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| 00:09.04 | jezebel | is apt --no-install-recommends recursive? |
| 00:09.57 | sney | yes, if you mean what I think you do |
| 00:10.35 | jezebel | as in recommends of dependencies |
| 00:11.45 | sney | right. to the best of my knowledge, --no-install-recommends disables recommends for any package in the current apt run. |
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| 00:14.22 | jezebel | cool |
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| 00:30.47 | jezebel | what's the difference between xorg and xserver-xorg? |
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| 00:31.04 | jezebel | xorg is the client? |
| 00:31.24 | sney | xorg is the source package, xserver-xorg is one of the binaries it produces |
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| 00:31.49 | sney | xorg clients are your applications, your browser, your word processor, etc |
| 00:32.51 | sney | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_Window_System |
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| 01:08.24 | jezebel | heh both chromium and firefox are missing in testing :D |
| 01:08.46 | jezebel | s/missing in/removed from/ |
| 01:09.17 | sney | firefox is not eligible for stable, so it's never in testing. check for firefox-esr. |
| 01:09.31 | sney | chromium... is a whole situation. but it's in sid and currently usable on testing, anyway |
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| 01:13.35 | jezebel | yeah i ment firefox-esr has been removed too |
| 01:15.45 | themill | firefox-esr is in testing |
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| 01:16.42 | jezebel | oh |
| 01:16.49 | sney | ,v firefox-esr |
| 01:16.50 | judd | Package: firefox-esr on amd64 -- jessie: 52.8.1esr-1~deb8u1; stretch-updates: 60.6.3esr-1~deb9u1; jessie-security: 68.9.0esr-1~deb8u2; stretch: 68.10.0esr-1~deb9u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 68.10.0esr-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 68.10.0esr-1~deb9u1; buster: 78.5.0esr-1~deb10u1; buster-proposed-updates: 78.6.1esr-1~deb10u1; bullseye: 78.6.1esr-1; buster-security: 78.7.0esr-1~deb10u1; |
| 01:16.51 | judd | sid: 78.7.0esr-1 |
| 01:17.06 | themill | ,v firefox-esr --release testing |
| 01:17.07 | judd | Package: firefox-esr on amd64 -- bullseye: 78.6.1esr-1 |
| 01:17.14 | themill | (for a shorter output) |
| 01:17.38 | sney | could probably trim jessie from the default output too, while you're here :) |
| 01:17.39 | jezebel | ahhh |
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| 01:24.52 | themill | sney: yeah, there's a rather long todo list of things like that |
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| 09:20.17 | ratrace | oops, sorry, I was waaaay up in the scrollback. |
| 09:21.33 | ratrace | (aaand you found that out yourself, k) |
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| 11:02.16 | unborn | is there any way to run script before shutdown and reboot? |
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| 11:11.08 | ratrace | unborn: https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd-halt.service.html |
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| 11:11.31 | ratrace | read the part about execing scripts in /usr/lib/systemd/system-shutdown/ |
| 11:11.44 | ratrace | (I mean, read it all, and especially that part) |
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| 11:15.43 | unborn | ratrace: thanks.. this should work then https://paste.topfreelancer.co.uk/3bebb4 |
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| 11:17.40 | ratrace | unborn: well that's one way, but that way has one problem, doesn't differentiate explicit stop from system shutdown. scripts under systemd/system-shutdown/ are supposed to be run by the halt target explicitly |
| 11:18.49 | unborn | ratrace: I understood/ but I don't have /system-shutdown/ folder. shall I just create it? |
| 11:19.34 | ratrace | unborn: yes. how come you don't have it? is that debian? |
| 11:19.43 | unborn | yap |
| 11:21.08 | unborn | cdown: /usr/lib/systemd/systemd-shutdown/: No such file or directory |
| 11:21.32 | unborn | I mean cd: /usr/lib/systemd/systemd-shutdown/: No such file or directory |
| 11:21.48 | ratrace | mkdir it then. and the scripts in it have to be +x (executable) |
| 11:23.27 | unborn | ratrace: thanks |
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| 11:53.51 | shtrb | Is there anything else that I need to run for dkms packages to be rebuilt other than " /usr/lib/dkms/dkms_autoinstaller start `uname -r`" ? |
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| 12:00.13 | cixx | hi. |
| 12:00.40 | cixx | i installed a version of debian docker image and it does not have all locales. how can i install all locales? |
| 12:00.42 | ratrace | shtrb: maybe build for all the kernels currently usable |
| 12:01.34 | cixx | i see there is dpkg-reconfigure locales command but how can i do that with non-interactive way |
| 12:01.39 | ratrace | cixx: apt install locales, for regular debian. "docker images" could be a world of its own tho |
| 12:03.12 | ratrace | cixx: you can edit /etc/locale-gen and enable those you want, then re run locale-gen |
| 12:03.20 | shtrb | ratrace, there is no option "build" for it (or did you mean to call "start" for each kernel I have installed , which I already done) . |
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| 12:04.00 | ratrace | shtrb: well yes. that script is a convenience script around `dkms` which you can use directly as well, but is more verbose with required params |
| 12:04.45 | shtrb | oh |
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| 12:05.39 | ratrace | shtrb: I mean, "running dkms" is about building and installing (out of tree) kernel modules. |
| 12:06.18 | shtrb | I'm used to dkms packages always auto building on kernel upgrade, but here for the first time (moving from 10.6 to 10.7 ) it did not |
| 12:06.23 | ratrace | so when I said "maybe build for all the kernels" I meant run that for all the versions in /boot, not just uname -r . |
| 12:06.44 | shtrb | Yes, I got it |
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| 12:07.39 | shtrb | I just don't see the regular output which I'm used for auto install , dkms status says "4.19.0-13-amd64, x86_64: installed" (I'm on it) |
| 12:07.41 | ratrace | shtrb: problem with dkms is that if you have upgrade to BOTH the dkms modules and the kernel, it's a tricky dance. the way I do it, I "hold" dkms packages until I've upgraded and rebooted into the new kernel, then I unhold them and upgrade them |
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| 12:09.11 | ratrace | also, you're bumping to 10.7 only now, note that 10.8 is coming up in a week or so |
| 12:10.45 | shtrb | \_()_/ |
| 12:12.49 | shtrb | ratrace, we are going to even have bullseye in a few weeks (or months) |
