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| 06:24.04 | generic | why is there only netinst in https://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/archive/5.0.0/i386/iso-cd/ ? |
| 06:24.24 | generic | md5sums are there |
| 06:24.36 | generic | but where are the isos ? |
| 06:25.25 | wsky | maybe you should find a mirror server |
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| 06:28.38 | generic | wsky: is there a mirror list for the archive ? |
| 06:28.58 | themill | !missing images |
| 06:28.58 | dpkg | Not all Debian CD/DVD images are made available for download due to space considerations on mirrors. If you are one of the very few people who really requires these images, use jigdo to produce these using a Debian mirror; ask me about <jigdo> and <mirrors>. http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#not-all-images |
| 06:29.25 | generic | themill, i tried jigdo .. but jigdo said 0 of 1234 files found |
| 06:29.29 | themill | terabytes of ancient images aren't kept around |
| 06:30.22 | generic | jigdo doesnt need the images ? |
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| 06:30.40 | themill | sounds like you didn't point jigdo at the right archive to find the old packages |
| 06:31.14 | themill | jigdo is able to (re)construct the images; no need to keep them |
| 06:31.41 | generic | themill, i downloaded the jigdo and the template from the archive |
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| 06:49.59 | freebench | hey, trying to fix missing terminal bell. these are done http://ix.io/2MaL |
| 06:50.22 | freebench | also the checkbox to enable the bell ticked in the Proferences |
| 06:51.31 | freebench | xfce4-terminal 0.8.10-1 |
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| 07:15.29 | alexrelis[m] | If only there was a downloading method that was a combination of jigdo and bittorrent. |
| 07:18.33 | generic | alexrelis[m], I'm fine with jigdo but the sources werent migrated it seems |
| 07:19.08 | matsaman | given a certain popularity won't bittorrent always be faster? |
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| 07:19.43 | generic | suppose the debian-live has a debootstrap on it ... |
| 07:20.31 | StarOnD | Hello I have Debian 10.7Â with kernel 4.19.0-13, how can I upgrade to the latest kernel? |
| 07:26.29 | alexrelis[m] | StarOnD: https://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ |
| 07:27.54 | StarOnD | alexrelis[m] thank you |
| 07:28.27 | alexrelis[m] | Add the backports repository to your system with the instructions in the link I sent and then run (as a root user) `apt update && apt install -t buster-backports linux-image-amd64 -y` if you are using an x86 system. |
| 07:29.14 | StarOnD | that will upgrade the kernel? |
| 07:31.15 | alexrelis[m] | StarOnD: It will upgrade the kernel to the version that backports has. Currently that is version 5.9.15-1. |
| 07:31.38 | StarOnD | alexrelix[m] thank you. let me try. |
| 07:31.41 | alexrelis[m] | Which is pretty recent. I'm on Debian Unstable and I'm using version 5.10. |
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| 07:38.38 | StarOnD | alexrelis[m] I did as you told. Do I need to reboot now ? |
| 07:39.09 | alexrelis[m] | StarOnD: If you want to load the newer kernel, then yes. You'll need to reboot. |
| 07:39.24 | StarOnD | ok thank you. I'll be back after rebooting. |
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| 07:46.42 | StarOnD | alexrelis[m] it seems to have worked. many thanks. |
| 07:48.33 | alexrelis[m] | StarOnD: No problem! Have a nice day/night. |
| 07:48.40 | brigand | anyone here using xscreensaver? |
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| 07:52.12 | alexrelis[m] | brigand: I used to use it when I was on Openbox. I like the bouncing cow effect. |
| 07:54.41 | brigand | i just use it to blank and lock the screen. i could use gnome-screensaver for that but i don't like the logging back in procedure and that it seems to sometimes freeze my display. but xscreensaver does not save the "lock screen after" setting. it always resets itself to 720 minutes |
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| 08:04.12 | brigand | i guess it's bug #662883 |
| 08:04.13 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/662883 in xscreensaver (open): «xscreensaver-demo overwrites options»; severity: normal; opened: 2012-03-06; last modified: 2012-03-07. |
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| 08:45.29 | brigand | also my alt+tab to change windows is broken :( |
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| 09:02.23 | EdePopede | > Believe it or not, it used to do that, but the Gnome UI team decided "people should not be allowed to edit seconds in the UI". |
