| 00:00.53 | ratrace | huge amount that takes years to get used to and know what they do |
| 00:01.34 | incal | kernel hacking, disable everything? |
| 00:02.38 | ratrace | absolutely not |
| 00:04.33 | incal | where are the megaton modules then that slows it down? |
| 00:05.18 | ratrace | I never said that. I said megaton of modules you don't need, as _some_ also slow down the kernel |
| 00:05.31 | ratrace | the megaton is in device drivers section, you probably will never need 99% of them |
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| 00:06.05 | ratrace | disabling functionality, even if it also includes support for some modules, makes the kernel smaller and faster. the more that fits in L1, the better. |
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| 00:07.26 | ratrace | then there's protocols you'll never need in network options. then there's filesystems I'm sure you won't evern need like UFS or AMIGA. Macintosh three button mice emulation. nonsense like that |
| 00:08.00 | ratrace | by the default the kernel is built to support the widest range of situations. excellent for compatibility ,terrible for OCD and _somewhat_ for performance :) |
| 00:08.54 | ratrace | just don't _blindly_ disable things without understanding what they do, and keep a backup kernel+initramfs at all times to boot back into, if you bork something up |
| 00:10.00 | incal | right, I understand ... hm, but even Googling everything I don't understand will take ages, just so many options |
| 00:10.39 | ratrace | well that was anyway suggest as a "why stop there" after you removed all services for milisecond gains :) |
| 00:10.45 | ratrace | *suggested |
| 00:11.23 | incal | there is no script that like polls the hardware and then you can tell it --focus-on=performance or something |
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| 00:13.15 | ratrace | nope |
| 00:13.35 | ratrace | performance gains can come from unobvious places, sometimes counterintuitive |
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| 00:14.21 | incal | a there is on-line help! great, OK, then one should be able to figure most things out and the rest just leave at default value |
| 00:14.46 | n4dir | isn't there something like make oldmenuconfig or such. I recall something like that |
| 00:16.55 | incal | it is a pain to read tho, black on gray theme, maybe that can be configured... |
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| 00:19.15 | incal | make MENUCONFIG_COLOR=blackbg menuconfig |
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| 00:21.49 | incal | anyway thanks CU |
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| 00:24.41 | ratrace | n4dir: old*config would just take existing .config and prompt you for new items |
| 00:25.46 | ratrace | it's useful in that part which jhutchins mentioned: when a new kernel comes out, go back, jack, and do it again. so instead of going through _all_ items, you only go through new items |
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| 00:27.00 | n4dir | ratrace: thanks for the explanation. been ages. and i can't say i care much for it. defaults are fine for me |
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| 00:41.59 | incal | but even with the black background that UI drives me crazy, you can't edit it by hand in a huge Makefile or something, which has the default values? |
| 00:42.52 | incal | what happens if one just save w/o editing anything? does it produce a normal file, yes? |
| 00:43.34 | incal | but I don't know about this idea, will it really speed things up? for educational purposes interesting of course |
| 00:44.57 | ratrace | incal: copy /boot/config-$(uname -r) to /path/to/your/kernel/sources/.config and then edit that .config as you wish |
| 00:45.18 | ratrace | that copies your current running kernel's configuration, so you can have a starting point |
| 00:45.59 | incal | sweet |
| 00:47.19 | incal | 8643 lines :) |
| 00:49.01 | sponix | incal: you should edit them one by one with vi ;) |
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| 00:50.21 | incal | I use Emacs but yes |
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| 00:50.58 | incal | but where are the make menuconfig docstrings? |
| 00:52.12 | twb | incal: for linux? |
| 00:52.16 | twb | incal: **/Kconfig |
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| 00:54.05 | incal | the texts that appear when you hit Help in menuconfig that are associated with each option |
| 00:54.34 | incal | right found them |
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| 00:57.31 | incal | if I do 24 lines a day it will take less than a year |
| 00:58.41 | incal | zzz |
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| 01:49.03 | queip | any program to quickly scribble/draw on my X screen, like draw sine lines, markers that are visible as if on top of X, and a button to clear them? over entire display. |
| 01:51.07 | spork89 | id start searching for screen annotation tools |
| 01:51.15 | spork89 | i think thats what that might be called. |
| 01:51.19 | sney | inkscape can do drawings, I'm not sure of anything general that can do on-screen notations though. I wonder if there's a gnome or kde plugin for it, otherwise it might be possible to make inkscape's window transparent? |
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| 02:01.19 | jmcnaught | ,i gromit-mpx |
| 02:01.21 | judd | Package gromit-mpx (x11, optional) in buster/amd64: GTK+ based tool to make annotations on screen with multiple pointers. Version: 1.3-1; Size: 51.1k; Installed: 128k; Homepage: https://github.com/bk138/gromit-mpx |
| 02:06.18 | queip | if anyone is interested, the program is gromit-mpx |
| 02:06.29 | queip | jmcnaught: if you had highlighted me ;) |
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| 03:46.54 | mplsCorwin | o/ I'm working on installing sr.ht to VPS[0]. After adding the sr.ht repo I don't find the packages. I *think* I followed directions in terms of adding the repo into /etc/apt/sources.list but apt-get install sr.ht (or lists.sr.ht, etc) all tell me that various PHP packages are already up to date. Is it somewhat obvious what I might be doing wrong? tia [0]uname: 5.8.0-1-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 5.8.7-1 (2020-09-05) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 03:50.21 | sponix | mplsCorwin: what is "sr.ht" supposed to be ? |
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| 03:51.09 | quadrathoch2 | Sourcehut (kinda like GitHub gitlab) |
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| 03:52.17 | sponix | I don't recall seeing other package names with periods in them |
| 03:52.33 | sponix | mplsCorwin: where is the documentation you are attempting to follow along with ? |
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| 03:52.44 | mplsCorwin | I double checked within the package sources and that does seem to be how they are being called. One sec for links. |
| 03:53.17 | quadrathoch2 | I guess itâs outside of the deb repos |
| 03:53.36 | mplsCorwin | 1. install sourcehut: https://man.sr.ht/lists.sr.ht/installation.md 2. package repos for sourcehut: https://man.sr.ht/packages.md |
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| 03:55.51 | sponix | mplsCorwin: so you followed this -> https://man.sr.ht/packages.md#debian to add the repo ? |
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| 03:57.18 | sponix | mplsCorwin: after "apt update" try "apt-cache search list | grep sr.ht" and see if you get any hits |
| 03:57.29 | sponix | goes to snapshot a VM to tinker with this |
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| 03:58.36 | quadrathoch2 | mplsCorwin on which version of Debian are you trying this? |
| 03:58.58 | quadrathoch2 | Because it literally says, bullseye or sid |
| 03:59.08 | quadrathoch2 | Which would be the wrong channel then |
| 03:59.19 | mplsCorwin | oh, yeah. that would sort of 'splain it, eh? |
| 03:59.41 | quadrathoch2 | You would still find the packages |
| 03:59.51 | sponix | quadrathoch2: good catch |
| 03:59.53 | quadrathoch2 | but I fear for your system if you would install them |
| 04:00.27 | quadrathoch2 | Imho, spin up container/vm and try it out |
| 04:00.29 | sponix | quadrathoch2: OR, should at least try it in a VM 1st to see if it brows the rig up :) |
| 04:00.34 | sponix | exactly |
| 04:00.42 | mplsCorwin | I can afford to wreck the VM most likely if it comes to that, but probably I should align the OS version to the expectations of what I'm running, I assume. Is this an upgrade or downgrade from where I am? |
| 04:00.48 | quadrathoch2 | It will, there is a reason why it says so in the wiki ;) |
| 04:01.04 | quadrathoch2 | upgrade |
| 04:01.10 | quadrathoch2 | as bullseye is testing |
| 04:01.13 | sponix | mplsCorwin: Sid is "unstable" branch, so it is considered an upgrade |
| 04:01.24 | mplsCorwin | sweet, I'll work on that then. Thank you very much team #debian! |
| 04:01.51 | quadrathoch2 | Oh wait mplscorwin |
| 04:01.55 | mplsCorwin | (If I'm willing to blow up my VM I can't really complain about beta testing an unstable brach..) |
| 04:01.57 | mplsCorwin | I'm here.. |
| 04:02.02 | quadrathoch2 | on what version are you on Debian? |
| 04:02.19 | mplsCorwin | uname: 5.8.0-1-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 5.8.7-1 (2020-09-05) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 04:02.33 | GalzuFromQ | Woah, people. |
| 04:02.39 | quadrathoch2 | So it sounds like you _are_ on testing bullseye |
| 04:02.48 | quadrathoch2 | Except a very old kernel |
| 04:05.05 | mplsCorwin | I'm reading [0]; sounds like moving to sid should be simple enough, but do I want to deal with kernel upgrade first? |
| 04:06.03 | quadrathoch2 | mplsCorwin sounds like you donât know why you are on an older kernel, did you make sure you update your system on a certain time schedule? |
| 04:06.11 | twb | IMO yes because kernel upgrade is easy |
| 04:07.06 | mplsCorwin | twb: thanks quadrathoch2: tbh, not. this is a dev box that does pretty light duty, up until I get this sourcehut instance up, anyway. |
| 04:07.42 | mplsCorwin | Point is well taken RE needing to be agressive about updates after moving to unstable sid |
| 04:08.58 | twb | install unattended-upgrades and needsrestart |
| 04:09.11 | twb | That reduces the burden, but for sid (no security branch) probably needs tuning |
| 04:09.18 | quadrathoch2 | mplscowin, so first make sure on which version of Debian you are (would maybe make sense to use bullseye in comparison to sid) update to the most recent version (as 5.8 is eol) and then you can fiddle around. Make sure you have backups, as the wiki literally says itâs alpha software |
| 04:09.48 | quadrathoch2 | Or use vm ;) |