| 12:14.01 | ratrace | that too |
| 12:14.14 | ratrace | my bet is 13.06 :) |
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| 12:16.25 | shtrb | :) |
| 12:20.36 | banym | if I need to run bullsey now on a machine, is it possible to go to stable later after bullsey is released as stable? |
| 12:21.43 | ratrace | banym: yes. if you keep the name "bullseye" instead of "testing" in apt sources, the transition will be transparent |
| 12:22.17 | ratrace | infact, that's primarily the recommendation, as using "testing" can lead to unexpected situations in forgetful circumstances. :) |
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| 12:23.27 | banym | ratrace, thx o.k thats perfect. afert it is released to i have to enable updates again with bullseye again I predict or? |
| 12:24.12 | ratrace | yes and security |
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| 12:50.37 | antto | ,v gcc-arm-none-eabi |
| 12:50.38 | judd | Package: gcc-arm-none-eabi on amd64 -- jessie: 4.8.4-1+11-1; stretch: 15:5.4.1+svn241155-1; buster: 15:7-2018-q2-6; bullseye: 15:8-2019-q3-1+b1; sid: 15:8-2019-q3-1+b1 |
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| 12:51.07 | HD|Laptop | Hello all |
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| 12:51.46 | HD|Laptop | I'm trying to set three sysctl parameters... but I always have to set them after boot by hand (/proc/sys/net/bridge/bridge-nf-call-iptables , arptables, ip6tables) |
| 12:52.10 | HD|Laptop | Why does neither /etc/sysctl.conf nor a file /etc/sysctl.d/bridge.conf stick? |
| 12:53.05 | ratrace | probably not sysctl's at all? |
| 12:53.38 | HD|Laptop | They are, setting by hand works |
| 12:53.58 | ratrace | HD|Laptop: give an example please, and pastebin the contents of the bridge.conf sysctl.d |
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| 12:55.01 | HD|Laptop | @ratrace "echo 0 > /proc/sys/net/bridge/bridge-nf-call-iptables" works when doing manually. Content of file is "net.bridge.bridge-nf-call-iptables = 0" |
| 12:55.34 | HD|Laptop | Hmm some obscure reddit post for archlinux suggested that maybe br_netfilter module should be loaded in the initramfs? |
| 12:55.35 | ratrace | echo 0 is not the same as sysctl -w |
| 12:57.18 | ratrace | HD|Laptop: yeah, the order of module loading is important too, it's possible it's loaded later in the boot chain and not affected by the sysctl systemd service |
| 12:57.32 | ratrace | you can force-load them at boot via /etc/modules |
| 12:57.50 | HD|Laptop | Yeah, that did the trick. Sigh. |
| 12:58.06 | HD|Laptop | Maybe there should be a warning about that one in the readme file :'D |
| 12:58.16 | HD|Laptop | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/procps/+bug/50093 |
| 12:58.23 | HD|Laptop | That bug is *old* |
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| 13:01.30 | ratrace | the bug is irrelevant. you can ahve modules loaded hours, days, weeks, after boot |
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| 13:23.05 | Lope | ratrace, are you around bro, I'm trying to script the mount unshare thing |
| 13:23.21 | Lope | ratrace, trying to figure out how to do the exit from it and keep my script running |
| 13:24.06 | ratrace | Lope: yeah |
| 13:24.42 | Lope | I need to run exit twice once to exit the chroot, and another time to exit the unshare mount |
| 13:25.01 | Lope | so I've done the chroot thing where I call my script via env and the chroot command. |
| 13:25.33 | Lope | but that's not actually working yet. but once I get it working, how can I get out of the unshare mount? |
| 13:26.04 | ratrace | Lope: unshare takes a position param for program to run, so you can give a script to it |
| 13:26.06 | Lope | it's a pity bash doesn't have a more intelligent `exit` |
| 13:26.19 | ratrace | in essence you need _three_ scripts (which can be ONE script called in three separate contexts) |
| 13:26.20 | Lope | ratrace, whoa, mind exploded there. |
| 13:26.26 | Lope | yes! |
| 13:26.31 | Lope | okay, that'll do it lolz |
| 13:26.36 | Lope | inception. |
| 13:27.10 | ratrace | 1) outside the unshare, that calls unshare --mount /path/to/level_2 2) level_2 that does mounts for proc, sysft, rbound dev, ... and calls chroot /path/to/level_3 3) level_3 that does the "inside chroot" thingies |
| 13:27.26 | ratrace | *sysfs |
| 13:29.03 | Lope | cry laughing emoji, okay, thanks, I guess XD aah, this is gonna be fun. |
| 13:29.29 | Lope | it is actually fun. but, wow. it's crazy shit. |
| 13:31.46 | Lope | ratrace, when you run unshare --mount /path/to/level_2 can you pass in env vars? or must you use env? |
| 13:31.54 | Lope | like with chroot |
| 13:32.12 | ratrace | don't know, TIAS |
| 13:32.49 | ratrace | using env(1) always removes the doubt tho :) |
| 13:34.01 | Lope | ratrace, cool, BTW am I right in assuming that `chroot ... myScript` and `unshare --mount myScript` are blocking? |
| 13:34.16 | Lope | meaning that the script execution will wait for the called thing to exit? |
| 13:34.17 | ratrace | yes |
| 13:34.20 | Lope | Cool :) |
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| 13:35.54 | ratrace | PSA: any admins who use SpamCop in any capacity (eg. spamassassing enables by default), the domain spamcop.net has expired, so the DNSBL is now generating false positives; disable spamcop tests until this gets resolved |
| 13:36.19 | ratrace | PSA: (perlites and perl users: y'all have seen the perl.com news too, I reckon?) |
| 13:38.04 | Lope | haha, can't remember if I'm using spamCop. |
| 13:38.20 | Lope | SpamAssassin yes |
| 13:38.40 | ratrace | SpamAssassin on debian uses spamcop by default, comment it out in /etc/spamassassin/v310.pre |
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| 13:44.55 | Lope | ratrace, ah, thanks, will check it out. When are they going to sort it out? |
| 13:45.11 | ratrace | I'll check my crystall ball, get back to you :) |
| 13:45.19 | Lope | Thanks :) |
| 13:45.41 | Lope | loadplugin Mail::SpamAssassin::Plugin::SpamCop |
| 13:45.54 | abrotman | there's a thread on mailop about it, though, not much useful information |
| 13:46.36 | ratrace | I do wonder however if this really is linked to the perl.com theft, as THAT's apparently part of a bigger theft incident, according to some slashdot comments |
| 13:46.49 | Lope | ratrace, is there a good URL to follow for when the issue is resolved? |
| 13:47.11 | ratrace | dunno, I got the wind of this via postfix users ML |
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| 13:48.01 | ratrace | %s/apparently/allegedly/ |
| 13:48.07 | Lope | ratrace, do you use SoGo? |
| 13:48.16 | Lope | SOGo or whatever |
| 13:48.42 | ratrace | ycombinator, not slashdot ..... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25940240 |
| 13:48.50 | ratrace | Lope: what's that? |
| 13:49.43 | Lope | ratrace, it's some sort of automagic helper for email clients to figure out what smtp and pop server to use |
