issue, sure i need to get access to my storage with normal local user and also on samba |
| 12:44.43 | ratrace | a filesystem that supports DAC security paradigms, multiple users, xattrs, ACLS, etc.... I doubt you can mount it forced under a single UID or GID. it's one thing to do that with FAT which has no concept of DAC, users, permissions.... so it's always one user everywhere. and quite another for xfs or ext4. |
| 12:45.57 | ratrace | meanwhile, you can always chown the mount point, or even use a shared user or group as the filesystem root owner |
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| 12:50.12 | grady | what you mean on that last part? shared user? |
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| 12:52.08 | ratrace | a specific UID or GID that all your systems would have ACLs to read and write to |
| 12:52.53 | ratrace | if you mount that on multiple machines, the simplest thing is to have tha owned by single UID eg 1000 which is default first human user on most distros |
| 12:53.38 | ratrace | the permission checks are actually against numeric IDs, not names. so on your computer it could be bob, on another alice, but both being UID=1000, if you mount a filesystem that's chown'ed to UID=1000, both will see it as their own |
| 12:54.00 | grady | where or how i do that :) |
| 12:54.20 | ratrace | which part, I mentioned several options |
| 12:55.47 | grady | chown dosnt work because every mounting /booting it revers it back to root |
| 12:56.14 | ratrace | you must chown _after_ mounting. chown the filesystem, not the local directory you mount _to_ |
| 12:57.06 | ratrace | but you have to understand what you're doing. you're chowing the root of a filesystem. with -R you'll chown everything on it. make sure that's what you want. |
| 12:57.39 | grady | im not chown the /, just /mnt/storage :) |
| 12:57.46 | ratrace | like I said, if you have a disk you migrate around between several machines, if all the users are the same UID, and they would be if they're first human user on most distros, that gets UID=1000, then they'll all have normal access to the filesystem |
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| 12:58.06 | ratrace | grady: yes. "root of the filesystem" is the top level directory of the fs you're mounting |
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| 12:58.18 | ratrace | "root" has really many facets and meanings in *NIX |
| 12:58.40 | grady | hmm |
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| 12:59.13 | ratrace | mount /dev/md/my_cute_array /mnt/somewhere ; chown bob:bob /mnt/somewhere will chown the "root of the filesystem" under /mnt/somewhere, without descending into dirs. you need -R to descent. AGAIN: make sure that's what you want. |
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| 13:03.04 | grady | idea is that any other user on the same local system, cannot get access to the /mnt/storage, no listing, no nothing. |
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| 13:03.46 | ratrace | grady: then you need to make the files and directories accessible to everyone? that's usually default, 644 for files, 755 for dirs. |
| 13:03.59 | ratrace | owners can modify, group and others only read (and descend into directories) |
| 13:04.15 | grady | so xfs support those at least :) |
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| 13:05.02 | ratrace | you can further limit this with shared groups, like I said. eg you have a group called "shared_files", then you chown all the files on "storage" to that group, and make all your users members of that group. might require a setgid flag on dirs so any file created by anyone automatically inherits the group. you'll also need g+w on them if you want all those users to write |
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| 13:06.13 | ratrace | and also you can use ACLs with setfacl(1) and friends to specifically allow specific users and groups, specific kind of access to specific files, regardless of main DAC properties. |
| 13:07.50 | ratrace | you can also have wide open 777 directory that allows read and write by anyone. with a sane umask that renders files 644, and dirs 755, you can have individual dirs for individual users, where they can write into, but everyone can read. the possibilities are multiple. |
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| 13:09.16 | grady | i just chmod 700 -R :) after i chowned it to desired user |
| 13:09.42 | grady | and it keeps those settings even on remounting |
| 13:10.37 | ratrace | and thats gonna make it accessible only to the owner. also, files shouldn't be 7 (+x) |
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| 13:13.25 | grady | ? |
| 13:13.33 | ratrace | ?! |
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| 13:13.53 | grady | why they shouldnt be? |
| 13:14.29 | grady | rwx is what i need |
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| 13:15.19 | ratrace | you need executability on ALL files on the storage? |
| 13:15.36 | grady | yep thats the point |
| 13:15.53 | ratrace | so they're all executables? |
| 13:16.05 | ratrace | (shell) scripts, C programs, pythons, ... ? |
| 13:16.46 | grady | no but it not make much a difference |
| 13:16.58 | phogg | why would you +x a file that you can't execute? |
| 13:17.13 | phogg | that's somewhere between pointless and dangerous |
| 13:17.14 | ratrace | grady: until one day it does and you accidentally :) |
| 13:17.46 | ratrace | Principle of Least Privilege, should be everyone's prime directive. but oh well... whatever floats your boat, right. |
| 13:18.18 | grady | why it matter? |
| 13:18.45 | ratrace | grady: because $PATH issues and executability don't need malware, viruses or haxx to break your system |
| 13:19.06 | ratrace | case in point: https://askubuntu.com/questions/938606/dwarf-fortress-starting-during-apt-get-upgrade |
| 13:19.19 | grady | well that storage arent on my $path :) |
| 13:19.34 | phogg | grady: Windows users suffer from "I double clicked the file to open it, but it was actually malware and it hurt me" but on Linux this doesn't happen because +x is required to execute and you don't +x your JPEGs, or whatever. |
| 13:19.36 | ratrace | until one day it becomes on your path, or something symlinks .... just .... don't +x stuff that needn't be +x. |
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| 13:19.43 | phogg | grady: unless you do, then you're not as safe |
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| 13:20.23 | grady | ok this is again that nonsense talking, like "blaablaa because of raid0" :D it really dosnt matter. |
| 13:20.35 | dvs | heh |
| 13:20.42 | ratrace | phogg: the most fun part was when GNOME got the vulnerability to start Windows Malware through the thumbnailer in file manager, if WINE was also persent. fun fun fun. |
| 13:21.11 | phogg | ratrace: the most fun part is the way .desktop files re-break this |
| 13:21.13 | ratrace | grady: whatever floats your boat, as long as you're aware of what you're doing, I'm fine with t hat. |
| 13:21.44 | ratrace | phogg: that too |
| 13:21.47 | phogg | grady: you are doing something unwise. You have been warned. On your head be it. |
| 13:22.19 | grady | omg |
| 13:24.34 | grady | i literally got this odd thing with on fstab on xfs, something what i never got before. i got solution to it, thank you for waking my brains again and i figured out how i can manually fix the issue. but for this +x is bad :D is this new raid0 thing? :D |
