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| 00:34.55 | zerocool | db* |
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| 03:20.57 | alex11 | what are some situations that might necessitate or strongly recommend a reinstall? |
| 03:21.16 | nevyn | compramise or suspected compramise. |
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| 03:21.19 | nevyn | frankendebian |
| 03:23.31 | sponix | dependency hell -- normally a product of FrankenDebian :) |
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| 03:42.11 | buu | Why the hell is cp using 100% cpu |
| 03:42.14 | buu | This is offensive |
| 03:42.49 | sponix | I would imagine it was single threaded, is it not ? |
| 03:43.16 | buu | it is |
| 03:43.58 | sponix | If maxing out 1 thread is hurting you. Might be time to upgrade to something made within the last 10 years |
| 03:43.59 | buu | But how does even a ssd max out a 2017 cpu |
| 03:44.09 | buu | sponix: it's a 7601! |
| 03:44.36 | buu | And what's worst is it's only doing like 400mibs |
| 03:44.59 | sponix | buu: sure you aren't running Windows 10 ? |
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| 03:45.41 | buu | sponix: I checked |
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| 03:50.02 | buu | This is obnoxious |
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| 03:50.57 | sponix | buu: we are talking standard "cp" going from one drive to another, or within the same drive ? |
| 03:51.04 | sponix | buu: do you have inxi installed ? |
| 03:51.23 | buu | sponix: one drive to another |
| 03:53.19 | sponix | buu: run this command in terminal and post the LINK it provides: inxi -Fxxxrzc0 | nc termbin.com 9999 |
| 03:53.44 | sponix | https://termbin.com/ltoc |
| 03:53.50 | sponix | should give you a link like mine |
| 03:55.40 | buu | That's an easier to remember url than clbin.com |
| 03:55.41 | buu | https://termbin.com/pi54 |
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| 03:59.24 | sponix | buu: that is a hell of a rig you got there |
| 04:00.06 | sponix | buu: I feel your CPU would be better supported on a higher LTS kernel 5.4 or even 5.10 |
| 04:00.28 | sponix | there might also be some scheduler optimizations for running with that many cores as well |
| 04:00.40 | sponix | v, linux-image-amd64 |
| 04:01.03 | sponix | ,v linux-image-amd64 |
| 04:01.04 | judd | Package: linux-image-amd64 on amd64 -- jessie: 3.16+63+deb8u2; jessie-security: 3.16+63+deb8u7; stretch-security: 4.9+80+deb9u6; stretch: 4.9+80+deb9u11; stretch-backports: 4.19+105+deb10u4~bpo9+1; buster-security: 4.19+105+deb10u7; buster: 4.19+105+deb10u8; buster-backports: 5.9.15-1~bpo10+1; bullseye: 5.10.9-1; sid: 5.10.9-1 |
| 04:01.26 | buu | Yeah |
| 04:01.39 | buu | Do I need to backport a 5.x kernel? |
| 04:02.18 | sponix | buu: well, you could easily install the 5.9.15 from the Buster Backports... OR, the other option is to backport your own from Sid |
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| 04:02.43 | sponix | buu: have you done this process before ? |
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| 04:03.35 | buu | I've used backports for other pacckages |
| 04:03.47 | buu | I don't remember last time I tried doing it with a kernel |
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| 04:05.24 | sponix | buu: is this server already in production. Or are you just now setting it up and testing it ? |
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| 04:12.59 | buu | sponix: well, homelab |
| 04:13.02 | buu | so I'm messing with it |
| 04:14.20 | sponix | buu: easy one would be: apt install -t buster-backports linux-headers-amd64 linux-image-amd64 -- because it looks like you already have Buster Backports in your sources |
| 04:14.41 | sponix | That would get you up to the 5.9.15, and should be a improvement over what you have currently |
| 04:15.13 | buu | sounds good |
| 04:15.49 | buu | Is there any way to tell which packages are installed from buster-backports right now? |
| 04:15.55 | buu | Because I don't remember doing that lol |
| 04:16.09 | sponix | wait one |
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| 04:19.13 | sponix | https://wiki.debian.org/Backports |
| 04:19.30 | sponix | it would actually be apt -t buster-backports install linux*blah |
| 04:20.56 | sponix | https://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ |
| 04:21.34 | buu | hokay |
| 04:22.14 | sponix | dpkg-query -W | grep '~bpo' |
| 04:22.20 | sponix | should list installed backports |
| 04:22.25 | sponix | goes to confirm |
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| 04:24.15 | buu | clever |
