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| 00:14.51 | jaggz | my user has unlimited (ulimit) memory and data seg size. but this isn't in /etc/security/limits* files. any clue where else this can be set? |
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| 00:15.02 | jaggz | (do any of you know where I wronged myself?) :) |
| 00:16.13 | phogg | isn't unlimited the default? |
| 00:16.31 | jaggz | phogg, maybe that's it ... hrm |
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| 00:18.32 | jaggz | cat /proc/1/limits |
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| 01:09.04 | barg | there's a package I can't install, when I try apt-install php-gettext, I get "E: Unable to locate package php-gettext" How do I find out what repo it is in? I tried "add-apt-repository universe" but still it can't install php-gettext and gives that error. |
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| 01:13.08 | phogg | barg: packages.debian.org has a search feature |
| 01:16.36 | barg | thanks, I see here https://packages.debian.org/buster/php-gettext but I can't see what repo it's in |
| 01:17.14 | dvs | barg: top right |
| 01:19.31 | barg | top right i see stretch, buster, bullseye, - debian releases. |
| 01:20.45 | dvs | barg: your repos are listed in /etc/apt/sources.list. I suspect that you only have the DVD disc listed in there. |
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| 01:24.07 | barg | i have quite a few listed there https://gist.github.com/gartha1/9fcffe5c7df366d14111ad606de4ae35 |
| 01:25.04 | dvs | !ubuntu |
| 01:25.05 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>. |
| 01:25.53 | barg | thanks |
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| 01:30.51 | frazzydee | Hi, I'm trying to install debian buster + windows 8 dual booting. I've read the installation guide and disabled the windows fast boot feature as instructed, but I cannot boot into my debian install. The Debian installer did make some changes to the BIOS as the boot options have changed, but grub is not listed as a boot option. Any ideas on what I should be doing to get this working? |
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| 01:41.50 | ddsys | frazzydee: grub wont be listed in the bios. choose debian in bios then grub should load up |
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| 01:42.09 | frazzydee | ddsys: debian is not a bios option, only Windows Boot Manager and atheros device |
| 01:42.52 | ddsys | are you using legacy or uefi? |
| 01:43.05 | frazzydee | Sorry Atheros Boot Agent and Windows Boot Manager |
| 01:43.26 | ddsys | i dont know atheros boot agent |
| 01:44.08 | frazzydee | ddsys: I don't either, I think it's a network boot thing |
| 01:44.26 | ddsys | where did you install grub? |
| 01:44.30 | frazzydee | Not sure if I am using legacy or uefi? |
| 01:44.52 | frazzydee | ddsys: I installed grub to /dev/sdb8 i believe, it may have been installed to the second drive |
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| 01:46.10 | ddsys | you should install grub to either /dev/sdb or if you have a windows fat32 boot partition to that (/boot/efi) |
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| 01:59.12 | frazzydee | ddsys: Sorry, it was to /dev/sda. I have an EFI system partition as partition 1, should grub be installed there? |
| 01:59.35 | ddsys | yes |
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| 02:56.46 | frazzydee | ddsys: Thank you so much for your suggestion, unfortunately still doesn't seem to work- I still don't see debian as a boot option in my bios and debian remains unbootable :( |
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| 02:57.56 | ddsys | frazzydee: does your bios have "add boot option" |
| 03:00.42 | frazzydee | ddsys: Yes, "add new boot option". I need to specify the path for boot option |
| 03:01.11 | ddsys | is there a list to choose from? |
| 03:01.41 | frazzydee | ddsys: Not for the path. "Enter the path to the boot option in the format fsx:\path\filename.efi" |
| 03:02.07 | frazzydee | There is a list to choose from for "Select filesystem". That's easy enough as there's only one item in the list :) |
| 03:02.32 | ddsys | what does it say? |
| 03:02.56 | ddsys | you want grubx64.efi |
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| 03:06.26 | frazzydee | ddsys: How can I find it? |
| 03:06.37 | ddsys | what do you see now |
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| 03:08.23 | frazzydee | ddsys: I am in the "adad new boot option" menu, and the "path for boot option" has a text box field instructing me to "Enter the path to the boot option in the format fsx:\path\filename.efi" |
| 03:09.05 | ddsys | try \EFI\grubx64.efi |
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| 03:11.20 | frazzydee | ddsys: Thank you. I put that in, and disabled all other boot options. It took me back to the BIOS page so guess it didn't work |
| 03:11.53 | ddsys | is debian now in the boot menu? |
| 03:12.52 | frazzydee | ddsys: well it was in the list of boot options in the bios, but that's only because I specified the name "debian". |
| 03:12.55 | frazzydee | There is no boot menu. |
| 03:13.44 | frazzydee | There is no boot menu, it takes me straight to the BIOS now. I think it could not find the path specified so nothing to boot into. |
| 03:13.57 | ddsys | its hard because i cant see what your seeing |
| 03:14.12 | ddsys | maybe try specifying the again |
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| 03:16.41 | ddsys | frazzydee: maybe \EFI\boot\debian\grubx64.efi |
| 03:19.10 | ddsys | or fsx:\EFI\debian\grubx64.efi |
| 03:19.21 | frazzydee | ddsys: Yes, you're right. http://imgur.com/gallery/8biVkpV this is what I see |
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| 03:20.10 | ddsys | so try rebooting |
| 03:21.12 | frazzydee | ddsys: doesn't work. I tried both paths you suggested |
| 03:21.22 | ddsys | crap |
| 03:21.32 | frazzydee | yeah lol |
| 03:21.40 | frazzydee | at what point do I give up on dual booting |
| 03:22.04 | ddsys | dont give up |
| 03:22.13 | ddsys | thats how you learn |
| 03:22.24 | frazzydee | I would like to move onto my normal "figure out driver problems" stage of installing linux ;) |
| 03:22.34 | frazzydee | true. |
| 03:22.43 | ddsys | maybe somebody else here can chime in on this |
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| 03:24.07 | frazzydee | http://imgur.com/gallery/0ZDqFUO this is what it looks like entering the second path you gave me. |
| 03:25.35 | ddsys | try again but use bootx64.efi |
| 03:27.14 | ddsys | in the boot option priorities you can move the selections from #2 to #1 |
| 03:28.03 | frazzydee | There is a "boot override" menu that allows me to specify which one to boot into. |
| 03:28.12 | ddsys | so that debian2 is first to boot |
| 03:29.07 | frazzydee | OK i moved debian2 to first to boot, doesn't work either |
| 03:30.17 | ddsys | then maybe delete debian2 |
| 03:30.39 | frazzydee | tried bootx64.efi instead of grubx64.efi as well, using both paths fsx:\EFI\bootx64.efi and fsx:\EFI\debian\bootx64.efi |
| 03:32.37 | ddsys | im suprised the menu doesnt allow you to choose like EFI then another list of files shows up etc |
| 03:33.35 | frazzydee | is there another way to browse what's in EFI? |
| 03:33.50 | ddsys | there should be |
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| 03:34.39 | ddsys | frazzydee: whats under the security tab? |
| 03:34.54 | frazzydee | ddsys: secure boot is disabled |
| 03:35.39 | ddsys | you should be able to leave secure boot enabled. debian should still load |
| 03:36.06 | frazzydee | I can enable it. I don't remember disabling it, but it's an old computer |
| 03:36.39 | ddsys | under security tab isnt there a select file? |
| 03:41.50 | frazzydee | https://imgur.com/gallery/Sc8lQ35 |
| 03:42.42 | ddsys | frazzydee: look under key management |
| 03:45.13 | ddsys | frazzydee: sorry man. im running out of ideas |
| 03:45.18 | frazzydee | lol |
| 03:45.34 | frazzydee | This is what it looks like, not sure how it helps https://imgur.com/gallery/MjCn5qQ |
| 03:47.53 | ddsys | dont mess with that then |
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| 03:48.21 | frazzydee | Thank you for trying to help :) I will try not to give up lol |
| 03:49.01 | ddsys | look under advancd tab. does it say anything about uefi or legacy? |
| 03:50.01 | frazzydee | closest option would be "Network stack" |
| 03:50.23 | frazzydee | when you enter into the menu it says "enable/disable the UEFI network stack" |
| 03:50.57 | ddsys | is it enabled? |
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| 03:51.15 | frazzydee | it's disabled |
| 03:51.28 | frazzydee | there must be a way to browse the EFI partition... |
| 03:52.01 | ddsys | thats what im sayin |
| 03:55.09 | ddsys | also make sure when you reboot that usb device is not selected |
| 03:57.00 | frazzydee | actually usb device isn't even an option lol |
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| 03:57.56 | frazzydee | it somehow boots into it if I put a bootable USB in. I didn't ask questions. |
