| 00:00.06 | Sarcutus | CrystalMath: but there's still hot debate as to whether viruses are lifeforms at all |
| 00:00.27 | Monodroid | viruses have no reproduction system.. they cannot reproduce.. |
| 00:00.31 | Sarcutus | seeing as, given the right conditions, they don't even die ... |
| 00:00.34 | CrystalMath | Sarcutus: they have genetic material, they do evolve |
| 00:00.37 | robobox | I already know about him, total joke |
| 00:00.47 | CrystalMath | they do speciate |
| 00:00.53 | CrystalMath | they mutate |
| 00:01.04 | robobox | Monodroid that's bacteria, viruses use a host system to reproduce |
| 00:01.05 | CrystalMath | sometimes they even exchange genes |
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| 00:01.18 | Sarcutus | CrystalMath: Oh, they DEFINITELY evolve and speciate. But do they die? Like Monodroid said, they can't reproduce on their own ... |
| 00:01.19 | CrystalMath | bacteria can reproduce robobox |
| 00:01.28 | CrystalMath | no matter how much champaigne i drink i will never not know that |
| 00:01.32 | CrystalMath | they even do horizontal gene transfer |
| 00:02.11 | Monodroid | do you know how they produces the mask that ppl are wearing? |
| 00:02.14 | Monodroid | https://www.bitchute.com/video/HUtiigf4kjkf/ |
| 00:02.17 | Sarcutus | Bacteria are proper life forms. They consume resources in their environments and reproduce by mitosis, if I remember right ... they're certifiable. |
| 00:02.20 | robobox | cloth |
| 00:02.36 | format_c | This might be a discussion for the off-topic channel? |
| 00:02.41 | robobox | yeah |
| 00:02.42 | CrystalMath | Sarcutus: absolutely, but i'm on the side that holds that viruses are also lifeforms |
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| 00:03.18 | Sarcutus | CrystalMath: well, let's take this to off-topic if we could, but your POV could be totally valid here. Like I said, hot debate. :) |
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| 00:03.42 | CrystalMath | i first read "hot topic" |
| 00:03.51 | Sarcutus | That too. :) |
| 00:04.06 | CrystalMath | as since it's a place i thought the store |
| 00:04.20 | Sarcutus | Exactly |
| 00:04.26 | CrystalMath | yeah i need to drink water or something, i can't handle any alcohol |
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| 00:05.33 | robobox | also Monodroid *why* would people go to the effort to do this? |
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| 00:05.50 | sney | [17:02:14] <-- Monodroid has quit (Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))) |
| 00:06.08 | sney | for anyone else who wants to argue about covid now that the conspiracy muppet has been banned, go to #debian-offtopic |
| 00:06.25 | robobox | oh didn't see that |
| 00:06.47 | CrystalMath | really, that's suspicious, it looks like sigyn bans anyone who posts a video from bitchute |
| 00:06.57 | CrystalMath | or maybe that particular one |
| 00:07.04 | CrystalMath | now i have to see it |
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| 00:07.37 | CrystalMath | oh it's just the production process for masks... |
| 00:07.41 | CrystalMath | why is that important |
| 00:07.54 | Ede|Popede | i'm not really good with names, had to look for the name of 9 before, but this site rings a bell. so i think sigyn's argument is valid. |
| 00:08.13 | robobox | because statement first, facts to support it later |
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| 00:13.45 | foxide | Is this not off topic? |
| 00:13.52 | beelzebuzz | lol |
| 00:15.28 | brokencycle | OT: A Happy New Year, everyone! |
| 00:15.35 | CrystalMath | foxide: it is |
| 00:15.37 | CrystalMath | foxide: we moved |
| 00:15.55 | pasiz | OT: Happy New Year! |
| 00:19.32 | pasiz | May the force be with you |
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| 01:40.00 | Monodroid | If i download an iso per torrent, do i need to check the gpg signature, or can i assume that the iso is safe? |
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| 01:40.25 | foxide | I always check the signature, even if only as an integrity verification. |
| 01:42.44 | Monodroid | ok thx |
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| 02:40.37 | CrystalMath | ,bugs lightspark |
| 02:40.45 | CrystalMath | ,versions lightspark |
| 02:40.46 | judd | Package: lightspark on amd64 -- jessie: 0.7.2-6 |
| 02:40.54 | CrystalMath | ,bug lightspark |
| 02:40.56 | judd | No bugs were found in package lightspark. |
| 02:41.10 | CrystalMath | why was lightspark removed? it's under active development |
| 02:41.30 | CrystalMath | btw, i managed to compile gnash, but it doesn't really work, i therefore accept that gnash is kinda dead |
| 02:41.39 | CrystalMath | but lightspark has had its last commit yesterday |
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| 02:42.33 | CrystalMath | ,help |
| 02:42.34 | judd | (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. |
| 02:42.40 | CrystalMath | ,help remove |
| 02:43.00 | sney | you're probably looking for |
| 02:43.04 | sney | ,bug rm lightspark |
| 02:43.12 | CrystalMath | ah |
| 02:43.15 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/885024 in ftp.debian.org (closed): «RM: lightspark -- RoQA; RC-buggy; unmaintained; deals with obsolete technology (Flash)»; severity: normal; opened: 2017-12-22; last modified: 2018-01-24. |
| 02:43.25 | CrystalMath | ah, 2018 |
| 02:44.19 | CrystalMath | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:44.27 | CrystalMath | there was a commit 3 days before that was posted... |
| 02:44.34 | CrystalMath | how in the world is that unmaintained |
| 02:44.57 | CrystalMath | i should maybe create a bug report to add lightspark |
| 02:45.04 | CrystalMath | it's still under very active development |
| 02:45.11 | sney | !wnpp |
| 02:45.11 | dpkg | For information on packages which are not in Debian but you think should be, check the Work-Needing and Prospective Packages list at http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp (refinable list at http://wnpp.debian.net/). Use wnpp-alert (from the <devscripts> package) to see what packages you are using that are in need of help. |
| 02:45.40 | sney | knock yourself out, but don't expect much traction on obsolete tech, unless they have a full reverse engineered implementation or something |
| 02:46.09 | foxide | Given that flash is basically dead... |
| 02:46.29 | CrystalMath | lightspark is not dead |
| 02:46.35 | CrystalMath | it had its last commit yesterday |
| 02:47.00 | sney | the EOL date is today, which is why suddenly everyone wants more flash implementations right now after YEARS of declining support/interest |
| 02:47.17 | CrystalMath | sney: pretty much :P |
| 02:47.34 | CrystalMath | but i wait for technology to become EOL to become interested in it, it's not just flash, i'm a huge retrocomputing fanatic |
| 02:47.39 | CrystalMath | and we have NES emulators and stuff |
| 02:47.45 | CrystalMath | in debian |
| 02:47.48 | CrystalMath | so i don't see why not lightspark |
| 02:48.35 | CrystalMath | i doubt people will want a browser plugin (i'm not interested in that), just a standalone thing |
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| 02:49.13 | sney | then file a RFP for it, explaining your rationale, and see what happens |
| 02:49.32 | sney | (or if you're familiar with the codebase and have time, an ITP) |
| 02:49.42 | CrystalMath | it doesn't appear to be in the prospective packagges list already |
| 02:49.45 | CrystalMath | so yeah |
| 02:49.50 | CrystalMath | what's an ITP? |
| 02:50.02 | sney | intent to package, that's where you are volunteering to maintain the package |
| 02:50.28 | CrystalMath | so i would need to sign up on alioth |
