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| 00:06.52 | oxek | I see debian 10 has 'lxc.apparmor.allow_nesting = 1' by default in /etc/lxc/default.conf. I'm only just starting with learning lxc, is there a good reason for me to keep nesting enabled or does that possibly break something? |
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| 01:05.29 | oxek | nevermind, I can't even get lxc to work in the first place |
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| 01:10.26 | quadrathoch2 | oxek what doesn't work? |
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| 01:10.44 | quadrathoch2 | and the nesting is on other distros most of the time disabled because of security reasons afair |
| 01:11.39 | oxek | https://0x0.st/-r5d.txt |
| 01:11.49 | oxek | when I try: lxc-create -t download -n test |
| 01:12.08 | oxek | it looks to be a known issue, fixed in bullseye |
| 01:12.18 | oxek | so gotta wait for bullseye to hit stable |
| 01:12.33 | oxek | apparently nobody runs lxc on debian stable... |
| 01:13.23 | abrotman | judd: versions lxc |
| 01:13.24 | judd | Package: lxc on amd64 -- jessie-security: 1:1.0.6-6+deb8u2; jessie: 1:1.0.6-6+deb8u6; stretch: 1:2.0.7-2+deb9u2; buster: 1:3.1.0+really3.0.3-8; bullseye: 1:4.0.4-6; sid: 1:4.0.5-2 |
| 01:13.35 | abrotman | oxek: you could try to backport it yourself |
| 01:13.56 | quadrathoch2 | ,checkbackport lxc |
| 01:14.26 | judd | Backporting package lxc in sidâbuster/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: debhelper-compat (= 13). |
| 01:14.36 | abrotman | LAME! |
| 01:15.31 | quadrathoch2 | so should be very doable |
| 01:15.40 | oxek | debhelper-compat can be ignored |
| 01:16.27 | oxek | trouble is that I wanted to create an lxc container to have a build environment for backports... |
| 01:16.36 | oxek | ironic |
| 01:16.52 | quadrathoch2 | xD |
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| 01:27.39 | patti2 | jhutchins: tmp is mounted with noexec and the scripts fail because of the missing permission |
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| 01:32.05 | oxek | /tmp really shouldn't be mounted noexec because so many things assume /tmp is executable |
| 01:32.20 | oxek | I know there are hardening guides that suggest it though |
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| 01:32.42 | oxek | in my experience it breaks more things, and the protection is minimal |
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| 02:18.51 | oxek | 'sysctl kernel.unprivileged_userns_clone=1' fixes my issue |
| 02:18.54 | oxek | I don't know why |
| 02:19.09 | oxek | and i don't know if I've done something bad by running that |
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| 02:26.43 | quadrathoch2 | oxek you didn't break anything, (debian mentions it rips open a few security measures, but debian is the only distro doing this) |
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| 02:29.37 | oxek | thank you for easing my worries |
| 02:30.07 | oxek | it was either this, or creating privileged containers that always run as root |
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| 02:43.44 | oxek | well, now I can at least create the container, but it still does not start |
| 02:43.48 | oxek | at least there's progress |
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| 03:09.13 | b1ackandwh1te_ | I sell my soul to the one that guide my in fixing my vsftpd |
| 03:09.45 | b1ackandwh1te_ | I cant connect but I did all the google can provide |
| 03:11.52 | b1ackandwh1te_ | what if I pay 0,00065 Bitcoin after the job? you have my word. Im old user here. |
| 03:15.53 | quadrathoch2 | i mean without giving any information, nobody _can_ help you |
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| 03:17.02 | b1ackandwh1te_ | the vsftpd is installed and configured, I allowed the port with ufw, but I cant connect with filezilla |
| 03:17.04 | clime | hello, is the alternatives system able to deal with shared libraries instead of programs?? |
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| 03:18.05 | b1ackandwh1te_ | quadrathoch2, ask for any information from my system. |
| 03:18.16 | sney | b1ackandwh1te_: ftp uses more than one port, so if you only allowed 1 port, that's probably the issue. |
| 03:18.26 | clime | i.e. what if one program (which is set as an alternative) requires one version of certain shared library and another program (set also as an alternative) requires another version of that same library |
| 03:18.43 | sney | typically this will be 21 for the command port and 20 for the data port, though check your vsftpd conf to be sure |
| 03:19.51 | quadrathoch2 | clime all packages in debian require most of the time the same lib. but there are also versioned libs (for example libdvdcss and libdvdcss2 (so both can be installed side by side) |
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| 03:20.25 | b1ackandwh1te_ | ufw allows port 20 and 21 |
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| 03:21.03 | sney | alright, turn off the firewall temporarily and see if it works, so you know where to focus |
| 03:21.06 | cybercrypto | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:21.13 | b1ackandwh1te_ | ok |
| 03:21.13 | clime | quadrathoch2: ye, i am not sure right now if the binaries reference always full names of shared libraries or just major-numbered name |
| 03:21.26 | oxek | b1ackandwh1te_: how did you enable ftp in ufw? Did you run 'ufw allow ftp' ? |
| 03:21.42 | clime | if full name, then there is no problem because the symbolic name will be probably only used for building stuff but not for execution... |
| 03:23.20 | sney | clime: see glx-diversions, which basically implements alternatives for libgl |
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| 03:24.03 | clime | sney: i am tyring it actually on CentOS so i probably can't try... |
| 03:24.29 | clime | glx-diversions package configures alternatives for the libgl library? |
| 03:24.40 | sney | https://packages.debian.org/buster/glx-diversions |
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| 03:25.29 | skyliner_369 | I'm looking into VS alternatives that I can use on... well you get the idea |
| 03:25.40 | clime | sney: ok, thanks that application makes sense |
| 03:25.40 | b1ackandwh1te_ | I disabled ufw, but still cant connect. oxek I did ufw allow 21 |
| 03:25.55 | clime | interesting |
| 03:26.10 | kline\0 | skyliner_369: VS? |
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| 03:26.50 | skyliner_369 | VS for visual studio. I know Linux has code but that's a kinda bad code editor at best |
| 03:27.09 | kline\0 | what language? |
| 03:27.14 | cybercrypto | b1ackandwh1te_: what do you see in the vsftpd logs? |
| 03:27.16 | magic_ninja | yea, I don't get all the hype for VS Code. I hate it |
| 03:27.18 | kline\0 | visual studio covers a lot |
| 03:27.34 | clime | so I can you can use on all: programs, libraries, man pages... that's quite cool |
| 03:27.53 | sney | do you want all of the general IDE features, or just a good code editor? |
| 03:28.22 | skyliner_369 | To the questions from you two... yes. |
| 03:28.46 | kline\0 | i didnt realise there was a yeslang |
| 03:29.10 | skyliner_369 | Yes just means all the languages lol |
| 03:29.15 | skyliner_369 | Amyway |
| 03:29.38 | kline\0 | linux users dont tend to use 10GB+ all-language IDEs |
| 03:29.50 | kline\0 | if you want a jack of all trades ide, there is eclipse |
| 03:29.56 | b1ackandwh1te_ | from log UFW BLOCK, but is disabled now and I still cant login. |
| 03:30.02 | kline\0 | if you want a consistent interface, look at jetbrains free offerings |
| 03:30.12 | skyliner_369 | Most important are C(++ & #) and Vulcan |
| 03:30.29 | magic_ninja | There is always visual studio in a VM |