| 09:02.24 | EdePopede | what |
| 09:03.15 | EdePopede | brigand. is it only the demo as mentioned in the bug report? |
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| 09:07.44 | brigand | only? "-demo" is called the only ui to change xscreensaver's settings |
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| 09:09.33 | brigand | i tried changing the ~/.xscreensaver file (i've got no .Xdefaults file) and restart with xscreensaver-command but to no avail. i'll keep trying though |
| 09:10.10 | EdePopede | i don't use it at all now, but while i did i usually stayed for a while with the same saver. especially after there was a port of really slick to linux. |
| 09:12.02 | brigand | i don't use screensavers. i just use the blanking and locking function of it |
| 09:12.14 | brigand | screensavers are a waste of resources nowadays |
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| 09:12.26 | EdePopede | indeed, i only have settings for minutes for all 3 |
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| 09:13.00 | EdePopede | no burn-in for LCD/LED at all anymore? |
| 09:13.23 | EdePopede | but yes, usually i just turn off the monitor, it returns much faster than a crt |
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| 09:16.10 | brigand | i was imprecise. xscreensaver has it's own terminology i guess. "blanking" also means "turning the monitor off" there |
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| 10:28.50 | sgo11 | Some update from yesterday's question: I have upgraded my kernel to linux-image-5.9.0-0.bpo.5-amd64. AMD Ryzen 7 4800U CPU temperature is still high compared to intel CPU. 50+ C when idle. 70+ C when launching any app. It's 27 C when running on intel CPU for the same OS. |
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| 10:29.32 | ratrace | at this point, I'd remove the cooler, clean everything up, reapply the thermal paste and reattach the cooler |
| 10:30.15 | ratrace | but wait... you said that was a laptop? ugh... probably not an option then. |
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| 10:30.44 | sgo11 | ratrace: It's a new laptop which I just bought two weeks ago. I don't plan to open the cover this fast. yeah, it's a laptop. :) |
| 10:31.20 | brigand | the laptop has an amd cpu and an intel cpu? |
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| 10:31.28 | ratrace | it's still a possibility that the cooler was badly attached, or thermal paste being bad quality or missing, so maybe you should take it in under warranty |
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| 10:32.00 | ratrace | on the other hand, AMDs do have higher idle temps and lower max temps. as long as it doesn't go above ~70°, should be fine |
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| 10:32.41 | sgo11 | brigand: it only has an amd cpu. I am running live system. When I run the same system (usb drive) on another intel laptop, it's only around 27 C. |
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| 10:33.44 | sgo11 | I did google this CPU (I said this yesterday). It seems this CPU does have high temperature in general. Maybe I just live with it. |
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| 10:34.26 | brigand | if it's new send it back |
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| 10:37.12 | sgo11 | brigand: thanks for the advice. I don't bother to return it. The return period has passed anyway. :) |
| 10:37.54 | sgo11 | The spec says 105 C max. Maybe it's fine when it's running around 70 C. |
| 10:37.55 | brigand | good luck then |
| 10:37.56 | ratrace | sgo11: but you have warranty, no? |
| 10:38.49 | ratrace | 105° is probably the "Imma shut down now, bai" kinda "max". there's the other, "nominal" max if you want the cpu to live a few years, don't make it hotter than this. for AMD that has typically been ~70, unless these new zens changed that |
| 10:41.08 | sgo11 | The seller says this CPU temp is normal. anyway. I will not buy any AMD cpu in the future. This is my first AMD laptop. It's cheap and has a much higher benchmark score than intel CPU. that's why I picked it. |
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| 10:44.57 | azeem | you can't say "intel is cooler", there's multiple power design levels for intel as well, and the different between a low-output and a performance notebook cpu for Intel will be also large |
| 10:44.59 | ratrace | don't dismiss AMD based on ONE very much skewed use case. unless you mean laptops. laptops suck in general. I stopped using and buying them years ago |
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| 10:55.07 | sgo11 | ok. |
| 10:55.26 | sgo11 | laptop is just easier when carrying around. |
