| 00:00.08 | sney | the ability to look stuff up is probably the single most useful skill in tech |
| 00:00.29 | oxek | I fully agree |
| 00:00.53 | sney | the aptitude flags one took a long time to find the first time I looked for it. but then I made a bookmark. |
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| 00:05.53 | Vatum | should i install first linux-headers, and then linux-image? i tried installing linux-image first and got some errors, from what i understand talking about missing headers |
| 00:06.01 | sney | oxek: I assume the reason it's not on the man page is because there's just *so much* to document about aptitude. but if someone filed a bug that included a patch for the manpage to include this info specifically, it might be accepted |
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| 00:06.25 | Vatum | also the usual command apt-get install linux-image-amd64 linux-headers-amd64, also seems to prioritize headers |
| 00:06.47 | sney | Vatum: if you're trying to build extra modules, it doesn't really matter which one you install first, both will trigger dkms |
| 00:06.49 | Vatum | is there any difference if the packages are installed within a single command than seperately? |
| 00:07.08 | sney | nope, doesn't matter. |
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| 00:07.28 | Vatum | sney, maybe its because i uninstalled everything first, including /lib/modules |
| 00:07.39 | Vatum | that i got the error when installing linux-image first |
| 00:08.09 | sney | in general, if you manually delete file trees that are managed by apt, it will complain |
| 00:08.27 | sney | if you want a more specific answer than that you will have to pastebin the full output. |
| 00:08.34 | Vatum | is it safe deleting every kernel and header before installing something new? |
| 00:08.44 | Vatum | from what i understand they are loaded in ram already |
| 00:08.54 | sney | it is generally a bad idea to uninstall the running kernel. |
| 00:09.16 | Vatum | i did uninstall the running kernel and all kernels and headers with their /lib/modules to clean up my system |
| 00:09.23 | ryouma | i would be delighted with an option that made files under apt control undeletable :) |
| 00:09.27 | Vatum | then installed the version of header and then image i wanted |
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| 00:10.28 | Vatum | i mean everything is loaded in ram. worst case scenario, power outage and unbootable system, which i can fix with a usb live system and chroot |
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| 00:57.10 | jennie | hello, can someone help me loading wifi firmware please |
| 00:57.17 | jennie | i am CLI minimal debian |
| 00:58.49 | sney | jennie: what nic is it? |
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| 00:59.14 | jennie | intel 7265 |
| 00:59.38 | jennie | 7265NGW * |
| 00:59.44 | sney | do you have a wired connection available? |
| 01:00.38 | jennie | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:00.42 | jennie | this laptop has no ethernet port |
| 01:00.51 | sney | ok, then go here: https://packages.debian.org/buster/firmware-iwlwifi |
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| 01:01.03 | jennie | yes |
| 01:01.19 | sney | scroll down to the bottom, there is a download link under 'all'. put the resulting .deb on a usb drive, install locally on your debian system, and reboot. |
| 01:01.58 | jennie | okay one minute, almost done |
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| 01:03.04 | runciter | i have an unstable installation with an incompatible set of packages installed that's preventing me from installing a compatible set. i want to uninstall everything and reinstall stuff from a saved selections file but keep most of /etc - is there a way to do this that doesn't involve debootstrapping from a rescue image? |
| 01:03.40 | sney | runciter: as you can see from the topic, unstable support is in #debian-next on OFTC (note, right now you are on freenode) |
| 01:03.45 | runciter | oops |
| 01:03.47 | runciter | sney, thanks! |
| 01:03.58 | sney | np |
| 01:03.58 | runciter | having said that, this isn't really an unstable question |
| 01:04.29 | runciter | i'm mostly curious if there's a better way to blow away all the installed packages and readd them by hand than booting into a rescue image and bootstrapping by hand |
| 01:04.40 | sney | please respect the debian community's decision to split support by debian version in use, even if *you* think it doesn't matter what channel you are in. |
| 01:05.02 | jennie | mount command for usb is giving error - " unknown filesystem type 'exfat; " |
| 01:05.09 | runciter | sney, pretend i said stable |
| 01:05.59 | runciter | it is an X Y problem - the X was something to do with unstable, the Y is "how do i hand bootstrap a debian system" - and i think i have my answer |
| 01:06.14 | ratrace | so the question IS unstable after all. :) |
| 01:06.30 | runciter | no, x y problem is the users asks x but actually wants y |
| 01:06.41 | ratrace | and that makes it unstable. flips from x to y |
| 01:06.51 | jennie | i cant mount this USB stick :( http://i.imgur.com/bHDtbgP.jpg |
| 01:06.54 | jennie | sney ^ |
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| 01:07.17 | sney | jennie: exfat isn't supported by default, can you use fat32 instead? |
| 01:07.33 | jennie | so reformat usb stick with fat32? |
| 01:07.55 | sney | yes. if you want to use exfat later, you can install exfat-utils once you have a network connection |
| 01:08.12 | jennie | okay thanks, will switch to fat32, |
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| 01:16.26 | TTT | do I need amdgpu-pro to get OpenCL running on Radeon 5700XT ? |
| 01:16.34 | sney | !crosspost |
| 01:16.34 | dpkg | Posting the same question in several places at the same time (IRC channels, news groups, mailing lists, forums) is impolite; your time is NOT more valuable than everyone else's. Your question might be answered elsewhere, meanwhile we are wasting our time doing research for a problem you've already solved. Cross-posting can also make you look like a spammer and get you k:lined. See also <multiple ask> <hurry>. |
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| 01:21.29 | rander2 | hello |
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| 01:24.30 | jennie | sney installation done, whats next step please |
| 01:25.40 | sney | jennie: you installed the package? now you reboot, and check 'lsmod |grep iwlwifi'. if the driver shows, then you can proceed with configuring your network |
