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| 00:18.23 | prg3 | Hmm, looks like "cal" is no longer highlighting the date for me on my debian testing boxes. Anyone else on bullseye and want to see if "cal" highlights today for you? |
| 00:20.03 | sney | confirmed |
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| 00:20.26 | sney | bullseye support is in #debian-next on oftc as per the topic (note, right now you are on freenode) |
| 00:20.28 | sney | ,file bin/cal |
| 00:20.36 | prg3 | Thanks |
| 00:20.37 | judd | Search for bin/cal in buster/amd64: bsdmainutils: usr/bin/cal; 9base: usr/lib/plan9/bin/cal |
| 00:21.08 | sney | aha, in buster 'cal' is from bsdmainutils but in bullseye it's from ncal. the change is probably somewhere in that transition |
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| 00:25.01 | twb | sney: oh thanks I didn't realize I joined on freenode by accident! |
| 00:25.02 | prg3 | Aha; looks like its a known issue: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=972950. Thanks |
| 00:25.03 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/972950 in ncal (open): «ncal: cal fails to highlight current date (and rejects -h flag)»; severity: normal; opened: 2020-10-26; last modified: 2020-10-26. |
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| 00:25.20 | sney | np |
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| 00:47.11 | riff-IRC | hey \\Mr_C\\, didn't think you'd be idling here |
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| 00:50.10 | riff-IRC | so has anyone here gotten Debian running with a GUI on RISC-V? |
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| 00:55.13 | sney | I didn't think the hardware was really available yet |
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| 00:59.40 | ratrace | what was that helper tool mk-something something which generates a metapacakge for build dependencies so you can uninstall it and have all the build deps autoremoved.... |
| 00:59.53 | ratrace | something helper.... deb helper .... build mk deb helper something blah.... |
| 01:00.57 | quadrathoch2 | mk-build-deps? |
| 01:01.17 | quadrathoch2 | within devscripts? |
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| 01:02.09 | ratrace | quadrathoch2: yep that the one. THANKS! |
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| 01:02.46 | quadrathoch2 | ratrace yw :) |
| 01:03.29 | ratrace | and holy fuzzycats the dependency list of devscripts! one hundred fifty three! |
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| 01:47.55 | TaZeR | unfortunatly it didnt work sudo su still asks for pw, my sudoers looks like this now: http://ix.io/2L0q |
| 01:48.00 | TaZeR | sorry wrong chan |
| 01:48.15 | sney | !sudo su |
| 01:48.15 | dpkg | Typing "sudo su" is like typing "cat file | cat". If you want a non-login shell as root, just use "sudo -s". If you want a login shell, "sudo -i". There's no need to run two different superuser-elevation programs chained back to back. See also <buster su> |
| 01:48.52 | robobox | if only ubuntu and fedora didn't prevent people from being plain root! |
| 01:49.01 | unixbsd | wait today it is "su -" |
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| 01:51.52 | ratrace | su and sudo are two different paradigms. su -l and sudo -i both achieve the same, from two different angles |
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| 01:55.33 | Mr_Queue | sudo by default is pretty worthless.. |
| 01:56.43 | robobox | also giving everyone sudo by defualt with just their user passwords and telling them not to use su which requires the root password is nightmarish for an admin |
| 01:56.49 | TaZeR | thats why im automating the process as much as possible, i just type up and igain auto root |
| 01:57.01 | robobox | (pre-2010 one, anyway) |
| 01:57.02 | TaZeR | no pw no fuss |
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| 01:57.37 | sney | it's a tool, it does what it's supposed to. but there's too many docs and posts framing it as the magic "give me what I want" button, and even developers/admins who should know better are living in 2021 with a crappy understanding of *nix privilege separation |
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| 02:00.47 | Mr_Queue | I actually have a shell function to strip sudo from all the copy/paste stuff I find to install stuff.. |
| 02:01.48 | phogg | that's a terribly good idea |
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| 02:02.51 | ratrace | that could also accidentaly backfire |
| 02:03.17 | phogg | at least it will backfire as an unprivileged user |
| 02:04.05 | ratrace | that's actually the fire that's backing up. sudo is used for more than just elevating to root |
| 02:04.20 | ratrace | it's often used to change to another unprivileged, or even less privileged, user |
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| 02:07.19 | riff-IRC | sney: https://www.sifive.com/boards/hifive-unmatched |
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| 02:16.35 | asenm | Hello, folks! I have the following errors in dmesg [ 8277.175241] Buffer I/O error on device mtdblock0, logical block 0 [ 8277.186081] end_request: I/O error, dev mtdblock0, sector 0 [ 8277.191689] FAT-fs (mtdblock0): unable to read boot sector however i don't see this device being mounted ... mount output here: https://pastebin.com/NkE1cw8R |
| 02:16.35 | asenm | lsblk output here:https://pastebin.com/iy4kcbC3 how can i figure what the problem is and if this is in fact a problem? |
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| 02:19.22 | quadrathoch2 | asenm did you use badblocks to see if you got bad blocks? |
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| 02:19.42 | asenm | quadrathoch2 not really didnt know i can do that |
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| 02:22.10 | asenm | quadrathoch2 https://pastebin.com/0jqihidZ seems like i do have some bad blocks? |
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| 02:23.03 | quadrathoch2 | asenm are thos all the ones it found? |
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| 02:31.05 | sney | riff-IRC: ahh, cool. anyway, it looks like the debian-specific resources are here: https://wiki.debian.org/RISC-V including a specific irc channel on oftc (note, right now you are on freenode). maybe you found this already. it doesn't look like there's much gpu/desktop progress yet. |
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| 02:34.28 | riff-IRC | yep, have had a look at that |
| 02:35.08 | riff-IRC | from how I'm interpreting that, it seems that Debian is only able to come up to a console on it |
| 02:36.18 | sney | that's what's documented on that page, though it's been over a year since the last entry, so you should look at the linked mailing list and specific channel to find out the current status |
| 02:36.24 | riff-IRC | ok |
| 02:36.31 | sney | in any case, a general support channel like #debian is unlikely to have much for you. |
| 02:36.36 | riff-IRC | ok |
| 02:37.07 | riff-IRC | I would order one to play with, but I don't have $700 of money that I'm willing to burn at a moment's notice |
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| 02:38.16 | sney | nod, there's often a barrier like that for early adoption. it's exciting stuff though. I'm hoping to pick up something risc-v before long. |
| 02:39.00 | riff-IRC | yeah, it's likely not gonna be long before ARM/RISC-V begin competing against x86_64 in the desktop world |
| 02:39.08 | riff-IRC | s/begin/begins |
| 02:40.51 | riff-IRC | saw one article where a company got an experimental RISC-V CPU running at 5GHz clock speed, drawing only 1W of power at 1.1V core voltage |
