| 00:00.02 | oxek | I am used to '-t buster-backports' so was thinking it would be something similar, but could not find the name to use |
| 00:00.26 | oxek | I see the package=version has some special syntax that I need to look up |
| 00:00.31 | sney | part of the reason dmo is dangerous is that it uses the same suite name |
| 00:01.16 | oxek | yeah, but everyone does that. I see so many repos that use 'xenial' or 'buster' as the suite names to indicate that they are for these systems |
| 00:01.31 | sney | *part of* |
| 00:01.39 | oxek | true |
| 00:02.07 | jmcnaught | !dmm pinning |
| 00:02.07 | dpkg | To ensure that you only get the packages you really want from deb-multimedia.org, «echo -e 'Package: *\nPin: origin "www.deb-multimedia.org"\nPin-Priority: 101' > /etc/apt/preferences.d/dmm». Check this worked with «apt-cache policy» or «apt-cache policy $package». Ask me about <why not dmm>. If you also use backports, you should pin them higher than dmm. |
| 00:02.29 | oxek | that factoid is incomplete |
| 00:02.42 | oxek | official buster-backports has a default pin of 100 |
| 00:02.48 | oxek | so dmm would overtake it with 101 |
| 00:02.55 | oxek | I had to give dmm a pin of 99 |
| 00:03.08 | sney | tbh I'd put it a 1 like experimental, or just disable the repo when I'm not using it |
| 00:03.48 | oxek | I just chose 99 because <100. Is there any other special meaning in these numbers? |
| 00:05.26 | sney | not afaik, but I'm far from a pinning expert. apt_preferences(5) has some more info |
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| 00:06.07 | oxek | I don't think I'm using the package=version syntax right |
| 00:06.39 | oxek | I'm trying for example `apt install kodi=18.9-dmo0+deb10u1` but it tells me 'E: Version "18.9-dmo0+deb10u1' for 'kodi' was not found" |
| 00:06.53 | sney | is that version shown in 'apt policy kodi'? |
| 00:06.56 | oxek | yes |
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| 00:07.31 | oxek | https://0x0.st/-HSj.txt |
| 00:07.53 | oxek | wait |
| 00:07.57 | sney | the epoch is part of the version string, 5: |
| 00:08.02 | oxek | yeah |
| 00:08.07 | oxek | I forgot that the epoch matters |
| 00:11.38 | oxek | unfortunately I think automatic package dependency resulution does not work due to the pinning of 99 |
| 00:11.42 | oxek | https://0x0.st/-HS2.txt |
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| 00:12.33 | sney | just specify those on the command line too |
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| 00:12.47 | oxek | yeah, and they have dependencies too :) |
| 00:12.57 | oxek | I need to find a way of letting apt know that this repo exists |
| 00:13.10 | oxek | just like using the '-t buster-backports' repo works |
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| 00:13.24 | sney | returns to his suggestion of "install the package without pinning, then disable dmo" |
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| 00:14.01 | oxek | yeah that works. But I wonder if there's a better way, that's all. |
| 00:14.25 | oxek | we'd still be throwing rocks if nobody ever wondered if there's a better way |
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| 00:27.39 | oxek | where are all the apt caches kept? I removed all of /var/cache/apt/ but `apt policy youtube-dl` still gives results, which should not be possible. |
| 00:27.54 | oxek | and `apt search` works too |
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| 00:28.49 | oxek | /var/lib/apt/ apparently |
| 00:28.54 | Brigo_ | oxek, /var/lib/dpkg or apt |
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| 00:35.14 | InZaneGamer84 | how can i boot into a debian live system. install software. freeze that live system and make it available for installation with the packages i added? |
| 00:36.10 | InZaneGamer84 | is that even possible? |
| 00:40.45 | epsilon | InZaneGamer84: to modify a live system, you need to modify, for example debian live, for your need and pack it again to run it live |
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| 00:43.26 | epsilon | InZaneGamer84: instead, if you want some kind of automated installation process with defined packages, there are other ways |
| 00:47.21 | InZaneGamer84 | epsilon how to modify and pack again? |
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| 00:48.57 | InZaneGamer84 | epsilon please? link for method 1 and method 2 that you mentioned? |
| 00:49.07 | InZaneGamer84 | docs? |