| 04:24.16 | buu | bind9-libs:amd64 1:9.16.8-1~bpo10+1 |
| 04:24.27 | buu | ok that's odd |
| 04:25.03 | sponix | why |
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| 05:06.02 | buu | Also why does Setting up linux-image-4.19.0-13-amd64 (4.19.160-2) ... take so long |
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| 05:07.50 | sney | if this is the same system with the slow i/o, probably because it's unpacking 3574 individual files into /lib/modules/4.19.0-13-amd64 |
| 05:08.57 | sponix | sney: what is the deal with his IO ? I recommended a 5.9+ kernel branch to have better EYPC support |
| 05:09.36 | sney | high cpu during disk activity smells like hardware misconfiguration, to me. |
| 05:11.28 | buu | sney: Yeah |
| 05:11.33 | buu | They're over pcie.. |
| 05:11.45 | sney | x86 PC systems have been able to mostly bypass the cpu for generic data i/o since DMA was invented in the 90s |
| 05:12.01 | sney | so something is wrong here |
| 05:12.20 | buu | /usr/bin/perl /var/lib/dpkg/info/linux-headers-5.9.0-0.bpo.5-amd64.postinst configure |
| 05:12.25 | buu | It's sleeping |
| 05:12.26 | buu | =[ |
| 05:12.54 | buu | wait4(90292, |
| 05:13.13 | buu | run-parts --report --exit-on-error --arg=5.9.0-0.bpo.5-amd64 /etc/kernel/header_postinst.d |
| 05:13.21 | buu | pselect6(6, [5], NULL, NULL, NULL, {[], 8} |
| 05:14.38 | buu | It's waiting on lr-x------ 1 root root 64 Jan 29 23:13 5 -> 'pipe:[1242089]' ? |
| 05:14.59 | sney | stuff that would normally take a couple seconds at most |
| 05:15.20 | sney | once dpkg finishes all of the postinst stuff, boot from 5.9, see if anything is different |
| 05:16.16 | sponix | sney: I honestly didn't know what else to recommend other than changing disk io schedulers and possibly cpu ones also |
| 05:16.36 | sponix | sney: think syslog would be spitting out something about IO this sluggish |
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| 05:17.15 | sney | maybe, though linux doesn't usually complain about being installed on naturally slow hardware, like a first gen rpi or a pentium 2 or whatever |
| 05:18.07 | sney | I think if it's not some missing driver support in 4.19, then the next thing to look at is efi updates from the vendor, and efi settings in general. |
| 05:18.39 | sney | maybe the motherboard mfg has some clever bullshit that auto-optimizes when windows is detected and runs in idiot mode otherwise. wouldn't be the first time. anyway, go low level. |
| 05:20.19 | sponix | sney: board is Super Micro though -- they are normally pretty legit for server/linux stuff |
| 05:21.04 | sney | congratulations, check anyway |
| 05:22.20 | sney | maybe they ship with everything turned down, to maximize compatibility. |
| 05:25.28 | buu | stat("/var/lib/dkms/spl/0.7.12/5.9.0-0.bpo.5-amd64/x86_64/spl_config.h", 0x7ffee0146880) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) |
| 05:25.31 | buu | stat("/bin/sleep", {st_mode=S_IFREG|0755, st_size=39552, ...}) = 0 |
| 05:25.32 | buu | hmph |
| 05:31.03 | sponix | buu: umm, why do you have spl for ZFS ? |
| 05:31.23 | sponix | are you using ZFS ? |
| 05:32.15 | buu | I am |
| 05:32.23 | sponix | you might mention these things :) |
| 05:32.37 | buu | Apparently the backports version doesn't need it any more, yay! |
| 05:32.52 | sponix | you are going to want zfs from the backports also -- version 0.8.6 at least of it to match the 5.9 kernel |
| 05:35.45 | buu | I am indeed |
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| 06:00.25 | mo1991 | ok, so question regarding what people are using in 2020 for their email/contact/calendar sync with debian. Thunderbird seems to have google contacts not working now that gcontactsync is not updated. Kontact sweet seems to have flaky calendar and kmail seems to contantly be syncing. Any suggestions? Of at least 2 working programs if there isn't one that does all- one for mail / contact - one for calendar that work well with gmail |
| 06:00.33 | mo1991 | in 2021?? |
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| 06:01.44 | sponix | might check "nextcloud" |
| 06:01.53 | sponix | think it covers all that, or at least most |
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| 07:54.52 | jezebel | Hello, how do I set up /etc/network/interfaces so that an interface doesn't become the default route? |
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| 08:03.09 | zerocool | jezebel: are you staticing the interfaces or dhcp? |
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| 08:06.27 | jezebel | static |
| 08:06.36 | jezebel | well this one is static |