| 02:41.17 | riff-IRC | not sure if it had any load on it when those measurements were taken or if it was just idling |
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| 02:43.16 | sney | I think I saw that one too. I try not to take stuff like that too seriously, since development boards with who-knows-what special optimizations are not really reflective of real world performance. it'll be interesting to see. |
| 02:43.24 | riff-IRC | yep |
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| 02:44.00 | riff-IRC | ARM is demolishing Intel in the server market, and AMD has some serious competition as a result |
| 02:44.58 | asenm | How can i check where this is [ 32.556547] imx2-wdt 20bc000.wdog: Unexpected close: Expect reboot! coming? |
| 02:45.00 | riff-IRC | and that's trickling down from the server market to the consumer market, leading AMD to continue to make massive performance leaps (and blow Intel away at the price/performance/heat/power ratio) |
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| 02:46.45 | quadrathoch2 | riff-IRC I thought it was really interesting (the 5ghz cpu) but sadly they removed alot of functions out of the package (for example the cpu couldn't divide) |
| 02:47.06 | sney | asenm: it looks like imx2-wdt is a watchdog driver, with some info here: https://developer.toradex.com/knowledge-base/watchdog-linux it is probably a quirk specific to your device |
| 02:47.59 | asenm | sney exactly its watchdog, but i don't know how to figure out what is doing |
| 02:47.59 | riff-IRC | quadrathoch2: oh, so pretty useless then... likely just a PoC demonstrating that they can A) get a working CPU B) It's capable of sustaining high clock speeds C) it doesn't require a nuclear reactor to operate |
| 02:48.18 | riff-IRC | Intel's 11th gen is only good for laughing at- 3-8% performance gains in a single-core synthetic test for 15W+ TDP increase |
| 02:48.25 | riff-IRC | er, 150W |
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| 02:48.41 | quadrathoch2 | i mean still impressive, but real world usage :/ |
| 02:49.00 | riff-IRC | yeah |
| 02:49.19 | quadrathoch2 | and wasn't it some milliwatts? not 1w |
| 02:49.22 | quadrathoch2 | can't remember |
| 02:49.40 | quadrathoch2 | i don't know why they would remove divide :/ i guess it was too costly |
| 02:50.01 | riff-IRC | So of all the stuff they removed, it was to cripple the ALU? |
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| 02:50.18 | riff-IRC | Lemme rephrase that |
| 02:50.33 | riff-IRC | So of all the stuff they did, they decided to cripple the ALU? |
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| 02:54.22 | quadrathoch2 | riff-IRC i don't understand it either |
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| 02:57.50 | riff-IRC | yeah, I'd like to see real-world performance |
| 02:58.45 | quadrathoch2 | riff-IRC but what I even hope for more is that wd and seagate contribute back |
| 02:59.18 | quadrathoch2 | oh and alibaba |
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| 02:59.38 | riff-IRC | such as watching some YouTube in 1080p60 in one window, HexChat in another window, connected using a common USB WiFi adapter, copying some files between 2 external HDDs, all with an AMD RX580 card attached. On a popular Linux-based OS. |
| 03:00.43 | quadrathoch2 | riff-IRC sadly that will still take awhile. i could see bigger jumps _if_ alibaba returns the favor of sharing their improvements (as they want to use them in the cloud) but who knows :/ |
| 03:00.57 | riff-IRC | nods |
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| 05:28.25 | mehwork | In the past, i used to put `C-_:unix-filename-rubout` in ~/.inputrc so i could type ctrl+/ to delete to the last / on a line. But it's not working on my new debian 10 box. Any idea why? |
| 05:28.53 | mehwork | i did switch to using zsh as my shell so maybe that's interfering |
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| 07:14.11 | NetTerminalGene | which package should i install to get netstat command? |
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| 07:15.55 | rotaticus | apt-file ... then learn how search works ... then try apt-file search netstat |
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| 07:18.33 | NetTerminalGene | nevermind, i found it |
| 07:19.06 | rk4 | yay for not spoon feeding |
| 07:19.44 | rotaticus | i just learned ... |
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| 07:19.48 | rk4 | it's easier to spoon feed, but i think for all involved it develops bad habits |
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| 07:46.29 | EdePopede | doesn't debian support locale settings for individual users? must everything be done with system files in /etc? |
| 07:47.02 | EdePopede | or are there packages to install before things become localized? |
| 07:47.32 | EdePopede | gcal still starts with sunday and is in english, ls errors also. |
| 07:48.41 | EdePopede | `locale` has updated values after changing LANG, only LANGUAGE is still "en_US:en" (which looks odd and was different from the rest) but there's no effect. |
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| 07:56.06 | EdePopede | srsly, google sucks. as usual, even asking explicitely for debian, it starts with a result for ubuntu. 3rd entry: https://wiki.debian.org/ChangeLanguage |
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| 07:56.52 | EdePopede | which is a pretty chaotic article. |
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| 08:18.48 | unixbsd | Well, Ubuntu replaces many Debian places in development. |
| 08:19.40 | unixbsd | By dint of trying, 5G will come up with ads. It is ads that rules. Same, for Google, since Linux is into the hands of Google. Nothing good can results. Look the dev of debian? Systemd why? no real reason. |
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| 08:23.40 | Haohmaru | what's going on here? |
| 08:23.52 | EdePopede | well, google is owned by an insanely rich guy, ubuntu is owned by an insanely rich guy. i'm not surprised google prefers ubuntu over debian. |
| 08:24.06 | EdePopede | and tbh, the debian wiki is a real usability desaster. |
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| 08:24.51 | EdePopede | just tested the welcome message on the german startpage (en: is totally different). 226 characters in the 1st line. |
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| 08:26.13 | EdePopede | was looking into https://wiki.debian.org/ChangeLanguage before, no TOC and i can't really se an overall structure. |
| 08:26.48 | dupin | hi! xfce4-weather-plugin doesn´t work in debian stable is it just me or someone else have same issue |
| 08:27.03 | EdePopede | ouch. what looks like maybe <h6> really is just bold text as i was expecting. |
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| 08:28.24 | EdePopede | Haohmaru: new day, new issues :) (and all the left ones from yesteryear) |
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| 08:29.43 | unixbsd | Well, the problem is that Google endanger the future of Debian, based on Linux. Is big companies are involved, we know the next stop. Skynet ;) |
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| 08:33.39 | EdePopede | debian uses linux, i wouldn't say it's based on it. |
| 08:34.35 | unixbsd | If debian would run on a cleaner BSD kernel, why not then? |
| 08:34.59 | azeem | EdePopede: what do you mean "google prefers ubuntu over debian", they switched back to Debian for their in-house distribution a couple of years ago |