| 04:09.53 | quadrathoch2 | On bullseye |
| 04:10.38 | quadrathoch2 | And what twb says |
| 04:10.50 | mplsCorwin | swoons "thanks y'all" |
| 04:11.10 | sponix | quadrathoch2: would it be best to check his source.list for what repo lines he has to tell what debian he is actually on, or will /etc/lsb-release give a pretty good clue ? |
| 04:11.10 | quadrathoch2 | And btw next time |
| 04:11.15 | quadrathoch2 | !debian-next |
| 04:11.16 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also https://wiki.debian.org/IRC and https://wiki.debian.org/GettingHelpOnIrc |
| 04:11.36 | quadrathoch2 | sponix probably apt policy is easier |
| 04:11.52 | quadrathoch2 | Gives more clues |
| 04:13.19 | sponix | quadrathoch2: I am going to totally pretend like I knew that existed and say " of course, I was just about to say that " :) |
| 04:14.02 | quadrathoch2 | sponix hehe ;) |
| 04:14.45 | sponix | I'm not a Debian native. Been a filthy Ubuntu/Mint user most of the years |
| 04:15.01 | quadrathoch2 | eh, still same command ;) |
| 04:15.34 | wiscii | sponix: "filthy" is a bit harsh :( |
| 04:16.09 | sponix | quadrathoch2: most likely, but with Ubuntu/Mint you don't really even thing about branches, you are just on whatever the Ubuntu LTS core is for a couple years, living life blindly |
| 04:16.37 | sponix | And for my friends and family that is still fine. Thus why I still put Mint on their rigs :P |
| 04:16.47 | twb | sponix: those are 95% identical to Debian |
| 04:17.45 | sponix | twb: probably. I am still very new to a lot of these things, even though I've been running Linux for over 30 years :) |
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| 04:18.30 | sponix | LOVE having VMs to snapshot and screw with now though, lets me explore a lot more than I've ever been comfortable with before |
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| 04:19.56 | quadrathoch2 | yeah nowadays it's super easy to toy around with vms and containers :) |
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| 04:34.20 | mplsCorwin | I'm back. I seem to have picked #debian to express my cluelessness tonight, sry :) |
| 04:35.16 | twb | FSVO easy since most of the container solutions are pretty bad |
| 04:35.17 | mplsCorwin | I was able to install a new kernel and I see it in e.g. dpkg --get-selections|grep linux-image however it doesn't select it when I reboot. Is there a file based way vs trying to get in via proxmox to catch grub? |
| 04:35.56 | twb | The guy at RH in charge of making docker and systemd play nice together concluded that both upstreams were assholes, wouldn't budge, and ended up writing an entirely new layer of crap that sits between them |
| 04:36.49 | twb | systemd's containers suppot only xtables not nftables (Debian default), and support btrfs but not zfs |
| 04:37.03 | twb | and both of those are WONTFIX rather than patches welcome |
| 04:37.56 | quadrathoch2 | i assume zfs is not included because of license? |
| 04:38.11 | quadrathoch2 | mplsCorwin /etc/default/grub |
| 04:38.19 | twb | quadrathoch2: no because it's not in the mainline kernel. The license being the indirect reason |
| 04:38.24 | quadrathoch2 | after that update-grub |
| 04:38.33 | twb | quadrathoch2: of course nftables *is* in the kernel, and they wontfixed that because "someting better will come soon" |
| 04:38.36 | quadrathoch2 | twb that's what I meant |
| 04:39.17 | twb | quadrathoch2: there's no actual license conflict in having systemd-machinectl know how to fork /sbin/zfs instead of /sbin/btrfs |
| 04:39.29 | twb | like it's not linking |
| 04:39.45 | twb | mplsCorwin: re which kernel is booted... if you're using grub, kernel instlals should trigger "update-grub" hook which changes what kernels grub believs exist |
| 04:40.05 | quadrathoch2 | except when the default menu entry is different |
| 04:40.06 | twb | mplsCorwin: refind will enumerate kernels at boot time and defaults to whichever has the highest mtime |
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| 04:46.25 | wiscii | what comes after nftables ? |
| 04:46.39 | twb | eBPF |
| 04:47.11 | twb | nftables actually uses its own cracksmoke stuff for now because it predates eBPF (which still isn't really usable for linux pf AIUI) |
| 04:47.28 | twb | pretty ironic huh, the packet filter can't filter packets, only things like syscalls |
| 04:47.55 | wiscii | is reading now, thanks! |
| 04:47.57 | twb | of course that "own cracksmoke stuff" is no worse than wireguard, which systemd *does* support *really* well |
| 04:48.07 | mplsCorwin | twb: thanks. I have 5.8 from uname -r and seem to have also 4.19 |
| 04:48.25 | twb | mplsCorwin: 4.19 = stable default kernel |
| 04:48.37 | mplsCorwin | I was thinking to start with that :) |
| 04:49.30 | mplsCorwin | Clarifying: I'm assuming that is the right one to upgrade to; I think that's the one I just pulled down. |
| 04:49.34 | sponix | I'm on 5.4 - not really sure why though, my hardware is all 2015, nothing I have needs anything past probably kernel 4.9 |
| 04:51.23 | quadrathoch2 | mplsCorwin so are you on stable/buster/10? because that kernel is not from backports |
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| 04:52.04 | wiscii | is eBPF something that google AI came up with or did humans do that ? |
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| 04:52.38 | mplsCorwin | well. I'm good and confused now. I feel like I should go read something. |
| 04:52.58 | quadrathoch2 | mplsCorwin could you paste your output of apt policy to paste.debian.net |
| 04:53.14 | quadrathoch2 | and apt policy linux-image-amd64 |
| 04:55.03 | mplsCorwin | absolutely, ty: https://paste.debian.net/1179768/ |
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| 04:57.29 | quadrathoch2 | uhh that's not good mplsCorwin |
| 04:57.38 | quadrathoch2 | so you have a frankendebian |
| 04:58.09 | mplsCorwin | I swear to you I am read to burn it to the ground right now. guide m :) |
| 04:58.28 | quadrathoch2 | mplsCorwin the issue is, how good are your backups? |
| 04:58.37 | quadrathoch2 | because I assume you want to stay on buster |
| 04:58.40 | mplsCorwin | This is a dev server and doesn't have any original data except two scripts that I'm grabbing fresh copies of now. |
| 04:59.11 | mplsCorwin | I don't have any version affinity. The last distro I picked expertly was slack in '98 or something. |
| 04:59.16 | quadrathoch2 | great, because honestly, the easiest way to get to a normal install again, is pave and reinstall |
| 04:59.28 | quadrathoch2 | mplsCorwin i assume your dev machine still wants to be stable ;) |
| 04:59.46 | quadrathoch2 | and on top of mysql-tools is only available for buster (as the newest distro) |
| 05:00.18 | quadrathoch2 | mplsCorwin i am not sure why you want to have the new kernel, but if you really want one, get the one from buster-backports |
| 05:00.24 | quadrathoch2 | !buster backports |
| 05:00.24 | dpkg | Some packages intended for Bullseye (Debian 11) but recompiled for use with Buster (Debian 10) can be found in the buster-backports repository. See http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ . Ask me about <bdo>, <backports>. |
| 05:00.45 | mplsCorwin | I can't really argue - I won't have a lot of patience for fixing it if it is falling over daily. But tbh I could bring it up when I actually need it if I really had to. I'd miss my discord-irc instance :) |
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| 05:01.22 | mplsCorwin | I'm not married to a kernel change; what I'd like to do is to have a version onto which I can install sr.ht. If *that* gets stable it will change how I treat the device. |
| 05:01.32 | quadrathoch2 | mplsCorwin the problem is, even if we fix it today, you could still face issues later |
| 05:02.19 | mplsCorwin | I can live with "live and learn" if there aren't obvious problems I'm begging to run into that are obviously above my present level of edu |
| 05:02.19 | quadrathoch2 | mplsCorwin with sr.ht just install it in a vm/container. so you can have a usable host, and then the sr.ht stuff in a rather "unstable" vm |
| 05:02.45 | quadrathoch2 | mplsCorwin you could also go directly to bullseye, you would probably loose your mysql stuff and (maybe) chrome no idea |
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| 05:04.24 | mplsCorwin | this has apache2 with code I have in vc, my own project which has vc, my discord-irc instance and it's keep-alive script (no vc, oops), and to large video files I still have locally. Here's my plan.. |
| 05:05.04 | mplsCorwin | first, I'll learn about care and feeding of sr.ht in a container, so learning something about ducker, I guess. |
| 05:05.24 | mplsCorwin | once that's stable I think I might like to move it closer to the metal. |
| 05:06.15 | mplsCorwin | so, for now I'll stop while I've not yet broken the VM and work on learning docker. if that all sounds reasonable then... thanks once again for all the help! |
| 05:06.20 | quadrathoch2 | mplsCorwin sounds the way to go ;). so reinstall buster (maybe get a newer kernel oO? depends on your hardware probably) and then we can bring you up for vm/containers, so you can fiddle with that |
| 05:06.51 | quadrathoch2 | because with your system right now, you don't know when exactly it will blow up |
| 05:08.26 | mplsCorwin | OK. I'm really quite grateful over here! Have a wonderful $localtime |
| 05:08.37 | quadrathoch2 | it's only 6am xD |
| 05:09.07 | mplsCorwin | 2300 here |
| 05:09.34 | quadrathoch2 | hehe :) |
| 05:10.03 | quadrathoch2 | mplsCorwin if you want I can guide you through (but I guess not today if I see your $localtime) |
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| 05:11.11 | mplsCorwin | Naw, I have five kids a ft 9-5. this is the best part of my day, if you are game, I'm game. |
| 05:11.29 | quadrathoch2 | hehe k ;) |
| 05:11.33 | mplsCorwin | I could even start a jitsi if others want to follow along with my screen or whtv |
| 05:12.01 | quadrathoch2 | as long as you know what you are doing, text is always nicer ;) |
| 05:12.20 | quadrathoch2 | you know I can walk away from the pc still following you on irc on my phone for example |
| 05:12.49 | mplsCorwin | I *often* know when I don't know what I'm doing, is what I can say. That's lovely. I set that up via revolution recently but haven't used it much. |
| 05:12.54 | oxek | is the package bridge-utils depracated in favor of iproute2? |
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| 05:15.26 | quadrathoch2 | not that I know of, as upstream is still active oxek |
| 05:16.37 | oxek | I ask because the manpage of brctl says in the NOTES section that "brctl(8) is obsolete." but can't find info online |
