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| 00:08.21 | jhutchins | ryouma: I think you're talking about kernel features, in which case, no. |
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| 00:13.45 | ryouma | yes, i mean mount options. i am unclear on what is os and what is kernel. i think debian has relatime as default but idk if they can combine. |
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| 00:17.41 | sney | they are filesystem mount options. I don't know if they can be combined, but you could always try. man mount has more details under atime |
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| 00:18.10 | sney | and the arch wiki, of course. https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/fstab#atime_options |
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| 00:19.22 | ryouma | yeah, didn't find anything, but at some point maybe i will try |
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| 01:15.24 | backupluis | Hi, I have a headache with file permission on a drive that I dont need any permissions at all, at first I managed using exFat but the overhead creating new files was so huge that I change to ext4, but now I have files & folders created by user, root, apache and qbittorrent-nox, I need to remove permission at all for the whole drive or for a folder and its childs or set something to inherit permissions/owners from parent. I found a lot of |
| 01:15.25 | backupluis | examples on the net but none of them work forever. I need to make it to default. Something that "I dont care about the owner nor permissions for this folder and all of existing and new childs". Any clue? |
| 01:15.41 | backupluis | Im not an experienced linux user |
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| 01:17.04 | backupluis | I know how to change everything about owner and permissions, but I need something for new files/folders |
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| 01:19.39 | derpadmin | backupluis, check setgid flag |
| 01:19.46 | derpadmin | chmod g+s |
| 01:20.28 | derpadmin | all files created in a directory will belong to the group set on that directory |
| 01:22.09 | backupluis | If a dir dont exists and its created by qbittorrent-nox then the owner will be qbtorrent and "user" can't access nor apache. |
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| 01:22.48 | derpadmin | what is the group on the folder created by qbittorrent-nox |
| 01:23.14 | backupluis | qbittorrent-nox |
| 01:23.27 | derpadmin | so chmod the new dig g+s |
| 01:23.46 | derpadmin | and add apache and the user to the group qbittorrent-nox |
| 01:23.58 | derpadmin | usermod -a G qbittorrent-nox user |
| 01:24.06 | derpadmin | usermod -a G qbittorrent-nox apache |
| 01:24.09 | backupluis | But what about the files created by apache or created by user from samba share? |
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| 01:24.33 | derpadmin | the will be set automatically to group qbittorrent-nox |
| 01:24.44 | derpadmin | so the 3 users can access them |
| 01:25.41 | backupluis | Will try |
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| 01:41.46 | backupluis | Thanks derpadmin!!! |
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| 01:42.07 | derpadmin | you're welcome |
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| 02:07.58 | russo31 | Hello I am trying to download the debian git archive and it is saying "anonscm.debian.org[0: 194.177.211.202]: errno=Connection refused |
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| 02:08.52 | russo31 | Following the instructions "execute the command git clone git://anonscm.debian.org/aptitude/aptitude.git |
| 02:08.54 | JackFrost | Alioth was deprecated in favor of Salsa.debian.org, it's either on there or in alioth-archive.debian.org |
| 02:09.16 | JackFrost | russo31: That's nwo https://salsa.debian.org/apt-team/aptitude.git |
| 02:10.22 | russo31 | JackFrost: Thank you |
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| 02:55.19 | cakeface | Hi all :) for those using Citrix Workspace I wrote up the steps I used and shared it on reddit. https://www.reddit.com/r/debian/comments/l7g40b/how_to_citrix_workspace_on_debian_107_buster/ |
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| 11:02.33 | dob1 | on debian this https://github.com/acmesh-official/acme.sh is acmetool ? |
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| 11:03.33 | Haohmaru | ,i acmetool |
| 11:03.36 | judd | Package acmetool (web, optional) in buster/amd64: automatic certificate acquisition tool for Let's Encrypt. Version: 0.0.62-3+b11; Size: 2984.7k; Installed: 10317k; Homepage: https://hlandau.github.io/acme |
| 11:04.33 | Haohmaru | dob1 if you have a DE, you can launch Synaptic and search/browse thru the packages and see info and screenshots |
| 11:05.30 | dob1 | but the page is not available, I was asking for this |
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| 11:06.29 | Haohmaru | i'd erase the "acme" from it and look what's there |
| 11:06.35 | Haohmaru | (there is something) |
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| 11:19.36 | ratrace | Haohmaru: what's there is "tool" then? :) |
| 11:20.09 | ratrace | meanwhile, the best ACME client thingy is dehydrated. |
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| 11:21.39 | Haohmaru | i have no idea what any of that is |
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| 11:26.26 | ratrace | why, catching the roadrunner of course! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acme_Corporation |
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| 12:51.03 | dob1 | for sure nobody remember but maybe it can be useful: yesterday I had problems to boot debian (UEFI) moving the ssd from one intel nuc to another, I don't know why. I solved it from debian live, rescue, reinstalling the bootloader on EFI partition |
| 12:53.14 | Mister00X | dob1: That is the second time I heard of boot problems solved by reinstalling GRUB after replugging the disk..... |
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| 13:30.29 | otisolsen70 | I am making a .deb package with my program. One of the folders installed must have specific permissions set. How do I make the .deb set those? |
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| 13:35.43 | H4ndy | otisolsen70: a postinst script seems to be the way to go |
| 13:37.05 | otisolsen70 | H4ndy, so I just create debian/mypackage.postinst and this is a shellscript that is run post install? So that will do chmod on the folders ? |
| 13:38.57 | H4ndy | Google says that postinst script is run and you can do there whatever you want, including fixing permissions, creating folders, etc. |
| 13:39.47 | otisolsen70 | H4ndy, cool. Will do that then. |
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| 15:31.46 | jle | can someone help me with a basic question: is python2 needed for the base installation of debian 10? (or is it installed in the minimal installation) |