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| 08:09.38 | zerocool | and you added a default gateway? |
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| 08:13.04 | jezebel | yes |
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| 08:19.27 | jezebel | so far i'm only knowing two workarounds: set to a very high metric so the interface route doesnt get used or a post-ifup script |
| 08:19.33 | jezebel | (to del the route) |
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| 08:20.20 | ratrace | jezebel: interface can't become a default route unless you set it up with a default route. you don't need a gateway on it. |
| 08:20.59 | jezebel | hmmm |
| 08:21.50 | jezebel | oh |
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| 08:24.00 | jezebel | ahhhh debian installer assumes that the NIC i set up in install is default gateway |
| 08:24.03 | jezebel | oops |
| 08:24.06 | jezebel | my bad |
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| 09:22.21 | wr | wanna install rambox on my debian, downloaded a Rambox-0.7.7-linux-amd64.deb should i install the software as root or the user? i tried doing it with root but when i start it it doesn't start, what could be the issue? |
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| 09:33.58 | wr | how would i remove on Debian XFCE mousepad keeping some packages like xfce4-weather-plugin or others? i just wanna remove Mousepad but i will mess my dependencies for sure |
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| 09:48.22 | ratrace | will you? tried apt remove -s mousepad? it's just a text editor, are there any massive dependencies on it? |
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| 09:48.43 | ratrace | (try that as non-root, with -s it'll simulate and only show you what woudl happen) |
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| 11:18.18 | Hex0r | what is the reason for end kernel panic not syncing : Attempted to kill init |
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| 11:18.49 | Hex0r | i had this problem with kali linux 5.10.x version |
| 11:18.50 | jelly | Hex0r, there's probably useful context _before_ that line |
| 11:18.52 | joze | hardware issue |
| 11:19.05 | jelly | !kali |
| 11:19.05 | dpkg | Kali Linux https://www.kali.org/ is a security/penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is different enough that we can't provide accurate support in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or https://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian> and read https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/bugs.html |
| 11:19.32 | Hex0r | other vm's are booting up in my virtual box. |
| 11:19.50 | jelly | Hex0r, ask the providers of your kernel and initrd images |
| 11:20.00 | joze | replace bad vm to another place |
| 11:20.17 | Hex0r | only after i did apt upgrade and rebooted then its stuck in loading with the said error |
| 11:20.33 | Hex0r | Jelly i asked in kali linux channel nobody answering |
| 11:20.47 | jelly | Hex0r, be patient |
| 11:21.14 | Hex0r | asked two days back |
| 11:21.32 | jelly | well, that tells you something about kali, then |
| 11:21.36 | Hex0r | asked today also but no response |
| 11:21.49 | jelly | maybe ask in their forums, ^ |
| 11:22.00 | Hex0r | or i submit bug report ? |
| 11:22.27 | jelly | or ask in ##linux if your distro is unresponsive |
| 11:22.49 | Hex0r | I removed the problematic version and now using 5.9 kernel version |
| 11:22.58 | jelly | but it's silly to ask a Debian channel for problems with stuff that doesn't exist in Debian at all |
| 11:23.07 | Hex0r | again tried full-upgrade but it says 0 upgraded |
| 11:23.34 | Hex0r | just wanted to try here |
| 11:24.31 | jelly | no problem. If you can reproduce the same issue on an actual Debian installation, we can try to help |
| 11:25.11 | jelly | but if you didn't install from a debian.org image this is probably not the right place to ask |
| 11:30.15 | jelly | joze, it is VERY unlikely that message, on its own, implies a hardware issue |
| 11:30.30 | jelly | [continued in ##linux] |
| 11:30.34 | joze | jelly: yeah sorry |
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| 11:32.32 | up_running | "zsh: command not found: dig" |
| 11:32.51 | up_running | I just installed Kali in VM workstation. Why am I getting this error? |
| 11:34.03 | Mr_Queue | It's pretty honest... |
| 11:34.18 | Mr_Queue | zsh isn't in your path |
| 11:34.39 | Mr_Queue | but I'm not sure how you got lost |
| 11:34.39 | up_running | I just tried to use `dig` though. |
| 11:34.51 | jelly | !kali |