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| 11:39.56 | freem | few days ago, someone here told about a command to show why a running process uses memory. What was that command? (I'm investigating why a program of mine uses (a lot) more memory that I thought it would) |
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| 11:42.30 | ratrace | freem: pmap <pid> ? |
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| 11:43.30 | freem | yes, thanks! I'll be sure to note it, this time |
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| 13:48.27 | tgunr | I have a booting problem, I have a ZFS boot drive, after a restart it scrolls along nicely then goes dark with the words "lvm not available". Web results are mostly about crypto drives but I am not even using LVM. I booted into recovery ok and tries a zfs rollback to earlier snapshot, the problem persists. I tried various scans in lvm, pgscan, etc but there are no drives showing as lvm. The keyboard is unresponsive and I |
| 13:48.27 | tgunr | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:05.07 | jack2019 | tgunr: search for: grub rescue |
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| 14:05.27 | tgunr | how is this a grub issue? |
| 14:05.35 | tgunr | I can boot using recovery |
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| 14:07.26 | jack2019 | tgunr: recovery on what? |
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| 14:08.28 | tgunr | on the boot drive i presume, it offers a choice in advanced |
| 14:09.09 | elmomani | Hi, my Kali linux (installed on SSD) and Ubuntu (installed in HDD) both of them take too long to boot. I've done many things recently which could cause this issue: 1)I updated BIOS from windows update (insyde firmware) 2)installed Hackintosh 3) (most recent) removed swap partition(on SSD), but I also commented the swap line from /etc/fstb for both kali and ubuntu. finally, I fixed the problem by adding "nosplash" for linux args on GRUP, but this is |
| 14:09.09 | elmomani | very strange and I want to know whay's happening? |
| 14:09.42 | jack2019 | tgunr: run the command: lsblk |
| 14:09.51 | tgunr | k |
| 14:10.20 | tgunr | all kinds of stuff |
| 14:10.42 | tgunr | I see all my drives |
| 14:10.50 | tgunr | sda-sdl |
| 14:10.54 | jack2019 | tgnur: are they mounted? |
| 14:11.20 | tgunr | no |
| 14:12.04 | tgunr | only / on pool/ROOT/debian |
| 14:12.07 | jack2019 | you have to tell to the grub which drive to mount first |
| 14:12.40 | tgunr | looking in /boot |
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| 14:13.57 | tgunr | I see the advanced menu option i booted from |
| 14:14.48 | tgunr | looks like the only difference between normal and recovery is 'single' |
| 14:15.02 | jack2019 | tgnur: search for: resque, repair, reinstall grub bootloader |
| 14:15.09 | tgunr | k |
| 14:16.28 | tgunr | none of this available |
| 14:16.58 | tgunr | grub.cfg is built from /etc/default, no? |
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| 14:17.59 | jack2019 | tgunr: if you restart, how do you start the rescue mode: |
| 14:18.12 | jack2019 | by cd? |
| 14:18.23 | tgunr | down arrow into advanced, down arrow into recovery |
| 14:19.43 | jack2019 | have you made any change in file /etc/fstab before resaart the system? |
| 14:19.51 | tgunr | nope |
| 14:20.45 | tgunr | no changes since Dec 15 |
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| 14:22.12 | H-var | why pulseaudio is defaulted to -11 NI in debian? Are there problems in its code? |
| 14:22.25 | tgunr | i'm wondering if an update and did something |
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| 14:28.01 | LtL | H-var: for what it's worth, mine is -11 also. |
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| 14:31.28 | Nitrigaur | I'm trying to get sshd to allow local SSH2-key-based login without password for my ansible user. |
| 14:32.08 | jack2019 | tgunr: as you see nobody answered to your question, it is a big topic and many parameters to chack and to figureout and to investigate what goes wrong. |
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| 14:32.44 | tgunr | sigh, so much for using snapshots |
| 14:33.01 | beelzebuzz | they didn't ask a question |
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| 14:33.13 | tgunr | I'm trying to find at which point in the boot is it trying to find lvm |
| 14:33.20 | Nitrigaur | At the moment I get access denied || publickey, even though I have added the public key to the authorized_keys of my ansible user |
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| 14:34.28 | Nitrigaur | I'm using a fully updated version of Debian Buster |
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| 14:34.43 | tgunr | Nitrigaur I usually set up an alternate sushi on the server with `/sbin/sshd -d -D -p 2222' then they to connect `ssh -v ` and look at both sides, usually it will show what is wrong |