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| 03:59.35 | frazzydee | https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/329926/grub-starts-in-command-line-after-reboot I'm in the grub command line and am going to try finding the efi partition as shown here |
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| 04:01.01 | ddsys | so it did boot into grub kind of |
| 04:01.05 | frazzydee | 'ls (hd0)/EFI/boot/' shows bootx64.efi and grubx64.efi. Looks promising |
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| 04:01.23 | frazzydee | well I put the installer in, chose advanced rescue mode, and entered into the grub command line |
| 04:01.29 | frazzydee | it didn't boot into it. |
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| 04:04.11 | frazzydee | crap that looked promising but got me nowhere. |
| 04:04.26 | frazzydee | I put those paths as boot options, still brought me back to the BIOS screen. |
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| 04:07.57 | ddsys | how about /boot/grub |
| 04:08.19 | frazzydee | what do you mean? |
| 04:08.51 | ddsys | when you do ls (hd0,1)/ |
| 04:09.11 | ddsys | substitute 1 with the partition number of linux |
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| 04:14.28 | frazzydee | of my root file system partition? |
| 04:15.30 | ddsys | yes |
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| 04:17.58 | frazzydee | http://imgur.com/a/PyuY9sh |
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| 04:19.02 | ddsys | do ls (hd1,gpt6)/boot/ |
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| 04:20.22 | frazzydee | there is config-4.9.0-13-amd64, vmlinuz-4.9.0-13-amd64, grub/, System.map-4.9.0-13-amd64, initrd.img-4.9.0-13-amd64 |
| 04:21.02 | ddsys | then follow the instructions in that link https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/329926/grub-starts-in-command-line-after-reboot |
| 04:23.07 | frazzydee | wait why is there /boot/grub and not /efi/boot/grub? |
| 04:23.28 | ddsys | dunno |
| 04:23.38 | frazzydee | lol ok i'll try it. |
| 04:23.50 | ddsys | set prefix=(hd1,gpt6)/boot/grub |
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| 04:25.30 | frazzydee | I'm getting a bunch of errors, do you think I need to chroot first? |
| 04:26.05 | frazzydee | I'm getting errors from the installer. I think I made those changes to the installer and I needed to chroot somewhere first |
| 04:26.41 | ddsys | thats over my head. i never had this issue sorry |
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| 04:34.28 | frazzydee | I mean, I think when I'm following the instructions by doing insmod, i'm doing insmod within the installer environment |
| 04:34.52 | frazzydee | anyways I think I should bookmark that page and take a step back from the problem :) |
| 04:34.53 | ddsys | right |
| 04:35.04 | frazzydee | thank you so much for helping me |
| 04:35.18 | ddsys | sorry it isnt working yet |
| 04:36.01 | frazzydee | and encouraging me to figure it out rather than giving up! |
| 04:36.59 | ddsys | maybe somebody here can figure it out better |
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| 05:16.50 | l0rd_hex | Is it possible to install syslinux during install? grub gives me diareah so I prefer syslinux or even better extlinux |
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| 05:20.53 | petn-randall | l0rd_hex: I believe you can use expert mode to pick lilo instead, or just use debootstrap to install whatever you want. |
| 05:21.22 | petn-randall | l0rd_hex: "giving you diareah [sic]" isn't a good problem description, though. |
| 05:21.33 | l0rd_hex | oh, sorry, diarreah |
| 05:22.02 | l0rd_hex | I'll read up on debootstrap though, that's an automated install function? |
| 05:22.07 | petn-randall | You got one more try. |
| 05:22.53 | l0rd_hex | diarrhoea? I'm not really Britis |
| 05:22.54 | l0rd_hex | h |
| 05:23.23 | petn-randall | diarrhea. Google autocorrects you if you type it wrong, just for next time ;) |
| 05:23.39 | petn-randall | !debootstrap |
| 05:23.39 | dpkg | debootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a <chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>. http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap https://debian-administration.org/article/426/Installing_new_Debian_systems_with_debootstrap |
| 05:25.01 | l0rd_hex | I didn't mind grub1 but grub2 seems rather large/complex for it's purpose |
| 05:25.12 | n4dir | couldn't you just use grub, boot in it, and make the according changes then? |
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| 05:25.48 | n4dir | sounds more easy than a debootstrap installation. At least more comfortable |
| 05:25.59 | l0rd_hex | n4dir: that's what I do now or just live with grub but it's always an annoyance, especially on small installs |
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| 05:26.50 | petn-randall | !lightweight |
| 05:26.50 | dpkg | <mjg59> To a first approximation, when someone says "Lightweight" what they mean is "I don't understand the problems that the alternative solves". (http://mjg59.livejournal.com/136274.html) |
| 05:27.30 | l0rd_hex | I'm a reduce-debian fanboy |
| 05:27.31 | n4dir | just saying the debootstrap can be quite a ride to only get an installation. Not oustanding difficult, but, well, can be timeconsuming. Compared to hitting the enter key now and then |
| 05:27.54 | n4dir | l0rd_hex: then debootstrap is the way to go |
| 05:28.01 | l0rd_hex | n4dir: yeah, I recall trying it earlier and it being a pain in my anal triangle |
| 05:28.18 | coke | if you dont like pain |
| 05:28.28 | petn-randall | l0rd_hex: You do seem to have an anal fixation ... |
| 05:28.30 | coke | use everything as is and dont touch/modify anything |
| 05:29.01 | l0rd_hex | coke: I'd rather just write the operating system in raw elecricity |
| 05:29.14 | coke | yea cause thats sure will be painless |
| 05:29.21 | petn-randall | l0rd_hex: Well, then a magnetic needle and a steady hand should be all you need. |
| 05:29.31 | l0rd_hex | petn-randall: well I have emacs so... |
| 05:29.38 | l0rd_hex | j/k I'm a vim man |
| 05:30.03 | l0rd_hex | both for editing and there is a cleaner here called Vim which I do use in my bathroom and kitchen! |
| 05:30.06 | petn-randall | You seem to be more interested in basic trolling than in actual help. |
| 05:30.06 | n4dir | how come there are no gedit fanboys ... |
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| 05:30.26 | l0rd_hex | gedit is bourgeoisie |
| 05:30.41 | n4dir | as far bloat is concerned grub is the most little of all my problems. |
| 05:31.09 | l0rd_hex | I've actually been quite pleased with buildroot for small installs |
| 05:31.32 | l0rd_hex | but it doesn't really have the package management I've come to know and love from Debian |
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| 05:32.14 | n4dir | i wouldn't expect on a minimal installation there is much to be installed. |
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| 05:35.04 | l0rd_hex | petn-randall: before we had xkcd we had ELER (Everyone Loves Eric Raymond): https://geekz.co.uk/lovesraymond/wp-content/images/ep032.jpg |
| 05:35.40 | zPlus | I've had to change my dns resolvers in /etc/network/interfaces (Debian 10). I've used "dns-nameservers x.x.x.x y.y.y.y" and rebooted but it doesn't seem to be working. /etc/resolv.conf still contains the old resolvers and has not updated even after reboot. What am I missing? Can somebody help? Thank you. |
| 05:37.10 | petn-randall | l0rd_hex: Sadly nobody took over, they were quite funny. |
| 05:37.40 | petn-randall | zPlus: Can you share your complete /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 05:37.43 | petn-randall | !paste |
| 05:37.43 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: https://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: https://imgbb.com/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): https://filebin.net or https://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <termbin>. |
| 05:37.59 | l0rd_hex | they're were great, I wonder what happened to Mr. Bacon |
| 05:38.22 | unsecur3d | i think u gotta follow this guide: https://www.tecmint.com/set-permanent-dns-nameservers-in-ubuntu-debian/ |
| 05:40.28 | n4dir | iirc i just did it in the routers interface, and left all the rest alone. |
| 05:41.47 | unsecur3d | i'm out tty guys tomorrow |
| 05:41.51 | zPlus | petn-randall: https://paste.debian.net/plainh/7daf6987 |
| 05:42.00 | n4dir | after fiddling with it for a few days, without much gain. |
| 05:43.30 | petn-randall | zPlus: And you have resolvconf installed? And you are bringing up ens3 at boot? |
| 05:44.35 | l0rd_hex | what is /etc/network/interfaces based on, I don't think it's netctl? |
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| 05:44.53 | l0rd_hex | I should say, what reads interfaces and actually configures the interfaces |
| 05:45.10 | petn-randall | l0rd_hex: man interfaces |