| 13:50.53 | Lope | ratrace, because I have email on example-email-domain.TLD but my mailserver is example-mailserver.TLD |
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| 13:51.16 | Lope | So far I haven't found any email clients that can figure out the correct mailserver to use based on the mx records. It's crazy. |
| 13:51.23 | shtrb | reminder that perl.com is hacked and people shouldn't use perl.com in any of yourservices like cpan |
| 13:51.36 | abrotman | Lope: there are SRV records that can be used |
| 13:51.54 | Lope | abrotman, thanks, do you have any links about this? :) |
| 13:53.55 | ratrace | srv records .... depends if the client is using them. for example, thunderbird is not. |
| 13:54.43 | abrotman | Lope: RFC6186, obviously depends on the client uspporting them. I thought Thunderbird did now. But Thunderbird can also look for a web URL to configure as well. Google is going to be a better place to search than me |
| 13:55.38 | abrotman | it depends which client most of your users are using |
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| 13:55.48 | shtrb | Lope, don't forget to setup MTA-STS |
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| 13:56.30 | shtrb | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:56.47 | abrotman | Oh, I like MTA-STS, and TLSRPT :) |
| 13:56.48 | ratrace | .... or DANE |
| 13:56.57 | ratrace | DANE > MTA-STS tho |
| 13:57.00 | abrotman | yes, it is |
| 13:57.06 | abrotman | but most people are scared of DNSSEC |
| 13:57.12 | shtrb | Why not both ? |
| 13:57.19 | abrotman | shtrb: you should, if you can |
| 13:57.25 | ratrace | heh. they should be, if they're using systemd-resolved (cough, ubuntu, cough) :) |
| 13:57.26 | abrotman | (and really, TLSRPT is nice too) |
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| 13:58.10 | Lope | shtrb, what is .well-known ? |
| 13:58.17 | ratrace | ACME! |
| 13:58.43 | Lope | ah, the TLS certificate handshake thing? |
| 13:58.47 | abrotman | Lope: MTA-STS requires a policy file at a given URL, and part of that URL is /.well-known/ |
| 13:58.54 | Lope | rings a bell from letsencrypt stuff |
| 13:59.09 | ratrace | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_/.well-known/_services_offered_by_webservers |
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| 14:01.33 | abrotman | And don't forget message authentication |
| 14:02.10 | Lope | ratrace, thanks, I'll check that out |
| 14:02.15 | Lope | ratrace, DANE? |
| 14:02.17 | kale | when is stretch end of life? |
| 14:02.41 | abrotman | Lope: TLS validation via DNSSEC, RFC6698 |
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| 14:02.57 | node1 | Hello, Looking for a way to generate Release.gpg file in debian iso file. As i'm using it for local repository. |
| 14:03.06 | shtrb | kale, June 2021 |
| 14:03.17 | Lope | abrotman, ah, but that's not related to mail clients discovering what IMAP or SMTP server to use |
| 14:03.29 | kale | shtrb: thanks, too soon for me though :-) |
| 14:03.37 | abrotman | Lope: Yes, and no .. but probably not important to you at the moment |
| 14:03.46 | shtrb | kale, sorry 2022 not 2021 |
| 14:03.52 | Lope | so MTA-STS, TLSRPT, DANE are all things to increase security, not make stuff work? :) |
| 14:04.00 | ratrace | Lope: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNS-based_Authentication_of_Named_Entities |
| 14:04.08 | ratrace | Lope: correct |
| 14:04.15 | ratrace | these are all optional, but very nice to have |
| 14:04.17 | abrotman | Lope: both DANE for SMTP and MTA-STS are focused on mta-to-mta communications. If you want to talk about TLS to the MTA from the MUA, you might want to look at REQUIRETLS |
| 14:04.35 | Lope | ratrace, what DNS server do you like? |
| 14:04.40 | kale | ia have a system that i just switched from stretch to buster, by reinstalling. it runs headless as a kvm host, but after going to buster i have had 2 times the system becomes unresponsive. there is nothing in the logs. any ideas? |
| 14:04.40 | ratrace | my own :) |
| 14:04.43 | ratrace | Lope: ^ |
| 14:05.02 | Lope | ratrace, do you like pdns? |
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| 14:05.25 | ratrace | Lope: oh what DNS software? Bind FTW. |
| 14:05.46 | kale | shtrb: ahh then i can downgrade back to stretch anyways, great |
| 14:05.49 | Lope | bind!? but it gets so much hate for being old and bloated |
| 14:06.14 | shtrb | kale, june 2022 would come faster |
| 14:06.19 | ratrace | Lope: ehhh what? :) |
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| 14:07.09 | Lope | eh, I dunno. When I was choosing a DNS server back in 2013 I was very RAM constrained. So my research lead me to consider everything other than BIND. |
| 14:07.35 | Lope | Since then I've been using pdns and it's alright etc, so I just keep using it. |
| 14:07.43 | Lope | I like that it uses a DB. |
| 14:08.20 | kale | shtrb: i always considere buster incomplete, so my hope is that i can go from stretch directly to whatever comes after buster. i had the same feelings about jessie. |
| 14:08.22 | ratrace | Lope: I suppose there's nothing wrong with pdns if you like it. |
| 14:08.34 | ratrace | kale: lolwut |
| 14:08.46 | node1 | How do i generate Release.gpg (detached gpg signature). ? I have mounted the .iso image, looking for a way to generate Release.gpg . |
| 14:09.18 | Lope | kale, unresponsive can mean many things. Did you perhaps have the network link go down? that's been the biggest source of problems for me with servers going "down" Realcrap. I mean Realtek ethernet. |
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| 14:09.48 | Lope | Changing kernel versions can cause Realcrap to stop working. |
| 14:09.53 | kale | Lope: the light in the motherboard was on. it did not respond to icmp, it did not respond to acpi poweroff |
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| 14:10.35 | Lope | kale, ah, sounds fucked. I'd start with memtest, and also run the install on other hardware and see if it's stable on another system. Maybe your hardware is faulty. |
| 14:10.48 | Lope | kale, check your dmesg and syslog |
| 14:10.54 | ratrace | kale: instead of downgrading the whole OS, try upgrading the kernel to backports |
| 14:10.59 | kale | notinh in syslog or dmesg |
| 14:11.09 | ratrace | whole system lock up like that _could_ be caused by misbehaving hypervisor, yes |
| 14:11.22 | shtrb | kale, speaking from experince expect problems like that. |
| 14:11.23 | Lope | kale, have you enabled the persistent systemd logs thing? if not, you won't see your crash event. |
| 14:11.40 | ratrace | Lope: it's forwarded to syslog tho |
| 14:11.45 | kale | Lope: i have not, can you guide me? |
| 14:12.30 | ratrace | it's not needed, by default on debian journald forwards to rsyslog, so all the stuff is in /var/log/syslog by default, kernel specific facility in kern.log |