| 02:50.46 | sney | eventually, but the first steps are just email and irc |
| 02:51.10 | sney | and it's salsa now, not alioth. |
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| 02:52.26 | CrystalMath | i see, thanks |
| 02:52.42 | CrystalMath | could i also do something a little lazy, like |
| 02:52.48 | sney | afaik you can't even get a salsa account until after you've worked with debian-mentors a bit |
| 02:52.49 | CrystalMath | file an RFP, and then if nobody wants to maintain it |
| 02:53.03 | CrystalMath | i also offer to maintain it |
| 02:53.10 | sney | that is an option for sure |
| 02:53.29 | sney | though if you want there to be a chance of this getting into bullseye for the stable release, don't waste any time |
| 02:53.54 | CrystalMath | huh, when is bullseye coming? |
| 02:54.00 | CrystalMath | i feel like buster came out pretty recently |
| 02:54.02 | sney | the freeze is in ~3 weeks |
| 02:54.07 | CrystalMath | i still haven't upgraded to buster |
| 02:54.13 | CrystalMath | well, this machine i have |
| 02:54.16 | sney | bullseye itself will probably drop around september |
| 02:54.18 | CrystalMath | but not all machines |
| 02:54.24 | CrystalMath | september 2021? |
| 02:54.27 | sney | yes |
| 02:54.35 | CrystalMath | that's a debian schedule i'm more familiar with :) |
| 02:55.02 | sney | I can't speak for the release team officially, but the last 2 freezes have lasted about 8 months, and bullseye's is about to start. so aug/sept with wiggle room. |
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| 02:55.13 | CrystalMath | not as slow as slackware, but one could stil fall into a coma, and wake up to see the same stable release |
| 02:55.18 | CrystalMath | *still |
| 02:55.28 | CrystalMath | (i like slow release schedules though, so that's a good thing) |
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| 02:56.06 | CrystalMath | when was buster released? |
| 02:56.24 | sney | !buster |
| 02:56.24 | dpkg | Buster is the codename for the current <stable> release, Debian 10, released 2019-07-06. "Buster" is Andy's pet Dachshund in Toy Story, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianBuster . Ask me about <install buster>, <release notes>, <stretch->buster>. <apt suite changed> |
| 02:56.41 | CrystalMath | i remember i was extremely upset about the change to freetype |
| 02:56.49 | CrystalMath | so i modify the code of my own freetype package |
| 02:56.58 | CrystalMath | but i also mostly switched to bitmap fonts, and got used to them |
| 02:57.02 | CrystalMath | at least they won't change on me |
| 02:59.44 | sponix | !bullseye |
| 02:59.44 | dpkg | The release following Debian 10 "Buster" is codenamed "Bullseye" (Woody's horse in Toy Story 2) and will be Debian 11. It is the current "testing" release. Remember that testing is called testing for a reason; good bug reports with patches are greatly appreciated! https://wiki.debian.org/DebianBullseye https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2020/03/msg00002.html, or see <bullseye freeze> |
| 03:00.28 | sponix | I should run Testing in a VM for shits and giggles |
| 03:01.49 | sney | "shits and giggles" testing is much earlier in the dev cycle. bullseye's major transitions are all done and it's pretty solid atm |
| 03:02.44 | sney | though if you're using anything python2, or trying to upgrade to bullseye from a buster system that has a toolchain installed via one of the bigger metapackages, it can be a little messy still |
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| 03:07.42 | sponix | sney: is there an installer for it, or is it like sid where you install buster and then just swap the source lines ? |
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| 03:08.25 | sney | there's a testing installer, though it can be more broken than the OS itself, I used the alpha3 image a couple weeks ago and it worked |
| 03:08.27 | sney | !testing installer |
| 03:08.27 | dpkg | Repeat after me: the testing installer is for testing the <installer>, not for installing <testing>. To install testing, do a minimal installation using the <stable> installer and ask me about <stable->testing>. Installer bugs should be filed against the debian-installer pseudopackage. https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 03:08.44 | sney | installing buster and upgrading is fine too |
| 03:09.02 | sponix | LOL |
| 03:09.07 | sponix | "repeat after me" ;) |
| 03:10.20 | sponix | I think when I get my new extra computer built, it will run Debian |
| 03:10.24 | sney | "help, I used the testing installer and everything is broken" was a common question for a while, I think in the stretch era. it's still good advice. |
| 03:10.35 | sponix | my new OLD computer that is |
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| 04:44.40 | t3st3r | seems adobe flash is no more.. |
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| 05:05.01 | mrkramps | IT'S DEAD!!! |
| 05:07.58 | johnm | mrkramps: party is on #freenode-newyears |
| 05:08.06 | johnm | it was announced via wallops |
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| 05:16.08 | smurfke | Hello I found a specific package that is listed within: https://packages.debian.org/sid/ |
| 05:16.17 | smurfke | how do I add 'sid' as a source to my apt repo's? |
| 05:17.00 | quadrathoch2 | smurfke if you don't run sid, don't |
| 05:18.00 | foxide | !ssb |
| 05:18.00 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 05:18.38 | foxide | smurfke: That process (ssb) is what you do when you want to run a single sid package on an otherwise-stable system. Not all packages can be built this way. |
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| 05:27.23 | smurfke | foxide: cool, thank you |
| 05:27.47 | smurfke | it states first check debian-backports, how do I do that exactly? |
| 05:28.05 | smurfke | ah, it's a public website |
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| 05:28.53 | smurfke | cool, I see it is in "bullseye (testing)" |
| 05:29.17 | smurfke | is it safe to add that one to the sources list or should I follow the same procedure as you described foxide? |
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| 05:29.44 | foxide | Follow the same procedure. Do not mix releases. |
| 05:29.53 | foxide | That is a VERY quick way to broken. |
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| 05:30.14 | smurfke | okay thank you |
| 05:30.42 | smurfke | How do I ask the bot about "<deb-src sid>"? |
| 05:30.47 | smurfke | !deb-src sid |
| 05:30.47 | dpkg | You can get apt to download source packages with a <deb-src> line in your <sources.list>. A suitable entry for the sid release is: "deb-src http://deb.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free". Remember to "apt-get update" after changing your sources.list. |
| 05:30.55 | smurfke | cool |
| 05:31.08 | smurfke | !deb-src bullseye |
| 05:31.08 | dpkg | You can get apt to download source packages with a <deb-src> line in your <sources.list>. A suitable entry for the bullseye release is: "deb-src http://deb.debian.org/debian/ bullseye main contrib non-free". Remember to "apt-get update" after changing your sources.list. |
| 05:32.21 | smurfke | !bdo |
| 05:32.21 | dpkg | backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable (see <buster backports>) and oldstable (<stretch backports>) distributions, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <bdo xorg> <bdo NEW>. |
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| 05:33.24 | quadrathoch2 | smurfke you can also use /msg dpkg bdo for example so you don't spam the channel :) |
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| 05:33.58 | smurfke | didn't know, will do that! :D |