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| 08:35.28 | EdePopede | azeem: internally maybe, but search results are clearly against debian |
| 08:35.37 | azeem | oh, it was about search results |
| 08:36.04 | azeem | can't argue with the algorithm[tm] |
| 08:36.07 | EdePopede | may be they have some internal ranking, and then i really wouldn't be surprized, other wikis are often better than debian's :( |
| 08:36.57 | EdePopede | but good to know, google should have good arguments when switching its base. |
| 08:37.43 | EdePopede | *fp* https://stackshare.io/linux-kernel/alternatives |
| 08:37.53 | dupin | maybe next time until then bye |
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| 08:38.02 | EdePopede | another useless use of webspace |
| 08:39.06 | unixbsd | In stable, there are problems with supertuxkart and ioquake3. I just recompiled myself from source. it works. Both packages need to be remade for stable and testing debian. segmentation fault or problem with GL. |
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| 08:41.23 | EdePopede | debian ain't a rolling distro, so maybe don't expect a new version for stable soon. |
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| 08:48.26 | Haohmaru | who even uses google websearch |
| 08:49.12 | azeem | my new year's resolution (besides drinking a bit less) was switching from google to duck-duck-go in Firefox |
| 08:50.11 | quadrathoch2 | azeem just as a headsup, you need to change the way you search. I did the switch about 5 years ago |
| 08:50.52 | jelly | my resolution was 3840x2160 |
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| 08:51.07 | jelly | and drinking MORE |
| 08:51.17 | Haohmaru | mine is 1080x1920 |
| 08:51.51 | jelly | you must like that Friends episode |
| 08:51.59 | jelly | PIVOT |
| 08:53.09 | Haohmaru | in .bg, they don't say the names of the episodes |
| 08:53.30 | Haohmaru | it's dubbed |
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| 08:54.11 | jelly | it was all subbed in .hr (and previously in .yu) |
| 08:54.19 | Haohmaru | my firefox needs to be slapped |
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| 08:55.23 | jelly | helped learning English quite a bit. Does ddg have logical AND, OR, NOT in search syntax? Google seems to have dropped it years ago |
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| 08:56.21 | Haohmaru | https://help.duckduckgo.com/duckduckgo-help-pages/results/syntax/ |
| 08:58.44 | jelly | in short, "no" |
| 08:59.25 | Haohmaru | therefore you will receive compensation |
| 08:59.34 | Haohmaru | adds moar +cats to jelly's search |
| 08:59.59 | n4dir | "drinking more" "helped learning English quite a bit". the net sure is weird |
| 09:00.19 | Haohmaru | i assume he means drinking more water |
| 09:00.30 | n4dir | blasphemy ! |
| 09:01.12 | Haohmaru | i haven't drank water today |
| 09:01.19 | Haohmaru | just some pepsi |
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| 09:07.03 | inode64 | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:07.25 | rk4 | EdePopede: does https://superuser.com/questions/392439/lang-and-language-environment-variable-in-debian-based-systems help, i didn't google...i ddged |
| 09:07.33 | rk4 | which i think is equiv to binging |
| 09:10.39 | EdePopede | heh yes, didn't see this one. maybe DDG is really a better choice for Debian. stat collectors to the arms! |
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| 09:11.53 | EdePopede | yay, ls at least is localized now |
| 09:13.01 | EdePopede | and so ist gcal, uses columns now with localized long names instead of rows with short english names. only still starting on sundays :) |
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| 09:20.23 | Haohmaru | hey. my calendar also begins on sunday, how do i change that |
| 09:20.36 | jelly | n4dir, the subtitles helped, not the drinking. Well the drinking helped indirectly as well. |
| 09:20.50 | jelly | Haohmaru, which tool are you using for the calendar |
| 09:20.53 | n4dir | :-) just kidding. |
| 09:21.17 | n4dir | i started learning English with subtitles too, btw. Great way to learn a language. |
| 09:21.19 | Haohmaru | jelly no idea, it's from lxpanel "Digital Clock" |
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| 09:22.33 | jelly | Haohmaru, and does your locale have a week starting on Sunday or Monday or what? |
| 09:23.26 | Haohmaru | no idea |
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| 09:24.16 | Haohmaru | i use english coz i cannot deal with computers in my native language, that's just wrong |
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| 09:25.39 | jelly | Haohmaru, pick an en_* locale that has weeks starting on Mon, at least for LC_TIME, and hope your tool looks at that |
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| 09:25.57 | rotaticus | i'd like to have a holocene calender displayed or a discordian |
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| 09:26.54 | jelly | Haohmaru, eg. less /usr/share/i18n/locales/en_GB ---> first_weekday 2 |
| 09:27.17 | Haohmaru | is that a command? |
| 09:27.26 | jelly | less is a command. |
| 09:27.54 | jelly | for looking at text files. That was an instruction on how to find a suitable locale. |
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| 09:28.09 | jelly | so presumably en_GB.UTF-8 would have weeks starting on Monday |
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| 09:31.43 | Haohmaru | how do i close this thing now :~( |
| 09:31.55 | n4dir | q |
| 09:32.12 | n4dir | with the key "q". Like quite |
| 09:33.51 | brigand | $ grep abday /usr/share/i18n/locales/en_GB |
| 09:33.51 | brigand | abday "Sun";"Mon";"Tue";"Wed";"Thu";"Fri";"Sat" |
| 09:34.57 | brigand | hm, de_DE seems similar |
| 09:35.22 | pasiz | brigand: all seems similar, first_weekday tells what day starts the week in locale |
| 09:35.28 | brigand | but en_US doesn't mention "first" or "week" |
| 09:35.41 | pasiz | first_weekday is default to 1 |
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| 09:36.17 | brigand | oh, i see. thanks |
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| 09:37.12 | EdePopede | abday "<U0053><U0075><U006E>";"<U004D><U006F><U006E>";/ |
| 09:37.17 | EdePopede | err.. what?! |
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| 09:38.00 | EdePopede | i thought they defined sunday as either 0 or 7 |
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| 09:38.57 | Haohmaru | those are exotic chars |
| 09:39.21 | Haohmaru | in bg_BG first_weekday is 2 |
| 09:40.05 | EdePopede | no idea why, maybe because oldstable? could check the other one |
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| 10:04.23 | EdePopede | coda: man 5 locale. there the notes and the list above it. it's all odd. |
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| 10:11.08 | jelly | EdePopede, printf '\u0053\u0075\u006E ; \u004D\u006F\u006E\n' |
| 10:11.37 | brigand | cool |
| 10:12.46 | NetTerminalGene | guys, didn't buster come with gimp by default? with default installer (the iso you download from the main page) (and choosing gnome in installing stage) |
| 10:13.22 | netcrash | I had to install. |
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| 10:16.03 | EdePopede | jelly: why may they have used this notation? |
| 10:16.46 | EdePopede | and then it's only the first 2 entries. no idea if using all days in en_GB is necessary, really have to dig into it |
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| 10:24.27 | quadrathoch2 | NetTerminalGene no, that was in the past |