| 05:16.49 | oxek | and it is still recommended by the lxc package |
| 05:16.51 | twb | "bridge" replaced "brctl" |
| 05:17.14 | quadrathoch2 | so it's literally only the command? |
| 05:17.32 | twb | AFAIK bridge is part of iproute2 package and that is actively maintained |
| 05:17.43 | twb | whereas brctl and ifconfig are from... somethign else |
| 05:17.44 | oxek | as far as I can tell, bridge-utils contains only the brctl binary |
| 05:17.54 | oxek | ifconfig is net-tools |
| 05:18.00 | oxek | and that one is definitely deprecated |
| 05:18.15 | quadrathoch2 | ahh https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/shemminger/bridge-utils.git/commit/?h=main |
| 05:18.36 | quadrathoch2 | oxek funnily somebody took over after it was deprecated |
| 05:18.44 | twb | If I had to guess I'd say that everyone was sick of ifconfig, but not nearly as sick of brctl |
| 05:18.52 | twb | So there is less push to chuck it |
| 05:19.36 | twb | I haven't actually used bridge/brctl except for queries for a LONG time because systemd-networkd handles the setup |
| 05:20.15 | oxek | ok thanks. I'm only just starting with lxc and bridging, so I'll try to make do without bridge-utils |
| 05:20.51 | twb | I haven't touched lxc since 2012 either :-) |
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| 05:22.15 | twb | If you have fully bought into the systemd ecosystem, I suggest you try out systemd's native LXC/docker equivalent, machinectl + systemd-nspawn |
| 05:22.48 | twb | That has nicer integration with the rest of systemd, e.g. automatically forwarding logs around, start/stop dependencies |
| 05:23.16 | oxek | possibly, but my current usecase of lxc is to use it to run a debian container on an openwrt router which does not have systemd |
| 05:23.28 | twb | Fair enough |
| 05:23.44 | twb | You do indeed lose most of the benefits if either the host or guest is non-systemd |
| 05:23.54 | oxek | exactly |
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| 05:27.40 | quadrathoch2 | mplsCorwin so whats your status |
| 05:28.06 | mplsCorwin | ready and watinng |
| 05:28.52 | mplsCorwin | quadrathoch2: My dad likes to say "I'm ready to ride at a moment's notice, actively attempting NOT to be surprised." |
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| 05:30.09 | quadrathoch2 | mplsCorwin oh, I thought you were preparing your system to get wiped |
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| 05:30.29 | quadrathoch2 | I guess you can go ahead and install your debian (i assume with a gui? as you had before) |
| 05:31.12 | mplsCorwin | I'm pretty much command line only. Maybe we should talk about the topography and status a little bit before we dig in. |
| 05:31.56 | mplsCorwin | I'm working on a VM in a data-center in chicago, about 8rs away. I do have access to the hypervisor which supplies a GUI, I believe. |
| 05:33.41 | quadrathoch2 | mplsCorwin even easier, I was just assuming, as you had chrome installed on that system |
| 05:34.11 | mplsCorwin | We played around with accessing it via VNC but afaik nobody has been for sometime. |
| 05:34.18 | mplsCorwin | The VM is provided by fosshost but they (we, in fact, as I'm front desk volunteer) are very hands off. This was assigned for a project I'm working on, but I'm the only person who depends on it for anything currently. |
| 05:35.30 | quadrathoch2 | mplsCorwin sounds like you really want to go the route of stable lean host system and then move your stuff onto vms/containers |
| 05:35.50 | mplsCorwin | That does make a great deal of sense. |
| 05:36.10 | mplsCorwin | I think I will assume you are correct until I think I know something you don't ;) |
| 05:36.40 | quadrathoch2 | hehe ;) let's find out :P am myself about 20 yrs into linux |
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| 05:37.43 | quadrathoch2 | but only effectively 10ish full time |
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| 05:39.27 | quadrathoch2 | mplsCorwin so anything special of a usecase? |
| 05:39.48 | mplsCorwin | "I used to be with it, but then they change what it was ..." etc. :) |
| 05:40.08 | mplsCorwin | well. I can talk about my project and what we're planning to use the server for.. |
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| 05:41.04 | quadrathoch2 | eh as said earlier, that's for you to fiddle around with containers later on ;) you want to have not alot on the host itself, as it would take down a lot more, than just the 1 container doing 1 thing |
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| 05:42.05 | mplsCorwin | Naw, a pretty base system ready for containers is all I need. I can handle installing things from there. |
| 05:43.16 | mplsCorwin | Given I understand your point correctly.. that it could take you some time (and patience) if you have to try understanding all that we will do with the server and rethink our plans in detail :) |
| 05:43.51 | mplsCorwin | In general the server will use a bunch of network, a bit of disk and not very much compute. occasionally we'll chug compute. |
| 05:44.27 | quadrathoch2 | Ahh, so relatively easy ^^ |
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| 05:55.33 | quadrathoch2 | mplsCorwin so are we talking about a vm btw, just dawned me ;) |
| 05:56.23 | mplsCorwin | Yeah, I think of it as a VPC but the difference is a bit fuzzy. The hypervisor is supporting four VMs, I think. |
| 05:57.13 | quadrathoch2 | vpc = vps? |
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| 05:58.01 | mplsCorwin | yes, damn it. |
| 05:58.47 | quadrathoch2 | so how far are we? or do you still need the iso image? |
| 05:58.48 | mplsCorwin | I actually can describe the difference between a VPS and a VPC; that was a typo. Where'd I'd be stuck is drawing a line between VPS and "remote VM" |
| 05:59.05 | mplsCorwin | ISO image. gotcha. |
| 06:00.02 | quadrathoch2 | !buster images |
| 06:00.13 | quadrathoch2 | judd: kick |
| 06:00.52 | quadrathoch2 | i assume you know where to get that file mplsCorwin ;) |
| 06:01.01 | mplsCorwin | I'm looking at: https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-cd/debian-10.7.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 06:01.16 | quadrathoch2 | yep sounds good |
| 06:01.49 | quadrathoch2 | sadly I can't walk you through the mounting of that img. as I don't know how it is setup at your host |
| 06:07.43 | mplsCorwin | lol, I reached out to a FH engineer I work with a bit to ask about that and was it was gently suggested it's fine to let them do this for me. Maybe I should go for that for the base VM and do my learning in a container. |
| 06:08.46 | quadrathoch2 | yup :) |
| 06:09.28 | quadrathoch2 | sounds about right |
| 06:10.42 | mplsCorwin | thank you muchly, kind stranger. I shall report back! |
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| 06:32.06 | Maris-XP | Hello, so I am trying to make a more verbose boot. At the GRUB screen, I can edit the config then boot. After removing "quiet" from one of the lines I get the full dmesg and systemd log (what I want). I can see the corresponding line in /boot/grub/grub.cfg (linux /boot/vmlinuz... root=UUID=... ro quiet). What options must I change in /etc/grub.d/ and /etc/default/grub for this to change. (As I am |
| 06:32.12 | Maris-XP | told: DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE). |
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| 06:33.03 | quadrathoch2 | Maris-XP edit /etc/default/grub only, with removing quiet |
| 06:33.19 | quadrathoch2 | after that update-grub |
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| 06:36.46 | Maris-XP | Well the VM I was testing on, does not have quiet in /etc/default/grub, yet after running update-grub it still persists. (Though on my desktop, where it matters, it has quiet). I wont stuff anything up removing it will I? |
| 06:37.38 | quadrathoch2 | nope, even if it would do something, just edit the boot line again in grub, after booting you could add it again |
| 06:37.47 | quadrathoch2 | Maris-XP but really weird why it's not on your vm |
| 06:37.58 | quadrathoch2 | it's there by default |
| 06:38.29 | Maris-XP | To be fair I have stuffed around already trying to do this, but when it isn't there, I still get quiet boot in the grub.cfg |
| 06:39.28 | quadrathoch2 | Maris-XP are you sure you update-grub "ed" |
| 06:39.33 | quadrathoch2 | without "ed" oops |
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| 06:41.16 | Maris-XP | By simply running "update-grub"? Yes, it even has output and whatnot, which all looks fine to me. |
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| 06:45.03 | quadrathoch2 | Maris-XP could you paste the /etc/default/grub file to paste.debian.net and give the link? |
| 06:45.25 | Maris-XP | Hold on rejoining irc on another computer |
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| 06:46.46 | Maris-XP | quadrathoch2: Paste my /etc/default/grub to paste.debian.net did you say? |
| 06:47.09 | quadrathoch2 | yeah, to see how your file looks like |
| 06:47.58 | twb | Maris-XP: you may find "apt install pastebinit" helpful |
| 06:49.24 | twb | Maris-XP: did you say in a VM, you edited /etc/default/grub, ran "sudo update-grub", then "sudo reboot", and after reboot the VM shows "quiet" in /proc/cmdline still? |
| 06:49.54 | twb | Maris-XP: if so, the VM stack might be doing something odd. |
| 06:51.31 | Maris-XP | twb: Yes, that is correct. Just plain old qemu/kvm. |
| 06:52.07 | twb | Maris-XP: OK. If you installed this VM yourself the normal way (debian-installer), it's unlikely to be "weird" |
| 06:52.59 | Maris-XP | Well removing that makes boot on my desktop verbose (like slackware!) which is nice. Would you still like me to post the weirdly behaving VM /etc/default/grub? |
| 06:53.07 | twb | First thing I could check is whether /boot/grub/grub.cfg is actually updating when you run update-grub |
| 06:53.17 | twb | Maris-XP: yes |
| 06:53.30 | twb | Maris-XP: the process you followed SHOULD have worked |
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| 06:58.54 | Maris-XP | twb: (and quadrathoch2) paste.debian.net/1179770 |
| 06:59.54 | twb | Grarph gopher://paste.debian.net/1179770 didn't work |
| 07:00.21 | quadrathoch2 | Maris-XP could you post also the content of /boot/grub/grub.cfg ? |
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| 07:05.16 | Maris-XP | twb: quadrathoch2: It might be completely stuffed up (I can't remember but I may've compiled a bunch of kernels on it). Here it is: http://paste.debian.net/1179771 |
| 07:06.13 | twb | Maris-XP: when you removed "quiet" did you remove the entire line, or just the word "quiet" ? |
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| 07:06.41 | Maris-XP | Just quiet |
| 07:06.46 | twb | I'm stumped then |