| 14:12.31 | shtrb | ratrace, by default stuff would be written to syslog |
| 14:12.45 | ratrace | shtrb: mistab? :) |
| 14:12.58 | kale | what is " persistent systemd logs thing" anyways? |
| 14:13.16 | shtrb | A facility in systemd journald that allow you to see logs from previous boots |
| 14:13.28 | shtrb | it's syslog for poor people :P |
| 14:13.30 | Lope | kale, `printf "Storage=persistent \n MaxLevelStore=debug \n MaxLevelSyslog=debug \n" >> /etc/systemd/journald.conf` then make sure you don't have duplicate entries in there. |
| 14:13.33 | ratrace | kale: journald can be in memory only, or also perisisted to /var/log/journal (thus surviving reboots) |
| 14:13.56 | kale | oh, i have syslog, so you mean for individual services then? |
| 14:14.06 | shtrb | it's enough to mkdir /var/log/journal to have it enabled |
| 14:14.23 | Lope | shtrb, what about the log level etc? |
| 14:14.24 | ratrace | explicit > implicit tho |
| 14:14.39 | ratrace | MEANWHILE .......... stop y'all! persistent journald is NOT the answer here |
| 14:14.42 | shtrb | kale, using journalctl it makes it easier to find from previous boots, and for specific services |
| 14:14.57 | ratrace | if you enable it, keep in mind that you'll be logging to disk TWICE, which may or may not be a problem |
| 14:15.18 | kale | shtrb: oh, ok, i usually just use less |
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| 14:15.29 | ratrace | and even if you enable it NOW ...... it does NOT contain the previous log entries so you'd have to WAIT until the next crash to try and see if it logged anything |
| 14:15.41 | shtrb | Or you know , have your syslog properly use syslog on a specific logging server writing to a DB or to files :P |
| 14:15.55 | ratrace | you don' thave to WAIT to analyze /var/log/{syslog*,kern.log*} |
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| 14:16.11 | kale | shtrb: now that is a good piece of advice |
| 14:16.28 | Lope | shtrb, remote syslog might not work if network is the problem. |
| 14:16.29 | kale | will i have to restart service after creating /var/log/journal ? |
| 14:16.39 | shtrb | Here's a better advice - listen to ratrace , my answer was to ratrace , he's good |
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| 14:17.14 | ratrace | kale: to solve your current issue you do NOT need persistent journald; you already have all the entries on disk |
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| 14:18.08 | Lope | Ctrl alt dropkick |
| 14:18.50 | kale | i have some other NICs in the system, i'll configure one with an IP, and see if can log into that next time it gets unresponsive |
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| 14:20.56 | Lope | I'd say if it's not responding to pressing the power button it's quite fucked. Logging in likely won't help or be possible. |
| 14:21.31 | Lope | I'd pursue doing a memtest, try different kernels, and try running the SSD on different hardware to see if you have a hardware problem, or kernel incompatible with your hardware. |
| 14:23.05 | Lope | Other basic stuff like checking the voltages on the PSU are good etc. Check you don't have any bulging capacitors inside the motherboard, and if you're an "electrician" or "electronics professional" check the capacitors in your PSU aren't bulging either. When I used to fix computers, the most common problem with computers acting dodgy was bad capacitors. |
| 14:24.15 | Lope | IMO, it makes sense to do all the quick checks first. |
| 14:24.32 | kale | Lope: i have only fixed TV's and a couple of powersupplis for switches, did not consider that might be the case for my PSU, i should have thought of that. |
| 14:25.15 | Lope | Yeah, obviously if it gets filled with dust etc, that's a problem. I clean the dust out of my PSU and PC every 3~6 months. |
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| 14:25.38 | Lope | vacuum cleaner and a small and medium sized paint brush. |
| 14:25.52 | kale | cleaned dust out about 2 weeks ago, air compressor |
| 14:26.06 | Lope | Or compressed air if you're fortunate to have an air compressor :) |
| 14:26.34 | Lope | the air compressor method is easiest but requires being outside, otherwise you get dust everywhere. |
| 14:27.59 | kale | when i lived in a dormatory, my neightbour needed help with a PC that did not boot properly. he had it lying down open on the floor, and i found he had dropped a dime on the mobo. once we removed the dime, the system was fine |
| 14:28.04 | Lope | kale, backup your data. I had a bunch of power failures (and under-powered UPS at the time) and my whole ZFS zpool got totally corrupted, lost ALL the data on it. But luckily had backed up everything the night before. |
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| 14:28.27 | kale | Lope: i have a backup already, and its on raid1 as well |
| 14:28.28 | Lope | sometimes tipping can be harmful. |
| 14:28.34 | Lope | ok |
| 14:29.36 | elkalamar | I'm getting 403 Forbidden everytime I try to go to wiki.debian.org, tried different VPN locations, why might be that? |
| 14:29.42 | elkalamar | (Hi btw) |
| 14:29.44 | Lope | I like the backup part. I don't trust raid. I use it, but have little faith in it. |
| 14:29.53 | abrotman | elkalamar: tried without VPN? |
| 14:30.26 | kale | i am trying to teach myself something about redundancy, so i have my files on gluster. however just on one physical host for now. when i get smarter it will be on three physical hosts. lets see if that ever happen. and yes, raid is for uptime, not for backup |
| 14:30.34 | Lope | (I use RAID1 for boot and ZFS mirror for rootfs, which is obviously better than RAID1) but still wouldn't trust it with power failures etc. |
| 14:30.38 | elkalamar | abrotman, will try, thanks |
| 14:31.27 | Lope | kale, is gluster flexible about nodes coming and going? does it handle it automatically or does it throw it's toys out the cot? |
| 14:31.58 | Lope | I'm interested in trying some distributed filesystems. |
| 14:32.21 | Lope | DrBD gets a lot of hate. |
| 14:33.09 | Lope | Which seems to leave only Gluster and Ceph (which come to mind) |
| 14:33.11 | kale | Lope: when i tested it on stretch, i ran 4 hosts, that mirrored the files. i started a copy, and during that copy power cycled one host, and shut wnother one down. once the copy was completed the three hosts had their files, when the fourth was booted again, it started getting the files when i did the first read. i did not loose any files |
| 14:34.00 | Lope | kale, okay, do you have to manually add/remove nodes or run special commands before you reboot a machine? |
| 14:34.05 | kale | Lope: gluster is however a bit secretive about what is going on. its like "i am in heal condition", not like i am currently copying this file. |
| 14:34.13 | Lope | and run special stuff after it boots etc? |
| 14:34.50 | Lope | kale, so it doesn't give you any visibility into how long it's going to take to heal? |