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| 10:25.07 | NetTerminalGene | quadrathoch2: that's great |
| 10:25.19 | NetTerminalGene | i like this way |
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| 10:31.00 | brigand | NetTerminalGene: gimp, gimp-data and libgimp are on dvd1 |
| 10:31.32 | BCMM | you can check by looking at the deps of https://packages.debian.org/buster/task-gnome-desktop |
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| 10:50.52 | EdePopede | i would really like to see an interactive graph visualization of the deps. |
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| 10:58.19 | tarzeau | EdePopede: something like http://sid.ethz.ch/appstore/?lusernet.app ? |
| 11:00.25 | EdePopede | tarzeau: no, that's the classic debtree/dot powerteam. replaced aptitude here, the only reason i would have kept it would have been using dependency trees during decisions. but opening this tab crashed it xD |
| 11:00.51 | EdePopede | what i meant is the model they use to visualize social dependencies. |
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| 11:01.53 | EdePopede | https://neo4j.com/blog/creative-network-science-graph-commons-neo4j-graphconnect/ |
| 11:02.15 | EdePopede | where you can zoom and grab nodes and follow a path |
| 11:03.17 | EdePopede | disadvantage: their httpd throws a 500 :D |
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| 11:30.25 | tmm88 | i am having trouble setting up wifi drivers |
| 11:30.33 | tmm88 | when i install debian buster 10 |
| 11:30.49 | tmm88 | i am running on an acer predator helios 300 |
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| 11:31.31 | quadrathoch2 | tmm88 and what issues do you have? |
| 11:31.43 | piotr_ | I wonder why on Debian EVERYTHING by default must work always a bit different |
| 11:32.00 | tmm88 | i already installed broadcom driver |
| 11:32.09 | Filystyn | just to shovel you dirt in cogs and waste your time |
| 11:32.11 | tmm88 | and ran mobprob |
| 11:32.43 | tmm88 | modprob i mean |
| 11:33.05 | tmm88 | but the icon for the wifi interface |
| 11:33.07 | NetTerminalGene | i installed a qt kde app on my gnome but apps theme isn't look good. which package should i install? |
| 11:33.09 | quadrathoch2 | Filystyn what do you mean? |
| 11:33.11 | tmm88 | is not showing up |
| 11:33.38 | quadrathoch2 | does the mod load (and used)? tmm88 |
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| 11:34.07 | tmm88 | i ran it with sudo command apparently yes but no wifi icon |
| 11:34.07 | Filystyn | everything. Popular soft? We have our own default config |
| 11:34.24 | Filystyn | Just so ebery basic info on net be garbage unless it's debian |
| 11:34.36 | quadrathoch2 | tmm88 can you please post your output of lsmod to paste.debian.net |
| 11:35.09 | quadrathoch2 | NetTerminalGene you would need to configure your qt app to adjust to the gtk theme |
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| 11:35.49 | quadrathoch2 | Filystyn so? i mean the maintainers think the default should be different. (but honestly didn't find too many which were so different) |
| 11:36.56 | tmm88 | https://hastebin.com/xahojuwewi.apache |
| 11:37.11 | tmm88 | quadrathoch2: here you have |
| 11:37.28 | Filystyn | so that |
| 11:37.52 | Filystyn | I can complain? I am not the one who chosen this debian |
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| 11:38.16 | tmm88 | debian is not a piece of cake system |
| 11:38.31 | tmm88 | its difficulty threshold is somewhere between ubuntu and arch |
| 11:38.37 | quadrathoch2 | tmm88 which wifi device do you have (the module is loaded, but not claimed) |
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| 11:39.05 | tmm88 | so if you are complaining about debian install ubuntu and if debian is not enough for you go for arch |
| 11:39.51 | Filystyn | I don't use debian at all |
| 11:40.24 | Filystyn | But I am kind of left to use it as server. Fucking providers |
| 11:40.41 | quadrathoch2 | !language |
| 11:40.41 | dpkg | it has been said that language is a wonderful fucking thing that should be used properly. Every time you hurt grammar, a <kali> user joins. To the scientists, language is god. See <$lang>, <language per user>. |
| 11:40.58 | quadrathoch2 | and this is a support channel not complain channel :p |
| 11:41.00 | pasiz | tmm88: in install phase or after install |
| 11:41.03 | tmm88 | 00:14.3 Network controller: Intel Corporation Wireless-AC 9560 [Jefferson Peak] (rev 10) |
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| 11:41.15 | pasiz | tmm88: did you grab install media with non free firmwares |
| 11:41.25 | quadrathoch2 | tmm88 and why would you install the broadcom driver then? |
| 11:41.39 | tmm88 | i also tried non free |
| 11:41.46 | pasiz | quadrathoch2: i think that's missing firmware problem |
| 11:41.48 | tmm88 | but it didn't install all the drivers |
| 11:41.54 | tmm88 | let me try it again |
| 11:42.16 | quadrathoch2 | pasiz he came in here and said he installed the broadcom driver because of wifi... idk, intel is not broadcom I know that |
| 11:42.33 | tmm88 | i have it install |
| 11:42.34 | pasiz | tmm88: so did you initiate install via unofficial non-free image |
| 11:42.35 | quadrathoch2 | tmm88 you need to upgrade the kernel to the buster-backports one + firmware-iwlwifi |
| 11:43.12 | tmm88 | i already upgraded the kernel |
| 11:43.19 | tmm88 | let me try this firmware |
| 11:43.26 | quadrathoch2 | use the one from backports |
| 11:43.40 | pasiz | tmm88: when installing to laptop, i would suggest using: https://cdimage.debian.org/images/unofficial/non-free/images-including-firmware/ |
| 11:43.54 | pasiz | so you have your wifi up in install phase too |
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| 11:44.52 | tmm88 | i already installed it correctly |
| 11:44.57 | quadrathoch2 | pasiz doesn't help, as his wifi card is too new |
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| 11:45.27 | tmm88 | so now how shall i activate the driver |
| 11:45.31 | tmm88 | using modprob |
| 11:46.24 | quadrathoch2 | modprobe iwlwifi, but that's already loaded |
| 11:46.57 | nkuttler | does the policy document the usage of /bin /sbin as symlinks somewhere? |
| 11:47.28 | tmm88 | i already did it |
| 11:47.40 | tmm88 | so now logging out and trying to connect right |
| 11:47.41 | tmm88 | ? |
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| 11:49.17 | quadrathoch2 | nkuttler i guess you would find that in the FHS |
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| 11:49.59 | tmm88 | heyho |
| 11:50.15 | tmm88 | how are you all alligator sprankenstein ubber ubber alligator |
| 11:50.15 | tmm88 | ? |
| 11:50.26 | pasiz | ?? |
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| 11:50.35 | pasiz | tmm88: did you get it work |
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| 11:51.34 | pasiz | tmm88: you get intels own firmware for your card at: https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000005511/network-and-io/wireless.html |
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| 12:30.48 | Filystyn | The crap is beyondme |
| 12:31.05 | Filystyn | apt installs soft and then the soft tells me it needs packet to work |
| 12:31.18 | Filystyn | So I look for it and it's only to get as dependency. |
| 12:31.33 | Filystyn | But nononoonono not just and works. 1/5 worked |
| 12:31.39 | ratrace | what? |
| 12:31.46 | Filystyn | any** not and |
| 12:31.52 | ratrace | what's "soft"? |
| 12:32.20 | Filystyn | Trying to make php work on apache. Simply stupid apache + php |
| 12:32.29 | nkuttler | !errors |
