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| 01:50.16 | relipse | I read an article about how a dating site got hacked and leaked a ton of users' information? What steps do I need to take on my site to prevent that from happening? I throttle the user logins right now |
| 01:50.50 | hop | relipse: oh boyâ¦Â how much time do you have? |
| 01:51.02 | foxide | relipse: https://owasp.org/www-project-top-ten/ |
| 01:51.03 | foxide | Start there. |
| 01:53.01 | foxide | relipse: But that is definitely not something that can be explained in any reasonable amount of time or effort here. |
| 01:53.10 | hop | yeah, that's a couple man years right there |
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| 01:53.23 | foxide | That's a full career. :P |
| 01:57.01 | beelzebuzz | relipse: ##security |
| 01:57.17 | foxide | Ehh. I find that channel to be a useless cesspool most of the time. |
| 01:57.24 | relipse | I read it, now what |
| 01:57.46 | hop | hire a lawyer |
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| 01:58.13 | relipse | ... |
| 01:58.16 | foxide | relipse: The intent of that is to understand the common mistakes made when developing web applications. "Now what" is that you need to go make sure that you haven't made any of those mistakes. That's a starting point. |
| 01:58.46 | sney | make it as hard as possible for anyone who is not you to get root on the server. lock down management access to authorized hosts/subnets only, ensure database inputs are sanitized, etc |
| 01:59.01 | foxide | sney: 99.9% of what you just said is contained in "etc" |
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| 02:00.59 | hop | ^^ |
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| 02:01.05 | hop | the internet. isn't it fun? |
| 02:01.32 | foxide | That's tantamount to someone asking "what math do I need to know to understand quantum mechanics?" and you answer with "addition, etc." |
| 02:01.37 | sney | well, it's relipse's job to expand on the 'etc', but the first 2 are a good place to start. particularly for small time single host websites, where it's not like you're likely to get the same kind of attention as a popular dating site |
| 02:03.10 | foxide | relipse: Here's an introduction to securing the server itself: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-manual/index.en.html |
| 02:03.30 | foxide | And then you get into the web application, which is a whole different sphere. |
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| 02:08.27 | k` | hey guys any idea what's causing this? https://itsosticky.com/m223jq |
| 02:08.32 | k` | missing /etc/machine-id? |
| 02:08.43 | k` | i just cloned my disk using parted magic -- migrating over from SATA to NVME |
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| 02:20.35 | jmcnaught | k`: I would probably boot from a live USB and check if the /etc/machine-id file exists. Is /etc being mounted read-only? |
| 02:20.59 | k` | i just ran systemd-machine-id-setup |
| 02:21.01 | k` | and seemed to fix it |
| 02:21.10 | k` | all im getting now is the firmware error |
| 02:22.27 | k` | i just did sudo dmesg | grep error and came up with 2 errors |
| 02:22.33 | k` | [ 2.507839] EXT4-fs (nvme0n1p2): re-mounted. Opts: errors=remount-ro |
| 02:22.39 | k` | [ 3.005606] i915 0000:00:02.0: Direct firmware load for i915/skl_dmc_ver1_27.bin failed with error -2 |
| 02:23.03 | hop | one is not an error |
| 02:23.10 | k` | okay, cool! |
| 02:23.13 | sney | the first one is not an error, the second is about gpu firmware and probably unrelated |
| 02:23.29 | k` | hmm gpu firmware... i'm running iGPU off a 6500T |
| 02:23.55 | k` | looking at my sources.list now |
| 02:24.09 | sney | !i915 firmware |
| 02:24.09 | dpkg | Some Intel UHD GPUs made after 2015 require firmware from userspace for all features to be enabled. This includes Skylake, Kabylake, Broxton, Cannonlake and possibly others. Ask me about <non-free sources> and install firmware-misc-nonfree to provide. |
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| 02:24.23 | k` | hmm interesting! |
| 02:24.32 | k` | weird.. i thought i took care of all of this when i set this machine up originally |
| 02:24.33 | k` | like a year ago |
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| 02:25.13 | k` | i've got non-free's listed |
| 02:25.16 | k` | should i run apt-get install firmware-misc-nonfree ? |
| 02:25.23 | sney | that's what the bot said |
| 02:25.44 | sney | though, sometimes you still get missing firmware warnings even if the driver is working fully. iwlwifi on this system warns about a missing blob every boot but wifi works completely. it's up to you to know if your system is working. |
| 02:25.46 | k` | siiick sorry didn't realize |
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| 02:27.43 | k` | boom! clean boot |
| 02:27.44 | k` | thanks guys |
| 02:28.20 | T-zef | hi! anyone who know from debian how to make a Lan at home with two machins on AssaultCube game ? |
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| 02:34.54 | jmcnaught | T-zef: it looks like you need to run assaultcube-server(6) on one computer. |
| 02:35.26 | T-zef | jmcnaught, yes I do |
| 02:37.01 | T-zef | my both machins laptop/wifi and desktop/RJ45 are connected on that : https://debian-facile.org/images/file-R53b874da1d4407bfd819e34bc357145f |
| 02:37.24 | T-zef | never in my life i made a LAN, it's new for me |
| 02:39.04 | T-zef | i have seen that : https://askubuntu.com/questions/224500/how-to-create-assault-cube-lan-server |
| 02:39.27 | T-zef | but still description is not enough i guess |
| 02:40.22 | T-zef | even for other games, i cannot see much details on the web about how to make a LAN on Debian... |
| 02:40.52 | T-zef | i guess it's something so easy that there is no much need of descriptions. |
| 02:41.22 | T-zef | or i donno how to search, hehe |
| 02:41.59 | jmcnaught | Did you try running assaultcube-server and then running assaultcube and going to the multiplayer menu? |
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| 02:46.23 | T-zef | jmcnaught, yes i will show you |
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| 02:50.57 | T-zef | https://debian-facile.org/images/file-Rfd5f2f8830b8820acac7e03543f5be10 jmcnaught, first i start assaultcube-server then in another terminal " assaultcube " |
| 02:51.02 | T-zef | then |
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| 02:52.12 | jmcnaught | T-zef: I just tried it. It took a minute or two before my server showed up in the LAN server browser (which bizarrely wanted to connect to a global server browser). |
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| 02:52.36 | T-zef | https://pix.toile-libre.org/upload/original/1611544052.png |
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| 02:53.29 | jmcnaught | T-zef: "Join a LAN server" |
| 02:53.30 | T-zef | is it jmcnaught, please can you describe me how do you proceed? |
| 02:53.40 | T-zef | ok |
| 02:54.56 | T-zef | yes jmcnaught, i see my IP, for me it is fast |
| 02:55.37 | T-zef | it is showing zero player |
| 02:56.04 | jmcnaught | Have you connected to it yet? |
| 02:56.10 | T-zef | no |
| 02:56.20 | jmcnaught | Has anyone else connected to it yet? |
| 02:56.54 | T-zef | yes i have to connect to it |
| 02:57.01 | T-zef | but the problem is |
| 02:57.12 | T-zef | the other machin |
| 02:57.38 | T-zef | the other machin will see that IP but will connect alone on another map |
| 02:57.46 | T-zef | so we can't play together |
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| 02:58.33 | jmcnaught | Oh, that sucks. It looks like AssaultCube has an IRC channel on Quakenet: https://assault.cubers.net/irc.html |
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| 02:59.31 | T-zef | yes the IRC is dead |
| 02:59.39 | T-zef | i am on it right now |
| 03:00.17 | jmcnaught | Maybe you will find an answer in "man assaultcube-server" |
| 03:00.44 | T-zef | there are some video tuto on YT but it's all for Windows....... |
| 03:01.44 | T-zef | yes I have read that one "man assaultcube-server" |
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| 03:11.50 | T-zef | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:11.56 | T-zef | on the spot |
| 03:12.40 | T-zef | hey now I remember I have seen that issue somewhere I have to find it back |
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| 03:14.13 | T-zef | like here but not sure that the same issue : https://github.com/assaultcube/AC/issues/156 |
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| 03:22.00 | T-zef | ohhhhhhh..... now I know... you will hit me if I tell you why... |
| 03:22.45 | dvs | gets the gloves |
| 03:24.25 | T-zef | desktop is on buster and laptop"host" is on sid... both versions are different... it say like that on the buster screen... |
| 03:24.42 | T-zef | fear for himself now..... |
| 03:25.08 | T-zef | please don't rude with the stick |
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| 03:26.43 | T-zef | i guess i must get the both same versions |
| 03:27.10 | T-zef | i will try and let you know |
| 03:27.16 | jmcnaught | Good luck |
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| 03:28.17 | SOLIDSEC | Hallo good people. How to sync OpenNTPD? ntpctl -s all: 5/5 peers vaild, clock unsynced, clock offset is 07221.185ms |
| 03:28.43 | SOLIDSEC | I exchanged ntp for openntp |
| 03:29.11 | T-zef | jmcnaught thanks |
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| 03:34.23 | k` | guys.. i cloned my 256gb ssd to a 500gb nvme -- now i'm trying to resize it so it sees the full 500gb |
| 03:34.28 | k` | i deleted my swap partition with fdisk |
| 03:34.44 | k` | then i ran partprobe /dev/nvme0n1 |
| 03:34.53 | k` | and when i try to run resize2fs /dev/nvme0n1p2 |
| 03:34.58 | k` | it says nothing to do blocks already x long |
| 03:35.06 | k` | even though fdisk -l lists the partition at 222G still |