| 05:34.31 | smurfke | also, it states "enable debian-backports see !bdo", but that command doesn't explain how to enable debian-backports |
| 05:34.49 | foxide | !buster backports |
| 05:34.49 | dpkg | Some packages intended for Bullseye (Debian 11) but recompiled for use with Buster (Debian 10) can be found in the buster-backports repository. See http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ . Ask me about <bdo>, <backports>. |
| 05:35.42 | smurfke | thank you |
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| 05:47.21 | smurfke | I succesfully added the bullseye src to my sources.list because "apt-cache madison mypackage" lists 2 versions now. One from buster/main and one from bullseye/main. |
| 05:47.41 | smurfke | How do I tell apt-get to install the specific version of bullseye/main? |
| 05:49.53 | quadrathoch2 | smurfke so the package doesn't exist in buster-backports? |
| 05:50.27 | foxide | smurfke: You did not do as the instructions told you to do if you added anything from bullseye. |
| 05:50.54 | foxide | And if you're seeing things in apt search, then you didn't add a src line, either, you added a package line, and are close to breaking your system. |
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| 05:51.06 | smurfke | foxide, correct, it states the following: "Sorry, your search gave no results" |
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| 05:51.58 | smurfke | foxide, I added this line: "deb-src http://deb.debian.org/debian/ bullseye main contrib non-free" |
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| 05:52.10 | foxide | You should not have done that. |
| 05:52.14 | smurfke | okay |
| 05:53.00 | smurfke | which is weird because the command instructed me to do "1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid>" |
| 05:53.08 | smurfke | I just replaced sid by bullseye |
| 05:53.15 | foxide | Which you should not have done. |
| 05:53.27 | foxide | It said sid specifically. Do that. |
| 05:53.31 | smurfke | ah ok |
| 05:54.15 | smurfke | I misunderstood your instruction on following the same procedure and not mixing releases. |
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| 05:54.56 | smurfke | because in my eyes "testing" (bullseye) is more stable than "unstable" (sid) |
| 05:55.16 | smurfke | but that's probably a wrong way of looking at it, right? |
| 05:57.16 | foxide | Correct. You're not running a given release. You're building a package. |
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| 06:00.08 | smurfke | alright, will build the package off sid in that case |
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| 06:19.47 | foxide | fixes his stuff, sorry for bounces |
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| 11:12.56 | NetTerminalGene | if i don't choose LVM for full disk encryption when installing debian, does it encrypt swap partition? |
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| 11:17.08 | rudi_s | NetTerminalGene: I don't know but I think it won't (or you need a separate key). Is there a reason why you don't want to use LVM? It's really useful to have that as underlay because it's flexible. |
| 11:17.53 | rudi_s | (The fact that the default debian installer uses the whole disk for LVs and does not keep some space unused makes it somewhat less useful on default installations though.) |
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| 11:19.16 | NetTerminalGene | rudi_s: no particular reason. i just don't want to add another parameter |
| 11:19.57 | rudi_s | Parameter? |
| 11:20.46 | NetTerminalGene | rudi_s: i mean LVM |
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| 11:21.14 | NetTerminalGene | why should i add something like that if i don't need it |
| 11:21.27 | rudi_s | NetTerminalGene: The question is, why not? It doesn't hurt performance, it's flexible and you might find it useful in the future. |
| 11:21.47 | rudi_s | For example to simplify encryption because you can multiple "partitions" inside a single encrypted volume. |
| 11:21.57 | rudi_s | Of course there are different ways to achieve this but LVM makes it simple. |
| 11:23.15 | jelly | NetTerminalGene, if you're using cryptsetup for fde, running lvm on top is probably the most often used and well exercised setup |
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| 11:24.40 | ratrace | NetTerminalGene: even if it doesn't it's extremely easy to do it yourself using cryptsetup's plain, on boot, with a /dev/random key |
| 11:25.51 | rudi_s | That won't work if you want to hibernate though. |
| 11:26.00 | ratrace | right |
| 11:27.00 | ratrace | unless you whip up support for that with an initramfs script, AND use LUKS instead of plain |
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| 11:55.04 | Rovanion | The machine readable instructions to make a specific deb, where can I find them? |
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| 12:06.20 | themill | !debian/rules |
| 12:06.21 | dpkg | debian/rules is the makefile used when building a .deb from source, edit it to change compilation options. Some packages use sophisticated build systems that should be documented in debian/README.source. Also remember to make a new entry in debian/changelog with "~yourname" (for a backport) or "+yourname" (for a recompile) added to the version number. See also <makefile>, <hold>, <package recompile>, <source>, <unique package version>. |
| 12:06.23 | themill | Rovanion: ^^ |
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| 12:16.07 | Rovanion | Thanks, found it for the package I'm interested in: https://sources.debian.org/src/nomacs/3.12.0+dfsg-3/debian/rules/ |
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| 13:15.19 | rgr | bash Q. I'm missing something obvious. First line (uncommented) works, but why not the second http://ix.io/2KuJ |
| 13:16.24 | rk4 | nfi, presumably double square brackets are needed[?] |
| 13:17.05 | rk4 | but what i am reminded of is how many disasters we've had in prod and said "ok srsly guys, we're going to stop writing big buggy shell scripts" |
| 13:17.52 | rgr | then QA them. Do you know bash? I can guess too. |
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| 13:19.51 | rk4 | guesses he didn't know there is a giant #bash room |
| 13:21.49 | ratrace | well, rules of the internet need an amendment. if it exists, there's an irc channel of it. |
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| 13:25.16 | n4dir | i say it should work. What means "the second works not"? |
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| 13:25.50 | n4dir | before asking in #bash i would use shellcheck.net, else you will probably get pointed to the bash-guide |
| 13:27.31 | rk4 | ah i see you've found the single haskell program in use |
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| 13:30.36 | jelly | if rgr was still in the channel I'd ask them whether they were 100% sure the code was executed in bash and not some other shell |
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| 13:33.03 | n4dir | with [[ being a bashism? (or at least not be found in all shells) |
| 13:33.57 | jelly | it's mostly definitely a bashism |
| 13:34.03 | jelly | s/ly// |
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| 13:39.28 | n4dir | i guess the main thing here is "not work" not saying much, if nothing obvious is to be seen |
| 13:39.53 | n4dir | besides the usual pitchfalls like quotes or the lack of them |
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| 13:46.21 | jelly | you think their $HOME has spaces in it? :-) |
| 13:47.11 | jelly | that would actually be a nice touch, put them in "/Homes of users" and see what breaks |