| 12:32.29 | dpkg | If you don't tell us the exact error messages you get, we can't tell you what's wrong, and it's also useful to know exactly what command you're typing. Please look for the *first* error that occurs, as this is often the cause of later errors -- ask me about <localized errors> too. Please don't paste in the channel, use a pastebin instead; ask me about <pastebin>. |
| 12:32.32 | Filystyn | nothing more. apachectl told me I need www-browser |
| 12:32.46 | Filystyn | dillo netsurf, and few other *have it* but only the lynx one worked |
| 12:32.47 | ratrace | Filystyn: perhaps you should go back to square one and nice and slow explain exactly what you're doing and what's erroring and how. |
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| 12:33.09 | Filystyn | how sick and fucked up it is is beyondme |
| 12:33.20 | Filystyn | How you can call this automated installation |
| 12:33.28 | ratrace | are you a chatbot? |
| 12:33.41 | Filystyn | Don't call that crap good system just it's popular |
| 12:33.43 | nkuttler | if you don't want help you can go to #debian-offtopic |
| 12:33.46 | Filystyn | IM DONE |
| 12:33.48 | ratrace | chatbot. |
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| 12:33.53 | nkuttler | !next |
| 12:33.53 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 12:33.56 | ratrace | heh |
| 12:34.42 | ratrace | maybe they should've just apt install ubuntu :) |
| 12:34.52 | nkuttler | or not use php |
| 12:35.46 | ratrace | ideally no. but if they must ..... nginx + php_fpm is hugely better option. |
| 12:37.59 | ScribusP | i am still not over this problem on windows 10, that you cant assign hotkeys that switch to whatever workspace you like |
| 12:38.38 | ratrace | ScribusP: and you're definitely in the wrong channel for that problem. |
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| 12:39.06 | ScribusP | no, no. this channel kind of helps by providing an alternative operating system where these hotkeys work |
| 12:39.19 | ratrace | we can only answer to debian specific issues. |
| 12:39.53 | ScribusP | you send users away and sometimes they bounce back |
| 12:40.16 | ratrace | and then they get permabanned. |
| 12:40.32 | ScribusP | if thats your only solution |
| 12:41.11 | ratrace | for people who insist on offtopic, unrelated to debian, talk, despite being warned and "sent away", so they come back and persist? yup. |
| 12:41.22 | ScribusP | you seem to fail to understand what i am actually saying |
| 12:41.23 | ScribusP | lets stop |
| 12:41.25 | ratrace | so anyway. do you have a debian issue someone here can help with? |
| 12:41.31 | ScribusP | forget it |
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| 12:44.23 | ScribusP | small (and last) side note for my log: this guy is an unaffiliated user, not a developer and not a channel moderator |
| 12:45.00 | ratrace | lol |
| 12:45.25 | ratrace | you don't know if I am or am not a debian contributor. I don't affilate myself on IRC with any project |
| 12:45.39 | ScribusP | no more comments from my side |
| 12:45.57 | ratrace | awesome. |
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| 12:48.56 | RadoS | sighs. |
| 12:49.26 | RadoS | ... o O ( why can't all people not simply get along?! ;-) ) |
| 12:49.47 | ScribusP | because of the 16 core personalities |
| 12:50.36 | RadoS | They're fine, you just have to know how to rub them in the right direction. ;-) |
| 12:51.00 | ScribusP | the right direction for most linux people is "MY DAMN WAY" |
| 12:51.46 | RadoS | To outsiders this may appear so, but in fact it's often "the efficient/ effective" way. |
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| 12:51.58 | RadoS | ... and much depends on mood of the day. |
| 12:52.23 | ScribusP | you would be stunned how creative people get to claim their ways |
| 12:52.48 | ScribusP | some would sit on a chat room and wait for the right moment to talk bad about other users |
| 12:52.56 | ratrace | So the takeway here is that ScribusP has no debian issue, and just wants to complain about #debian not answering to their demands to support their Windows 10? |
| 12:53.12 | ScribusP | or take this ratrace person |
| 12:53.12 | RadoS | In your case you wanted to be funny, but the "joke" didn't arrive well. |
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| 12:54.14 | ScribusP | he tries 2-3 times to trigger a cyber cop to get me in trouble instead of fixing his ego problem |
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| 12:54.31 | ratrace | lol not at all, if I were trying to trigger a cyber cop, I'd do this: |
| 12:54.36 | ratrace | !ops ScribusP wants your attention |
| 12:54.36 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall, bremner: ratrace complains about a problem (see above) |
| 12:54.55 | ScribusP | yeah, like wanting attention would be anything bad *clue* |
| 12:54.58 | RadoS | ... o O ( hmm, good to know. :-) ) |
| 12:55.47 | ScribusP | ratrace: your lack of emotional intelligence is disgusting |
| 12:56.43 | RadoS | Hmm... maybe it's no lack but choice not to apply it? |
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| 12:57.22 | ScribusP | RadoS: you liked how he pointed at the rules and that made you join is side? |
| 12:57.30 | ScribusP | is/his |
| 12:57.40 | ScribusP | but no clue whats going on? |
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| 12:59.30 | ratrace | perhaps we should go back to Debian support now. if you have an issue with debian, please describe it, we'd be happy to help. |
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| 12:59.58 | ScribusP | indeed, one of the best punishments is when you leave the rule nazis on their own |
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| 13:10.51 | ratrace | feels punished because the channel is back on topic now. |
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| 13:54.58 | idl0r | hey, i need libpthread.so with debug symbols. i tried to install libc6-dbg but that doesn't ship the library and the debug info it provides, doesn't seem to be sufficient, at least gdb can't find any useful symbols. any ideas? |
| 13:56.21 | azeem | you can see whether the dbgsym package helps |
| 13:56.37 | azeem | but it could be that libpthread is too low-level for gdb to be very useful, not sure |
| 13:57.06 | azeem | idl0r: in any case, why do you need it? It's pretty unlikely there's an issue in libpthread unless you are on a very exotic architecture |
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| 14:01.39 | idl0r | azeem: well, we have a program that crashes and generates a cordump where only pthread stuff is shown but without debug symbols, i can't get any useful information about it |
| 14:02.43 | idl0r | there is no dbgsym package for amd64 though, at least I couldn't find it |
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| 14:03.03 | azeem | it could be that libc6 is special, yeah |
| 14:03.11 | azeem | but again, I doubt it's a pthread issue |
| 14:03.23 | idl0r | there's one for i386 :( |
| 14:03.40 | idl0r | it's probably not but it hopefully helps to track down the actual issue |
| 14:04.32 | azeem | that crashing program is from some vendor or is it from a Debian package? |
| 14:04.54 | azeem | you can try to run it under gdb and see whether it crashes then as well |
| 14:05.27 | idl0r | some vendor |
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| 14:11.32 | Stove | Hello, I'm using the docker image "debian:buster" and want to install he kernel headers "apt-get install -y linux-headers-$(uname -r)" but return "Unable to locate package linux-headers-4.19.0-10-amd64" |
| 14:12.35 | Stove | Is the docker image out of date? Why is this header version removed from the repo? |