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| 03:48.23 | hop | k`: have you actually resized the partition? |
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| 04:03.31 | k` | hop: i guess not... i thought running resize2fs /dev/nvme0n1p2 would have done that |
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| 04:03.50 | hop | k`: that would resize the filesystem. different thing |
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| 04:06.44 | k` | ahhhh |
| 04:07.26 | k` | can i resize without having to format and stuff? |
| 04:07.36 | hop | o.o? |
| 04:07.47 | hop | formatting is still another thing |
| 04:07.54 | k` | ahh yeah gotcha |
| 04:07.55 | hop | and define "and stuff" please |
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| 04:08.22 | k` | how does this sound |
| 04:08.23 | k` | parted -a optimal /dev/nvme0n1 |
| 04:08.33 | k` | resizepart 2 |
| 04:08.42 | k` | does that sound like correct method? |
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| 04:11.39 | hop | i don't use parted, so i'm not sure that would even be accepted |
| 04:11.57 | hop | but sure. resize the partition, then resize the filesystem |
| 04:15.24 | k` | okay ran it |
| 04:15.32 | k` | then i ran the partprobe and the resize2fs |
| 04:15.34 | k` | and it outputted |
| 04:15.40 | k` | root@m900:/home/k# sudo resize2fs /dev/nvme0n1p2 |
| 04:15.41 | k` | resize2fs 1.44.5 (15-Dec-2018) |
| 04:15.41 | k` | Filesystem at /dev/nvme0n1p2 is mounted on /; on-line resizing required |
| 04:15.42 | k` | old_desc_blocks = 28, new_desc_blocks = 59 |
| 04:15.44 | k` | The filesystem on /dev/nvme0n1p2 is now 121938984 (4k) blocks long. |
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| 04:15.52 | k` | ugh sorry |
| 04:15.54 | hop | bye bye |
| 04:15.59 | k` | did you see what it said though? |
| 04:16.08 | k` | old_desc_blocks = 28, new_desc_blocks = 59 |
| 04:16.12 | k` | The filesystem on /dev/nvme0n1p2 is now 121938984 (4k) blocks long. |
| 04:16.14 | hop | so? |
| 04:16.25 | k` | just running this by you bc i've gotten pretty spotty advice on #linux |
| 04:16.29 | k` | now when i run fdisk -l |
| 04:16.42 | k` | ./dev/nvme0n1p2 1050624 976562500 975511877 465.2G Linux filesystem |
| 04:16.48 | k` | it's not teh full 500GB |
| 04:16.59 | k` | does 465 make sense? maybe its by diff blocks or whatever |
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| 04:19.22 | hop | probably the 500 are not calculated in 2**x |
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| 04:20.04 | k` | okay, cool, so by your account this looks correct |
| 04:20.26 | hop | sure, but i'm drunk and tired, so who gives a toss⦠|
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| 05:15.35 | fuxxy | I'm using a systemd unit file to have a service user authenticate to kerberos before starting the service. However, it appears that the kinit unit is being ran and the realm server isnt available, or the unit is being ran before the network connection is up. Are there any checks I can include in the service file so krb5 auth isnt attempted if the realm is not available? |
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| 05:26.40 | idlestranger | fuxxy remember that you can use options like Wants= Before= and After. eg if you have a systemd unit to refresh a kerebros ticket chances are you'll want to have Wants=network-online.target and After=network-online.target in the unit section somewhere after the unit description |
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| 05:52.11 | mnt_grrrl | what torrent tracker does debian use? |
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| 06:01.28 | fuxxy | bttracker.debian.org:6969/announce |
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| 06:05.12 | fuxxy | idlestranger, I already have that in the [Unit] section. Also, in the [Install] section, I have "WantedBy=multi-user.target". I wonder if the stage multi-user.target is before the kerberos stuff is active. |
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| 06:11.13 | T-zef | jmcnaught i got it working ! |
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| 06:11.36 | idlestranger | multi-user.target is essentially runlevel 3 in the systemV world. it denoates having setup a non gfx multi-user shell. whereas say graphical.target (runlevel 15) is having set up a graphical user shell. if you're running the system without a de you should be using multi-user.target for services you want to run at start-up. if you're using a DE on the machine and you want the service to start after |
| 06:11.42 | idlestranger | the DE has started, then you use graphical.target |
| 06:12.11 | T-zef | both assaultcube was needed to run on same version 1.2 |
| 06:12.35 | T-zef | 1.1 vs 1.2 not good |
| 06:13.22 | fuxxy | idlestranger, thanks for that. All seems legit then - I'm running a headless install, so runlevel 3 is accurate. |
| 06:15.13 | idlestranger | yep |
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| 06:16.12 | fuxxy | I'm authenticating to ActiveDirectory DC, There's a chance that in the bootup race between this machine and Windows server, this machine is winning. After boot, all I need to do is log in via SSH and restart the service issuing kinit for the user, and it always completes successfully. |
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| 06:17.39 | idlestranger | hmm |
| 06:19.32 | idlestranger | i know i did something similar for a mysql server awhile back but i can't remember what i did to solve it. might take some google-fu. |
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| 06:25.48 | idlestranger | i assume systemctl status yourkerberosservice name doesn't show errors when it wins the race? |
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| 06:30.06 | idlestranger | fuxxy try ExecStartPre=/bin/sh -c 'until ping -c1 windowsDC; do sleep 1; done;' |
| 06:30.48 | idlestranger | obviously replacing windowsDC with the appropriate hostname or staticip |
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| 06:35.04 | idlestranger | if you need a larger window after your DC starts responding to network, you should be able to just increase the duration of sleep at the end of the ExecStartPre line |
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| 06:49.28 | fuxxy | idlestranger, I don't think it's ever won the race. I haven't attempted to reboot just the debian VM yet |
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| 06:50.11 | fuxxy | I suppose I could try it now - I'm not involved in anything yet |
| 06:52.15 | fuxxy | Rebooted *just* the debian VM, and both of my service user's kinit's are failed |
| 06:52.34 | fuxxy | I guess that rules out that theory |
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| 07:27.49 | hanasaki | where in the exim debian config do you make TLS only an option ? 1.3 |
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| 08:53.41 | jelly | hanasaki, I have no idea about exim, but there will probably be separate settings for TLS for server (incoming), and TLS for client (outgoing) connections |
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| 09:01.00 | LiquidS | Hello World :) Small issue has arisen on my Debian 10 laptop with full disk encryption: I apt-update && apt-upgraded last night and now I can no longer decrypt my drive on boot. Error message reads: "libgcc_s.so.1 must be installed for pthread_cancel to work" How can I decrypt this drive so I can boot again ? Or how to downgrade libgcc ? |
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| 09:02.57 | jelly | LiquidS, can you boot properly using an older kernel? |
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| 09:11.39 | jack2019 | bash: fdisk: command not found, apt install fdisk: already the newest... |
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| 09:13.52 | jmcnaught | jack2019: did you maybe become root with "su"? |
| 09:14.07 | LiquidS | jelly, yes, 4.19.0.12 still works |
| 09:14.12 | Onyx47 | jack2019: fdisk is not in PATH for a regular user, use sudo or log in as root |
| 09:14.46 | jack2019 | I am as root |
| 09:15.35 | avu | !buster su |
| 09:15.35 | dpkg | In buster, su no longer overrides PATH by default, requiring that you use "su -" or "su -l" for login shells (which is not really a new thing at all...). See https://wiki.debian.org/NewInBuster#Changes for details. |
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| 09:20.05 | jack2019 | dpkg, you are correct, export PATH=$PATH:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/bin is the correct way to add the path? |
| 09:20.05 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
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| 09:21.16 | jmcnaught | jack2019: if you have been using "su" then just start using "su -l" and you will have the correct root PATH. |
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| 09:25.32 | ratrace | ohlol I just realized.... after all this time.... that dpkg _resembles_, not _resents_, that remark...... awesomebot. |
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| 09:26.34 | jack2019 | JmaJeremy, thank you |
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| 09:27.34 | ratrace | in the good old days of text adventures, the good ones had all kinds of responses for invalid input. Should add more of that to bash. "Omg, the prompt is giving me attitude!" |
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| 09:28.08 | jelly | LiquidS, good, do an apt-get dist-upgrade as well, they try to rebuild initramfs for the latest kernel |
| 09:28.15 | ratrace | afaik only sudo can do that, but you need to rebuild it "with insults" |
| 09:29.04 | jelly | were those disabled recently? |
| 09:29.30 | ratrace | they're still in sudo. just sudo on debian ain't built with them enabled. |
| 09:29.59 | jelly | since when |
| 09:30.24 | ratrace | dunno, since always? |
| 09:30.54 | jelly | not always. sudo used to insult me. |