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| 13:50.16 | n4dir | no, i just meant to do it as recommended (wether needed or not). I thought about it though, but he line which was said to not work uses [[; and iirc inside of them double quotes are not needed? |
| 13:50.23 | rk4 | you guys are too generous, the root cause was he was lazy and impatient |
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| 13:50.52 | n4dir | never miss a chance to learn something yourself. That is a level where i can get my head into, at least try |
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| 13:52.05 | rk4 | fair enough, i googled and experimented too re his question :) |
| 13:52.31 | n4dir | I'd love to know bash well, but the problem is that i never really need it. |
| 13:52.35 | abrotman | first time with rgr? |
| 13:52.51 | rk4 | i can't bring myself to actually do [[ -f blah ]] && instead of test -f blah && though, test -f && just seems so much nicer |
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| 13:53.31 | rk4 | abrotman: he has a pattern i presume? |
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| 14:15.47 | Morg0th | Hello there, do I need Debian 11 to use nvidia prime render offload? This page seems to indicate that, but I'm not sure https://wiki.debian.org/NVIDIA%20Optimus#Using_NVIDIA_PRIME_Render_Offload |
| 14:17.22 | Morg0th | If it requires Debian 11, can I just do the upgrade from buster, hoping that things will be stable enough? |
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| 14:21.11 | abrotman | Morg0th: I can't answer the nVidia question, but sure, you can move your system to Bullseye. It's reasonably stable for a desktop/laptop. Do note that there's no official security support, but instead via normal package updates |
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| 14:22.18 | Morg0th | abrotman: alright thanks, i might try that then, seems like the nvidia driver things are better on bullseye |
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| 14:35.00 | grndslm | screen script masters.... |
| 14:35.31 | grndslm | how can i run a script inside screen at bootup, using /etc/rc.local?? |
| 14:35.37 | grndslm | or ANY OTHER method, for that matter... |
| 14:36.02 | grndslm | would REALLY like the use screen, tmux, or similar to detach, reattach, etc. |
| 14:36.11 | pasiz | grndslm: do you really need the screen, or are you running service |
| 14:36.27 | grndslm | pasiz: i would REALLY like the screen, yes |
| 14:36.37 | grndslm | no matter the method |
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| 14:37.28 | Elefanten | Hi! |
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| 14:37.33 | pasiz | if you like to start a screen, use correct user crontab and @reboot directive |
| 14:37.55 | pasiz | if you want to run service, use init system |
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| 14:38.15 | pasiz | i think this is discussed on ##linux while ago |
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| 14:41.25 | Elefanten | Does anyone know why I'm getting grub error "disk 'lvmid/xxx/yyy' not found." ? |
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| 14:44.22 | Elefanten | Hey, anyone that can help me with grub issues? |
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| 14:52.12 | ArsenArsen | Elefanten: #grub may be of more assistance, but before that, did you loadmod lvm2? |
| 14:52.35 | ArsenArsen | or rather, loadmod lvm |
| 14:52.44 | ArsenArsen | (in grub, not linux) |
| 14:53.17 | ArsenArsen | grndslm: dtach may serve you better for services, combined with a normal systemd unit |
| 14:54.05 | ArsenArsen | eg I do `dtach -N /tmp/thing.dtach thing' for some of my services, then reattach using dtach -a /tmp/thing.dtach |
| 14:56.07 | Elefanten | ArsenArsen: Where is the loadmod supposed to be? I've got two servers which *should* be identical, but they obviously aren't as one isn't booting. |
| 14:56.24 | ArsenArsen | in grub.cfg |
| 14:56.34 | ArsenArsen | check the grub console |
| 14:56.57 | ArsenArsen | try to load it in there |
| 14:58.19 | Elefanten | ArsenArsen: Thanks, however, that file shouldn't be modified. Where should I load it? |
| 14:58.48 | ArsenArsen | in the grub console, try loading it there, see if it manages to load |
| 14:58.52 | Elefanten | Should I put it in /etc/default/grub on LINUX_DEFAULT line? |
| 14:58.57 | Elefanten | Alright |
| 14:59.06 | ArsenArsen | no, in the grub console, loadmod |
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| 14:59.23 | Elefanten | Ok |
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| 15:05.59 | Elefanten | ArsenArsen: grub rescue> Unknown command 'loadmod'. |
| 15:06.13 | ArsenArsen | sorry, insmod |
| 15:06.29 | Elefanten | ArsenArsen: Now what? :) |
| 15:06.44 | ArsenArsen | menu and then see if you can boot |
| 15:07.15 | Elefanten | I'm not sure how I get out of grub rescue, ArsenArsen |
| 15:07.23 | ArsenArsen | `menu` should do it |
| 15:07.35 | Elefanten | ArsenArsen: Unknown command |
| 15:08.33 | Elefanten | I also see failure reading sector 0xb30 from fd0, 0x0 from fd0, 0xb30 from fd1. Not sure if that is SATA CDROM or whatever |
| 15:08.49 | ArsenArsen | hmm what is the command again, one moment |
| 15:09.11 | ArsenArsen | esc should work |
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| 15:10.17 | Elefanten | ArsenArsen: ESC doesn't do anything |
| 15:10.17 | ArsenArsen | as in, the key, I confused it, there's no command for it |
| 15:10.38 | Elefanten | Yep pressed it ArsenArsen |
| 15:10.48 | ArsenArsen | you should see the menu |
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| 15:11.15 | Elefanten | ArsenArsen: nope, no menu |
| 15:11.24 | Elefanten | Keeps me in grub rescue |
| 15:11.24 | ArsenArsen | what do you see |
| 15:11.29 | Elefanten | grub rescue> |
| 15:11.34 | ArsenArsen | ah, hmm |
| 15:12.53 | ArsenArsen | `ls' and see if there's some lvm drive |
| 15:13.10 | Elefanten | ArsenArsen: weird, some commands don't work which seem like they should work https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/Troubleshooting |
| 15:13.34 | Elefanten | ArsenArsen: gives me hd0, fd0, fd1 and then the failure reading sector error for fd0 and fd1 |
| 15:14.14 | Elefanten | ArsenArsen: fd0 is seems to be virtual floppy |
| 15:14.15 | ArsenArsen | fd* are floppies |
| 15:14.17 | ArsenArsen | yes |
| 15:14.22 | Elefanten | I'll disable them |
| 15:14.31 | ArsenArsen | it shouldn't change much |
| 15:14.46 | Elefanten | Yeah most likely not |
| 15:14.51 | ArsenArsen | the lvm module is missing, likely the issue, I'm not sure what would cause that |
| 15:16.07 | Elefanten | ArsenArsen: any way to correct that from Deb rescue? |
| 15:16.52 | ArsenArsen | probably with a chroot |
| 15:16.54 | ArsenArsen | not sure |
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| 15:19.43 | relipse | how do I know if my cron ran. can i see the ouptut of my cron line? |
| 15:19.58 | Elefanten | ArsenArsen: hmm :/ |
| 15:20.26 | ectospasm | relipse: you can usually look in /var/log/messages or syslog |
| 15:20.53 | ectospasm | `grep cron /var/log/syslog` or similar. |
| 15:21.06 | relipse | that file does not exist |
| 15:21.07 | ectospasm | or grep -i cron.... |
| 15:21.20 | relipse | i don't have a /var/log/syslog |
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| 15:21.41 | ectospasm | Oh, yeah. `journalctl -u cron` |
| 15:24.13 | relipse | No journal files were found. |
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| 16:15.22 | aLinux` | hey all,happy new year. i have myria 8315 bl (i know its a junk laptop) im trying to install "debian-10.7.0-amd64-netinst.iso" i tried to boot from diferent usb sticks but they all work perfectly fine on other laptops.. on this myria after selecting "graphical install" the installer hangs/freezes and the only way to exit that its to shut off the |