| 11:34.51 | dpkg | Kali Linux https://www.kali.org/ is a security/penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is different enough that we can't provide accurate support in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or https://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian> and read https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/bugs.html |
| 11:34.55 | Mr_Queue | This is about Debian proper, not Kali. |
| 11:34.57 | Hex0r | dig -v |
| 11:35.01 | Hex0r | what dig version using |
| 11:35.15 | jelly | up_running, ^ that means you. Here's a free hint: install dnsutils package. |
| 11:35.25 | up_running | Hexor: it isn't found |
| 11:35.43 | up_running | jelly: ok, thank you. I thought dig was native to Kali/Debian. |
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| 11:36.02 | Mr_Queue | Welp, one less hacker in the world.. |
| 11:36.08 | Hex0r | ya dnsutils |
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| 11:36.27 | up_running | Mr_Queue: just trying to pass Sec+ |
| 11:36.34 | jelly | up_running, I don't know what's available in a default Kali installation; dnsutils are not installed by default on Debian. |
| 11:36.54 | up_running | ok, I'll install it now. |
| 11:37.07 | jelly | !apt-file |
| 11:37.07 | dpkg | apt-file is a utility used to find which package owns a given file - or list files in a package - even if it is not installed: "apt install apt-file && apt-file update" ; then "apt-file search filename" to see a list of packages containing filename (can also use a regular expression; see man apt-file). You can also search online, ask me about <pdo>. See also <judd-file>, <auto-apt>, <dlocate>. |
| 11:37.24 | jelly | up_running, ^ if your distro is debian-based you can probably use that. |
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| 11:37.45 | Mr_Queue | Ladies and Gents...................... Kali isn't Debian. |
| 11:38.05 | up_running | ty |
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| 11:38.18 | jelly | third contender will just receive a swift kick |
| 11:38.36 | jelly | up_running was the second this morning |
| 11:38.39 | Hex0r | try #kali-linux |
| 11:39.34 | up_running | ok, I'm there now. sorry again for the intrusion |
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| 11:49.52 | wr | can a RaspPi 4 8GB Ram with a SSD run Pure Debian? |
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| 12:23.52 | jelly | wr, are these pure enough? https://raspi.debian.net/tested-images/ |
| 12:25.22 | jelly | some firmware seems to be included |
| 12:25.27 | wr | jelly, ah great there are img |
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| 13:06.19 | ryszard | hey |
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| 13:06.33 | ryszard | what is patched version of sudo under Debian 9? |
| 13:09.46 | jle | karlpinc: ah, okey.. thanks |
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| 14:15.36 | wr | what can i use on Debian to manage my clipboard, was wondering if there is something on the cloud too |
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| 14:31.06 | jelly | RoyK, installed how? |
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| 14:36.49 | RoyK | jelly: https://raspi.debian.net/tested-images/ |
| 14:36.58 | RoyK | jelly: Linux rpi4-buster64 5.9.0-0.bpo.5-arm64 #1 SMP Debian 5.9.15-1~bpo10+1 (2020-12-31) aarch64 GNU/Linux |
| 14:38.06 | RoyK | jelly: seems the image came with empty root password, but no extra accout, so logging in via ssh didn't work - I just created a user manually from another machine by editing passwd,group and shadow and making the homedir |
| 14:38.21 | gdonald | pi:raspberry if memory serves |
| 14:38.46 | RoyK | gdonald: no such thing on that image |
| 14:39.03 | RoyK | gdonald: I tried that first, then looked into passwd/shadow/group |
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| 15:36.17 | HyP3r | Hello, I have a Debian here (raspbian) which is behaving a bit strange during package installations. After every installation of packages first two messages come up "Checking processes..." and "Checking Linux kernel..." and then always comes "Pending kernel upgrade: New kernel available. The current kernel version is 5.4.83-v7+, but version 5.4.83-v8+ is expected. The system does not automatically reboot to |
| 15:36.23 | HyP3r | load the new kernel. A reboot should be performed." Do you know where this is coming from and what is supposed to? |
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| 15:42.46 | Mister00X | HyP3r: you got a kernel upgrade and shall reboot your system to load it. |