| 09:31.15 | jelly | I guess I haven't mistyped the password in a while |
| 09:31.19 | ratrace | heh |
| 09:32.09 | ratrace | too bad that can't be a configuration option, but a compile time one. esp. since the "non-PC / racist" ones can be _separated_ as well, so only the CoC-friendly insults can remain |
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| 09:32.19 | jolt | Just add "Defaults insults" to sudoers file |
| 09:33.07 | ratrace | HOLY COW! |
| 09:33.20 | ratrace | why..... wth.... all this time I thought it was compiled OUT |
| 09:33.22 | jelly | !jolt++ |
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| 09:34.26 | jolt | I must add this to my default deploy playbook, forgotten how awesome and confused people get :D |
| 09:34.37 | ratrace | jolt: you sir or madam, win a thousand internets this semi-fine, cloudy with a chance of snow, monday morning!!! |
| 09:35.13 | jolt | á(ââ¸â¼â¶)á |
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| 09:36.03 | ratrace | well I see what happened. I've had to enable compile-time options on FreeBSD and Gentoo and somehow I thought that was it and I never bothred to look deeper into the code.... |
| 09:36.26 | ratrace | ass umptions......... |
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| 09:36.59 | ratrace | ahhhh. sudo is finally calling me burrito brains again. mmmmmmh. |
| 09:37.09 | jelly | this isn't your source-based distro/os |
| 09:38.27 | ratrace | jelly: indeed I've been poisoned by the paradigms of source based distros too much, and I should start looking deeper into debian/rules every time there's an ass umption again |
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| 09:39.02 | ratrace | https://sources.debian.org/src/sudo/1.9.5p1-1/debian/rules/#L38 |
| 09:40.33 | jolt | That's one of the best options ever |
| 09:40.43 | yogoyo | --with-all-insults? |
| 09:41.10 | jolt | Yeah |
| 09:41.16 | jolt | It's just beautiful |
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| 09:42.16 | ratrace | I wish more cli code had things like that. maybe not specifically insults, but attitude. |
| 09:42.38 | ratrace | bash: asdf: command not found is so ........ bland and tasteless. |
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| 09:43.24 | yogoyo | ubuntu had a tool for this with a similar name |
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| 09:43.53 | yogoyo | "do you mean this or are you missing a package" |
| 09:44.22 | ratrace | ah, that's not attitude, that's actually a nice tool that finds packages for missing commands. like an interactive apt-file thingy something |
| 09:44.32 | yogoyo | yup |
| 09:44.36 | ratrace | %s/interactive/automatic/ |
| 09:44.36 | jelly | ,i command-not-found |
| 09:44.51 | ratrace | judd's still MIA ...... :( |
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| 09:45.13 | jelly | ,i command-not-found |
| 09:45.16 | judd | Package command-not-found (admin, optional) in buster/amd64: Suggest installation of packages in interactive bash sessions. Version: 18.04.5-1; Size: 24.9k; Installed: 103k |
| 09:45.46 | jelly | I have no idea why it disconnects from freenode so often |
| 09:46.14 | jelly | I do have an idea why it does not rejoin #debian afterwards |
| 09:47.16 | idlestranger | I agree, prompts need more sass. |
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| 09:49.44 | rendar | how can i query apt get to see what is the newest available postgres version i can install in my system? |
| 09:50.34 | setpill | How do I install apt-cacher-ng noninteractively? Writing a Dockerfile with a line `DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive apt-get install -y --no-install-recommends apt-cacher-ng` but it keeps interactively asking for a yes/no answer, blocking the build. |
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| 09:52.53 | azeem | rendar: in general, apt.postgresql.org provides all currently upstream supported postgresql versions for Debian |
| 09:52.58 | jelly | rendar, apt-cache policy postgresql ? |
| 09:53.59 | jelly | setpill, perhaps you need preseed some or all the answers |
| 09:54.12 | rendar | azeem: problem is that 'armfh' is not available there |
| 09:54.15 | LiquidS | jelly, I will try what you suggest. First part should pose no problems, and for the second part I will have to use Google-fu :) |
| 09:54.20 | setpill | jelly: how do I do that? |
| 09:54.27 | jelly | rendar, "armhf" is a better spelling to try |
| 09:54.29 | azeem | rendar: then what jelly said |
| 09:54.33 | rendar | yep sorry |
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| 09:54.37 | rendar | ok |
| 09:55.13 | rendar | i get this https://bpa.st/3TBJ4 -- so it's 13? |
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| 09:55.25 | jelly | LiquidS, update-initramfs is the command to use |
| 09:55.47 | LiquidS | jelly, roger that ! Thank you very much, o wise one :) |
| 09:55.50 | azeem | rendar: those are not armhf |
| 09:55.58 | rendar | sorry, wait |
| 09:56.22 | jelly | rendar, you don't seem to have armhf enabled as foreign arch at all? |
| 09:56.34 | rendar | i'm booting into raspberry, wait |
| 09:57.03 | rendar | i correctly get this https://bpa.st/VH3B2 |
| 09:57.06 | jelly | rendar, if you're running raspbian, ask in #raspbian or #raspberrypi -- their "armhf" is different from Debian's "armhf" |
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| 09:57.36 | rendar | :( |
| 09:57.42 | azeem | rendar: sounds legit |
| 09:58.11 | rendar | azeem: ok, so the 11 version is the pg version i'd get with `sudo apt-get install postgresql` without specifying postgresql-NN, right? |
| 09:58.53 | jelly | rendar, also look at "apt-cache show postgresql" and see which package it Depends on, and look at it apt-cache show ... as well |
| 09:59.11 | azeem | rendar: that's the only one anyway |
| 09:59.20 | rendar | good |
| 09:59.32 | rendar | now i have to extrapolate the exact string "11" from that output |
| 09:59.33 | jelly | but yes, in general the metapackage version will correspond to upstream version |
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| 10:00.44 | jelly | rendar, note that it's not "postgresql" that brings the actual server, it just pulls in the right version of other, real server packages via dependencies |
| 10:01.17 | rendar | jelly: yeah, but that will happen with `sudo apt-get install postgresql` automatically, i guess - right? |
| 10:01.32 | jelly | that's the idea |
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| 10:01.39 | rendar | now i have $1M question |
| 10:01.57 | jelly | but if you're look for actual version, you want to look at the package that really ships the server |
| 10:02.18 | rendar | yeah, how to do that? |
| 10:02.20 | jelly | rendar, so... WHY are you looking for the version? |
| 10:02.30 | jelly | I just told you how. |
| 10:02.48 | rendar | wait |
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| 10:03.03 | rendar | one thing once, first of all i have this question: |
| 10:03.32 | rendar | this is the standard way to install a custom version of postgresql according to the pg website: https://bpa.st/ZE4WI |
| 10:03.36 | rendar | (script is mine) |
| 10:03.48 | jelly | setpill, https://wiki.debian.org/PackageManagement/Preseed |
| 10:04.04 | setpill | Thanks, will read |
| 10:04.15 | rendar | now, how can i determine that way of installing pg FAILED because armhf doesn't exist in that repository? and so i can try the normal `sudo apt-get install postgres` ? |
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| 10:08.13 | jelly | rendar, what way of installing |
| 10:08.56 | rendar | it seems that installing `postgres-11` works in raspberry |
| 10:08.58 | jelly | apt-cache only shows information about repo and local state |
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| 10:09.47 | jelly | rendar, noone suggested installing postgresql-number explicitely |
| 10:10.02 | rendar | i know, but my installing script does that for several reasons |
| 10:12.32 | rendar | so, since my script is version-based, i need some procedure to get the minimum available version of postgres i can install, so if my script wants to install postgresql-12, it checks that 11 is the minimum available on armhf, and installs postgresql-11 |
| 10:13.19 | azeem | then do that |
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| 10:17.17 | rendar | how? what is the best method to check postgres minimum version? grepping "11" from `apt-cache policy postgresql` ? |
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| 10:26.15 | azeem | rendar: it's not our problem, on a regular debian system, just "apt install postgresql" and be done |
| 10:27.14 | ratrace | besides..... "wants 12, checks for 11, and installs 11" sounds like an XY problem. |
| 10:27.33 | rendar | it's now your problem, but those are your tools.. it's like asking a question about MongoDB in #mongodb, my very custom problem hardly is a problem acountered by MongoDB authors, but they will try to answer for a solution |
| 10:27.38 | rendar | not* |
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| 10:29.32 | ratrace | rendar: anyhoo, to check for available versions of a software given the currently enabled repos, one uses apt-cache policy <package> |
| 10:29.52 | rendar | yeah |
| 10:30.10 | rendar | i'm using `apt-cache policy postgresql|awk '/Candidate:/ { split($2, version, "+"); print version[1] }'` for now |
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| 10:30.44 | azeem | great |
| 10:30.56 | ratrace | uhm.... isn't that Candidate the _latest_ version available? |
| 10:31.13 | ratrace | you said you wanted the opposite |
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| 10:32.14 | ratrace | so yeah, this now reeks of an XY problem. and really, I don't understand the logic. scripts wants version X, so you install X-1 .... why doesn't it want X-1 then.... |
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| 10:50.15 | rendar | how to get rid of those notifies from apt-get? https://bpa.st/3GQKI |