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| 05:45.46 | l0rd_hex | ahh ifup and ifdown |
| 05:45.51 | zPlus | petn-randall: yes the iface is up (I can use it except for dns) but resolvconf doesn't seem to be installed. I kind of assumed it was, this VM is running a vanilla debian installation |
| 05:46.35 | petn-randall | zPlus: resolvconf hooks into ifupdown and parses those settings. So installing and rebooting should do the trick, or bringing the interface down and up again. |
| 05:46.54 | zPlus | let me try |
| 05:48.13 | zPlus | petn-randall: I can't install because dns is not working :/ Should I change resolv.conf manually then? |
| 05:49.31 | petn-randall | zPlus: Heh. Yeah, then you should edit /etc/resolv.conf by hand. |
| 05:51.12 | l0rd_hex | I'm quite impressed with the debian site redesign, https://salsa.debian.org/debian/ifupdown and https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/ifupdown for example |
| 05:53.21 | petn-randall | l0rd_hex: They've been the same for at least a year now. But https://www.debian.org was completely redesigned around christmas. |
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| 05:54.48 | l0rd_hex | petn-randall: ohh, my bad, it's been a while since I've looked at debian specific source stuff |
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| 05:57.40 | zPlus | thank you petn-randall that did the trick |
| 05:59.18 | petn-randall | zPlus: You're welcome |
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| 06:02.20 | l0rd_hex | is /etc/resolv.conf hardcoded in libc? |
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| 06:13.05 | rk4 | there are many libc implementations, download the sourcee and grep |
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| 06:16.49 | n4dir | man resolv.conf might be more comfortable |
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| 06:41.18 | jrj_ | hello. i found commented lines about terminal title in /etc/bash.bashrc. why is it commented? |
| 06:41.38 | jrj_ | at least in debian 9 |
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| 06:54.08 | jrj_ | i found this - https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=420656 |
| 06:54.09 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/420656 in bash (closed): «/etc/skel/.bashrc: Use PS1 for xterm title setting, not PROMPT_COMMAND»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2007-04-23; last modified: 2009-07-04. |
| 06:55.34 | jrj_ | solution - just comment part with xterm title and no changes in PS1. sad... |
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| 09:06.25 | unixbsd | greycat: I will look asap about iso hybrid. I need time to study this toc and iso format. |
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| 09:07.47 | unixbsd | Concerning the linux kernel, do you appreciate that linux core kernel compilation is heavier now to compile. It never goes simpler. bison, flex, what next, cmake or whatever? however the complexity is greater, non necessarily in good direction for hardware. |
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| 09:11.09 | pasiz | unixbsd: how often you need to compile kernel. |
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| 09:24.41 | unixbsd | pasiz: time to time, earlier each month, today, every 6 months |
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| 09:38.15 | pasiz | unixbsd: and compile time is your problem there? |
| 09:38.58 | unixbsd | not much it will take long anyhow all time time. |
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| 09:55.15 | pasiz | unixbsd: i dunno what hw you are running, i compile with 16 cores approx 900 seconds |
| 09:55.42 | unixbsd | oh, I have a ryzen 3, it is a bit slow |
| 09:56.14 | pasiz | i think old xeons are slow, i think ryzen should beat that anytime |
| 09:57.15 | pasiz | ryzen 3 should be much under 200 seconds |
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| 10:05.29 | dokma | I've just upgraded an old server to Stretch. No MySQL anymore. Do I just in stall MariaDB now and it picks up the database from MySQL? |
| 10:06.14 | coke | yes |
| 10:06.41 | Azrael_- | hi |
| 10:07.10 | Azrael_- | can i use logrotate to clean up logs in a custom log folder where the program already automatically creates a new log file each day? |
| 10:12.51 | rudi_s | Azrael_-: I don't think so, but check the logrotate man page. But why not use find -mtime +7 -delete or so to delete files older than 7 days? |
| 10:16.09 | quadrathoch2 | dokma beware, that mariadb is not as drop-in replacement as they want to believe you |
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| 10:16.50 | dokma | quadrathoch2: really? |
| 10:17.01 | dokma | quadrathoch2: massive differences or? |
| 10:17.17 | dokma | quadrathoch2: can I still run mysql on Stretch? |
| 10:17.22 | quadrathoch2 | depends on the version. but still test it out (with backups) before going full in |
| 10:17.37 | quadrathoch2 | dokma look at the mysql homepage (or oracle) not sure |
| 10:18.18 | quadrathoch2 | dokma if it works for you, it's probably one of the older version where the diff wasn't that huge |
| 10:18.18 | rudi_s | dokma: In general it works quite well |
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| 10:24.36 | vampifrog | hi, is there a dedicated directory where I can keep my custom systemd service files? I just threw them in /lib/systemd/system, where can I place them so I know they're my own custom ones? |
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| 10:32.02 | quadrathoch2 | vampifrog custom service files go in /etc/systemd/system not in /lib ;) |
| 10:32.57 | vampifrog | that's strange cause there's already some in /etc/systemd/system |
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| 10:33.38 | vampifrog | http://img.vampi.tech/4Z02zIpd0g.png |
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| 10:37.04 | cm13g09 | Hi all, I have a pair of virtual routers that have been running fine for months in a pair of VMs handling ~20Mbps of traffic. This week, we've seen one of them hang multiple times with the kernel log "rcu_sched self-detected stall on CPU" with some slightly weird stack traces, but it's always in the networking. |
| 10:37.18 | cm13g09 | One-such kernel log is https://paste.debian.net/1180318/ |
| 10:37.36 | cm13g09 | Does anyone have any hints or pointers? |
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| 10:40.46 | quadrathoch2 | vampifrog just because there are service files already in it, doesn't mean that it shouldn't be there for your own custom service files |
| 10:41.04 | vampifrog | I know, but I just wanted an empty folder of my own :( |
| 10:41.15 | quadrathoch2 | vampifrog afaik there is none |
| 10:41.26 | vampifrog | alright, thanks |
| 10:41.30 | rudi_s | vampifrog: man systemd.unit lists the search path |
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| 10:42.03 | rudi_s | But it's common to store all host-specific configuration in /etc/, so in this case /etc/systemd/system/* |
| 10:42.21 | quadrathoch2 | i didn't know there was /etc/systemd/user hm |
| 10:42.34 | vampifrog | looks like I can use /run/systemd/system, that one's empty |
| 10:42.50 | rudi_s | That's also the proper way to override existing configuration files, if you like to do so. To extend them there's the .d directory for each service |
| 10:43.11 | rudi_s | vampifrog: No, that's a tmpfs and destroyed on each boot. You should really use /etc/systemd/system because that's what it's there for. |
| 10:43.36 | vampifrog | im gonna try to use /etc/systemd/user |
| 10:43.53 | jelly | vampifrog, that's for per-session services |
| 10:44.00 | vampifrog | urghh |
| 10:44.33 | rudi_s | vampifrog: Use the correct path, and that's /etc/systemd/system. Don't try to guess without reading the relevant documentation. |
| 10:44.43 | jelly | what he said |
| 10:44.56 | vampifrog | alright it's good enough, thanks |
| 10:45.02 | quadrathoch2 | ./etc/systemd/system System units created by the administrator this is what the man says |
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| 10:45.53 | rudi_s | vampifrog: What quadrat<tab> quoted: man systemd.unit | less -p 'UNIT FILE LOAD PATH' |
| 10:45.56 | vampifrog | well tehre are files in tehre that I didn't create |
| 10:46.26 | rudi_s | There are files in all of /etc you didn't create. Still the place to put your changes ;-) |
| 10:47.02 | vampifrog | no i'm just saying, if you're saying that /etc/systemd/system contains units created by the administrator, it means it's being misused cause I didn't create those files and I'm the administratotr |
| 10:47.04 | rudi_s | And most of the files in /etc/systemd/system you did create, even maybe not knowingly. All symlinks are created by systemctl enable service and similar. |
| 10:47.35 | rudi_s | So either you (or the Debian postinstaller which enables daemons by default) did create those symlinks. |
| 10:47.47 | rudi_s | There should be not much else in there, except a few (empty) directories. |