| 14:35.00 | kale | yep AFK |
| 14:35.05 | Lope | k |
| 14:35.27 | Lope | seems like distributed filesystems have yet to mature. |
| 14:35.49 | Lope | I'd love a "just works and has a good user experience" distributed filesystem. |
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| 14:36.33 | Lope | I'd like to be able to have some faith that it's going to take care of itself, be useful all automatically, and not lose my data. |
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| 14:37.11 | fling | Which runlevel does what? 0-6 and S |
| 14:37.23 | Lope | And also let me know what the progress is with sync etc and be able to maybe pause it or whatever. Doesn't seem like a lot to ask. |
| 14:37.45 | Lope | fling, runlevel is dead? why aren't you using systemd? |
| 14:38.14 | Lope | man init |
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| 14:38.25 | fling | I'm sorry |
| 14:39.16 | Lope | No need to be sorry. |
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| 14:42.05 | cixx | i am trying to add a certificate to trusted zone and copied crt file to /usr/local/share/ca-certificates and /usr/share/ca-certifices folders. then i run "update-ca-certificates --fresh" |
| 14:42.34 | cixx | it adds binary content into /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt file |
| 14:43.15 | cixx | when i check /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt file, everything seems base64 encoded before my new certificate |
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| 14:43.40 | cixx | and also when i try connection via curl to an https site, it get error, it doesnt recognize it |
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| 14:48.25 | kale | Lope: i have had my files on gluster for the most part of 5 years now, i have not had any issues. although the gluster folks asked me to at least go to stretch for gluster 5 instead of 3. |
| 14:49.13 | Lope | kale, okay, cool. I'm running buster and bullseye at the moment. |
| 14:50.22 | Lope | kale, can gluster work with only 2 nodes? |
| 14:51.16 | shtrb | kale, I remember that there was a hardware lockdown with heatup , and given that the power button is now software controlled it has no affect anymore until you yank the power out |
| 14:51.23 | kale | Lope: yes, but you will end up with split-brain |
| 14:52.01 | kale | shtrb: ahh, that might be what i am experiencing then, related to a hot PC? |
| 14:52.21 | Lope | kale, how does one resolve split brain? |
| 14:52.25 | shtrb | kale, yes |
| 14:52.29 | kale | Lope: you need at least three hosts, but one can be an arbiter, which has all the files, just of siez 0 |
| 14:52.46 | Lope | kale, can you give one of the 2 nodes more priority so that it always wins? |
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| 14:53.07 | kale | shtrb: i'll check if i have a fan in front of my hdds, i am no sure i have that |
| 14:53.17 | Lope | kale, how much space does the arbiter require? |
| 14:54.33 | kale | Lope: My install is 2-3G, then whatever the filesystem requires per file of size zero. I have about 512GB data, the partition on the arbiter is 2GB |
| 14:54.55 | kale | system is unresponsive again ... lets see if it answers on the second nic |
| 14:55.03 | cixx | wow... all docs are wrong.. ca-certificates folder looking for .crt file but in fact, it wants a pem file |
| 14:55.07 | cixx | wtf |
| 14:55.22 | cixx | i lost more then half an hour for this |
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| 14:55.39 | shtrb | kale, lockdown can happen for any part of your motherboard/ hdd / graphic card is too hot. |
| 14:56.08 | shtrb | that's firmware level |
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| 14:57.23 | unixbsd | For PDF documents, is there something similar like Adobe Professional with editing function in Linux ? |
| 14:58.49 | themill | That depends on the PDF and on what you actually want to do |
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| 14:59.38 | ratrace | I used inkscape on a few occasions. and gimp (but that rasterizes right on input) |
| 15:00.17 | unixbsd | thank you, can you edit 60 - to 90 pages with inkscape? |
| 15:00.30 | themill | You still need to define "edit". |
| 15:00.37 | ratrace | note that PDFs are not necessarily output by a word-like program, so it really is just a collection of arbitrarily positioned postscript object |
| 15:00.39 | shtrb | lol |
| 15:01.00 | shtrb | I edited some pages with libre many years ago |
| 15:01.03 | unixbsd | edit: well, the same function as Adobe Professional for windows.: add comment, move pages, add pdf pages,... put circles, edit text,... |
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| 15:01.31 | ratrace | this statement assumes we know what Adobe Professional for Windows (tm) does...... |
| 15:01.36 | themill | unixbsd: Adobe Professional has a bazillion more features than that. Will you suddenly tell us that you need them too? |
| 15:02.11 | themill | Also, when it comes to things like "edit text" it can't actually do that (well) |
| 15:02.51 | unixbsd | can okular edit a PDF ?? |
| 15:04.03 | themill | depends on what you mean by edit. |
| 15:04.11 | unixbsd | add comment, move pages, add pdf pages, ... |
| 15:04.25 | themill | no |
| 15:04.29 | themill | well, yes, no, no. |
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| 15:05.18 | themill | details matter. If you want precise answers, you're going to have to start asking precise questions. |
| 15:05.59 | shtrb | unixbsd, you can use pdftk for such simple tasks |
| 15:06.46 | Lope | ratrace, got the inception script working nicely. Moving into and out of level 3 now with one command :) |
| 15:07.07 | Lope | for an interactive shell. Now to run the install script. |
| 15:08.50 | ratrace | Lope: awesome! |
| 15:09.03 | Lope | :D |
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| 15:10.18 | Lope | Thank you :) |
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| 15:25.55 | Lope | ratrace, lol, I mounted and unmounted many times but now something got screwed somewhere. the mount share didn't end when I exited the script. The last thing I did, which it could be, is I moved the `umount -R /foo/bar/boot` out of level2 (the proc dev sys mounting func) and into level1 (after level2 ends) Should have been fine... but anyway. Need to reboot and test again. |
| 15:26.33 | Lope | BRB |
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| 15:32.54 | Lope | I'm baaaaaaack |
| 15:34.26 | PaddyF | i see |
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| 15:37.04 | Lope | pfft, worked perfectly now that I've tested again. Not sure what got messed up. Maybe my script crashed at some point. |
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| 15:39.09 | ikonia | can someone remind me of the link for the buster arm64 images, I can't find it on the download site |