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| 15:43.39 | karlpinc | jle: python (the python2 package) is Priority: optional, as is python2-minimal. So, a minimal installation does not require python. |
| 15:44.14 | karlpinc | jle: But, it will probably be installed if you install a "typical" debian. |
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| 16:05.58 | artej | Hello, I am having trouble configuring network after I removed the bridge I didn't need anymore |
| 16:06.10 | artej | I entered the same network settings |
| 16:06.17 | artej | but I cannot even ping gateway |
| 16:06.48 | artej | nmcli shows that connectivity is full, and ip route shows entries which look correct, 2 lines |
| 16:07.20 | artej | do you have any ideas where to check? I am running out of my own ideas, I did try to configure through console too, but since deleted the interface configuration |
| 16:07.39 | artej | traceroute stops on a single step btw |
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| 16:20.25 | artej | when I set the bridge back up network works just fine |
| 16:20.27 | artej | wtf |
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| 16:23.35 | sverzel | Random question.. Thunderbird refuses to use mouse cursor theme. Running a strace on the process reveals the following error message: openat(AT_FDCWD, "/home/sverzel/.icons/Oxygen 01 Yellow/cursors/left_ptr", O_RDONLY) = -1 EACCES (Permission denied) |
| 16:24.24 | sverzel | file exists, with read permission for UGO .. as if Thunderbird is running under some other user than my own? But in the processes it is clearly running in my user. |
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| 16:25.10 | Mister00X | sverzel: have you checked the permissions on that file? |
| 16:25.36 | hop | no, they have only checked the permissions on that file⦠|
| 16:25.51 | sverzel | Mister00X, -rw-r--r-- 1 sverzel sverzel 12K 2021-01-29 08:45 left_ptr |
| 16:27.13 | sverzel | weird stuff |
| 16:27.16 | Mister00X | sverzel: oh I missed the second line |
| 16:27.19 | Mister00X | sorry |
| 16:28.01 | sverzel | silly error, it is the only application reverting to system default cursor :-) |
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| 16:30.54 | Mister00X | sverzel: this has nothing to do with wayland, hasn't it? |
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| 16:31.41 | sverzel | Mister00X, I honestly don't know. I had the same deal with Firefox which just spontaneously started obeying the cursor theme. |
| 16:32.14 | hop | is it possibly going via some symlink? *wildshot* |
| 16:33.06 | sverzel | hop, the openat() command is trying the absolute path without symlinks |
| 16:33.15 | hop | i know, i know |
| 16:33.21 | sverzel | :-) |
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| 16:34.09 | sverzel | I can cat the file as well using the same path (binary, but readable) |
| 16:34.59 | sverzel | dropping the file system cache didn't help either |
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| 16:36.59 | jim | how can I find out which version of libgcrypt I'm using? reason I ask: https://lists.gnupg.org/pipermail/gnupg-announce/2021q1/000455.html |
| 16:37.21 | sverzel | very curious .. there's a bunch of openat() that fails because the files don't exist but the ones that do exist it fails with permission to open it read-only... |
| 16:37.50 | hop | jim: the version alone might not be the right thing to ask for |
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| 16:38.05 | hop | jim: presumably you use the version that is currentlich installed |
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| 16:38.57 | jim | hop, how can I find that? |
| 16:39.00 | hop | *currently |
| 16:39.25 | hop | jim: ask your package manager, for example 'dpkg -l | grep libgcrypt' |
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| 16:40.22 | hop | even if debian were to use 1.9.0, patches might have been applied from later upstream versions |
| 16:40.39 | jim | oh ok, so I'm running 1.8.4-5 |
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| 16:41.08 | hop | jim: why this package in particular? |
| 16:41.28 | jim | someone told me about the announcement |
| 16:41.51 | hop | jim: debian is pretty good with security updates. you _do_ install security updates regularly, yes? |
| 16:42.09 | jim | sorta regularly :) |
| 16:42.26 | jim | maybe not as often as I should |
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| 16:42.31 | hop | install one of the packages that reminds you of pending updates. apply them at the earliest |
| 16:42.50 | hop | i'm partial to cron-apt |
| 16:42.59 | hop | i'm sure there's gui-stuff as well |
| 16:43.37 | jim | are you mostly running in a virtual console? |
| 16:43.46 | hop | i don't know what that means |
| 16:43.54 | hop | i'm not running, i'm sitting |
| 16:44.27 | jim | sitting on a cornflake... waiting for the band to come... |
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| 16:45.12 | jim | do you prefer using guis such as desktop environments? |
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| 16:47.10 | hop | depends |
| 16:47.33 | hop | but no, generally not |
| 16:47.56 | hop | guis are nice to arrange terminal windows, that's about all they are good for |
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| 16:57.49 | gordonfish | Anyone happen to know what might cause some X11 programs, like `x11vnc -gui` to have missing text (like all the labels, text boxes, etc are blank) ? Is this just a missing font issue? I haven't found anything in logs, running from commandline doesn't say anything. |
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| 17:00.32 | gordonfish | I've been searching around but can't seem to find any good information on this. |
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| 17:04.20 | sverzel | my issue with Thunderbird not being able to read icons was AppArmor, disabled the profile |
| 17:05.18 | oxek | if there's a severe security bug in a version of a package that's only available in the experimental repo, and upstream knows about it and has already released a fixed version, does debian care at all? Or is experimental completely out of any sort of security (or other support), and packages are free to break and leave user systems exploitable? |
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| 17:06.20 | jelly | oxek, in general no, experimental is known to be broken |
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| 17:07.27 | oxek | thanks |
| 17:07.32 | jelly | you could prod the maintainer if you relied on it; then again if it's good enough to be relied upon it possibly deserves an upload tu unstable |
| 17:07.51 | jelly | tu? eh |
| 17:08.08 | teclo- | afternoon... know a GUI media player that does not suck like Clementine does ? |