| 03:30.33 | cybercrypto | dmesdg |
| 03:30.37 | kline\0 | try Jetbrains CLion (do they have a free version of that?) |
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| 03:32.08 | skyliner_369 | I know Vulcan isn't a language but I meant a good C family ide with good Vulcan tools |
| 03:32.36 | dvs | !start an editor war |
| 03:32.36 | dpkg | nvi is known to repel members of your preferred sex. |
| 03:33.29 | b1ackandwh1te_ | if anybody is up to help open a private chat I will give the user password and server, is easy 0,00065 Bitcoin |
| 03:34.06 | clime | so only soname shared lib names are stored in binaries (i.e. minor versions are omitted) |
| 03:34.20 | b1ackandwh1te_ | I bet for a professional system administrator is piece of cake |
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| 03:35.01 | clime | (according to SO) |
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| 03:40.20 | clime | did anyone tried to run debian with/on ostree? |
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| 03:40.47 | clime | *try |
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| 03:42.24 | skyliner_369 | so yeah my *first* goal is to draw a cube in Vulkan using a program written in C++ |
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| 04:05.49 | quadrathoch2 | oxek did you get everything running? |
| 04:06.02 | quadrathoch2 | with lxc? tried it out, but can't get dns working :( |
| 04:06.15 | oxek | quadrathoch2: still working on it |
| 04:06.28 | oxek | really looks like everyone runs lxc as root |
| 04:06.33 | quadrathoch2 | oxek what issue do you have? |
| 04:06.49 | quadrathoch2 | oxek yeah :/ can't get it also to run on user :( but it should be possible |
| 04:06.58 | oxek | I now get this: |
| 04:07.01 | oxek | lxc-start: test: lsm/apparmor.c: apparmor_prepare: 974 Cannot use generated profile: apparmor_parser not available |
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| 04:07.05 | oxek | even though I have apparmor |
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| 04:07.58 | quadrathoch2 | !test |
| 04:07.58 | dpkg | Test failed. |
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| 04:10.03 | oxek | I'm slowly working on it |
| 04:10.16 | oxek | all the lovely strace parsing... |
| 04:14.33 | quadrathoch2 | oxek i guess you are already further than I am, and additionally i am on bullseye :/ |
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| 04:18.39 | oxek | bullseye should work with no issues, it has lxc4 |
| 04:19.30 | quadrathoch2 | oxek doesn't work here :/ |
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| 04:20.38 | oxek | I know how you feel |
| 04:20.42 | oxek | we're not alone |
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| 04:26.06 | quadrathoch2 | oxek how far did you get? |
| 04:26.36 | quadrathoch2 | so now I can create lxcs but can't do anything with them :/ not even start |
| 04:30.38 | quadrathoch2 | hm, with virt-manager (the cheaty way) I can start containers, but can't use the internet. the instant i got internet (without dns) my internet doesn't work anymore on the host :( |
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| 04:32.32 | oxek | I wanted to avoid the cheaty way of virt-manager, because I need to use other tooling afterwards anyway |
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| 04:33.12 | oxek | I'm at the point of rereading all the guides again to see if I missed anything. Debian wiki, ubuntu servers article on lxc, linux containers homepage, archwiki, ... |
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| 04:36.22 | quadrathoch2 | oxek just wanted to make sure that it works at all ;) will be removed after I get it to working |
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| 04:47.28 | oxek | things work fine here if I run everything as root... but I don't want to do that |
| 04:52.41 | quadrathoch2 | yeah for me too |
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| 05:05.51 | quadrathoch2 | can I ask you what kind of error you get? oxek |
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| 08:26.57 | awal1 | a general question, not debian related: If I'm filling a form on a secured website but I stop what I'm doing before I finish all the steps , the information I gave (can be personal) are saved in the website? the website owner have access to it? |
| 08:27.51 | awal1 | i guess yes/it depends on I don't know what ... |
| 08:28.25 | aminvakil | not before you have pushed the send button (enter button) or whatever button it is to send the form |
| 08:28.27 | aminvakil | but |
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| 08:29.12 | aminvakil | but webpage could have a ajax function which sends data using javascript which is client-side to the server |
| 08:31.48 | awal1 | aminvakil, a simple example: you are creating an account in a government website and there is like 3 steps to finish creating your account. you pass the first step , clicking 'next', and you stop at the second step. what you put in te first step is saved? |
| 08:32.19 | awal1 | `that is the case i'm asking about |
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| 08:42.42 | tomreyn | awal1: depends on how the application is done. it is most likely transferred to the server that way. and especially government websites tend to store as much as they can. |
| 08:43.19 | tomreyn | but, as you said, not reall yon topic here |
| 08:43.30 | awal1 | :) |
| 08:44.25 | awal1 | aminvakil, tomreyn , thanks for your attention :) i have enough info from where i can start searching ;) thanks |
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| 09:34.47 | unixbsd | the lyx do require the file: lgrenc.def. Could it be added with apt-get ? |
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| 09:36.48 | unixbsd | I got with tex live extra and packge greek from texlive. |
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| 11:46.56 | ratrace | judd: checkbackport qemu-system-x86 |
| 11:47.00 | judd | Backporting package qemu-system-x86 in sidâbuster/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: debhelper-compat (= 12), meson (>> 0.55.3-1~), libcapstone-dev (>> 4.0.2~). |
| 11:48.53 | ratrace | I wants shiny qemu. suggestions? |
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| 11:53.49 | BCMM | ratrace: is there a specific feature or version number that constitutes shininess? |
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| 11:55.36 | ratrace | BCMM: 5.0+ |
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| 12:00.56 | ratrace | I'll try a sid debootstrap with nspawn, but I'm not sure one can do virt from a nspawn container |
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| 12:09.31 | strk | I'm having problems with termcap, how can I debug ? |
| 12:09.47 | strk | the problem I have: some console client show text like "M-b~BM-" |
| 12:09.49 | strk | text snippets |
| 12:10.13 | strk | here I'm using weechat which seem to be fine (includes colors) |
| 12:10.39 | strk | the one I'm having problems with is Mutt 1.12+9 |
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| 12:18.56 | strk | oh well, upgrading mutt fixed it |
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| 12:58.10 | nifker | What are the dev libs for ffmpeg called? |
| 13:02.28 | asymptotically | nifker: have a look at this page https://packages.debian.org/source/buster/ffmpeg |
| 13:02.37 | asymptotically | you have things like libavcodec-dev, libpostproc-dev, etc. |
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| 13:47.47 | Hobbes` | Does a package need to build for all architectures in Sid before it auto migrates into Bullseye? |
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| 13:48.21 | Hobbes` | Or do packages migrate architecture by architecture? |