| 15:43.11 | HyP3r | Mister00X: yeah I also thought that. But a reboot has no effect. I still get this message :/ |
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| 15:43.38 | Mister00X | HyP3r: then this is an rasbian problem .... so no idea |
| 15:43.50 | HyP3r | Hm. Ok |
| 15:44.37 | HyP3r | I'll ask at #raspbian :) |
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| 15:46.04 | RoyK | HyP3r: better try #raspberrypi |
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| 16:59.25 | Aurora_v_kosmose | I can't seem to get pulseeffects working on Debian. |
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| 17:26.49 | Aurora_v_kosmose | Seems that pulseeffects would require upgrading pulseaudio, but that breaks a bunch of other packages' dependencies. |
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| 17:32.53 | LtL | Aurora_v_kosmose: no, it doesn't need upgrading pulseaudio. |
| 17:34.39 | Aurora_v_kosmose | So, would you knwo what cuases this sort of error? : (pulseeffects:31791): pulseeffects-CRITICAL **: 16:57:10.929: sie: Failed to connect: Connection refused |
| 17:36.01 | LtL | Aurora_v_kosmose: localhost firewalling, maybe |
| 17:36.15 | Aurora_v_kosmose | localhost firewalling? |
| 17:36.31 | Aurora_v_kosmose | I'm not blocking any connections from localhost to localhost. |
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| 17:43.33 | twanny796 | how to install pdf2txt? |
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| 17:48.43 | sney | ,file bin/pdf2txt |
| 17:48.48 | judd | Search for bin/pdf2txt in buster/amd64: python3-pdfminer: usr/bin/pdf2txt |
| 17:48.54 | sney | twanny796: install that package ^ |
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| 17:54.42 | Aurora_v_kosmose | In cases where you know the name of a binary, or its path, apt-file can be helpful. Such as: apt-file search /usr/bin/pdf2txt |
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| 17:57.08 | derpadmin | always wondered why apt-file is not included by default |
| 17:57.14 | derpadmin | you have to install it right? |
| 17:57.22 | Aurora_v_kosmose | Yeah |
| 17:57.33 | derpadmin | while redhad had rpm -qa |
| 17:57.58 | derpadmin | always wonder why debian & debian based system did not have something similar by default |
| 17:58.05 | derpadmin | openbsd have pkg_info |
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| 17:58.52 | Aurora_v_kosmose | There's a few OSes which lack it entirely, notably Guix. |
| 17:59.11 | derpadmin | ah, never tried Guix |
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| 17:59.32 | derpadmin | I just think it is an important package management feature and should be included by default |
| 17:59.49 | derpadmin | searching for packages is a must |
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| 18:04.06 | Aurora_v_kosmose | It has package searching, but search by path is not possible. |
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| 18:05.57 | Aurora_v_kosmose | In large part this is because Guix is a source-based distro that incidentally also provides substitutes for most of its definitions. |
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| 18:07.20 | Aurora_v_kosmose | Save some edgecases, it works fairly well atop Debian |
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| 18:37.59 | twanny796 | how do I install pdftotxt? |
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| 18:39.21 | shtrb | Any perl users around should be made aware that perl.com had been hijacked , https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/perlcom-domain-stolen-now-using-ip-address-tied-to-malware/ |
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| 18:39.43 | Aurora_v_kosmose | Hm, did perl.com host any packages? |
| 18:39.52 | Aurora_v_kosmose | Or code |
| 18:40.34 | shtrb | could be used as cpan mirror |
| 18:40.53 | Aurora_v_kosmose | Ah, so some AUR & Guix packages might break. |
| 18:41.19 | Aurora_v_kosmose | Unless they didn't change any of the files and checksums still match, I guess. |
| 18:41.25 | shtrb | let's hope they used .org |
| 18:41.48 | shtrb | according to reports it used to deliver maleware in the past (the same ip) |
| 18:42.10 | sney | perl dot com hosts the upstream source for perl, which debian (and others) uses to build binary packages |
| 18:42.32 | shtrb | oh feces |
| 18:42.39 | Aurora_v_kosmose | Ah, well now. |
| 18:42.43 | nkuttler | !tell twanny796 about search |
| 18:43.57 | sney | but the uscan scripts used to get the new upstream version are precise about urls, so a malware vendor would have to match that precision to sneak something into debian. and it's not automated, the maintainer has to intentionally package the new version |