| 15:40.31 | PaddyF | ikonia: you mean this? https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/arm64/iso-dvd/ |
| 15:40.52 | ikonia | nah, that's the installer |
| 15:41.01 | ikonia | there was ready made images you could just dd onto an image stick |
| 15:44.33 | PaddyF | and armbian is also not what you look for, right? |
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| 15:46.18 | ikonia | no |
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| 15:46.33 | ikonia | it was a proper debian buster build |
| 15:46.37 | ikonia | frustrating that I can't find the page |
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| 15:48.50 | jelly | ikonia, ask in #debian-arm over on OFTC, maybe |
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| 15:53.52 | ikonia | jelly: yeah, there are next on the list, I was hoping it was more known |
| 15:53.59 | ikonia | I found it easy last time and making a meal of it now |
| 15:54.37 | jelly | which platform tho? |
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| 15:56.44 | kale | Lope: you can check my efforts here: http://uptime.kallenberg.dk/ |
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| 15:57.50 | Lope | kale, it's down: <strong>Warning:</strong><p>You triggered the wiki's surge protection by doing too many requests in a short time.</p><p>Please make a short break reading the stuff you already got.</p><p>When you restart doing requests AFTER that, slow down or you might get locked out for a longer time!</p> |
| 15:58.16 | kale | Lope: it never game me that message, please try again |
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| 16:01.58 | Lope | kale, cool, it's working now. Thanks, have noted it and will check it out some time |
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| 16:03.01 | kale | Lope: this is usually running on the kvm host i have problems with, but i have moved it to my desktop for now. it may go down, but i do my best to keep it up. also, not all pages are finished, but there are big fat warnings on those. |
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| 16:03.27 | Lope | cool, thanks for sharing :) |
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| 16:08.49 | Lope | kale, is there a way to make libvirt show RAM in MiB? |
| 16:09.07 | Lope | it's so ridiculous, when I get libvirtd messages about not enough RAM, it shows the RAM it wants in bytes. |
| 16:09.11 | kale | Lope: in the machine.xml file? |
| 16:09.21 | Lope | Even though I've specified the ram size in GiB in the XML |
| 16:11.34 | Lope | my bad, it was actually specified in KiB in the XML for this particular VM. |
| 16:11.44 | Lope | That would be virt-manager's fault. |
| 16:12.02 | Lope | When I specify ram size that's a round number of GiB it should put GiB in the XML config. |
| 16:12.18 | kale | Lope: yes, i know, if you change it to GiB in the xml, then it changes it back to KiB next time you open the XML. I have not prioritized this part yet |
| 16:12.50 | kale | Lope: oh, i use "virsh edit <guest>" |
| 16:13.41 | Lope | kale, what do you mean by "prioritized" are you a dev for one of these projects? |
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| 16:14.23 | kale | Lope: no, its a personal project. but i work on getting the redundancy going. so i just make a note of everything els, and will get back to that later on |
| 16:15.11 | Lope | ok |
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| 16:23.11 | kale | this time, i had tail running on syslog and messages, while the system stopped responding, nothing in the logs |
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| 17:14.33 | Lope | ratrace, do you have any opinions on raid0 mdadm vs zfs raid0? |
| 17:15.14 | Lope | basically, I could either mdadm 2 disks, put one luks ontop of the mdadm device, and one zfs ontop of that |
| 17:15.15 | ratrace | Lope: it's apples and oranges really. ZFS brings a lot more to the table |
| 17:15.38 | Lope | Or I could make 2 luks devices, and put mdadm ontop of those, and zfs ontop of that |
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| 17:15.49 | Lope | or 2 luks, and zfs ontop of those, with no mdadm |
| 17:16.02 | sney | zfs works best with direct access to the disks, no md or raid controllers please |
| 17:16.11 | Lope | seems simplest to leave mdadm out of it, I think? |
| 17:16.42 | Lope | sney, okay, would the perf be similar either way? |
| 17:16.42 | sney | if you're striping, zfs is probably a smarter move since it has built in error correction even without a redundant vdev |
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| 17:17.21 | Lope | sney, to be clear, ZFS is used for all of the above possible configs |
| 17:17.32 | Lope | so it's just a choice of involving mdadm or not |
| 17:17.46 | sney | right, and the ones where it's "mdadm with zfs on top" are nonsensical because everything mdadm can do, zfs can also do natively |
| 17:18.37 | Lope | yeah. I don't know why I did an install like that. Cos I was looking at it now and wondering why I did it. |
| 17:18.53 | sney | so the real options are 1) stripe 2 disks with md 2) stripe 2 disks with zfs |
| 17:18.56 | Lope | is there any benefit to having a single luks vs 2 luks? |
| 17:19.00 | abrotman | Spamcop domain appears to be on its way back (if it's not already) |
| 17:19.08 | sney | and use luks or zfs native encryption whatever as applies |
| 17:19.30 | ratrace | abrotman: yeah, they're back |
| 17:19.41 | Lope | ratrace, sney: one benefit of having a single luks, is faster boot. but that's arbitrary. |
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| 17:19.58 | unixbsd | i installed my own mumble-server (murmurd) with apt-get install mumble-server. testing is very very choppy on a server ryzen 3. What is the origin? Is opus mumble a poor performance server for it? Does it need a super power computer computer that it works withouth choppy sound? |
| 17:20.02 | Lope | takes more time to luksOpen multiple luks |
| 17:20.21 | ratrace | Lope: a second or so |
| 17:20.26 | ratrace | (per device) |
| 17:20.33 | Lope | ratrace, depends what you set iter-time to |
| 17:20.42 | sney | only you know if multiple luks makes sense for your threat model |
| 17:20.46 | ratrace | Lope: plus that yea |
| 17:21.09 | ratrace | single luks vs multiple is a false dichotomy |
| 17:21.22 | ratrace | if you have N devices, ideally you want N LUKS containers to give to ZFS |
| 17:21.34 | Lope | ratrace, cool, okay, I'll do that. |
| 17:21.38 | Lope | much simpler also |
| 17:21.41 | sney | unixbsd: murmur ran fine on late 00s hardware all day long. it's more likely your network. |
| 17:21.52 | Lope | Was such a ballache to figure out how much space mdadm was going to consume for it's metadata. |
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| 17:21.59 | ratrace | shoving all the discs under, say, LVM, so you can have one LUKS device and shave off boot time negates the vast benefits of having multiple devices in ZFS vdevs |
