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| 00:05.55 | ogo | ratrace, trying CFLAGS=... as in your message gives the exact same error "ERROR: No matching distribution found for tensorflow" like the one in https://github.com/tensorflow/tensorflow/issues/33604 |
| 00:06.21 | ogo | i think for some reason the ":all:" bit is not accepted |
| 00:06.44 | tuxd3v | hello |
| 00:07.00 | tuxd3v | does any one knows how to setup zram on debian? |
| 00:07.09 | tuxd3v | i have a 4 core cpu |
| 00:07.28 | tuxd3v | and I wanted to setup 4 zram's with 256MiB each |
| 00:09.00 | tuxd3v | with lz4 algo |
| 00:13.04 | BCMM | tuxd3v: looks like zram-tools is the easy way to go |
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| 00:14.01 | tuxd3v | BCMM, thanks |
| 00:14.02 | BCMM | comes with a systemd unit that will set it up on boot, configurable by editing /etc/default/zramswap |
| 00:14.05 | tuxd3v | I installed it |
| 00:14.19 | tuxd3v | but I get this error |
| 00:14.24 | tuxd3v | zramswap.service is a disabled or a static unit not running, not starting it. |
| 00:14.30 | tuxd3v | on instalation |
| 00:14.56 | tuxd3v | shout I put the entries in /etc/fstab also? |
| 00:15.11 | BCMM | i don't think that's actually an error |
| 00:16.09 | BCMM | i think it's just because it's a "thing that should be done during boot" as opposed to a "service which is always running", if you see what i mean |
| 00:16.26 | BCMM | you could start it manually or just reboot |
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| 01:18.57 | JordiGH | Hm, cron was failing but it didn't email jordi@localhost with the problem. At least my local mailbox seems empty. Although I'm not even sure I have a local MTA installed. Do I need one? |
| 01:21.05 | sney | you would need a local mta for mail to be transferred locally, yeah |
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| 01:31.20 | mutante | JordiGH: you could replace crons with systemd timers and then you have stuff in regular logs and can check (and alert if you want) on failed state of the service.maybe use something completely different from email as the notification command |
| 01:31.55 | JordiGH | Nah crons are great. |
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| 01:32.18 | freem | I think cron can also reports problems in syslog? |
| 01:32.52 | freem | does not remove the usefulness of the mail feature, of course |
| 01:33.36 | kline\0 | the other thing about using timers is that its much harder to blow away every job with a typo |
| 01:33.44 | mutante | I am biased against email as a protocol wherever I see it, tbh. |
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| 01:34.24 | kline\0 | personally i put a lot of value on not wiping my state due to a single character transposition |
| 01:34.27 | mutante | the timer thing is nice because you can just alert on general "systemd state clean or not" |
| 01:34.37 | mutante | and then check details which of the jobs failed |
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| 01:43.42 | Alunus | coruja: Hi. You are brazilian? |
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| 01:47.10 | sney | !br |
| 01:47.10 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br on irc.oftc.net (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. - https://lists.debian.org/debian-user-portuguese/ |
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| 01:47.40 | Alunus | I'm brazilian |
| 01:48.01 | Alunus | I'm BR. |
| 01:48.23 | sney | I'm canadian, and this is #debian. if you have a debian support question, please ask. if you are just looking for other br people to chat with, please find a different channel |
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| 01:49.14 | Alunus | Okay. Thanks. I'm testing IRC. Sorry. |
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| 02:27.02 | cakeface | are MX Linux questions answered here? When I use screenfetch it shows debian buster 10.7 (but it is mx linux) |
| 02:27.19 | ectospasm | !not debian |
| 02:27.19 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 02:27.25 | cakeface | thanks |
| 02:27.34 | mutante | cakeface: you can try ##linux |
| 02:27.45 | cakeface | thank you |
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| 04:10.17 | maxrazer | Anyone got pipewire working to replace pulse audio? My audio setup is really messed up and a hassle to manage. I'm hoping pipewire would behave better or be more automatic. |
| 04:11.49 | alex11 | i've wondered about it too, it's in buster but i have no idea how well developed it is |
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| 04:36.33 | n4dir | the question has been asked a couple of times these days, in several chatrooms, and i didn't hear an answer very convincing. maxrazer |
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| 04:37.53 | n4dir | that really is hearsay though. I mainly know it exists. It wasn't discussed in deep anywhere. |
| 04:37.54 | maxrazer | I have two loopbacks and a few audio devices and often pulse audio gets confused. |
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| 04:39.14 | n4dir | you thought of jack? probably yes, you did. There is #lau and #opensourcemusicians too. |
| 04:39.58 | maxrazer | I don't think I want to use jack, and I'm not doing any mucisian stuff. I just record system audio with a mic sometimes and also want the right device to be used to play back audio. |
| 04:40.18 | n4dir | the much it was asked bout pipewire these days, we should hear more of it in the near future. |
| 04:40.20 | sney | I think aloo_shu (an OFTC regular) was successfully using pipewire in place of pulse, but I haven't seen him around for a bit |
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| 04:41.07 | n4dir | maxrazer: i think both mentioned channels would help with "just recording with a mic". Also whichever software you use to record should have a channel |
| 04:41.35 | maxrazer | I got the recording working. It just makes it easier for pulse audio to get confused. |
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| 07:51.41 | Lope | ratrace, I'm setting up a new install, I'm trying your fancy nspawn thing: `systemd-nspawn -D /tmp/foo/ -a bash` but the problem is blkid inside the container can't find _anything_ at all so cryptsetup isn't so happy. |
| 07:52.22 | Lope | whereas if I hypothetically use bind mounts and chroot, it would find the blkid's |
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| 08:12.27 | logithack | .iso of Debian including more of the commonly needed packages like dkms etc.? |
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| 09:07.45 | Lope | anyone know why when I chroot into a mounted fs, because I want to setup grub on it etc, like this: `systemd-nspawn -D /tmp/foo/ -a bash` |
| 09:07.51 | Lope | blkid doesn't show any drives? |
| 09:08.03 | Lope | How can I make some drives available to the container |
| 09:08.40 | ksk | Lope: I dont know about systemd-nspawn, but if you just used regular "chroot" you would have to mount /dev /proc etc into the chroot-hierachy |
| 09:08.44 | ksk | (bind-mount them) |
| 09:09.18 | Lope | ksk, I used to use chroot, but if I rbind it wrecks my host when I `unmount -l /tmp/foo/dev/{shm,pts}` |
| 09:10.02 | Lope | ksk, ratrace says you can use systemd-nspawn instead of bind mounting and chrooting... and it seems passable except no drives appear inside of it. |
| 09:10.20 | ksk | isnt there a command that scans for drives? |
| 09:10.29 | Lope | blkid can't see anything |
| 09:10.31 | ksk | maybe that is run on debian startup, but not in chroot. |
| 09:10.40 | Lope | nspawn likely must be told to make drives available |
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| 09:11.53 | Lope | I found this: https://gist.github.com/InsanePrawn/83d12bff45695a287c0a815baebbf953 |
| 09:12.05 | Lope | But I was hoping for a cleaner approach, allowing for a one-liner. |
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| 09:13.25 | Lope | I see things: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/304252/access-usb-device-from-systemd-nspawn-container |
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| 09:47.35 | ratrace | Lope: you have to --bind=/dev/<parts> that you will need inside |
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| 10:22.01 | imox | good morning I tried to install mariadb 10.4 and I need to add this key |
| 10:22.05 | imox | sudo apt-key adv --recv-keys --keyserver hkp://keyserver.ubuntu.com:80 0xF1656F24C74CD1D8 |
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| 10:22.17 | imox | but always I get this error gpg: keyserver receive failed: No keyserver available |
| 10:24.58 | ratrace | imox: where are you isntalling that from? is that a repo intended for debian buster? |
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| 10:25.47 | imox | https://computingforgeeks.com/how-to-install-mariadb-10-4-on-debian-9-debian-8/ |
| 10:25.56 | imox | I use debian 9 |
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| 10:29.05 | ratrace | imox: that guide doesn't say you should use the hkp:// scheme for keyserver.ubuntu.com |
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| 10:35.20 | imox | yes sorry |
| 10:35.21 | imox | sudo apt-key adv --recv-keys --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com 0xF1656F24C74CD1D8 |
| 10:35.26 | imox | this also doesnt work |
| 10:35.30 | imox | same issure |
| 10:37.39 | ratrace | no idea. you should ask the authors of that guide |
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| 10:42.39 | imox | anyway could you say me how to install mariadb 10.4 ? |
| 10:42.48 | jelly | imox, that site doesn't exactly scream quality but quantity. Why not try the upstream mariadb official docs for their repo? https://downloads.mariadb.org/mariadb/repositories/ |
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| 10:43.43 | jelly | found by doing a web search for: mariadb repo |
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| 10:46.17 | arseru | Hi! Is keys.gnupg.net down? The following command is failing for me: apt-key adv --keyserver keys.gnupg.net --recv-key 'E19F5F87128899B192B1A2C2AD5F960A256A04AF' |