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| 18:46.02 | Aurora_v_kosmose | Not just that, the package maintainer has to not care about changes between versions at all |
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| 18:48.39 | sney | oh yes, and since it's perl, any upgrades usually involve a formal tradition with involvement from multiple developers |
| 18:49.38 | sney | pretty lofty stuff for a ransomware domain hijacker. not out of the question, of course. but I strongly doubt perl the software will be affected by this. |
| 18:50.22 | Aurora_v_kosmose | Running a diff between the last and new versions is usually good practice. |
| 18:50.46 | sney | at the very least. |
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| 19:42.50 | alex11 | how do i get xfce to use its native notification thing and not dunst? |
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| 19:44.54 | diogenes_ | alex11, it's in dbus services. |
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| 19:46.02 | alex11 | diogenes_, okay, how can i configure it? |
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| 19:48.44 | diogenes_ | alex11, cat /usr/share/dbus-1/services/org.xfce.xfce4-notifyd.Notifications.service |
| 19:49.47 | alex11 | diogenes_, https://paste.debian.net/1183376/ |
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| 19:51.28 | diogenes_ | alex11, ls /usr/share/dbus-1/services/ |
| 19:52.38 | alex11 | https://paste.debian.net/1183377/ |
| 19:52.42 | HD|Laptop | hey all. what's the current status of Thunderbolt 3 support in Debian? I have an old Mac Pro 4.1 and tried to install an Asus ThunderboltEX 3 card into it |
| 19:52.54 | HD|Laptop | but it isn't even detected in lspci |
| 19:53.07 | HD|Laptop | is it possible I need some firmware blob for early bring-up? |
| 19:53.16 | karlpinc | lspci -nn run as root? |
| 19:53.20 | HD|Laptop | or is it because the Mac doesn't execute option ROMs? |
| 19:53.31 | HD|Laptop | karlpinc yep, did a diff with and without the card installed, no change |
| 19:53.52 | karlpinc | Interesting |
| 19:54.18 | HD|Laptop | the card itself supplies 5V on both the TB and USB-A port, so it's at least working at a fundamental level |
| 19:54.24 | jelly | HD|Laptop, isn't tb3 just a PCIe bridge? |
| 19:54.34 | HD|Laptop | way more than that |
| 19:54.57 | HD|Laptop | in my case, I'm after the transport for video data that this card offers - a displayport pass-thru |
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| 19:55.38 | jelly | sounds like you'd need help from the GPU / motherboard chipset to do that |
| 19:55.59 | HD|Laptop | nah, someone got the card working under macos, out of the box |
| 19:56.09 | HD|Laptop | it has a miniDP-in for that ;) |
| 19:56.20 | HD|Laptop | the core problem is i'm not sure if the card isn't shot |
| 19:56.33 | HD|Laptop | and i don't have another PC to test it on |
| 19:57.02 | karlpinc | I suppose you could try another slot... |
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| 19:57.38 | HD|Laptop | i was wondering if lspci can also detect cards it has no driver for, or if there's a way in linux to do a really low level emulation via smbus/jtag |
| 19:57.42 | HD|Laptop | *enumeration |
| 19:57.51 | HD|Laptop | tried all slots in the machine to no avail |
| 19:58.15 | alex11 | diogenes_, ^ sorry forgot to ping, i posted the output |
| 19:59.42 | jelly | lspci would in fact show devices there are no drivers for, provided they initialized their PCIe / PCI functions properly |
| 20:00.15 | diogenes_ | alex11, move org.knopwob.dunst.service out of that dir. |
| 20:00.25 | alex11 | gotcha |
| 20:01.46 | HD|Laptop | @jelly hmm. that's what I was afraid of. is there a way for linux to run card option ROMs, since the Mac doesn't have a traditional BIOS? |
| 20:02.00 | jelly | HD|Laptop, under macos on the very same mac / motherboard, or with some other hw platform? |
| 20:02.17 | HD|Laptop | @jelly macos on same mac model |
| 20:02.40 | HD|Laptop | there was nothing mentioned of firmware flashing or other weird stuff like with the TB 2 cards |
| 20:05.19 | HD|Laptop | https://github.com/ameyrupji/thunderbolt-macpro-5-1/blob/master/ThunderboltEX3.md that's the guide |
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| 20:07.29 | jelly | you said yours was a 4.1 not 5.1 |
| 20:07.44 | LEGITtimeTRAVELE | It was 19.5 |
| 20:07.57 | LEGITtimeTRAVELE | Covid |
| 20:07.59 | jelly | !kick LEGITtimeTRAVELE |
| 20:07.59 | dpkg | kicks LEGITtimeTRAVELE in the crotch. |