| 10:48.32 | vampifrog | so is it a symlink directory or a unit directory? |
| 10:48.51 | vampifrog | cause it seems that it can't make up its mind, it contains symlinks but also my custom units |
| 10:48.59 | rudi_s | But you're correct that the directory is not only for custom services but only to store the list of enabled units (those which are started on boot). |
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| 10:49.15 | vampifrog | yeah it's weird |
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| 10:49.24 | vampifrog | the old /etc/rc?.d scheme made more sense |
| 10:49.41 | vampifrog | just as far as symlinks are concerned |
| 10:50.18 | rudi_s | Well ... all services starting on boot have a symlink in /etc/systemd/system/multi-user.target.wants, that's quite simple. |
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| 10:50.50 | rudi_s | One hacky thing is `systemctl mask` which puts a symlink to /dev/null in /etc/systemd/system/ - but well. |
| 10:51.19 | rudi_s | (And few other *.wants directories for different points in time during startup.) |
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| 10:52.05 | jelly | how is that hacky? It's an setting done by an admin |
| 10:52.40 | jelly | (usually. Some packages have alternative units where one of the alternatives has to to masked for the other to work) |
| 10:52.46 | rudi_s | jelly: Because you cannot have a custom service file and mask it at the same time (e.g. temporarily). |
| 10:53.08 | rudi_s | You must delete the file and then mask it, which creates a symlink to /dev/null. |
| 10:53.26 | jelly | and if you delete it you don't have it anyway |
| 10:53.28 | jelly | right |
| 10:54.11 | rudi_s | Well, not if you want to override an existing system unit. |
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| 10:55.03 | rudi_s | It doesn't come up often but it was annoying from time to time. |
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| 10:58.51 | jelly | if you want to override an existing unit it's better to use a drop-in than to replace it with a whole unit definition. When a drop-in file is used, you can still mask the service |
| 11:00.34 | rudi_s | jelly: Not if want to ensure that only my settings are used. - Anyway, it's not really important. Just wanted to mention that there are few things I also find unclean in systemd's use of /etc/systemd/system and so I can understand parts of vampifrog 's confusion. |
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| 11:07.09 | vampifrog | anyway, thanks for the help |
| 11:07.24 | vampifrog | I put all my custom services in /etc/systemd/system and it can detect them fine |
| 11:07.41 | vampifrog | I can even do enable and it just overwrites the symlink, I don't have to restart it |
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| 11:13.47 | rudi_s | vampifrog: np, enable/disable only control what happens on system boot, it just creates/removes a symlink |
| 11:14.07 | rudi_s | (If you only start a service, it won't get started on the next boot automatically.) |
| 11:14.19 | vampifrog | yeah but I thought I'd have to do disable to remove the symlink and then enable again but it just overwrites the symlink with enable |
| 11:14.32 | rudi_s | Oh, and if you change a unit don't forget to use systemctl daemon-reload (but systemctl warns you if you use a stale file). |
| 11:14.41 | rudi_s | Yeah |
| 11:14.52 | vampifrog | I didn't change the units, I just moved them around, so it didn't warn me about daemon reload |
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| 11:15.10 | rudi_s | Ah right |
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| 12:06.53 | nifker | whats the package for this here called? https://wiki.gnome.org/action/show/Apps/Files |
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| 12:10.56 | brigand | nifker: nemo |
| 12:11.01 | brigand | no wait |
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| 12:12.23 | brigand | nifker: nautilus |
| 12:12.35 | brigand | (but i like nemo better. it comes from cinnamon iirc) |
| 12:12.47 | nifker | I usually use caja |
| 12:12.56 | nifker | and I wanted to uninstall this gnome thingy |
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| 12:13.28 | Azrael_- | rudi_s: thanks |
| 12:13.45 | rudi_s | np |
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| 12:15.44 | brigand | !dpkg files |
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| 12:19.51 | S3xyL1nux | nautilus spit errors when launch it as a root from ages |
| 12:21.08 | rudi_s | Don't run X (programs) as root. |
| 12:21.09 | jhutchins | brigand: The exclamation point is meant as an alias to calling the bot by name. |
| 12:21.33 | jhutchins | brigand: So !dpkg is redundant. |
| 12:21.43 | S3xyL1nux | which i don't mind as far as it is stills functional |
| 12:22.15 | S3xyL1nux | probably all the errors just a theme thing |
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| 12:24.14 | S3xyL1nux | when i add it to a script i would simply add 2>/dev/null to the end of the command |
| 12:24.26 | deeplogic | is gnome 40 in bullseye ? |
| 12:25.02 | ratrace | ,v gnome |
| 12:25.03 | judd | Package: gnome on amd64 -- jessie: 1:3.14+3; stretch: 1:3.22+3; buster: 1:3.30+1; bullseye: 1:3.38+2; sid: 1:3.38+2 |
| 12:27.12 | Azrael_- | if i want to monitor multiple servers, is icinga still the way to go? |
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| 12:28.03 | quadrathoch2 | deeplogic, why would it, itâs not even released |
| 12:30.41 | browzing | Anyone running into this at all? https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=946180 -- I've got openssh/1:8.4p1-3 -- occasionally I disconnect from my server -- but when I got to reconnect SSH won't connect and -v shows me 'Connection Reset by Peer'. Server is still online and server. I setup a second sshd with dropbear to retain access and I am basically hitting that debian bug. |
| 12:30.42 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/946180 in openssh-server (open): «openssh-server: Occasionally missing privilege separation directory with ssh.socket»; severity: important; opened: 2019-12-04; last modified: 2019-12-04. |
| 12:31.23 | browzing | s/and server./and serving just fine./g |
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| 13:17.15 | deeplogic | no, i disabled my twitter account, you can't contact me that way anymnore |
| 13:18.41 | deeplogic | in fact on Monday the concensus is that a new rule will be added in the firewall |
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| 13:23.26 | ratrace | deeplogic: wrong chan? |
| 13:23.34 | zPlus | why are old kernel images not removed automatically when a new one is installed? I just discovered that my /boot partition was full, filled with all the older kernels that have been updated over the years |
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| 13:27.16 | hejux | hello, it says channel is full? |
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| 13:28.06 | hejux | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:28.57 | oerheks | now you are in |
| 13:29.27 | hejux | yeah, i did /reconnect |
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| 13:35.15 | quadrathoch2 | Zplus, this will be changed in bullseye |
| 13:35.51 | zPlus | quadrathoch2: you mean that older kernel will be automatically deleted? |
| 13:36.15 | quadrathoch2 | Yes |
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| 13:36.42 | zPlus | quadrathoch2: very nice. Thanks for the information. What was the reason to keep older one around, though? Makes me curious |
| 13:36.59 | quadrathoch2 | Fallback, if the new one doesnât work |
| 13:37.40 | quadrathoch2 | On top of /boot getting bigger in bullseye (if new install) |
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| 13:38.13 | brigand | all old kernels will get deleted when a new one is installed? |
| 13:38.21 | zPlus | ok. I'm fine with keeping the last installed version around, just in case, but having *all* previous versions is not much useful I guess |
| 13:38.39 | quadrathoch2 | brigand, no most of the time 2-3 are being kept |
| 13:39.21 | brigand | ah, good. i kept it manually that way either way. thanks, quadrathoch2 |
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| 13:44.50 | BillyZane | hi |
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| 14:17.46 | rander2 | hello |
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| 14:18.30 | rander2 | how disable services at the startup |
| 14:19.09 | rander2 | I have not userful service as avahi , dlna |
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| 14:20.05 | Blablubbs | sudo systemctl disable $SERVICE |
| 14:20.07 | brigand | sudo systemctl disable foo.service |
| 14:20.11 | brigand | darn |
| 14:20.17 | Blablubbs | heh |
| 14:20.19 | brigand | :p |
| 14:20.38 | ratrace | might need to mask in addition to disable, if they still start, as they can be started as dependencies |
| 14:20.45 | rander2 | they rest disable at the next startup too ? |
| 14:20.52 | Blablubbs | yes |