| 10:47.03 | imox | jelly: gpg: WARNING: unable to fetch URI https://mariadb.org/mariadb_release_signing_key.asc: Connection refused |
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| 10:47.10 | brigand | arseru: works for me |
| 10:47.18 | imox | I tested it on a fresh debian 9 |
| 10:47.29 | arseru | brigand: It gave me "gpg: keyserver receive failed: No name" |
| 10:47.34 | brigand | arseru: did you do it as root or with sudo? |
| 10:47.45 | arseru | brigand: from a docker build, so root |
| 10:48.23 | imox | E: Failed to fetch https://mirror.dogado.de/mariadb/repo/10.5/debian/dists/stretch/InRelease |
| 10:48.36 | ratrace | do you both have proper dns resolving configured? |
| 10:49.12 | ratrace | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:49.46 | arseru | ratrace: I'm using a default python:3.7-slim docker base image |
| 10:49.59 | arseru | which was working a month ago, iirc |
| 10:49.59 | ratrace | I have no idea what that is |
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| 10:50.36 | arseru | ratrace: a docker image that is based on debian:buster-slim |
| 10:50.51 | ratrace | and frankly don't care :) bottom line is, do you have networking set up, with proper resolving, in that container. |
| 10:50.56 | imox | ratrace: maybe not xD ? |
| 10:51.11 | jelly | imox, pick a different mirror? |
| 10:51.16 | arseru | okay, now I just executed again and it worked after 5 failed attempts, weird |
| 10:51.36 | jelly | imox, assuming you get the gpg key and pressed forward |
| 10:51.36 | arseru | I think keys.gnupg.net was down for me temporarily |
| 10:51.42 | arseru | thanks for your help! |
| 10:51.58 | imox | jelly: but which one? this is the morrir from the official mariadb page |
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| 10:52.12 | jelly | imox, there's 50 different mirrors to pick? |
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| 10:53.03 | jelly | netcologne maybe, dunno |
| 10:53.53 | imox | nothing works |
| 10:54.05 | imox | gpg: requesting key from 'https://mariadb.org/mariadb_release_signing_key.asc' |
| 10:54.06 | imox | gpg: WARNING: unable to fetch URI https://mariadb.org/mariadb_release_signing_key.asc: Connection refused |
| 10:54.24 | imox | I think I have a problem with my container and network or sth. ? |
| 10:54.38 | ratrace | imox: can you wget https://mariadb.org/mariadb_release_signing_key.asc ? |
| 10:54.41 | imox | but I can install all normal packages |
| 10:54.44 | jelly | imox, what does "getent hosts mariadb.org" say |
| 10:54.47 | imox | and can ping google .... |
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| 10:55.46 | jelly | that's not "nothing works", that's "I'm stil unable to fetch repo signature keys to even TRY a mirror properly" |
| 10:55.54 | imox | getent ? |
| 10:56.08 | jelly | yes |
| 10:56.17 | jelly | it's a command, run it |
| 10:57.07 | ratrace | imox: whenever you face a command you never heard of before, it's VERY much recommended you check the manpage for it |
| 10:57.10 | imox | 2a01:4f8:121:3039::2 mariadb.org |
| 10:57.10 | imox | 2a01:4f8:13a:164e::2 mariadb.org |
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| 10:57.14 | tmm88 | if you have trouble installing mariadb install a proper version of ubuntu and you will get done within a fifth of the necessary time in debian |
| 10:57.14 | jelly | it's the most fundamental command to verify dns resolution works. (you can check dns with ping, but it does more than just dns) |
| 10:57.28 | jelly | imox, does your VPS have ipv6 connectivity at all? |
| 10:57.40 | imox | no ipv4 |
| 10:58.34 | ratrace | well, if you use "hosts mariadb.org" it shows both ipv4, ipv6 and mx .... frankly, dunno why getent would be most fundamental, it returns only ipv6 for me as well |
| 10:59.14 | imox | ok |
| 10:59.33 | ratrace | *host btw, not hosts (plural) |
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| 11:00.27 | imox | 2a01:4f8:121:3039::2 mariadb.org |
| 11:00.28 | imox | 2a01:4f8:13a:164e::2 mariadb.org |
| 11:00.41 | imox | this the output so it works ;) |
| 11:01.15 | jelly | host and dig don't use the glibc resolver library, getent hosts does |
| 11:01.24 | ratrace | it shows ipv6 of that name. you can get AAAA results even if you do not have ipv6 connectivity; so are you sure you have ipv6 there? |
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| 11:01.38 | tmm88 | ok, for hosting core services debian may be better then ubuntu, but for the sake of general linux usage, oriented for a user perspective ubuntu may be a way of a better option |
| 11:01.39 | ratrace | can you ping -6 mariadb.org ? |
| 11:01.52 | imox | no I donât have it only ipv4 |
| 11:01.59 | ratrace | tmm88: no |
| 11:02.10 | ratrace | imox: can you ping -4 mariadb.org ? |
| 11:02.28 | jelly | tmm88, they're not asking for a mariadb install, they're asking for a specific version |
| 11:02.37 | imox | yes the ping works |
| 11:02.39 | Dagger | you want `getent ahosts`, not `getent hosts` |
| 11:02.45 | jelly | oh right |
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| 11:03.33 | mamonetti | hi |
| 11:04.18 | imox | getent ahosts mariadb.org also works |
| 11:05.28 | jelly | imox, does "telnet one-of-the-iptv4-address-results-from-getent-ahosts 443" work? |
| 11:05.43 | tmm88 | that's the kind of stuff that works way much better in ubuntu. of course, if you want to be a sysadmin you shall try to move slowly into debian and then later into arch, but for the sake of general godsake knows what, ubuntu is way much easier to use. of course that if you are trying to fix this from a user perspective ubuntu is better. but for a server perspective it's arch and debian period. so if you |
| 11:05.46 | Dagger | (and `hosts` is a DNS client -- it doesn't test system name resolution, it parses resolv.conf for a DNS server and then queries it directly. so it'll test if you can reach the DNS server it picks, and it tests if that server is responding, but won't tell you very much about how other programs will behave) |
| 11:05.48 | mamonetti | is there any way to know why an usb wifi interface is renamed from wlanXmon to renameX when switching to monitor mode? i'm using a rbpi and i'm forcing the wlanX name in the first place with a set of udev rules like this one: ACTION=="add", SUBSYSTEM=="net", SUBSYSTEMS=="usb", KERNELS=="1-1.2", NAME="wlan1" |
| 11:05.49 | mamonetti | thx |
| 11:05.49 | tmm88 | are trying to install maria db on a server, cool. if you are trying to install maria db not on a server but in localhost for the sake of running the service in a server debian and arch please |
| 11:06.17 | ratrace | so I'm gonna WAG it here .... the VPS has ipv6 address so the OS thinks it's okay to use ipv6, but the network isn't set up really, and it fails. programs won't re-try ipv4 if ipv6 fails on otherwise enabled ipv6 (with routing) system |
| 11:06.19 | imox | jelly: yes telnet works |
| 11:06.29 | mamonetti | i mean, it works fine if i don't enter monitor mode |
| 11:06.45 | jelly | imox, well then apt ought to work as well, and not return Connection refused, so that's weird |
| 11:06.52 | jelly | apt-key* |
| 11:06.59 | ratrace | this can be verified by wgetting something, eg. that asc file, via ipv6 and ipv4 respectively. if ipv6 works, then this theory fails. |
| 11:07.08 | jelly | imox, which IP did you try? |
| 11:07.25 | imox | 178.63.77.61 |
| 11:08.29 | Dagger | ratrace: most programs, including apt-get, do retry. apt-get has an issue where it only reports the *last* connection failure though, which seems to constantly mislead people. I like `wget` for testing since it prints the list of DNS results, each connection attempt and a failure reason for each attempt |
| 11:08.30 | ratrace | wget -6 https://mariadb.org/mariadb_release_signing_key.asc .... does that download the file or results with unreachable? |
| 11:08.38 | ratrace | imox: ^ |
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| 11:09.39 | imox | Connecting to mariadb.org (mariadb.org)|2a01:4f8:121:3039::2|:443... failed: No route to host. |
| 11:09.43 | ratrace | Dagger: if IPV6 is locally set up, programs generally do not "fall back" to ipv4. |
| 11:09.51 | ratrace | imox: now try tahat again with -4 instead of -6 |
| 11:10.19 | ratrace | Dagger: it's a different matter if there's a list to try, like eg. apt would have with mirrors or something |
| 11:10.30 | imox | with 4 it works ;) |
| 11:10.35 | ratrace | well then.... theory confirmed |
| 11:11.09 | Dagger | no, they do. getaddrinfo() returns a list of addresses for the hostname lookup and programs iterate over those. apt does that too |
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| 11:11.30 | ratrace | imox: question is now, is ipv6 connectivity broken on your end, or mariadb.org has an issue. |
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| 11:12.23 | imox | I donât get it? |
| 11:12.49 | ratrace | Dagger: but that's not true really? QED here, wget -6 fails, wget -4 doesnt? why doesn't apt retry via ipv4 then, if what you say is true? |
| 11:12.55 | imox | so why I need a ipv6 connectivity? |
| 11:13.20 | ratrace | imox: can you, say, wget -6 https://google.com ? |
| 11:13.42 | imox | no i |
| 11:13.48 | Dagger | ...because you gave it -6? that's the option that makes it only look up the v6 addresses, not the v4 ones |
| 11:14.15 | ratrace | Dagger: no I'm talking about apt, not wget, why apt doesn't retry ipv4? wget here shows that -6 is unreaachable and -4 is reachable |
| 11:14.22 | jelly | now we merely have to figure out what apt-key does |
| 11:14.38 | Dagger | pastebin of the full output of `wget https://mariadb.org/mariadb_release_signing_key.asc` would be more useful to see the behavior |
| 11:15.04 | Dagger | ratrace: apt does retry. it just doesn't have very useful output to inspect what it's doing |
| 11:15.16 | jelly | (and why the resolver tries ipv6 at all when there's no ipv6 connectivity, that always stumped me) |
| 11:15.31 | ratrace | resolver is irrelevant here |
| 11:15.33 | jelly | s/tries/returns/ |
| 11:15.38 | ratrace | you can resolve AAAA over ipv4, and A over ipv6 |
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| 11:16.29 | jelly | ratrace, are you saying each app has to deduce whether to use ipv6 or ipv4 on its own? That seems silly |