| 17:22.07 | Lope | plus then mdadm is another thing to manage :/ |
| 17:22.22 | ratrace | mdadm under zfs doesn't make much sense in any configuration |
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| 17:22.52 | Lope | ratrace, yeah, I also just realized it would make upgrading less flexible. |
| 17:23.09 | Lope | cos with separate vdevs you can swap out the vdevs probably. |
| 17:23.13 | Lope | individually |
| 17:23.34 | ratrace | yes, which brings around another point . striped vdevs isn't the same as RAID0 |
| 17:23.43 | jelly | does zfs not do encryption? |
| 17:23.51 | Lope | jelly, it does but I don't like it. |
| 17:23.53 | ratrace | so in some very rare circumstances, it _might_ make sense to stripe with mdadm, and the use the mds for ZFS mirror vdevs |
| 17:24.04 | sney | it has native encryption as of a few versions ago but it hasn't really been audited yet afaik |
| 17:24.18 | ratrace | jelly: it does, as of 0.8.x (buster backports onward) and it does not encrypt _everything_ . dataset names, for example, are plaintext. |
| 17:24.20 | unixbsd | sney: running on intranet is very chooppy. from android phones to debians over 192.168..... |
| 17:24.32 | jelly | unixbsd, who knows. Try a -rt- kernel flavor and see if there's any difference? |
| 17:24.35 | ratrace | so you can't hide your rpool/really/not/a/porn/collection with it |
| 17:24.48 | jelly | ,v linux-image-rt-amd64 |
| 17:24.49 | judd | Package: linux-image-rt-amd64 on amd64 -- stretch-security: 4.9+80+deb9u6; stretch: 4.9+80+deb9u11; stretch-backports: 4.19+105+deb10u4~bpo9+1; buster-security: 4.19+105+deb10u7; buster: 4.19+105+deb10u8; buster-backports: 5.9.15-1~bpo10+1; bullseye: 5.10.9-1; sid: 5.10.9-1 |
| 17:25.05 | Lope | ratrace, it's possible that I did it like this cos on this server I have 2x 512G SSD's in mdraid 0 and 1x 1T SATA SSD, so I'm going to add the 1T SSD to the 1T zpool, for 2T of storage |
| 17:25.13 | Lope | ratrace, does that make more sense |
| 17:25.24 | Lope | ratrace, I got the idea from someone on zfsonlinux haha |
| 17:26.02 | Lope | he did some weird shit like 10T disk with 6T disk in mdadm raid0, in a raidz with 16T disks. |
| 17:26.09 | ratrace | Lope: not too terrible of an idea, no :) |
| 17:26.25 | Lope | frankenstein lives |
| 17:26.45 | Lope | ratrace, can zfs let you do that without mdadm? |
| 17:27.09 | ratrace | I don't think so. ZFS doesn't really do RAID0 . striped vdevs are _similar_ but not exactly the same thing |
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| 17:27.28 | ratrace | AND ... stripes are implicit in the fact that you add multiple vdevs |
| 17:27.41 | Lope | ratrace, can zfs handle mismatched vdevs in a stripe? |
| 17:27.53 | ratrace | different sizes? Yea |
| 17:27.57 | Lope | yeah |
| 17:28.07 | Lope | so 512G + 512T + 1T in a stripe? |
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| 17:29.38 | ratrace | three single-disk vdevs? I think that'll result with the 1T vdev being used only, until it fills up 512G, then all three would be round robin'ed for new data. I'm not 100% sure on that, I often confuzzle btrfs and zfs internals, so maybe better ask in #zfsonlinux |
| 17:31.37 | Lope | cool |
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| 17:41.01 | ratrace | Lope: so I don't troll in #zfsonlinux .... consider btrfs. with btrfs it is not not-recommended to combine disks like that. you can toss all three together into the single pool, the 1TB would be written until it fills up the smallest disk's size, then they'll be written to in balance |
| 17:41.29 | ratrace | plus ... can you chose a raid level for metadata, and grow the pool with individual disks, unlike zfs |
| 17:41.32 | Lope | ratrace, cool. You're the obi-wan. I |
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| 17:41.39 | Lope | I've not gotten to btrfs yet :) |
| 17:42.08 | Lope | ratrace, wow, that's cool! |
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| 17:42.36 | Lope | ratrace, however zfs has a special device now, that's meant for storing metadata on a NVME or whatever, right? |
| 17:42.48 | ratrace | if you stay away from raid levels 5 and 6, btrfs will be fine :) it's in tree, no dkms nonsense, and no occasional fallout due to GPL only symbols in kernel |
| 17:42.56 | Lope | so you could in theory make a mdraid1 and put the ZFS metadata on that? |
| 17:43.18 | Lope | yeah, holy crap the fallout isn't fun. |
| 17:43.45 | Lope | I've had a non-booting system with ZFS dkms failures, many more times than I'd like. |
| 17:43.50 | ratrace | I suppose so. I wouldn't trust that raid1 to mdadm tho. can easily corrupt data |
| 17:44.14 | Lope | ratrace, surely it's better than letting zfs spread the data over the 2 disks? |
| 17:44.38 | ratrace | for the special vdev? I don't know, I have no experience with that. it's a rather novel thingy in zfs |
| 17:44.57 | Lope | alrighty then. |
| 17:45.11 | Lope | It *does* seem like I should have used btrfs for this install. |
| 17:45.16 | Lope | Does BTRFS have lz4? |
| 17:45.20 | Lope | (or better) |
| 17:45.21 | ratrace | but considering that zfs does data csumming and mdadm does not .... I imagine giving it all for ZFS to manage itself is always better |
| 17:45.33 | ratrace | Lope: btrfs has any algo that's in the kernel, so yes. |
| 17:45.42 | ratrace | it also has zstd, unlike zfs :) |
| 17:45.46 | Lope | wow, so you can do xz with btrfs? |
| 17:45.56 | Lope | gzip? |
| 17:46.22 | ratrace | unlike zfs, btrfs is very much utilizing in-kernel facilities. that makes it linux-only. zfs is a cross platform, portability-first, sun thingy that still carries SPL around.... and is in constant fight with the kernel. |
| 17:46.42 | Lope | yeah. loads of fun. |
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| 17:47.05 | ratrace | gzip? is that zlib? if yes, then yes |
| 17:47.20 | Lope | I imagine the raid5 btrfs is probably stable by now |
| 17:47.27 | Lope | Surely they must be testing the crap out of it. |
| 17:48.01 | ratrace | the word on the street is ... stay away from btrfs raid5/6 |
| 17:48.02 | Lope | I don't actually use raid5 or raidz1 etc anywhere yet. |
| 17:48.54 | ratrace | https://lore.kernel.org/linux-btrfs/20200627032414.GX10769@hungrycats.org/ written by one of the guys who does very, very extensive testing. he's in #btrfs. he finds bugs in disk firmwares for breakfast :) |
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| 17:54.05 | Lope | ratrace, that's a year old but still pretty scary. |
| 17:54.11 | Lope | Surprised |
| 17:54.33 | ratrace | that's 6 months old :) |
| 17:55.49 | GNU\colossus | I wonder - why don't they just scrap parity raid support in btrfs? |
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| 18:07.01 | Sarcutus | Hello all. Is there a way to upgrade to Linux kernel 5.10.9, or am I doomed to 5.10.0 until new versions of Debian come out? |