| 01:26.02 | jennie | yes, installed the package, done. |
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| 01:36.31 | lru | have there been any discussions on including the Brave browser in official debian repos? |
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| 01:39.11 | mrjpaxton[m] | Hmm... considering that Brave already packages a .deb repo, I would hope to see it in the next stable release, too. You can still use the unofficial repo though. |
| 01:39.14 | karlpinc | !wnpp |
| 01:39.15 | dpkg | For information on packages which are not in Debian but you think should be, check the Work-Needing and Prospective Packages list at http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp (refinable list at http://wnpp.debian.net/). Use wnpp-alert (from the <devscripts> package) to see what packages you are using that are in need of help. |
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| 01:42.45 | lru | that's quite a list of software lol, thanks |
| 01:42.52 | sney | there is this from a few years ago, but it looks like nobody is interested in packaging it, instead referring to the upstream repo https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=864795 |
| 01:43.23 | sney | if you want brave-browser in debian, and you are familiar with the software and have time, why not package it yourself? |
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| 01:46.07 | lru | perhaps it is because there is no concept of "LTS" for Brave yet |
| 01:47.36 | sney | that would be an important factor to discuss, but it doesn't look like it has been yet |
| 01:48.45 | sney | debian has workarounds and arrangements for plenty of upstreams that seem to publish a new release every 5 minutes. |
| 01:48.56 | freem | like firefox? |
| 01:49.13 | ratrace | firefox has ESR |
| 01:49.18 | lru | where would that discussion happen? in the bug? |
| 01:50.23 | sney | sure, or in #debian-mentors if you were interested in picking it up |
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| 16:40.44 | foxide | DDDD: I said "don't use -e." |
| 16:41.13 | foxide | And it will change the file in-place. You don't need redirection. |
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| 16:42.14 | jennie | ok jim its mounted, i did something wrong and i got it mounted in /root/usbstick |
| 16:42.32 | jim | oh great :) |
| 16:42.35 | jennie | i can see contents by ls |
| 16:43.23 | jim | ok, show me what it says when you: ls -CF /root/usbstick |
| 16:44.34 | jennie | i can see all files and folders which i extracted into usb on windows computer |
| 16:44.45 | DDDD | foxide, sorry only read the highlighted text. Tho even ssh-keygen -p -f id_rsa -m 'PEM' > key.pem gives no different result. |
| 16:44.51 | DDDD | Tried ssh-keygen -p -f id_rsa -m 'PEM' too and same thing there |
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| 16:45.34 | jim | jennie, I forgot what was there exactly :) so I need to see |
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| 16:46.06 | foxide | Works for me. |
| 16:46.20 | jim | I know, not the most fun... but that will change... you did good when you got that thing mounted, made progress |
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| 16:46.45 | jim | we now have access to the stick |
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| 16:51.14 | foxide | DDDD: 'ssh-keygen -f id_rsa -p -m PEM' translates the contents of id_rsa into PEM format, for me. |
| 16:53.35 | jennie | https://i.imgur.com/Nkl0L8e.jpg jim |
| 16:54.00 | jennie | you might have to rotoate the image |
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| 16:55.05 | DDDD | foxide, odd that it does not work for me, even if i copypaste that. |
| 16:55.11 | DDDD | foxide, where did it safe the pem file for you? |
| 16:55.20 | foxide | DDDD: It changed the contents of the existing file. |
| 16:55.26 | foxide | If you cat id_rsa, it should be in the new format. |
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| 16:57.06 | DDDD | foxide, that makes sense, sorry my bad |
| 16:57.07 | DDDD | thanks |
| 16:57.10 | foxide | All good! |
| 16:57.19 | DDDD | Thank you a lot for your time |
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| 17:00.50 | jim | faster to rotate my head :) |
| 17:01.41 | jim | ok, got it. |
| 17:02.01 | jim | now we add a line to /etc/apt/sources.list: |
| 17:02.33 | jim | deb file:/root/usbstick buster main |
| 17:02.39 | jennie | ok |
| 17:03.20 | jennie | done |
| 17:03.28 | jim | ok, try: apt update |
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| 17:04.22 | jennie | updating from such a reposiroty cant be done securely and its disabled by default |
| 17:04.44 | jim | hold on |
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| 17:12.57 | jim | I think I got this... |
| 17:13.26 | jim | jennie, you want to edit /etc/apt/apt.conf, and add this line: |
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| 17:13.55 | jennie | ok |
| 17:14.02 | jim | Acquire::AllowInsecureRepositories true |
| 17:14.22 | jim | then save the file, and try apt update again |
| 17:14.47 | jennie | jim this file is empty now |
| 17:14.52 | jennie | i am adding this as first line |
| 17:14.56 | jim | that's fine |
| 17:15.36 | jennie | apt.conf error, extra junk at the end of the file |
| 17:16.48 | jim | does it say a line number? if 2, it means the extra junk is after... |
| 17:17.06 | jim | we'll try the line another way |
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| 17:19.29 | jim | try putting the true in double quotes, like: "true" |
| 17:20.48 | jim | jennie, ^^ |
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| 17:21.26 | jennie | ok |
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| 17:21.40 | jennie | extra junk at the end of the file jim |
| 17:22.03 | jim | how many enters are there after that line? |
| 17:23.20 | zerocool | so yesterday i gave my windows vm a raw device and installed the OS |
| 17:23.34 | zerocool | the raw device turned out to be my host device |
| 17:23.35 | zerocool | -_- |
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| 17:23.54 | jennie | hi jim,looks like non |
| 17:24.51 | Druid | echo "Acquire::AllowInsecureRepositories true" > /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 17:24.58 | Seb95passiongnul | Hello Debian family, I'm going to ask a bit silly question, but I'm having errors with Lintian, I'm having trouble seeing how: The source of the following file is missing. Lintian checked a few possible paths to find the source, and did not find it. Please repack your package to include the source or add it to "debian / missing-sources" directory. Please note, that very-long-line-length-in-source-file |