| 13:25.25 | grady | i have been on linux over 20 years btw :D |
| 13:25.45 | phogg | appeal to authority? |
| 13:25.57 | ratrace | grady: I doubt that, judging from your questions so far. |
| 13:26.41 | ratrace | unless you spent 20 years learning nothing about the permission model (you did come here asking about it and asking "how to do that" when I mentioned chowning), in which case those 20 years have no value of mention. |
| 13:26.59 | ratrace | coulda been 20 minutes linux user, same thing. |
| 13:27.15 | grady | everyone has these "low" moments time to time :) |
| 13:27.21 | jelly | chown -R won't go saying "W: you're probably doing something dumb" |
| 13:27.25 | ratrace | also, you came here asking for FREE, unpaid, volunteer help. you got it and you got sane advice and warnings. if you don't respect that, if you're gonna omg and roll your eyes and call it "nonsense".... well then. :) |
| 13:27.41 | grady | haha |
| 13:27.45 | ratrace | tells a lot about who you really are ;) |
| 13:28.00 | pizzaiolo | ratrace did that wine exploit have a name? i want to read up on it |
| 13:28.06 | ratrace | pizzaiolo: yes, lemme look it up |
| 13:28.30 | phogg | I can't think of a reason why .desktop files aren |
| 13:28.40 | phogg | aren't +x with a #! line |
| 13:28.58 | ratrace | pizzaiolo: BadTaste aka CVE-2017-11421 |
| 13:28.58 | phogg | I know the reason they're not, and sadly it's "we didn't think this through" all over again |
| 13:29.04 | ratrace | #CVE-2017-11421 |
| 13:29.20 | pizzaiolo | ty! |
| 13:29.22 | ratrace | ,cve CVE-2017-11421 |
| 13:29.28 | ratrace | omg! |
| 13:29.35 | jelly | phogg, freedesktop.org has lots of, shall we say, suboptimal design issues |
| 13:29.43 | ratrace | !cve lookup CVE-2017-11421 |
| 13:29.44 | dpkg | Information about the security advisory CVE-2017-11421 may be found at https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2017-11421 |
| 13:30.00 | phogg | jelly: and yet somehow we are obliged to follow along with these "standards" because... I'll get back to you on that. |
| 13:30.08 | grady | it is funny when they manage to re-engineering something so good that it can run the real thing bugs on it =) |
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| 13:35.02 | grady | samba carried that ransomware to the linux servers via smb1 and 2 :) |
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| 14:11.02 | jak2000 | hi all |
| 14:11.29 | jak2000 | how to change date ? sudo date +%Y%m%d -s "20210101" <--this not work |
| 14:13.03 | jak2000 | https://paste.debian.net/1179028/ |
| 14:14.51 | mrkramps | jak2000, timedatectl |
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| 14:17.15 | jak2000 | mrkramps thanks see: please: https://paste.debian.net/1179030/ |
| 14:19.19 | nkuttler | !set time |
| 14:19.19 | dpkg | To set the time on Debian systems, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install <ntp> to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. Also verify the system's UTC setting and set the correct time zone; ask me about <utc>, <timezone>. see systemd-timesyncd instead of installing ntp https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Systemd-timesyncd |
| 14:20.34 | cluelessperson | Hi there. I've found an area with debian I believe I can assist with some tooling to make mirroring apt repos easier. |
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| 14:20.40 | cluelessperson | but I'm not sure how to help out. |
| 14:20.49 | jak2000 | nkuttler i dont want change timezone, only change the date,, need simulate we are on 2021 01 01 for check some things.. |
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| 14:21.55 | dvs | Y2K! |
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| 14:23.18 | jak2000 | done |
| 14:23.19 | jak2000 | sudo date 010111112021 |
| 14:23.44 | AimHere | The Y2k21 problem! |
| 14:24.08 | dvs | No, the Y2K21 SOLUTION! |
| 14:24.14 | AimHere | Only 17 more years until 32-bit armageddon |
| 14:24.15 | dvs | Y2K20 is the problem! |
| 14:25.19 | dvs | AimHere: the kernel has already solved that. |
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| 14:32.01 | Ede|Popede | i think i've seen STARTTIME in top on buster, could it be the field is new in that version? |
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| 14:43.01 | cjoke | Im about to intall debian on my laptop. if I got this correct , it is the same kernel in unstable as in testing? Im going to use qtile wm, and have some gitrepos I need for some audiowork. stripped down question is what would I gain using unstable vs testing ? |
| 14:48.22 | cjoke | im so tired of ubuntu and snap dont suit me :o) my thought where a minimal installation on laptop, where I only intstall the gtk libraries needed for audioproduction. I think it was 15 years since I installed through netinstall and base only and from there gather what I need. I try to avoid bloated things that sucks up energy. |
| 14:48.37 | Poster | in general you will be using newer revisions of software, this can mean new features in the software, but the drawback is that it may also contain bugs or other undesirable behavior |
| 14:50.14 | Poster | the netinstall is a great way to start to keep things minimal, that is the only way I install myself |
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| 14:56.42 | nkuttler | ,kernels |
| 14:56.43 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 5.10.0-trunk-686 (5.10.2-1~exp1); sid: 5.9.0-5-686 (5.9.15-1); bullseye: 5.9.0-5-686 (5.9.15-1); buster-backports: 5.9.0-0.bpo.2-686 (5.9.6-1~bpo10+1); buster: 4.19.0-13-686-pae (4.19.160-2); stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.9-686-pae (4.19.118-2+deb10u1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.19.0-0.bpo.13-686 (4.19.160-2~deb9u1); jessie-backports: |
| 14:56.44 | judd | 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.12-686 (4.9.210-1+deb9u1~deb8u1) |
| 14:57.04 | nkuttler | cjoke: ^^ looks like currently they are the same |
| 14:57.34 | nkuttler | !debian-next |
| 14:57.35 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also https://wiki.debian.org/IRC and https://wiki.debian.org/GettingHelpOnIrc |
| 14:58.02 | nkuttler | cjoke: also, support for testing/sid is not here :) that being said, personally, i think testing is much worse than sid because when it breaks it can stay broken for a long time |
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| 15:03.18 | Poster | I generally will use virtualization to keep things tidy, if I need say a lot of development packages to build or test something, I will spin up a VM to do so, when the testing is done the VM can be turned off or deleted without adding any more "bloat" to the base OS |
| 15:04.53 | cjoke | nkuttler: interessting point there(testing/sid). I above average user so I guess sid would work just fine for me then. kernel on stable is to old for my audiocard, support for my card came with kernel5.4 I would have to compile kernel anyways. |
| 15:06.37 | towo` | no, you haven't to compile a kernel, since you can have 5.9 over backports in stable |
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| 15:13.15 | smurfke | Is it normal for debian to report: "ifconfig not found" |
| 15:13.23 | smurfke | Is it normal for debian to report: "ifconfig command not found"* |
| 15:13.32 | cjoke | towo`: yes, I should have that in mind aswell. |
| 15:14.21 | cjoke | smurfke: not normal to me. |