| 14:36.09 | Nitrigaur | tgunr: That is a indeed a neat idea. Thank you :-) I'll try troubleshooting the issue with a second instance of sshd. |
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| 14:37.13 | jack2019 | tgnur: try: vgchange -a y |
| 14:37.22 | tgunr | looking |
| 14:37.48 | jack2019 | it will activate inactive volumes |
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| 14:38.09 | tgunr | then what? reboot? |
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| 14:39.03 | tgunr | lvm scans still show nada |
| 14:41.05 | tgunr | lvm config is about the only command that shows something |
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| 14:41.31 | jack2019 | tgunr: zpool import -a -f |
| 14:41.37 | jack2019 | and reboot |
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| 14:41.51 | tgunr | zpools import fine |
| 14:42.09 | tgunr | or at least my main ones did, didn't try all |
| 14:42.39 | tgunr | trying pool import -a |
| 14:42.53 | tgunr | all pools mounted |
| 14:43.09 | jack2019 | reboot |
| 14:44.06 | mfrisch | does debian use snapd for app installs like ubuntu? |
| 14:44.19 | tgunr | k |
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| 14:45.39 | tgunr | lvm is not available |
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| 14:47.32 | tgunr | back in recovery |
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| 14:50.24 | jack2019 | tgunr: vgchange -ay |
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| 14:50.56 | tgunr | just a sec, was able to startup sshd so i can plug in from this machine and cut and paste |
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| 14:52.55 | tgunr | ok, change done, how to tell if it did anything |
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| 15:01.53 | tomreyn | tgunr: LVs would now show as 'a'ctive in "lvs" output, in the "Attr" column |
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| 15:02.36 | tgunr | nothing there |
| 15:02.58 | tgunr | I am not using lvm at all AFAIK, only zfs |
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| 15:05.55 | Nitrigaur | tgunr, when I try to run the second sshd server, I get the missing privilege separation directory /run/sshd error, I thought this was already fixed in 2017, but apparently not. Thanks again. I'm going to have some quality time with my girlfriend :-) |
| 15:06.14 | tgunr | Just had that here also |
| 15:06.32 | tgunr | try `mkdir /run/sshd;chmod 700 /run/sshd' |
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| 15:07.26 | Nitrigaur | tgunr, I already did that, but I'm stopping for now. Have a good (insert local time here) and all the best. |
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| 15:25.56 | tgunr | Where in the world is this "lvm is not available" string coming from? Been looking and looking |
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| 16:06.44 | tgunr | Got a bit further, reinstalled lvm2 and now able to ssh into server even though console is hung at "lvm is not available" |
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| 16:12.49 | tgunr | I do see one difference between the time it booted on Dec 15, and today, Closed LVM2 poll daemon socket |
| 16:12.49 | tgunr | https://dsc.cloud/8e6a8d/1610813457.png |
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| 16:22.06 | tgunr | Found this |
| 16:22.06 | tgunr | â lvm2-activation.service not-found inactive dead lvm2-activation.service |
| 16:22.06 | tgunr | Is that significant? |
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| 16:23.57 | f8e4 | hi |
| 16:24.10 | f8e4 | error while loading shared libraries: libncursesw.so.5: ca |
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| 16:24.50 | f8e4 | got it |
| 16:25.15 | Tenkawa | f8e4: figured it out? |
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| 16:25.33 | f8e4 | yes ty |
| 16:25.37 | Tenkawa | :) |
| 16:25.39 | Tenkawa | cool |
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| 16:34.11 | StarOnD | I am reading : https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList what is the difference between buster, buster/updates and buster-updates? |
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| 16:39.44 | brigand | buster is if you want to install packages in general, buster/updates is security updates, buster-updates is ... just new updates of already installed packages i guess |
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| 16:41.57 | brigand | https://wiki.debian.org/StableUpdates |
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| 16:44.29 | brigand | so buster-updates contains updates that would be in 10.8 (if it comes) |