| 14:20.59 | rander2 | cool thx |
| 14:21.08 | Blablubbs | if you only want to stop them for a running session, use sudo systemctl stop $SERVICE |
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| 14:34.05 | NetTerminalGene | guys, youtube-dl that comes with buster doesn't work. and it is dependency of important packages. i can't remove it. how can i install latest youtube-dl on top of it? |
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| 14:35.40 | quadrathoch2 | NetTerminalGene depends on your preference |
| 14:35.55 | NetTerminalGene | quadrathoch2: what do you mean? |
| 14:36.05 | quadrathoch2 | there are as always multiple ways |
| 14:36.14 | NetTerminalGene | i know i can use this instruction http://ytdl-org.github.io/youtube-dl/download.html |
| 14:36.17 | themill | ,v youtube-dl --release buster-backports |
| 14:36.18 | judd | Package: youtube-dl on amd64 -- buster-backports: 2020.11.29-1~bpo10+1 |
| 14:36.24 | ratrace | NetTerminalGene: I'm using a virtualenv and installing directly from pypi |
| 14:36.32 | ratrace | far easier than backporting and waiting for the maintainer to update it |
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| 14:36.36 | brigand | can't you sudo youtube-dl -U? |
| 14:36.37 | GNU\colossus | NetTerminalGene, just drop the upstream release in /usr/local/bin - it is only a single file |
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| 14:36.55 | quadrathoch2 | brigand not with the packaged version |
| 14:37.03 | brigand | oh, i see |
| 14:37.03 | NetTerminalGene | GNU\colossus: drop? what do you mean? |
| 14:37.13 | quadrathoch2 | copy/move |
| 14:37.16 | GNU\colossus | download and copy/move it there |
| 14:37.54 | NetTerminalGene | hmm... and it won't hurt other dependencies? it will not tell me autoremove important packages? |
| 14:38.29 | GNU\colossus | you won't be touching the installation from Debian packages at all |
| 14:39.37 | Elw3 | I have a damaged system file, id like to reinstall the package for it but reinstall in synaptic didnt work and apt complains that it is already installed, what are the commands to force a reinstall of the files? |
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| 14:39.53 | NetTerminalGene | "ls /usr/local/bin/" doesn't show anything |
| 14:40.29 | brigand | Elw3: sudo apt-get --purge remove $package |
| 14:40.56 | Elw3 | Small world, long time no see, eh brigand ? |
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| 14:41.07 | brigand | yeah, terrible :p |
| 14:41.22 | Elw3 | This is a system file, i cant purge it or it purges the whole OS |
| 14:41.27 | ratrace | NetTerminalGene: by convention, debian packages never install under /usr/local/ so it's a safe place for your local stuff |
| 14:41.50 | ratrace | (and it's alraedy in default $PATH, so...) |
| 14:41.57 | brigand | oh |
| 14:42.06 | NetTerminalGene | quadrathoch2, GNU\colossus: /usr/local/bin is empty. if i download it there, wouldn't it be conflict the package? |
| 14:42.13 | brigand | Elw3: sudo apt-get --reinstall install $package ? |
| 14:43.02 | NetTerminalGene | quadrathoch2, GNU\colossus: which youtube-dl will be used if i download it there? |
| 14:43.24 | quadrathoch2 | ./usr/loca/bin has a higher prio than the system youtube-dl |
| 14:43.56 | NetTerminalGene | ok. let me try then. i hope i won't brick my system |
| 14:44.11 | quadrathoch2 | NetTerminalGene we tell you it's not breaking :/ |
| 14:45.29 | Elw3 | I thought that is the same that synaptic already did... |
| 14:48.28 | NetTerminalGene | it worked. thanks :D |
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| 14:50.55 | Elw3 | Ahhh thats interesting the reinstall linked the wrong file. |
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| 15:02.33 | karlpinc | NetTerminalGene: Better to use pip and a python virtual environment. That way you get the latest dependencies as well. But whatever works. |
| 15:03.33 | NetTerminalGene | you mean dependencies override the default ones? |
| 15:03.39 | NetTerminalGene | no thanks |
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| 15:05.04 | ratrace | they don't "override" anything. it's contained in the virtualenv |
| 15:05.24 | ratrace | and the virtualenv method is definitely preferred. you can just pip -U and get the upgrades, no fuss. |
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| 15:07.28 | brigand | the single file setup works for me for years. no need to fuss with pip |
| 15:09.06 | NetTerminalGene | ratrace: i can upgrade it with youtube-dl -U |
| 15:10.13 | ratrace | NetTerminalGene: inside /usr/local/bin/ you'd have to do that as root. at least put it somewhere where it can't accidentally wipe out your fs |
| 15:10.35 | ratrace | by somewhere I mean in a dir where you can update like that as unprivileged user |
| 15:11.15 | ratrace | (maybe you can just chown it as something not root; I'd still recommend the virtualenv way) |
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| 15:58.01 | jhutchins | First you have to understand what you're actually running. |
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| 15:58.57 | jhutchins | It is hard to understand how people think strafing irc is an effective troubleshootiing step. |
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| 16:47.43 | Dev0n | hi, does the Debian Live gnome image come with all the software or is it a minimal image? |
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| 16:48.17 | azeem | there's a spectrum between "all the software" and "minimal image" |
| 16:48.45 | jhutchins | Dev0n: What's your actual target? What are you trying to do? |
| 16:49.38 | Dev0n | sorry should clarify, I'm trying to create a live usb to inspect some drives I've got and was wondering how bloated the gnome image is |
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| 16:50.42 | Dev0n | Have looked more into it, I think I'll go with the live standard image and install bare bone gnome. azeem when I meant by software, I meant does come with things like openoffice etc |
| 16:50.51 | sney | for a troubleshooting/rescue environment, grml may be more appropriate |
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| 16:51.27 | jhutchins | Yeah, or even clonezilla. |
| 16:52.25 | Dev0n | ahh, though I was hoping to actually browse the content as well |
| 16:52.31 | Dev0n | hence the requirement for a minimal DE |
| 16:52.44 | Dev0n | not just through the terminal |
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| 16:53.04 | Dev0n | the drives are working fine, just don't want to plug them into my primary OS (windows) |
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| 16:53.18 | jhutchins | Dev0n: Ok, start off with the permise that you are NOT going to use a GUI. |
| 16:53.47 | jhutchins | Dev0n: That's silly, but yeah, pretty much any live image will do what you want. |
| 16:54.54 | azeem | maybe also tails |
| 16:55.06 | quadrathoch2 | is there an easy way to add buster-backports to pbuilder builds? need it for deps :/ |
| 16:55.33 | Dev0n | thanks jhutchins |
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| 16:56.01 | jhutchins | There was that time I used a live image to boot a Windows PC without leaving a trace. I had to destroy some documents that had been created by a contractor, but for which she'd never been paid, and which were being presented as her work as an artist. |
| 16:56.34 | Dev0n | hah sneaky :P] |
| 16:57.06 | Dev0n | azeem, tails is great although I had issue with it forcing TOR and was a bit flaky through my ISP |
| 16:57.16 | jhutchins | Basically catted /dev/random to them, preserving time and size. |
| 16:57.37 | Dev0n | and it didn't change modified time? |
| 16:57.44 | jhutchins | Yep. |
| 16:57.46 | Dev0n | I guess it won't since that's at OS level right |
| 16:57.54 | jhutchins | If you do it right. |
| 16:57.58 | Dev0n | cool |
| 16:58.14 | jhutchins | Also, working from Linux to NTFS, which I know how to do. |
| 16:58.33 | jhutchins | Perpretator ended up in jail on unrelated charges. |
| 16:59.55 | Dev0n | guess they got their comeuppance |
| 17:00.06 | jhutchins | Indeed. |
| 17:00.39 | jhutchins | We were running a riding stable, he sold himself the same horse multiple times just for the cashflow. |
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| 17:01.38 | jhutchins | It would have been funny except we had several people's livelihoods on the line, and it eventually crashed. |
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| 17:05.06 | Dev0n | damn |
| 17:05.26 | Dev0n | just want to double check, gnome-core should give me a pretty basic DE right? |
| 17:07.13 | jhutchins | Dev0n: Go console if you can. |
| 17:07.23 | jhutchins | Dev0n: I don't equate GUI with minimal. |
| 17:08.02 | Dev0n | jhutchins, it's just that there could be some media files that I want to see |
| 17:08.41 | azeem | we're not going to try it out for you |
| 17:08.51 | Dev0n | idk what the files are because the names are like IMG_<number>.jpg |
| 17:09.02 | Dev0n | lol, I know, which is why I can't just do this through the console |