| 15:16.09 | rk4 | do you have /sbin/ip at least |
| 15:16.25 | cjoke | smurfke: try which ifconfig && echo $PATH |
| 15:17.25 | cjoke | smurfke: which ifconfig should show a path to ifconfig and that path should also be in the echo $PATH |
| 15:18.18 | rk4 | ifconfig comes from the apparently optional net-tools package |
| 15:18.19 | Poster | if installed, it's likely /sbin/ifconfig, though ifconfig itself has been deprecated in favor of "ip". It is still available by installing the "net-tools" pacakge |
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| 15:20.26 | netcrash | Hello, in debian how do I remove the desktop env (gnome) installed by accident on a machine. |
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| 15:33.14 | Ede|Popede | netcrash: with a big "BUT!": depending if you want to keep configs or not, apt-get remove gnome OR apt-get purge gnome. and now the BUT: |
| 15:34.25 | Ede|Popede | package "gnome" is <Section: metapackages> - so it will take a lot with it. depending if you want this or not you may want to install some smaller packages it depends on before removing it. |
| 15:37.35 | Ede|Popede | heh, removing orage or xfce here wouldn't make a lot of difference. a screenfull of packages would disappeared with each of them |
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| 16:01.14 | torbjorn | wc |
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| 16:08.10 | converge | I used snap running PopOS, and I had some performance issues. will I experience the same running Snap on Debian? |
| 16:08.37 | converge | *I tried |
| 16:09.17 | greycat | There isn't *nearly* enough information in that question to be able to answer it. |
| 16:11.26 | converge | let me re-phase it, I need to install an app that needs libindicator3-1, that inst available on unstable, then I thought using Snap would solve my issue. but Im afraid it will break something, or create other issues |
| 16:11.44 | converge | question is, should I try to build libindicator3-1 instead of using Snap? |
| 16:13.19 | greycat | ,v libindicator3-1 |
| 16:13.20 | judd | No package named 'libindicator3-1' was found in amd64. |
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| 16:14.11 | greycat | When you say "install an app", you mean a black box precompiled binary from some disreputable third-party commercial vendor? |
| 16:14.21 | Ede|Popede | converge: do you have enough ram to install half a dozen packages on a live system? snapd seems less invasive than i thought. |
| 16:14.50 | greycat | I have no freaking clue what a "libindicator" is, but I did an apt-cache search libindicator locally, and there is a libindicator3-7 available. So I'm guessing libindicator3-1 is really *old*. Which leads to my guess that you're installing a binary. |
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| 16:16.11 | greycat | ,v libindicator3-7 |
| 16:16.12 | judd | Package: libindicator3-7 on amd64 -- jessie: 0.5.0-2; stretch: 0.5.0-3+b1; buster: 0.5.0-4; sid: 0.5.0-4 |
| 16:16.21 | converge | greycat, yes , app->https://insomnia.rest/download/#linux |
| 16:16.22 | greycat | I... do not understand the numbering here. At all. |
| 16:17.15 | greycat | Did you try archive? |
| 16:17.45 | greycat | err, snapshot rather. |
| 16:17.47 | greycat | !snapshot |
| 16:17.47 | dpkg | http://snapshot.debian.org/ is an archive of almost all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way non-free. This service replaces snapshot.debian.net. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100412 |
| 16:19.51 | greycat | OK, let's see... according to packages.d.o the source package for libindicator3-7 is called simpmly "libindicator". According to snapshot.d.o the versions of libindicator (source pkg) go from 0.3.8-1 to 0.5.0-4. |
| 16:20.05 | greycat | The binary packages from 0.3.8-1 include "libindicator0" so that's too old. |
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| 16:20.37 | greycat | The binary packages from 0.4.1-1 include libindicator3-6 .... |
| 16:21.12 | shtrb | Are passwords and usernames in /etc/ppp/chap/pap-secrets should be encloused with quotes ? |
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| 16:21.21 | greycat | but the version right before that is 0.3.22-1 which has a binary pkg named libindicator3 |
| 16:21.32 | converge | Ede|Popede, what do you mean..? I didnt get it |
| 16:21.35 | greycat | I see NOTHING that indicates there was EVER a package named libindicator3-1 in Debian. |
| 16:22.01 | greycat | Are you sure you're looking at the binary package dependencies for a DEBIAN package, not, say, an Ubuntu package? |
| 16:22.05 | converge | thats strange, Insmonia(the app) has a ubuntu/debian package available |
| 16:22.15 | greycat | So it's for Ubuntu then. |
| 16:22.15 | Ede|Popede | converge: live system, install snapd with deps, get your programm into it, see how it works :) |
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| 16:24.08 | converge | Im really afraid to messy my system with snapd, but sounds like there is no other way |
| 16:24.34 | rby813 | I just bought a laptop with a Ryzen 7 Pro 4750U, and I'm concerned about how to get Debian running X on it. From my experience with Buster on a 3200G, I would need to use backports to get a newer kernel and update the AMD drivers. If I was to instead install Bullseye, would it work out of the box? Does anyone know what kernel version Bullseye is using right now, and what version of amdgpu is currently in the ports? |
| 16:25.26 | greycat | converge: that's why Ede|Popede suggested testing it from a live instead of a real system, but even if you tested on a real system, if the worst happens, you just delete everything you installed for the test. |
| 16:25.49 | karlpinc | ,kernels |
| 16:25.50 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 5.10.0-trunk-686 (5.10.2-1~exp1); sid: 5.9.0-5-686 (5.9.15-1); bullseye: 5.9.0-5-686 (5.9.15-1); buster-backports: 5.9.0-0.bpo.2-686 (5.9.6-1~bpo10+1); buster: 4.19.0-13-686-pae (4.19.160-2); stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.9-686-pae (4.19.118-2+deb10u1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.19.0-0.bpo.13-686 (4.19.160-2~deb9u1); jessie-backports: |
| 16:25.51 | judd | 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.12-686 (4.9.210-1+deb9u1~deb8u1) |
| 16:26.38 | karlpinc | rby813: You could try a kernel from backports |
| 16:26.46 | Ede|Popede | alternatives depending on the machine: VM of some kind, extra mini partition with a test system. plain dd for backup to reset it to a working state. |
| 16:26.48 | greycat | The URL you gave me for "insomnia" doesn't work very well, but it links to https://insomnia.rest/download/designer/? which shows icons/links for macOS, Windows 7+, and Ubuntu 14.04+ |
| 16:26.57 | greycat | Note that Windows 7 and Ubuntu 14 are both rather old. |
| 16:27.09 | greycat | I have no idea how old macOS 10.12+ is |
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| 16:28.09 | cjoke | experimental = make a deb from git(Master/currentversion), make it work and upload it to repos? |
| 16:28.26 | cjoke | in short terms :-> |
| 16:28.53 | greycat | experimental is where a debian developer puts a package that they don't believe is ready or appropriate for unstable users to test en masse; it might have known issues, or it might be a build intended only for a select audience to test |
| 16:29.22 | cjoke | greycat: ok, thanks. =) |