| 16:46.09 | brigand | apparently there's also buster-proposed-updates but i wouldn't go there xD |
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| 16:50.26 | StarOnD | thank you brigand |
| 16:50.39 | brigand | you're welcome |
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| 17:57.33 | alex11 | what is the package you're meant to install on laptops? some power thing |
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| 17:58.04 | nkuttler | task-laptop? |
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| 17:59.53 | alex11 | nkuttler, no, i think i'm thinking of tlp |
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| 18:01.17 | brigand | pm-utils? powertop? |
| 18:02.01 | Datz | anyone familiar with installing Plex remotely? |
| 18:03.01 | alex11 | no, tlp. i found it. |
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| 18:18.44 | Datz | omg thought I had to run the config only from the local PC |
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| 18:20.41 | mindpixel | Datz: it is just a .deb you install as any other package |
| 18:24.22 | Datz | I installed it, but I thought I had to configure it only on the local pc where it was installed |
| 18:24.54 | Datz | which I then realized my vga to hdmi converter was not working anymore |
| 18:25.18 | Datz | then when I found a monitor with VGA, I realized I had not installed a desktop environment |
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| 18:29.07 | unborn | well.. |
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| 18:30.11 | no_gravity | Good Evening |
| 18:30.57 | unborn | no_gravity: good evening to you too. |
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| 18:32.17 | unborn | Datz: sound to me like giid question for plex channel.... |
| 18:32.46 | unborn | *good...] |
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| 18:32.51 | raekuul | is lxqt's assumption that "multiple monitors on startx means extended desktop" a debian thing or an lxqt thing? |
| 18:33.08 | Datz | unborn: which question? |
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| 18:33.29 | Datz | oh about plex? That's solved. |
| 18:33.50 | unborn | oh you forgot the one already..yeah the solved one |
| 18:34.07 | Datz | Ok, I'll go ask there, then |
| 18:34.57 | Datz | but, yes. You're probably right. |
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| 18:37.22 | brigand | good evening/day/morning |
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| 19:33.26 | brabo | hey. after upgrading chromium to chromium_87.0.4280.141-0.1~deb10u1_amd64 when trying to join a jitsi meet, it just hangs. after manually going back to chromium_87.0.4280.88-0.4~deb10u1_amd64 with the corresponding chromium-common and chromium-sandbox packages it works again |
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| 19:37.11 | sney | brabo: that sounds like a bug, check this to see if the issue has already been reported (bugs numbered in the high 9xxxxx are more recent) and if not, report it |
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| 19:37.51 | sney | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=chromium;dist=buster |
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| 20:13.18 | jim | is there still archive.debian.(net|org)? |
| 20:13.29 | sney | !archive |
| 20:13.29 | dpkg | An archive is a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Debian Archives is the repository for old Debian releases, see http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive . For the package archive, ask me about <snapshot>. For old Debian <ISO> files ask me about <cd archive>. For old versions of source code see https://sources.debian.org/ |
| 20:13.56 | sney | yep, http://archive.debian.org/debian/ |
| 20:15.50 | jim | thanks |
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| 21:31.52 | lowin | I want to install evolution-ews but I get "evolution-ews : Depends: libedataserver-1.2-23 (>= 3.30.5-1.1~) but 3.30.5-1+deb10u1 is to be installed" |
| 21:32.09 | lowin | My repo list is up to date. Any idea how to fix that? |
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| 21:34.13 | azeem | lowin: then try apt install evolution-ews libedataserver-1.2-23=3.30.5-1.1~bpo10+1 |
| 21:36.53 | lowin | azeem, Now it requires a bunch of other unmet dependencies: "Depends: libebackend-1.2-10 (>= 3.30.5) but it is not going to be installed" |
| 21:37.29 | azeem | I guess you need to tell it to prefer buster-backports |
| 21:37.36 | azeem | !backports |
| 21:37.37 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
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| 21:37.53 | azeem | !debian-backports |