| 17:08.41 | jelly | teclo-, I use Clementine and to not know the precise way it sucks |
| 17:08.47 | teclo- | I typed Ctrl-E in Clementine, I added the title of the song to 20 files... Then... Clementine wrote nothing in the id3 of the files |
| 17:09.14 | jelly | how dare it |
| 17:09.45 | teclo- | jelly: ah, thank you,... well in Clementine if you select 20 files, do Ctrl-E, put the name of each title, click Next to the next title, then at the end "Save", Clementine did not save anything |
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| 17:09.55 | jelly | teclo-, which debian release are you using and which version of clementine? |
| 17:10.15 | gordonfish | VLC? |
| 17:10.23 | gordonfish | Re: <teclo-> afternoon... know a GUI media player that does not suck like Clementine does ? |
| 17:10.23 | jelly | last time I edited some id3 tags it worked, admittedly that was years ago |
| 17:10.28 | teclo- | jelly: I'm running 10.7 |
| 17:10.45 | beelzebuzz | teclo- i have not had that issue and i use clementine on nix and win |
| 17:10.48 | oxek | for playing media, VLC or mpv, for editing tags, musicbrainz picard |
| 17:10.48 | teclo- | gordonfish: yes but, to me VLC is for video |
| 17:11.07 | gordonfish | VLC can edit id3 tags just fine |
| 17:11.26 | gordonfish | (and meta tags for other formats, like m4a) |
| 17:11.38 | gordonfish | (and mp4, etc) |
| 17:11.59 | gordonfish | VLC is for video and audio, it's a -media- player |
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| 17:12.06 | teclo- | gordonfish: ah didn't know, thank you |
| 17:12.16 | gordonfish | Np |
| 17:12.31 | oxek | I see clementine is 5 years without a upstream release |
| 17:12.37 | teclo- | and this Clementine 1.3.1 |
| 17:12.59 | teclo- | and I used to use Amarok, but in Debian 10.x, Amarok is not present because of "KDE issues" |
| 17:13.42 | jelly | yeah, last upstream release 2016, does not bode well |
| 17:13.52 | jelly | ,v amarok |
| 17:13.53 | judd | Package: amarok on amd64 -- jessie: 2.8.0-2.1+b1; stretch: 2.8.0-8 |
| 17:14.03 | jelly | hmph |
| 17:15.04 | jelly | Amarok 2.9.0 "Hibernaculum" released March 7, 2018 |
| 17:15.24 | jelly | perhaps it'd be worth trying to add it back before bullseye |
| 17:15.35 | oxek | isn't it too late for that? |
| 17:15.42 | oxek | freeze for new packages already happened |
| 17:16.39 | yogoyo | ,v strawberry |
| 17:16.40 | judd | No package named 'strawberry' was found in amd64. |
| 17:16.56 | azeem | ,v exult |
| 17:16.57 | judd | Package: exult on amd64 -- jessie/contrib: 1.2-15.3; stretch/contrib: 1.2-16.2+b1; buster/contrib: 1.2-18; bullseye/contrib: 1.6-3; sid/contrib: 1.6-3 |
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| 17:18.54 | hop | sverzel: of course! didn't think of that, because it's the first thing to go |
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| 17:22.05 | tosted | hi everybody/machine, i need to know why aptitude never Ends resolving dependencies. |
| 17:22.23 | oxek | !bat |
| 17:22.23 | dpkg | [Basic Apt* Troubleshooting]. To diagnose your problem, we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use https://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 17:22.48 | jelly | everybody/machine, is that a new debian/rules |
| 17:23.06 | oxek | everysentient |
| 17:23.08 | tosted | lol |
| 17:24.43 | tosted | we never know where the bots are!!! |
| 17:26.44 | tosted | aptitude update work well, but when select some package to install it iniciate a solving dependencies. and never ends up. |
| 17:27.05 | oxek | tosted: did you read the message from dpkg? |
| 17:27.22 | oxek | !tell tosted about bat |
| 17:28.40 | tosted | yes oxek, but no errors go up. only never ends the process and breeze all desktop. |
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| 17:29.12 | oxek | what commands are you running, what debian version, what version of aptitude, what packages are you trying to find dependencies... |
| 17:29.27 | tosted | need to clean this Dependencies analyses |
| 17:29.28 | oxek | if we don't have enough info to replicate the issue, then there's nothing we can do |
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| 17:29.43 | jelly | tosted, you can still paste 1) your full command line, at least some output and 3) apt-cache policy |
| 17:30.02 | tosted | ok |
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| 17:30.43 | Eryn_1983_FL2 | hi guys |
| 17:30.53 | Eryn_1983_FL2 | ping |
| 17:31.18 | jelly | no response from host |
| 17:31.20 | Eryn_1983_FL2 | I. trying to get my screen to not dim go dark when I don't plug in my power cord |
| 17:31.36 | Eryn_1983_FL2 | it's an hp latitude e6530 |
| 17:31.48 | tosted | https://paste.debian.net/1183258/ |
| 17:33.48 | sverzel | hop, never really got around to pay much attention to apparmor myself. Almost a "new" concept to me.. |
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| 17:34.24 | oxek | tosted: any chance you could upgrade to buster and see if that fixes it? |
| 17:35.50 | tosted | ok... i ll updadte sources.list and realize a new attempt. |
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| 17:39.26 | tosted | is 'aptitude upgrade' command is ok to run now? source.lis is update and commented other repos |
| 17:40.13 | tosted | is 'aptitude upgrade' command is ok to run now? source.lis was updated and commented out other repos sources |
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| 17:43.11 | tosted | open 17000 closes 18000 defer 59 conflict and grooooowing up fast |
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| 17:43.54 | tosted | open 60000 closed 58000 defer 59 conflict 173 and grooooowing up fast |
| 17:44.16 | tosted | and never ends |
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| 17:46.02 | tosted | open: 121578; closed: 136513; defer: 69; conflict: 179 |
| 17:46.20 | tosted | now desktop runnig slow |
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| 17:48.25 | tosted | open: 185261; closed: 247023; defer: 69; conflict: 179 |
| 17:49.16 | tosted | why this... never happened nothing like that before. |
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| 17:51.25 | tosted | can i hope some helper here? |
| 17:52.52 | karlpinc | Eryn_1983_FL2: I've no clue. But maybe "man upower" is a place to start? (I did recall there being something else, but can't think of it.) |
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| 17:58.03 | jelly | tosted, do an update, and try aptitude full-upgrade instead |
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| 17:58.41 | jelly | tosted, and put your sources.list back to what they used to be before that update |
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| 17:59.45 | tosted | aptitude not working cause IT Unable to solve dependencies. |
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| 18:00.04 | tosted | apt-get is working normally |
| 18:00.25 | tosted | UPGRADE command |