| 17:24.58 | Seb95passiongnul | tagged files are likely tagged source-is-missing. It is a feature not a bug. The package is on mentors: https://mentors.debian.net/package/ghostwriter/ |
| 17:25.35 | Seb95passiongnul | what should I do to stop having errors? |
| 17:29.02 | jim | jennie, ok, we might as well try another way... ok with installing again, since there's nothing in that debian yet? |
| 17:29.05 | jennie | Druid jim still saying extra junk at the end of the file, i tried echo as well |
| 17:30.00 | jennie | jim should I try this in fstab deb [allow-insecure=yes] file:/root/usbstick/ |
| 17:30.05 | jennie | jim should I try this in fstab deb [allow-insecure=yes] file:/root/usbstick/ buster main |
| 17:30.24 | jim | not in fstab |
| 17:30.30 | jennie | sorry i meant in sources |
| 17:30.36 | jim | in /etc/apt/sources.llist |
| 17:30.43 | jim | in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 17:31.28 | n4dir | Seb95passiongnul: you could ask in #packaging on the other IRC network, i think OFTC |
| 17:31.39 | jennie | jim aptupdate ran without error for secure package |
| 17:32.43 | jim | great |
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| 17:33.15 | jennie | ok |
| 17:33.37 | jim | great... now try this: apt install wicd |
| 17:34.24 | jennie | package is not available |
| 17:34.26 | Seb95passiongnul | thanks n4dir do you have the channel please? |
| 17:34.26 | Seb95passiongnul | I looked on # debian-mentors but no one |
| 17:34.56 | jennie | its saying it has wicd-daemon instead |
| 17:35.08 | jim | try that |
| 17:35.47 | jim | and also install wicd-curses |
| 17:36.05 | jim | and wireless-tools (if that didn't install it already) |
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| 17:38.17 | jim | how is that looking? |
| 17:38.22 | jennie | not good |
| 17:38.43 | jim | what does it say? |
| 17:38.43 | jennie | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:39.15 | jim | ok, you know what... are you willing to do a reinstall? |
| 17:39.29 | jim | this is way too much work |
| 17:39.29 | jennie | no |
| 17:39.43 | jennie | yes, its not good |
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| 17:40.21 | jim | unmount that usb stick and set it aside... |
| 17:40.41 | jim | take the other usb stick, and rufus the dvd image on it |
| 17:40.54 | jennie | okay |
| 17:41.45 | jim | (obviously you'd use rufus from the windows machine) |
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| 17:43.04 | jim | then see if that boots |
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| 17:44.00 | jim | it's -really- dumb to make these dvd images, and then make it impossible to use them |
| 17:44.43 | jim | jennie, how's it going |
| 17:45.04 | jennie | rufus doing its work |
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| 17:45.10 | jim | great |
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| 17:45.19 | Akuw | how can i configure my keyboard |
| 17:45.34 | Akuw | i am trying dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration |
| 17:45.50 | Akuw | but can't get right chars |
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| 17:47.23 | SerpentSpeech | Akuw it might locale? |
| 17:47.34 | SerpentSpeech | +be |
| 17:47.55 | jim | if it is, it might be: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 17:48.04 | SerpentSpeech | yup |
| 17:48.04 | Akuw | locale is US but should be spanish |
| 17:48.23 | jim | maybe you want to install more locales |
| 17:48.24 | SerpentSpeech | typ jim's line |
| 17:48.45 | SerpentSpeech | choose spanish utf-8 |
| 17:50.13 | Akuw | i installed locale |
| 17:50.17 | Akuw | and selected |
| 17:50.23 | Akuw | but when i type is same |
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| 17:50.30 | SerpentSpeech | reconnect |
| 17:50.45 | SerpentSpeech | or is it at home pc? |
| 17:51.12 | Akuw | home pc |
| 17:51.19 | Akuw | reboot necesary? |
| 17:51.25 | jim | jennie, right now, on your linux laptop, you already have partitions set up... you'd have to arrange to format them again, and use them, and mount them, all in the partitioning tool |
| 17:51.28 | SerpentSpeech | try logout then reboot if not |
| 17:51.52 | jim | would he need fonts? |
| 17:52.17 | SerpentSpeech | fonts? |
| 17:52.29 | jennie | jim i will reinstall minimal debian, which is easier for me |
| 17:52.33 | jim | well for the spanish locale |
| 17:52.43 | SerpentSpeech | ah you mean in the irc and terminal.. perhaps |
| 17:53.22 | jim | jennie, well now you should be able to do more... stay with us, does the dvd image boot off of the usb stick? |
| 17:54.09 | jim | SerpentSpeech, yeah, so he can get the accented chars and the sideways : over the n |
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| 17:55.32 | jim | jennie, stay with us... it should work now (and -yes-, how many times have I said THAT before) |
| 17:55.44 | jennie | oaky |
| 17:55.50 | jim | but give it a shot |
| 17:55.50 | jennie | i am still waiting for rufus to finish |
| 17:55.56 | jim | ok |
| 17:56.08 | jim | you already have a minimal install |
| 17:56.12 | SerpentSpeech | jim yeah will see if he returns |
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| 17:57.50 | jim | jennie, if you install with the dvd image, it should put a source to itself in /etc/apt/sources.list, so then you should be able to install those packages |
| 17:58.35 | jim | when you get to the partitioning tool, let me know |
| 17:58.50 | jennie | i dont understand about the partitioning tool |
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| 17:59.24 | jim | the installer will eventually start the partitioning tool (you've seen it before) |
| 17:59.32 | Akuw | i restarted but same |
| 17:59.37 | jennie | you boot from dvd1 and reinstall debian? |
| 17:59.45 | jim | yes |
| 17:59.49 | jennie | ahh i see |
| 17:59.51 | SerpentSpeech | Akuw what does locale say? |
| 17:59.53 | Akuw | my locale is ---> es_ES.UTF-8 |
| 18:00.13 | jim | jennie, then you should have the dvd image's sources |
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| 18:00.37 | Akuw | https://paste.debian.net/1182428/ |
| 18:01.07 | jim | (which was what the original goal, after you downloaded the dvd image)] |
| 18:01.13 | SerpentSpeech | Akuw good, then you need a font supporting it |