| 17:09.13 | azeem | that sounds like it's a picture? |
| 17:09.21 | Dev0n | I'll just install gnome, think wasting time here trying to get bloat free DE |
| 17:09.26 | azeem | yes |
| 17:09.36 | Dev0n | perfect, sorted, thanks |
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| 17:11.50 | jhutchins | Dev0n: I think a basic live image should be able to do that these days. |
| 17:12.24 | jhutchins | I've been on this gig since it was a Selectric typewriter on a 54baud modem, so some of my habits are obsolete. |
| 17:12.33 | Dev0n | I know, I think I've gone about in a roundabout way here. I'm just obsessed with not installing/having things that I don't need. |
| 17:12.42 | Dev0n | In this instance, it's fine I guess |
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| 18:05.06 | BillyZane | hi |
| 18:05.26 | BillyZane | well, i'm running a server for the first time and i'm pretty well settling on debian |
| 18:05.38 | BillyZane | i want to be able to stream media over the internet |
| 18:06.39 | BillyZane | as an example, lets say i have an mp4 file, or mkv, i want to be able to stream it in such a way that i could possible re-encode it on the fly, or down-sample if necessary |
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| 18:09.29 | BillyZane | i'm checking this out |
| 18:09.30 | BillyZane | https://blends.debian.org/multimedia/tasks/broadcasting |
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| 18:18.41 | petn-randall | BillyZane: Re-encoding on the fly is quite demanding, and best done in a set up with GPU-accelerated encoding. |
| 18:19.12 | petn-randall | BillyZane: If your ultimate goal is to be able to stream something, I'd rather go with one of the many services out there that offer this. |
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| 18:19.48 | doc|work | also, is it a new machine or an existing install? |
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| 18:31.23 | lord_rob | Hi! If I manage a remote Linux computer using vnc, does the remote user see what I'm doing? That's the behavior when using vnc under windows, and that's what I'd like to do also on a linux remote box |
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| 18:42.16 | sney | lord_rob: only if there's an existing X session on that server and you're using x11vnc. |
| 18:42.54 | sney | otherwise, (tightvnc, xrdp, etc) the gui session is remote-only |
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| 18:43.50 | zutat | has anyone had a good laptop experience lately? (not with a 5+ year old thinkpad) |
| 18:45.46 | sney | there have been a handful of newer models through here in the past few months, not sure of brand/model but they had ryzens or needed the sof firmware so that's recent |
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| 18:47.00 | zutat | sney: yeah. lenovo now has several ubuntu certified models, but many model which i've seen irl were quite awful and i'm looking for a 16:10 or 3:2 screem |
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| 18:47.44 | zutat | the first 16:10 model i know from lenovo is x1 nano and it isn't even available in europe yet. it's ubuntu certified though :) |
| 18:48.44 | doc|work | I have a lenovo, about 3 years old, not used even close to full time, and have had a key on the keyboard broke... |
| 18:48.59 | doc|work | It's a proper thinkpad too, not even one of the cheap ones |
| 18:49.04 | azeem | they don't make 'em like they sued to |
| 18:49.08 | doc|work | nope |
| 18:49.08 | azeem | used* |
| 18:49.27 | doc|work | their screens are pants too |
| 18:51.14 | zutat | :( that doesn't sound good. i just returned a dell for the screen being broken/not mounted correctly. it kind of feels like manufacturers have given up on laptops |
| 18:51.30 | zutat | at the same time, you can get an impressive smartphone with 200 euros |
| 18:51.35 | doc|work | yeah, I'm sworn off dell too for bad customer service a few years back |
| 18:51.48 | doc|work | hard to know what to buy really |
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| 18:52.50 | doc|work | oh, also, lenovo has had some VERY questionable security "mistakes" over the years... and given their HQ's location, I don't think they can really be trusted |
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| 18:59.24 | jhutchins | doc|work: So, that makes sense, abandon Dell for poor service in favor of what Super Micro with no customer service? |
| 18:59.48 | doc|work | jhutchins, who said anything about supermicro? I didn't. |
| 19:00.12 | GNU\colossus | jhutchins, that's not true. Supermicro engineers are actually VERY forthcoming and supportive when contacted by mail. |
| 19:00.34 | GNU\colossus | (I used to work at a primarily Supermicro shop a while ago) |
| 19:00.39 | lord_rob | sney: what about x0vncserver ? can I install it on a remote computer and be able to use it to manage the box remotely, the remote user being able to see what what I'm doing? |
| 19:02.01 | sney | lord_rob: x0vncserver doesn't seem to be in debian. x11vnc is the one I'm familiar with, though at a glance they seem to do the same thing. |
| 19:02.04 | sney | ,i x11vnc |
| 19:02.05 | jhutchins | GNU\colossus: Perhaps our local SM distributor is not the best channel. |
| 19:02.08 | judd | Package x11vnc (x11, optional) in buster/amd64: VNC server to allow remote access to an existing X session. Version: 0.9.13-6+deb10u1; Size: 958.6k; Installed: 2052k; Homepage: http://www.karlrunge.com/x11vnc/ |
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| 19:02.26 | GNU\colossus | jhutchins, possibly |
| 19:02.26 | doc|work | still wants to know where this guy's getting supermicro laptops |
| 19:02.55 | jhutchins | My experience has been somewhere between buying off the back of a suspicious truck and scavaging hardware from a dumpster. |
| 19:04.18 | jhutchins | doc|work: Maybe somebody's taking 1U servers and velcroing a keyboard and display to them? |
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| 19:04.28 | lord_rob | thanks sney |
| 19:04.51 | doc|work | jhutchins, well it's no wonder you're not a fan then |
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| 19:06.43 | jhutchins | I'd still run SM before I did HP. |
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| 19:10.40 | prg3 | How can I tell apt to install a group of packages, but not install a certain package within that group? For example: I want to install kde-standard, but without the 'ibus' package. Is there an option I can give to 'apt install' to exclude ibus? |
| 19:12.50 | sney | prg3: I *think* it'll accept e.g. 'apt install kde-standard ibus-' but if ibus is a dependency of something, rather than a recommend, you'll lose that whole piece of the chain. |
| 19:13.01 | sney | !equivs |
| 19:13.01 | dpkg | equivs is a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell <apt> you really have installed (through some other means) the package. apt install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/*, see also <usrlocal>. A better plan is often to adapt the Debian packages to your needs, ask me about <package recompile> <uupdate> <ssb>. |
| 19:13.18 | sney | this is may be a more sane option |
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| 19:15.00 | prg3 | Thanks |
| 19:16.04 | prg3 | 'apt install kde-standard ibus-' tries to install the same set of packages as 'apt install kde-standard' so it must be a dependency chain.. Removing ibus after installing kde-standard works without breaking any deps - but I'm sure equivs is a more elegant solution. I'll check it out - thanks |
| 19:16.18 | sney | np |
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| 19:29.29 | chmykh | Hello guys! Where I can find GNOME version on Debian stable? |
| 19:29.52 | another | ,v gnome |
| 19:29.53 | judd | Package: gnome on amd64 -- jessie: 1:3.14+3; stretch: 1:3.22+3; buster: 1:3.30+1; bullseye: 1:3.38+2; sid: 1:3.38+2 |
| 19:30.12 | chmykh | judd: thank you! |
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| 19:31.05 | wyatt8740 | o/ |
| 19:31.13 | Wizard__ | o7 |
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| 19:48.45 | jammz | kworker began consuming my system.. couldn't even move the mouse most of the time (it would move 1px, then free up after a few minutes, for a few seconds) |
| 19:48.48 | jammz | debian testing |
| 19:48.52 | jammz | fresh install |
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| 19:49.05 | ratrace | jammz: gnome under wayland? |
| 19:49.10 | FelixActually | You should ask in #debian-next if you're running Testing jammz |
| 19:49.10 | ratrace | also: |
| 19:49.15 | ratrace | !debian-next |
| 19:49.15 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also https://wiki.debian.org/IRC and https://wiki.debian.org/GettingHelpOnIrc |
| 19:49.50 | jammz | sorry, kde |
| 19:49.52 | jammz | FelixActually, k |
| 19:49.59 | jammz | invite only |
| 19:50.36 | FelixActually | It's on the server irc.oftc.net |