| 11:16.37 | ratrace | so again, if ipv6 is set up locally but doesn't really work (provider's firewall, broken routing ousside the VPS, etc...) .... ipv6 is set up as far as the OS is concerned, ie. has a routable ipv6 |
| 11:17.03 | ratrace | jelly: no, I'm saying apps generally do not consider ipv6 failures as "oh ipv6 failed, maybre retry via ipv4" |
| 11:17.09 | Dagger | a pastebin of `ifconfig` might be useful to see if v6 is configured or not |
| 11:17.11 | jelly | imox, pastebin the outputs of "ip a" and "ip -6 r", please |
| 11:17.26 | ratrace | there's a list, yes, as Dagger suggested if there's multiple A/AAAA records, but there's no guarantee a prog will try ipv4 if ipv6 fails |
| 11:17.30 | Dagger | [10:54:04] <imox> gpg: WARNING: unable to fetch URI https://mariadb.org/mariadb_release_signing_key.asc: Connection refused <-- also, connection refused? that normally means a firewall issue |
| 11:17.59 | jelly | ratrace, if the resolver was irrelevant we wouldn't have /etc/gai.conf to configure it, I think |
| 11:18.12 | imox | jelly: https://pastebin.com/aHHDULrV |
| 11:18.41 | ratrace | jelly: I meant irrelevant to this particular issue: "why the resolver tries ipv6 when there's no ipv6 connectivity" |
| 11:18.41 | Dagger | ratrace: there's no guarantee, but the standard code for connecting a socket involves getaddrinfo() and looping over the results, which will try all addresses from all families |
| 11:18.42 | jelly | well that's weird |
| 11:20.16 | jelly | imox, it seems your machine had ipv6 configured at some point, and there's leftovers of that, but no ipv6 address assigned and no default v6 route |
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| 11:20.44 | jelly | imox, what does "uname -a" say / do you control the kernel on this VPS? |
| 11:20.58 | imox | Linux test 4.15.18-12-pve #1 SMP PVE 4.15.18-35 (Wed, 13 Mar 2019 08:24:42 +0100) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 11:21.16 | jelly | so it's probably an openvz container |
| 11:21.35 | imox | its true |
| 11:21.38 | imox | proxmox |
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| 11:24.00 | imox | jelly: and what should I do now xD? |
| 11:24.22 | jelly | imox, a stupid workaround might be to reboot the container with ipv6 disabled, _if_ it's possible to disable it for a single container |
| 11:25.07 | imox | ok but how? |
| 11:25.21 | imox | https://www.vultr.com/docs/force-apt-get-to-ipv4-or-ipv6-on-ubuntu-or-debian |
| 11:25.25 | imox | maybe so? |
| 11:25.55 | imox | does not work |
| 11:26.15 | Dagger | isn't the problem here a firewall? given the "connection refused" error |
| 11:27.25 | jelly | Dagger, well, they tried telnet ipv6 443 and it worked |
| 11:27.29 | jelly | sorry. |
| 11:27.30 | Dagger | and we still don't know whether v4 or v6 is being tried first, because we haven't seen the output from `getent ahosts` or `wget` or anything that would show the connection order |
| 11:27.34 | jelly | telnet ipv4 443 worked |
| 11:28.01 | Dagger | that's true... so why is gpg reporting connection refused? |
| 11:28.04 | imox | Dagger: no I turned off iptables for testing |
| 11:29.23 | jelly | imox, install strace |
| 11:30.05 | imox | jelly: ok and then? |
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| 11:31.07 | imox | I added net.ipv6.conf.all.disable_ipv6 = 1 in the /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 11:31.23 | imox | so it seems that ipv6 is disabled but the same issue |
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| 11:31.42 | FloridaMan | Hey everybody |
| 11:31.54 | Echoz | Hello there |
| 11:31.55 | FloridaMan | I have something that would help anyone trying to install hplip |
| 11:32.04 | FloridaMan | Where can I submit that for documentation? |
| 11:32.05 | jelly | imox, run the apt-key command under strace, sudo strace -o strace.log -f -econnect apt-key adv --fetch-keys 'https://mariadb.org/mariadb_release_signing_key.asc' |
| 11:32.20 | jelly | imox, and pastebin the output file (strace.log) |
| 11:32.28 | FloridaMan | namely installing the "python3-pyqt5" package |
| 11:33.01 | jim | well really hplip should depend on it if that's what it wants |
| 11:33.14 | imox | https://pastebin.com/X5b7MiAB |
| 11:33.35 | jim | then, no need for docs, the process becomes automatic as it should be |
| 11:33.50 | jelly | imox, you have a "strace.log" file generated, pastebin the contents of that file |
| 11:34.03 | FloridaMan | jim: wow you really are omnipresent lol ;) |
| 11:34.21 | jim | yeah, I was already here |
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| 11:34.30 | FloridaMan | jim: you just mentioned that it sits squarely in Debian's lap, so I brought it here |
| 11:34.38 | FloridaMan | just trying to prevent heartache for future users |
| 11:34.47 | jim | it does |
| 11:34.55 | jelly | FloridaMan, sadly this is not the right place to file a bug report to fix the issue |
| 11:35.05 | jim | ,depends hplip |
| 11:35.15 | FloridaMan | jelly: you may misunderstand... I'm trying to ask where to document these things |
| 11:35.19 | FloridaMan | not to file a bug |
| 11:35.29 | Echoz | FloridaMan: yeah I checked on sid and buster, and both places it depends on python3-pyqt5 |
| 11:35.36 | FloridaMan | ok cool |
| 11:35.41 | FloridaMan | so no further action needed :) |
| 11:35.46 | jelly | FloridaMan, a missing dependency _is_ a bug |
| 11:35.50 | Echoz | hplip-gui, that is, not hplip itself |
| 11:36.08 | FloridaMan | jelly: if you can't control HP's software, though... |
| 11:36.12 | jelly | you'd file it, the maintainer would fix it |
| 11:36.24 | FloridaMan | this wasn't installed via a package I thought |
| 11:36.26 | imox | https://pastebin.com/bvB4QVsd |
| 11:36.28 | jelly | FloridaMan, I kind of assumed you installed hplip from Debian's archives |
| 11:36.38 | FloridaMan | no from the HP site |
| 11:36.43 | jim | we don't think it's HP's doing though |
| 11:36.56 | jelly | if you installed it from some other source, then you'd have to tell them to fix it. |
| 11:37.11 | jelly | jim, who is we? |
| 11:37.19 | FloridaMan | I was asking that same thing lol |
| 11:37.25 | jim | FloridaMan and myself |
| 11:37.27 | FloridaMan | Sorry if I seemed to invade |
| 11:37.51 | FloridaMan | I just want to try to help future users is all |
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| 11:38.09 | jim | that is, we think it's a missing dep in hplip or hplip-gui |
| 11:38.18 | FloridaMan | so I guess I'll leave this where it lay |
| 11:38.58 | jim | FloridaMan, looks like it will work by bullseye |
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| 11:39.25 | FloridaMan | jelly: Seen you around and I do love your nick though. I'm super jelly. |
| 11:40.19 | imox | so and what now :D ? |
| 11:40.28 | jelly | there's a page on wiki https://wiki.debian.org/SystemPrinting that seems to say hplip shouldn't be needed at all in bullseye |
| 11:41.00 | jelly | imox, that doesn't show _any_ connection to a remote service at all, which is weird |
| 11:41.22 | jelly | for comparison, mine does... |
| 11:41.27 | jelly | 9709 connect(6, {sa_family=AF_INET6, sin6_port=htons(443), inet_pton(AF_INET6, "2a01:4f8:13a:164e::2", &sin6_addr), sin6_flowinfo=htonl(0), sin6_scope_id=0}, 28) = -1 ENETUNREACH (Network is unreachable) |
| 11:41.28 | jelly | 9709 connect(6, {sa_family=AF_INET6, sin6_port=htons(443), inet_pton(AF_INET6, "2a01:4f8:121:3039::2", &sin6_addr), sin6_flowinfo=htonl(0), sin6_scope_id=0}, 28) = -1 ENETUNREACH (Network is unreachable) |
| 11:41.28 | jelly | 9709 connect(6, {sa_family=AF_INET, sin_port=htons(443), sin_addr=inet_addr("195.201.174.49")}, 16) = -1 EINPROGRESS (Operation now in progress) |
| 11:41.40 | FloridaMan | have a good day y'all :) |
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| 11:42.40 | jelly | jim, you don't think it's HP's doing to declare correct dependencies in the packages they provide? |
| 11:43.07 | jelly | well, it's not if they're missing, but that sure sounds like a bug |
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| 11:45.24 | imox | a bug in debian? |
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| 11:48.47 | jelly | a bug in vendor packages that fail to declare deps |
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| 12:00.58 | jim | jelly, oh, is that a package they provide? so then hp (or someone in it) is capable of uploading packages to debian/ |
| 12:01.04 | jim | ? |
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| 12:02.16 | jim | if not, I would expect there to be a sponsor, who would test it |
| 12:02.25 | jelly | [11:36:28] <jelly> FloridaMan, I kind of assumed you installed hplip from Debian's archives [11:36:39] <FloridaMan> no from the HP site [11:36:43] <jim> we don't think it's HP's doing though |
| 12:02.55 | jelly | I read that as "no, from the HP site" |
| 12:04.08 | jim | oh, by way of explanation, he tried to install from hp's site, things didn't work, so we suggested he install the debian packaged version, and now he got a mess |
| 12:04.27 | imox | hmmm can I do it manualy ;) ? I need mariadb 10.4 |
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| 12:05.32 | jelly | imox, well get the asc from on some other machine, scp it over to your VPS, then add it with apt-ey |
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| 12:05.54 | jelly | apologies for the completely broken sentence structure |
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| 12:07.09 | jim | also, you may mean apt-key? |
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| 12:08.10 | imox | I have this problem on each container |
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| 12:18.04 | imox | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:27.06 | jelly | imox, push the key to each container, or figure out the networking issue |
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| 12:29.29 | imox | ok strange this works |
| 12:29.30 | imox | wget -qO - 'https://mariadb.org/mariadb_release_signing_key.asc' | sudo apt-key add - |
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| 12:54.03 | jelly | imox, just a hunch, is dirmngr package installed? |