| 18:00.54 | jelly | tosted, does that mean that you tried "aptitude full-upgrade" and it had same symptoms? |
| 18:01.20 | jelly | or does it mean that you did not try it |
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| 18:03.05 | jelly | aptitude typically has that kind of problem if there are pinnings and mixed repos, but you have none; or if you try to use it during release upgrade |
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| 18:16.12 | Strogg | hey all, question: Was wicd-gtk removed from Testing? I used to use that, and I just a distupgrade and it's gone. Any suggested replacements, if so? |
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| 18:16.34 | greycat | I think all of the wicd stuff might have been removed. Check the tracker. |
| 18:17.32 | dob1 | I have a debian 9 release that I can't update right now, it's safe to wait for 11 and update to 11, 9 -> 11 without updating to 10 ? |
| 18:17.55 | greycat | you must go one at a time. 9 to 10 to 11. |
| 18:18.18 | greycat | Strogg: https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/wicd |
| 18:19.08 | dob1 | ok got it |
| 18:20.18 | Strogg | greycat: yeah.. I was just reading that.. am sad. gonna try out connmanctl |
| 18:21.40 | zutat | :o NetworkManager |
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| 18:31.23 | PaddyF | !hirsute |
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| 18:32.55 | PaddyF | strange, the dict.cc version makes no sense in a commit messsage "add (ubuntu) hirsute" |
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| 18:34.52 | greycat | I'm guessing it's an ubuntu release name. |
| 18:35.20 | greycat | googling "ubuntu hirsute" confirms it |
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| 18:35.35 | jelly | which animal is it |
| 18:35.43 | greycat | Ubuntu 21.04 Is The "Hirsute Hippo", Releasing On 22 April ... |
| 18:35.58 | AppXprt | what is the program called that allows you to install with the text based installer on the alternative install? |
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| 18:36.18 | jelly | debian-installer ? |
| 18:36.19 | greycat | what does "on the alternative install" mean here? |
| 18:36.24 | PaddyF | that means the ubuntu and debian versions are handled in the same place? |
| 18:36.40 | PaddyF | i poke debootstrap :) |
| 18:36.41 | greycat | no, ubuntu is a separate organization |
| 18:36.46 | Miles8of9 | would be better something like... Hirsute Bug....? :P |
| 18:36.53 | jelly | AppXprt, we don't have the other installer. Ubuntu calls d-i "the alternative install" |
| 18:37.14 | PaddyF | no, no. i get it (finally!) you can debootstrap that ubuntu suite from within debian |
| 18:37.16 | AppXprt | yea but doesn't it run in through text based program? |
| 18:37.31 | greycat | Debian only has "d-i" (debian-installer, which has both text and graphical modes), and "calamares" which is used on the Live images. |
| 18:37.40 | AppXprt | I forget what that program is called... Basically I have Bodhi linux live over serial console and need to install from cli |
| 18:37.57 | greycat | are you thinking of debootstrap? |
| 18:38.16 | jelly | AppXprt, you'll have to ask the bodhi linux people, I suppose |
| 18:38.23 | AppXprt | I just need a headless install for Bodhi, I'm booted up to live and only have cli over serial console. |
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| 18:38.42 | greycat | Never heard of this one before. |
| 18:38.51 | AppXprt | it's basically debian/ubuntu, is there a way to add debian-installer to a live ubuntu session that doesn't have it? |
| 18:38.58 | greycat | I suppose that's not surprising, because there seem to be two new Debian derivatives every day. |
| 18:38.59 | PaddyF | "basically" :) |
| 18:39.14 | jelly | AppXprt, "debian/ubuntu" are two different things with different default installer codes. |
| 18:39.22 | AppXprt | it's based on ubuntu |
| 18:39.43 | PaddyF | and i summoned it |
| 18:40.06 | jelly | dpkg, bodhi |
| 18:40.06 | dpkg | i haven't a clue, jelly |
| 18:40.17 | jelly | our bot has no idea about that distro |
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| 18:41.32 | jelly | AppXprt, they seem to have a forum: http://forums.bodhilinux.com/ and discord chat: https://discord.gg/Qrn4rsP |
| 18:41.33 | AppXprt | hmmm, after an apt update, I have debian-installer as an option, so downloading and will try |
| 18:41.59 | jelly | we don't really provide ANY help for derivative distros in here |
| 18:42.24 | AppXprt | okay, well how about how do to start debian-installer? I have it installed. |
| 18:42.43 | jelly | you boot it :-) |
| 18:43.05 | AppXprt | it's also a package that gets installed, so is there a way to launch it? |
| 18:43.12 | jelly | ,v debian-installer |
| 18:43.13 | judd | Package: debian-installer on amd64 -- jessie: 20150422+deb8u5; stretch: 20170615+deb9u9; buster: 20190702+deb10u7; bullseye: 20201202; sid: 20201202 |
| 18:43.29 | jelly | no idea, look at the package contents. dpkg -L packagename |
| 18:43.41 | karlpinc | Package description says it contains only documentation. |
| 18:43.51 | jelly | that makes some sense |
| 18:43.57 | jelly | ,i debian-installer |
| 18:44.00 | judd | Package debian-installer (devel, optional) in buster/amd64: Debian Installer documentation. Version: 20190702+deb10u7; Size: 719.5k; Installed: 1224k |
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| 18:44.18 | AppXprt | ahhh it's all man docs, that's it |
| 18:44.21 | karlpinc | AppXprt: You might want the unofficial installer with non-free firmware, to make the install easier. |
| 18:44.27 | karlpinc | !firmware images |
| 18:44.28 | dpkg | There are <live> system and <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages available from https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ The images are "unofficial" because "official Debian" includes only 100% free software. They are otherwise identical to the normal installer images and prepared by the same Debian Developers. See <check iso>. |
| 18:44.50 | AppXprt | what is the unofficial installer called? |
| 18:44.59 | jelly | it's the same code |
| 18:45.10 | jelly | just has a couple more packages inside |
| 18:45.10 | karlpinc | AppXprt: See the factoid just above your last remark. |
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| 18:47.23 | AppXprt | That factoid doesn't actually say what it uses or what the name of it is? |
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| 18:48.11 | Sark | So... I'm well and thoroughly confused. Short story - plug in a video card, onboard Ethernet dies. Run with onboard video, Ethernet is fine. Have *identical* PC, same exact video card, also running Debian current - never had a problem, Ethernet is fine. |
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| 18:48.53 | Sark | I think the video card is somehow interfering with Debian initializing the Ethernet card? It's a Realtek r8169, onboard. |