| 20:08.11 | LEGITtimeTRAVELE | Lol |
| 20:08.25 | LEGITtimeTRAVELE | !kick dpkg |
| 20:08.25 | dpkg | kicks dpkg in the crotch. |
| 20:08.27 | LEGITtimeTRAVELE | Lol |
| 20:08.39 | LEGITtimeTRAVELE | >greentext |
| 20:08.40 | HD|Laptop | jelly they're identical, the only difference is firmware and a CPU socket that can accept stock CPUs from Intel and not only de-lidded ones |
| 20:09.02 | LEGITtimeTRAVELE | HD|Laptop: delid anyway |
| 20:09.04 | HD|Laptop | hmm... firmware, that brings me to an idea. maybe i should try to upgrade it |
| 20:09.08 | LEGITtimeTRAVELE | Pro strats |
| 20:09.20 | LEGITtimeTRAVELE | Liquid metal |
| 20:09.27 | HD|Laptop | not that the firmware is from 2009 since that thing was used as a linux server |
| 20:09.32 | LEGITtimeTRAVELE | -8°c |
| 20:09.46 | LEGITtimeTRAVELE | + -8°c |
| 20:09.54 | LEGITtimeTRAVELE | Coz it's a plus |
| 20:10.01 | LEGITtimeTRAVELE | To have minus temp |
| 20:10.30 | LEGITtimeTRAVELE | I'm here to learn about how much I don't know about computers |
| 20:10.34 | LEGITtimeTRAVELE | xD |
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| 20:12.22 | jelly | LEGITtimeTRAVELE, this is a tech support oriented channel for Debian; if you want to chat and don't have an immediate issue to solve with your Debian installation, there are other channels like #debian-offtopic or ##chat |
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| 20:13.18 | LEGITtimeTRAVELE | K, sorry, an thanks |
| 20:13.29 | LEGITtimeTRAVELE | ! Kickjelly |
| 20:13.36 | LEGITtimeTRAVELE | ! Lick |
| 20:13.39 | LEGITtimeTRAVELE | Fffffff |
| 20:13.48 | LEGITtimeTRAVELE | !lick jelly |
| 20:13.48 | dpkg | licks legittimetravele *SHLUUURRRRPPP* |
| 20:13.49 | LEGITtimeTRAVELE | * |
| 20:14.39 | LEGITtimeTRAVELE | >[Astric] |
| 20:15.22 | jelly | LEGITtimeTRAVELE, srsly, no more noise please |
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| 20:33.40 | GenTooMan | any suggestions on how to find the package for glade 3.8? seems that is the last variant of glade to support GTK 2. |
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| 20:44.17 | Betal | do this really affect debian buster? don't works when I try on systemd-nspawn running debian (host as archlinux) https://twitter.com/bl4sty/status/1355611501663498240 |
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| 20:46.47 | Azrael_- | hi |
| 20:48.56 | sney | not clear if that's 1.8.27-1+deb10u3, which is the sudo upload from a few days ago with the fix for the original cve |
| 20:49.25 | jelly | ,v glade |
| 20:49.25 | Betal | yea, I did a apt-get update/upgrade |
| 20:49.26 | judd | Package: glade on amd64 -- jessie: 3.18.3-1; stretch: 3.20.0-2+deb9u1; buster: 3.22.1-3; bullseye: 3.38.2-1; sid: 3.38.2-2 |
| 20:49.32 | Azrael_- | i try to set up an ssh remote port forwarding using ssh but it always only listens on localhost. this is the output even with debugging information: https://pastebin.com/eYrDxcbv can anybody give me a hint? |
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| 20:49.56 | jelly | GenTooMan, either snapshot.debian.org or rummage thru old releases on archive.debian.org |
| 20:50.58 | Betal | sney: on his instructions (1 post before this) about the same but ubuntu-only exploit, he only run vagrant/run/ssh/make and run the exploit, so Iam not sure if he testing on no upgraded system |
| 20:51.17 | jelly | GenTooMan, Debian 7 (wheezy) already had 3.12.1 so it's going to have to e something older than wheezy |
| 20:52.38 | jelly | Azrael_-, GatewayPorts, man sshd_config |
| 20:53.29 | jelly | Azrael_-, disabled by default since it's a huge risk |
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| 20:54.13 | sney | Betal: indeed, and if you couldn't reproduce the exploit yourself, it's safe to assume he's exploiting a buster install without buster-security, or otherwise pre 2020-01-27 |
| 20:54.50 | Azrael_- | jelly: thanks a lot! |
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| 20:55.19 | jelly | dpkg: cve lookup CVE-2021-3156 |
| 20:55.19 | dpkg | Information about the security advisory CVE-2021-3156 may be found at https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2021-3156 |
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| 20:57.08 | Azrael_- | yeah, i know, but here it is extremely useful to punch a hole into my lan for testing purposes |
| 20:59.47 | Betal | sney: my /etc/apt/sources.list only have deb https://deb.debian.org/debian buster main, was supose to be vulnerable, also "dpkg -l | grep sudo" sudo 1.8.27-1+deb10u2 |