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| 13:53.38 | ratrace | could be wrong, but I think it needs to build for all arches, I remember that because I used to be annoyed by the fact that a missing non-x86 build that maybe five people is using, would block x86 with 99%+ users |
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| 14:32.31 | dff | hi i followed the steps https://wiki.debian.org/LightDM#Enable_autologin to enable auto login for my user. however i get this error http://paste.debian.net/hidden/9eec1e40/ |
| 14:33.28 | dff | lightdm config http://paste.debian.net/hidden/8dc5f6c7/ |
| 14:33.41 | dff | do i need to create the autologin group and add my user too it? |
| 14:33.50 | dff | from what i read that only needed to be done on arch |
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| 14:35.52 | ratrace | dff: there's logs in /var/log/lightdm/ that could further explain the problem |
| 14:36.27 | ratrace | so far your first paste only shows that it failed to start because the process itself exited with a non-zero exit code |
| 14:37.25 | dff | ratrace: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/049786f8/ |
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| 14:38.25 | ratrace | seems like the options you used are unknown to lightdm |
| 14:38.53 | ratrace | also the greeter config seems to be off or missing |
| 14:39.23 | ratrace | can you please pastebin the output of dpkg -l | grep lightdm ? |
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| 14:43.20 | dff | ratrace: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/7280e7be/ |
| 14:43.35 | dff | i apt purged lightdm and installed again |
| 14:44.23 | dff | used/usr/share/lightdm/lightdm.conf.d/01_debian.conf as conf file as seems to be the default |
| 14:46.23 | ratrace | dff: but otherwise your lightdm normally starts with the gtk greeter? |
| 14:46.34 | ratrace | only when you try to fiddle with autologin options it fails? |
| 14:50.36 | dff | ratrace: all good now |
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| 14:51.33 | dff | first time around i deleted /usr/share/lightdm/lightdm.conf.d/01_debian.conf i edited /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf |
| 14:52.01 | dff | after the reinstall i just edited /usr/share/lightdm/lightdm.conf and all worked well |
| 14:52.23 | dff | thanks for your help |
| 14:53.08 | n4dir | i think usually you copy the config files from /usr/share to wherever you need it (either the hidden user configs or /etc) |
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| 14:54.18 | ratrace | dff: you shouldn't be editing files in /usr tho |
| 14:54.37 | dff | why not? |
| 14:54.47 | ratrace | your changes will be overwritten on next package update |
| 14:54.53 | dff | ah |
| 14:55.20 | dff | well, lightdm seems to want to use that config file as the first choice |
| 14:55.31 | n4dir | perhaps ratrace can confirm. I think it simply is the default procedure. |
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| 14:57.08 | dff | i moved the changes to /etc../lightdm.conf |
| 14:57.59 | dff | all good |
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| 14:58.13 | dff | works as intended now :D |
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| 15:01.46 | ratrace | n4dir: I don't know, but a common pattern would be to try paths in order, /etc before /usr/share/ where some default configs usually reside |
| 15:02.00 | ratrace | there's no lightdm.conf manpage to verify that |
| 15:02.14 | dff | linux can read and write to NTFS correct? |
| 15:02.18 | ratrace | and lightdm(1) only mentions /etc/ files |
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| 15:02.32 | ratrace | dff: via FUSE, yes, package ntfs3g |
| 15:02.41 | ratrace | ntfs-3g |
| 15:02.58 | dff | is there any filesystem that linux and windows both can read and write to natively? |
| 15:03.17 | ratrace | fat32 |
| 15:03.19 | wigums | ntfs |
| 15:03.23 | another | fat*, exfat |
| 15:03.32 | n4dir | ratrace: well, i hardly run in the problem. Usually i either get a config in home or /etc automatically, after starting the "app". The only exception, for me, is mocp (which i cp from /usr to home) |
| 15:03.42 | ratrace | and NTFS will be Soon(tm) if those kernel patches are finally accepted, by whatsitcalled company |
| 15:03.45 | n4dir | as in: i am not too sure, but always thought about it as said |
| 15:04.36 | n4dir | lightdm seems to be the source of many problems. You read about it 3 times a week ... |
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| 15:05.28 | dff | NTFS will do, my problem is i cant differentiate between the windows system disk and the newly formatted NTFS disk |
| 15:05.31 | dff | they are both 1 TB |
| 15:05.40 | dff | so both show as 1.0 TB Volume |
| 15:05.51 | ratrace | n4dir: maybe if one fiddles with it. I use lightdm, stock config, never had an issue |
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| 15:06.00 | n4dir | ratrace: i sure believe you |
| 15:06.13 | ratrace | dff: mount with ntfs3g and see the contents? |
| 15:06.18 | dff | how would i label them in a fashion both windows and debian till read and display properly? |
| 15:06.35 | dff | yeah but it's a 50/50 chance i mount the correct one |
| 15:06.37 | ratrace | (gpt) partitions can have labels |
| 15:07.00 | ratrace | then on linux mount via /dev/disk/by-partlabel/ |
| 15:08.27 | dff | thanks |
| 15:08.40 | dff | i added the label in gparted |
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| 15:57.32 | jhutchins | mpv doesn't have much of a user interface. |
| 15:58.02 | wsky | well, it has cli |
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| 16:02.14 | Tenkawa | jhutchins: so hey. gotta ask... you guys get many people wander over here asking about regular Debian (not Raspberry PI OS) on the PI in here nowadays? |
| 16:04.16 | jhutchins | Yeah, mostly regular Debian. |
| 16:04.45 | Tenkawa | but I mean for the PI though |
| 16:04.51 | jhutchins | Many trying to do something devious and ill advised, but sometimes just basic stuff that's easy. |
| 16:04.54 | Tenkawa | do you have many pi users come in here? |
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| 16:05.58 | jhutchins | Tenkawa: Yeah, we get some. Not a lot. The raspian folks we refer elsewhere, because that's not actually Debian, but we do see people who have installed/are installing straight Debian on a Pi. |
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| 16:06.35 | Tenkawa | yeah.. I'm one of those |
| 16:06.49 | Tenkawa | I'm running Debian 64 bit on everything |
| 16:07.39 | dob1 | after 2021-01-12 no packages can be added to bullseye? |
| 16:07.59 | Tenkawa | wow thats its cutoff eh? |
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| 16:09.00 | jhutchins | dob1: You're the first to mention it. |
| 16:09.21 | jhutchins | dob1: I haven't seen an official freeze yet. |
| 16:09.32 | n4dir | dob1: soft freeze, hard freeze, full freeze. You want more details? I don't know more. |
| 16:09.58 | n4dir | i just say: it slows down, until no more packages get in at all, not even many to sid |
| 16:10.11 | dob1 | "Transition and (build-)essentials Freeze" |
| 16:10.49 | dob1 | I read it here https://release.debian.org/bullseye/freeze_policy.html |
| 16:11.11 | jhutchins | !freeze |
| 16:11.11 | dpkg | The 'freeze' is when large changes to testing version of Debian are stopped for a few months. During this period, no new package uploads are made except to fix critical bugs or to provide documentation updates. During the freeze, bugs are squashed to 'stabilize' the release to make the new 'stable'. |
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| 16:20.52 | jennie | hello, i am running debian 10, i change brigthness settings as root but after reboot it goes to 100% brightness again :/ |