| 10:51.24 | azeem | remove the repos from sources.list |
| 10:51.49 | azeem | or ignore them |
| 10:51.59 | rendar | or remove the files if they are indo .d directories, right? |
| 10:52.07 | azeem | 11:51 < azeem> remove the repos from sources.list |
| 10:52.16 | rendar | ok |
| 10:52.20 | azeem | I assumed you are familiar with the .d stuff |
| 10:52.26 | rendar | yep, thanks |
| 10:53.31 | yogoyo | ,v ruby |
| 10:53.32 | judd | Package: ruby on amd64 -- jessie: 1:2.1.5+deb8u2; stretch: 1:2.3.3; buster: 1:2.5.1; bullseye: 1:2.7+2; sid: 1:2.7+2; experimental: 1:2.7.2~exp1 |
| 10:54.03 | yogoyo | ,v -t backports ruby |
| 10:54.04 | judd | No package named '-t' was found in amd64. |
| 10:54.47 | jelly | if there was a version in backports it would have been listed with ,v |
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| 10:59.47 | yogoyo | the local version ($HOME) finally behaves |
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| 11:19.11 | noisemaker | "df -h" tell me that / is full, but "du -sh /" doesn't show me directories with relevant usage size. Reboot? |
| 11:20.18 | azeem | du -sh just shows summary information |
| 11:20.35 | azeem | maybe use du --max-depth=1 | sort -n |
| 11:20.40 | azeem | and then drill down |
| 11:22.11 | noisemaker | azeem: that command show me the same size for dirs at / |
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| 11:23.23 | azeem | every dir has the same size? |
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| 11:33.23 | ratrace | and instead of drilling down with du, use ncdu |
| 11:37.42 | jelly | noisemaker, or du -x / | sort -n | tail -n30 |
| 11:37.55 | jelly | and don't forget -x for du next time |
| 11:38.29 | jelly | and run du as root |
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| 11:50.20 | noisemaker | jelly: what should appear? |
| 11:50.23 | noisemaker | azeem: yes |
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| 12:10.10 | NeoCron | mabye a dumb question, but I have a problem with a manually installed .deb from vagrantup.com, when I try to run apt update && apt full-upgrade it trys to install all dependencies of the official vagrant package from debian stable and downgrade the installed vagrant to the one from the official repository |
| 12:10.39 | NeoCron | never had this problem when installing external software, but I guess it was always packages not to be found in the official repositories |
| 12:11.10 | NeoCron | what can I do to resolve this? Can I somehow tell apt to ignore the vagrant package and it dependencies when updating? |
| 12:11.11 | Mister00X | NeoCron: are you on testing or unstable |
| 12:11.19 | NeoCron | stable |
| 12:11.49 | Mister00X | NeoCron: in that case use apt upgrade not apt full-upgrade because full-upgrade is able to remove packages |
| 12:12.15 | NeoCron | but doesnt it hold back packages that would otherwise be updated? |
| 12:12.46 | Mister00X | it holds packages back that would cause removal of other packages |
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| 12:13.31 | NeoCron | hm |
| 12:13.39 | NeoCron | same problem |
| 12:13.54 | Mister00X | it wants to remove packages? |
| 12:14.07 | NeoCron | downgrade and install dependencies |
| 12:14.24 | Mister00X | hmmm this is indeed strange |
| 12:14.39 | NeoCron | https://pastebin.com/qSzpbJPW |
| 12:14.49 | NeoCron | german system, but I hope you get the gist of it |
| 12:15.03 | wsky | LANG=C |
| 12:15.38 | NeoCron | wsky https://pastebin.com/j09YLq6J |
| 12:15.44 | NeoCron | thanks I learned something new := |
| 12:15.46 | NeoCron | :) |
| 12:15.50 | Mister00X | NeoCron: Im german so no problem but as wsky said but LANG=C befor it |
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| 12:16.16 | NeoCron | exact same output for apt upgrade and full-upgrade |
| 12:16.31 | wsky | so what's wrong about it? |
| 12:16.43 | wsky | ah you get a downgrade |
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| 12:16.58 | NeoCron | I want neither the downgrade not the dependencies |
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| 12:17.11 | NeoCron | all dependencies are int /opt/vagrant already |
| 12:17.21 | wsky | and what debian release yo ugot?> |
| 12:17.34 | NeoCron | I just wants to replace the manually installed .dep with the official one from the repository |
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| 12:17.47 | NeoCron | 10.7 |
| 12:17.50 | wsky | then dpkg -r it |
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| 12:18.13 | wsky | and install again |
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| 12:18.27 | NeoCron | every time I want to update my system? |
| 12:18.34 | wsky | no, just once |
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| 12:18.58 | wsky | but you will be limited to the release from the repositories |
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| 12:19.39 | NeoCron | no I need the newer version from the .dep file, not the official one from the repository |
| 12:19.49 | wsky | don't do that |
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| 12:19.58 | NeoCron | crazy thing is, the .dep does not have dependencies |
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| 12:20.15 | NeoCron | so I would just need to ignore a single package |
| 12:20.24 | NeoCron | wsky why not? |
| 12:20.26 | wsky | you still will need dependencies |
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| 12:20.45 | wsky | how did you check whther it has deps or not? |
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| 12:20.46 | NeoCron | it has all dependencies in /opt |
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| 12:21.22 | wsky | so what is the issue again? |
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| 12:21.40 | NeoCron | the downgrade on updating the system |
| 12:22.11 | Mister00X | NeoCron: could you please paste the output of apt policy vagrant |
| 12:22.15 | wsky | so what happens is one of the packages in your system is requiring the vagrant package |
| 12:22.54 | NeoCron | well, no, the package itself |
| 12:22.55 | wsky | and when you install the custom vagrant package the system has no way to know it's already installed |
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| 12:23.33 | wsky | that's why you're getting the downgrade |
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| 12:23.49 | NeoCron | Mister00X https://pastebin.com/qGiY9rnP |
| 12:24.21 | wsky | and there is no way around it bsides perhaps chroot or perhaps custom build in /usr/local |
| 12:24.32 | wsky | or a vm |
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| 12:25.08 | wsky | let me correct myself, the version you installed is too recent for your system so it has to be downgraded because of incompatibility |
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| 12:26.30 | NeoCron | I feel stupid, but I still dont get it :( - the only problem is, that apt knows about the package? because all it does it put stuff in /opt and symlink to /usr/bin |
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| 12:27.21 | NeoCron | could I use dpkg-deb to extract it, rename the package to something else and install it again to prevent this? |
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| 12:27.34 | ksk | NeoCron: a "program" is not self-contained, it has depenencies against the rest of the linux system (aka libraries) |
| 12:27.35 | NeoCron | seems like the only issue is, that there is an official package with the same name |
| 12:27.45 | wsky | my advice is - don't install packages that make your system a frankendebian because you will run into issues like this |
| 12:27.54 | ksk | !frankendebian |
| 12:27.54 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. Ask me about <reinstall> |
| 12:28.10 | wsky | if you like doing stuff like this use gentoo instead |
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| 12:29.04 | NeoCron | ksk but shouldnt the .deb contain information about those dependencies? Can we somehow display those? |
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| 12:29.47 | wsky | if that package had dps you will have no way to install it at all |
| 12:29.50 | NeoCron | as far as I can see, it has its own /lib /bin /lib64, etc in /opt |
| 12:30.00 | wsky | because the deps would not be met |
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| 12:30.11 | wsky | listen, what you could do is extract the package |
| 12:30.32 | wsky | and install it to something like /usr/local |
| 12:30.35 | wsky | or /opt |
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| 12:30.47 | wsky | and use it from there manually |
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| 12:31.33 | wsky | but don't install it via dpkg globally |
| 12:32.50 | wsky | ok i'm done here, i have nothing more to say |
| 12:32.54 | NeoCron | so the gist of it is, never install .deb packages with dpkg -i, gdebi, etc, better use ./configure, make, make install? |
| 12:33.02 | ksk | oof. |
| 12:33.27 | ksk | that is totally not what wsky said. |
| 12:34.15 | NeoCron | Seems I dont get it... |
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| 12:35.58 | azeem | NeoCron: did you try putting it on hold |
| 12:36.00 | azeem | !hold |
| 12:36.00 | dpkg | hold is a status flag that tells the package manager to not automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package 'echo $package hold|dpkg --set-selections' or 'aptitude hold $package'. Note that prior to <stretch> "aptitude hold" is ignored by other package managers and aptitude won't necessarily use holds set with dpkg; see Debian bug #137771. See also <hold list>, <unhold>. |
| 12:36.03 | ratrace | did anyone suggest apt-mark hold'ing vagrant? |
| 12:36.10 | azeem | ^5s ratrace |
| 12:36.13 | ratrace | oh hell... ^5 :) |
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| 12:40.46 | jelly | noisemaker, directories taking up most space at the bottom |