| 18:01.30 | Akuw | how can i install that? |
| 18:01.34 | Akuw | or configure |
| 18:01.48 | jim | well we just have to know which package it's in |
| 18:02.13 | relipse | how do I upgrade to buster? |
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| 18:02.28 | relipse | last week you guy shelped me upgrade to 9 |
| 18:02.32 | relipse | !codenames |
| 18:02.32 | dpkg | Debian release codenames are buzz (1.1), rex (1.2), bo (1.3), hamm (2.0), slink (2.1), potato (2.2), woody (3.0), sarge (3.1), etch (4.0), lenny (5.0), squeeze (6.0), wheezy (7) jessie (8) stretch (9) buster (10) and sid=Unstable. "lsb_release -sc" (lsb-release package) will display a Debian system's codename. http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives#s-codenames |
| 18:02.34 | jim | relipse, what are you running now? |
| 18:02.51 | jim | you're running stretch? |
| 18:02.51 | relipse | i'm on stretch |
| 18:03.13 | jim | ok, first, you want to bring stretch all the way uptodate |
| 18:03.24 | SerpentSpeech | Akuw try: setxkbmap es |
| 18:04.20 | Akuw | SerpentSpeech: nice, no working, thanks |
| 18:04.31 | SerpentSpeech | Akuw cool :) |
| 18:04.45 | jennie | jim boot for dvd1 setup ok\ |
| 18:04.47 | jim | relipse, so: -without- changing sources.list, run, in this order: apt update, then apt upgrade, then apt dist-upgrade |
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| 18:05.15 | jim | jennie, it booted? |
| 18:05.15 | Akuw | then the procedure is 1. Install locale 2. setxkbmap |
| 18:05.19 | jennie | yes |
| 18:05.29 | jim | great :) |
| 18:05.36 | Akuw | dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration is used for? |
| 18:05.47 | jim | jennie, so you're int the installer? |
| 18:05.56 | SerpentSpeech | i dont know never used it :) |
| 18:06.14 | Akuw | ok |
| 18:06.34 | jennie | yes jim, i am in installer |
| 18:06.35 | SerpentSpeech | i have set swedish utf-8 and so on, then reconnect vps and it works |
| 18:07.04 | jim | jennie, good, good... did it happen to find your wireless? |
| 18:07.22 | jennie | its asking to load missing firmware files |
| 18:07.34 | jennie | and asking to insert media for firmware files and continue' |
| 18:07.52 | jim | let's skip that, and install them after you reboot into it |
| 18:08.04 | jennie | okay |
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| 18:08.56 | jennie | jim I am at partition disk tool |
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| 18:09.04 | jim | great... |
| 18:09.12 | jennie | so guided - use entire disk?" |
| 18:09.29 | jim | sure, that's what you did before? |
| 18:09.31 | jennie | yes |
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| 18:09.59 | jim | ok, do that then :) that would wipe your drive so then you'd start over |
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| 18:10.15 | jim | which is what we want |
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| 18:11.17 | relipse | Description: Debian GNU/Linux 9.13 (stretch) |
| 18:11.27 | jennie | oka |
| 18:11.45 | jim | relipse, did the upgrades want to install anything? |
| 18:14.46 | relipse | jim: yeah I installed a php 7.4 package |
| 18:14.53 | relipse | other than that we're good |
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| 18:16.45 | jim | relipse, ok, if that's done, you just change the /etc/apt/sources.list so it's on buster inetead of stretch, then do the same thing again (which will be MUCH more): apt update ; apt upgrade ; apt dist-upgrade |
| 18:18.10 | jim | basically an upgrade like this will replace your entire system |
| 18:19.01 | jim | jennie, what's it doing now? |
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| 18:21.18 | jennie | jim asking for network mirror |
| 18:21.20 | jennie | yes or n?" |
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| 18:23.35 | jim | hmm... did it find your wireless card before? if no, then n |
| 18:25.16 | jennie | okay its asking for software installation 1 debian desktop environment 2 print server 3 standard system utilities and they are already checked |
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| 18:28.04 | jennie | should i uncheck debian desktop environment? |
| 18:29.07 | jennie | jim |
| 18:29.38 | jim | hi, you should also add ssh server |
| 18:29.53 | jennie | but i wanted to install a different desktop environment |
| 18:30.07 | jim | and pick whatever desktop env you like ;) |
| 18:30.17 | jennie | its not in the list here |
| 18:30.48 | phogg | Worst case scenario you can switch later (pretty easily). Or, install with none and add the one you like later. |
| 18:30.53 | relipse | Help! What do I do, do i keep differences? or what? https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/KDijdWvP/ |
| 18:31.25 | jennie | yes, i will install with none thanks phogg |
| 18:31.27 | jim | ok, then uncheck desktop environment, and we'll pick one later, or, try one you haven't tried |
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| 18:32.25 | relipse | you guys here? |
| 18:32.32 | jim | also remember there are other dvd images, which probably have other DEs, and once we get the net up (which it's looking good for), then you can install what you want |
| 18:33.45 | jim | relipse, yeah, gimme a min... |
| 18:33.54 | sney | relipse: the new file doesn't add anything of note so you may as well keep the current file |
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| 18:35.42 | joze | jim: that was a minute |
| 18:36.21 | jhutchins | Debian doesn't do different isos for different desktops. |
| 18:36.35 | jennie | jim install done |
| 18:37.38 | relipse | ok it seems it got upgraded: Description: Debian GNU/Linux 10 (buster) do I need to reboot? |
| 18:37.57 | sney | relipse: yes, to use the new kernel |
| 18:39.02 | jim | jennie, -wow- that was fast |
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| 18:40.05 | jennie | whats next step |
| 18:40.16 | jim | reboot :) |
| 18:40.25 | jennie | yes, i am in root logged intr |
| 18:40.45 | jim | ok |
| 18:41.18 | jim | try this: apt install wireless-tools |
| 18:41.43 | jennie | its already intsalled |
| 18:41.56 | jennie | but ls /sys/class/net is showing only lo |
| 18:42.02 | jim | ok, apt install wicd-daemon |
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| 18:42.23 | jennie | unable to locate package wicd-daemon |
| 18:42.35 | jim | ok |
| 18:43.04 | jim | could you show: cat -n /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 18:45.54 | jhutchins | jim: wicd is obsolete and deprecated and fails with many cards. |