| 18:49.14 | Sark | When the Ethernet works - I get things in dmesg complaining about not being able to load the firmware. |
| 18:49.20 | Sark | But when it doesn't - I don't get those errors. |
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| 18:50.06 | Sark | Which makes even less sense. And I never installed special firmware for the Ethernet card in my other PC with the same config, which I'm using now. |
| 18:50.23 | jelly | Sark, marginal power supply issues? |
| 18:50.48 | Sark | I have a whole stack of these computers that are identical, and I've tried my hard drive/video card combination in three of 'em. |
| 18:50.56 | Sark | So, that seems unlikely. |
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| 18:51.22 | greycat | when you say "identical", you actually ran "lspci -nn" and compared the 8-digit hex PCI IDs for the ethernet interfaces? |
| 18:51.24 | Sark | Computer is an Optiplex 390, card is an Nvidia GeForce GT610. |
| 18:52.07 | zutat | AppXprt: the debian-installer package has a confusing name. it should be called debian-installer-doc, because it only contains documentation |
| 18:52.30 | Sark | I mean, I haven't compared the hex IDs, but I'd assume that all these Optiplex 390s would be the same, since they were all purchased at the same time. |
| 18:52.47 | Sark | All of the ones I'm messing with I have updated the BIOS to the latest revision. |
| 18:53.09 | Sark | And the video card I'm trying to use is identical (same Zotac card, same revision). |
| 18:53.11 | jelly | don't assume, verify |
| 18:55.51 | Sark | Hex IDs are the same. |
| 18:55.58 | Sark | The machines were all made on the same day. |
| 18:57.20 | Sark | And it's definitely related to the Debian install, because if I boot the old PartitionMagic off the Hiren disc... Ethernet works fine, even with the video card installed. |
| 18:57.21 | jelly | Sark, does the pci device keep existing after the GPU is plugged in and machine powered on? |
| 18:57.59 | Sark | When you plug in the video card, it disables the onboard video. So with video card. |
| 18:58.07 | Sark | But the Ethernet interface is still there. |
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| 18:58.11 | Sark | Debian even sees it, gives it a name. |
| 18:58.13 | jelly | good |
| 18:58.14 | Sark | It just doesn't work |
| 18:58.28 | Sark | No link lights, dead as a post. |
| 18:58.46 | tosted | how to cancel all holding packs to be installed? |
| 18:59.01 | jelly | Sark, care to pastebin complete "dmesg" output with and without gpu? |
| 19:00.01 | jelly | tosted, what do you mean |
| 19:00.05 | karlpinc | tosted: "aptitude unhold ..."? |
| 19:00.20 | greycat | !kept back |
| 19:00.20 | dpkg | Apt says packages are "kept back" when they cannot be upgraded even though newer versions are available. This happens if dependencies cannot be resolved, packages are on hold or you used "upgrade" not "full-upgrade" and old packages need to be removed as part of the upgrade. To investigate, "aptitude -s install <kept-package>". See also http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/69 and ask me about <full-upgrade>. |
| 19:00.33 | greycat | (my guess) |
| 19:01.30 | jelly | tosted, which debian version is supposed to be installed on this machine? Have you inherited the system from someone else? |
| 19:02.05 | jelly | tosted, the symptoms are unusual for a simple regular upgrade. |
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| 19:13.27 | tosted | wow...found auto resolution |
| 19:13.39 | Sark | jelly: https://pastebin.com/YwEdAWnV https://pastebin.com/Wtiqx1KH |
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| 19:13.46 | tosted | i ve opened aptitude control menu and options |
| 19:14.03 | tosted | there is automatically solve dependencies |
| 19:14.21 | Sark | There's probably something obvious I'm overlooking, but I don't see it. |
| 19:14.45 | Sark | The fact that it works without the video card installed means obviously Debian has whatever it needs to use the Ethernet card. |
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| 19:15.26 | Sark | So I don't see why the addition of another device would take that ability away, unless it's stomping on some I/O address, which I know it isn't, because Ethernet works when booted off that ancient Partedmagic disc. |
| 19:15.31 | tosted | i ve checked out that box and manually were solving the dependencies broken and unsatisfied |
| 19:15.50 | tosted | thanks for me :D |
| 19:16.00 | tosted | and oxek |
| 19:16.37 | tosted | and all ignored my problem to solve myself |
| 19:17.52 | jelly | !win tosted |
| 19:17.52 | dpkg | Congratulations, tosted! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
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| 19:18.45 | phizzz | i have a machine with a fresh install of buster which is hanging on high i/o when running rsync. the drives are hdd and fairly new and are luks encrypted. i tried changing the scheduler to [none] from mq-deadline, but it still hangs. any suggestions on how to stop the hanging? |
| 19:19.11 | phizzz | i've never had this happen before |
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| 19:20.41 | phizzz | and i was installing slink from floppy disk last century... |
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| 19:21.24 | jelly | Sark, you know what's weird? r8196 changes pci address between those two boots |
| 19:21.30 | jelly | r8169 * |
| 19:21.57 | Sark | I noticed that as well. It's different still on my main PC, likely because I have an additional USB3 card installed. |
| 19:22.27 | jelly | Sark, do you disable the embedded GPU when you put in the discrete one |
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| 19:22.39 | Sark | It does that automatically, there's no way to use both at the same time. |
| 19:22.47 | jelly | sigh, but why |
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| 19:23.20 | Sark | I mean, the only reason I installed the other video card is so I can get dual monitors - but it can drive two monitors at once at the same time by itself. |
| 19:24.00 | jelly | here's a cleared diff: https://paste.debian.net/1183266/ |
| 19:24.01 | Sark | But yeah - dunno - I guess they figure that you probably don't want to use the Intel core onboard graphics unless you have to. |
| 19:25.00 | jelly | driver loads, but never moves on to initialize things fully (or get to the point of trying to load the optional fw) |
| 19:25.53 | Sark | I did try unloading and reloading the module manually at one point, but it didn't do anything different. |
| 19:26.15 | Sark | What is the firmware for, anyway? |
| 19:28.17 | jelly | typically it offers hardware offload for some driver stuff (tcp checksums, that sort of thing) but those are often more buggy than doing it in the OS and not worth the effort |