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| 16:23.34 | unixbsd | do you eventually know if there is a build of mednafen-server for linux debian? |
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| 16:29.37 | jhutchins | ,v mednafen |
| 16:29.38 | judd | Package: mednafen on amd64 -- jessie: 0.9.36.4-1; stretch: 0.9.41+dfsg-2+b1; buster: 1.22.1+dfsg-2~deb10u1; bullseye: 1.26.1+dfsg-1; sid: 1.26.1+dfsg-1 |
| 16:30.51 | jennie | how should i fix brightness to apply setting permanently? |
| 16:30.56 | unixbsd | you mean, that it does server as well? |
| 16:31.14 | jhutchins | jennie: What desktop are you using? |
| 16:31.24 | jhutchins | ,v mednafen-server |
| 16:31.25 | judd | No package named 'mednafen-server' was found in amd64. |
| 16:31.36 | Tenkawa | yeah I tried that first |
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| 16:31.47 | Tenkawa | that has to be done by hand still |
| 16:31.59 | Tenkawa | easy one to build |
| 16:32.05 | Tenkawa | x86 and arm bith |
| 16:32.08 | Tenkawa | er both |
| 16:32.34 | Tenkawa | but it would need a maintainer/packaging |
| 16:34.46 | jhutchins | !search |
| 16:34.46 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking, e.g. «apt-cache search regex», or with <aptitude search>. The following ways can locate packages that own a file (installed, or candidate for install): «dpkg -S /bin/foo», <apt-file>, <pdo> (online) and «/msg judd help file» (bot). <search dpkg> for factoids. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt and ask me about <bot help>. See also <axi-search> <debtags> <dlocate>. |
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| 16:39.16 | menace | which python will be the standard one in the next debian release? |
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| 16:45.05 | sney | menace: looks like it'll be 3.9 |
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| 16:48.36 | menace | sney, thanks. |
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| 18:28.03 | godane | so here is proof of my problem with overlay using 5.10.0-1-amd64 : https://i.imgur.com/TDg81C9.png |
| 18:28.48 | godane | the etc/hosts file came from the lowerdir |
| 18:28.58 | godane | but its un-editable in union |
| 18:29.31 | godane | you can add files but can't modified ANY files that are from lowerdir |
| 18:29.50 | godane | this started in kernel 5.9 |
| 18:30.09 | godane | i don't have a problem with kernel 5.8 using overlay |
| 18:31.08 | sney | godane: I see 5.10.0-1 is only in sid currently; testing/unstable support is in #debian-next on oftc (note, right now you are on freenode). |
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| 18:32.08 | sney | you may also want to check bugs.debian.org/linux to see if this issue has been reported or addressed already. |
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| 19:06.43 | tp43_ | anyone know server name for pidgin with sipe plugin. I tried proto SIMPLE and Office Communicator, but no idea what to put for server. I tried skype.com and also I googled and found a long url, but it didn't work either |
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| 19:16.53 | cluelessperson | I'm a little confused on something. If a machine is experiencing bottlenecks, how can I identify them? |
| 19:17.02 | cluelessperson | I don't think I'm seeing anything obvious via top/htop. |
| 19:17.08 | cluelessperson | ram cpu seem fine |
| 19:17.12 | cluelessperson | disk seems fine |
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| 19:17.22 | tp43_ | cluelessperson, then you do not have any bottle knecks. |
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| 19:17.49 | cluelessperson | tp43_, I was helping someone with a server and they seem to think they should be seeing more connections, and certain commands seem slow to respond. |
| 19:18.09 | cluelessperson | I think it's just from increased netio maybe, but I don't know how to tell if connections are being dropped? |
| 19:18.36 | tvm | connections ? what service ? how many workers ? checked the logs ? |
| 19:19.13 | tp43_ | they changed a lot with that stuff latelybut maybe netstat will still be the one. It will tell you all ports you are listening and I think even traffic, or there are other tools for monitoring traffic. |
| 19:19.42 | tp43_ | cluelessperson, dmesg |
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| 19:19.55 | ratrace | first step in troubleshooing is precisely, unambiguously defining the observed issue. |
| 19:20.02 | ratrace | "bottlenecks" doesn't mean anything |
| 19:20.23 | tp43_ | ratrace, he said commands are slow to return compared to the usual |
| 19:20.30 | ratrace | that also doesn't mean much |
| 19:20.33 | tvm | tp43_: "commands" is very vague |
| 19:20.50 | ratrace | what commands, what is the expected "time to return", what is observed time, .... |
| 19:21.04 | tp43_ | it is wierd that they are slow, and yet you do not see anything on top. |
| 19:21.18 | ratrace | thta's pure speculation tho |
| 19:21.41 | tp43_ | btw, I tried to do killall firefox-esr but the command is gone |
| 19:21.53 | tp43_ | did they change things, how do we killall now? |
| 19:22.07 | tvm | pkill ? |
| 19:22.16 | cluelessperson | tvm, nginx load balancing to several other instances. ~1300 connections, 1 worker it looks like nginx has by default. |
| 19:22.21 | cluelessperson | tvm, nothing in logs that seems obvious. |
| 19:22.25 | ratrace | what command is gone? /usr/bin/killall is present on my buster |
| 19:22.26 | tp43_ | When me computer goes slow, I will see firefox-esr going crazy and top of the top list |
| 19:22.55 | tp43_ | uname -what to see debian distro name |
| 19:23.00 | tvm | cluelessperson: your bottleneck can be your instances |
| 19:23.04 | wsky | there are also iotop and iftop |
| 19:23.04 | Gerowen | Is there an approved method of running custom commands for an unattended-upgrade reboot? I could obviously edit the Python file /etc/unattended-upgrades/unattended-upgrade-shutdown, but would like to avoid that if possible. Mainly I just want to run my own script to do things like notify Minecraft players before a reboot. |
| 19:23.10 | cluelessperson | tvm, how can I identify? |
| 19:23.12 | tp43_ | Yep, I have buster too, but no killall |
| 19:23.22 | cluelessperson | is trying to make sure he's clera on identifying netio bottlenecks. |
| 19:23.25 | tvm | cluelessperson: start with verbose nginx logging |
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| 19:23.47 | ratrace | tp43_: it's part of the psmisc package, maybe you don't have it installed |
| 19:24.06 | ratrace | hmm it seems on my machine it was pulled in by php |
| 19:24.10 | tp43_ | ratrace, thx, let me check. I just did full desktop with xfce install |
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| 19:25.07 | tp43_ | ratrace, I installed Web Server too. Anyway, I install that psmisc and now I got it. Thanks again my good man. |
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| 19:37.38 | cluelessperson | okay, I think that nginx defaults to a single worker_process and I think that may be the bottleneck here as a load balancer. |
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| 19:38.13 | ratrace | is the process at 100% cpu at all times? |
| 19:39.17 | cluelessperson | ratrace, looks like 6% |
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| 19:39.54 | ratrace | then I don't think it is. nginx' event base paradigm can serve really a LOT with single process alone |
| 19:40.10 | ratrace | based* |
| 19:40.17 | cluelessperson | ratrace, how many is a lot? these are currently ~1300 tcp streams |
| 19:40.39 | ratrace | it's a C10K server, it can easily handle 10 thousand concurrent connections, by its design alone |