| 18:46.03 | jim | ok |
| 18:46.14 | jim | nm is not? |
| 18:46.32 | jhutchins | jim: Network Manager replaced it years ago. NM is still maintained and is the preferred solution. |
| 18:46.50 | jim | ok |
| 18:47.16 | jhutchins | wicd was geat when it first came out, it was the first real solution to portability. |
| 18:48.19 | jhutchins | jennie: So you'd want to make sure that Network Manager is there. There are things like nm-cli if you don't want to use a desktop applet to manage it.. |
| 18:48.44 | jennie | jhutchins nmcli command not found |
| 18:48.57 | zutat | nmtui also |
| 18:49.13 | SerpentSpeech | click and add wireless network? |
| 18:49.13 | jim | jhutchins, here's the current situation... jennie wrote buster dvd 1 to a usb stick, then booted from that, and ran the installer to completion... she's now rebooted into that, and now where should we be in terms of ability to install stuff? |
| 18:49.18 | jennie | https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/KrdXtmJYhR/ jim is the output |
| 18:50.00 | jhutchins | Clearly the next step is to get the network up, which will probably need firmware if it didn't get configured by default. |
| 18:50.18 | jennie | jhutchins i have it in the usb stick |
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| 18:50.41 | jhutchins | !firmware |
| 18:50.41 | dpkg | Firmware is software to operate electronic devices, usually contained in EPROM or flash memory. Some Linux kernel drivers require firmware to be provided from userspace, notably for <WiFi> devices. Most firmware files are not part of a Debian release as they do not conform to the <DFSG>; some are available via <contrib> and <non-free> packages, ask me about <search>. See also <installer firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware |
| 18:50.58 | jhutchins | Darn, I thought it had the package name. |
| 18:51.29 | jim | jhutchins, tried a netinstall with firmware, didn't find the wireless... but she installed some packages manually, some firmware packages, then we saw an interface in /sys/class/net |
| 18:51.31 | jhutchins | jennie: If you have non-free enabled, try apt search "nonfree" |
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| 18:52.47 | jennie | yes it shows a firmware-linux-free |
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| 18:53.26 | jim | jhutchins, hmm. got weird output, looks like a diff, in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 18:53.43 | jim | jennie, see if you can install that |
| 18:53.47 | jennie | how |
| 18:54.06 | jim | apt install firmware-linux-free |
| 18:54.32 | jhutchins | Oh, ok, I saw that she only had lo. |
| 18:54.39 | jennie | its saying 0 installed, firmware-linux-free already nweset version 3.4 |
| 18:54.52 | jhutchins | nmcli is in network-manager, or you can use static config. |
| 18:54.55 | jhutchins | !interfaces |
| 18:54.56 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for documentation, "zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz" for example configurations. Start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration . See also <dhcp client>, <resolv.conf>, <static route>. |
| 18:55.07 | jim | ok, we need to know if the installer works on that image |
| 18:55.21 | jhutchins | I'll leave you to it, too many cooks. |
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| 18:55.53 | jim | well how can we find out what the status of her being able to install stuff? |
| 18:57.10 | jim | jennie, ok, one more time, cat -n /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 18:57.18 | jim | last time looked weird |
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| 18:58.04 | jennie | same as last time https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/KrdXtmJYhR/ |
| 18:58.59 | jim | ok, that time looked good |
| 18:59.26 | jim | I think that one was my mistake |
| 18:59.38 | jim | but, looks good... |
| 18:59.49 | jhutchins | I would suggest adding non-free to the end of the two active lines. I usually comment out the src lines for efficiency. |
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| 18:59.58 | jmcnaught | jennie: your sources.list is incomplete because you did not configure a network mirror during installation. See https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList#Example_sources.list for examples. You want the second example if you have hardware that needs non-free firmware. |
| 19:00.28 | jhutchins | Network Firmware is typically in non-free, |
| 19:00.49 | jennie | jhutchins why cant i install it from usb like i did yesterday? |
| 19:00.56 | jim | well... |
| 19:01.07 | sney | jennie: have you tried? |
| 19:01.12 | jim | a little info: |
| 19:01.12 | jhutchins | jmcnaught: Oh, yeah, she has security but not main. |
| 19:01.29 | jennie | sney no, should i try? |
| 19:01.50 | sney | jennie: if it gave you an interface last time, yes |
| 19:02.00 | jim | is main on the dvd1? |
| 19:02.02 | sney | jennie: I think these two are assuming you already installed it |
| 19:02.20 | sney | jim: correct, debian official isos do not distribute contrib/non-free |
| 19:02.45 | jim | but main and contrib are there |
| 19:03.10 | sney | er, yes, I guess there can be some contrib stuff. |
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| 19:03.20 | jim | ok, let's get main going, and then install an ssh server |
| 19:03.20 | sney | but mostly dvd1 is just the first 4.7GB of main |
| 19:03.30 | jim | that won't work :) |
| 19:03.52 | jim | but let's get main going :) |
| 19:04.04 | sney | what does "get main going" mean? |
| 19:04.18 | SerpentSpeech | sources |
| 19:04.29 | jim | jennie, could you edit /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 19:04.35 | sney | SerpentSpeech: I'm asking what jim means by it. |
| 19:04.48 | SerpentSpeech | there ^ |
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| 19:05.03 | jim | sney, add main to the cdrom line |
| 19:05.31 | jim | she;s paused |
| 19:05.47 | sney | jim: it is there, at the end. are we looking at a different paste? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/KrdXtmJYhR/ line 5 ends with 'buster contrib main' |
| 19:05.47 | SerpentSpeech | ah there is no network at all yet? |
| 19:06.18 | jim | correct, right now jennie has no net on her debian machine |
| 19:06.35 | SerpentSpeech | no cable to use? |
| 19:06.42 | sney | this laptop only has wifi iirc |
| 19:06.48 | SerpentSpeech | aight |
| 19:06.49 | jim | no port to plug it into |