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| 21:04.22 | sponix | sney: did that guy with the EPYC rig have better luck with IO after the kernel branch update ? |
| 21:04.54 | sney | sponix: I don't know, left shortly after |
| 21:05.04 | Betal | sney, jelly: https://paste.rs/4bQ maybe this last 'exploit' he released don't works, or it don't works inside systemd-nspawn |
| 21:05.21 | sney | maybe. |
| 21:05.24 | sney | !buster-security |
| 21:05.25 | dpkg | On Debian 10 "Buster" systems, there are two repositories that you should have in your sources.list aside from your main mirror. You should have an entry for "buster/updates" which is security updates (ask me about <security>) and also an entry for "buster-updates" which is other updated packages. See also <sources.list>. |
| 21:05.31 | sponix | sney: his responses were so slow I fell asleep lol |
| 21:05.50 | jelly | Betal, it does not work if you system is up to date. See dpkg bot's link above. |
| 21:06.28 | jelly | 1.8.27-1+deb10u2 is supposed to be vulnerable |
| 21:06.36 | Betal | yes, thats the point |
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| 21:07.31 | jelly | Betal, it's also possible that the exploit only works on the sudo package from 10.0 debian and not _any_ newer one |
| 21:07.49 | sponix | ii sudo 1.8.27-1+deb10u3 amd64 Provide limited super user privileges to specific users |
| 21:08.22 | jelly | Betal, even if the vulnerability is there, the exploit code might not be perfect to trigger it on any build |
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| 21:11.22 | jelly | Betal, try to downgrade sudo to 1.8.27-1 from snapshot.d.o |
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| 21:15.01 | Betal | jelly: tested in systemd-nspawn too, with ubuntu focal, the exploit works, (sudo 1.8.31-1ubuntu1) |
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| 21:15.26 | Betal | jelly: letme see how to downgrade |
| 21:17.44 | Betal | jelly: was thinking to change the sources.list, but probably easier to download the package and install with dpkg |
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| 21:24.24 | Betal | jelly: don't works with 1.8.27-1 too |
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| 21:43.47 | jhutchins | Hm, factoid lists buster/updates twice. |
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| 22:42.02 | ryouma | to answer my own question, # "You only need defaults if the field would otherwise be empty." # https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/191405/do-you-need-to-specify-the-defaults-option-in-fstab |
| 22:42.33 | ryouma | so all those examples out there with defaults,noatime etc. could be just noatime etc. |
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| 22:45.22 | jhutchins | ryouma: There are default settings, depending on the filesystem. |
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| 22:47.42 | ryouma | if the answer is to be believed, however, they are default whether you specify them or not |
| 22:48.49 | ryouma | thus errors=remount-ro is the same as defaults,errors=remount-ro, etc. |
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| 22:51.25 | ryouma | (i presume this also is true whether they are the ones that are common to all fses or the ones that are specific to each fs) |
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| 22:59.26 | RandomMan33 | I'm having an issue that I am having a really difficult time solving. I am trying to update the root password via recovery however I get the error "Authentication token manipulation error", when running sudo I get the error "account validation failure, is your account locked?". Any ideas would be helpful |
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| 23:09.48 | jhutchins | ryouma: I don't currently have a broad range of distros to look at, but in the past the defaults would vary from system to system, |
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| 23:15.13 | ryouma | jhutchins: i am talking about fstab specification, and mount specification. it seems from the link that specifying the string "defaults," is always redundant. are you saying htat is not true? |
| 23:15.48 | ryouma | i can believe that they also vary from system to system |
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| 23:17.09 | ryouma | and i am guessing htat also does not matter for whether you have to specify that string |
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| 23:23.36 | GenTooMan | jelly thanks I asked because I can't build 3.8 I suppose I may have to migrate the application to GTK 3 and glade 3 |
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