| 12:54.06 | jack2019 | Hi, is possible to automatic unlock luks at booting time? |
| 12:54.15 | imox | jelly: yes it is |
| 12:54.33 | jelly | ok, not that then |
| 12:55.47 | jack2019 | imox: any tutorial how to? |
| 12:56.08 | jelly | jack2019, that wasn't an answer to your question |
| 12:56.08 | imox | jack2019: whaT? |
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| 12:56.43 | jack2019 | ok, imox sorry |
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| 12:59.20 | ratrace | jack2019: it's possible. you just need a keyfile available to the initramfs scripts on boot, and that keyfile is specified in the crypttab. question is... what exactly you want to achieve? automatic unlock pretty much negates the reason for encryption |
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| 13:00.18 | ratrace | such a setup is typically used when you have encrypted /boot (unlocked with a typed-in passphrase), and then the /boot directory contains the keyfile with which rootfs is unlocked, so you only have to type something in once |
| 13:00.23 | jack2019 | ratrace: I do not want in any reboot to enter the luks password |
| 13:00.50 | ratrace | jack2019: then why encrypt at all |
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| 13:02.09 | jack2019 | ratrace: in case if i forget to wipe the broken disk |
| 13:02.40 | ratrace | jack2019: if you forget to wipe the broken disk, and the keyfile is on that disk, clearly in plain sight through crypttab ... there's on point in that encryption |
| 13:02.48 | ratrace | *no |
| 13:03.57 | ratrace | you're DoingItWrong(tm). but if you insist on doing it wrong and want to delute yourself that you have data encryption with the key clearly available on the same drive .... you need the keyfile option in the crypttab. iirc the initramfs hooks parse that and copy the file into initramfs, so you'd put it, for example, somewhere under /etc/ |
| 13:04.05 | ratrace | *delude |
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| 13:05.24 | ratrace | you could, however, make a setup with the key on _different_ device. but that device would also need to be available on boot, constantly. it's a bit better than having the key on the same device, but still not it. |
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| 13:06.34 | ratrace | the trick for that is to use so called "keyscripts" that make this other device mountable and available for initramfs scripts on boot. whether debian has such keyscripts available or you have to write up your own, I don't know. |
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| 13:07.45 | linuxmint | test |
| 13:07.48 | ratrace | failed |
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| 13:08.43 | linuxmint | USB recognised on Mint. I wrote debian-10.7.0-amd64-netinst.iso to USB. Insert USB in machine1 and Boot doesn't see USB? USB light is on? |
| 13:08.45 | ratrace | jack2019: this looks like CloseEnough guide for what you want, assuming this approach (different devices), on a quick glance: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/19713918/how-to-load-luks-passphrase-from-usb-falling-back-to-keyboard |
| 13:09.44 | ratrace | jack2019: the approach in that SO post does the "write up your own keyscript" approach |
| 13:09.51 | linuxmint | machine1 boots other OS.iso when seeing the USB. |
| 13:10.23 | ratrace | linuxmint: how did you write it? did you check the downloaded ISO against a checksum to verify the integrity? |
| 13:11.51 | jack2019 | retrace: please ou meant the key is not a good idea to be in the same disk? correct? |
| 13:11.54 | linuxmint | ratrace: Mint 20.1 > Panel > Menu > Applications > Accessories > USB Image Writer. Not checked against checksum. |
| 13:12.02 | ratrace | jack2019: correct |
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| 13:12.32 | linuxmint | ratrace: straight from here https://www.debian.org/ No text anywhere about checksum? |
| 13:12.44 | jack2019 | retrace: next solution is a usb? |
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| 13:13.22 | ratrace | linuxmint: I don't know what that Mint application does. you can use cp or dd to write the ISO to the device (note, raw /dev device, not a partition on it). Please do verify checksum before you do so. it's not impossible for mirrors to corrupt downloaded data, I've had a few do that. |
| 13:13.42 | ratrace | jack2019: it can be an USB stick or any device really, as long as it's not the same one with the LUKS container you're unlocking. |
| 13:14.21 | ratrace | jack2019: make sure that you have BOTH a passphrase and a keyfile, so if you lose the keyfile, you can still unlock it with a passphrase. that's what that SO post does. a LUKS container can have multiple keys to unlock it with, yes. |
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| 13:15.03 | ratrace | jack2019: also note that contents of a keyfile can be your passphrase. they're interchangeable for cryptsetup. for example, if you had only the passphrase, you could echo -n "that passsphrase" > some_file and then use that file for --key-file param |
| 13:15.17 | ratrace | (but it's best if they're not the same) |
| 13:15.17 | jack2019 | retrace: thank you. yes, I think 8 slots exist for keys |
| 13:16.22 | linuxmint | ratrace: is there a checksum at https://www.debian.org/ I don't see any? |
| 13:16.35 | ratrace | jack2019: I'm not retrace, but ratrace. you can use tab completion to specify someone's nick. eg. rat<tab> will autocomplete my nick |
| 13:17.27 | jack2019 | ratrace: I am to old and I am not wearing me glasses,my apologies |
| 13:18.37 | linuxmint | jack2019: you should use your Tab more then. Make the machine work for you. If it doesn't autofill, it's the wrong word. |
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| 13:20.26 | ratrace | jack2019: no need to appologies, just suggesting more efficient approach. if you misspel a nick, that person might not get a highlight that you're talking to them |
| 13:20.55 | jack2019 | linuxmint: https://www.debian.org/CD/verify |
| 13:21.08 | linuxmint | I rely on Chat notifications, pops up in my Panel if I'm on my Browser. |
| 13:21.58 | ratrace | linuxmint: yes every mirror should have them. I see it's jumping through hoops to get to one, terrible redesign of the debian front page that didn't include a quick link to csum verification.... and five minutes later I still can't find an easy way to reach them. *golfclap* to debian web designers. https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-cd/ |
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| 13:24.28 | linuxmint | ratrace: thankyou. Just checking if I can write a DVD/CD image to USB and then the checksum command. I used MD5, but it must be redundant. |
| 13:25.06 | jack2019 | linuxmint: do not trust only debian, try to match and from others, search for debian mirrors: https://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
| 13:25.06 | ratrace | linuxmint: md5 is good enough, you don't need crypto strength. though my OCD wouldn't go below sha256 |
| 13:25.30 | ratrace | linuxmint: jack2019's suggestion is sound, make sure your csum comes from a _different_ mirror, than the one you downloaded the iso from |
| 13:26.14 | ratrace | linuxmint: and you can simply run (as root) cp debian-10.7.0-amd64-netinst.iso /dev/sdX (where sdX is the actual USB disk). note: this will overwrite everything on the device, no questions asked, so be careful which one you specify. |
| 13:27.37 | linuxmint | ratrace: thanks. I think it's not as simple as copying a .iso to USB. Mint writes the .iso to USB, so the USB boots on the machine install. |
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| 13:27.53 | linuxmint | I need a full version as the machine has no Internet. |
| 13:27.54 | ratrace | linuxmint: yes it IS as simple as copying the ISO to the device directly |
| 13:28.03 | linuxmint | k |
| 13:28.06 | ratrace | this is not windows ISO. |
| 13:28.25 | ratrace | linuxmint: whichever ISO, I gave the netinst above as example. just cp it to the device |
| 13:29.07 | linuxmint | ratrace: yes, thank you. |
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| 13:30.38 | jack2019 | ratrace: is not possible to mount a usb drive, the best is to enter the password at booting time? |
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| 13:33.51 | ratrace | jack2019: it's the simplest solution. you can integrate with ssh (using dropbear) and use some kind of automation to help out (eg. ansible) |
| 13:34.17 | linuxmint | ratrace: would this be a full version iso or dvd? http://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/dists/Debian10.7/main/installer-amd64/current/images/cdrom/ |
| 13:34.21 | ratrace | jack2019: alternatively you can write keyfile scripts that fetch the key remotely from another server |
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| 13:36.21 | ratrace | linuxmint: I'm not sure what that directory represents, but it's not the ISO file. if you want the DVD version, download the DVD-1 iso : https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-dvd/ |
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| 13:37.09 | ratrace | linuxmint: then again I'm not really sure what kind of software is there, but most likely it's all the software for the default (gnome) desktop installation and some basic/standard tools |
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| 13:37.19 | Reventlov | Hello. |
| 13:37.54 | Reventlov | I'm searching for some package that allows me to update some web service with my local ip (like no-ip, dyndns, things like that), but already packaged in debian buster |
| 13:38.51 | linuxmint | ratrace: thank you. I just need an iso, but the website was only offering full image on dvd. I'm used to iso, so unsure if dvd will work and I'm tight on my monthly downloads. |
| 13:39.01 | ratrace | Reventlov: well there's dyndns package |
| 13:39.27 | jack2019 | linuxmint: https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-dvd/ |
| 13:39.39 | ratrace | linuxmint: it offers ..... the ISO ...... of the DVDs. there's also CDs, and the netinst. they're "hybrid", thus will boot off of an USB stick too |