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| 19:29.54 | Sark | Ah, makes sense. I was a bit wondering if maybe I needed it... but at the same time - never used the firmware before, and I have like four or five of these PCs in service. |
| 19:30.53 | jelly | if it's a haswell or newer machine (i[357]-4xxx), don't bother with that nvidia at all, intel gpu will be good enough to drive 2 outputs |
| 19:31.26 | Sark | It only has the one VGA connector though. |
| 19:31.30 | jelly | and have enough 3D for X and opengl compositing, orWayland |
| 19:31.34 | Sark | So I need the video card. |
| 19:31.40 | jelly | ouch |
| 19:32.32 | Sark | And it's an i5-2400. |
| 19:32.42 | Sark | There's a reason I have a couple stacks of these things. |
| 19:33.06 | Sark | In that "kinda old" category, but still way, way, way, way faster than anything I had before. And 64 bit! |
| 19:33.10 | jelly | oh, sandybridge |
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| 19:33.45 | Sark | Certainly it's more than powerful enough for everything I'm doing. I've got no complaints about the hardware. This Ethernet problem is weird though. |
| 19:33.52 | jelly | yes, it's good enough, I had a T420s actively used until last summer |
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| 19:34.21 | jelly | too bad they didn't expose two outputs |
| 19:34.29 | Sark | I've half a mind to image the drive that's in the one I'm using now, and dump it onto another one and see what happens. Since this is the exact same computer, exact same Zotac GT610 video card. |
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| 19:36.25 | jelly | Sark, do your models not have DVI output as well? |
| 19:36.27 | Sark | I would say that maybe I need to just install it with the video card installed... but that's not how this machine came to be either. |
| 19:36.40 | Sark | It has VGA and HDMI. |
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| 19:36.52 | jelly | and you don't have hdmi monitors? |
| 19:36.56 | Sark | I do not. |
| 19:37.38 | jelly | it's really crappy of that BIOS to automatically disable embedded GPU :-) |
| 19:37.38 | Sark | The GT610 gives me VGA, DVI-I, and HDMI, so I can just use an adapter to VGA on the DVI-I and it works flawlessly. And it's honestly way more graphics power than I need. |
| 19:37.50 | Sark | But the cards were free. |
| 19:40.16 | Sark | Also, another reason... on another one of these (where this all started), I was screwing around - turns out, you can *totally* plunk a Xeon E3-1280 in there and it works fine. |
| 19:40.38 | Sark | This, of course, renders the onboard video ports useless since the Xeon chips do not have built in video. |
| 19:42.02 | Sark | Machine works perfectly with the GT610 in there as it's only video card... except then the Ethernet doesn't work. My initial thought was that it was the CPU swap, so I reverted to another, stock machine to test the video card combination, and found it not to work. |
| 19:43.23 | Sark | I also have another Nvidia card of unknown origin that has a funny, proprietary video connector on it that I don't have a monitor or adapter for, or whatever it wants. I threw that in there to get it to post with the Xeon, the hard disk clearly clunks away and it boots... but network stays dead. |
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| 19:45.19 | jelly | I guess the change in PCI setup makes the card or the driver confused for some reason; there might be value in trying different kernel boot parameters for pci enumeration (or trying an older kernel, like debian 8 or 9 older) |
| 19:45.33 | jaggz | why's there no ddccontrol in testing? |
| 19:45.45 | jelly | ,v ddccontrol |
| 19:45.46 | judd | Package: ddccontrol on amd64 -- jessie: 0.4.2-11; stretch: 0.4.2-11+b1; buster: 0.4.4-1; sid: 0.4.4-1.1 |
| 19:45.58 | jelly | dpkg, why is ddccontrol not in testing |
| 19:45.58 | dpkg | ddccontrol is not in testing for the reasons listed in https://qa.debian.org/excuses.php?package=ddccontrol |
| 19:48.25 | jelly | got removed for #957127 but the fixed version did not go thru |
| 19:48.26 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/957127 in src:ddccontrol (closed, fixed-upstream, patch, sid, bullseye): «ddccontrol: ftbfs with GCC-10»; severity: serious; opened: 2020-04-17; last modified: 2021-01-29. |
| 19:48.45 | jaggz | jelly, thanks a lot :) |
| 19:49.35 | jelly | jaggz, maybe ask pabs over on OFTC what to do there, he uploaded the fixed one, maybe he knows how to look up the reason why it's stuck from migrating |
| 19:49.53 | jaggz | oftc sucks |
| 19:50.18 | jaggz | no offense to the individuals involved at all. the network is lame though. |
| 19:50.31 | jaggz | no sasl login support? |
| 19:50.59 | Mister00X | jaggz: you can use ssl certs |
| 19:51.18 | jelly | there's a functional equivalent with... those, yeah |
| 19:51.36 | jaggz | not for ssl, for ip privacy |
| 19:51.53 | jaggz | nick identification for cloaking |
| 19:52.21 | Mister00X | cloaking is not an effective security measure |
| 19:52.32 | jelly | --- [jelly] (jelly@00012145.user.oftc.net) : |
| 19:52.45 | jelly | Mister00X, it's better than nothing. |
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| 19:53.04 | foxide | So is a layer of sunscreen when falling into the sun. |
| 19:53.09 | Mister00X | jelly: true but in modern days is change fast |
| 19:53.11 | jaggz | Mister00X, especially without it being at login and not with some window between login and identification |
| 19:53.27 | foxide | jaggz: Also, you can auth with a client-side cert. Functionally the same as sasl. |
| 19:53.36 | Mister00X | s/s/p |
| 19:53.52 | foxide | Alpo? |
| 19:53.59 | jaggz | yeah well, "give my ip out publicly when I go somewhere" is also changing fast.. like decades ago. :) |
| 19:54.24 | jelly | jaggz, that's why I have a $2 VPS to connect from :-\ |
| 19:54.28 | jaggz | foxide, you sure? i'll look into that |
| 19:54.34 | foxide | Yes, I am sure. |
| 19:54.58 | foxide | https://www.oftc.net/NickServ/CertFP/ |
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| 19:55.35 | Mister00X | and I use a VPN |
| 19:55.51 | Onyx47 | the solution is simple, just live in a country with a shortage of IPv4 addresses and no support for IPv6, so you get the wonderful "feature" that is CGNAT, they can have your IP all they want, they ain't getting to you! |
| 19:55.57 | Onyx47 | (yes, that was all sarcasm) |
| 19:56.06 | Mister00X | jaggz: btw https://www.oftc.net/UserCloaks/ |
| 19:56.18 | foxide | jaggz: And ignore their instructions for cert generation. |
| 19:56.20 | foxide | openssl req -new -newkey rsa:3072 -days 1095 -nodes -x509 -keyout cert.pem -out cert.pem -subj '/CN=jaggz@oftc' |
| 19:56.24 | foxide | Bam, one-liner. |
| 19:57.05 | Sark | jelly: OK. I figured it out. Kinda. I'm an idiot. It's not that the Ethernet card doesn't work, it's that Debian doesn't bring it up or look for the DHCP server or anything. It just... does nothing. |