| 19:40.40 | cluelessperson | ratrace, like, even sshing into the machine, running commands generally seems slow |
| 19:40.51 | cluelessperson | docker stat doesn't respond, but I think that's a bug. |
| 19:40.58 | cluelessperson | autocompletion is slow |
| 19:41.06 | ratrace | question is, of coruse, what those connections are doing, and one will sooner saturate the pps, or disk iops, before reaching the max nginx can do |
| 19:41.31 | cluelessperson | ratrace, yes, but how do I know what that max is and what's being slow or not? |
| 19:41.46 | cluelessperson | like, I don't understand what the capacity is or how to understand how much of that capacity is being used |
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| 19:41.58 | cluelessperson | that might be dynamic, but, t |
| 19:42.04 | cluelessperson | cpu 100% would be obvious |
| 19:42.09 | cluelessperson | no ram available would be obvious |
| 19:42.14 | ratrace | well if the process is not hogging the cpu at 100%, then it likely is not saturated there. as a load balancer, it probably doesn't serve files from disk? or does it? do you have iostats? |
| 19:43.29 | cluelessperson | ratrace, the instances it's load balancing for are likely hammering disk a bit. |
| 19:43.53 | ratrace | but those are separate machines |
| 19:44.28 | ratrace | you need to eliminate one by one to see where the problem might be; for each machine check cpu, io stats, and network stats like bandwidth utilized and more importantly packets per second |
| 19:44.52 | cluelessperson | ratrace, same machine, separate processes. |
| 19:45.35 | ratrace | what kind of set up is that? o.O load balancing is useful when you have multiple machines, not really for one machine |
| 19:46.17 | ratrace | or is it one of those situations where a web application can't handle itself in multiprocess environment, so you start it multiple times, and then "loadbalance" from nginx? |
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| 19:48.36 | tp43_ | I need unrar, can't find it |
| 19:48.42 | cluelessperson | ratrace, yes, the latter. |
| 19:49.15 | cluelessperson | ratrace, iotstat reports tps at ~55, I'm wondering if their disk is remote |
| 19:49.20 | ratrace | tp43_: there's both `unrar` and `unrar-free` packages |
| 19:49.42 | ratrace | cluelessperson: and what about bandwidth |
| 19:49.52 | ratrace | disk io bandwidth |
| 19:49.53 | cluelessperson | looks like the disk is local |
| 19:50.07 | tp43_ | ratrace, yeah, that is what I remember, but I can't find it. I have main contrib non-free in my sources |
| 19:50.20 | cluelessperson | ratrace, about 500kB/s read and write |
| 19:50.47 | ratrace | tp43_: `unrar-free` is in main |
| 19:50.50 | tp43_ | oh you know what, only me updates have contib non-free |
| 19:50.52 | ratrace | the other is in non-free |
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| 19:51.41 | tp43_ | ratrace, must be in contrib then, cause just anti-virus utilitywas coming up, libclamunrar |
| 19:51.58 | ratrace | cluelessperson: assuming sata disks that doesn't look nowhere near saturated |
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| 19:52.30 | ratrace | tp43_: `unrar-free` is in main |
| 19:52.57 | cluelessperson | ratrace, yeah, that's what I'm thinking. |
| 19:53.20 | ratrace | cluelessperson: is that a VM or a dedicated server? |
| 19:53.39 | tp43_ | ratrace, oh yeah, you know what I did, I commented it out, cause I thought it was duplicate. I mixed up buster and buster-updates. I thought they were duplicates. |
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| 20:00.10 | jhutchins | Is the primary use case for rar stll splitting pirated video files? |
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| 20:02.43 | rander2 | hello |
| 20:03.18 | rander2 | anyone here know cloud computing on https://vast.ai/ , and as set up hashcat there ? |
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| 20:05.41 | cluelessperson | ratrace, seems like a dedicated server. |
| 20:07.29 | cluelessperson | ratrace, as an example. running top/htop takes several seconds to ome up |
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| 20:09.57 | rander2 | ratrace ? |
| 20:10.06 | cluelessperson | rander2, they're a user. |
| 20:10.13 | cluelessperson | I'm talking to. :P |
| 20:10.30 | rander2 | ok, u are speaking to him |
| 20:10.40 | cluelessperson | yeah |
| 20:12.46 | ratrace | cluelessperson: and if you shut down nginx for a minute or few? |
| 20:13.05 | rander2 | cluelessperson , do u know a gpu cloude computing provider ? vast.ai , but it is low supported |
| 20:13.29 | cluelessperson | ratrace, I'd prefer not to. I'm not sure what that would buy me though. |
| 20:13.38 | cluelessperson | rander2, I'm not familiar with gpu cloud computing unfortunately. :) |
| 20:13.45 | cluelessperson | completely outside my skillset. |
| 20:13.57 | cluelessperson | I can probably run things you hand me eventually, but otherwise :D |
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| 20:16.49 | ratrace | cluelessperson: it'd allow you to test system responsiveness with one variable less in the equation. if you can't do it for say 10 seconds .... how do you do reboots for kernel upgrades? |
| 20:19.51 | cluelessperson | ratrace, kernel upgrades are often in place at this point I thought. but I'd rather identify the issue before doing things that may make it disappear. |
| 20:20.44 | ratrace | if the issue disappears when you turn off nginx, you'll have eliminated all else to be the cause of your problem (which then remains in either nginx or the processes it loadbalances to) |
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| 20:22.11 | cluelessperson | ratrace, I don't want to remove the load |
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| 20:24.30 | ratrace | cluelessperson: well then strace htop and see where it hangs |
| 20:24.56 | ratrace | or any other program that is perceived to be lagging on startup |
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| 20:31.34 | jhutchins | Isn't there a "blame" function on one of the systemd utils? |
| 20:32.22 | ratrace | thta's for boot. "startup" here is application startup, |
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| 20:35.17 | cluelessperson | ratrace, I'll try that. |
| 20:35.20 | cluelessperson | I'm just really confused. |
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| 20:35.44 | cluelessperson | not seeing any evidence of failures, just seems slightly more sluggish terminal under load |
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| 20:38.22 | solomomi | hey, How can I install vim 8.2 in Debian? |
| 20:38.34 | solomomi | According to the tracker the latest version is 8.2 (https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/vim), but when I'm trying to update & install I get only 8.1 |
| 20:38.37 | ratrace | cluelessperson: could also check if you have an irq storm, but that would also be visible in top with kernel threads. speaking of, did you check (h)top with kernel threads too? |
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| 20:38.50 | ratrace | ,v vim |
| 20:38.51 | judd | Package: vim on amd64 -- jessie: 2:7.4.488-7+deb8u3; jessie-security: 2:7.4.488-7+deb8u4; stretch: 2:8.0.0197-4+deb9u3; stretch-security: 2:8.0.0197-4+deb9u3; buster: 2:8.1.0875-5; bullseye: 2:8.2.1913-1+b2; sid: 2:8.2.1913-1+b2 |
| 20:38.59 | metbsd | need help with rfkill. I can't unblock it |
| 20:39.05 | metbsd | it's dv2000 old laptop |
| 20:39.08 | ratrace | solomomi: wiat for bullseye |
| 20:39.12 | ratrace | *wait |
| 20:39.21 | cluelessperson | netstat -i ip -s link statistics show no errors. |
| 20:40.01 | ratrace | cluelessperson: you should also have some kind of monitoring on that server, problems are easier to spot when you see values peak or correlate in various graphs |