| 19:51.27 | jhutchins | FelixActually: Technically, that's a network, not a server, but carry on... |
| 19:52.20 | FelixActually | Servers, channels, rooms, networks, all these terms make my head hurt :) |
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| 19:54.50 | ratrace | I read today that kwin got rewritten from scratch. so that's what.... 10 more years of fixing bugs that were already fixed in previous iteration? :/ |
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| 19:56.47 | zutat | gnome 40 keeps the "user experience" of gnome 3, but the experience bar thing is no longer vertical, but horizontal |
| 19:57.00 | zutat | they probably did rewrite quite many things for that |
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| 19:58.11 | NetTerminalGene | i bought toshiba usb stick, it doesn't work! |
| 19:58.21 | NetTerminalGene | is it possible? |
| 19:58.42 | freem | does it work in other computers? |
| 19:58.50 | NetTerminalGene | does usb sticks require driver? |
| 19:58.54 | freem | do other sticks work in your computer? |
| 19:59.00 | NetTerminalGene | i haven't tried yet |
| 19:59.06 | ratrace | NetTerminalGene: define "doesn't work" |
| 19:59.10 | Sbgodin | Did you format it? |
| 19:59.14 | NetTerminalGene | other sticks work |
| 19:59.22 | sney | it's probably just defective |
| 19:59.23 | ratrace | "doesn't work" on linux usually comes with an error message |
| 19:59.35 | NetTerminalGene | dmesg doesn't show anything |
| 19:59.45 | NetTerminalGene | other sticks work |
| 19:59.47 | ratrace | then define "doesn't work" please |
| 19:59.48 | Sbgodin | Maybe # tail -f /var/log/syslog? |
| 20:00.11 | NetTerminalGene | man, it doesn't see it. lsblk doesn't show anything |
| 20:00.14 | sney | the mfg forgot to include the flash memory, it's just a plastic case with a plug on it |
| 20:00.28 | ratrace | NetTerminalGene: so you plug it in, and the expected sdX device does not appear? |
| 20:00.33 | Sbgodin | Without any log, indeed, it's pretty dead. |
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| 20:00.38 | NetTerminalGene | ratrace: right |
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| 20:01.01 | ratrace | NetTerminalGene: Tried another USB port? maybe it's not USB3.0 and you're sticking it into 3.0 |
| 20:01.14 | NetTerminalGene | it is usb 3 |
| 20:01.24 | ratrace | I've seen USB sticks declare they are but they aren't really |
| 20:01.30 | ratrace | cheap chiense crap |
| 20:01.41 | NetTerminalGene | toshiba is japan |
| 20:01.46 | NetTerminalGene | made in japan |
| 20:02.05 | ratrace | and did you try another USB port, more specifically one you know isn't 3.0? |
| 20:02.05 | sney | even high end stuff is broken sometimes, nobody is 100% perfect |
| 20:02.21 | NetTerminalGene | other ports are problematic |
| 20:02.23 | ratrace | though these days even 3.0 ports should work with <3.0 hardware ..... sometimes that's not true |
| 20:02.25 | NetTerminalGene | long story |
| 20:03.11 | NetTerminalGene | my old mouse bricked other usb ports lol |
| 20:03.19 | NetTerminalGene | not physically |
| 20:03.25 | NetTerminalGene | but electrically i think |
| 20:03.42 | NetTerminalGene | insane |
| 20:03.43 | ratrace | yea, I bet the little mice didnt' come with tiny bricks and mortar :) |
| 20:03.59 | ratrace | anyhoo, so you're saying that when you plug it in, there's ZERO movement in dmesg? |
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| 20:04.12 | NetTerminalGene | yes. and no lsblk |
| 20:04.48 | ratrace | well... if you can't try other ports and this one doesn't tickle the kernel.... no idea what you could try next. it's dead, Jim. |
| 20:04.52 | NetTerminalGene | do those hardware require specific drivers? |
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| 20:05.17 | NetTerminalGene | does it need "toshiba" driver? |
| 20:05.23 | Sbgodin | NetTerminalGene, good luck. |
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| 20:05.28 | sney | usb flash drives do not need drivers. |
| 20:05.30 | ratrace | yes, they require the USB mass storage driver but that's normally part of the debian kernel |
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| 20:05.41 | sney | and even if it needed a driver, you'd still see an event in dmesg when you plug it in. |
| 20:05.49 | NetTerminalGene | i mean manufacturer specific |
| 20:06.03 | NetTerminalGene | :O |
| 20:06.07 | ratrace | NetTerminalGene: most likely not |
| 20:06.31 | NetTerminalGene | i will try it on my bros pc tomorrow |
| 20:06.37 | NetTerminalGene | it is windows |
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| 20:07.15 | NetTerminalGene | my phone also works fine on that port |
| 20:07.44 | sney | this is all very clear evidence that the usb stick is broken |
| 20:07.53 | NetTerminalGene | :/ |
| 20:08.04 | sney | I'm sorry you bought broken hardware, maybe you kept the receipt |
| 20:08.08 | NetTerminalGene | weir japans |
| 20:08.11 | NetTerminalGene | weird* |
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| 20:08.25 | NetTerminalGene | pun intended |
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| 20:09.02 | NetTerminalGene | i like japans |
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| 20:11.07 | NetTerminalGene | by the way. i also bought new ssd. and installed fresh buster. my previous ssd had buster upgraded from stretch and it was using 1.2 gb after boot. this fresh one uses 850 gb or something |
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| 20:11.10 | NetTerminalGene | wtf |
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| 20:11.36 | NetTerminalGene | sorry i mean megabyte |
| 20:11.47 | NetTerminalGene | oh my! |
| 20:11.52 | NetTerminalGene | i meant gb |
| 20:12.04 | sney | we'll wait for you to get your story straight |
| 20:12.11 | freem | yep |
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| 20:12.41 | NetTerminalGene | just drink coffee and listen |
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| 20:16.35 | NetTerminalGene | sney: why do you think it was using more ram? |
| 20:16.58 | FelixActually | You have over 850GB of RAM? |
| 20:17.05 | FelixActually | Do you work for NASA? :) |
| 20:17.06 | sney | ram? ssd space? megabytes or gigabytes? who can know, but I think step 1 for you is to go back and look at the numbers again |
| 20:17.09 | NetTerminalGene | i meant 850 mb |
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| 20:17.16 | ratrace | indeed lol I thought you were talking about disk space |
| 20:17.31 | NetTerminalGene | yeah. i confused too |
| 20:17.31 | jim | ratrace, something's dead? |
| 20:17.35 | karlpinc | He probably is talking about disk space. |
| 20:17.42 | ratrace | jim: NetTerminalGene's USB stick |
| 20:17.43 | NetTerminalGene | no. ram |
| 20:18.01 | karlpinc | Ok then, what does "use" mean? |
| 20:18.11 | ratrace | jim: and sorry for the hilight, but I refuse to stop quoting Bones :) |
| 20:18.14 | karlpinc | RAM it is. |
| 20:18.40 | NetTerminalGene | it means after boot system fills 850 mb of ram |
| 20:18.48 | FelixActually | 1.2MB of RAM used at boot sounds abnormally low, but did you change desktop environment? |
| 20:18.48 | ratrace | NetTerminalGene: measured how? |
| 20:18.51 | jim | jim, I'm dead but not as I know it |
| 20:19.10 | NetTerminalGene | ratrace: with system monitor |
| 20:19.23 | freem | I don't think debian 10 can hold on less than 1gig of storage |
| 20:19.27 | NetTerminalGene | FelixActually: i use gnome in both case |
| 20:19.43 | freem | kernel and drivers alone take around 250 megs iirc |
| 20:19.54 | karlpinc | NetTerminalGene: A good OS uses as much ram as possible. Because unused ram is wasted ram. So if nothing else it uses ram for disk buffering. |
| 20:20.06 | ratrace | freem: iirc 1.3 is minimum even debootstrapped |
| 20:20.37 | ratrace | karlpinc: yeah I don't think that's reflected in the (gnome) system monitor |
| 20:20.42 | freem | yep, that's what I'd say too. I use usually less than 20gig for full system, but I probably can't go under 1gig |
| 20:21.36 | ratrace | NetTerminalGene: I'm pretty sure you're not comparing them fairly: is exactly the same software, extensions and configurations between them? |
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| 20:24.59 | NetTerminalGene | ratrace: same config except less software |
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| 20:25.22 | FelixActually | Last install or this install? |
| 20:25.27 | NetTerminalGene | but those software wasn't starting at boot or something |
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| 20:36.37 | NetTerminalGene | FelixActually: fresh install uses less ram |
| 20:37.30 | FelixActually | So 1.2GB of RAM was being used at boot with the last install, and 850MB with this install? |
| 20:37.53 | freem | 350 megs is clearly less softwares running in background |
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| 21:40.49 | Heavy_Mettle | Are Debian 10 (Mate desktop) fonts comparable to Ubuntu's fonts or do you have to tweak them? |