| 07:07.59 | quadrathoch2 | weird ... it should have worked |
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| 07:12.05 | Maris-XP | I agree. Ghosts within my /boot/ directory is the only plausible conclusion. Anyway it doesn't really matter, its just a test vm that I've tortured (and dist-upgrad'ed from 10.3 but to 10.7 slowly) |
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| 08:14.04 | mplsCorwin | I can haz 4.19! https://bru.st/i/chrome_pthlmt687w.png |
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| 08:17.57 | quadrathoch2 | Sounds great mplacorwin |
| 08:18.03 | quadrathoch2 | Argh |
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| 08:27.29 | mplsCorwin | :) |
| 08:28.04 | quadrathoch2 | So if you want to look into docker, install docker.io (you probably also want docker-conpose) |
| 08:28.13 | quadrathoch2 | mplscorwin |
| 08:28.26 | mplsCorwin | thanks. |
| 08:28.45 | quadrathoch2 | oops, docker-compose |
| 08:29.38 | quadrathoch2 | try to stay as much as possible within the Debian repos, you can search for packages ( apt search <package>) or use packages.Debian.org |
| 08:29.52 | mplsCorwin | I've just finished the install and need to rest now, so I'll bring up my wesite and then restore the user accounts and their data (if they had any) and *then* I get to look at docker (and then I get to look at sr.ht). But for now, I'm going to bed ;) |
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| 08:30.10 | mplsCorwin | ug. tired. I killed my joke there. |
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| 08:31.55 | quadrathoch2 | Night |
| 08:32.26 | mplsCorwin | g'night quadrathoch2 o/ |
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| 09:53.50 | bytefire | hi, what would you recommend for a simple and light weight video editor? looking for something gui based :) |
| 09:54.30 | Haohmaru | what kind of editing? |
| 09:54.56 | pasiz | bytefire: just cutting or something more |
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| 10:12.39 | aminvakil | https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/List_of_applications#Video_editors |
| 10:13.20 | aminvakil | bytefire: this is a good start maybe? |
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| 11:05.28 | bytefire | Haohmaru: pasiz: sorry went away for a meeting |
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| 11:06.08 | bytefire | mainly for cutting |
| 11:06.55 | bytefire | i'm not good at complex gui options, so something basic will do :) |
| 11:07.36 | bytefire | aminvakil: thanks, that's a good list. is there anything you can recommend? |
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| 11:19.17 | Deknos | will be a python2 or python3 be the standard for debian bullseye? |
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| 11:20.32 | twb | Deknos: Debian 11 plans to have no python2 at all |
| 11:20.49 | JackFrost | Got a link for that? |
| 11:20.59 | ltl3 | when is debian 11 coming out? |
| 11:21.01 | twb | https://wiki.debian.org/Python/2Removal |
| 11:21.15 | twb | ltl3: "when it's ready", but probably around 2012Q2 |
| 11:21.18 | JackFrost | That was somewhat of a goal last I knew, but long road and they weren't sure they were going to make it last I knew. |
| 11:21.22 | ltl3 | I'd also like to know when they'll have the new community sysadmin book for bullseye out, as well |
| 11:21.53 | Deknos | twb, <3 |
| 11:22.23 | ltl3 | if it's Q2 of this year, then I might buy the buster book first |
| 11:23.15 | JackFrost | twb: Thanks, that answers my question. There'll be an unsupported py2 only for building things. :3 |
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| 11:25.44 | jelly | twb, ok, no python2, but will it have a tauthon? :-D |
| 11:26.46 | twb | jelly: if you think that's silly, considered that Chicken and Python had eggs... but now Python has wheels |
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| 11:28.48 | jelly | ,v pypy |
| 11:28.49 | judd | Package: pypy on amd64 -- jessie: 2.4.0+dfsg-3; stretch: 5.6.0+dfsg-4; stretch-backports: 7.0.0+dfsg-2~bpo9+1; buster: 7.0.0+dfsg-3; bullseye: 7.3.3+dfsg-1; sid: 7.3.3+dfsg-1 |
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| 11:29.03 | jelly | oh look, pypy is still there |
| 11:31.49 | JackFrost | ,v python2 |
| 11:31.50 | judd | Package: python2 on amd64 -- buster: 2.7.16-1; bullseye: 2.7.18-2; sid: 2.7.18-2 |
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| 11:45.50 | twb | AIUI cpython2 is removed because upstream EOL'd it -- did pypy do the same for pypy < 3? |
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| 12:06.22 | twb | Heh, pypy and pypy3 are scheduled for removal due to unpopularity & dependency on python2: https://release.debian.org/transitions/html/python2-rm.html |
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| 12:26.18 | ratrace | noooo, wait, what? pypy going out? |
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| 12:27.21 | ratrace | I don't know how to read that page... |
| 12:27.24 | ratrace | twb: ^ |
| 12:28.11 | BCMM | hang on, all version of pypy depend on python2? |
| 12:28.22 | twb | BCMM: I assume they build-depend on it because they're not self-hosting |
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| 12:30.22 | BCMM | huh, looks like pypy3 build-deps on pypy |
| 12:30.25 | BCMM | that's odd. |
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| 12:31.33 | Peyam | , v KDE |
| 12:31.34 | judd | No package named 'KDE' was found in amd64. |
| 12:31.42 | Peyam | , -v KDE |
| 12:31.43 | judd | No package named 'KDE' was found in amd64. |
| 12:31.58 | Peyam | , v KDE-plasma |
| 12:31.59 | judd | No package named 'KDE-plasma' was found in amd64. |
| 12:32.07 | Peyam | , v kde |
| 12:32.08 | judd | No package named 'kde' was found in amd64. |
| 12:32.13 | Peyam | what |
| 12:32.22 | Peyam | , v kde-desktop |
| 12:32.23 | judd | No package named 'kde-desktop' was found in amd64. |
| 12:35.27 | EdePopede | ,v task-kde-desktop |
| 12:35.28 | judd | Package: task-kde-desktop on amd64 -- jessie: 3.31+deb8u1; stretch: 3.39; buster: 3.53; bullseye: 3.61; sid: 3.62 |
| 12:36.28 | EdePopede | Peyam, such packages usually play in the task league. other league would be metapackages. |
| 12:37.21 | EdePopede | ,v kde-standard |
| 12:37.22 | judd | Package: kde-standard on amd64 -- jessie: 5:84; stretch: 5:92; buster: 5:102; bullseye: 5:108; sid: 5:108 |
| 12:37.26 | EdePopede | like this one |
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| 12:38.22 | EdePopede | ,v kde-plasma-desktop |
| 12:38.23 | judd | Package: kde-plasma-desktop on amd64 -- jessie: 5:84; stretch: 5:92; buster: 5:102; bullseye: 5:108; sid: 5:108 |
| 12:38.45 | EdePopede | another metapackage, and they all are a linear dependency |
| 12:40.58 | Peyam | buster is 10.7 right? |
| 12:41.19 | wsky | yup |
| 12:41.39 | Peyam | so the version in sid is newer? |
| 12:41.39 | BCMM | Peyam: what information were you trying to get about KDE? |
| 12:41.44 | Peyam | the version |
| 12:42.07 | BCMM | , v plasma-desktop |
| 12:42.09 | judd | Package: plasma-desktop on amd64 -- jessie: 4:4.11.13-2; stretch: 4:5.8.6-1; buster: 4:5.14.5.1-1; bullseye: 4:5.20.4-2; sid: 4:5.20.4-2 |
| 12:42.12 | BCMM | ^probably what you wanted |
| 12:42.34 | Peyam | yes. thanks |
| 12:42.50 | BCMM | for some years now, there is no desktop environment called "KDE" |
| 12:43.09 | BCMM | KDE is an organisation that makes software (it's like how there's no browser called "Mozilla") |
| 12:43.17 | Peyam | I havent' used KDE since KDE3 |
| 12:43.19 | BCMM | and KDE Plasma is one of the products they release |
| 12:43.47 | Peyam | thank you for the clearificxation |
| 12:43.47 | BCMM | Peyam: ah, ok. "KDE Plasma" is the desktop environment that used to just be called "KDE" |
| 12:44.36 | BCMM | i think it was an attempt to slightly separate the KDE applications from the KDE desktop environment in the hope that people would stop going "i can't use Krita, i have Gnome" |
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| 12:50.39 | twb | I *think* "plasma" is the KDE4 graphical shell, equivalent to gnome-shell |
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| 12:55.42 | BCMM | twb: plasmashell is the shell. "Plasma" refers to the desktop environment in general, so for example KWin is a component of Plasma |
| 12:55.50 | BCMM | also, it's at 5 rather than 4 now |
| 12:56.05 | twb | BCMM: ah OK thanks |
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| 12:57.37 | EdePopede | which one was the one with the rounded widgets in the corners which appeared when the mouse reached them? 4? i only remember having seen it as an installable preview. |
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| 12:59.05 | BCMM | EdePopede: do you mean the infamous cashew? https://149366088.v2.pressablecdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/kde-cashew.png |
| 12:59.29 | EdePopede | heh exactly. was a wtf moment :) |
| 12:59.47 | EdePopede | so it's dead now? |
| 13:00.09 | EdePopede | nvm, google-fu still works |
| 13:00.18 | BCMM | yeah, that was in KDE 4 (later renamed KDE Plasma 4) |
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| 13:02.43 | twb | oh active corners for the desktop itself |
| 13:02.52 | twb | i.e. that stuff we had back in like System 6 |
| 13:02.53 | EdePopede | heh, most top google entries about how to get rid of it |
| 13:04.03 | EdePopede | i like to place the mouse bottom right depending on what i'm doing (like video w/o the "hide after seconds of idling" option), so active corners aren't always a good thing |
| 13:06.43 | shtrb | What's wrong with active coreners ? you can enable / disable it |
| 13:07.12 | EdePopede | yop, disabling them would be the first thing i'd do ;) |
| 13:07.16 | ratrace | active coroners means something afoul is happening. |
| 13:07.38 | shtrb | oh sorry, typo |
| 13:08.05 | ratrace | shtrb: you didn't :) |
| 13:08.13 | EdePopede | actually i prefer hotkeys, using a normal keyboard. my xfce list is nearly full, defined them for everything with just some left out |
| 13:08.59 | EdePopede | no idea about tablets/phones, never had one. maybe i should, even if just to see how it works out. |
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| 13:09.14 | twb | shtrb: well personally I don't like active corners because I don't use a pointing device except when a shitty webpage demands it -- so most of time time the pointer lives in the corner :-) |
| 13:09.16 | shtrb | Everyone should be using pc/laptops :) |
| 13:10.52 | EdePopede | laptops suck for their klick behaviour on the pads. have 2 of them laying around from stoneage (one looks like the ones they have in the Enterprise D), and i can't even move the cursor around w/o creating klick events all the time |