| 13:40.08 | Reventlov | ratrace: thanks |
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| 13:40.29 | ratrace | linuxmint: frankly, you'll spend MORE network bandwidth if you downloaded the DVD, than using netinst for only the basic software you want. so I'm not sure what you gain here |
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| 13:46.24 | linuxmint | ratrace: thanks, but I have to as no Internet on the other machine. I can scp files over, such as the goal to install a Wi-Fi NIC on the other machine. Maybe I'll use the net.iso. Just searching for a net.iso with checksum now. |
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| 13:47.13 | linuxmint | think I'll start a new habit of using sha512 for checksum. |
| 13:47.21 | ratrace | linuxmint: how do you intend to use ....... scp...... if there's no network? or do you mean that machine does have network, but LAN access only? |
| 13:47.41 | ratrace | also note scp is being deprecated so maybe form a habit with sftp or rsync |
| 13:47.51 | linuxmint | ratrace: yes, lan only. |
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| 13:48.22 | linuxmint | ratrace: wow, thanks. I thought its secure. I like rsync, but thought it's not secure? |
| 13:48.30 | ratrace | linuxmint: can't you have a gateway in that LAN? |
| 13:48.31 | linuxmint | sftp is a hassle for me |
| 13:48.53 | linuxmint | no router, just 2 machines. 1st machine uses a hotspot to its wifi nic. |
| 13:49.01 | ratrace | linuxmint: I suppose it's secure for the most part, it's just the devs want to get rid of it, so... |
| 13:49.12 | linuxmint | wow |
| 13:49.16 | ratrace | probably more than secure enough for LAN use |
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| 13:49.42 | ratrace | linuxmint: but if you have one machine with public internet access, it can become the WAN/LAN gateway for your other machines |
| 13:49.59 | linuxmint | hmmm, might work on rsync then. I hope it has auto login for passwords. |
| 13:50.21 | linuxmint | ratrace: I'm not sure how? |
| 13:50.27 | ratrace | linuxmint: it's not much more to type scp somefile remote:/somefile vs rsync somefile remote:/somefile . and there's nice rsync options to use |
| 13:51.00 | linuxmint | yes, rsync's great, just thought it wasn't secure. Can't remember if rsyn auto signs in to passwords too. |
| 13:51.25 | ratrace | linuxmint: google for "set up debian router". typically you can either bridge wlan and eth (which requires wifi driver support) or you do plain ol' NAT between networks |
| 13:51.28 | linuxmint | this is my whole conundrum...1st machine to make as a gateway. I'm not sure how to. |
| 13:51.41 | linuxmint | ratrace: great, thank you so much |
| 13:51.49 | ratrace | linuxmint: rsync uses ssh by default for remote:/some/path destinations |
| 13:52.08 | linuxmint | ah, great, I've learnt a lot tonight :-) |
| 13:52.09 | ratrace | and if you have ssh configured to use keys, no passwords are needed |
| 13:52.25 | linuxmint | yes, I use keys, wasn't sure about rsync. |
| 13:52.31 | ratrace | linuxmint: the "remote" in the example above is the hostname of the remote machine |
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| 13:52.54 | rudi_s | linuxmint: rsync uses SSH (unless told otherwise) |
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| 13:53.08 | rudi_s | The only reason why I still use scp is -3 |
| 13:53.10 | linuxmint | great. |
| 13:53.27 | linuxmint | rudi_s: why? |
| 13:53.49 | ratrace | rudi_s: ssh first_server 'rsync /some/file second_server:/some/file' :) |
| 13:54.05 | rudi_s | linuxmint: Because it's super useful to copy files from host A to host B when you're on host C and the SSH keys are only on host C. |
| 13:54.17 | rudi_s | ratrace: Doesn't help if host A cannot access host B. |
| 13:54.23 | ratrace | well there's that, yea |
| 13:54.39 | rudi_s | "cannot access" can be "no route, "no ssh key", etc. |
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| 13:54.57 | rudi_s | And I don't know any replacement for that usage. |
| 13:55.04 | rudi_s | For the rest I use rsync |
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| 13:56.44 | linuxmint | rudi_s: interesting. I'm not that advance though. If it's being deprecated, I'm make a new habit of rsync. Always liked rsync for checking if duplicates are already transferred. |
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| 13:58.58 | linuxmint | rudi_s: so, really the only scp advantage is to avoid typing in a few passwords, if I understood the a, b, c example. |
| 13:59.13 | ratrace | it probably won't go away without advaned notice of at least months if not years, and a lot of mailinglist bikeshedding over that breaking someone's super-edge use case that they need once every few years :)) |
| 13:59.31 | linuxmint | lol |
| 14:00.30 | ratrace | of COURSE.... there's an xkcd for that..... https://xkcd.com/1172/ |
| 14:00.43 | azeem | classic |
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| 14:02.43 | rudi_s | linuxmint: Yeah, rsync is a good habit. - Well in my case the replacement is rsync A:file . ; rsync file B: ; which is a lot more to type than just scp -3 A:file B:file |
| 14:02.57 | rudi_s | Good xkcd! |
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| 14:03.45 | rudi_s | (The alt text is also awesome.) |
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| 14:03.53 | linuxmint | rudi_s: I'll make rsync my new habit. |
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| 14:28.48 | daysun | does anyone know how often unattended-updates is executed? |
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| 14:32.55 | n4dir | it can be configured. |
| 14:32.57 | rudi_s | daysun: Took me while to find it: systemctl cat apt-daily-upgrade.timer says: OnCalendar=*-*-* 6:00 - so every day |
| 14:33.26 | daysun | I'm going through unit files without knowing much about systemd so hard for me to find out myself :P |
| 14:33.29 | daysun | thanks rudi_s! |
| 14:33.44 | daysun | so once a day it seems. |
| 14:34.16 | daysun | is it stupid to force a reboot after that? |
| 14:34.33 | daysun | that's a way easier way for me to make sure all services that I've made myself are restarted |
| 14:34.47 | daysun | and such.. or something. |
| 14:35.03 | daysun | is it ugly in general or beneficial? |
| 14:35.07 | rudi_s | daysun: np, most updates don't require a reboot, so forcing a reboot is often not necessary. But if you can live with the reboot it's the easiest way to make sure everything is restarted. |
| 14:35.31 | rudi_s | Not sure if you can configure this with unattended-upgrades though. |
| 14:35.48 | daysun | I'll just add another timer of some sort that does it :p |
| 14:36.17 | ratrace | daysun: I'd rather recommend you used something like apticron to get notifications of updates, so you can run tests, restart services and reboot when needed |
| 14:36.37 | ratrace | unattended-upgrades sounds cool on paper, but it half-asses in practice |
| 14:36.41 | rudi_s | daysun: The problem is only acting when an update was executed. |
| 14:36.59 | rudi_s | ratrace: Well, that only scales to a few machines. Once you have more you need some kind of automated setup. |
| 14:37.28 | ratrace | rudi_s: yes. not this way tho |
| 14:37.42 | daysun | in my case, I'm just a consultant not paid to check on the machine every day. So I rather have it update itself until it stops working. That, or getting paid. |
| 14:38.00 | ratrace | we have dozens of servers, but only a few classes thereof. we take apt notifications only from one server per class, and use ansible to upgrade all of them after tests and post-upgrade decisions are made |
| 14:38.20 | rudi_s | ratrace: Personally I don't use unattended-upgrades but I also have this automated. If the systems are not critical then automatic updates are fine IMO. |
| 14:38.36 | ratrace | rudi_s: they're incomplete |
| 14:39.14 | ratrace | services won't restart on library upgrades. systems won't reboot, and usually you need some kind of orchestration for reboot, eg. via failovers for critical services |
| 14:39.48 | ratrace | so you still have to do what you'd have to do if you only had notifications. but then the systems won't change automagically without oversight. |
| 14:40.35 | rudi_s | ratrace: I get your point. Still, if I have the choice of a few (not critically important) servers to either gets updates via unattended updates or not, the choice is simple. |
| 14:40.50 | rudi_s | Especially when maintaining them isn't your main job. |
| 14:41.29 | ratrace | sure. just be aware it does not do the upgrades completely in some cases. |
| 14:41.39 | rudi_s | (And there are few tools to check for services to restart after library updates, but they all seem to suck.) |
| 14:41.46 | rudi_s | Yeah, I know. |
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| 14:46.56 | ssiyad | 1/quit |
| 14:47.01 | ssiyad | damn, sorry |
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| 14:54.42 | epitamizor | is there a way to stop the tty's from popping up text messages? I'm getting link down/up text while editing files and i cant see anymore |
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| 14:55.18 | petn-randall | epitamizor: IIRC this is your syslog daemon doing that. |
| 14:56.16 | petn-randall | epitamizor: The default one in Debian is rsyslog, so you want to check out /etc/rsyslog.conf and /etc/rsyslog.d/*. |
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| 15:14.42 | rudi_s | petn-randall: AFAIK it's the kernel and you need to modify kernel.printk |
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| 15:20.25 | Vatum | hey |
| 15:20.27 | Vatum | do you read this |
| 15:20.30 | Vatum | am i registerd |
| 15:21.01 | avu | Vatum: yes, we can read you |
| 15:21.20 | Vatum | cool |
| 15:21.21 | avu | !ask |
| 15:21.21 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/ See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 15:21.31 | Vatum | mandatory registration, is annoying |
| 15:21.34 | Vatum | couldnt speak before |
| 15:21.56 | avu | it's become kind of necessary to combat spammers/trolls unfortunately |