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| 19:57.26 | Sark | If I manually use ip to bring the interface up, and manually give it an IP address and default route, it works. |
| 19:57.36 | jaggz | claps |
| 19:57.36 | foxide | Sark: Is the interface configured to do anything? |
| 19:57.41 | jelly | Sark, which DE are you using? |
| 19:57.45 | Sark | DE? |
| 19:57.51 | greycat | clearly it's not configured in /etc/network/interfaces, and you're not using Network Manager or any other auto-thingy |
| 19:57.55 | jelly | desktop environment |
| 19:57.58 | Sark | ctwm |
| 19:58.05 | jelly | ,i ctwm |
| 19:58.06 | judd | Package ctwm (x11, optional) in buster/amd64: Claude's Tab window manager. Version: 3.7-4+b1; Size: 468.4k; Installed: 1700k; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/ctwm; O: #522256 |
| 19:58.46 | Sark | It was configured. |
| 19:58.54 | Sark | I now realize what happened. And I'm an idiot. |
| 19:59.05 | Sark | When the video card is plugged in, it changes the PCI bus address of the Ethernet card. |
| 19:59.14 | jelly | Sark, enp4s0 vs enp3s0? |
| 19:59.34 | jaggz | I'm sure they'll get to the ddccontrol thingy.. no rush :) |
| 19:59.36 | Sark | But since the stupid-as-heck current convention of calling the interface by it's PCI address instead of just "eth0"... |
| 19:59.37 | jaggz | thanks a lot buds |
| 19:59.41 | jelly | "predictable" interface names, my ass |
| 19:59.43 | Sark | Yeah, precisely. |
| 19:59.48 | jaggz | jelly, i privmsg'ed you btw |
| 19:59.57 | jaggz | gtg.. family desperate for my help |
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| 20:00.03 | jaggz | & |
| 20:00.16 | Sark | I wonder if there's a way to fix that. |
| 20:00.31 | Sark | But, in any event, I can just edit /etc/network/interfaces and it should work. |
| 20:00.38 | kale | Sark: heh, i just added "net.ifnames=0 biosdevname=0" to grub, and then set an udev rule to name it eth0 from its MAC address |
| 20:00.45 | Sark | I just never considered that the Ethernet card would change it's name on me like that. |
| 20:01.22 | kale | i have en USB NIC that gives a 8-10 character "predictable" device name |
| 20:01.26 | zutat | Sark: you could use the mac address style name |
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| 20:01.37 | tharkun | I have a headless old piece of hw that has a working CD reader. How can I mount a cdrom from the cli I tried the mount command but it only has udiskctl. Any suggestions. Google is of no help so far. |
| 20:01.38 | Dagger | I mean, what did you expect from predictable device names? they're not exactly predictable |
| 20:02.07 | kale | tharkun: mount /dev/cdrom /mnt/misc ? |
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| 20:02.41 | Sark | I didn't even consider or think about it - I'm so used to it just being eth0 that I didn't think, and since I run DHCP now anyway, I'm not messing with /etc/network/interfaces any more, and since ifconfig is gone... I kinda don't even know how to do stuff manually any more. |
| 20:02.41 | jelly | !dpni |
| 20:02.43 | dpkg | To disable Predictable Network Interface naming and revert back to the old interface naming, run "ln -s /dev/null /etc/systemd/network/99-default.link" as root (without quotes). Creating this symbolic link prevents systemd from being able to change interface names. You will need to unplug/replug your device or reboot/reload module. Alternatively add net.ifnames=0 to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX in /etc/default/grub then run update-grub and reboot. |
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| 20:02.45 | Sark | Have to look it up every time. |
| 20:02.56 | tharkun | kale: As stated it is not present on the system. |
| 20:03.25 | tharkun | Sark: man ip |
| 20:03.35 | Onyx47 | I miss the days where I could connect to a random machine and be fairly sure that I'm just dealing with `eth0` or whatever, at least I had to remember one digit if it wasn't the default... now I have to keep notes so I don't have to list the interfaces all the damned time because I forgot, was it enp2s1 or enp1s or whatever... |
| 20:03.59 | Sark | tharkun: Exactly. I have to use the man page every single time. I don't have everything memorized like I did with ifconfig. |
| 20:04.00 | Onyx47 | I should probably start turning that stuff off, too |
| 20:04.07 | Sark | Not to mention the commands for ifconfig were a heck of a lot simpler. Heh. |
| 20:04.11 | jelly | Sark, I look up the jessie->stretch release notes :-) |
| 20:04.26 | kale | Sark: install net-tools, then you have ifconfig again |
| 20:04.46 | Dagger | Onyx47: tab complete! oh, but it doesn't work half the time |
| 20:04.51 | tharkun | Sark: It is a pain sometimes, yet you eventualy make your mind to it. Specially true if leading with multiple OS |
| 20:04.53 | jelly | https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#iproute2 |
| 20:05.17 | Dagger | and (at least in my versions of bash) it works by *running ifconfig and parsing the output*, so it requires ifconfig installed and takes ages |
| 20:05.19 | tharkun | tips hat on jelly's general direction. |
| 20:05.42 | Sark | That's just it, I need to learn it. But at the same time, Linux has gotten to the point where everything is so stable and Just Works, I haven't had to mess with stuff. Especially not after getting my network set up with a proper router. |
| 20:05.57 | Sark | I used to have static IPs for everything... now I just ssh <hostname> |
| 20:06.26 | Sark | Not like all those hours beating on some old SparcStation I installed Linux on, trying to get it to cooperate. |
| 20:07.20 | jelly | sends Sark a Stop-A |
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| 20:09.54 | Sark | OK |
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| 20:11.11 | Sark | Now, the one thing I will NEVER get used to is the bug with the current version of su that doesn't add root's $PATH variables correctly. |
| 20:11.56 | Sark | Every. Single. Time. I'm like, wha? What the heck? It has to have that command, it's a standard command. Then eventually it clicks that I have to su - |
| 20:12.32 | greycat | !buster su |
| 20:12.32 | dpkg | In buster, su no longer overrides PATH by default, requiring that you use "su -" or "su -l" for login shells (which is not really a new thing at all...). See https://wiki.debian.org/NewInBuster#Changes for details. |
| 20:12.41 | greycat | the wiki has a workaround |
| 20:12.46 | jelly | if you used Solaris on that old sparc you'd have gotten used to "su -" |
| 20:12.59 | foxide | I was gonna say, that isn't a bug. That's how su has always worked. |
| 20:13.04 | Sark | Yes, and it frustrated me back then too :) |
| 20:13.12 | greycat | No, that is NOT how su always behaved on Debian. |
| 20:13.22 | greycat | It is completely new for *us* and annoying as fuck. |