| 13:11.29 | shtrb | EdePopede, you can disable the click in plasma and even in the kernel |
| 13:12.08 | shtrb | A recent P71 I had seen had an oposit problem it refused to register clicks :D |
| 13:12.09 | EdePopede | is an idea, may try to do so as soon as i find the cable (batteries are long gone now at least in one of them) |
| 13:12.45 | EdePopede | i just like that one i mentioned, reminds me of the early apples with the thick display borders. |
| 13:12.49 | shtrb | Old laptops had been that great feature where you could replace the battery , and the battery could be even repaired without the crappy chip that auth it |
| 13:14.11 | EdePopede | replacing them would probably be cheaper after that much time. one has a XP sticker iirc. |
| 13:15.07 | shtrb | I have seen reports about several laptops that would not boot if you buy a replacement battery (resellered), they out right refuse to boot. the workaround I had heared had get rid of the laptop or hope coreboot would support your laptop |
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| 13:17.54 | shtrb | Bulseye's plasma look nice |
| 13:18.25 | EdePopede | not really in the top 10 on my list, got them around for so long already i don't mind not touching them for some more time. just don't want to get rid of them, they both still work, only the battery issues... so i just keep them to have something to do... somewhen. |
| 13:19.40 | EdePopede | but what would be specs for cheap tablets able to run debian? i definitely can't get something in the league of an ipad or sth. maybe also notebooks. |
| 13:20.12 | shtrb | EdePopede, let move to d-o .. |
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| 13:42.17 | aminvakil | bytefire: no, i haven't used any of them, just wanted to share the list |
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| 14:02.59 | cratuki | I am recovering a system which has lost its crypttab. Please would someone tell me the default target name for the root partition in /etc/crypttab? |
| 14:03.33 | cratuki | (debian linux 10) |
| 14:03.58 | Mister00X | cratuki: Do you know whitch partition the encrypted one is? |
| 14:04.04 | jelly | cratuki, it really doesn't matter which name is used, I like luks0 better than, dunno, sda5_crypt |
| 14:04.13 | cratuki | yes, /dev/sda3 |
| 14:04.33 | cratuki | ok - if it does not matter, I will call it sda3_crypt |
| 14:04.39 | cratuki | thanks! |
| 14:04.46 | jelly | if you have lvm on top lvm will find the PV regardless |
| 14:05.06 | cratuki | I think it does, good news |
| 14:05.27 | ratrace | cratuki: the name is really arbitrary, you decide what you give but the crucial thing is that the name you opened it with for the chroot, is the name you put into crypttab. that said, sda3_crypt is the pattern the installer would've used |
| 14:05.37 | Mister00X | cratuki: you can also have a look at the manual -> $ man crypttab |
| 14:06.09 | cratuki | ratrace: concern about that issue (chroot) is what had me looking into this. I have opened it as sda3_crypt whilst preparing to chroot |
| 14:06.41 | ratrace | cratuki: the most important thing is that you use the same name in the crypttab so the initramfs and grub can autodetect things properly. |
| 14:06.55 | ratrace | the name itself, can really be anything. sdX_crypt is a good pattern |
| 14:07.21 | ratrace | cratuki: however, I'd really encourage you to use UUIDs or even partlabel, instead of sda / sdb |
| 14:07.24 | Mister00X | cratuki: maybe it would be wise to not use /dev/sdXn as identifier |
| 14:07.51 | cratuki | ratrace: thanks. I have used blkid to get the uuid. |
| 14:07.57 | Mister00X | ratrace was faster than me |
| 14:08.01 | ratrace | it is _still_ a problem in 2021, for various reasons, sdX and sdY may swap places on boot. happened to me few days ago but thankfully, I got everything pinned down with UUIDs and custom partlabels |
| 14:08.03 | cratuki | but I was in two minds about it, and you have steered me that way |
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| 14:08.51 | cratuki | Mister00X: thanks |
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| 14:09.04 | Mister00X | cratuki: you're welcome |
| 14:09.12 | cratuki | hits head |
| 14:09.24 | cratuki | I have taken recent backups - I can copy crypttab and fstab from that. |
| 14:10.05 | Mister00X | cratuki: good, but you may want to change to lables or uuids nevertheless |
| 14:10.19 | ratrace | cratuki: you wouldn't've learned what you learned here today, then :) |
| 14:10.54 | Mister00X | btw is there a fundamental difference between partlabels and labels? |
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| 14:11.34 | ratrace | yes. partlabels are specifically (gpt) partition labels. labels are filesystems' |
| 14:12.47 | Mister00X | hm so one is an atribute of the partition (table) and one an atributte of the filesystem? |
| 14:12.52 | ratrace | yup |
| 14:13.15 | Mister00X | are there reasons for prefering one over the other?# |
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| 14:14.48 | jelly | do you care mroe about a slice of the disk, or about the data inside |
| 14:14.49 | ratrace | well sometimes you need to address a partition without knowing or caring about its contents, like in virtualization |
| 14:15.26 | Mister00X | jelly: about the data in my case |
| 14:15.46 | ratrace | also in my case I have many disks and many partitions, in mdadm and btrfs RAID configurations, and something like p_boot_1, p_boot_2 is identifying the function of it, rather than single fs_boot thta would go atop of the raid1 there |
| 14:16.05 | jelly | Mister00X, which is why you're going to address the filesystem way more often than the underlying block device |
| 14:16.09 | ratrace | ie, you can have single filesystems sitting on multiple partitions and you'd want to ID them all separately |
| 14:16.47 | Mister00X | Ahhh that makes sense TIL |
| 14:16.57 | Mister00X | thank you both |
| 14:18.27 | jelly | unfortunate fun fact: snapshots of pieces of disk with a filesystem, will contain a snapshot of the filesystem with exact same UUID |
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| 14:18.53 | jelly | if a piece of software assumes fs UUID is unique, bad things can happen |
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| 14:19.11 | ratrace | are you talking about LVM? |
| 14:19.21 | store_scarecrow | It's RA Trace! |
| 14:19.22 | jelly | yes |
| 14:19.24 | store_scarecrow | Good to see you again. |
| 14:19.47 | ratrace | jelly: might be good to be explicit about it then. snapshots can be ZFS and BTRFS as well ;) |
| 14:19.58 | jelly | ratrace, but it mgiht be a storage snapshot as well |
| 14:20.18 | ratrace | that doesn't mean anything. you need to specify the tech used for the snap |
| 14:20.59 | jelly | something that snaps a blockdev will retain the contents as-is, that is, exact sam fs UUID |
| 14:21.29 | jelly | zfs and btrfs are weird and mix the layers |
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| 14:21.41 | ratrace | well.... zvol snaps won't because they're zvol snaps and don't care bout the fs, |
| 14:22.25 | jelly | in any case, using UUID in fstab is not much safer than using, say, LABEL |
| 14:22.38 | ratrace | question is, can you handle and moount individual snapshots. if yes? then yes you'd probably have duplicate UUID problem |
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| 14:23.19 | ratrace | yeah I prefer LABELs anyway. shorter and meaningful. UUIDS wane you to blkid or blkfs to figure out wth is that :) |
| 14:23.30 | ratrace | %s/wane/want/ |
| 14:23.39 | ratrace | %s/blkfs/lsblk/ lol |
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| 14:30.27 | store_scarecrow | As someone on the everlong Debian journey, where do you feel like you are actually getting somewhere? |
| 14:30.55 | store_scarecrow | Granted, I've run Debian servers for four years now, but that just feels like stuff I've done from guides. I don't know. |
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| 14:31.13 | store_scarecrow | I need to adjust my metrics because I know I've done something, but I don't want to say I'm anywhere close to a BAMF. |
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| 14:54.33 | jelly | store_scarecrow, you never stop learning |
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| 15:04.58 | store_scarecrow | That much I've gathered. I guess in order to keep learning, you almost have to go backward in time. |
| 15:05.20 | store_scarecrow | To just keep understanding what is happening and why. |
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| 15:16.32 | gnat_x | store_scarecrow: or to keep up with the new stuff. i've been running debian on various things for a long time. every few years something big changes and you relearn things when that happen. switching to the systemd way is an example. |
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| 15:17.45 | gnat_x | i've been running servers with debian since 2002(?), and i feel like i know a bunch, but still feel like i have a lot to learn when it comes to newer containerization paradigms. |
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| 15:21.29 | store_scarecrow | This is true. I have seen some odd stuff. I actually came in pretty heavy right around the time most had already gone to systemd. |
| 15:21.51 | store_scarecrow | So the tutorials all told you to use that. It was a while before I realized it was more than just a command to restart daemons. Lol |
| 15:22.06 | gnat_x | i also find myself going back to "really learn" stuff that i just copy/pasted from stuff years ago. |
| 15:22.19 | gnat_x | store_scarecrow: that took me a while to really get myself. |
| 15:24.58 | coreyfarrell | is there a place to search for packages which are not included in debian? I need python3-certbot-dns-luadns. |
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| 15:29.30 | store_scarecrow | coreyfarrell, not even being a jerk but... Google? |
| 15:30.00 | store_scarecrow | Obviously you can search the downloaded repository, but you can only scan what Debian pulls, unless you add another source. |
| 15:30.10 | store_scarecrow | So, I've only ever just Googled my way to getting it |
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| 15:30.32 | greycat | I think there's some sort of package to produce packages of python modules, but I'm definitely not a python guy. |
| 15:30.50 | store_scarecrow | You may be thinking of using pip or something. |
| 15:31.21 | store_scarecrow | coreyfarrell, how sure are you that THAT is what you need? |
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| 15:31.44 | store_scarecrow | Oh hey, look at that: https://pypi.org/project/certbot-dns-luadns/ |