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| 16:11.43 | petn-randall | Hi, I'm looking for a tool to do remote desktop support, similar to "Teamviewer". Basically the user should be able to click something on their desktop for me to able to view their screen and control keyboard/mouse, until either of us removes the remote control. |
| 16:12.34 | towo` | petn-randall, anydesk? |
| 16:13.45 | petn-randall | towo`: Any FOSS alternatives? |
| 16:14.02 | Mister00X | petn-randall: x2go? |
| 16:14.05 | towo` | not that i know off |
| 16:14.09 | n4dir | i guess vnc doesn't do it? i seem to recall. I tried NoMachine quite a few years ago. Not much needs, but to me it looked ok |
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| 16:14.39 | n4dir | i probably misunderstand the question. don't be mad at me |
| 16:15.25 | towo` | all alternatives needs to be configured right for firewalls, or NAT behind routers or proxies |
| 16:15.36 | petn-randall | n4dir: No worries :) |
| 16:15.57 | n4dir | towo`: iirc who you are, any of the sidux forks still active? |
| 16:16.10 | petn-randall | I'm just trying to come up with a way to give some less technical people remote Linux support without much hassle on their end. |
| 16:16.20 | towo` | n4dir, sure, siduction is allive |
| 16:16.28 | n4dir | towo`: ok, nice, thanks. |
| 16:17.03 | towo` | petn-randall, i'm using anydesk often, it's not foss but works great |
| 16:17.42 | n4dir | ha ha. I completely misunderstood "patience" when i searched for siduction the other day. |
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| 16:18.55 | Mister00X | petn-randall: I remember using krfb years ago idk if its still working |
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| 18:06.48 | alex11 | what is /usr/lib/packagekit? |
| 18:08.23 | ratrace | https://www.freedesktop.org/software/PackageKit/ |
| 18:10.46 | alex11 | it's using up a LOT of cpu |
| 18:11.20 | alex11 | oh now it stopped |
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| 18:11.31 | sney | it was probably running apt update in the background |
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| 18:18.41 | alex11 | i think windows has also conditioned me to think whirring cpu = high danger of things just locking up |
| 18:18.55 | alex11 | though my pc is not particularly fast |
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| 18:29.31 | csgeek | hello, I'm looking for some helpful documentation that can help me create a simple package. I basically just need to copy a few files to a specific destination and define dependencies. Any suggested documentation or tooling ? |
| 18:29.48 | csgeek | source code is in git if that's a factor. |
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| 18:32.52 | sney | csgeek: see the top 2 links from the bot message here, |
| 18:32.53 | sney | !nmg |
| 18:32.53 | dpkg | The packaging tutorial (https://deb.li/QYyI) and the New Maintainer's Guide (https://deb.li/3DiDA) are good places to start learning about Debian packaging. You should also ask me about <devref> and <policy> to understand how packages should be maintained and how they should interact with each other. Ask me about <package basics>, <mentors>, <best practices> <build without helper>. https://www.debian.org/devel/ |
| 18:33.17 | n4dir | also there is git-buildpackage, i don't know any details. |
| 18:33.23 | sney | csgeek: when I got started with packaging, I also found it helpful to look at an existing similar package and follow its example |
| 18:33.45 | sney | git-buildpackage and gbp make more sense once you actually understand the debian packaging workflow |
| 18:33.51 | Swift110-mobile | I am missing libboost-chrono1.65.1 as a depndency. How doI install it? |
| 18:34.22 | greycat | ,v libboost-chrono1.65.1 |
| 18:34.30 | greycat | damn it, judd! |
| 18:34.41 | n4dir | csgeek: also this page is not well known, but i wouldn't know if it might help you https://wiki.debian.org/Diaspora/Packaging/git |
| 18:34.53 | Swift110-mobile | greycat: is that a command for the terminal? |
| 18:34.57 | greycat | Swift110-mobile: I guess, since judd isn't here to answer that, you go to packages.debian.org and start searching by hand |
| 18:35.12 | Swift110-mobile | oh ok greycat |
| 18:35.16 | csgeek | awesome. Thanks. |
| 18:35.18 | Swift110-mobile | thanks |
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| 18:35.51 | csgeek | Diaspora, wow.. haven't heard that name in a while |
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| 18:36.30 | n4dir | csgeek: there is lots of ruby stuff. I hope the git stuff is of use, but, as said, can't promise |
| 18:36.51 | Swift110-mobile | ok its in the search but its not giving me downloads for it |
| 18:40.18 | greycat | Swift110-mobile: I don't know what you found, but I get "Sorry, your search gave no results" for it. |
| 18:40.38 | n4dir | different, higher versions, i seem to be able to find |
| 18:40.49 | greycat | Which makes me think you are NOT installing a Debian package, nor a package built FOR Debian. You are probably installing a Ubuntu package, or one built for Ubuntu. Or some other non-Debian system. |
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| 18:52.22 | BillyZane | hi |
| 18:52.36 | cakeme | Hello |
| 18:53.14 | BillyZane | there's a package i want that's in the 'sid' repository |
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| 18:53.33 | BillyZane | how do i make it so i just use 1 package from testing? |
| 18:53.43 | greycat | you use a backport |
| 18:53.52 | greycat | either one that's built by someone else, or one built by you |
| 18:54.11 | n4dir | !ssd |
| 18:54.11 | dpkg | Solid-State Drives are basically nonvolatile RAM chips used for long term storage. There are at least 3 types: SATA (no problem), NVMe (no problem since Linux 3.3), and eMMC (not yet supported). See also <ssd limit> |
| 18:54.18 | n4dir | !ssb |
| 18:54.18 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 18:54.40 | BillyZane | greycat, i see. i'll look in to that |
| 18:54.43 | edlou | Does debian ship images with X running as root? |
| 18:54.43 | BillyZane | greycat, thank you |
| 18:54.54 | edlou | im asking because someone is telling me they do, and i thought it was a security flaw. |
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| 19:03.21 | ratrace | edlou: Xorg is running as root, yes |
| 19:03.45 | edlou | ratrace: https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Debian-Non-Root-X did this become reversed at some point? |
| 19:05.39 | jhutchins | edlou: The X server is running as root, your X session is running as user. |
| 19:05.48 | ratrace | edlou: I don't know. now that you mention it, I think it didn't run as root in stretch? |
| 19:05.56 | greycat | The x server usually doesn't run as root since Debian 9. |
| 19:06.14 | jhutchins | BillyZane: To be clear, sid's not testing, it's unstable. |
| 19:06.18 | ratrace | greycat: well it runs here, so what did I do wrong? |
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| 19:06.22 | ratrace | (buster) |
| 19:06.54 | jhutchins | ratrace: Was this system upgraded from Jessie? |
| 19:07.09 | jmcnaught | Only gdm3 could run Xorg as non-root in Debian 9, other display managers might have gained the feature since then though. |
| 19:07.23 | edlou | ty all |
| 19:07.25 | greycat | maybe you're using some sort of display manager, or a legacy video chipset that needs the legacy setuid wrapper thingy |
| 19:07.34 | ratrace | jhutchins: no, straight buster install. I do however run LightDM with i3wm, so I don't know if that's specific to lightdm? |
| 19:07.41 | greycat | unicorn:~$ ps -ef | grep Xorg |
| 19:07.41 | greycat | greg 721 720 2 2020 tty1 1-09:03:33 /usr/lib/xorg/Xorg -nolisten tcp :0 vt1 -keeptty -auth /tmp/serverauth.jpvNOOHg4D |
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| 19:08.05 | ratrace | greycat: but you startx from your user's console login, amirite? |
| 19:08.10 | greycat | yes |
| 19:08.20 | ratrace | I think Imma do that too now |
| 19:11.40 | cakeme | greycat, I believe it was you that pointed me to the non-free image on the website. this helped me a ton with a machine I was troubled with!! |
| 19:11.47 | jhutchins | greycat: I see two entries, one for root and one for me. |
| 19:11.57 | jhutchins | Stretch |
| 19:12.09 | greycat | is that with a display manager running one of them and you running the other after logging in? |
| 19:12.31 | jhutchins | Yep. lightdm/xfce |
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| 19:22.36 | edlou | ratrace: greycat this is the person i was discussing it with -> Primer , since im a noob, i can't elaborate on what or why but maybe you guys can explain better as to why the action => result is happening for him |
| 19:22.38 | Primer | Hi, so my X runs as root, and I did nothing to make this happen. Can someone please tell me why my X is running as root, despite not having done anything explicitly to make this happen? |
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| 19:23.12 | Primer | root 4385 0.1 0.2 708088 67908 tty7 Ssl+ 2020 36:04 /usr/lib/xorg/Xorg -core :0 -seat seat0 -auth /var/run/lightdm/root/:0 -nolisten tcp vt7 -novtswitch |
| 19:23.23 | greycat | What version of Debian, and what video hardware? |
| 19:23.36 | greycat | tty7 is also probably a display manager login |
| 19:23.37 | Primer | nvidia proprietary, debian sid |
| 19:24.08 | greycat | oh and... yeah, it says lightdm right there |
| 19:24.45 | Primer | That is quite normal |
| 19:24.49 | Primer | is it not? |
| 19:24.54 | greycat | I don't know display managers very well but it's possible that lightdm, being "light", doesn't do all of the fancy things that one would expect, like running the X server as the new user. |
| 19:25.11 | edlou | so lightdm , wrapper will run as root but , startx will launch as user, simple or a lot more to it? |
| 19:25.28 | greycat | I don't know all of the possible combinations. |
| 19:25.39 | Primer | Here's my other machine: root 145352 1.6 0.3 1078668 130844 tty7 Ssl+ Jan13 160:43 /usr/lib/xorg/Xorg -nolisten tcp -auth /var/run/sddm/{066f112f-a87e-4ed8-917a-c8d6fd33fe9a} -background none -noreset -displayfd 18 -seat seat0 vt7 |
| 19:25.43 | Primer | that one uses sddm |