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| 20:13.36 | jelly | it's how a program named "su" worked on many other OSes |
| 20:13.42 | greycat | that's true |
| 20:13.52 | Sark | Yeah - it was like that on SunOS. And it was annoying as hell then. |
| 20:14.02 | jelly | Debian is just catching up with the 1990s |
| 20:14.12 | Sark | Linux had the better version, that got engrained into my muscle memory, and now it's broken and I'm annoyed. lol |
| 20:14.25 | greycat | the wiki has a fix |
| 20:14.38 | jelly | and what's with ps that does both SYSV _and_ BSD syntax?! |
| 20:14.48 | greycat | AIX's ps is like that as well |
| 20:14.54 | jelly | at the same time?!?!?! |
| 20:15.04 | greycat | I don't remember the details very well, but yeah. |
| 20:15.06 | foxide | I never knew ps didn't do that. |
| 20:15.20 | jelly | ps -fe www |
| 20:15.28 | jelly | shakes head |
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| 20:15.39 | greycat | it does come in handy sometimes |
| 20:16.50 | Sark | greycat: Thank you! I can't believe I didn't see that before. I could have sworn I checked the docs when I hit that problem and there wasn't a fix. |
| 20:16.56 | zutat | hmm. i never thought of "su -" as nothing special, as i've always used it like that, but now that i think of it, - as the last parameter has a very different meaning almost everywhere else |
| 20:17.20 | greycat | I had an inferior workaround on the wiki originally, but I found this one more recently. |
| 20:18.03 | Sark | Ah, OK. Well, in any event, thank you for that. |
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| 20:18.19 | Sark | I'll go and put that file on all my machines now, so I can stop cursing at su. |
| 20:20.14 | Sark | And, also, this works right so you can run X applications as root without having to mess around with the display vairable (since su - whacks it) |
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| 20:26.58 | ice9 | what's the difference between setting a module option in /etc/modprobe.d/ or passing it as kernel parameter at boot time? |
| 20:28.46 | foxide | ice9: Are you running Debian or Arch? Given that you asked simultaneously in both channels. |
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| 20:56.56 | tharkun | kale: the wining line was: udiskctl mount -b /dev/sr0 after adding the proper fstab line. For some unknown reason it was missing. |
| 20:57.51 | kale | tharkun: interesting |
| 20:58.47 | tharkun | goes back to deep lurking |
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| 21:35.22 | ralinux | Hi guys, why even after adding deb http://oss.oracle.com/debian unstable main non-free in "etc/apt/sources.list" gives the error, "E: Unable to locate package oracle-xe |
| 21:35.22 | ralinux | " |
| 21:35.40 | ralinux | Debian Bullseye |
| 21:35.49 | greycat | either you added the wrong repo, or you didn't run apt-get update, or you used the wrong package name, or .... |
| 21:37.06 | ralinux | not 2ºoption, neither 3º i think |
| 21:37.32 | ralinux | and 1º option, where can I locate the right repo greycat? |
| 21:37.40 | greycat | ask oracle |
| 21:38.38 | ralinux | ok |
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| 21:54.51 | gribouille | hi |
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| 21:55.11 | karlpinc | !ask |
| 21:55.11 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/ See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 21:56.00 | gribouille | I want to buy a wifi usb stick ; are there any compatibility problems with Debian? |
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| 21:57.52 | allizom | gribouille: pay attention to the driver/firmware it requires: https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi#USB_Devices |
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| 22:03.08 | gribouille | how can I know the chipset used by a device beore buying it? |
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| 22:04.35 | allizom | try a search engine, or maybe a wikidevi clone |
| 22:05.02 | LtL | gribouille: these people are pretty honest about tha. https://www.thinkpenguin.com/ |
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| 22:08.46 | gribouille | aren't there any mainsteam models that are known to work well with Debian? |
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| 22:17.34 | alex11 | i've thought about buying from thinkpenguin beforer |
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| 22:17.36 | alex11 | before* |
| 22:17.43 | alex11 | but not sure what the reviews are like |
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| 22:24.33 | MrHatter123 | I have multiple debian boxes that I use SSH tunnels to connect to a vnc session |
| 22:25.17 | MrHatter123 | on 1 box, the vncviewer immediately rejects the tunnel, saying 'another use is already listening on this ID' |
| 22:25.33 | MrHatter123 | I have run out of clues to resolve this |
| 22:25.45 | MrHatter123 | I can telnet to localhost 5901 and get a response |
| 22:26.00 | MrHatter123 | Trying 127.0.0.1... |
| 22:26.01 | MrHatter123 | Connected to localhost. |
| 22:26.01 | MrHatter123 | Escape character is '^]'. |
| 22:26.01 | MrHatter123 | RFB 003.008 |
| 22:26.12 | MrHatter123 | which is the same on a working box |
| 22:26.21 | MrHatter123 | that I just tested and is working fine |
| 22:26.30 | oxek | gribouille: thinkpenguin has working wifi sticks |
| 22:26.41 | oxek | they are the only ones that 100% work with all distros |
| 22:26.45 | oxek | including debian |
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| 22:26.59 | oxek | but beware, they are old, slow, and expensive |
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| 22:27.08 | MrHatter123 | this is an ssh tunnel, could some weird NAT implementation on the modem in fromt of this box affect it ? |
| 22:28.09 | gribouille | oxek, I see |
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| 23:16.00 | buu | I'm using mv on a file between two ssds and mv is at 100% cpu usage |
| 23:16.04 | buu | A) this is annoying |
| 23:16.10 | buu | B) it's not going nearly fast enough to justify that |
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| 23:16.32 | buu | I'm on 4.19, anyone know if 5.x has any improvements to this? |
| 23:17.56 | sney | might, depending on hardware |
| 23:18.27 | sney | though high cpu usage on disk i/o implies more of a low level configuration issue, like not having the disks set to AHCI, or something similar as applies to your system |
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| 23:47.47 | jhutchins | MrHatter123: Clue: You don't need a GUI for remote management. |
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| 23:52.40 | MrHatter123 | jhutchins, no, but I want to see the screen of a windows server in a vm. |
| 23:54.47 | foxide | I personally would configure the servers for RDP. |
| 23:55.00 | foxide | s/servers/Windows servers/ |
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