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| 20:43.40 | solomomi | judd ratrace is this mean I can't upgrade to vim 8.2 till bullseye will be stable? |
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| 20:46.00 | ratrace | solomomi: right. or you can try to backport it |
| 20:46.08 | ratrace | judd: checkbackport vim |
| 20:46.26 | judd | Backporting package vim in sidâbuster/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: debhelper-compat (= 12). |
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| 20:46.55 | ratrace | yeah, no, will have to wait, or upgrade now (if you know what you're doing) to bullseye, if you really need vim 8.2 |
| 20:47.18 | metbsd | rfkill guys |
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| 20:48.20 | solomomi | hm.. I'm new to using linux as OS, I don't understand, did vim 8.2 break something from vim 8.1? like, why vim 8.2 isn't available for debian 9-11? |
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| 20:52.52 | alex11 | solomomi, because debian stable (which debian 9 isn't, but it was a former stable so the rule still applies) is fixed with mostly frozen packages |
| 20:53.01 | ratrace | solomomi: Debian is one of those distros that don't upgrade packages within a release. security fixes, and some critical bugfixes, are backported, but the version is tied to the release |
| 20:53.28 | ratrace | solomomi: some exceptions exist, like the kernel or chromium |
| 20:53.35 | jhutchins | solomomi: vim is pretty stable. Like most linux programs, it's constantly being tweaked and "improved". Vim has been fully functional for a LONG time. |
| 20:53.37 | alex11 | vlc is a big one |
| 20:54.16 | solomomi | I see... isn't it make it not useful as a day-to-day OS to work with? like I have to upgrade it to get new versions of my packages. |
| 20:54.35 | smurfke | on topic: I found a package (updated version) that is both in bullseye (testing) and sid (unstable). Is it possible to install the version of that package on my stable Debian 10.7 buster? |
| 20:54.42 | alex11 | solomomi, that depends on the user |
| 20:54.51 | alex11 | many users are just fine with an older base, not everyone desires new packages |
| 20:54.59 | alex11 | it's pretty trivial to get newer software if you need it |
| 20:55.12 | alex11 | just not by mixing packages from testing/sid or whatever; you can compile it, or use flatpak, or whatever |
| 20:55.14 | jhutchins | solomomi: Makes it very usable for a day-to-day tool. |
| 20:55.14 | smurfke | okay, but how to do it then? |
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| 20:55.17 | ratrace | solomomi: if you just want to upgrade for the upgrade sake, then Debian is not for you, no |
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| 20:55.42 | alex11 | a fixed system makes for a predictable system that doesn't change from under the user suddenly and without warning |
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| 20:55.56 | ratrace | smurfke: perhaps. which package? |
| 20:56.06 | alex11 | also, debian 10 has been out for a while, consider moving off from 9 |
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| 20:56.18 | solomomi | ratrace: I want to upgrade because one of my plugins (coc.nvim) isn't fully compatible with 8.1 |
| 20:56.20 | jhutchins | solomomi: Most software for regular use is mature enough that you don't need the latest greatest version. |
| 20:56.52 | smurfke | ratrace: rtorrent 0.9.8-1 |
| 20:57.24 | smurfke | I found it on this website: https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=rtorrent |
| 20:57.38 | smurfke | you can see that both bullseye and sid have the 0.9.8-1 version |
| 20:57.40 | jhutchins | !ssb |
| 20:57.41 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 20:58.02 | smurfke | jhutchins: thanks. It is not in backports so I'll follow the procedure. |
| 20:58.31 | sponix | ratrace: I already have rtorrent 0.9.8 built for buster and posted on my webserver if you want |
| 20:58.51 | jhutchins | solomomi: If a package isn't compatable across a single point version differernce, chances are that it isn't very mature or stable. |
| 20:59.03 | metbsd | my wifi is hard blocked |
| 20:59.07 | metbsd | what should i do |
| 20:59.08 | solomomi | Is testing is considered unstable? maybe i Just need use testing instead |
| 20:59.15 | sponix | ratrace: https://sponix.cf/Downloads/Debian/backports/rtorrent/ |
| 20:59.43 | smurfke | sponix: I asked about the latest rtorrent :) |
| 20:59.45 | smurfke | thanks! |
| 21:00.41 | solomomi | jhutchins this is one of vim's plugins |
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| 21:03.13 | jhutchins | solomomi: If it's only compatible with the latest release it's probably not very stable or mature. Is there an earlier version of the plugin you could use? |
| 21:03.56 | solomomi | Hm... they released it.. so it's probably mature enough.. |
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| 21:05.19 | solomomi | I understand the version lockdown to create reproducible environments for servers and such (although I'm using docker for that...) but as an OS, I'm not feeling I really need this version lockdowns... the covid gave me enough of it already// hehe |
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| 21:05.49 | solomomi | Can't I just tell debian I want version X? |
| 21:05.56 | ratrace | solomomi: then maybe look up a rolling release distro, or something with much shorter release cadence |
| 21:06.28 | ratrace | solomomi: you could try to backport it and work around versioning deficiencies |
| 21:06.32 | jhutchins | solomomi: No. That's not how it works, unless the developer made separate releases for different versions. |
| 21:07.01 | solomomi | I understand. maybe debian is not for me... are you guys using debian for your day-to-day work? |
| 21:07.08 | solomomi | loke for coding and such? |
| 21:07.12 | solomomi | like for coding and such? |
| 21:07.12 | ratrace | yup |
| 21:07.20 | jhutchins | solomomi: Remember, the open source community is all about testing the software and finding the bugs. There isn't much close, back-room testing, testing happens in the field. |
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| 21:07.53 | jhutchins | solomomi: I've used it for my home computing and some professional work for well over ten years now. |
| 21:08.49 | solomomi | jhutchins yeah.. but.. if vim publish a new version, I can't understand why someone can't install it... (again, I'm talking about a local machine.. not servers and such which I understand why) |
| 21:08.53 | jhutchins | solomomi: It also runs on my wife's computer, and supports her blog on our server. |
| 21:09.00 | sponix | smurfke: I have to warn, the configuration options between 0.9.6 0.9.7 and 0.9.8 are all a bit different |
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| 21:09.30 | solomomi | jhutchins doesn't it bother you that you can't upgrade to the latest versions, for features and such? |
| 21:09.48 | ratrace | solomomi: new version of software requires newer version of libraries etc down the dependency chain. in some cases it's impossible to upgrade a piece of software without upgrading too much of the rest of the system |
| 21:09.51 | jhutchins | solomomi: You can install it. Just compile it yourself. You'll mess up package management unless you integrate it with the alternatives system, but it's linux, you always have that option. |
| 21:09.56 | solomomi | ratrace any recommendation for such distribution? |
| 21:10.20 | ratrace | solomomi: ubuntu if you want debian based, fedora, gentoo, arch linux |
| 21:10.33 | ratrace | opensuse has tumbleweed edition too |
| 21:10.40 | jhutchins | solomomi: No, it doesn't bother me if there are newer versions, as long as the versions I have do what I need. |