| 18:07.41 | sney | ,kernels --release sid |
| 18:07.43 | judd | Available kernel versions are: sid: 5.10.0-2-686-pae (5.10.9-1) |
| 18:07.50 | zutat | modify the source package to fit your needs |
| 18:07.56 | sney | debian package version is not the same thing as the upstream version |
| 18:08.13 | sney | also, as you can see in the topic, testing/unstable support is in #debian-next on OFTC (note, right now you are on freenode) |
| 18:08.29 | Sarcutus | I have an awful time with OFTC ... |
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| 18:08.56 | Sarcutus | can't seem to get connected. Sorry to be off-topic though. |
| 18:09.50 | sney | anyway yes if you are using 5.10.0-2 on sid or bullseye, it is actually 5.10.9 from kernel.org |
| 18:11.21 | short-bike | Sarcutus: click on link in here to join OFTC (the easy way) -> https://www.oftc.net/ |
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| 18:13.25 | jelly | Sarcutus, what does "uname -a" say |
| 18:13.51 | sney | (they made it to oftc) |
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| 18:13.58 | jelly | yay |
| 18:14.13 | Sarcutus | Interesting ... it doesn't give the same output as uname -r ... |
| 18:14.17 | Sarcutus | I see it now. |
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| 20:44.26 | strk | any idea why the firefox-esr icon does not show up, in Debian 10 ? |
| 20:44.58 | strk | in the windows bar, and in the ALT-TAB menu |
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| 20:52.10 | unixbsd | ratrace: this xpdfedit is very simple, but it allows to add comments and to largely modify a large PDF document. <-- https://gitlab.com/openbsd98324/xpdfedit |
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| 21:01.48 | abrotman | strk: you'd probably have to specify which WM/DE you're using |
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| 21:08.21 | strk | Mate |
| 21:08.45 | strk | I had a version installed I think from firefox official website, and icon worked |
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| 21:09.52 | strk | today I decided to install the debian package instead (firefox-esr) - it works, but the icon does not show up |
| 21:11.57 | strk | abrotman: ^ |
| 21:13.23 | abrotman | you can probably just add it in |
| 21:13.28 | abrotman | or, have you logged out/in ? |
| 21:13.48 | strk | uhm, nope, did not log out/in |
| 21:13.55 | strk | is there another way to have the icons re-scanned ? |
| 21:14.12 | strk | guess I can try logout-login |
| 21:15.46 | ratrace | unixbsd: ? mistabbed me for someone else? :) |
| 21:17.06 | unixbsd | well, we talked about inkscape and pdf edition before, about 3-5 hours ago. |
| 21:17.20 | strk | logout/login did not help |
| 21:17.32 | strk | abrotman: icon still not visible |
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| 21:20.50 | strk | it could be because firefox-esr.desktop contains Icon=firefox-esr |
| 21:25.29 | strk | but uhm, ther'es more to it |
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| 21:25.46 | strk | if I change firefox-esr.desktop to use a different Icon (say: "firefox") things gets bad elsewhere too |
| 21:26.02 | strk | right now I dragged the firefox menu into a panel, and the icon in the panel is shown |
| 21:26.12 | strk | also the icon in the menu is shown |
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| 21:26.28 | strk | both are good now, and they break if I change the "Icon" line in desktop-esr.desktop |
| 21:26.40 | strk | what is not good is the icon in the alt-TAB menu |
| 21:26.49 | strk | AND in the windows list |
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| 21:27.07 | strk | it's just a generic rectangle icon, not the firefox logo |
| 21:27.26 | deadrom | hi |
| 21:27.35 | alex11 | hello deadrom |
| 21:27.44 | deadrom | dmesg: ata11: exception Emask 0x10 SAct 0x0 SErr 0x4000000 action 0xe frozen <- which disk is ata11? how can I tell on which controller? |
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| 21:31.58 | deadrom | https://serverfault.com/questions/244944/linux-ata-errors-translating-to-a-device-name <- found this littel script, solved |
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| 21:38.59 | PaddyF | !udd |
| 21:38.59 | dpkg | The Ultimate Debian Database (UDD) is an effort to gather lots of useful information about Debian from a variety of sources and stuff it all into a giant PostgreSQL database. http://wiki.debian.org/UltimateDebianDatabase http://udd.debian.org/ |
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| 21:53.51 | pokota | is there a safe way to go back from unstable to testing, or am I doomed to stay at unstable? |
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| 21:55.02 | sney | pokota: change your sources to testing, and wait for the migration |
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| 21:55.19 | sney | (packages automatically migrate from unstable to testing without being rebuilt) |
| 21:55.58 | pokota | thanks (I needed one package that's in stable, not in testing, and is in unstable. guess what stupid solution I took to install it) |
| 21:56.25 | sney | well, better than trying to install an unstable package on stable. |
| 21:56.59 | sney | unstable and testing are closely related, it's relatively safe to combine them and move between them, at least until the weeks leading up to the release |
| 21:57.17 | pokota | that was the main reason I was concerned. I couldn't remember which part of freeze we were in |
| 21:58.11 | ryouma | n.b. somebody highlighted me in this channel, but i have no record of it for some reason |
| 21:58.12 | sney | soft freeze is in ~2 weeks, release probably not until August or September if it goes at the same speed as the last few https://wiki.debian.org/DebianBullseye |
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| 22:06.13 | abrotman | ryouma: looks like r*trace around 0420 EST .. |
| 22:06.16 | Brutus | Hi, i'm trying to find the debian 9 iso file, but on the website i can only find 1-8 and 10 |
| 22:08.19 | Brutus | oh nm, 1-8 were just packages. i can only find the version 10 iso, not 9 |
| 22:08.42 | sney | Brutus: you want https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/ |
| 22:09.10 | Brutus | thank you sney! |
| 22:09.21 | sney | np |
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| 22:23.30 | deadrom | 4 port pcie1x sata3 controller, china mass thing for 20 bucks. 4 disks, errors on 1 port. tried 3 cables, 3 disks, even different slot, not better. now only the affected port connected: all good. |
| 22:23.42 | deadrom | shitty cables? old red ones, really really old |
| 22:23.47 | deadrom | 10 years |
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| 22:44.48 | deadrom | eh, controller port borked. |
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