| 12:41.27 | jelly | hey, nice to-the-fifth |
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| 12:44.59 | ratrace | oh shi, that remind me, I had a reniced process on the server I need to disengange.... |
| 12:47.15 | noisemaker | jelly: the values don't match the usage % of the disk. |
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| 12:57.10 | azeem | noisemaker: maybe pastebin them somewhere, this is not leading anywhere |
| 12:57.12 | azeem | !pastebin |
| 12:57.13 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: https://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: https://imgbb.com/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): https://filebin.net or https://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <termbin>. |
| 12:59.27 | jelly | also, |
| 12:59.30 | jelly | !list deleted files |
| 12:59.30 | dpkg | well, list deleted files is to list open file handles for deleted files run as root: lsof -n +L1 |
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| 13:00.37 | jelly | noisemaker, files deleted from a directory but still open by one or more unning processes will not be shown in du, but still take space until all the processes die or close the files |
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| 13:02.03 | CrystalMath | and if the system powers off before that happens, they remain orphaned inodes |
| 13:02.15 | CrystalMath | fsck can fix those |
| 13:04.52 | jelly | normal journal replaying cleans those up at mount time, in all modern filesystems |
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| 13:05.04 | jelly | (like, ext3 and newer) |
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| 13:05.58 | Vatum | how can i download only the source package of a debian package? |
| 13:06.11 | jelly | !deb-src |
| 13:06.11 | dpkg | You can have apt download the <source package> from which a <binary package> was compiled using a "deb-src" line in your <sources.list>. A line like "deb-src http://deb.debian.org/debian sid main" does NOT make any binary packages available. Ask me about <source> <package recompile> <ssb>; make sure the "build-essential" package is installed. You might need linux-headers-$(uname -r) package installed. |
| 13:06.41 | jelly | Vatum, make sure those are enabled, then apt-get source packagename |
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| 13:15.13 | Vatum | deb-src http://ftp.gr.debian.org/debian/ buster main contrib non-free |
| 13:15.29 | Vatum | this i presume, i have build-essential installed. |
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| 13:16.22 | noisemaker | jelly: probably is what is appening. How can I check that files? |
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| 13:22.04 | Vatum | jelly, i also want to get a source package from buster-backports, can i use the same line replacing buster with buster-backports? |
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| 13:28.15 | jelly | noisemaker, by using what dpkg, the bot, said about !list deleted files, above |
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| 13:29.08 | jelly | Vatum, you can use the same -t buster-backports syntax, or packagename=version syntax, as with apt-get install |
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| 13:29.43 | jelly | Vatum, but yes you need deb-src enabled for the desired repo |
| 13:29.56 | Vatum | jelly, also is there a way to list all the versions of source packages for a package |
| 13:30.05 | Vatum | i want all source versions of ejabberd |
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| 13:31.18 | jelly | Vatum, they should match the binary package versions. Also, visit tracker.debian.org/ejabberd |
| 13:31.41 | noisemaker | jelly: ty |
| 13:31.54 | Vatum | thanks |
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| 13:32.23 | jelly | noisemaker, also, if unsure, show the info a'zeem asked a while ago |
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| 13:35.24 | noisemaker | jelly: fixed. I just restarted a service. |
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| 13:38.39 | Vatum | i get this error: (it works though) |
| 13:38.40 | Vatum | W: Download is performed unsandboxed as root as file 'ejabberd_18.12.1-2.dsc' couldn't be accessed by user '_apt'. - pkgAcquire::Run (13: Permission denied) |
| 13:38.56 | jelly | that's a Warning not an Error |
| 13:39.14 | jelly | Vatum, you should apt-get source as a normal user. |
| 13:39.14 | Vatum | do i need to run it as normal user? |
| 13:39.19 | Vatum | oh ok |
| 13:39.32 | NeoCron | azeem that worked, no problems now! many thanks =) |
| 13:40.06 | jelly | Vatum, it downloads files in current directory and unpacks the source tree in a subdir |
| 13:41.28 | NeoCron | related question for the future: what would be the best way to use software in debian stable, that is not from the official repositories, without creating trouble with apt or creating frankendebian, etc? |
| 13:41.50 | NeoCron | are .deb-Files generally a no-go? |
| 13:42.33 | Vatum | i see two versions: debian/20.04-1_bpo10+1 and debian/20.04-1 . whats that bpo10+1 a special version? you can see it here in the source code tags: https://salsa.debian.org/ejabberd-packaging-team/ejabberd/-/tags as well as the tracker link you sent me |
| 13:43.33 | azeem | NeoCron: which version of vagrant do you require? |
| 13:43.36 | Vatum | oh seems its the rebuild for backports |
| 13:43.45 | Vatum | the original is unstable |
| 13:43.56 | jelly | ,v ejabberd |
| 13:43.57 | judd | Package: ejabberd on amd64 -- jessie: 14.07-4+deb8u3; stretch: 16.09-4; stretch-backports: 18.12.1-2~bpo9+1; buster: 18.12.1-2; buster-backports: 20.12-1~bpo10+1; bullseye: 20.12-1; sid: 20.12-1 |
| 13:44.05 | Brigo_ | NeoCron, https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
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| 13:44.20 | jelly | Vatum, where did you find 20.04 anything |
| 13:44.39 | Vatum | https://salsa.debian.org/ejabberd-packaging-team/ejabberd/-/tags this is where the git clone points to (when you run apt-get source) |
| 13:44.51 | Vatum | i will just get the git and use the version i want from the tree |
| 13:45.16 | NeoCron | azeem preferably the newest, since the majority is using it on windows with auto updates |
| 13:45.32 | jelly | Vatum, what's your actual goal here? |
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| 13:45.53 | NeoCron | with hold its fine for now, but I wonder what I have been doing wrong all those years |
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| 13:47.13 | azeem | I think that vagrant .deb is just weird |
| 13:47.17 | NeoCron | I used dbeaver the same way I tried with vagrant for about 10 years, give or take |
| 13:47.23 | NeoCron | so that really hit me hard |
| 13:47.50 | azeem | NeoCron: can you pastebin the output of apt policy vagrant? |
| 13:48.28 | NeoCron | azeem https://pastebin.com/sxw1m2hs |
| 13:49.01 | azeem | hrm |
| 13:49.10 | azeem | ,v vagrant |
| 13:49.11 | judd | Package: vagrant on amd64 -- jessie: 1.6.5+dfsg1-2; stretch: 1.9.1+dfsg-1+deb9u2; stretch-backports: 2.0.2+dfsg-3~bpo9+1; buster: 2.2.3+dfsg-1; bullseye: 2.2.9+dfsg-1; sid: 2.2.9+dfsg-1 |
| 13:49.19 | azeem | the unstable package is somewhat behind as well |
| 13:49.59 | NeoCron | I dont think there has been significant development in vagrant since 2018, so even the stable version might be fine |
| 13:50.09 | NeoCron | I just did not think it would create so much trouble |
| 13:50.11 | azeem | NeoCron: anyway, I don't know why apt thinks it should downgrade from 1:2.2.14 to 2.2.3, probably due to the massively higher buster score of 2000 |
| 13:50.34 | azeem | that sounds like you changed something somewhere |
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| 13:51.00 | NeoCron | not to my knowledge |
| 13:51.09 | NeoCron | how can I check it? |
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| 13:51.49 | NeoCron | i tried to read up about apt pinning, in search of a solution for vagrant, but I did not change anythink except putting it on hold with your command |
| 13:52.29 | Vatum | jelly, the goal is to extract the apparmor profile which the debian package includes (but the upstream .deb package i used doesn't), modify it to have the correct file paths for the upstream version and use it |
| 13:52.33 | Vatum | i presume its this: https://salsa.debian.org/ejabberd-packaging-team/ejabberd/-/blob/master/debian/usr.sbin.ejabberdctl |
| 13:52.52 | Vatum | i also want to see the differences of this file between versions, which i can do with git now |
| 13:53.36 | Azrael_- | hi |
| 13:53.57 | azeem | NeoCron: it should be something in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d |
| 13:54.02 | azeem | though no idea what specifically |
| 13:54.50 | freem | how can I use apt to get title and description of a package? |
| 13:55.06 | Azrael_- | i'm running an apache in my lan forwarded by a nat. i want to enable the external access to the apache only on demand. don't want to do in in the nat as this resets all connections. what option beside this can you suggest? my best idea would be to use iptables to block the port from the nat-ip. the apache still has to be online even if the external access is blocked |
| 13:55.17 | freem | ah, apt show, of course. Sorry. |
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| 13:57.13 | jelly | Vatum, then yeah, it's easier to just diff through salsa git than download dozens of deb-src |
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| 13:59.06 | Vatum | jelly, also when i have a .deb package, how can i see where it would install everything? i have two .deb packages (upstream and debian) and put the executable and libraries at different paths |
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| 13:59.18 | Vatum | i want to see those, so i can modify the file to the correct paths |