| 21:41.37 | petn-randall | Heavy_Mettle: No idea what Ubuntu uses as fonts, but you can likely install and use the same fonts as there. |
| 21:42.10 | Heavy_Mettle | I was mainly referring to the font rendering. |
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| 21:43.25 | petn-randall | Heavy_Mettle: You can also enable subpixel hinting in Debian, if that's what you're asking for. |
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| 21:45.47 | Heavy_Mettle | The mate desktop already has light subpixel hinting. |
| 21:46.41 | Heavy_Mettle | It looks good for my eyes i am asking mostly as a way to learn. |
| 21:47.15 | petn-randall | Hmm, then I don't know what you're asking for. |
| 21:48.00 | Heavy_Mettle | I have read in articles that ubuntu has better font rendering. |
| 21:48.30 | Heavy_Mettle | I may have been misled |
| 21:49.16 | petn-randall | If said articles don't explain why they come to that conclusion I'd just disregard them. |
| 21:49.20 | Heavy_Mettle | I know that people used to make a custon fonts.conf file with various settings. |
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| 21:50.18 | Heavy_Mettle | Yes and thank you for your time explaining this to me. I was simply curious if there was any truth to the claim. |
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| 21:51.02 | petn-randall | Hard to say, but the burden of proof always lays with the claimant. So if the article offers no explaination I'd just assume it's made up. |
| 21:52.13 | Heavy_Mettle | yes, i will, Thank you for your time. |
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| 22:38.15 | Heavy_Mettle | petn-randall: On the topic of fonts: if one runs the xrdb -query command and compares it with the ubuntu settings. We can see that debian and ubuntu have the same font rendering configuration. |
| 22:38.23 | Heavy_Mettle | Good to know. |
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| 22:39.17 | petn-randall | Heavy_Mettle: Neither Ubuntu nor Debian uses X11 anymore by default, though. |
| 22:39.32 | petn-randall | Not sure what the wayland equivalent would be, though. |
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| 22:39.50 | Heavy_Mettle | yeah i gotta find that out too. |
| 22:40.10 | Heavy_Mettle | But since i am using mate. this will do. |
| 22:40.11 | robobox | does MATE/XFCE/LXQt even have Wayland support? never checked |
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| 22:40.27 | Heavy_Mettle | Mate doesn't if i am not mistaken |
| 22:40.33 | Heavy_Mettle | Gnome does |
| 22:40.45 | sney | KDE Plasma barely does. I imagine the other DE developers are working on it |
| 22:40.52 | petn-randall | robobox: I'm sure xfce does, no idea about the rest. |
| 22:41.20 | gnychis | after installing TLP for better battery management, I've noticed that when I have keyboard shortcuts setup in XFCE, that using a key combination to lock an application has become unreliable and sometimes duplicates. Not sure if this is the best place to ask, but figured I'd try |
| 22:41.38 | sney | TLP? |
| 22:42.13 | petn-randall | sney: tlp, the package. |
| 22:42.27 | Heavy_Mettle | gnychis: Have you tried xbindkeys instead of the default xfce keybinding settings? |
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| 22:42.51 | gnychis | Heavy_Mettle: let me try that now |
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| 22:44.04 | Heavy_Mettle | It has a learning curve but you can do all kinds of keybinding with it. Hopefully, might solve your problem |
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| 22:47.49 | b0bby__ | hello I'm trying to install debian and I'm getting the following issue: It cant detect my ethernet card so It asks for the name of the driver. I select iwlwifi and it takes me back to the same screen. The firmware for the card is located in /lib/firmware |
| 22:47.58 | b0bby__ | can someone help me get the network working |
| 22:48.09 | sney | !firmware image |
| 22:48.09 | dpkg | There are <live> system and <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages available from https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ The images are "unofficial" because "official Debian" includes only 100% free software. They are otherwise identical to the normal installer images and prepared by the same Debian Developers. See <check iso>. |
| 22:48.30 | sney | using the firmware netinst is the easiest option for installing over wifi |
| 22:48.45 | Heavy_Mettle | ^ This, The non-free iso's are great. |
| 22:49.07 | H-var | hello, does anyone know, how I can make OpenGL G-sync to stay disabled after I reboot the PC in the nVidia X Server Settings? |
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| 22:49.20 | b0bby__ | sney: I'll do that but can you tell me how to do it without that in the meantime? |
| 22:49.23 | gnychis | Heavy_Mettle: got xbindkeys working, thanks a lot |
| 22:49.38 | Heavy_Mettle | Your welcome. |
| 22:49.46 | petn-randall | b0bby__: iwlwifi is for wireless network devices, but you're referring to your Ethernet card. |
| 22:50.12 | b0bby__ | petn-randall: it's a laptop so it was a wireless card with no ethernet port |
| 22:51.17 | petn-randall | b0bby__: Ah, in that case you want to use the firmware image shown above. ^^^ |
| 22:51.27 | Heavy_Mettle | Like dpkg said: try the non-free iso's. They are made by the same team that packages the normal iso's but include a lot more firmware. |
| 22:51.48 | Heavy_Mettle | Makes installing Debian like installing ubuntu, or Linux mint. |
| 22:52.17 | b0bby__ | Heavy_Mettle: I'm downloading it now. But just to scratch my curiosity can you tell me how to do it without? |
| 22:52.51 | b0bby__ | I know it seems kinda silly but it's just something I'd like to know |
| 22:53.04 | Heavy_Mettle | Otherwise your have to download the firmware you need (you have to know which) and put it in a usb pen. The installer will ask you where the firmware is located. |
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| 22:54.15 | Heavy_Mettle | Just use the non-free iso's if you don't have an objection to a free non free components on your system. |
| 22:54.28 | Heavy_Mettle | * a few |
| 22:54.57 | b0bby__ | Heavy_Mettle: I tried to do that but it didn't grab the firmware from the usb. I managed to copy it off manually. It's a .ucode file, it there anyway to load it in the cmd line? |
| 22:55.37 | sney | the firmware ucode files need to have the exact path expected by the driver, it can't search for them, so they can't just be dumped into /lib/firmware directly. if the file is in the right place, it'll load when the driver loads. |
| 22:57.28 | sney | it also needs to be the specific file for your nic model. modinfo iwlwifi|grep ucode|wc -l returns 35 different supported blobs, only one of which is the right one for your nic |
| 22:58.20 | sney | well, I guess the iwlwifi files do live in the root of /lib/firmware. but the rest still applies. |
| 22:58.28 | b0bby__ | sney: ok |
| 22:58.52 | Heavy_Mettle | ^ this. After you install the non-free iso's you can install the vrms package and run it it will tell you which firmare you are using, along with other non-free software you have on your machine. |
| 22:58.53 | ratrace | H-var: iirc, those settings can be restored from a file, either on boot or when the DM session sources its rc file |
| 22:59.29 | ratrace | H-var: I think that nvida-driver has a nvidia-persistence-something-somethign service exactly for that |
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| 23:02.50 | Lope | ratrace, any ideas about network interface name in dropbear |
| 23:03.01 | Lope | ratrace, I see on my old install I had enpblahblahblah |
| 23:03.29 | Lope | but on this new server, I don't know what the name is going to be, cos the new install has not been booted yet. |
| 23:03.38 | Lope | the rescue system calls it eth0 |
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| 23:09.30 | CrystalMath | apt often wants to trash my modified package versions with the official ones |
| 23:09.50 | CrystalMath | what do i do to tell it that these packages are not old? |
| 23:10.57 | Heavy_Mettle | You could sudo apt-mark hold <package-name> |
| 23:11.13 | CrystalMath | i guess |
| 23:11.15 | CrystalMath | i do that |
| 23:11.18 | Heavy_Mettle | It will hold that package and not update it until you want to |
| 23:11.20 | CrystalMath | but i was looking for a cleaner way |
| 23:12.07 | CrystalMath | this is about X.org specifically |
| 23:12.14 | CrystalMath | i recompile it with --without-systemd |
| 23:12.22 | CrystalMath | because otherwise it spams my logs |
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| 23:16.23 | Heavy_Mettle | Does this solve your problem? https://wiki.debian.org/apt-src |
| 23:17.11 | Heavy_Mettle | It also sugests dpkg-divert for your purposes. |
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| 23:22.18 | b0bby__ | sney: thanks for all the help guys |
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| 23:31.23 | Lope | night night |
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