| 21:11.05 | jhutchins | solomomi: I've worked with distributions that were constantly breaking essential things just to have the latest versions. |
| 21:11.07 | tvm | solomomi: that's just not Debian's philosophy, Debian is binary distro with slow release cycle and it's been like that for more than two decades |
| 21:11.37 | zutat | solomomi: maybe you could try fedora. you'll most likely get very recent versions of applications and probably experience too, why the most recent version isn't always the best choice :) |
| 21:12.16 | jhutchins | Experience is proportional to data destroyed. |
| 21:12.19 | ratrace | afk |
| 21:12.55 | solomomi | Hm.. this is tough.. |
| 21:13.07 | tvm | solomomi: devs put effort and time into making sure that the whole release works fine, then you put it onto your server and you can rely on it |
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| 21:13.36 | tvm | solomomi: other distros don't do that, things might break/crash, but you get new features |
| 21:13.41 | solomomi | tvm this is for my lcoal machine.. for servers I'm totally understand that.. |
| 21:13.45 | jhutchins | solomomi: Something you might try is having a stable distro like Debian as your day-to-day tool, and then use a dual-boot or chroot or container for bleeding edge development. |
| 21:13.51 | tvm | i use arch on my desktop for example |
| 21:13.51 | jhutchins | ,v bash |
| 21:13.52 | judd | Package: bash on amd64 -- jessie: 4.3-11+deb8u1; jessie-security: 4.3-11+deb8u2; stretch: 4.4-5; buster: 5.0-4; bullseye: 5.1-1; sid: 5.1-1 |
| 21:14.15 | tvm | and i get new kernel and systemd almost every day |
| 21:14.19 | sponix | there is a reason Nasa likes to use Debian |
| 21:14.25 | jhutchins | ,v vim |
| 21:14.27 | judd | Package: vim on amd64 -- jessie: 2:7.4.488-7+deb8u3; jessie-security: 2:7.4.488-7+deb8u4; stretch: 2:8.0.0197-4+deb9u3; stretch-security: 2:8.0.0197-4+deb9u3; buster: 2:8.1.0875-5; bullseye: 2:8.2.1913-1+b2; sid: 2:8.2.1913-1+b2 |
| 21:14.48 | solomomi | tvm I don't care very much about the distro code/versions.. but about the packages versions.. like vim.. |
| 21:14.58 | jhutchins | There' we have 8.2 |
| 21:15.01 | jhutchins | !ssb |
| 21:15.02 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 21:15.26 | tvm | solomomi: if you want new vim all the time, use distro that does that, Debian isn't that |
| 21:15.30 | jhutchins | solomomi: Backport it. |
| 21:15.48 | tvm | so, arch, gentoo, etc. |
| 21:16.03 | solomomi | Thanks guys! I'll check my options! you helped a lot! |
| 21:16.05 | tvm | you'll have new vim whenever it gets released. |
| 21:16.30 | velix | Hey, can anyone please have a look at libsfcgal and verify my discovery? The 1.3.9 release still has all symbols and internal versions set to 1.3.9 in bullseye and sid. It's readonly in upstream now, seems to die soon. But shouldn't we fix it in our packages? https://packages.debian.org/bullseye/libsfcgal-dev |
| 21:17.05 | zutat | solomomi: there might also be a vim snap. that would not mess the rest of your system (irreversibly) |
| 21:17.05 | jhutchins | !bug report |
| 21:17.06 | dpkg | reportbug is used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. See http://www.debian.org/Bugs/ http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s04#problem-report for some general information about using reportbug and/or for <debian-installer> bug reporting. Also ask me about <report-bugs>. http://wiki.debian.org/reportbug http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting, or <reportbug MTA> |
| 21:17.21 | velix | jhutchins: I know how to report a bug. I asked for anyone in here to verify it. |
| 21:17.32 | velix | jhutchins: Writing a debian bug report is like flying from Moon to Mars. |
| 21:17.38 | velix | same afford. |
| 21:17.50 | jhutchins | zutat: Simple Sid Backport is much better and more compatible. It won't be fighting the stable version. |
| 21:18.29 | zutat | jhutchins: nice. i don't like snaps either |
| 21:18.31 | jhutchins | velix: That's how you verify it, you report it and let other people check it. |
| 21:18.42 | velix | okay, I'll do it next month. Too much to do right now. |
| 21:19.05 | jhutchins | velix: I've never found but reports difficult, but I've been at this a while. |
| 21:19.31 | jhutchins | Average time to get a bug fix released in RHEL is about two years. |
| 21:22.50 | sponix | jhutchins: there are bugs in RHEL ? |
| 21:22.53 | sponix | lol |
| 21:24.05 | jhutchins | Yeah, we had one that completely knocked out NFS, which we relied on heavily. It was a simple search-order fix in nfsmount, we told them what the problem was, and it still took two years. |
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| 21:33.30 | sponix | jhutchins: I've never been a fan of anything rpm |
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| 21:34.57 | jhutchins | I would say I have been, but there are better things. |
| 21:36.22 | jhutchins | The database isn't very efficient, especially when wrapped in a GUI, but it has a lot of data in it, and for RHEL the distros have every package version ever in a release, so you can do rollbacks easily. |
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| 22:04.38 | smurfke | I just created a system unit that renders this error on ExecStop: Failed at step EXEC spawning /usr/bin/killall: No such file or directory |
| 22:04.51 | smurfke | is it normal for debian to not have "killall" binary by default? This is a fresh install of 10.7 Buster |
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| 22:07.57 | smurfke | I installed psmisc package because of it... |
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| 22:09.10 | taman | smurfke: "Priority: optional" answers your question, i.e. "yes". |
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| 22:14.34 | smurfke | taman thanks |
| 22:15.23 | _joey | which chipsets are well supported for wifi usb? is rtl8814au any good? |
| 22:16.40 | sponix | _joey: you should probably just get something from Alfa, Pluggable, or some other brand that actually list them as "Linux compatible" on Amazon or such |
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| 22:19.23 | _joey | alfa awus1900 comes with rtl8814au. Apparently, it is not pluggable. One needs to compile the driver from source, which hasn't been updated for around 2 years. Alfa is no longer a choice? Maybe TP-Link? |
| 22:23.45 | rander2 | how may I install automatically missing packet required in a C source compiling ? I mean after run ./configure |
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| 22:33.54 | smurfke | Hello, I created a system unit file which starts up /usr/bin/tmux rtorrent succesfully as systemctl status myservice.service returns "Active: active (exited) since ...". However ps aux | grep tmux OR ps aux | grep rtorrent does not return any results. Is this normal? |
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| 22:37.43 | smurfke | nevermind, it just isn't started... |
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| 22:43.51 | ratrace | smurfke: why uh.... would you want to start a _service_ that starts _tmux_ that what ... starts rtorrent? |
| 22:44.05 | ratrace | why not start rtorrent directly as a service? |
| 22:45.22 | smurfke | ratrace, you're right. I just changed it into ExecStart=/usr/bin/rtorrent -o import=/home/smurfke/rtorrent/rtorrent.rc |
| 22:45.43 | smurfke | alas the status reports "Active: active (exited)". However I do not see the process running at all. |
| 22:45.49 | smurfke | How could I go around debugging this problem? |
| 22:45.59 | ratrace | smurfke: what Type is your unit? |
| 22:46.13 | smurfke | System Unit |
| 22:46.18 | smurfke | Type=simple |