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| 00:52.15 | epsilon | InZaneGamer84: search for debian automated installation, there are plenty of ways and docs to achieve this... better you read them to find what's fitting for your needs |
| 00:52.43 | InZaneGamer84 | epsilon thanks |
| 00:52.49 | epsilon | method 1 is probably not what you want, if you want to install hosts |
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| 00:53.18 | InZaneGamer84 | epsilon im not setting up servers. its a workstation |
| 00:53.24 | InZaneGamer84 | so i probably need method 1 |
| 00:53.51 | sney | !persistent live |
| 00:53.51 | dpkg | You can rework the iso-hybrid image that is used with Debian Live (from Debian 7 "Wheezy" onwards) so that you can also use it as persistent storage with the live sessions. See http://syn.theti.ca/2013/06/22/tutorial-wheezy-live-iso-hybrid-with-persistence-on-usb/ |
| 00:53.59 | sney | that doc is old but I think still roughly applicable |
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| 00:54.30 | sney | oh, >available for installation # never mind |
| 00:54.36 | oxek | maybe that shiny new tool 'ventoy' can do something |
| 00:54.46 | oxek | it has ways of deploying packages into installations |
| 00:55.01 | epsilon | what's ventoy? |
| 00:55.27 | InZaneGamer84 | that site is down? |
| 00:55.45 | InZaneGamer84 | i just need to create my own live debian system |
| 00:56.02 | InZaneGamer84 | it doesn't even have to be a live system. one that can be installed |
| 00:56.10 | InZaneGamer84 | but with my defined software pkgs |
| 00:56.18 | oxek | https://www.ventoy.net/en/plugin_injection.html |
| 00:56.27 | sney | !preseed |
| 00:56.27 | dpkg | [preseed] Preseeding provides a way to set answers to questions asked during the Debian installation process, to allow for a streamlined or completely automated installation. The <install guide> provides an extensive appendix on preseeding with a full example. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed and http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/394 . See also <debconf-set-selections>. |
| 00:56.30 | InZaneGamer84 | there's like 8gb of additional software i need post-install |
| 00:56.37 | InZaneGamer84 | would be nice to not have to download it |
| 00:56.41 | InZaneGamer84 | but have it installed |
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| 00:58.10 | epsilon | uff, some disposal VM with all required package is not an option? |
| 01:00.10 | beelzebuzz | or a local repo |
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| 04:13.23 | InZaneGamer84 | can someone help me chroot into my CLONED installation and fix grub? When I try to boot the cloned installation it boots the old installation from another drive.... |
| 04:16.45 | beelzebuzz | fix the uuid in your grub config |
| 04:23.13 | nkuttler | InZaneGamer84: i like the supergrub image.. boots anything i want and i can fix the real system |
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| 04:27.08 | SponiX | InZaneGamer84: when I did a clone, and still had both drives in the system. I had to lookup how to do a fresh uuid for one of them -- so that they were different and the system didn't get confused |
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| 04:29.53 | InZaneGamer84 | SponiX yes i ran into that as well |
| 04:30.00 | InZaneGamer84 | im all messed up now |
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| 04:42.24 | Abrax | hi |
| 04:42.38 | Abrax | when i upgrade to debian 9 to debian 10 will the upgrade change the permissions in my filesystem? |
| 04:42.44 | Abrax | i hope so |
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| 04:48.16 | dvs | Why would you want to change the permissions? It probably won't |
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| 04:56.44 | Druid | Abrax: did u do "chmod -R 777 /" like i did :< |
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| 05:00.37 | incal | how many kilobytes is 1 104 857 600 bytes (105 MB, 100 MiB) ? do you divide by 1024? |
| 05:02.42 | incal | echo $(( 1104857600 / 1024.0 )) # 1078962.5 |
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| 05:03.20 | incal | but: $ units '1104857600 bytes' kilobytes # 1104857.6 |
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| 05:04.32 | incal | I got the file (digit) from $ dd if=/dev/urandom of=$file count=$(( 1024 * 100 )) bs=1024 | sha256sum | ( read rnd _; echo $rnd >> $file ) |
| 05:04.56 | incal | so why is it not an even result, also? |