| 21:37.54 | dpkg | backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable (see <buster backports>) and oldstable (<stretch backports>) distributions, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <bdo xorg> <bdo NEW>. |
| 21:38.12 | lowin | Installing from backports seem to work but shouldn't it be installable from main repositories? |
| 21:38.59 | azeem | evolution-ews seems to be only available in buster-backports |
| 21:39.06 | lowin | oh |
| 21:40.53 | lowin | It's working now. thanks for your help |
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| 22:05.07 | tgunr | this is weird, i run a x11 server from mac to my server and the key mapping is all wrong, \n is , z = 1, x =2 etc. Is this on the server side or client ? |
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| 22:30.06 | H-var_ | what will happen, if I remove the nvidia proprietary "nvidia x org server settings" driver? Will I be able to play video games from steam on the debian's open source drivers? |
| 22:30.11 | H-var_ | just the same |
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| 22:30.57 | ratrace | H-var_: not really |
| 22:31.33 | ratrace | maybe some low performance / lo-fi games |
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| 22:46.20 | SubOptimal | Where can I find which commands are supported by the dpkg bot? I have seen often the `!package` but even this command is not mentioned on https://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot |
| 22:48.32 | sney | !bot search |
| 22:48.32 | dpkg | You can search my database on the web at http://ircbots.debian.net/ or on IRC by asking me about <help listkeys> and <help-listvals>. My factoids are available at https://dpkg.donarmstrong.com/ in archives that are updated nightly and the previous 18 days are there. See also <search>. |
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| 22:51.12 | SubOptimal | Thanks but this also don't reveal the `!` command. I did a search already on this page. ! only seems to be either to short or it there is not match. |
| 22:51.45 | sney | huh? the ! is just the bot trigger, that site lists the commands |
| 22:51.55 | sney | you can also do it like this, |
| 22:51.57 | sney | dpkg: bot |
| 22:51.57 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
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| 22:54.15 | SubOptimal | Do you mean on https://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot? There is only one place with an ! and it's not an explanation to trigger the bot. |
| 22:54.40 | sney | I mean on http://ircbots.debian.net/ which is the link dpkg just provided |
| 22:54.43 | SubOptimal | When I use it in a privat channel with the bot I get "The addressCharacter "!" is to get my attention in a normal channel." But how would I know abfront? |
| 22:54.45 | ratrace | SubOptimal: /msg dpkg help |
| 22:55.02 | ratrace | and yes, you don't use ! in privmsg with teh bot |
| 22:55.41 | SubOptimal | ratrace: Merci. |
| 22:55.47 | sney | and it's an infobot, so debian doesn't need to re-document all the stuff from upstream, http://www.infobot.org/guide-0.43.x.html |
| 22:57.43 | SubOptimal | This I checked also already. But search on this page also did not reveal it. I will check around. |
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| 22:58.18 | ratrace | and there's also this: https://ircbots.debian.net/factoids/ |
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| 23:04.36 | SubOptimal | OK. I got it. ! is a generall call to the bot. I thought it's a shortcut for calling package informations. |
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| 23:27.56 | jhutchins | ratrace: When you /msg someone, most clients open a new window/tab, and you don't repeat the /msg. |
| 23:28.21 | jhutchins | ratrace: ! is just shorthand for "dpkg:" |
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| 23:30.29 | H-var | what the heck lol when I type "set" into the terminal, it prints out like a million lines of some source code! |
| 23:31.02 | freem | H-var: it's not lines of code, it's configuration |
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| 23:34.24 | H-var | is there an apt command to see the changelog of any package? |
| 23:34.55 | H-var | like apt changelog dpkg? |
| 23:35.52 | ratrace | jhutchins: I know, why telling me? :) |
| 23:35.55 | oerheks | apt-listchanges <package> |
| 23:36.57 | jhutchins | ratrace: Because I'm half blind and a klutz at matching nics and topics. |
| 23:37.03 | H-var | oerheks it gives me an error "apt-listchanges: dpkg does not have '.deb' extension" |
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| 23:38.14 | ratrace | jhutchins: np :) |
| 23:39.48 | jhutchins | ratrace: You ought to see me get lost in the scrollbuffer. (You probably have.) |
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