| 16:29.54 | rby813 | greycat: Sierra (10.12) is 4 major updates behind current MacOS |
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| 16:31.58 | greycat | if it's about 6 years old, that would match Ubuntu 14 |
| 16:32.13 | rby813 | karlpinc: Wouldn't it be easier to just install bullseye? The packages are freezing in less than a month so I figured it was pretty close to stable at this point |
| 16:32.43 | rby813 | greycat: initial release date was 9/20/16, so pretty close |
| 16:32.43 | greycat | Right before a freeze is the MOST unstable point. It's when everyone throws their half-baked crap in to get it in before the freeze. |
| 16:33.50 | rby813 | greycat: I suppose that makes sense. Is there any hand-holdy guide to updating kernel and amdgpu drivers from backports? I'm still not super familiar with drivers on the Linux kernel |
| 16:34.07 | greycat | Or... the second most unstable. The most unstable would be right after a release, when everyone throws in the crap they'd been holding back during the freeze. |
| 16:35.07 | greycat | rby813: installing a buster-backports kernel is usually pretty safe. I don't know whether you'd need a new X or whatever to go with it. |
| 16:36.16 | greycat | rby813: can you show the "lspci -nn" output for your video card? Someone else might know what's required to make it go. |
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| 16:38.55 | rby813 | greycat: Laptop came with Windows, so I'm on that right now because I'm hesitant to reformat the computer without being ready to deal with the drivers. Let me see if I can find what the lspci would print |
| 16:40.14 | greycat | It's common to leave Windows in place, just shrinking its partition(s), and dual-boot between that and your Linux/BSD of choice. |
| 16:40.29 | greycat | You could also try a live thing. |
| 16:40.59 | greycat | I'd say "live CD" because that's how they were originally branded, but people tell me CDs are old-fashioned now. |
| 16:41.35 | rby813 | https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/drm/amd/uploads/a465b0a4d74037a554ffe11cbc3fa55f/lspci.txt is lspci -nnk of almost exactly the same laptop I have. I think the only difference is the amount of RAM and the SSD size |
| 16:41.59 | shtrb | CD are not dead , anyone can get his hands on a usb dvd-rom / cd-rom and put a CD inside and boot from it |
| 16:42.05 | shtrb | greycat, ^ |
| 16:42.26 | greycat | 06:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Renoir [1002:1636] (rev d1) |
| 16:45.44 | greycat | hmm, kernel.org shows 5.9 as stable [EOL], 5.10 as stable, but no longterm newer than 5.4 yet... wonder what kernel bullseye is going to land on |
| 16:46.12 | another | 5.10 is LTs |
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| 17:03.20 | jelly | or rather it's going to become longterm when 5.11 is out? |
| 17:03.56 | greycat | how does one know that? presumably by digging deeper than the front page of kernel.org I suppose. |
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| 17:08.59 | tomreyn | rby813: https://linux-hardware.org/index.php?id=pci:1002-1636-103c-87a9 |
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| 17:16.03 | Gerowen | If I wanted to resize an encrypted partition, how would I do so; luksopen it and then use regular tools like cfdisk to resize the ext4 partition that's inside it? |
| 17:18.40 | jelly | greycat, for us that don't have time to read lkml, announcements for longterm are usually mentioned on LWN |
| 17:19.31 | jelly | Gerowen, if you grow the size, you always go from the bottom layer upwards |
| 17:20.53 | jelly | Gerowen, what does the layering look like on your system? pastebin the output of lsblk |
| 17:23.20 | Gerowen | jelly: https://paste.debian.net/1179044/ |
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| 17:24.52 | Gerowen | The partition is part of a RAID volume that's currently re-shaping, so I can't do anything right now, but when it finishes I'm gonna have about double the capacity that I had when I first created the RAID and will need to grow the partition to take advantage of it. |
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| 17:26.00 | Gerowen | The reason for sdb1 instead of sdb is I created partitions about 1GB less than the total capacity of the drives, that way in the future if I have to replace or upgrade a drive, and the capacity isn't exactly the same, it gives me some wiggle room. |
| 17:27.16 | jelly | you could have avoided partitions _completely_ and put md0 directly on whole disks |
| 17:27.45 | jelly | mdadm can be told not to use whole size |
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| 17:28.54 | jelly | but that's irrelevant. You'd resize all the members first, then the md array, then just close and reoopen luks (a reboot would do that), then resize2fs |
| 17:29.36 | jelly | if I remember correctly, luks does not keep track of how large the usable space is, at all |
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| 17:30.30 | jelly | it will show junk data past the end of your filesystem in the newly added space after reopening, but that does not hurt |
| 17:31.21 | Gerowen | jelly: If I have to, I've got a backup I can restore from and re-make the group, it's currently converting from a two disk RAID 1 to RAID 5 with a third disk, hence the reshape, but if possible, I'm gonna try to resize the existing partition to take advantage of the new capacity. |
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| 17:32.08 | Gerowen | And honestly, with RAID 5, the encryption isn't strictly necessary since, from what I understand, you can't get anything useful from a single disk of a RAID 5 group. The encryption was for if I RMA'd a drive from the RAID 1 group where each drive has everything. |
| 17:32.57 | jelly | you get slices of actual data. The slices can be large enough to compromise yourself or your customers |
| 17:33.08 | jelly | it's still necessary. |
| 17:33.30 | Gerowen | Ah, good to know. |
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| 18:02.41 | alexrelis[m] | I closed the lid to put my laptop in sleep mode and when I wake up to open the lid I'm greeted with a black screen. I'm using KDE Plasma What gives? |
| 18:03.43 | zutat | intel graphics? |
| 18:04.04 | alexrelis[m] | zutat: AMD integrated graphics |
| 18:04.29 | zutat | alexrelis[m]: maybe there's some hope left, then. |
| 18:04.56 | alexrelis[m] | I had a similar problem yesterday when I woke the laptop up from sleep and the login bar wouldn't show up no matter what I do. |
| 18:05.53 | alexrelis[m] | How do I make it so that I never have the problem again? |
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| 18:09.49 | kurufu | where can i find historical discussion on why PATH does not include /sbin. It doesnt seem to in bash's changelog but im not sure what package would generally own the users path. |
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| 18:11.41 | greycat | It's got nothing to do with bash per se. It's the traditional behavior of login(1) and the /etc/profile as installed by the system administrator and/or Unix vendor. |
| 18:12.00 | greycat | Unless you're talking about su, which is a whole different issue. |
| 18:12.01 | greycat | !buster su |
| 18:12.01 | dpkg | In buster, su no longer overrides PATH by default, requiring that you use "su -" or "su -l" for login shells (which is not really a new thing at all...). See https://wiki.debian.org/NewInBuster#Changes for details. |