| 14:19.23 | pasiz | Stove: so what does "apt search linux-headers-$(uname -r)" return |
| 14:19.32 | Stove | nothing |
| 14:19.36 | Stove | -10 does not exist |
| 14:19.39 | Stove | -11 does |
| 14:19.57 | Stove | -9 does too |
| 14:20.23 | pasiz | did you try apt update -> upgrade before that |
| 14:20.36 | Stove | yes, both |
| 14:20.54 | pasiz | and reboot after that? |
| 14:21.02 | Stove | it's a Dockerfile |
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| 14:22.01 | pasiz | restarting maybe then, if correct |
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| 14:24.01 | Stove | you can't restart during the build phase.. |
| 14:25.08 | store_scarecrow | Do just uname -r and see what it says you have. |
| 14:26.10 | Stove | 4.19.0-10-amd64 |
| 14:27.28 | wwilliam | what would be the best command to see what is taking space in let's say /var? |
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| 14:28.00 | jolt | wwilliam: I usually just do df -hs /var/* |
| 14:29.19 | Stove | And how is it possible that debian:buster and debian:stretch have the same kernel version? |
| 14:31.03 | Stove | Right, nvm because it's docker it uses the kernel of the host, ofc |
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| 14:32.38 | otisolsen70 | Any idea why I keep seeing warnings such as these in syslog? "systemd[1]: /lib/systemd/system/smbd.service:9: PIDFile= references path below legacy directory /var/run/, updating /var/run/samba/smbd.pid â /run/samba/smbd.pid; please update the unit file accordingly" bigger log exerpt: http://paste.yt/p13249.html |
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| 14:33.00 | otisolsen70 | What do I need to do in order to fix this? And why is this not handled by the .deb packages upon updates? |
| 14:34.48 | Stove | So pasiz you were probably right, I didn't reboot my host after doing upgrade and the docker image uses the kernel of the host |
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| 14:40.38 | wwilliam | Thank you jolt |
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| 14:41.23 | wwilliam | df -hs /var/* |
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| 14:42.37 | wwilliam | df: invalid option -- 's' |
| 14:43.18 | wwilliam | df --version |
| 14:43.19 | wwilliam | df (GNU coreutils) 8.30 |
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| 14:44.11 | jmaher | can i make something in a bash script which acts like a temporary file, without actually needing to create a temporary file? |
| 14:44.37 | ratrace | wwilliam: it's du, not df |
| 14:44.49 | ratrace | jolt made a typo. du -sh |
| 14:45.09 | jolt | sorry |
| 14:45.17 | jolt | always :/ |
| 14:46.38 | jmaher | also, I've tried: exec 3<> foo ; echo "test" >&3 ; cat <&3 <--- but this doesn't give the contents of the file - how do i get stuff out of the file descriptor? |
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| 15:00.29 | jmaher | ok - I've worked out how to get stuff out of the file descriptor - but what I really want to do is run rsync --exclude-file= but instead of using a file use soe sort of temporary file descriptor - is there some way to di that? |
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| 15:03.53 | greentree47 | are there any noob friendly commands for upgrading distros |
| 15:04.03 | Brigo | jmaher, what's the problem with a temporary file? |
| 15:04.03 | greentree47 | i think a derivative distro had something like `do-release-upgrade` |
| 15:04.41 | wwilliam | ratrace: thank you |
| 15:04.43 | wsky | greentree47: just adjust your sources.list and di dist-upgrade |
| 15:04.45 | Brigo | greentree47, not that i am aware of |
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| 15:05.17 | wsky | do* |
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| 15:05.29 | jhutchins | jolt: Perhaps you meant du, not df. |
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| 15:05.38 | GNU\colossus | greentree47, read the https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/releasenotes |
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| 15:06.19 | wwilliam | ok and how do i sort biggest to smallest by G then M? |
| 15:06.52 | zykotick9 | wwilliam: i find ncdu very handy as a program to do what you wish |
| 15:07.04 | jhutchins | ratrace: Ah, I see you already caught that. |
| 15:07.19 | ratrace | mmh-hm |
| 15:07.19 | jhutchins | The scrollbuffer is not my friend. |
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| 15:18.35 | gnat_x | wwilliam: du -h |sort -h |
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| 15:25.03 | mehwork | if a symlink points to a file like ~/foo/bar/file.txt is there a way to jump to the dir that symlink's file is in? |
| 15:26.23 | ratrace | mehwork: cd realpath yoursymlink |
| 15:26.57 | mehwork | i'm not following (pun not intended) |
| 15:27.15 | ratrace | ugh... cd $(dirname $(realpath yoursymlink)) |
| 15:27.29 | wwilliam | gnat_x: thank you so much |
| 15:27.32 | mehwork | oh wow never heard of realpath |
| 15:27.41 | mehwork | i was trying dirname without it |
| 15:27.43 | mehwork | thanks |
| 15:27.56 | wwilliam | I did this one: |
| 15:27.57 | wwilliam | du -sh /var/*|sort -r -h |
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| 15:28.05 | wwilliam | do i get the G first. |
| 15:29.21 | wwilliam | I do* |
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| 15:32.02 | gnat_x | wwilliam: if you read the man pages for both `sort` and `du` you'll see `-h` in du it converts to human readable formats, and in sort it interprets those formats (rather than asciibetical default) |
| 15:32.38 | gnat_x | i was so happy when -h was added to sort. |
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| 15:34.51 | wwilliam | gnat_x: thanks |
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| 15:39.37 | jhutchins | gnat_x: Interesting. I haven't used sort much outside of vi in recent years. |
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| 15:41.01 | gnat_x | wwilliam: one other thing that makes du much more useful. -d which limits recursion depth. |
| 15:41.22 | wwilliam | OK. Thanks |
| 15:41.41 | gnat_x | jhutchins: yeah, super useful as part of the tool kit for digging around in things like log files. |
| 15:41.55 | gnat_x | particularly when paired with uniq. |
| 15:42.24 | gnat_x | and grep or awk of course. |
| 15:42.49 | mehwork | ratrace: any idea how to get the $1 to interpolate when i try to script it: cd $(dirname $(realpath "$1")) |
| 15:44.12 | jhutchins | Yeah, I did a lot of stepping through /var with du -sh to find logs that weren't being maintained. There was one that I think was five years old and had never been truncated. "Ok, plenty of disk space now." I think they'd extended LVM three times. |
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| 15:47.10 | mehwork | i'd think this would work but it doesn't: cd $(dirname "$(realpath $1)") |
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| 15:54.27 | jolt | wwilliam: if you wanna sort by size, I do du -hsm /var/* |sort -nr, then you can use "head" to limit the top results |
| 15:55.12 | wwilliam | jolt: thank you I will test that also. |
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| 16:08.23 | ratrace | mehwork: eh, you put that in a script? |
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| 16:09.58 | ratrace | mehwork: it works for me. perhaps you're expecting the script to alter your cwd? you can't do that from a script, at least not with cd |
| 16:18.09 | jhutchins | Always use full, explicit paths in scripts. |