| 16:15.23 | aLinux` | laptop. i tried diferent ways to prepare usb sticks but the same result for this laptop. any solution to this ? also its a intel chipset with some intel celeron and wifi realtek,no lan. |
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| 16:16.38 | ice99 | why people hates systemd? |
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| 16:26.23 | abrotman | aLinux`: how did you prepare the USB stick? |
| 16:26.47 | aLinux` | abrotman rufus iso mode or dd |
| 16:26.49 | abrotman | ice99: You're capable of using Google, this is a channel for people that need actual help |
| 16:27.04 | abrotman | aLinux`: from Linux, correct? |
| 16:27.10 | aLinux` | abrotman i did not find any similar problems to mine |
| 16:27.13 | aLinux` | no.. windows |
| 16:27.18 | aLinux` | "rufus" |
| 16:27.21 | abrotman | dpkg: win32diskimager |
| 16:27.21 | dpkg | win32diskimager is much more reliable than <rufus> or <unetbootin> for copying ISO images to USB sticks and you can download it from https://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ . Adjust the file mask from *.img to *.* if it doesn't show Debian .iso images. See <usb install> and <install debian> for further details. |
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| 16:29.00 | aLinux` | well.. i can try but it doesnt work on this laptop .. all other devices work booting with the usb sticks i made |
| 16:29.29 | aLinux` | im going to try with win32diskimager and test it out |
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| 16:43.05 | aLinux` | dpkg abrotman same result ! its not app fault. its something else. i tried diferent apps but same result |
| 16:43.05 | dpkg | You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, aLinux` |
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| 16:43.55 | aLinux` | abrotman like i said it works fine on other laptop's/pc's |
| 16:44.43 | deeplogic | geeeeez, why did they destroy the debian.org website ? |
| 16:45.16 | Ede|Popede | re: usb boot, what happened to vga=ask? |
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| 16:46.01 | aLinux` | Ede|Popede i did not try that.. but i tried something else and after i hit f10 it freezes |
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| 16:46.12 | aLinux` | it wont go after pressing enter |
| 16:46.26 | aLinux` | right now im making a debian live one.. to test out |
| 16:46.43 | Ede|Popede | F10 to get the boot menu or sth? |
| 16:47.08 | aLinux` | no.. F10 after edit boot options |
| 16:47.27 | aLinux` | after entering debian boot menu |
| 16:47.35 | aLinux` | :( |
| 16:47.55 | Ede|Popede | ah right. boot the entry. i always look what is offered, don't even bother remembering the keys xD |
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| 16:48.28 | Ede|Popede | did you check with 'e' what it does? maybe you can add/remove/modify some parameter |
| 16:48.48 | Elefanten | ArsenArsen: Switched the HBA card from one server to the other and it solved it, but now the other server has an issue. Currently re-flashing fw |
| 16:49.00 | aLinux` | well.. i cant remember exactly but im testing now debian kde live to see if it boots |
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| 16:50.40 | deeplogic | i can't find a link to search the packages on the new and devolved debian.org site |
| 16:50.55 | aLinux` | "set params 'graphical install' set background_color=black linux /install.amd/vmlinuz vga=788 --- quiet initrd /install.amd/gtk/initrd.gz |
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| 16:51.09 | aLinux` | this is what it shows after pressing E |
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| 16:51.43 | aLinux` | Ede|Popede .. i tried something with nomode.. but same result |
| 16:52.57 | Ede|Popede | 788 shouldn't be too extreme http://pierre.baudu.in/other/grub.vga.modes.html |
| 16:53.08 | deeplogic | ok, i found it, but i really hate the new debian.org site |
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| 16:58.10 | digdilem | deeplogic, personal taste. But I do too. Gone from teeny tiny text to massive icons. But I hardly ever go there so as problems go it's not a biggie. |
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| 16:59.39 | boktan | hello i did buy one vps i want to let them install debian on it but the seller is saying me there is no panel for it but i found one named cloud panel is it similar to plesk panel? which panels you suggest me? |
| 17:01.29 | Ede|Popede | aLinux`: debug? and maybe unset selinux. can't remember if it's even used when not explicitely listed, my own grub issues are of a different nature |
| 17:02.38 | boktan | and cloud panel looks similar for me with the panel of digital ocean but what is your suggestion friends? |
| 17:03.13 | zykotick9 | aLinux`: have you tried the "normal" (ie non-graphical) install? Same result? |
| 17:03.58 | Ede|Popede | !free whcp |
| 17:03.58 | dpkg | FOSS Web Hosting Control Panels include: <DTC>, <GNUPanel>, <ISPConfig> and <ispCP> Omega. Don't use <Webmin>. http://wiki.debian.org/HostingControlPanels |
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| 17:09.19 | nifker | what is this library? "/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/librt-2.28.so" |
| 17:09.54 | abrotman | nifker: you can find out which package it's in, and then read the package description |
| 17:10.02 | ArsenArsen | it's glibc |
| 17:11.03 | nifker | ArsenArsen: but it doesnt exist on my system lol |
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| 17:11.09 | ArsenArsen | librt.so does |
| 17:11.18 | Ede|Popede | remove the filename and tab it |
| 17:11.25 | Ede|Popede | or at least the version |
| 17:11.55 | abrotman | nifker: what's the actual problem? are you trying to run something looking for that exact file? |
| 17:13.46 | boktan | which panel on debian i can use to control domains, users, mails, dns things etc from web for my paid server? |
| 17:14.15 | boktan | it would be nice anything similar to plesk panel if exist |
| 17:16.12 | zykotick9 | boktan: that '!free whcp' and the message from dpkg starting with "FOSS Web Hosting..." was intended for you. you can use "/msg dpkg DTC", "/msg dpkg GNUPanel", etc for more info when you see something in <thesebrackets>. |
| 17:16.18 | grndslm | omg.... somebody please help me figure out how to run a script thru screen or tmux in detached mode AT BOOT.... |
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| 17:16.52 | grndslm | i can run the script thru screen at regular command line.... but when attempting to run it at boot, it NEVER works.... no matter if I use rc-local, rc-local.service, screen.service, crontab -e, etc.... |
| 17:16.55 | grndslm | the simpler the better |
| 17:17.37 | grndslm | i actually had it working yesterday and had to reinstall because of a bootloader issue.... now i can't remember wtf i did! |
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| 17:23.47 | aLinux` | zykotick9 yes.. same result.. also live version.. same result ! |
| 17:24.04 | aLinux` | unable to boot any install or live debian |
| 17:24.05 | zykotick9 | aLinux`: ummm :( good luck! |
| 17:25.13 | pasiz | grndslm: do you have reason to use scree |
| 17:25.20 | pasiz | +n |
| 17:28.08 | zykotick9 | grndslm: <my 2 cents> I'd look for some environment variable being different between your user (where it works) and when it's run at boot. Does your script use full paths? Reply on some variable that doesn't exist when being run at boot? </peanut gallery> |