| 18:12.36 | kurufu | im not really interested in any particular maintainers opinions on paths and FHS, im just interested in when the decision was made. |
| 18:12.55 | kurufu | consider it an archeological expedition |
| 18:12.55 | greycat | Uh... some time around 1985? |
| 18:13.11 | kurufu | it seems more like issues cropped up around 2000. |
| 18:13.19 | greycat | WHAT issue are you talking about? |
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| 18:13.22 | kurufu | though its hard to say without knowing where path even traditionally gets set. |
| 18:13.33 | greycat | I told you already -- login(1) and /etc/profile |
| 18:13.54 | kurufu | got it, sorry i missed that. |
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| 18:14.51 | greycat | Are you talking about "I used su and then things still didn't work because my PATH wasn't right"? That issue would definitely have hit other Linuxes long before it hit Debian. |
| 18:14.58 | kurufu | No im not talking about su |
| 18:15.39 | kurufu | and unfortunately it comes up much more often in google searches than ancient mail list archives about people bickering about FHS. |
| 18:15.59 | greycat | what issue? |
| 18:16.09 | kurufu | about people having issues with paths in su |
| 18:16.34 | greycat | because Red Hat was an early adopter of the version of su currently used by Debian 10 |
| 18:16.39 | greycat | the one that fails to change PATH |
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| 18:23.42 | alexrelis[m] | kurufu: As long as you use su - you should be good right? |
| 18:23.49 | alexrelis[m] | I personally have the root account disabled. |
| 18:24.09 | kurufu | im not concerned with su or the behavior of anything. Im interested in ancient mailing list bickering. |
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| 18:24.34 | pyc | Is it possible to see the list of Debian packages of an old version like Debian 5.0 or 6.0? |
| 18:24.52 | pyc | I want to see if a specific package was available there and if so which version of it. |
| 18:25.07 | alexrelis[m] | pyc: Maybe here: https://www.debian.org/distrib/archive ? |
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| 18:27.57 | jelly | > As time goes on we will expire the binary packages for old releases. |
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| 18:28.03 | jelly | that seems a bit worrying |
| 18:28.59 | smurfke | does anyone know whether the package 'cfv' still exists in apt? |
| 18:29.06 | greycat | ,v cfv |
| 18:29.06 | smurfke | I cannot seem to find it via debian 10 |
| 18:29.07 | judd | Package: cfv on amd64 -- jessie: 1.18.3-2; stretch: 1.18.3-2 |
| 18:29.19 | smurfke | yes but it is not in buster it seems |
| 18:29.26 | greycat | right |
| 18:29.27 | smurfke | any way to still obtain it? |
| 18:29.38 | greycat | add a stretch source, or download it directly |
| 18:29.44 | smurfke | okay |
| 18:30.10 | jelly | !stretch sources.list |
| 18:30.10 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Stretch" has three lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch main" "deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security stretch/updates main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch-updates main". Be sure to run «apt update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <stretch/updates> <stretch-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list". |
| 18:30.40 | smurfke | thank you! |
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| 18:32.33 | pyc | alexrelis[m]: I checked that link but could not find any place where I can search for packages. |
| 18:33.46 | pyc | alexrelis[m]: looks like this is going to help: http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/ let me dig into this |
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| 18:42.31 | greycat | You can apparently retrieve historic package version numbers from UDD. I just asked it: select package, version from public.packages_summary where package like 'dpkg%' and release = 'squeeze'; |
| 18:43.30 | greycat | https://wiki.debian.org/UltimateDebianDatabase and https://udd.debian.org/schema/udd.html#public.table.packages-summary |
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| 18:53.18 | spal | greycat: That is a wonderful link. Thanks for sharing. |
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| 19:26.05 | Gerowen | jelly: One more question if you don't mind. Since I'm "increasing" the size of the partition, is that something that will take a considerable amount of time, or since it's not necessary to move any data around, will it be basically instant? I'll be doing it over SSH and am wondering if I need to send the resize process to the background or not in case I forget and close my laptop lid or something. |
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| 19:26.49 | greycat | you should pretty much always be using tmux or screen when you're working remotely |
| 19:27.08 | greycat | in case of sudden disconnection, you can just wait it out, ssh back in, and reattach to your previous session |
| 19:28.02 | smurfke | ,v rtorrent-ps |
| 19:28.04 | judd | No package named 'rtorrent-ps' was found in amd64. |
| 19:28.06 | smurfke | ,v rtorrent |
| 19:28.07 | judd | Package: rtorrent on amd64 -- jessie: 0.9.2-1; stretch: 0.9.6-2+b1; buster: 0.9.7-1; bullseye: 0.9.8-1; sid: 0.9.8-1 |
| 19:28.11 | Gerowen | greycat: That's a good point actually. It's my personal/home server, and have never bothered doing anything other than just using regular old gnome-terminal. |
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| 20:29.42 | Casper26 | Is there a way to have Debian disable wifi when lan is connected and enable wifi when lan is not present? |
| 20:31.33 | jolt | Casper26: great question! I guess it would be possible to do something with a script in /etc/network/if-up.d |
| 20:32.04 | jolt | Casper26: the script there is called with some env vars, so it should be possible to utilize that in a script that flips the interface. |
| 20:32.37 | jolt | There is probably some more fancy software that can handle it thought. I'm more of a server person myself, so I use the script way in my daily stuff. |
| 20:32.45 | jolt | Hence my "solution" |
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| 21:22.18 | rby813 | greycat: I think I might have disconnected there for a few hours. Did I miss anything, there? I see something about 5.9 and 5.10, which both support my GPU (I think) |
| 21:23.03 | rby813 | On a related note, is there a decent guide somewhere on how to deal with backports? Never done it before, I ended up finding a custom debian image specifically for the other Ryzen APU I had |
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| 21:24.04 | greycat | I don't know much about video support in post-stable kernels. |
| 21:24.30 | greycat | This was the line I spotted and pasted here earlier from your URL: 11:42 greycat> 06:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Renoir [1002:1636] (rev d1) |
| 21:24.43 | greycat | If anyone can help rby813 with this card, I'm sure they'd be happy. |
| 21:25.19 | rby813 | Alright I'll stop hassling you now. Thanks for the help so far, though! |
| 21:25.23 | Mister00X | rby813: Are you sure you need 5.10 |
| 21:25.44 | greycat | Oh, also I should point out that they didn't get this from their OWN system. They found it on the internet from someone else's system that they're assuming is similar to theirs. |