| 16:20.33 | ratrace | jhutchins: I think they're trying to create a tool that does a cd into symlink's realpath dir. thing is, a cd in a script is affecting only the subshell of that script, doesn't change the caller's CWD |
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| 17:00.47 | otisolsen70 | I keep seeing warnings such as these in syslog? "systemd[1]: /lib/systemd/system/smbd.service:9: PIDFile= references path below legacy directory /var/run/, updating /var/run/samba/smbd.pid â /run/samba/smbd.pid; please update the unit file accordingly" bigger log exerpt: http://paste.yt/p13249.html What do I need to do in order to fix this? And why is this not handled by the .deb packages upon updates? |
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| 17:06.24 | foxide | And quote your paths. That way errant spaces won't wipe out /usr or something. |
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| 17:15.54 | jmcnaught | otisolsen70: if your system is like mine then /var/run is a symlink to /run. I would not worry about the warning. |
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| 18:01.50 | ice9 | `sensors` was showing CPU temp however after I ran `sensors-detect`, CPU temp has disappeared from the results; any idea? |
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| 18:03.09 | wsky | ice9: remove the config files |
| 18:03.20 | wsky | of lm-sensors |
| 18:03.31 | hello-world-222 | im having trouble with my audio, i have headphones plugged in and they are detected but no audio is outputted |
| 18:03.41 | ice9 | wsky, amazing :D thanks |
| 18:03.47 | hello-world-222 | im using debian testing image with firmware installed |
| 18:04.07 | ice9 | wsky, but why sensors-detect isn't detecting the CPU? |
| 18:04.27 | wsky | no idea, buggy softeware |
| 18:04.30 | iterati | Hi. That https://wiki.winehq.org/Debian is applicable for sid too, they have builds for sid there ? |
| 18:04.33 | wsky | software.\ |
| 18:04.56 | Mister00X | iterati: Why not use the debian one |
| 18:05.42 | iterati | Mister00X: it stuck at 5.5 for a while |
| 18:06.06 | wsky | hello-world-222: what is you cpu and chipset? |
| 18:06.16 | wsky | just out of curiosity |
| 18:06.30 | sney | iterati: software for current-testing can generally be installed on sid too. |
| 18:07.20 | iterati | sney: thanks. I thought so. |
| 18:07.58 | hello-world-222 | wsky not sure, but i know the firmware is there and the audio has worked in the past |
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| 18:08.07 | hello-world-222 | so i had audio at some point |
| 18:08.16 | wsky | ah sorry |
| 18:08.21 | wsky | i meant ice9 |
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| 18:12.59 | ice9 | wsky, intel i5 6th gen |
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| 18:14.07 | wsky | ice9: and what chipset? |
| 18:14.11 | wiscii | sorry for this dumb q. but is this #debian or #debian-overflow ? |
| 18:14.37 | ice9 | wsky, what do you mean by chipset? |
| 18:14.45 | wsky | the mainboard chipset |
| 18:14.59 | ice9 | wsky, well it's a laptop, how can I figure out? |
| 18:15.57 | jmcnaught | wiscii: you are in #debian |
| 18:16.21 | wiscii | jmcnaught: ok thanks - my client is confusing me |
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| 18:18.09 | jmcnaught | ice9: to see the CPU temperature on Intel CPUs you need the 'coretemp' module loaded. 'lsmod' to list loaded modules, if it is not there, then 'modprobe coretemp' will load it. |
| 18:18.54 | jhutchins | ice9: Are you sure there is a CPU sensor? |
| 18:19.23 | ice9 | jhutchins, after I removed lm-sensors's config file, it's now showing the CPU temp just fine |
| 18:20.03 | jhutchins | ice9: REasonable reading? |
| 18:20.10 | ice9 | jhutchins, yeah |
| 18:23.13 | jhutchins | ice9: Well, if it ain't broke ... |
| 18:23.49 | ice9 | if the CPU's temp is 44C and the fan is spinning, is this reasonable or fan needs adjustment? |
| 18:24.19 | wsky | reasonable. you can test it by running a stress test |
| 18:24.30 | wsky | then you'll see what temo it can reach |
| 18:24.34 | wsky | temp* |
| 18:25.39 | wsky | ,stress |
| 18:25.43 | wsky | ,p stress |
| 18:25.45 | wsky | hm |
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| 18:29.22 | jmcnaught | ,i stress |
| 18:29.24 | judd | Package stress (devel, optional) in buster/amd64: tool to impose load on and stress test a computer system. Version: 1.0.4-4; Size: 21.3k; Installed: 54k; Homepage: http://people.seas.harvard.edu/~apw/stress; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/stress |
| 18:31.20 | cubemonkey | In Debian 10, is there a man page / doc for setting the number of simultaneous download threads apt-get uses? I've checked man pages for apt-get, apt_preferences, apt-cache, ... |
| 18:33.07 | jmcnaught | cubemonkey: try looking around in /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/configure-index.gz |
| 18:33.50 | cubemonkey | @jmcnaught OK, thank you. |
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| 18:42.42 | imbenx | test |
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| 18:52.09 | thorsten` | is there a metapackage with common command line tools? (e.g. lspci, lsusb). I've just noticed my install lacks lspci and so I'm wondering what else might be missing |
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| 18:54.45 | jmcnaught | thorsten`: maybe you deselected "standard system utilities" during the tasksel part of the installer? https://wiki.debian.org/tasksel#A.22standard.22_task |
| 18:55.32 | thorsten` | I've installed via debootstrap (so in a way, yes, I didn't select standard system utilities) |
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| 18:56.45 | jmcnaught | thorsten`: The above link has an aptitude search that lists those packages. You can read about what the priorities mean here: https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-archive.html#s-priorities |
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| 18:59.08 | gnat_x | thorsten`: coreutils and moreutils should have most of what you want. |
| 18:59.53 | thorsten` | jmcnaught: thanks for the doc! I've installed ~pstandard ~prequired ~pimportant and this seems to cover what was missing :) |
| 19:01.55 | thorsten` | gnat_x: thanks; i didn't know moreutils :) (I had coreutils fortunately) |
| 19:02.36 | gnat_x | it's a handy one. |
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| 19:06.29 | PipeItToDevNull | I have several debian servers, one has abysmal net speeds of less than 1 Mb. I am not sure where to even start looking for the culprit |
| 19:06.37 | thorsten` | nice, it even has a parallel that is different from gnu parallel (I always find the latter hard to use on a daily basis) |
| 19:07.45 | gnat_x | PipeItToDevNull: vmstat 1 the first line is summary. (if you terminal is wide, use the -w option for easy reading). |
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| 19:09.09 | PipeItToDevNull | 0 0 0 6520156 114728 1223332 0 0 7 89 36 105 0 1 98 0 0 |
| 19:09.09 | PipeItToDevNull | It doesnt mean too much to me |
| 19:09.23 | PipeItToDevNull | RAM is free, I stopped all services to have the box at idle |
| 19:09.33 | PipeItToDevNull | updated, rebooted several times with all services disabled |
| 19:09.53 | gnat_x | keep it running... watch bi bo (disk contention) as well as memory and cpu. |
| 19:10.35 | gnat_x | just to rule out that some other thing going on with the system. |
| 19:10.56 | PipeItToDevNull | I got 1 spike in BO to 4480, but it has since only hit 620 but mostly 0 |
| 19:11.17 | gnat_x | your disks are not the issue. |
| 19:11.29 | gnat_x | nor is ram i guess. |