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| 14:00.18 | NeoCron | azeem https://pastebin.com/5E5MTFWm I guess it is coming from /etc/apt/preferences - my wild guess: its because I have backports enabled? |
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| 14:00.34 | wsky | a pinning |
| 14:00.35 | wsky | right |
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| 14:04.34 | jelly | Vatum, dpkg --contents foo.deb (man dpkg-deb) |
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| 14:22.05 | NeoCron | hm, when I delete /etc/apt/preferences and unhold vagrant its fine |
| 14:22.23 | NeoCron | but it wants to upgrade ca-certificates, dnsutils and tzdata to the versions from backports |
| 14:23.15 | NeoCron | I dont see any reason to install those, but maybe I have some backported package installed that depends on them? Is there a good way to check? |
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| 14:24.50 | jelly | !basic apt troubleshooting |
| 14:24.50 | dpkg | [Basic Apt* Troubleshooting]. To diagnose your problem, we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use https://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 14:24.53 | jelly | NeoCron, ^^ |
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| 14:30.16 | NeoCron | jelly I pasted those in the past hours, but I dont think they are relevant anymore since the problem is already solved and Im just poking at stuff trying to figure out why it went wrong in the first place^^ - the current question would be: how to list all packages installed from backports and their dependencies |
| 14:30.24 | NeoCron | listing backports seems to be dpkg-query -W | grep '~bpo' |
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| 14:31.06 | NeoCron | still working on figuring how to check if one of the 3 packages mentioned are in the list of dependencies of that dpkg-query -W | grep '~bpo' list |
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| 14:32.35 | jelly | NeoCron, "it wants to upgrade" is a new issue worth pasting again |
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| 14:37.05 | NeoCron | jelly https://pastebin.com/2ZBJeunM |
| 14:37.28 | NeoCron | I dont know how to show that those are bpo packages |
| 14:37.33 | greycat | (hint for pastebin.com: replace the final / with /raw/ ) |
| 14:37.34 | NeoCron | I checked with synaptic |
| 14:45.07 | NeoCron | on another note I just realized that I dont need backports at all... everything from backports is from when my system was still Debian 9 - after the upgrade to Debian 10 I could revert them all to stable packages ... guess I'll be rummaging through the garbage I piled up for quite a while |
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| 14:52.21 | jelly | NeoCron, and the rest? "apt-cache policy ca-certificates dnsutils tzdata" and "apt-cache policy" |
| 14:53.53 | NeoCron | https://paste.ee/p/QIZHM |
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| 14:54.47 | NeoCron | https://paste.ee/p/WFt4V |
| 14:56.09 | greycat | Hmm, looks like you need to replace the /p/ with /d/ for this one. |
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| 14:59.33 | jelly | NeoCron, that all seems kosher. You added buster-updates repo, so you're getting newer ca-certificates and tzdata ahead of the point release, but that's not backports. You'd get those in the next point release anyway. dnsutils you got installed from backports at some point in the past, so you get upgrades from the backports repo |
| 15:00.14 | jelly | maybe you needed newer "dig" or something |
| 15:00.32 | NeoCron | actually I did need a newer dig at some time :D |
| 15:01.01 | jelly | !stable-updates |
| 15:01.01 | dpkg | buster-updates is a suite providing updates to some packages (from <proposed-updates>) prior to a <point release>. All packages from buster-updates will be included in point releases. https://wiki.debian.org/StableUpdates . Not to be confused with <buster/updates> which is for <security> updates. |
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| 15:01.48 | NeoCron | didnt even know I had those activated, nor what they are |
| 15:01.49 | jelly | you could comment out or remove buster-backports, then look for |
| 15:01.52 | jelly | !no available |
| 15:01.55 | NeoCron | guess I just set the checkbox on install |
| 15:01.55 | jelly | !not available |
| 15:01.56 | dpkg | To get a list of packages you have installed now, that are not available from any repository in your sources.list: aptitude search '?narrow(?not(?archive("^[^n][^o].*$")),?version(CURRENT))' |
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| 15:02.21 | ratrace | arcane |
| 15:02.31 | jelly | [^n][^o] |
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| 15:04.00 | jelly | stable-updates are in the recommended sources.list these days, that's probably why you enabled those at some point |
| 15:04.04 | jelly | !buster sources.list |
| 15:04.05 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Buster" has the lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates main", and optionally "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster-updates main". See <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <buster/updates> <buster-updates> and "man sources.list". |
| 15:06.18 | NeoCron | I'm getting quite a big list from those "not available" query: https://paste.ee/p/GqKS5 |
| 15:06.35 | NeoCron | https://paste.ee/d/GqKS5 |
| 15:07.22 | jelly | most of those are old libs and stuff that does not exist in debian 10 any more |
| 15:07.29 | jelly | ,v openjdk-8-jdk |
| 15:07.30 | judd | Package: openjdk-8-jdk on amd64 -- stretch-proposed-updates: 8u242-b08-1~deb9u1; stretch: 8u252-b09-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 8u252-b09-1~deb9u1; sid: 8u275-b01-1 |
| 15:08.14 | jelly | and old transitional package, live icedove that got renamed back to thunderbird a while back |
| 15:09.12 | NeoCron | is it fine to leave it like this? Or should those be removed? |
| 15:09.49 | NeoCron | not sure if I still need them, since I have some really old eclipse versions running, I guess I do need them for that |
| 15:09.51 | jelly | investigate whether you really need any of that stuff, and remove |
| 15:10.24 | jelly | if you need java 8, you'll have to add back stretch repos to get secureitypatches |
| 15:11.06 | NeoCron | you can just add old-stable repositories? |
| 15:11.29 | jelly | yes, that creates a lot less problems than adding repos for a newer branch |
| 15:11.59 | jelly | !stretch-lts |
| 15:12.00 | dpkg | Security support for Debian 9 "stretch" from the Debian Security Team ended July 6 2020. The <LTS> team will continue to provide limited security support for some architectures and a subset of packages until June 30 2022 (total 5 year life). See https://wiki.debian.org/LTS for more information |
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| 15:13.11 | jelly | LTS team does rebuild jdk 8 right now, the packages are up-to-date even if our bot doesn't think so |
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| 15:13.17 | NeoCron | wow, that never occurred to me |
| 15:15.15 | jelly | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:15.15 | jelly | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:16.17 | jelly | (LTS team reuses and uploads their stuff to the exact same repo that was managed by Debian Security team before that) |
| 15:17.35 | jelly | but the scope is limited; not all packages are covered, and only some architectures |
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| 15:21.58 | mazet | so i accidentally dd'd an ISO file over a LUKS encrypted volume, so overwriting about 1 gb at the beginning of the disk. is this recoverable or should i foget about it ? |
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| 15:25.19 | H4ndy | If you can restore the partition/files table somehow you may be able to rescue something |
| 15:25.22 | NeoCron | do you have a backup of the LUKS headers mazet? - I dont know much about it, but from what I read those are essential |
| 15:25.34 | H4ndy | but since that is usually stored at the start of the partition I doubt there's much to rescue |
| 15:25.58 | NeoCron | btw doesnt LUKS put a backup of those at the end of the partition, too? |
| 15:26.06 | jelly | mazet, is the encrypted volume still open? |
| 15:26.27 | mazet | NeoCron: i was looking for them, im not sure if i did take a backup of them at the time or if i just cant find them |
| 15:26.38 | mazet | jelly: im pretty sure it was closed at the time of the mishap |
| 15:26.49 | jelly | sounds like you're SOL |
| 15:27.00 | mazet | yeah thats my assumptoin as well |
| 15:27.39 | mazet | its an external drive that had a mix of stuff on it, i cant even completely remember what was there. but i think ill replace it and keep it around in case i think of something sometime, although i guess that i am indeed SOL |
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| 15:29.36 | jelly | well good thing is _noone_ can recover it |
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| 15:35.31 | Elodin | Hi, i have this live system/ssd that I would like to backup in case something were to happen to the disk. So i would buy another disk and restore. Would rsyncing the / dir work or should i dd the disk? |
| 15:35.34 | H4ndy | Ubuntu wiki says that LUKS headers are stored at the start of the partition and it does not make a backup of it, so it's safe to assume your data is gone |
| 15:35.41 | Elodin | whatÅ the proper way of doing so |
| 15:35.48 | ratrace | there are 100 kinds of people in the world. those who understand binary, those who don't, and among them those who have backups, and those who never dd'd their LUKS partitions :) |
| 15:35.58 | CrystalMath | that happened to me once, i lost the password for a LUKS disk |
| 15:36.06 | CrystalMath | right after installing debian |
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| 15:36.20 | CrystalMath | had to install again, as everything was on an encrypted partition |