| 22:46.42 | ratrace | simple. well, in that case the rtorrent should not run daemonized. I have no idea what its options are, but check that. |
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| 22:46.59 | ratrace | Type=simple, the process should daemonize itself. Otherwise, if it does, and you can't override it, Type=forking |
| 22:47.09 | ratrace | should NOT daemonize, for Type=simple |
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| 22:50.26 | ratrace | smurfke: gtg, if you need moar systemd help, there's #systemd here on Freenode |
| 22:50.54 | smurfke | thanks ratrace! |
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| 23:13.22 | wsky | well, there iwll be no debian on this computer |
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| 23:13.42 | koldf | yo |
| 23:13.47 | koldf | can someone explain this |
| 23:13.52 | wsky | as i expected, turns out the amdgpu drivers are acting up |
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| 23:15.21 | koldf | /usr/lib/xorg/Xorg -nolisten tcp -auth /var/run/sddm/{53312312-6613-4c43-4323} -background none -noreset -displayfd 18 -seat seat0 vt1 |
| 23:15.33 | koldf | did this laptop get owned |
| 23:16.28 | sney | koldf: nope, sddm is your display manager. it provides the gui login prompt. the process entry for it on my system looks like that, too |
| 23:17.03 | sney | ,i sddm |
| 23:17.04 | judd | Package sddm (kde, optional) in buster/amd64: modern display manager for X11. Version: 0.18.0-1+deb10u1; Size: 626.8k; Installed: 1870k; Homepage: https://github.com/sddm/sddm; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/sddm |
| 23:18.07 | sney | wsky: with new hardware, there's always the possibility of checking again after a few months have passed. debian's cutting edge support is lacking unfortunately |
| 23:18.24 | koldf | sney: are you sure |
| 23:18.28 | koldf | it's using an absurd amount |
| 23:18.32 | koldf | of resources |
| 23:18.39 | koldf | neve rseen it before |
| 23:19.01 | wsky | sney: this isn't even cutting edge, it's a gpu from 2017 |
| 23:19.04 | sney | I am 100% sure that's what sddm is for, yes. |
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| 23:19.49 | sney | if it's using a lot of resources, you may have some other issue, though it's easy to misread memory use information on linux if you're not used to how it behaves |
| 23:19.56 | jhutchins | koldf: Or you could do the direct-from-AMD install. Purge the Debian files completely and follow AMD's instructions EXACTLY. |
| 23:20.12 | koldf | what |
| 23:20.17 | koldf | maybe you weren't trying to tlak 2 me |
| 23:20.23 | koldf | i don't have an md |
| 23:20.26 | jhutchins | koldf: I think I had to reboot ONCE extra to let dkms catch up with a new kernel. |
| 23:20.30 | koldf | what |
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| 23:20.35 | sney | jhutchins: you mean wsky :) |
| 23:20.39 | koldf | psure you're reffering to sm1 else |
| 23:20.54 | sney | definitely |
| 23:21.02 | koldf | so sney |
| 23:21.04 | koldf | are you sure |
| 23:21.08 | koldf | i didn't get rooted |
| 23:21.14 | jhutchins | koldf: Oops. |
| 23:21.16 | koldf | was freaking out for like an hour |
| 23:21.23 | koldf | because im running a debian that reached eol |
| 23:21.27 | jhutchins | wsky: See above to koldf |
| 23:21.28 | wsky | jhutchins: i did follow the instructions, i had the kernel modules running |
| 23:21.30 | sney | from my system just now: root 1801 3.3 2.2 680276 538868 tty7 Ssl+ 2020 198:33 /usr/lib/xorg/Xorg -nolisten tcp -auth /var/run/sddm/{5673a898-5e25-4fa9-af91-ed9e5cc0e26f} -background none -noreset -displayfd 17 -seat seat0 vt7 |
| 23:21.42 | koldf | oh well that's reasuring |
| 23:21.45 | koldf | because i opened an ad |
| 23:21.51 | koldf | yesterday on some streaming website |
| 23:21.54 | koldf | that was serving exploit ktis |
| 23:22.01 | koldf | and it legit opened some rgb settings thing for me |
| 23:22.07 | wsky | jhutchins: just the image wasn't fluently rendered, lock up every second then back to rendering |
| 23:22.09 | koldf | so i wasn't sure if anything happaned |
| 23:22.17 | koldf | and then i see this running for 22h |
| 23:22.44 | sney | I've never heard of an 0day exploiting sddm. I suppose it's not *completely* impossible but it's dang unlikely. you can install 'debsums' to see if the sddm binary has been modified, but in general, this is a normal service to have on a debian system |
| 23:22.55 | koldf | what's sddm |
| 23:23.01 | sney | ,i sddm |
| 23:23.04 | judd | Package sddm (kde, optional) in buster/amd64: modern display manager for X11. Version: 0.18.0-1+deb10u1; Size: 626.8k; Installed: 1870k; Homepage: https://github.com/sddm/sddm; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/sddm |
| 23:23.31 | sney | it's part of the KDE desktop. might be included with lxqt too, or can be used on its own. it manages your gui sessions under Xorg |
| 23:23.43 | koldf | ohh okay |
| 23:23.45 | koldf | thanks guy |
| 23:23.51 | koldf | you were of great help |
| 23:23.54 | sney | np |
| 23:23.54 | koldf | this was a wake up call |
| 23:23.58 | koldf | to update my EOL system |
| 23:24.00 | koldf | for sure |
| 23:24.03 | koldf | and get a new install |
| 23:25.44 | alex11 | i'm actively looking forward to upgrading to debian 11 |
| 23:25.52 | alex11 | new stuff :D |
| 23:27.22 | dvs | get the sns for alex11 |
| 23:27.45 | alex11 | sns? |
| 23:28.01 | dvs | !sns |
| 23:28.01 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
| 23:28.17 | alex11 | i mean when debian 11 releases as stable, not now |
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| 23:28.57 | dvs | !wwbr |
| 23:28.57 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, wwbr is now Debian "Bullseye" is the current testing branch as of 2019-07-06 and it will be released "when it's ready." |
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| 23:31.44 | alex11 | especially a new xfce, holy crap |
| 23:31.53 | alex11 | with 4.16 being released the buster xfce is aaaancient |
| 23:33.32 | sney | or specifically, it was considered stable in july of 2019 |
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| 23:39.03 | spacedust | i better start playing darts |
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| 23:46.20 | Kali_Yuga | Hello I've done a fresh install of debian. And I am trying to use wine but for some reason it won't start up? here is what POL tells me :( : https://www1.xup.in/exec/ximg.php?fid=11597724 |
| 23:48.26 | sney | debian doesn't have wine 4.20 staging, so we can't offer much specific support, but try running that binary directly and see if you get any more verbose error output |
| 23:49.34 | ratrace | sney: so it'll be ancient when bullseye releases :) |
| 23:49.45 | ratrace | Stalebian. |
| 23:50.03 | Kali_Yuga | sney: No this is with any wine version I download in POL |
| 23:50.37 | sney | ratrace: there are other distros that approach the stability:newness dilemma differently, feel free to use one of those if debian's doesn't suit you |
| 23:50.56 | ratrace | alraedy am :) |
| 23:50.59 | sney | Kali_Yuga: regardless, same advice: run wine without the frontend and see what happens |
| 23:52.06 | Kali_Yuga | PlayOnLinux > Configure > Wine > Configure Wine .. makes it crash after I downloaded that version |
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| 23:53.05 | Kali_Yuga | sney: well this kinda needs to work for me usually I need to be able to download mono and gecko packages but nothing comes up |
| 23:53.27 | sney | Kali_Yuga: see, the main error here is "no such file or directory". either it's not downloading wine properly, or there's something weird in the configuration, and we need to find out which one it is in order to proceed with troubleshooting |
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