| 19:07.16 | SerpentSpeech | interesting project this :) |
| 19:07.44 | sney | you can get some catch-22 situations installing debian without a network connection, but it usually doesn't require *this* much going around in circles |
| 19:07.46 | jennie | i call wlo1 after ls /sys/class/net |
| 19:07.48 | jim | it's been a horrible blocking problem since yesterday or day before |
| 19:08.15 | jennie | i can see wl01 after i installed firmware for wifif |
| 19:08.16 | jennie | from usb |
| 19:08.20 | sney | great. |
| 19:08.21 | jennie | whats next |
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| 19:08.36 | jim | awexome |
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| 19:08.45 | SerpentSpeech | =) |
| 19:08.49 | jim | ok first, |
| 19:08.51 | sney | configure your network with 4 lines in /etc/network/interfaces, ifup wl01, then fix sources.list and install whatever you want |
| 19:09.06 | jim | one sec. |
| 19:09.50 | jennie | sney i installed complete debian dvd1, so now i have wirelesstolls installed |
| 19:10.01 | jim | jennie, can you edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 19:10.14 | jennie | yes |
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| 19:10.42 | jim | on line 5, you should see the source for the cdrom... yes? |
| 19:10.59 | jim | if so, see where it says contrib? |
| 19:11.23 | jim | should be at the end of that line |
| 19:11.58 | jennie | yes |
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| 19:12.09 | jennie | cdrom has contrib main, rest two have main contrib |
| 19:12.15 | jim | ok, insert the word 'free' before 'contrib' |
| 19:12.31 | jennie | on cdrom or everywhere? |
| 19:12.37 | sney | what? don't do that. there is no such section as 'free' |
| 19:12.39 | jmcnaught | But why? |
| 19:13.00 | jim | oh, it's called main, sorryu |
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| 19:13.13 | jmcnaught | Maybe sorting out /etc/network/interfaces and getting a connection should come first, then edit sources.list. |
| 19:13.20 | sney | jennie: put this in /etc/network/interfaces, replacing ESSID and PASSWORD with your actual wifi network and password, then 'ifup wl01' https://paste.debian.net/1182440/ |
| 19:13.30 | jim | jennie, on cdrom, and, not 'free' but 'main' |
| 19:13.33 | SerpentSpeech | Akuw btw did you install debian in english by your self? Installer prompt says choose langauge if i remember right. Perhaps you wanted system in english? |
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| 19:13.54 | sney | jim: again, it already has main. if you add another main to the end of a line that already says main, it will change nothing. (and apt will probably warn about it) |
| 19:14.23 | jim | right... so the sources are good already |
| 19:14.56 | jim | and, time to install wpasupplicant |
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| 19:15.33 | jim | , depends wireless-tools |
| 19:15.53 | sney | there is no judd bot so the , commands will do nothing |
| 19:16.38 | sney | wireless-tools doesn't depend on wpasupplicant but it may have been installed automatically otherwise, depending on tasks chosen, task-laptop for instance |
| 19:16.54 | jennie | sney can i connect from terminal to the wifi? |
| 19:17.07 | sney | jennie: that's what the paste I linked would do |
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| 19:18.07 | jim | jennie, also, try: apt install wpasupplicant |
| 19:18.26 | jennie | jim already the newer version |
| 19:18.49 | jim | ok good.. |
| 19:18.55 | SerpentSpeech | so there is just to connect wifi left? |
| 19:18.59 | sney | good, you have all of the packages you need for /etc/network/interfaces and ifup to give you a network connection. |
| 19:19.26 | jim | SerpentSpeech, yes I think |
| 19:19.37 | jim | what are the lines? |
| 19:19.54 | SerpentSpeech | inet lo auto and so on |
| 19:19.55 | sney | https://paste.debian.net/1182440/ |
| 19:20.46 | SerpentSpeech | that might work, i just use cable :) |
| 19:21.06 | NetTerminalGene | if i install dnsmasq and set dns as 127.0.0.1 in network manager, will it use my isp's dns? |
| 19:21.12 | jennie | i am connected thanks sney |
| 19:21.17 | jennie | that paste worked like charm |
| 19:21.29 | SerpentSpeech | cool :) |
| 19:21.34 | NetTerminalGene | can i enter blocked websites like that_? |
| 19:21.39 | jim | jennie, ok, now you need a package mirror |
| 19:21.52 | jennie | sney if i understand correctly, this was not possible without a wirelesstools installed? |
| 19:22.00 | sney | jennie: and wpasupplicant, yes |
| 19:22.16 | jennie | okay gret |
| 19:22.26 | sney | !buster sources.list |
| 19:22.26 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Buster" has the lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates main", and optionally "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster-updates main". See <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <buster/updates> <buster-updates> and "man sources.list". |
| 19:22.39 | sney | now just make your sources.list match this ^ and you should be good to go |
| 19:22.49 | jennie | which tool to install to see all ssid in terminal?" |
| 19:22.51 | jennie | scan and all |
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| 19:23.27 | jim | jennie, well, network-manager, then we won't need those 4 lines any more |
| 19:23.33 | sney | that's iwlist, which is in wireless-tools. |
| 19:23.45 | sney | !sbin |
| 19:23.45 | dpkg | Some binaries, particularly system utilities are installed to /sbin or /usr/sbin rather than /bin or /usr/bin. The former directories are not in a standard user's PATH. Try calling them directly, e.g. /sbin/ifconfig, or running them as root. See also <buster su>. |
| 19:23.59 | jennie | I tried iwlist wlo1 scannig but it didnt work |
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| 19:24.24 | jim | try: iwlist scan |
| 19:24.27 | sney | did you make sure to type a 0, not a o |
| 19:24.42 | jennie | okay it worked but lol so many pages just scrolled down |
| 19:24.55 | jennie | how to scan in compact list |
| 19:24.58 | sney | you can pipe it into |less if you need to |
| 19:25.06 | jim | jennie, that long listing is your neighbors :) |
| 19:25.10 | sney | scroll with the arrow keys |
| 19:25.38 | jennie | sney arrow keys are scrolling terminal commands historical commands |
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| 19:25.57 | sney | if you use |less, like I just said, then you can scroll the output with the arrow keys. |