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| 17:31.58 | grndslm | pasiz: omg, yes, i have a reason. i'm running this server headless, and there's no other easy way to have this script run, show me output, and allow me to interact with it |
| 17:32.01 | grndslm | except for maybe tmux |
| 17:32.05 | grndslm | i guess i should try that |
| 17:32.07 | grndslm | sheesh |
| 17:32.39 | pasiz | boot time script that needs interaction on headless server |
| 17:33.08 | pasiz | sounds good... |
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| 17:33.23 | grndslm | zykotick9: yes, it uses full paths.... only 2, which are shown in all their glory..... /home/grndslm/folder/folder/scriptFile.sh && /usr/bin/screen |
| 17:33.43 | grndslm | i cd to the directory with the scriptFile.sh..... and then i run /usr/bin/screen ./scriptFile.sh |
| 17:33.53 | grndslm | couldn't be any simpler than that, but it just gives me an error |
| 17:35.06 | grndslm | this is the output i'm seeing.... |
| 17:35.08 | grndslm | https://pastebin.com/WrVAzDyu |
| 17:36.41 | grndslm | rc.local is only 3 lines: |
| 17:36.49 | grndslm | #!/bin/shcd /home/grndslm/folder/build/ sudo -u root screen -d -m bash -c './scriptFile.sh --options --moreOpts -etcOpts' |
| 17:36.52 | jolt | grndslm: shouldn't /etc/rc.local be chmod +x btw, coukld that be it? |
| 17:37.05 | grndslm | already been made executable |
| 17:37.14 | grndslm | it has something to do with screen & bootup |
| 17:37.25 | grndslm | it's missing some service at boot or something, i dunno |
| 17:37.30 | grndslm | i swear i had it working yesterday, tho |
| 17:37.55 | jolt | you could also just make your own systemd service instead |
| 17:38.10 | grndslm | i've tried with exec "screen.....", bash -c, systemd.services, etc. |
| 17:38.17 | grndslm | i cannot get it to work at boot |
| 17:38.23 | grndslm | TODAY |
| 17:38.37 | grndslm | yesterday, it was like a 5 min. job... today it's been like 6 hours |
| 17:39.00 | pasiz | what if we wait tomorrow? |
| 17:39.04 | grndslm | maybe i had only gotten it to work in the reg. command line, tho, and not at boot. i dunno |
| 17:39.21 | jolt | I have something in my crontab with @reboot /my/script, and that script runs tmux etc |
| 17:39.21 | grndslm | no sleep til i figure it out! |
| 17:39.42 | grndslm | jolt. please dear jolt... share the good word! |
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| 17:39.51 | jolt | grndslm: tmux new -d -s mangosd 'cd /usr/local/bin ; ./mangosd -c /usr/local/etc/mangosd.conf |
| 17:39.54 | jolt | +' |
| 17:39.54 | zykotick9 | pasiz: "what if we wait tomorrow?" <- i just broke out in laughter, thanks! |
| 17:39.56 | jolt | in the script |
| 17:40.33 | pasiz | gives cup of coffee and shoehorn to grndslm |
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| 18:00.44 | TundraBear | Ð ow to understand that the FireWire adapter connected via the thunderbolt port was detected by the system? lspci doesn't show him but in sys/bus/thunderbolt/*/device_name i see him |
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| 18:04.23 | TundraBear | *How |
| 18:04.36 | TundraBear | Help me please |
| 18:08.06 | pasiz | TundraBear: lsmod | grep thund |
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| 18:09.30 | TundraBear | pasiz: I've got this: thunderbolt 151552 0 |
| 18:09.39 | TundraBear | what does it mean |
| 18:09.42 | TundraBear | ?] |
| 18:09.49 | pasiz | kernel module is loaded |
| 18:10.08 | unixbsd | hello, how to remove that stuff "su -" with /etc/default/su config file (PATH... thing)? |
| 18:10.09 | pasiz | it's completely normal that lspci doesn't show thunderbolt devices |
| 18:10.37 | pasiz | unixbsd: remove what stuff |
| 18:10.49 | unixbsd | the "su -" this minus is very ugly .... |
| 18:11.07 | unixbsd | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:11.36 | pasiz | make alias, so "su = su -" |
| 18:12.06 | pasiz | TundraBear: is the thunderbolt working |
| 18:12.32 | unixbsd | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:13.02 | TundraBear | pasiz, my sound card connected via firewire is not shown into system. aplay -l doesn't show it. But ffado have been installed. Thunderbolt is working. |
| 18:13.06 | unixbsd | the one that invented this should be pottering |
| 18:13.23 | unixbsd | ..paid by microsoft ;) |
| 18:13.47 | pasiz | unixbsd: who invented that minus sign is ugly |
| 18:14.57 | pasiz | TundraBear: is your sound card drivers loaded |
| 18:15.25 | unixbsd | wow ! this override works. I tried on bullseye arm64 on my raspberry pi, just run the following command: echo "ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes" >> /etc/default/su |
| 18:16.15 | TundraBear | pasiz: yes. ffado |
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| 18:18.26 | pasiz | and ffado regognises the card? |
| 18:19.04 | TundraBear | no. Could not communicate with the FFADO DBus service. |
| 18:19.54 | pasiz | could you give card specs |
| 18:20.12 | TundraBear | Echo AudioFire 4 |
| 18:20.33 | TundraBear | fully accepted by ffado |
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| 18:24.59 | pasiz | TundraBear: how old firmware is in the card |
| 18:25.17 | TundraBear | latest |
| 18:25.33 | pasiz | is the install new? |
| 18:26.20 | TundraBear | yes, new |
| 18:27.48 | pasiz | and firewire cable is changed |
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| 18:28.02 | pasiz | and the card is working on some other os |
| 18:28.19 | TundraBear | yes. working on windows |
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| 18:34.25 | pasiz | TundraBear: dell computer maybe? |
| 18:34.31 | TundraBear | Asus |
| 18:35.08 | TundraBear | I will ask people on linuxmusicians site. Cause my question is too specific. They have big experience in this theme. |
| 18:37.40 | TundraBear | Is my Thunderbolt to FireWire adapter working correctly on Debian? I have found the information in sys/bus/thunderbolt... Is it enough to be sure? |
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| 18:51.44 | pasiz | TundraBear: linuxmusicians would be the best place to ask |
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| 18:54.45 | thorsten` | my root partition is on a raid+luks+lvm. what do I have to install such that the initramfs can mount the root partiton? |
| 18:55.18 | thorsten` | (I have found cryptsetup-initramfs already and added cryptdevice=⦠to the kernel commandline) |
| 18:55.53 | quadrathoch2 | thorsten` raid as in? mdraid? |
| 18:56.03 | thorsten` | yes |
| 18:56.29 | quadrathoch2 | and where is your /boot? outside crypt or inside? |
| 18:56.37 | thorsten` | outside of course ;) |
| 18:56.48 | quadrathoch2 | just asking as you don't give us a lot of information |
| 18:57.30 | quadrathoch2 | btw the cryptdevice= thingy is not needed thorsten` |
| 18:57.43 | quadrathoch2 | so I guess it would be nice, if you could explain your issue better |
| 18:57.48 | thorsten` | oh ok, good to know! |
| 18:58.06 | quadrathoch2 | you just need to update your initramfs |
| 18:59.01 | thorsten` | I'm installing via debootstrap and haven't rebooted yet. My idea was to get all the necessary modules in initramfs to make the new system boot on the first try. |
| 18:59.43 | quadrathoch2 | as long as you have your esp outside mdraid, you should be fine |
| 19:00.02 | thorsten` | what is 'esp'? |
| 19:00.12 | quadrathoch2 | uefi boot? /boot/efi |
| 19:01.01 | thorsten` | yes, the efi boot partition is also outside of the luks :) |
| 19:01.10 | quadrathoch2 | outside of mdraid, not luks |
| 19:01.26 | thorsten` | yes, it's also outside the raid |
| 19:01.33 | quadrathoch2 | kk then you should be fine |
| 19:01.53 | thorsten` | ok, then let's try :) |