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| 15:33.01 | store_scarecrow | https://pip.pypa.io/en/stable/installing/ for information on Pip, but you also said Python3, so it should be installed by default. |
| 15:33.50 | greycat | I know it's strongly recommended that you DO NOT run pip as root to install python modules system-wide, but I don't know what the recommended alternative is. |
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| 15:36.24 | gnat_x | it is a shame that the certbot tools can't work around that somehow. |
| 15:37.07 | greycat | I use dehydrated for Let's Encrypt, rather than any kind of python nonsense. |
| 15:37.15 | coreyfarrell | store_scarecrow: I'm positive I need the luadns plugin. the problem I'm seeing with pip3 is it seems like I'd have to uninstall all certbot packages and install everything with pip3. I'm not finding any debian packages, only RPM packages. |
| 15:37.57 | gnat_x | coreyfarrell: that seems to be the case from what i saw searching for that library. |
| 15:39.14 | gnat_x | coreyfarrell: provided all the other dependencies are packages, it may not be that hard to build a debian package. |
| 15:39.25 | sinkmanu | hi |
| 15:39.44 | ltl3 | hi |
| 15:39.45 | gnat_x | coreyfarrell: but then you have to rebuild/update it. |
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| 16:04.00 | mirko | given Qt's decision to restrict access to (security-)fixes for LTS versions to commercial users only, and being myself a maintainer of Qt for a linux distribution, is there already any strategy and/or discussion by debian's maintainers? |
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| 16:21.31 | Mister00X | mirko: you may want to ask this on #debian-qt-kde on the oftc network |
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| 16:23.36 | coreyfarrell | I ended up generating a debianized source directory using python3-stdeb then used dpkg-buildpackage to build the binary. |
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| 16:25.29 | enyc | any cryptsetup/initramfs gurus about? ;-) |
| 16:25.57 | enyc | I want to successfully rebuild a cryptroot initramfs when chroot'ing into the deb10 based install |
| 16:26.41 | enyc | under chroot configs it ... messes up and doesn't detect the cryptroot file (to go in the initramfs) contents.... |
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| 16:27.04 | enyc | doesn't even put in crypt modules at all, can override that with /etc/cryptsetup-initramfs/conf-hook CRYPTSETUP=y but thats' clearly not the whole story |
| 16:27.22 | enyc | vows to backup working initramfs's in future (whatever happened to initramfs .old files? |
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| 16:33.54 | enyc | Oooo turns out my question is EXACTLY this https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/267182/initramfs-in-debootstrap-chroot-of-fully-encrypted-system |
| 16:33.55 | Ashdemai | hey guys, i need a bit of help, I'm stuck on this part for quite some time now |
| 16:33.57 | mirko | Mister00X: thanks |
| 16:34.31 | Ashdemai | i'm following this guide on creating a pleroma instance on my raspberry pi, and on the list it tells me to install elixir and erlang |
| 16:35.04 | Mister00X | Ashdemai: On debian? |
| 16:35.12 | Ashdemai | but when I try to install elixir, it tells nme there are a lot of dependencies that couldn't be downloaded |
| 16:35.19 | Ashdemai | i'm on a raspbian |
| 16:35.34 | mirko | Mister00X: appears i get rerouted to ##debian-qt-kde where i'm the only user in |
| 16:35.38 | greycat | then #raspbian would be a better place to ask |
| 16:35.46 | shtrb | fyi Ashdemai, you have a specific pleorama distribution for pi |
| 16:36.02 | Ashdemai | I do? |
| 16:36.30 | Mister00X | mirko: on the oftc network? You may need to register yourself on the server for this chan |
| 16:36.42 | shtrb | Ashdemai, https://github.com/guysoft/PleromaPi |
| 16:37.32 | Ashdemai | @shtrb, if I want to do other stuff other than have a server, will it be possible through the CLI? |
| 16:37.45 | Ashdemai | Like I want to run a small code that is unrelated |
| 16:37.46 | mirko | Mister00X: ah, no, i joined from within here which lead me to the freenode channel, thanks |
| 16:38.00 | shtrb | I have no clue , I just know about a pleorama specific solution for pi :) |
| 16:38.37 | Mister00X | mirko: You're welcome |
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| 16:38.52 | Ashdemai | @shtrb, if I have any problems with it, should I ask here or is there are specific room I could go to |
| 16:39.44 | shtrb | Ashdemai, for pleromaPi I think it would be easier to ask https://github.com/guysoft/PleromaPi/issues , for how to do stuff on debian here |
| 16:39.54 | Ashdemai | I see |
| 16:39.58 | Ashdemai | thank you |
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| 16:57.11 | guysoft42 | Hey, someone mentioned Pleroma around here? Friend said I should come help :) |
| 16:57.23 | guysoft42 | shtrb, Hey |
| 16:57.30 | shtrb | Hi |
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| 17:07.19 | zerocool | anyone know of some way to track down a memory leak? |
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| 17:08.35 | Brigo | zerocool, he is gone |
| 17:08.59 | zerocool | who, `anyone`? |
| 17:09.00 | unixbsd | Is Mercenary Kings game (platform, 2d) available in Debian non-free repos? |
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| 17:22.30 | store_scarecrow | unixbsd, https://store.steampowered.com/app/218820/Mercenary_Kings_Reloaded_Edition/ What about that? |
| 17:25.55 | unixbsd | steam is into non-free now? |
| 17:26.13 | unixbsd | I know that Ubuntu has Steam by default nowadays. This is pretty cool for gamers actually. |
| 17:27.19 | elios | steam never was free software |
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| 17:30.56 | store_scarecrow | It was the only version I could find on such short notice. |
| 17:31.15 | store_scarecrow | Just curious if you wanted the actual file itself or if you just wanted to relive it in a way. |
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| 17:31.57 | Mister00X | unixbsd: Steam is in the non-free part of the repos |
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| 18:04.13 | asenm | Hello, folks! Does this mean that my mmc card is dying [33471.098733] end_request: I/O error, dev mtdblock0, sector 0 [33471.104320] Buffer I/O error on device mtdblock0, logical block 0 My lsblk looks like this. https://pastebin.com/iy4kcbC3 that mtdblock0 ain't even mounted? how come i get errors from it? |
| 18:04.26 | freem | is there is an option to have octal representation of files permissions? I would tend to use ls for that, since it's relatively "easy", but I can't find the words "permission" or "octal" in man page |
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| 18:05.03 | sney | asenm: that kind of i/o error is common with disk failure, yes |
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| 18:06.04 | asenm | sney my question is is this the flash memory dying or mmc card? This is some embeded device and not sure whats going on |
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| 18:07.22 | sney | asenm: I don't know what mtdblock0 refers to from that output, check the Model field in parted -l or fdisk -l to associate it to a specific disk |
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| 18:11.13 | Zilean | Hello, would you know if it is possible to use a webpage that uses GSSAPI+Kerberos in Debian distros? |
| 18:15.09 | ratrace | Zilean: are you talking about a web application (server side probably) that uses gssapi for authentication? |
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| 18:15.31 | Zilean | yes ratrace, sorry for the bad explaination |
| 18:16.45 | ratrace | well if there's a library in the webapplication's language of choice, sure, whynot. |
| 18:16.55 | ratrace | a gssapi library |
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| 18:28.51 | santost12 | sorry if this isn't the place to ask, but are there any well known companies that backport security updates to unsupported versions of debian? |
| 18:29.22 | greycat | !elts |
| 18:29.22 | dpkg | Limited commercial support for jessie exists in form of Extended LTS, see https://wiki.debian.org/LTS/Extended and https://deb.freexian.com/extended-lts/, or wheezy-elts ended 2020-06-30 |
| 18:29.29 | greycat | beyond that I don't have any details |
| 18:29.52 | santost12 | okay. i ask because my school uses Debian 5/Lenny. i emailed them. |
| 18:30.14 | ScribusP | lots of low mem machines maybe :) |
| 18:30.17 | greycat | I rather doubt you'll find anyone backporting security fixes for that. |
| 18:30.39 | santost12 | site doesnt support TLS but im more concerned about them using debian 5. |
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| 18:31.07 | santost12 | thankfully its not the main site but a lab server |
| 18:31.08 | n4dir | ScribusP: i sure have my experience with low memory, Pentium 3 was among them. Running outdated or old versions doesn't help in that regrard. As in: not at all |
| 18:31.42 | ScribusP | i agree, yes |
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| 18:32.18 | ScribusP | with a little trick you could install debian-10.7 i386 |
| 18:32.34 | twelvety | i wish to add the aufs module to my kernel. i am told i need the aufs-dkms package (and kernel headers) to build and install the module. i am wondering what happens if there is an update for aufs. do i need to keep aufs-dkms installed? |
| 18:32.59 | Mister00X | twelvety: yes |
| 18:33.05 | n4dir | There is no trick involved. Just pick the according environment and applications |
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| 18:33.48 | twelvety | Mister00X i see. so what happens if there is an update. is the module rebuild/install script invoked again? |
| 18:34.05 | Mister00X | twelvety: usually yes |
| 18:34.21 | ScribusP | n4dir: it requires a trick if you run on 128 or 256 MB of ram |
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| 18:34.48 | jelly | swap on zram might help apt work better (or, at all) |
| 18:34.49 | n4dir | we are speaking old century, huh? |
| 18:35.03 | Mister00X | twelvety: to be more precise you need dkms in case of a kernel update too |
| 18:35.08 | jelly | but the installer needs a lot of memory as well |
| 18:35.36 | jelly | so putting the disk in a different machine, and installing there can be a way to go |
| 18:35.53 | twelvety | Mister00X i have not had dkms installed in the past and still received kernel updates through apt |
| 18:35.55 | greycat | the installer should be OK with 128 MB unless I missed a major bump in required specs |