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| 21:26.02 | rby813 | I'm not sure what kernel version I need, I just know I need one more recent than what buster provides |
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| 21:26.19 | rby813 | and the lspci is from the same laptop model, just one that ships with more RAM and SSD space |
| 21:26.32 | rby813 | Lenovo Thinkpad L15 (AMD) |
| 21:27.04 | greycat | A thing you'll learn as you work with computers is that model numbers don't mean much. Manufacturers swap out components without changing the labels, *all* the time. |
| 21:27.12 | Mister00X | rby813: are you able to install buster ? Or does the installer work |
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| 21:28.22 | rby813 | I haven't attempted an install on the laptop yet (running Pro 4750U), but I did a successful install with a non-functional X install on a 3200G |
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| 21:28.44 | Mister00X | rby813: but the command line interface works? |
| 21:28.54 | hramrach | you can always do something like take out disk, connect disk to some other machine over usb, run installer in qemu to install on the disk, add any kernels you like, put back disk into laptop |
| 21:30.03 | another | ,kernels |
| 21:30.04 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 5.10.0-trunk-686 (5.10.2-1~exp1); sid: 5.9.0-5-686 (5.9.15-1); bullseye: 5.9.0-5-686 (5.9.15-1); buster-backports: 5.9.0-0.bpo.2-686 (5.9.6-1~bpo10+1); buster: 4.19.0-13-686-pae (4.19.160-2); stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.9-686-pae (4.19.118-2+deb10u1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.19.0-0.bpo.13-686 (4.19.160-2~deb9u1); jessie-backports: |
| 21:30.05 | judd | 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.12-686 (4.9.210-1+deb9u1~deb8u1) |
| 21:30.22 | another | rby813: buster-backports has 5.9 |
| 21:30.37 | hramrach | and experimental 5.10 |
| 21:30.41 | rby813 | Mister00X: Yes, it installs successfully. It's the display driver that has issues. If I recall correctly, it also has trouble booting, I may have needed to use nomodeset? This was a while ago. Unfortunately I do not have any alternate drives at this point in time, so I'm unable to do a hard drive swap. This is my first m.2 drive |
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| 21:31.39 | Mister00X | rby813: did you used the official or unofficial image? |
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| 21:32.17 | oxek | can someone please test if wget manages to download this? wget https://download.dnscrypt.info/dnscrypt-resolvers/v2/public-resolvers.md |
| 21:32.23 | another | is running 5.9 on a 4750U quite successfull |
| 21:32.27 | another | not debian though |
| 21:32.30 | oxek | curl works. I'm on debian 10, all updates applied. |
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| 21:33.03 | rby813 | The unsuccessful installs were with the official image, and the nonfree image. When I finally got it working, I had found a custom image that had the newer kernel and non-free drivers baked in |
| 21:33.08 | rby813 | another: What distro? |
| 21:33.11 | rby813 | Ubuntu? |
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| 21:33.42 | another | rby813: arch |
| 21:34.09 | rby813 | Ah, rolling release would have no issue with newer hardware, but I have issues with rolling release haha |
| 21:34.27 | another | did you try a backports kernel? |
| 21:34.56 | Mister00X | rby813: if debian fails to boot after the install I can't help you. However If the tty works I can explain to you how to get a kernel from backports |
| 21:36.47 | oxek | I get this error in wget https://0x0.st/-ryE.txt |
| 21:37.46 | rby813 | Mister00X: I found a user who had the same issue I did, and it's refreshing my memory. Debian successfully installs and boots to a blinking underscore that does not respond to keyboard input |
| 21:38.31 | rby813 | Is my best bet to roll to Ubuntu until packages in bullseye stabilize? |
| 21:38.33 | Mister00X | rby813: Have you tried alt+F2 or ctrl+alt+F2 to get to a tty |
| 21:39.05 | another | you could probably just boot an arch live iso, chroot into debian and install backports |
| 21:39.35 | rby813 | Yeah, can't get into a tty. Completely unresponsive. And that's not a terrible idea. |
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| 21:40.10 | Mister00X | another: I'm not sure about arch but an siduction iso will work for sure, because their're both "debian" |
| 21:40.32 | rby813 | Would it be possible to just recompile a debian iso with a newer kernel version for the install, since I have a working rig right now? |
| 21:40.40 | Mister00X | but I'm not a chroot expert |
| 21:40.50 | rby813 | I did LFS ages ago, so I don't really remember most of it |
| 21:41.10 | Mister00X | rby813: I can't help you with that. sorry |
| 21:41.12 | another | Mister00X: you can chroot from any linux |
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| 21:42.01 | rby813 | Ooh, I've been digging for an hour and I found it https://github.com/Head-on-a-Stick/newer-buster |
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| 21:43.33 | Mister00X | Just a question, would it be possible to install a backports kernel in the installer. Like switch to a tty install it from bpo and then complete the install? |
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| 21:44.47 | rby813 | That sure would be useful if it was possible |
| 21:45.14 | Mister00X | It is possible on debian live to install packages so maybe it's possible in the installer too. I'm just unsure about the kernel part |
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| 21:46.28 | rby813 | I wonder if the liveboot would even work. It uses the same kernel buster installs, right? 4.something? |
| 21:46.35 | rby813 | 4.7 or 4.9 I think |
| 21:46.48 | another | tbh i don't use the installer 98% of the time |
| 21:47.25 | another | possibly. i think you can open shells on tty2,3 |
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| 21:48.16 | hid3 | Greetings everyone. Slightly offtopic question but maybe anyone runs HP ProLiant / Microserver Gen8 and have upgraded iLo firmware? Will it take entire machine for a reboot or will iLo just restart itself without influencing the OS? |
| 21:48.17 | jelly | oxek, wget on debian 10, built with gnutls, fails. testssl.sh says that web page does TLSv1.2 and strong ciphersuites, so who knows why gnutls fails |
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| 21:48.38 | quadrathoch2 | rby813 Mister00X yes that's possible, you just need to go back (or expert installer) |
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| 21:48.51 | oxek | jelly: and curl uses openssl, which is why it works. So I guess no fault in wget, but in gnutls? |
| 21:48.53 | quadrathoch2 | you would still need to 'chroot /target' to get to the actual installed system |
| 21:48.58 | spacedust | https://www.zdnet.com/article/russia-wants-to-ban-the-use-of-secure-protocols-such-as-tls-1-3-doh-dot-esni/ |
| 21:49.01 | spacedust | what about that ? |
| 21:49.19 | ArsenArsen | is this news? tyrants have been trying it for a while |
| 21:49.38 | spacedust | and khazahstan with its root certs |
| 21:49.47 | spacedust | no not news since its q3 news :) |
| 21:50.01 | jelly | oxek, well, wget could be built with openssl as well, but isn't. |
| 21:50.03 | rby813 | quadrathoch2: Any decent guides for that? |
| 21:50.25 | spacedust | isnt there an option for certs in wget ? |