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| 15:37.03 | ratrace | Elodin: rsyncing / works just fine, that's what I do, but I do it from the btrfs snapshot to ensure atomicity of the copy. |
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| 15:38.26 | Elodin | ratrace: you mean you don't copy while it's running? |
| 15:38.52 | ratrace | I mean I use btrfs, I make snapshots of entire /, then I rsync from that snapshot (which is frozen) |
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| 15:39.11 | Elodin | yeah mine isnt on a btrfs |
| 15:39.21 | ratrace | btrfs is not a rquirement, you can rsync any filesystem, but without atomic snapshots, you'd want to ensure the filesstem is not in the middle of a change when oyu rsync it |
| 15:39.33 | greycat | A snapshot means you run a command that "freezes" a copy of the current file system in place (turns on copy-on-write for all future changes, so the changes go in a different place). Then you back up the snapshot. Then you run another command that releases the copy-on-write changes and syncs them back to the main file system. |
| 15:40.12 | jelly | Elodin, rsync once, stop services, rsync again to shorten downtime for the duration of the actual cold backup |
| 15:40.23 | jelly | if you can't snapshot |
| 15:40.38 | ratrace | greycat: that mostly applies to LVM. systems like btrfs or ZFS behave differently |
| 15:40.51 | greycat | If you're running ext4 on top of LVM *with* available space in the volume group, you can do snapshots at the LVM level. |
| 15:41.11 | koollman | Elodin: rsync is better than dd for most situations. Preferably use a real backup program (like borgbackup, restic, or dozens of other options). Also, to help restore quickly, backup the partition tables, it helps making a new disk look like the old one quickly |
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| 16:03.16 | JyZyXEL | im still using backuppc and it's exciting to see the new 4.x.x series coming to bullseye |
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| 16:06.49 | JyZyXEL | seems i've done almost 10,000 nightly backups with the backuppc 3.x.x |
| 16:07.10 | yogoyo | bullseye -> OFTC/debian-next :P |
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| 16:25.18 | jelly | ,v bup |
| 16:25.19 | judd | Package: bup on amd64 -- jessie: 0.25-1; stretch: 0.29-3; bullseye: 0.31-2+b1; sid: 0.31-2+b1; experimental: 0.32~git20201223-1 |
| 16:25.29 | jelly | huh! |
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| 16:31.22 | ratrace | oh, shi.... upgraded the work/gaming pc thing.... forgot to upgrade le UPS too |
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| 16:31.29 | ratrace | WrongChan(tm) |
| 16:31.36 | greycat | le oops |
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| 16:31.47 | Haohmaru | busted |
| 16:32.07 | ratrace | I need le new oops indeed. a 600W one, vs 250 I gots now |
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| 16:33.17 | T-zef | anyone who play at AssaultCube on Debian ? |
| 16:34.21 | ratrace | !anyone |
| 16:34.21 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 16:35.42 | T-zef | yaaa ! folks who know how to change skins at AssaultCube on debian ? most of solution on web is for M$ |
| 16:36.51 | jelly | I know someone who has a gaming pc thing. |
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| 16:37.42 | T-zef | lol, it's about the path to place the skin i got lost |
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| 16:44.04 | Vatum | is there a reason why this apparmor profile for package ejabberd is in complain mode? |
| 16:44.04 | Vatum | https://salsa.debian.org/ejabberd-packaging-team/ejabberd/-/blob/master/debian/usr.sbin.ejabberdctl |
| 16:44.23 | Vatum | it will just log violations but allow them |
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| 16:49.07 | cren | hey! the jdk packages are supposed to provide `javax.swing`, right? |
| 16:49.19 | azeem | Vatum: I'm not sure Debian packages are supposed to enforce apparmer policies, maybe check debian-policy |
| 16:49.49 | cren | I'm getting "package javax does not exist" when I try to compile a program that imports swing |
| 16:50.13 | Vatum | azeem, so should i modify the apparmor profile to enforce? i am trying to figure if they put it in complain because they are uncertain if it will work in enforce or not |
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| 16:59.41 | azeem | Vatum: I don't know anything about apparmor, sorry |
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| 19:13.52 | polardroid | hello having an issue installing Debian to 2nd nvme, install appears ok but will not boot, complaining about amdgpu firmware, any advice ? |
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| 19:15.17 | greycat | sounds like it boots just fine, but doesn't run your GUI... my suggestion would be to boot in non-GUI mode and install the firmware |
| 19:15.26 | greycat | !multi-user.target |
| 19:15.26 | dpkg | Under systemd, graphical.target runs a <dm> and multi-user.target doesn't. You can add «systemd.unit=multi-user.target» to the kernel params to skip the DM once, or run «systemctl set-default multi-user.target» to change permanently. See also <nodm>. |
| 19:16.18 | polardroid | I was thinking whiskey and a 2 day vacation would be easier |
| 19:16.58 | greycat | "amdgpu" also implies quite new hardware, which may be an issue if you're running the current stable Debian |
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| 19:17.44 | polardroid | the build is recently 1 yr old fairly new |
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| 19:18.11 | polardroid | run Mint 19.3 on 1st nvme it has no issues |
| 19:19.13 | polardroid | yes trying to load Debian 10.7 |
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| 19:25.45 | polardroid | would the "testing version" improve my chances? |
| 19:26.47 | greycat | I would guess "yes", especially if you install using an installer that has the firmware on it. |
| 19:28.09 | greycat | https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ |
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| 19:30.24 | polardroid | ok thanks greycat and dpkg, that should keep me busy a while ; ) |
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| 19:47.22 | sponix2ipfw | greycat: I wish they would pull the "unofficial" directory out of the path for that :P |
| 19:49.06 | dob1 | how can I do a cat * in a directory but view the filename too before the output of the content fo the file ? |
| 19:49.32 | dob1 | a bash for loop ? |
| 19:49.53 | greycat | tail -n +1 -- * |
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| 19:50.11 | greycat | or, yes, a for loop would also work |
| 19:50.35 | dob1 | nice the tail one! |
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| 19:56.58 | jelly | sponix2ipfw, images with non-free firmware will never be official |
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| 19:59.20 | jelly | goes directly against Debian Social Contract, which is basically a constitution-level document for this distro |
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| 20:21.09 | otisolsen70 | I have debian 10 installed on a new laptop. For some reason it goes to sleep/standby after a while as well as when I close the lid. How do I (from command line) prevent this from EVER happening? I never want it to sleep. I want to disable all sorts of power managemnt features that might cause this. |
| 20:21.12 | jezebel | how do i stop a network interface from becoming the default route/gatway? |
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| 20:24.00 | dob1 | greycat, I don't understand what the -- does in the tail command you suggested, it seems the same with/without it |
| 20:24.25 | freem | dob1: it allows to make sure filenames won't be interpreted as options |
| 20:24.38 | dob1 | ah ok! |
| 20:24.46 | freem | for example if you have a file named "-rf" and you do "rm *" |
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| 20:25.00 | freem | doing "rm -- *" instead prevents problems |
| 20:25.22 | dob1 | ah, interesting |
| 20:26.36 | freem | not all commands do it, though. |
| 20:27.33 | jmcnaught | otisolsen70: for suspending when the lid is closed look at /etc/systemd/logind.conf for HandleLidSwitch= and related directives. Instead of editing that file directly you can put snippets in /etc/systemd/logind.conf.d/ |
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| 20:34.33 | greycat | Every POSIX command is required to respect -- except for test and echo. Other commands outside of the POSIX spec are hit and miss indeed, but most of the *good* ones will respect --. |
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| 20:36.42 | freem | greycat: is not find a POSIX command? |
| 20:36.43 | otisolsen70 | jmcnaught, it is #HandleLidSwitch=suspend |
| 20:36.53 | otisolsen70 | jmcnaught, is that default? |
| 20:36.59 | freem | (but yeah, it would not apply there anyway) |
| 20:37.05 | jmcnaught | otisolsen70: yes. |
| 20:37.08 | greycat | https://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/utilities/find.html |
| 20:37.17 | otisolsen70 | jmcnaught, what are valid options? |
| 20:37.30 | freem | yep, no "--" option |
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| 20:38.12 | otisolsen70 | JmaJeremy, what about suspending after some amount of time then? |
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| 20:38.33 | jmcnaught | otisolsen70: you probably want ignore but check "man logind.conf" for the details. |
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| 20:39.15 | rander2 | hello |
| 20:39.40 | otisolsen70 | jmcnaught, I just set all to ignore. But that is on lidclose. What about it just suspending after some time? Maybe an hour or so |
| 20:39.54 | rander2 | why if I change wifi mac address, and after connect to AP, the mac address return real ? |