| 18:35.59 | n4dir | I had a now stolen 256 Mem laptop. It was not great, but i don't recall any tricks. The usual "enter" routine |
| 18:36.17 | Mister00X | twelvety: that was badly written by me |
| 18:36.40 | jelly | greycat, didn't crawl horribly on a mere 128MB? |
| 18:36.49 | n4dir | oh yes. |
| 18:36.52 | Mister00X | twelvety: you need dkms too keep your additional module after a kernel update |
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| 18:37.22 | greycat | I haven't actually *tested* installing buster on 128 MB, just don't recall the release notes saying it wasn't enough any more. 64 MB was the mininum pre-jessie. |
| 18:37.43 | greycat | I think they bumped it to 80 MB for jessie. |
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| 18:38.08 | Mister00X | twelvety: trust me some dkms-github stuff is the only way my wifi works |
| 18:38.15 | Mister00X | dkms is great |
| 18:38.47 | jelly | me neither. We provision the smallest VMs with 512MB, even those that could work with less (how much RAM does a ntp server need, really) |
| 18:39.14 | twelvety | Mister00X ok, thanks for the explaination, i understand. what happens if i wish to keep my install more lightweight and remove dkms and its (quite a lot) of dependencies. will i be at risk if i dont keep an eye on updates at debian.org? |
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| 18:39.58 | Mister00X | twelvety: to be honest if you have something depending on dkms I would really not remove it |
| 18:40.13 | n4dir | The old hardware others consider crap, hence my experience, now usually have at least 3 or 4 Gigs. It sure gets difficult to get hardware with really low RAM |
| 18:40.21 | greycat | Ah, they did bump it some. https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch03s04.en.html#idm597 |
| 18:40.30 | greycat | "With swap enabled, it is possible to install Debian with as little as 170MB." |
| 18:41.07 | jelly | right, possible |
| 18:41.44 | Mister00X | twelvety: also im almost sure that removing dkms will remove dkms reverse depending packages |
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| 18:41.57 | jelly | probably two-three houses removed from its neighbour sensible |
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| 18:42.07 | twelvety | Mister00X in the past (to maintain a more lightweight setup) i have built the module seperately and simply added it to the modules dir and ran depmod |
| 18:42.12 | greycat | cf. Jessie's version: https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/ch03s04.html.en#idp71152016 |
| 18:42.24 | greycat | "Depending on the architecture, it is possible to install Debian with as little as 20MB (for s390) to 60MB (for amd64)." (for jessie) |
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| 18:42.36 | n4dir | lol. |
| 18:43.40 | Mister00X | twelvety: if you're so concerned about beeing lightweight, you should at some other resource hungry things |
| 18:43.41 | n4dir | There was that old refracta, based on debian back then, dev who once released a version which booted to 11 MB of RAM usage to TTY, and slightly more to GUI. The good times. |
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| 18:44.55 | Mister00X | s/should/should look |
| 18:45.02 | n4dir | debian to TTY was not that much back then either, though. |
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| 18:49.30 | twelvety | Mister00X do you have any experience with module-assistant? could it require less packages, etc? |
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| 18:55.09 | Mister00X | twelvety: sorry no I haven't |
| 18:55.50 | jelly | dkms has largerly replaced mod-ass |
| 18:56.59 | Mister00X | twelvety: just a question are you looking for lightweight options disk space wise or resources wise |
| 18:57.14 | twelvety | Mister00X no problem, i probably will stick with dkms to least to begin with. it seems to require less interaction to update modules when needed |
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| 18:57.38 | twelvety | Mister00X both, i have maintained a debian system for a while now and dont want to change it too much for the aufs module |
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| 18:58.20 | twelvety | it looks like dkms will still function if i dont install recommended packages with apt, it seems to cut down on a lot of extra packages |
| 18:58.36 | Mister00X | !why reccomends |
| 18:59.11 | Mister00X | !why recommends |
| 18:59.12 | dpkg | From Debian 5.0 "Lenny" onwards, apt-get and aptitude both install "Recommended" packages by default. From <policy> section 7.2, Recommends, "declares a strong, but not absolute, dependency. The Recommends field should list packages that would be found together with this one in all but unusual installations." You're not that unusual, trust us. By not installing "recommended" packages you will be missing functionality. |
| 18:59.20 | Mister00X | typo :) |
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| 19:00.03 | Mister00X | twelvety: one of the recommends of dkms are the headers which you need |
| 19:01.05 | Mister00X | I can't say much about the other stuff <--- not very expericenced in that |
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| 19:03.59 | twelvety | Mister00X yeah, i can install headers manually and then aufs-dkms --no-install-recommends. i usually use that switch |
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| 19:04.06 | NetTerminalGene | i installed buster on my new ssd. it didn't install grub theme -_- |
| 19:04.14 | twelvety | did there not used to be a linux-image-extra package for extra modules? |
| 19:04.15 | NetTerminalGene | what can i install for that? |
| 19:04.42 | zerocool | i have a q: apt vs apt-get |
| 19:04.51 | zerocool | which should one use |
| 19:05.10 | greycat | !apt vs. apt-get |
| 19:05.10 | dpkg | apt is promoted over apt-get for interactive use. It uses fancy colors and has output format differences. It removes the .deb files that it downloads during an install or upgrade. It installs new packages during upgrades. apt-get has a stable command-line interface and is promoted for scripting. |
| 19:05.20 | n4dir | if you have to ask it probably doesn't matter much. |
| 19:05.37 | Mister00X | twelvety: but aufs-dkms will not install aufs-tools which you will probably need |
| 19:05.48 | n4dir | the cool kids all run apt though. Because new. |
| 19:05.51 | Mister00X | without reccomends |
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| 19:06.17 | zerocool | i use apt but i always wonder |
| 19:06.48 | zerocool | they should have an --batch option that makes apt more script friendly maybe |
| 19:06.52 | twelvety | Mister00X its ok, i dont need aufs-tools, my script handles aufs operations fine |
| 19:07.00 | zerocool | :shrug: |
| 19:07.21 | twelvety | always have used apt-get myself. and then dpkg when apt is removed (when experimenting got wild) |
| 19:07.42 | Stonefruit | my syslog is spammed with "Np DHCPOFFERS received" and "/etc/dhcp/dhclient-exit-hooks.d/zzz_avahi-autoipd returned non-zero exit status 1" every couple of minutes. my internet works fine. does anyone know what's causing this? |
| 19:08.04 | Mister00X | twelvety: I would Install dkms first WITH recommends and then aufs-dkms |
| 19:08.09 | Mister00X | without |
| 19:08.22 | greycat | Stonefruit: at a guess, your network has no working DHCP server |
| 19:08.23 | EdePopede | i prefer to keep the .deb and also "fancy colors" sounds a bit like sns. so maybe apt-get isn't *that* wrong. |
| 19:08.51 | quadrathoch2 | Netterminalgene encrypted? |
| 19:09.10 | greycat | Stonefruit: then again, I do not have this zzz_avahi* file that you have, and I have no idea what it does. |
| 19:09.14 | n4dir | EdePopede: and then there is muscle memory ... |
| 19:09.14 | Stonefruit | greycat: I don't know much about networking, but can this be the case if new devices can connect to the network, get an IP and access the internet? |
| 19:09.33 | NetTerminalGene | quadrathoch2: /boot isn't encrypted |
| 19:09.35 | greycat | I wonder if the "no DHCPOFFERS" is related to the zzz_avahi at all. |
| 19:09.46 | EdePopede | n4dir: heh, yes. and option memory. what would i do with apt-cache? |
| 19:10.00 | greycat | In any case, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" applies here. |
| 19:10.09 | quadrathoch2 | The system as most donât encrypt /boot |
| 19:11.01 | NetTerminalGene | quadrathoch2: yes. but my problem is that grub doesn't have theme |
| 19:11.05 | twelvety | Mister00X i will definitely look out for problems when installing and consider recommends if i get problems. only xfce4 (metapackage) has not worked without recommends in my past experience (i gave up finding what i broke) |
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| 19:11.19 | twelvety | Mister00X i must go, thanks a lot for the help |
| 19:11.53 | quadrathoch2 | if yes nettermonalgene, because the background of the theme is in the encrypted part, so you would need to copy it over to /boot and edit the config file of grub to tell where the new location is |
| 19:11.57 | Mister00X | twelvety: dkms has like 4 recommends: fakeroot and the kernel headers you will need both for it to work properly |
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| 19:12.58 | NetTerminalGene | quadrathoch2: wow. never came to my mind. it is better let it alone then |
| 19:12.59 | twelvety | Mister00X thanks, i will remember :) |
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| 19:13.52 | Stonefruit | greycat: the avahi line is always a couple of lines after the "No DHCPOFFERS" line, so surely they're connected... you are right, it does not break anything, but I'd like to find out what's going on out of personal curiosity |
| 19:13.55 | quadrathoch2 | Eh, idk why you wouldnât do it but your choice |
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| 20:27.33 | Souler | Hello. Witch one is the best free video-editor for linux? |
| 20:28.03 | sney | I've used kdenlive for a few things, it's capable |
| 20:28.57 | Souler | ok, thanks |
| 20:29.19 | zutat | i didn't know there was more than just the one mentioned |
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| 20:31.23 | diogenes_ | blender, davinci maybe. |
| 20:32.11 | jmcnaught | flowblade, kino, lives, melt, openshot, pitivi |
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| 20:36.09 | store_scarecrow | I feel like I've heard of Openshot before. |
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| 20:36.37 | store_scarecrow | That's probably the one I've shared before. Lol |
| 20:37.14 | sney | google seems to have a lot of "openshot vs kdenlive vs davinci" stuff. davinci isn't free, of course, but I guess it's popular |