| 21:50.32 | spacedust | like not check certs |
| 21:50.44 | Mister00X | quadrathoch2: nice. Is it also possible to install the new kernel in the installer, like into the ram and after that the installer installs the newer kernel? Do you now any about that? |
| 21:50.48 | spacedust | sure its skipping "securety" |
| 21:51.04 | jelly | hid3, dunno about microservers, but on proliants flashing iLO reboots just iLO and does not affect any running OS at all |
| 21:51.05 | spacedust | Mister00X: you talking about kexec ? |
| 21:51.17 | spacedust | ah no |
| 21:51.38 | quadrathoch2 | rby813 eh, i guess it's like this (i know it s a screenshot by kali) https://www.techtutsonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/debian-installer_main-menu_1.png choose execute a shell, chroot /target/, edit your sources.list to include buster-backports, apt update, apt install -t buster-backports linux-image-amd64 |
| 21:51.42 | quadrathoch2 | exit, exit :) |
| 21:51.51 | hid3 | jelly, microserver is basically a proliant. Thanks for sharing your experience! |
| 21:51.55 | oxek | jelly: so I guess the solution to my problem is to use curl instead of wget, unless I want to recompile wget to use openssl instead of gnutls? |
| 21:52.07 | spacedust | oxek: try gentoo :P |
| 21:52.21 | jelly | oxek, please onsider filing a bug report against wget |
| 21:52.22 | spacedust | ohh im in #debian :D misstook it for #linux sorry :D didnt ment to |
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| 21:52.54 | Mister00X | spacedust: not necesarily it was about installing a backports kernel using the installer, before installing debian |
| 21:54.22 | jelly | spacedust, its nice to be enthusiastic about technology, but if you're trying to help, please focus on things you actually have hands-on experience with, and maybe not jump to "use different distro" right away |
| 21:55.16 | spacedust | oxek: ahaaaa you also in #linux thats why i got distracted :) |
| 21:55.18 | oxek | jelly: I checked the bugpage and looks like it has not been reported yet |
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| 21:55.33 | rby813 | Alright well I'm going to attempt an install with the image I linked earlier. Wish me luck! |
| 21:55.47 | spacedust | jelly: as i said i was repling one window (tab) away to oxek in #linux :) so sorry :) |
| 21:55.55 | spacedust | jelly: also was a joke ! of course ! |
| 21:56.01 | jelly | oxek, there might be something in src:gnutls or libgnutls30 |
| 21:56.02 | spacedust | i like debian and he can fix it in debian im sure |
| 21:56.34 | spacedust | i liked how once someone here in #debian helped me with upgrading an outdated server :D |
| 21:56.38 | jelly | spacedust, "try not checking certificates" did not sound like a jok |
| 21:56.38 | spacedust | at midnight :D |
| 21:56.59 | jelly | the issue has nothing to do with certificates |
| 21:57.19 | jelly | not every ssl/tls error is about certs |
| 21:57.21 | spacedust | he was like " oh so server almost creashed and now you doing open heart surgery ... okay lets see" :D |
| 21:57.41 | spacedust | sorry again i didnt even looked at the error .... |
| 21:57.49 | jelly | exactly |
| 21:57.57 | spacedust | goes silent |
| 21:58.11 | jelly | don't comment and provide help, unless you actually read wht people say and CAN help with that |
| 21:58.19 | oxek | workaround found: wget --secure-protocol=TLSv1_2 https://download.dnscrypt.info/dnscrypt-resolvers/v2/public-resolvers.md |
| 21:58.24 | oxek | no idea why it works |
| 21:58.24 | jelly | we have #debian-offtopic for chat |
| 21:58.28 | spacedust | as i said sorry i thought i was replying in another channel really |
| 21:58.44 | jelly | oxek, that really shouldn't be needed |
| 21:58.45 | spacedust | jelly: ill try it |
| 21:59.21 | jelly | but is useful info if you file a bug report |
| 21:59.47 | oxek | jelly: I agree it should not be needed, feels really odd, but it somehow makes it work. |
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| 22:22.07 | simpledat | Hi |
| 22:23.02 | simpledat | I just installed debian, LVM with encryption for the entire harddrive. Is it possible to shrink the size of the drive and use it for something else? |
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| 22:25.26 | bolt | simpledat: gparted may be able to help you, though I haven't resized an encrypted LVM with it before. make sure you have backups. |
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| 22:27.48 | simpledat | Can anyone please confirm this? |
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| 22:29.31 | pasiz | simpledat: installing debian is quite fast task. Why don't you reinstall if unsure? |
| 22:29.38 | oxek | simpledat: I confirm. You can resize the partition inside the container, and then resize the container |
| 22:30.03 | simpledat | oxek: Can I do it from windows as well? |
| 22:30.20 | oxek | definitely not |
| 22:30.57 | simpledat | Another question I have, I installed openvpn and gparted as root. But the path doesn't work, why? |
| 22:31.09 | simpledat | bash: gparted: command not found |
| 22:31.17 | oxek | sudo gparted |
| 22:31.31 | simpledat | oxek: Why? |
| 22:31.44 | simpledat | I used to su to root and run openvpn as usally. |
| 22:32.00 | quadrathoch2 | !buster su |
| 22:32.00 | dpkg | In buster, su no longer overrides PATH by default, requiring that you use "su -" or "su -l" for login shells (which is not really a new thing at all...). See https://wiki.debian.org/NewInBuster#Changes for details. |
| 22:32.12 | oxek | simpledat: because it is installed in /sbin/ which is not in a non-root users PATH by default |
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| 22:35.31 | simpledat | So all I have to do is to resize the partition marked in brown. '[Encrypted]' 'lvm2 pv' 'mycomputer-vg' |
| 22:36.12 | simpledat | I can't resize it |
| 22:36.22 | simpledat | Maybe because Im using it right now? |
| 22:36.43 | Mister00X | simpledat: you need to unmount them first |
| 22:36.45 | pasiz | good guess |
| 22:37.02 | pasiz | root partition is hard to unmount in live system |
| 22:37.10 | simpledat | So if I boot into my second harddrive with Windows 10. Can I use the drive manager to resize it? |
| 22:37.22 | pasiz | simpledat: no |
| 22:37.29 | simpledat | That makes no sense? |
| 22:37.36 | simpledat | Sorry, but why not? |
| 22:37.53 | pasiz | simpledat: how windows could decrypt your data and understand lvm |
| 22:38.10 | pasiz | but feel free try try |
| 22:38.20 | pasiz | to try |
| 22:38.38 | simpledat | So how am I gonna do it? |
| 22:39.06 | pasiz | simpledat: is debian hard and long task to install? |
| 22:39.15 | simpledat | I would rather not |
| 22:39.22 | Mister00X | simpledat: If you need to resize the root partition use a live image |
| 22:39.38 | pasiz | then boot your debian live and resize from there |
| 22:40.02 | pasiz | you may get it almost as fast as installing new system in text mode |
| 22:40.17 | simpledat | Sorry, I dont mean to bothering you. But what would it make for difference if I did it from GParted or Windows Disk manager? |
| 22:40.43 | Mister00X | simpledat: Windows does not know how to open LUKS container |
| 22:41.18 | Mister00X | and has troubles with LVM too |
| 22:41.20 | oxek | or LVM, or any underlying linux filesystem |
| 22:42.12 | simpledat | Hmh, I thought it wouln't matter because its unused data anyway. |