| 19:26.03 | edlou | i will put sddm on my machine tonight to test and see if it does the same for me Primer |
| 19:26.11 | edlou | then i can even test that nvidia mumbo jumbo again |
| 19:26.12 | Mister00X | Primer: sddm doesnt seem to support rootless xorg |
| 19:26.44 | Primer | edlou: Ok, what you wrote earlier is now starting to make a lot more sense |
| 19:26.49 | Mister00X | according to #871309 |
| 19:27.24 | greycat | judd still doesn't love us |
| 19:27.27 | edlou | Primer: as long as you dont think im crazy man haha, im still confused by 99% of what i learn because its too many layers deep for me to understand |
| 19:27.51 | Primer | Mister00X greycat: edlou and I were having a heated discussion about this in #nvidia, and it seems that the disconnect is he uses startx and is able to run X as a user, whereas I just let Debian use a DM and I get into X from there, and it runs as root because of this. |
| 19:28.08 | Primer | edlou: naw, all good. I'm glad you stuck with your guns. I learned something new. Thanks! :) |
| 19:28.09 | Mister00X | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=871309 <-- fine Ill do it myself |
| 19:28.14 | greycat | Yeah, startx works for this. And I think gdm3 does. |
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| 19:28.54 | Primer | I have no qualms with switching my DM, for the sake of security. I mean, hell. TIL my X was running as root, and it didn't need to be! |
| 19:28.57 | n4dir | edlou: my solution was and is to remove as many layers as possible. One of them is the display-manager |
| 19:29.03 | edlou | Primer: you were right too, because you werent doing something explicit to run it as root so now i know what you meant |
| 19:29.12 | edlou | i _assumed_ everything would have launched Xorg as user |
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| 19:29.21 | Primer | So, given this, should users not be told about this when installing things? This seems like a rather serious consideration |
| 19:29.52 | Primer | edlou: To be clear, I ran startx for...over a decade |
| 19:30.01 | Primer | but that was also a decade ago :) |
| 19:30.20 | edlou | with the amount of troubleshooting problems i have, i need the tty to open up with a terminal llol |
| 19:30.25 | Mister00X | Primer: The problem is the sddm guys dont seem to care |
| 19:30.27 | edlou | If you can make it, i can break it! haha |
| 19:30.53 | Mister00X | They said wayland is the future no need to focus on xorg |
| 19:31.04 | Primer | Mister00X: I'd say something like this should be grounds for removal from the distro |
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| 19:31.32 | greycat | well, Debian disagrees |
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| 19:32.19 | Mister00X | Primer: Im not sure how risky it is? And Im sure debians security team would've done so if it was that grave |
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| 19:32.31 | jadax | I'm debugging custom FPGA driver, is there a way to trace all calls made to PCIe bus? |
| 19:32.45 | jadax | I'm talking about mem writes but also IO |
| 19:33.19 | edlou | Mister00X: if i made the switch to wayland would i have all the same functionality or big missing parts? im going to read wayland vs X tonight, im still a major noob, i just need something stable that works |
| 19:33.31 | Mister00X | Primer: And as you can see #871309 was set with severety wishlist |
| 19:33.34 | Primer | Mister00X: Well, given the history where X has run as root this long, I guess it's something that's been with us for a long time and is not something that can be changed overnight |
| 19:33.44 | jadax | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:33.45 | Mister00X | edlou: for me wayland is not ripe enough |
| 19:33.57 | Primer | Mister00X: I see it now that you've pointed it out. |
| 19:34.08 | edlou | :( is it on the brink of being feasible for most or far away? |
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| 19:34.38 | Primer | I don't get that impression |
| 19:34.45 | Mister00X | edlou: that depends on the wayland support of DEs and programs too |
| 19:34.58 | greycat | jadax: this channel is mostly just a bunch of end users supporting each other. You're allowed to ask here assuming you're on Debian, but if you don't get an answer, you might want to try a more technical channel, maybe ##kernel? |
| 19:35.11 | jadax | thanks greycat |
| 19:35.22 | jadax | I'm on debian, yes |
| 19:35.36 | Mister00X | still has issues when scaling the screen in kde |
| 19:35.47 | Mister00X | when using wayland |
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| 19:36.00 | greycat | kde runs on wayland? |
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| 19:36.10 | Primer | edlou: Given what I've learned today, I'm going to switch to gdm3 to make my X run as my user. Perhaps at that point I'd be able to replicate your issue |
| 19:36.13 | Mister00X | greycat: on sid it does |
| 19:36.28 | Mister00X | if you want it to |
| 19:36.43 | edlou | Primer: don't let nvidia abuse you like its abused me XD |
| 19:37.32 | Primer | edlou: well, the fact that we use nvidia on linux is already an exercise in cognitive dissonance (being an open source zealot) |
| 19:37.45 | Primer | s/we/I/ |
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| 19:38.29 | cakeme | KDE, isnt that like windows ME and Mac OSX devs got together? |
| 19:39.00 | mutante | lol |
| 19:39.01 | cakeme | I say it in jest. plasma is beautiful. |
| 19:39.06 | Primer | If you ask KDE people, they'll telk you it's Plasma :) |
| 19:39.14 | edlou | i liked KDE a lot, it helped me break into linux |
| 19:39.18 | cakeme | ^ |
| 19:39.22 | Primer | and the KDE is "not a display manager" |
| 19:39.28 | cakeme | Its in the name! |
| 19:39.36 | cakeme | joking. |
| 19:39.45 | mutante | knot desktop environment ? |
| 19:39.46 | Primer | they're rather sensitive to the naming |
| 19:39.54 | Mister00X | Primer: Kool desktop environment |
| 19:39.57 | edlou | i remember the biggest fear of installing linux was the initial login terminal and "heres your linux machine" thinking, wait where is everything :( lol |
| 19:40.13 | edlou | KDE was like, here ya go little buddy! click away!!! |
| 19:40.25 | cakeme | I installed it and was like wow, so this is like a bad version of windows (note this was years ago) |
| 19:40.27 | mutante | typing startx and hoping your random editing of xf86config somehow made it work this time |
| 19:40.57 | cakeme | I say that as I use XFCE :D - I have no room to talk. |
| 19:41.26 | Mister00X | dpkg: start a DE war |
| 19:41.27 | dpkg | Xfce bites! |
| 19:42.16 | cakeme | apologies - never my intention all in good linux love |
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| 19:50.08 | jhutchins | Ooh, Google killed FTP in chrome (and flash). |
| 19:50.23 | CommunistWolf | noooooooo ftp |
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| 19:50.58 | greycat | RIP |
| 19:51.04 | Mister00X | hm I know its an old standard but what is the succesor? |
| 19:53.48 | mutante | webdav? |
| 19:54.45 | Mister00X | I see |
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| 20:14.49 | jelly | sftp |
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| 20:21.14 | jhutchins | scp |
| 20:21.48 | jelly | no, scp is crip |
| 20:21.52 | jelly | crap* |
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| 20:22.50 | jelly | sftp is a decent protocol. scp is a thin wrapper for on top of the login shell, and best avoided |
| 20:22.50 | Mister00X | isnt scp going to be depreceated |
| 20:22.56 | sney | http has the anonymous download ftp use case covered, and there are various solutions for the other 20% or so |
| 20:24.01 | Mister00X | hm interesting so ftp has no "real" successor |
| 20:24.38 | Mister00X | but a set of successors |
| 20:25.01 | Mister00X | TIL |
| 20:25.28 | jhutchins | jelly: There is ftp over tls, I'mm not sure if that's what the sftp implementation is. People use sftp to referr to both a specific protocol and any secure file transfer. |
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| 20:25.51 | sney | ftp is an artifact of a simpler, more trusting internet. it makes sense that it wouldn't have a drop-in replacement, because the environment changed too |
| 20:26.21 | CommunistWolf | ftp is fine |
| 20:26.26 | sney | jhutchins: ftp over tls and sftp are not the same, despite naming similarities. |
| 20:26.41 | Mister00X | A more trusting internet sounds nice |
| 20:26.48 | zutat | CommunistWolf: mitm |
| 20:26.51 | sney | the 90s were a magical time |
| 20:27.12 | CommunistWolf | zutat: I was talking about the encrypted version |
| 20:27.24 | EdePopede | sftp and ftps, i never could tell them apart. but i'm afraid everything will be https or google's Q-whatever with tons of JS. |
| 20:27.31 | CommunistWolf | it's just no fun to get into the misunderstandings around sftp, as we see |
| 20:27.41 | CommunistWolf | personally, I've stopped using http as much as possible |
| 20:27.51 | CommunistWolf | gemini covers some of its uses, the rest can just... fade away |
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| 20:28.25 | robobox | sftp (and the long-dead SHTTP) are different that FTPS AND HTTPs |
| 20:28.49 | sney | anyway, now that ftp is dead, maybe we can get a modern replacement for smtp too! |
| 20:28.52 | sney | pulls the pin and runs |
| 20:28.59 | CommunistWolf | hehe |
| 20:29.07 | robobox | http/2 and html are fine if you don't use too much javascript |
| 20:29.25 | CommunistWolf | problem is, that's not under my control, it's under the control of the site author |
| 20:29.27 | EdePopede | but that's just what's happening |
| 20:29.53 | EdePopede | no more web PAGES with added JS for interoperability, no, JS APPS with some html wrapper. |
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| 20:30.53 | robobox | also I use SeaMonkey and Fx ESR so :P |
| 20:30.58 | EdePopede | see what youtube is now. or how even google had to come up with amp. after poisoning everything with loads of js frameworks. |
| 20:31.02 | jhutchins | sney: That had been my impression, but I wasn't sure. People I dealt with at work were inconsistent in their terminology. |