| 20:37.16 | Souler | flowblade looking nice |
| 20:37.21 | store_scarecrow | But, I mean, at a glance, you can use it to edit videos, it's cross-platform, great for slicing or trimming, has animations, title editor, video effects, time effects, etc. |
| 20:37.30 | store_scarecrow | Sure, you won't be making the next Avengers movie with it, but it's free. |
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| 20:41.02 | store_scarecrow | My issue with video editors is I don't create videos and I don't make it a habit of doing anything with them either. But that's my personal issue. |
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| 20:41.34 | store_scarecrow | I've always wanted to, but I'm not a creator. I guess I could do some of those high quality GIFs Reddit always goes nuts about. |
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| 20:42.41 | store_scarecrow | But Openshot and Flowblade are available on GitHub. I've become a sucker for things I can download from GitHub. :D |
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| 21:04.39 | zykotick9 | is a sucker for things he can download from debian using apt/apt-get/aptitude |
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| 21:08.30 | zykotick9 | I hate sound-issues. I couldn't figure out why my HDMI audio stopped working, I could see it in pamix/etc. All that changed since yesterday is I used my headphone (and I didn't have to change any settings for that!). Unplug headphones = problem solved. |
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| 21:11.58 | Filystyn | long time no see |
| 21:12.13 | Filystyn | I was hoping I will never ever have to ask debian related questions. |
| 21:12.19 | Filystyn | PIM PAM POM, WORNG |
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| 21:12.41 | Filystyn | apache2, php. apache on debian has scattered all over config files. |
| 21:12.51 | Filystyn | After tiem i find the php conf file load what ever |
| 21:13.03 | Filystyn | it's uncommented. and apache does not see php |
| 21:13.11 | Filystyn | hurry |
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| 21:17.42 | greycat | There are separate PHP config files depending on whether you're using the command-line /usr/bin/php program, or the php*-fpm daemon, or the apache php module. |
| 21:18.10 | epitamizor | what can I do to overcome this stupid motherboard not being able to recognize grub EFI loader. it only is able to boot from efi via usb boot option but not directly from ssd |
| 21:18.30 | Filystyn | OK, that help grey cat thank you |
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| 21:28.15 | AnGe7 | Hi all |
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| 21:34.15 | AnGe7 | someone know how to show all process (by all users) with « ps aux » ? when i type « ps aux » i have only my own process. |
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| 21:40.21 | Whyvn | hello, I am using Debian 10 with an Intel UHD Graphics 620. I am having issues with opengl programs saying that the shader version is not supported. I saw from https://wiki.debian.org/GraphicsCard it says (not related to opengl) to remove xserver-xorg-video-intel if I have a newer system and use xserver-xorg-core instead. When I removed the intel package I cannot boot into an xserver session. I am unsure where to start since I installed |
| 21:40.22 | Whyvn | all the opengl packages available in apt. So I assume its my graphics drivers somehow. |
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| 21:41.33 | sney | !i915 firmware |
| 21:41.34 | dpkg | Some Intel UHD GPUs made after 2015 require firmware from userspace for all features to be enabled. This includes Skylake, Kabylake, Broxton, Cannonlake and possibly others. Ask me about <non-free sources> and install firmware-misc-nonfree to provide. |
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| 21:43.08 | Whyvn | I have firmware-misc-nonfree installed, what other non-free sources should i consider? |
| 21:43.48 | sney | there's just the one. |
| 21:43.57 | greycat | you mean packages? intel-microcode or amd64-microcode |
| 21:44.49 | Whyvn | I have amd64-microcode as well. |
| 21:45.12 | greycat | on a machine with Intel graphics? um... |
| 21:45.24 | Filystyn | "To continue type in the phrase 'Yes, do as I say!' or retry" tardism is 2 stronk today |
| 21:45.24 | Whyvn | well, intel-microcode is install too |
| 21:45.36 | towo` | and that microcodes are for CPU not GPU |
| 21:45.48 | Whyvn | [installed, automatic] |
| 21:45.59 | towo` | and maybe you need kernel and firmware from backports for that CPU |
| 21:46.07 | greycat | Right. I'm not trying to imply it will change anything regarding your ability to start X. Just that you might want to consider installing the appropriate one. |
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| 21:48.20 | Whyvn | if something is [installed, automatic] how can I enable it? so its not automatic? |
| 21:49.24 | greycat | !unmarkauto |
| 21:49.25 | dpkg | Is apt trying to remove packages that it thinks were automatically installed? This happens when you "aptitude install gnome" and then later remove bits of it causing the gnome meta-package to be uninstalled and then all its dependencies. Fix this by running "aptitude unmarkauto packagename" on strategically chosen packages, or reinstall the <metapackage> (apt-get also has unmarkauto from squeeze onwards). |
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| 22:06.02 | HelloShitty | Hello. Can anyone help me figuring out what is wrong with this command because I can't get the prompt bck after entering my password: |
| 22:06.05 | HelloShitty | sudo dd if=/dev/urandom bs=512 count=8 iflag=fullblock | gpg2 -v --cipher-algo aes256 --digest-algo sha512 -c -a > encryption-key.asc |
| 22:07.41 | sney | when you say "can't get the prompt back" is it giving you PS2? like '>'? |
| 22:07.48 | greycat | I have no freaking clue what piping random binary data into gpg2 does, so I'll just address the one part I understand: what on earth are you using sudo for? |
| 22:08.09 | EdePopede | does judd's `,file` not work for directories? i can understand if they don't exist because they were created during install to keep some files, but /etc/tmpfiles.d is empty on my stretch and dpkg reports it coming from screen and systemd. tested a few other dirs from there, empty and not, and none does seem to exist. |
| 22:08.57 | greycat | if it's created during install, it's probably not part of a package; did you use dpkg -S? |
| 22:09.30 | greycat | what are you actually looking for, or trying to do? |
| 22:09.32 | EdePopede | yep, -S then -L which reports "/etc/tmpfiles.d" |
| 22:09.37 | HelloShitty | sney: now it worked |
| 22:09.45 | HelloShitty | I don't know what I did different |
| 22:09.50 | HelloShitty | I think I did all the same |
| 22:09.56 | EdePopede | oh was just surprised, didn't even notice this dir until right now. |
| 22:10.19 | sney | HelloShitty: great. you might have had a rogue ' or something. and greycat is right, nothing in there needs sudo. |
| 22:10.21 | sney | !sudo |
| 22:10.21 | dpkg | Sudo, aka Substitute User DO, is a common way to give limited super user privileges to specific users. Not the magic "do what I want" button. Good in scripts with "username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program". See <sudo path>, <visudo>, <sudoers>. http://wiki.debian.org/sudo |
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| 22:10.48 | HelloShitty | and ok, will repeat the command without sudo |
| 22:11.15 | sney | it doesn't make a difference here, it's just pointlessly piping data as root that would be the same as a normal user |
| 22:11.46 | sney | sudo is for specific things. understand it, and use it where you need it. |
| 22:12.17 | HelloShitty | yep |
| 22:12.28 | EdePopede | ok, seems judd ignores directories, not even /home or /var/cache/apt are found |
| 22:13.03 | greycat | what package did you think created /home or contains any files in /home? |
| 22:13.28 | greycat | things like /home and /opt are created outside of the package system entirely |
| 22:13.41 | HelloShitty | sney: just a catch up. What I did was to break the command in 2 parts and ignore the last part > ecryption-key.asc to see if they worked separately |
| 22:13.51 | HelloShitty | then I just put them together again |
| 22:14.02 | HelloShitty | So, I really can't understand where I was going wrong |
| 22:14.13 | HelloShitty | unless the password confirmation was not the same |
| 22:14.26 | HelloShitty | but in that case, the pop up window would have let me know, I guess |
| 22:15.01 | sney | HelloShitty: piping interactive programs can have unreliable results, if you're going to use shell redirects, it's best to put *all* of the information on the command line |
| 22:15.45 | HelloShitty | ok |
| 22:15.58 | sney | EdePopede: I'm pretty sure judd's file database (like apt-file) is populated by Contents files, and from the apt-file man page: "Since Contents files does not contain directories, the pattern must match (part of a) file name." |
| 22:16.14 | HelloShitty | I was just avoiding the key output to be visible (sneaked) by any means |
| 22:17.33 | EdePopede | sney: screen definitely has this empty dir |
| 22:18.25 | EdePopede | mc's viewer displays it, manually unaring the deb then untaring the txz creates it. |
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| 22:19.54 | sney | HelloShitty: then use '-o /path/to/encryption-key.asc' instead of a >, as documented in the gpg2 man page |
| 22:20.00 | EdePopede | especially systemd has 8 empty dirs in total in /etc |
| 22:20.46 | EdePopede | ok, some less. just more dirs and symlinks don't seem to change the value of 0 |
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| 22:28.55 | TZF | how to translate for debian's wiki ? |
| 22:29.26 | sney | email wiki@debian.org, get an account, translate |
| 22:29.45 | TZF | cool ! |
| 22:30.11 | abrotman | https://wiki.debian.org/DebianWiki/TranslationNamespace |
| 22:30.27 | abrotman | That wasn't what I meant |
| 22:30.44 | abrotman | I thought the wiki had its own page about translations |
| 22:31.04 | TZF | t's ok |
| 22:31.20 | TZF | thanks guys for your attention |
| 22:32.30 | jmcnaught | https://wiki.debian.org/DebianWiki/EditorGuide#translation maybe? |
| 22:34.20 | TZF | that's the one : https://wiki.debian.org/fr/Traduction |
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| 22:51.40 | Zombie | Who did I speak to about IPX's removal from the Linux Kernel in 2018? |
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| 23:01.54 | HelloShitty | ok sney , thanks for helping out |
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