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| 19:05.26 | thorsten` | hm it seems I made a mistake regarding something earlier in the boot process.. though the efi-entry for debian is there, grub does not show up... so I need to fix that first and then I'll come back. Thanks so far! see you later |
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| 19:17.55 | alex11 | oh look - "chromium security update" |
| 19:18.07 | alex11 | chromium buster users: update your chromium |
| 19:19.34 | sney | pushed straight to stable, hmm, neat |
| 19:22.46 | zykotick9 | is surprised flash is still working |
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| 19:55.01 | disillusion | what is the the ufw command to deny traffic from one IP address on Debian 10? I'm using one but it's not working. I'm using "ufw deny from 123.123.123.123 to any" but the address is still communicating with my server. I have 123.123.123.0/24 allowed, which is somehow getting priority over the block, when a block is supposed to get priority over a subdomain. |
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| 19:57.21 | disillusion | In practical terms, all I'm trying to do is stop a child from spamming on my network, and I'm currently being laughed at by children for not knowing to how to stop them from spamming. Blocking one IP address with ufw is supposed to work. |
| 19:57.33 | sney | I haven't used ufw but typically, firewall rules are evaluated in order. so you probably need to change the priority of that rule. |
| 19:58.01 | tomreyn | i don't know your ufw answer either, but you may be mixing up the terms 'subdomain' and 'subnet' here. |
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| 19:58.40 | disillusion | I have 123.123.123.0/24 allowed on a port. I just want to block 123.123.123.5 while allowing the rest. |
| 19:59.22 | disillusion | so I have done "sudo ufw allow from 123.123.123.0/24 to any port 2000" |
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| 20:00.22 | tomreyn | sudo ufw status numbered may help you identify which is overruling which |
| 20:00.26 | disillusion | and then to block one address, "sudo ufw deny from 123.123.123.5 to any" and I've also tried "sudo ufw deny from 123.123.123.5 to any port 2000". Neither are working. The children are still laughing at my inability to stop them. |
| 20:00.43 | sney | again, it is probably matching your 'allow' rule and passing the packet, before the 'block' rule is even evaluated. quick google says you use 'ufw insert' to add a rule in the correct order |
| 20:01.10 | PaddyF_ | first match wins |
| 20:01.14 | tomreyn | and no, you most likely can't do that on the gui |
| 20:01.17 | sney | this is pretty fundamental firewall stuff. right now I'm with those children, haha |
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| 20:03.39 | PaddyF_ | i have 3 computers and none of them is a server. how could i manage that all 3 share their changes? :) |
| 20:03.56 | sney | changes? |
| 20:04.11 | PaddyF_ | yes, changes of the shared data |
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| 20:04.12 | disillusion | so which gets priority in ufw, the higher or lower numbers? |
| 20:04.16 | rander2 | hello |
| 20:04.37 | rander2 | happy new year |
| 20:04.46 | sney | disillusion: in most firewalls the lower numbers are evaluated first, but you should check the manual to be sure |
| 20:04.49 | PaddyF_ | rander2: likewise |
| 20:05.22 | rander2 | anyone know aws tesla ? is it expensive ? |
| 20:05.30 | disillusion | it's standard to allow a whole subnet first and then block individual addresses later, which means the higher numbers in ufw should over rule the lower numbers. |
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| 20:05.57 | sney | wrong. |
| 20:06.34 | sney | first match wins. if you have an explicit allow rule, and a packet matches that, it will be allowed and the rest of the rules will not be used for that packet |
| 20:08.35 | tomreyn | rander2: i think you want to /join ##aws |
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| 20:10.50 | rander2 | tomreyn why 2 ## on ##aws ? |
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| 20:13.35 | tomreyn | rander2: that's something #freenode can tell you about |
| 20:13.41 | abrotman | Unofficial channels |
| 20:14.02 | abrotman | AWS is a real product, but not officially affiliated with AWS, so ## |
| 20:14.17 | abrotman | erm . that didn't come out right, but you hopefully get the gist |
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| 20:22.57 | disillusion | so I'm using mumble-server for voice and text chat, which is what want to block specific users from spamming, and I have to restart the mumble server after setting the ufw rule. That's weird. I would expect that setting the firewall rule blocks the port right away, but it doesn't. Restarting mumble-server is what changes the firewall rule. I do also have to use "ufw insert" to give the "deny" higher priority. |
| 20:23.44 | sney | most firewalls also accept established connections, so that's probably what you're looking at there |
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| 20:26.23 | Pixel8edstudios | heya |
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| 20:27.10 | disillusion | sney, so does it depend on the particular service for whether or not a new firewall rule applies without restarting the service? |
| 20:27.46 | disillusion | as in, some services apply the new firewall rule while running while other services only apply the new firewall rule after the service is restarted? |
| 20:28.43 | disillusion | if so, I don't like this because it means I have to drop everyone from a group voice chat on mumble-server, though just for a few seconds, just to block one annoying user. |
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| 20:29.35 | sney | the service doesn't "apply" the firewall rule. this is still just your firewall evaluating its rules in order. your firewall must have a rule at an even lower priority to allow connections in the 'established' state |
| 20:29.58 | sney | (it's a pretty standard default and makes sense in most environments) |
| 20:30.32 | disillusion | I'm using default debian settings with ufw, then make some basic rules in the command line. Nothing complicated. |
| 20:30.53 | sney | so any packets from a connection that is already established will not have to be parsed by the firewall, reducing your overhead. |
| 20:32.54 | disillusion | I'm pretty sure I've tested this kind of thing a few years ago and was able to block individual IPs in real time. Though if things can vary from distro to distro, this can explain why I thought setting a deny for one address would block it in real time on Debian 10. I guess this is something that can change from distro to distro, version to version? |
| 20:33.48 | sney | broadly, defaults do change over time, this is why documentation exists |
| 20:34.06 | disillusion | lol and this why kid testing a system is always a good idea |
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| 20:34.33 | sney | debian buster did switch to the nf_tables kernel firewall module, and there were some low level syntax and compatibility changes, but that shouldn't be exposed through a frontend like ufw. |
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| 20:35.24 | sney | doesn't mumble-server have some kind of moderation plugin so you can boot problematic users directly? |
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| 20:39.46 | disillusion | I'll have to look into that. But if I have other services running for users to access, such as an apache server, I'll still need a method for blocking individual addresses from everything. So just blocking on mumble-server isn't always good enough. |