| 19:12.15 | PipeItToDevNull | Looking at ID, I am at 90 or 100 which seems to mean the CPU is idle |
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| 19:12.30 | ratrace | PipeItToDevNull: install mtr-tiny and iperf3 and measure packet loss and bandwidth to several different points |
| 19:12.30 | gnat_x | are all your servers in the same cabinet? do you control that network? (thinking some sort of mis-configuration generated packet storm) |
| 19:12.52 | PipeItToDevNull | They are all on the same hypervisor, other servers get speeds of close to 200Mb (internet DL) |
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| 19:21.48 | otisolsen70_ | jmcgnh, /var/run is symlink to /run, yes. So I should ignore those warnings? |
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| 19:33.51 | jelangkung | sorry if oot but can antone download anything from java.com? been trying for weeks, no luck |
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| 20:08.35 | zutat | any 2020 or 2019 laptops? |
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| 20:10.17 | jhutchins | !java |
| 20:10.18 | dpkg | Java is a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun, now Oracle, has released most of its Java implementation under the GPL as <openjdk>. There are other implementations packaged; for Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" systems, Sun's JRE/JDK is in <non-free> (for i386, amd64 only). Ask me about <install java>. See also <java alternatives>, <icedtea>, <java ipv6>, <java-package>. http://wiki.debian.org/Java ##java on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 20:12.31 | jhutchins | PipeItToDevNull: See what ethtool tels you the card is set to. |
| 20:13.26 | jhutchins | PipeItToDevNull: Other VMs can have odd effects, particularly if there is resource contetntion. |
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| 20:53.09 | ahub | Hi, I've just finished packaging a software I like for arch. So I have the list of dependencies, the list of files to install and their destinations. I'd like to go one step further and make a .deb package too. What would be the shortest path ? |
| 20:53.54 | quadrathoch2 | ahub probably best to ask in #packaging on oftc.net |
| 20:54.35 | ahub | quadrathoch2: is it a channel specific to debian ? Or is it for any type of packaging ? |
| 20:54.46 | quadrathoch2 | specific to debian ahub |
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| 20:55.06 | ahub | thank you quadrathoch2 , I'll have a look there ! |
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| 21:00.36 | ratrace | ahub: also this https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/ |
| 21:01.14 | ahub | I saw that one, it's a bit daunting though. So I though I might ask ¯\_(ã)_/¯ |
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| 21:31.21 | dokma | What was the name of etc config file that specified which executable will handle an incoming request? |
| 21:31.49 | dokma | /etc/something.conf ... it's on the tip of my tounge but can't get it |
| 21:32.01 | sney | incoming request? inetd? |
| 21:32.03 | iterati | The font source code pro is not available in the official repos ? |
| 21:32.34 | dokma | sney: for example you could handle incoming mail either by starting a process through that file or run a daemon in the background |
| 21:32.53 | dokma | inetd |
| 21:33.05 | dokma | sney: that's it |
| 21:33.07 | sney | yep |
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| 21:33.31 | sney | haven't used inetd in a long time, it's kind of an artifact of the low-resource days. but you still see it around. |
| 21:39.26 | sney | iterati: doesn't look like it. it's released under the OFL so it qualifies for debian, there just isn't a package (yet). You could file a RFP bug to request that it get packaged. |
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| 21:41.03 | ratrace | dokma: on systemd systems, which is debian buster, you can use socket activation |
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| 21:49.15 | jhutchins | sney: inetd not packaged? |
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| 21:49.52 | jhutchins | Try xinetd - they extende it. |
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| 21:50.38 | jhutchins | extended |
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| 21:52.11 | quadrathoch2 | oxek did you get to run unpriv lxc containers in the end? |
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| 23:32.36 | oxek | quadrathoch2: yes! In the end had to use unconfined apparmor profile instead of generated, and do chmod+x on ~/.local/share |
| 23:33.49 | quadrathoch2 | huh? Interesting (second part). Letâs see if I can get it to work, also switched to cgroups v2 just to adapt ^^ |
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| 23:35.58 | oxek | so all the magic steps, taken from all over the place and some discovered myself, are these: |
| 23:36.14 | oxek | let user create bridges: echo "$USER veth lxcbr0 10" | sudo tee /etc/lxc/lxc-usernet |
| 23:36.34 | oxek | create configuration file for bridges in file /etc/default/lxc-net |
| 23:36.48 | oxek | restart the networking service: systemctl restart lxc-net.service |
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| 23:37.00 | oxek | create the proper config file at ~/.config/lxc/default.conf |
| 23:37.22 | oxek | make sure it contains all the user & group mappings like: lxc.idmap = u 0 100000 65536 |
| 23:37.52 | oxek | enable user namespaces: sysctl kernel.unprivileged_userns_clone=1 |
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| 23:38.43 | oxek | reboot the host machine |
| 23:38.57 | quadrathoch2 | why would you need to restart? |
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| 23:39.19 | oxek | probably not necessary, but I found it fixed something at some point |
| 23:39.32 | quadrathoch2 | K |
| 23:39.35 | oxek | then create the container using the lxc-download template |
| 23:39.50 | oxek | then edit the container config file to read: lxc.apparmor.profile = unconfined |
| 23:40.18 | oxek | then do chmod +x ~/.local/share/ |
| 23:40.26 | oxek | then start the container |
| 23:40.55 | oxek | it was a painful few days, for something that should just work instead |
| 23:41.21 | quadrathoch2 | Yeah sounds horrible to figure that out |
| 23:41.37 | oxek | I think I also disabled nesting, which was enabled by default, but don't know if it affects anything. I don't need nesting anyway. |
| 23:41.53 | quadrathoch2 | but I guess most people are not interested in the tech anymore and moved on to other container engines |
| 23:41.56 | HelloShitty | Hello peeps. What can I do to figure out why my Synaptic TouchPad is not reacting to single taps? Only the buttons are working and the 2 finger drag |
| 23:42.12 | HelloShitty | but I can't single-tap it to simulate the left button click |
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| 23:42.28 | oxek | HelloShitty: I have the same problem on one laptop |
| 23:42.30 | HelloShitty | nor double-tap to simulate selecting an entire word |
| 23:42.49 | HelloShitty | But this was working before |
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| 23:43.06 | HelloShitty | I recently reinstalled Debian and since there, it is not working |
| 23:43.30 | oxek | I don't know when it broke |
| 23:43.39 | oxek | but it indeed worked before |
| 23:44.08 | HelloShitty | yeah, my case too |
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| 23:52.59 | oxek | perhaps the knowledge that you're not alone in this issue will be of some solace to you |
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