| 19:26.16 | SerpentSpeech | pgup or pgdn with first |
| 19:26.37 | jennie | yes, got it |
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| 19:27.09 | jim | jennie, try: apt install network-manager |
| 19:27.48 | jim | also, now you can install the DE you want |
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| 19:28.10 | sney | !tasksel |
| 19:28.10 | dpkg | tasksel is a program to select and install "tasks": a collection of packages for a system to perform a specific task (e.g. desktop environment, web server). Ask me about <standard task>, <server tasks> and <laptop task>. https://wiki.debian.org/tasksel |
| 19:28.51 | jim | would tasksel not have DEs that are not on dvd 1? |
| 19:29.12 | jennie | yes, worked network-manager |
| 19:29.29 | jennie | oh its asking for cdrom to insert in |
| 19:29.49 | sney | jennie: you still need to fix sources.list, I thought you saw the message from dpkg above. here it is again. |
| 19:29.52 | sney | !buster sources.list |
| 19:29.53 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Buster" has the lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates main", and optionally "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster-updates main". See <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <buster/updates> <buster-updates> and "man sources.list". |
| 19:30.00 | jim | hit enter if the usb is plugged in |
| 19:30.14 | sney | jennie: ^ make sure your sources.list has these lines, and you can comment or remove the cdrom now, since you have a network connection. |
| 19:31.26 | jennie | yes, thanks sney, jim hitting enter after inserting cdrom is still asking for cdrom, i am chaging sourcles |
| 19:31.52 | jim | also comment out line 5 |
| 19:33.17 | jackal | hello, i have this weird question - can you install debian from within already installed distro? sort of like you download an installer, open it and install debian like so, w/o any cd or iso images |
| 19:34.01 | jim | jackal, there's something called deb-bootstrap |
| 19:34.03 | sney | jackal: there is a tool called debootstrap that can do that, for installing in a chroot etc |
| 19:34.09 | sney | !debootstrap |
| 19:34.09 | dpkg | debootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a <chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux system. http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap - https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/amd64/apds03.en.html |
| 19:35.10 | jim | jennie, what DE did you want? |
| 19:36.02 | jackal | i dont think debootstrap is what i need |
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| 19:36.22 | jim | jackal, it does the thing you asked for |
| 19:36.45 | sney | jackal: well, there isn't really a gui installer that will run in an existing OS. |
| 19:37.10 | jim | jackal, basically, it installs the minimal debian by installing packages (hence a "bootstrapping" of debian, wherever you want |
| 19:37.14 | jim | ) |
| 19:38.12 | jackal | jim, i asked if there's an installer i can use to install it from within an os, to replace that os afterwards |
| 19:38.16 | jim | you would need to install deb-bootstrap on the machine you want to put debian on |
| 19:38.19 | jackal | sort like windows, i think |
| 19:38.21 | sney | debootstrap is the tool used by the debian installer, so the resulting system is the same, even if it doesn't have that familiar red-and-blue menu. it's also used by packaging tools like pbuilder. |
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| 19:38.31 | sney | jackal: sorry, nothing like that exists. |
| 19:38.43 | jackal | alrighty, thanks! |
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| 19:40.27 | jim | jackal, one consequence of that, is it's used by packaging tools, and it's used to install debian... which means it HAS TO WORK |
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| 20:03.43 | visionvirus | hi there! |
| 20:04.12 | visionvirus | how to install apt installs with a weak hash? |
| 20:05.11 | visionvirus | Insufficient information available to perform this download securely ^^ |
| 20:05.24 | visionvirus | just wanna make some apt install from an old repo.... |
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| 20:12.18 | sney | visionvirus: I think that would be with Acquire::AllowWeakRepositories=true as documented in apt.conf(5) |
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| 20:19.12 | visionvirus | yes, thanXi remember |
| 20:19.32 | jennie | hi, i have couple questions for learning purposes, sney jim |
| 20:20.43 | sney | jennie: you don't need to highlight specific people, just ask your questions |
| 20:20.59 | sney | different people are here at different times. :) |
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| 20:26.18 | mixxit | hiya i have a real big problem with my network card after updating to kernel 5 |
| 20:27.07 | mixxit | it just says link disconnected i tried to disable r8169 and use r8168-dkms as suggested in various posts but i still have no connectivity |
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| 20:27.39 | mixxit | this is a fresh netinstall of stable updated to unstable |
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| 20:30.42 | sney | mixxit: as you can see from the topic, unstable support is in #debian-next on OFTC (note, right now you are on freenode) - that channel is more capable of debugging pre-release issues. |
| 20:30.57 | mixxit | oh sorry sney i didnt notice, its been a while since ive been in irc! |
| 20:31.00 | mixxit | thanks ill go now :-) |
| 20:31.11 | sney | np. |
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| 21:03.42 | Vatum | kernel 4.19.0-11 and 4.19.0-13 (amd64) breaks lcd backlight ( /sys/class/backlight empty ) on radeon systems (and maybe on others). the last kernel that works is 4.19.0-9 for me |
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| 21:13.51 | Peyam | Hi. is there simple way to unsuscribe from al emails from debian? |
| 21:14.32 | jmcnaught | Peyam: https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/unsubscribe |
| 21:15.04 | Peyam | do I have to select each and one of them? |
| 21:15.06 | Peyam | my god |
| 21:16.06 | jmcnaught | Only the ones you are subscribed to presumably. You can also do it list by list with directions here: https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#subunsub |
| 21:16.33 | Vatum | debian spam confirmed |
| 21:16.34 | Peyam | I gave a email that forwards my email. |
| 21:18.36 | Vatum | can someone remove the broken kernels from the repos? |