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| 20:42.18 | jhutchins | disillusion: Many services like Apache take an allow/deny configuration. |
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| 20:45.08 | disillusion | yes I know, but I can keep things simple by blocking one address from everything. I was just surprised to see that I blocked one address from everything and it was still getting access. |
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| 20:46.12 | disillusion | but I solved it now. The number order in ufw plus restarting a service makes the difference. |
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| 21:19.24 | Deyaa | KDE Vs gnome |
| 21:21.39 | abrotman | taco vs honda .. |
| 21:21.56 | tyzef | I was shy to.... |
| 21:22.48 | tyzef | Deyaa, please can you try it on this chanel : #debian-offtopic ! |
| 21:22.55 | abrotman | no, please don't |
| 21:23.13 | abrotman | There's no context to have an actual discussion |
| 21:23.31 | tyzef | yeah, right |
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| 21:24.00 | Deyaa | I just don't know which one to use |
| 21:24.09 | Deyaa | I thought you can help me |
| 21:24.11 | tyzef | use gnome then ! |
| 21:24.38 | abrotman | Deyaa: try them both, choose yourself .. We can't choose for you. |
| 21:24.50 | tyzef | later you can change, try on virtuals machins if you want |
| 21:25.15 | disillusion | Deyaa, gnome does Wayland, which can come in handy if there's something wrong with X11. But gnome3 can be annoying with the search bar to find apps, which is imitating Windows. KDE is heavier on the resources but has a more traditional way of doing things, and is prettier with more options. |
| 21:25.32 | Deyaa | I just tried gnome but it's kinda buffy |
| 21:25.39 | sney | !start a desktop war |
| 21:25.40 | dpkg | GNUStep: be different. |
| 21:26.00 | abrotman | Deyaa: so try KDE .. or try any of the other 50 WMs or DEs in Linux |
| 21:26.09 | tyzef | now KDE lighter than Gnome |
| 21:26.24 | abrotman | please stop, Deyaa should decide on their own |
| 21:26.34 | quadrathoch2 | disillusion i never heard (in the near past) that kde is heavier than gnome oO |
| 21:26.52 | abrotman | you can't possibly know their use cases or requirements or workload .. just have them go try them both |
| 21:26.59 | Deyaa | I want to know your opinions abrotman |
| 21:27.05 | abrotman | You won't |
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| 21:27.25 | abrotman | Deyaa: My opinion? Go use them both, come back in two weeks, let us know which you have chosen. |
| 21:27.30 | abrotman | Have a nice day |
| 21:27.36 | disillusion | well, I recently used gnome3 with Wayland so that could make a difference. But yeah I noticed that gnome3 is heavier than I expected it to be. |
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| 21:28.48 | disillusion | I tend to prefer something like MATE or XFCE because they're lighter than both gnome3 and KDE. |
| 21:29.36 | quadrathoch2 | disillusion honestly nowadays I don't care anymore, just use the DE you want, most pcs are fast enough for every DE |
| 21:30.20 | Deyaa | disillusion: I think KDE is cool |
| 21:30.54 | quadrathoch2 | you mean kool :) i see myself out :/ |
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| 21:32.01 | Deyaa | quadrathoch2: do you use KDE? |
| 21:32.15 | disillusion | Deyaa, I myself can work with any desktop environemnt. lol I just want it to not be buggy or too heavy for the computer I'm running it on. KDE has more visual and layout options, plus has its own suite of apps which work together well. |
| 21:32.21 | sney | the whole "lightweight" argument disappeared as soon as compositing window managers became the norm. your gui is hardware accelerated. KDE, once the king of "bloat", is lightning fast on my laptop from 2014 because the HD4000 is doing most of the heavy lifting |
| 21:32.56 | Deyaa | I'm actually converting from gnome because there is a problem with xterm integration |
| 21:33.10 | disillusion | Deyaa, one thing I like about KDE is being able to download themes from the settings window and apply them right away. |
| 21:34.44 | quadrathoch2 | Deyaa yes in certain usecases. but see for yourself. most of the time i stick to gnome, because it still has more polish |
| 21:35.34 | tyzef | Deyaa, the biggest chanel on Freenode is #KDE, 2067 users !!! |
| 21:35.59 | Deyaa | Thanks guys for your contributions |
| 21:36.15 | Deyaa | Happy new year ððð |
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| 21:48.40 | jhutchins | tyzef: I would guess that means a lot of kde is broken these days. |
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| 21:54.09 | tyzef | jhutchins, I was shy to say that... |
| 21:54.11 | bitdefect | Not a Debian specific question, still: How do you normally set up a service user? I have a user which only needs to run a cron job. I want a dedicated user so that the job runs with lower privileges. |
| 21:54.53 | bitdefect | Btw. happy new year :) |
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| 21:55.49 | abrotman | bitdefect: man adduser, there's a section about system users .. that may be what you want |
| 21:57.12 | bitdefect | abrotman: Yeah I know the various switches, but I typically then only end up with /bin/nologin, a UID from a different range and no home dir. |
| 21:57.39 | abrotman | and then cron doesn't work? |
| 21:58.19 | bitdefect | abrotman: At least I think you can not set up a cron job when the user has /bin/nologin as shell. |
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| 21:59.30 | abrotman | easy enough to change |
| 22:01.54 | bogus | what kind of cronjob? |
| 22:01.57 | bitdefect | abrotman: That's why I look for best practices. Easy enough to change, not secure at the same time. ;) |
| 22:02.28 | bitdefect | bogus: Simple stuff wich requires no home dir like sending wake-on-lan magic packets at a specific time. |
| 22:03.18 | bitdefect | abrotman: I mean, why give someone a login shell, if the user is not supposed to log in. |
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| 22:12.15 | abrotman | bitdefect: you can add /bin/nologin to /etc/shells, which will let them have cron (IIRC) |
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| 22:21.08 | jhutchins | bitdefect: How do users connect to your system? |
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| 22:33.56 | bitdefect | jhutchins: I guess you are asking because of SSH AllowUsers? |
| 22:34.12 | bitdefect | jhutchins: Currently the only provided services are SSH and Samba. |
| 22:34.41 | bitdefect | With AllowUsers I could restrict access, but I thought there would be cleaner method. |
| 22:34.54 | ax562 | Happy new years my Debian folks! |
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| 22:42.50 | joze | ist debian releases? |
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| 22:56.12 | jhutchins | bitdefect: The correct method to lock down SSH is to force a specific application (usually use for sftp). Samba will allow only the users you specify only the privileges you give them, but they can usually transfer and modify files. |
| 22:57.04 | jhutchins | bitdefect: I would also recommend that the public port for ssh be something other than 22 or 222. |
| 22:58.35 | jhutchins | bitdefect: Not sure exactly what you're trying to do, but you might also be interested in sshchroot. |
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| 22:59.39 | patti2 | Hi! Where can I change the temp directory dpkg uses for e.g. tzdata's debconf upgrade scripts? (currently /tmp/user/0/) |
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| 23:13.00 | jhutchins | patti2: Why? What are you really trying to do? |
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