| 22:42.47 | pasiz | with that knowledge, i would avoid encrypting my file systems... |
| 22:45.40 | pasiz | simpledat: if you have encrypted volume, you cannot know where your data are and how much there is it. That's kind of the reason to encrypt whole volume... |
| 22:45.56 | simpledat | pasiz: I see, thank you. |
| 22:48.07 | pasiz | aim to please |
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| 22:52.50 | oxek | jelly: likely fixed upstream https://gitlab.com/gnutls/gnutls/-/issues/1131 |
| 22:52.59 | oxek | now I just need to wait for bullseye to hit stable |
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| 22:55.17 | cluelessperson | Could someone possibly help me discover how to properly mirror apt repos? |
| 22:55.27 | cluelessperson | and maybe the history behind ftpsync / archvsync ? |
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| 22:57.21 | quadrathoch2 | do you really want to mirror a repo, or is a cache enough/ |
| 22:57.27 | quadrathoch2 | cluelessperson ^ |
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| 22:58.47 | cluelessperson | quadrathoch2, My intention is to fully mirror all the main debian repos. I'm looking at and playing with the archvsync docker implementation, but haven't gotten it to work yet. |
| 23:00.15 | abrotman | cluelessperson: Should we ask why? Why not just use a cache? |
| 23:00.42 | abrotman | Depending which parts of Debian apt repos you want to mirror, you're consuming a fair bit of bandwidth |
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| 23:06.00 | cluelessperson | abrotman, for a combination of reasons, mainly archiving, a little bit of caching. |
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| 23:07.23 | cluelessperson | I was also thinking I might want to contribute to mirroring as well with some tooling |
| 23:07.43 | cluelessperson | like versioned p2p repo mirroring. |
| 23:08.14 | cluelessperson | just don't totally understand what ftpsync is doing or why yet. |
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| 23:12.47 | quadrathoch2 | cluelessperson ftpsync is just using rsync to mirror the files |
| 23:14.05 | cluelessperson | Yes, it looks to occur in two stages. |
| 23:14.20 | cluelessperson | I've avoided rsyncing manually to respect being told not to |
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| 23:14.36 | cluelessperson | but I'm likely to try it anyway soon. |
| 23:15.38 | oxek | won't that be 100s of GBs? |
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| 23:16.46 | quadrathoch2 | oxek yep |
| 23:17.38 | cluelessperson | sure, I'm looking to get an idea how to be specific. |
| 23:17.41 | tekk | Hi, I'm having the weirdest problem. I just changed my gateway and all of a sudden I can't resolve any DNS or connect to any hosts outside my network, however I am able to ping any host (by IP) successfully |
| 23:18.04 | tekk | I've checked my /etc/network/interfaces and ip route show, both look completely normal, and there is no firewall active that I can see |
| 23:18.23 | wallacer | so no TCP/UDP packets work but ICMP does? |
| 23:18.25 | tekk | other hosts on this network are working as intended |
| 23:18.33 | tekk | wallacer, TCP/UDP works locally, but not beyond the gateway |
| 23:18.35 | tekk | ICMP works everywhere |
| 23:19.04 | wallacer | locally as in everything accessible at the L2 layer, right? |
| 23:19.19 | tekk | yes |
| 23:19.30 | format_c | maybe it helps when you come around with some facts |
| 23:19.35 | tekk | I checked the ARP table too |
| 23:19.57 | tekk | I want someone to point out something obvious to me that I'm too tired to notice, but sadly, I can't seem to debug this one... |
| 23:20.01 | wallacer | hmm that'd mean that your gateway is dropping TCP/UDP connections, actually gives me NAT misconfiguration flashbacks |
| 23:20.03 | cluelessperson | tekk, what do you mean "changed your gateway" ? |
| 23:20.06 | wallacer | did you try tcpdumping? |
| 23:20.19 | cluelessperson | sounds like firewall to me. |
| 23:20.22 | tekk | my old gateway was 192.168.50.1 and I've now replaced it with a new appliance at 192.168.50.254 (thats all) |
| 23:20.38 | tekk | smells like firewall to me too, only thing I can think of is the gateway some how doesn't like this host... but unlikely (pfSense out the box) |
| 23:20.54 | wallacer | if you have access to the gateway you could try tcpdumping there to see if it's a error there |
| 23:21.13 | tekk | wallacer, no, thats my next one, just tcpdump -I interface tcp ? |
| 23:21.18 | tekk | good idea |
| 23:21.21 | tekk | I'll run on both |
| 23:21.29 | wallacer | yeah see what's happening both on your and the gateway's side |
| 23:21.54 | cluelessperson | tekk, I agree with them. tcpdump on gateway to confirm it's receiving the packets. then check gateway's logs to see if it's failing to route/blocking them in firewall. |
| 23:22.01 | cluelessperson | :) |
| 23:22.32 | wallacer | p.s. isn't it -i tho ? |
| 23:22.43 | tekk | indeed it is |
| 23:23.40 | tekk | well this is odd |
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| 23:27.06 | tekk91 | if I try to simply wget [some ip] and tcpdump at the same time, I see nothing. |
| 23:27.21 | tekk91 | I only see the SSH session spam (local) |
| 23:28.18 | format_c | what is the tcpdump command? |
| 23:28.23 | wallacer | are you sure it's routing over the right interface? |
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| 23:28.58 | tekk91 | it was the same interface as before, only the gateway IP changed.... default via 192.168.50.254 dev vmbr0 onlink |
| 23:29.03 | tekk91 | 192.168.50.0/24 is the network |
| 23:29.10 | tekk91 | vmbr0 is a bridged interface of em0 |
| 23:29.15 | tekk91 | nothing fancy in it though |
| 23:29.15 | smurfke | On a debian 10, will an (nfs) mount added as a line to /etc/fstab be converted to a system unit? |
| 23:29.55 | format_c | Yeah but since you apparently have 2 routers on the same network, ICMP redirects may dynamically modify your local routing table. |
| 23:29.56 | tekk91 | one detail thats perhaps important and I left out.... this Debian host is a KVM hypervisor... the gateway for the whole network is a guest VM |
| 23:30.12 | tekk91 | I have ran this configuration successfully before, but not sure if I needed to set any rules up |
| 23:30.24 | tekk91 | format_c the other router is disconnected |
| 23:30.53 | quadrathoch2 | smurfke nope |
| 23:31.07 | tekk91 | any other connected host behind that network works completely fine btw |
| 23:31.22 | format_c | Ah ok. |
| 23:32.09 | wallacer | is that a case of hypervisor to guest VM communications not working? |
| 23:32.25 | wallacer | was the previous gateway not a VM? |
| 23:32.55 | tekk91 | previous gateway not a VM |
| 23:33.02 | tekk91 | hypervisor -> guest VM comms seems fine |
| 23:33.12 | tekk91 | wireless / wired clients around the place also are fine |
| 23:33.22 | tekk91 | its just the hypervisor itself reaching beyond the gateway that seems problematic |
| 23:33.34 | tekk91 | and I'm 90% sure I didn't have to mess around too much last time I did this |
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| 23:48.18 | tekk | ok a few network issues whilst debugging ;) |
| 23:48.21 | tekk | still not solved |
| 23:49.05 | format_c | Mhh maybe getting the "network issues" fixed first? |
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| 23:55.02 | tekk | they are a symptom of this rapid debugging, nothing else |
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