| 21:19.19 | Vatum | i cant point to the specific commit, since they are hundreds. but something doesn't work with them. |
| 21:20.27 | Peyam | finally I unsuscribed. So many emails . finally |
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| 21:35.11 | Gigglebyte | Are there any other browsers that are still written for 32-bit besides Chromium and Firefox? The reason I ask is that my laptop died, took it to the shop, and someone gave me a really old HP Pavilion dv4000 that only runs 32-bit. It has Linux Mint running on it, and I just installed Chromium. I can't find a working link for Chrome, but Google discontinued support for 32-bit back in 2017. |
| 21:35.39 | Gigglebyte | Anyone know of an older link to Chrome? And is it reasonably safe? |
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| 21:37.25 | zutat | Gigglebyte: how much ram does the thing have? |
| 21:38.12 | n4dir | Gigglebyte: you could try falkon |
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| 21:49.07 | Gigglebyte | n4dir> I forgot I am running Linux mint. Sorry for the trouble. I only see falcon tool kit in the repos. |
| 21:50.06 | n4dir | falkon replaced qupzilla, iirc, but that is quite a while ago. Ain't that great anyway, so no need to hunt for it for long |
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| 21:50.49 | n4dir | i was and am used to shitty hardware. As far web-browsing is concerned: i sure found no good solution Gigglebyte |
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| 21:52.34 | delpan | when uninstalling cron (with --purge), 'cron.daily' and 'cron.weekly' remain in /etc, any ideas? |
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| 21:54.28 | n4dir | delpan: i vaguley remember "aptitude purge ~c" and as i only remember it vaguely a quick web search gave this: https://raphaelhertzog.com/2011/01/31/debian-cleanup-tip-1-get-rid-of-useless-configuration-files/ |
| 21:54.59 | n4dir | take care with it. If it goes south, i don't wanna be the culprit. Hertzog has quite a reputation, of course |
| 21:54.59 | jhutchins | I doubt if there's any automatic cleanup of those files, lots of things write to them. |
| 21:55.15 | jhutchins | delpan: What is your actual goal? |
| 21:56.53 | delpan | jhutchins: well, to remove cron:D Â i usually remove it (with apt-get --purge, or dpkg --purge) but only just noticed it leaves them 2 dir's behind and they are empty. |
| 21:57.07 | delpan | so wondered if some known dependency of other systool or something |
| 21:57.26 | jmcnaught | delpan: other packages put files in those directories too, so that they can add cron jobs. |
| 21:58.10 | delpan | the postrm script should contain what to remove when uninstalling, correct? or does it use other instructions |
| 21:58.25 | delpan | jmcnaught: i understand but they were empty |
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| 22:02.09 | jmcnaught | delpan: you may have removed the files owned by other packages then. |
| 22:02.55 | jmcnaught | delpan: what does "dpkg -S /etc/cron.weekly" say? Also why delete cron? |
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| 22:05.14 | zabriski | Hey, I broke my xorg, er uh, window manager I guess. I have three monitors and 2 gpus, they're normally all plugged into one and I wanted to see about setting up my center monitor to be on my second gpu for better gaming performance. My google-fu wasn't strong enough to get anything to output to xscreen 1, only 0 would display. After I switched |
| 22:05.14 | zabriski | everything back and it appeared to be working, I saw discover had updates including nvidia drivers. I updated, restarted and now I can't make any window fullscreen on my secondary monitors, only the center, and tiling triggers on the edges of the center monitor instead of the outsides of the secondary ones |
| 22:05.55 | jhutchins | jmcnaught: He left. Removing cron will gain him experience points! |
| 22:06.09 | zabriski | I also can't invoke the alt+space searchbar on anything other than the center monitor |
| 22:06.19 | jhutchins | I wonder if he thinks that's necessary to install an alternative. |
| 22:08.32 | zabriski | it seems like there's a 800x600 xscreen overlapping the upper left corner of the left monitor that I think might be breaking stuff. When I login the kde splash screen displays another smaller instance overlapping on top of the correct resolution one |
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| 22:10.24 | zabriski | what file do I have to reset to default to remove this? I already tried to run nvidia-xconfig and it didn't do anything |
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| 22:14.17 | jmcnaught | zabriski: by default there is no /etc/X11/xorg.conf or files in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ so if these exist you could move them somewhere else for now to get back to Xorg defaults (which autodetects everything when there is no xorg.conf) |
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| 22:22.02 | zabriski | I can't see who messaged to just remove xorg.conf and let it regenerate but that fixed it, thanks for the help. Sorry my google-fu is bad and I gotta ask dumb questions in here, everything I was reading was telling me to run various commands to remake it, which kept keeping the bad setting |
| 22:23.14 | jhutchins | zabriski: X has been around a long time, and there's plenty of documentation on the web that's been obsolete and no longer true. Of course, no dates or versions on the docs. |
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| 22:25.34 | zabriski | also are mouse acceleration settings stored in xorg.conf on debian? after letting it regen it seems like I have the mild acceleration that comes default again |
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| 22:26.51 | jhutchins | zabriski: I've only ever used the GUI settings menu for that. |
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| 22:43.51 | robobox | for all you know you could be getting docs for X11R5 |
| 22:44.38 | zabriski | jhutchins: if you ever need to know for some reason I dug through my notes and it's /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/50-mouse-acceleration.conf that handles mouse accel, you have to make the file yourself and put in the settings for raw input to truly disable acceleration |
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| 23:59.50 | Waxhead | Howdy, is the old debian.org website still accessible somehow? |