| 20:31.48 | robobox | youtube should just use the native html5 video element that every browser has had for 10 years |
| 20:32.14 | robobox | don't even care about static image ad banners |
| 20:32.17 | sney | jhutchins: yeah, it's a common error to conflate them. in here particularly. I remember one user fighting for hours to set up vsftpd and then it turned out that they actually wanted to use sftp. |
| 20:32.43 | robobox | or text ads, just make sure its a "sponsored by |
| 20:32.45 | jhutchins | The last problem I worked on was transfer to a mainframe. The mainframe was a different team than I was working with (the time I was working with got the file after the mainframe reformatted it.) |
| 20:32.53 | robobox | thing and not ad networks |
| 20:33.11 | jhutchins | Everybody who set this particular process up and knew how it worked had retired. |
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| 20:35.14 | robobox | of course |
| 20:35.52 | robobox | just bring back pre-alphabet (2015) google, no nonsense search engine |
| 20:36.07 | robobox | no material design, browser interoptability |
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| 20:38.52 | cakeface | oh boy. |
| 20:39.21 | cakeface | How would my small amount of google stock work then? :D |
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| 20:39.51 | jhutchins | cakeface: Do you own google or alphabet? |
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| 20:40.16 | cakeface | not enough stock to even get excited about honestly. |
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| 21:35.34 | robobox | man I should have bought apple stock back in like 2003 |
| 21:35.40 | robobox | or bitcoin a year ago |
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| 21:39.49 | oxek | which simple image editor do you use (and is available in debian repos)? Only need rotate, resize, crop, brighten, JPG & PNG support, and adding a black bar over some area (like text on a photo of a document). |
| 21:40.06 | robobox | gnome paint/gpaint? |
| 21:41.14 | oxek | robobox: gpaint is about to be removed from debian |
| 21:41.35 | oxek | it will likely not be in bullseye |
| 21:42.13 | robobox | oh that's sad |
| 21:43.10 | robobox | the gimp is far eaisier to use now in 2.8/2.10 so you could use that? stuff you do should be easy |
| 21:43.48 | oxek | gimp is far too complex. I can use it, but I can't recommend it for someone who only needs those simple features I listed. |
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| 21:45.24 | robobox | krita, perhaps? or you could try running microsoft paint in wine (fairly simple program, so any version of it should work) |
| 21:45.27 | EdePopede | sounds like image magick or that other one |
| 21:46.16 | robobox | kde and gnome have WAY too many programs in their bundle anyway |
| 21:46.37 | robobox | like the web browsers, what's the point if i'm using firefox/chromium anyways |
| 21:46.40 | oxek | krita looks like something to create pictures, whereas I only need simple editing of existing pictures (photos) like documents |
| 21:46.57 | robobox | yeah my knowlege is limited :P |
| 21:47.09 | oxek | oh wow, krita is massive |
| 21:48.00 | robobox | maybe i'll write to microsoft to release paint's source under MIT lisense and port it to Qt/GTK |
| 21:48.41 | oxek | I can't really see using MSpaint in wine as 'the debian way of doing things'. Plus paint doesn't have ability to increase image brightness. |
| 21:48.50 | oxek | (last I checked, it was a while ago though) |
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| 21:49.28 | robobox | MSFT hasn't updated it much since windows nt 6.1/windows 7 so it almost certainly doesn't |
| 21:49.30 | EdePopede | why not xforms? |
| 21:49.34 | n4dir | oxek: you speak german? then i have a link, though not of much use |
| 21:49.51 | oxek | image magick does not have a GUI, or does it now? I can't see myself using commandline to add black bars. |
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| 21:49.57 | oxek | n4dir: I can do some german, sure |
| 21:50.12 | oxek | Ich bin berliner or stuff like that |
| 21:50.22 | n4dir | fotoxx might help, but i am not much in graphics/photos/images |
| 21:50.28 | robobox | guten tag! |
| 21:50.28 | n4dir | https://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Grafik/#Bildbearbeitung |
| 21:50.47 | EdePopede | not sure if IM was the one with that odd menu system where the cursor changes it direction |
| 21:50.56 | n4dir | i think to recall some screenshot programs do easy image-manipulation too, but forgot the names |
| 21:51.13 | oxek | that's a good idea, screenshot manipulations programs might do what I need |
| 21:51.15 | EdePopede | scrot is the only one i use and thus remember |
| 21:51.35 | n4dir | oxek: might be shutter, but that is gone too. Someone found a replacement the other day, but i forgot what it was |
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| 21:51.55 | oxek | yeah shutter's dead |
| 21:52.26 | n4dir | shutter island? or was the title of the movie different ... :-) |
| 21:54.53 | n4dir | oxek: flameshot was what he found as a replacement for his needs (thanks to bash history completion ...) |
| 21:55.17 | oxek | I really need something simple. A typical workflow is that someone sends me a photo of a document, I need to rotate it, crop it to show only the document and not the desk it is on, brighten the image because it is too dark, and apply black bar over some text in that document, export as JPG and email it somewhere or print it |
| 21:55.53 | n4dir | then perhaps fotoxx as described in ubuntuusers.de/wiki |
| 21:56.10 | oxek | I'm slowly going through that list, thanks |
| 21:56.27 | n4dir | k, enough of a subject i have no clue. good luck ! |
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| 22:03.38 | oxek | if anyone else has any recommendations on a tool to check out, I'd be glad to hear it, thanks |
| 22:05.26 | jhutchins | oxek: Several of the image viewers have crop/rotate/color adjust functions. I believe geegie does. |
| 22:05.36 | jhutchins | oxek: There is, of course, the gimp. |
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| 22:09.39 | oxek | I'd really like to avoid using gimp, it's complicated and a massive overkill for the job. |
| 22:10.30 | Mister00X | oxek: Im not sure about the brightness thing but gwenview can crop and rotate |
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| 22:12.22 | mutante | oxek: sorry, this is not really Linux, but when i read your description of what you want, this came to mind right away: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.simplescan.scanner |
| 22:13.06 | mutante | used that a lot because.. runs on the camera and don't want a separate flatbed scanner if not needed |
| 22:17.51 | oxek | mutante: I think I used something like that on my phone at some point. Haven't really used my phone at all for a whole year now though because lockdown... |
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| 22:18.56 | mutante | I feel a bit dirty for suggesting non-free but it totally did the "simple but just enough features and export to PDF" |
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| 22:23.16 | GenTooMan | greets how can I find the status of a package, for example if a package has a new version and it's in testing, I would like to know why it's in testing and what might be blocking it from migrating to back-ports. |
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| 22:24.17 | ctcx | Aside the risk of losing files and general data corruption, am I in danger if I suffered a power outage on my command line Debian rig, while logged as root? |
| 22:24.39 | greycat | Oh, you don't mean the status of YOUR system, you mean metadata about Debian itself. You can get that from https://tracker.debian.org/ |
| 22:25.14 | ctcx | I was just checking some files only readable for root, then power outage... |
| 22:26.21 | greycat | just being logged into a shell doesn't do anything harmful |
| 22:27.08 | greycat | opening a file for reading (e.g. less /something) doesn't hurt either -- the worst you can do is corrupt your $HOME/.lesshst which you can always just delete. |
| 22:27.34 | ctcx | Even as root user? |
| 22:27.37 | greycat | now, if it's opened for *writing*, that's a different story |
| 22:27.46 | greycat | doesn't matter what user you are |
| 22:27.55 | ctcx | ....ok |
| 22:28.07 | ctcx | But no, I was not actually even working on any file. |
| 22:28.15 | greycat | try to avoid crashing while you have files opened and partially edited in a text editor |
| 22:28.19 | ctcx | Just displaying. |
| 22:28.29 | ctcx | Yes, of course. |
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| 22:29.43 | oxek | and of course try to get a UPS, run on a proper filesystem like ZFS/btrfs, use good hardware, use ECC RAM, have backups, ... |
| 22:30.09 | ctcx | In another thing, is the command dmidecode totally safe for using? I already read it just displays info from BIOS, but I have always been a bit uneasy regarding sudo-only commands... |
| 22:30.57 | ctcx | By the way, UPS was not the problem here; this piece of trash has faulty PSU already. I know already I should replace it. |
| 22:31.21 | oxek | well yeah, don't use a system with faulty PSU... |
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| 22:32.58 | ctcx | Or no one has used dmidecode? |
| 22:33.57 | ctcx | Nevermind. |
| 22:34.05 | ctcx | I'll try and see for myself. |
| 22:34.08 | ctcx | Thanks everyone. |
| 22:34.32 | ctcx | And I'll get rid of that piece of trash. |
| 22:34.47 | oxek | I used dmidecode, did not crash system but showed wrong values for most things |
| 22:34.54 | ctcx | Ouch. |
| 22:35.01 | ctcx | Well, I'll try |
| 22:36.10 | ctcx | Thanks. |
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| 23:45.21 | jhutchins | GenTooMan: Packages in testing only go to backports if a) somebody requsets it, and b) someone is interested and willing to maintain it. |
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| 23:46.21 | jhutchins | GenTooMan: Backports are meant to be selective and manual, stable/stable backports do not automatically track new versions. |
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