| 20:40.22 | greycat | Well, the POSIX page for find says find should follow the Utility Syntax Guidelines that mandate -- as end of options. |
| 20:40.47 | jmcnaught | otisolsen70: what is your desktop environment? Under GNOME you go to Settings, then Power, there's a setting there for automatic suspend. Other DEs will probably have something similar. |
| 20:40.50 | greycat | It's not *entirely* clear where you draw the line between options, predicates and actions for find because it's such a special snowflake. |
| 20:40.53 | freem | but for find, it would not be really useful |
| 20:40.55 | rander2 | I must change mac address while I'm connect to station AP, so it remains changed |
| 20:41.18 | otisolsen70 | jmcnaught, I do not use desktop. I think all of them are installed, though. I use it as a server. |
| 20:41.24 | otisolsen70 | jmcnaught, I SSH into it. |
| 20:41.38 | otisolsen70 | jmcnaught, not possible to disable without GUI? |
| 20:42.15 | jmcnaught | otisolsen70: it is not clear *what* is suspending your system after an hour, but there are probably clues in the system journal/logs. |
| 20:42.26 | greycat | It might be possible to argue that Debian's find command has a bug here, but I doubt anyone would fix it. It's probably related to GNU find's insistence on using "." as the default starting path if you omit all pathnames, which is not valid in POSIX find. |
| 20:43.18 | freem | interesting, I didn't knew POSIX find would not do that |
| 20:44.23 | greycat | HP-UX's find is giving me "Usage: find path-list [predicate-list]" from "find -- ." so maybe it's just a thing that nobody implements. |
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| 20:44.52 | freem | not surprising |
| 20:45.01 | jmcnaught | otisolsen70: maybe if you have "systemctl get-default" saying graphical.target you should run "systemctl set-default multi-user.target" so that no display manager will be started on boot. |
| 20:45.42 | freem | debian's find accept the -- option though, but I would not bet on what it does |
| 20:46.48 | greycat | Debian's accepts "find -- ." but not "find -- -foo" (even if I mkdir -- -foo first) |
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| 20:48.14 | greycat | so I guess it's one notch less buggy than HP-UX's |
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| 20:52.31 | freem | busybox find gives the help, too |
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| 21:08.13 | rander2 | how to persistently change MAC address ? |
| 21:08.18 | jhutchins | Um, manpage? |
| 21:08.21 | greycat | *plonk* |
| 21:08.37 | yogoyo | :) |
| 21:09.52 | yogoyo | ,v eggdrop |
| 21:09.53 | judd | Package: eggdrop on amd64 -- jessie: 1.6.21-4; buster: 1.6.21-4+b1; stretch: 1.6.21-4+b1; bullseye: 1.8.4-1; sid: 1.8.4-1 |
| 21:10.11 | jhutchins | Sorry greycat. Lookin' at my keyboard. |
| 21:10.24 | rander2 | plonk for me?! |
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| 21:29.41 | n4dir | if that is what you search for i can offer you one. |
| 21:33.12 | jhutchins | rander2: I think that was for suggesting the manpage when an authoritative answer had already been given. |
| 21:33.28 | rander2 | ok |
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| 21:47.30 | bigMouthCommie | i did a fresh install, |
| 21:47.30 | bigMouthCommie | sudo apt install screen emacs |
| 21:47.30 | bigMouthCommie | then did "sudo DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive apt-get install freedombox" per https://wiki.debian.org/FreedomBox/Hardware/Debian |
| 21:47.30 | bigMouthCommie | and i had to manually start apache with /etc/init.d/apache2 start, and now im showing the default index.html instead of the freedombox page |
| 21:47.50 | bigMouthCommie | any suggestions? |
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| 21:52.04 | polardroid | thanks again, thats all it took - a "nonfree" version to remedy that amdgpu firmware bugaboo |
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| 22:01.48 | jmcnaught | bigMouthCommie: did you go to /plinth? |
| 22:02.08 | bigMouthCommie | no |
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| 22:03.05 | bigMouthCommie | is that from / ? |
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| 22:04.48 | jmcnaught | bigMouthCommie: I don't have freedombox installed I just downloaded the package, looked at the contents and read /etc/apache2/sites-available/plinth.conf |
| 22:05.19 | jmcnaught | bigMouthCommie: you might need to "a2ensite plinth" if it is not already symlinked in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/ |
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| 22:12.00 | bigMouthCommie | thanx. looks like it ships with a syntax error? so i'll fix this tomorrow |
| 22:12.09 | bigMouthCommie | jmcnaught: thanx again |
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| 22:21.51 | erle- | Will Gnome 40 be delayed in Sid because Debian 11 Freeze? |
| 22:22.15 | jhutchins | bigMouthCommie: I would expect freedombox to have a basic checklist tutorial. |
| 22:23.24 | jhutchins | erle-: Not paying too much attention to the release, but I would expect that 40 won't be hitting testing, so there's no point of putting it in sid until after the release. |
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| 22:24.10 | jhutchins | erle-: Remember, sid is not a release or distribution, it's a staging location for packages going to testing. |
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| 22:28.35 | n4dir | though you don't really realize it while using it, jhutchins |
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| 22:43.14 | jhutchins | "I never have any problems with it" translates as "I don't know anything about the problems other people have with it". |
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| 22:44.50 | n4dir | i didn't speak of problems, i spoke of it feeling like a distribution |
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| 22:45.14 | deadrom | hi |
| 22:45.31 | deadrom | can I use an old Adaptec 5405 controller in debian? |
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| 22:47.39 | n4dir | and it looks like at least some part of the official debian website would agree on that term: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/choosing.en.html#s3.1 |
| 22:48.26 | jhutchins | bumblebee |
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| 22:54.58 | jerry | i upgraded to xubuntu-20.04.1-desktop-amd64 a few weeks ago and suddenly i have no ethernet interfaces |
| 22:55.07 | jerry | any ideas? |
| 22:55.19 | freem | maybe check on #ubuntu? |
| 22:55.33 | jerry | its debian what's the dif |
| 22:56.22 | freem | if there is no diff, why do you install ubuntu? |
| 22:56.49 | jerry | was what i downloaded first, had no preference |
| 22:57.09 | jerry | i'll go over there |
| 22:57.22 | freem | ubuntu is derived from debian unstable, which means they change the package from debian unstable (and contribute back sure) |
| 22:57.31 | freem | you are on a chan dedicated to debian stable |
| 22:57.44 | jerry | ok |
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| 22:58.05 | freem | so, you are more likely to find help on an ubuntu chan. |
| 22:58.25 | freem | because they'll know if that's a known issue with the changes they introduce, for example |
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| 23:28.13 | Numline1 | Hey guys! I'm using TrueNAS SCALE, which is a Debian based appliance and I've been trying to set up a sudo access for my ansible user |
| 23:28.46 | Numline1 | I've basically added the user, did 'usermod -aG sudo ansible' and thought that's it, however whenever I try to execute a sudo command, it asks for a password and then it says the user doesn't have permission to execute such command |
| 23:29.19 | Numline1 | Basically when I try "sudo su" it fails with "Sorry, user ansible is not allowed to execute '/bin/su' as root on truenas.local" |
| 23:29.31 | Numline1 | Any ideas on what might be causing this? Thank you! |
| 23:30.00 | Numline1 | oh, and I also added /etc/sudoers.d/ansible with "ansible ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD:ALL" as its content |
| 23:30.02 | Numline1 | just to be sure |
| 23:31.36 | Elmo40 | hi. i have a dual-boot system (win10 + deb10). When I perform apt-get update and such, grub2 becomes messed up because it made a new grub.cfg file. I use a liveUSB to mv my copied cfg file over and it boots up how it should. Any idea why grub.cfg gets re-written like that? |
| 23:32.18 | Elmo40 | s/copied/backup |
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| 23:36.04 | sparky | openSuse did something like that to me (broke MBR) on every update. |
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| 23:52.49 | n4dir | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:54.02 | uxfi | qror |
| 23:54.04 | uxfi | o/qror |
| 23:54.06 | Elmo40 | I only do the normal apt-get update/upgrade. The next reboot it goes to the grub terminal. I don't edit the cfg file at all and grub was not even in the upgrade list. |
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| 23:57.07 | n4dir | at least one time grub.cfg must have been set up correct then |
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| 23:58.41 | n4dir | it getting rewritten is nothing unusual though |
| 23:58.42 | abrotman | Numline1: did user logout/login after doing that? |
| 23:59.03 | mutante | Numline1: a couple thoughts.. a) when you type "id ansible" does it show ansible as member of sudo group b) check if in /etc/sudoers/ the line "includedir /etc/sudoers.d" is actually not commented out c) when editing sudoers file use "visudo", do not edit directly with text editor |
| 23:59.33 | Numline1 | abrotman: yessir. However I've been able to add a user using the TrueNAS web UI which has "sudo" option there, so I'll try to figure out what exactly happened differently (since it works now) |