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| 05:13.24 | wyatt8740 | incal: are you asking for kilobytes or do you mean kibibytes |
| 05:13.34 | wyatt8740 | what windows calls kilobytes are actually kibibytes, to be pedantic |
| 05:13.59 | wyatt8740 | you divide by 1024 for KiB (kibibytes) or 1000 for kilobytes (ISO standard). |
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| 05:14.08 | wyatt8740 | most people usually want KiB in my personal experience |
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| 05:15.17 | incal | no wait I think I got the initial 1 duplicated |
| 05:15.25 | wyatt8740 | 1078962.5 KiB |
| 05:15.55 | incal | file size is echo $(( 1024 * 100 * 1024 )) you can divide that by 1024, ofc :) |
| 05:16.01 | wyatt8740 | the "units" command is likely using Kib |
| 05:16.06 | wyatt8740 | *KB, not KiB |
| 05:16.15 | incal | and $ echo $(( 1024 * 100 * 1024 )) # 104857600 |
| 05:16.34 | wyatt8740 | 1104857.6 KB (base 10) |
| 05:16.46 | wyatt8740 | KiB != KB |
| 05:17.30 | wyatt8740 | ok, so it's 104857600 / 1024 |
| 05:17.41 | wyatt8740 | which is 102400 |
| 05:17.48 | wyatt8740 | in KiB |
| 05:18.03 | wyatt8740 | or 104857.6 KB (base-10) |
| 05:18.29 | wyatt8740 | i used dc for my calculations |
| 05:18.53 | wyatt8740 | (that uses reverse polish notation though) |
| 05:22.07 | incal | OK, so it seems my download speed is 906 KiB/s! with 'test-speed', lines 70-86, https://dataswamp.org/~incal/conf/.zsh/web |
| 05:22.26 | incal | wyatt8740, cool, dc, didn't think of that |
| 05:22.41 | incal | reverse polish notation, like Lisp? |
| 05:22.43 | wyatt8740 | bc is more standard these days though |
| 05:22.49 | wyatt8740 | no, lisp is regular polish |
| 05:22.55 | wyatt8740 | reverse polish is like old HP caluclators |
| 05:23.02 | wyatt8740 | *calculators |
| 05:23.04 | wyatt8740 | the RPL ones |
| 05:23.21 | incal | OK, reversed Lisp, what does that mean, operator last? |
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| 05:23.40 | wyatt8740 | yeah, so 4096 / 1024 becomes '4096 1024 /'' |
| 05:23.50 | incal | wicked :) |
| 05:24.02 | wyatt8740 | also 'p' is the operator to print top of stack |
| 05:24.48 | wyatt8740 | if you like it, consider using an HP-48SX/HP-48GX or HP-28C/HP-28S calculator or emulator if you want something fun to play with |
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| 05:25.18 | wyatt8740 | I am partial to the 28C/28S but I don't know of a native emulator for it (just one that works in wine). It has a better keyboard layout though |
| 05:25.26 | wyatt8740 | the 48's can be done with X48 |
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| 05:26.12 | incal | hm... I have a TI-83, I guess it doesn't have a reversed Polish mode |
| 05:26.19 | wyatt8740 | https://gitlab.com/wyatt8740/x48 - my fork of x48 that makes it build |
| 05:26.22 | wyatt8740 | yeah it doesn't |
| 05:26.34 | incal | no it is a TI-84+, well, still |
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| 05:27.09 | wyatt8740 | I am fond of the 48's and 28's for a lot of reasons. they are also more versatile for math than the 83/84's are because they can do symbolic derivation and integration (though symbolic integration is somewhat more limited on the 28S compared to the 48SX) |
| 05:27.11 | incal | OK, bookmarked |
| 05:28.42 | wyatt8740 | another nice thing about the 48 is that HP officially released the ROM images for it for download at one point |
| 05:28.49 | wyatt8740 | so it's not a legal quagmire |
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| 05:30.01 | wyatt8740 | https://www.hpcalc.org/details/4371 |
| 05:30.29 | wyatt8740 | later rom from 48GX https://www.hpcalc.org/details/4524 |
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| 07:21.44 | lilnonono1 | hey guys, I just installed debian 10 on a librebooted T400. I had internet connection during the install, and post install I have no internet connection. I've fixed this before, but not sure how to fix it now |
| 07:21.49 | lilnonono1 | ifup does shit all |
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| 07:26.55 | wyatt8740 | ifconfig -a |
| 07:27.03 | wyatt8740 | also i am guessing you have systemd |
| 07:27.13 | wyatt8740 | try killing/replacing its DNS resolution service |
| 07:27.48 | lilnonono1 | ok idk wtf I did but it seems to be working now |
| 07:28.02 | lilnonono1 | BUT I cant seem to ping 8.8.8.8, probably a dns issue |
| 07:28.37 | lilnonono1 | also ifconfig doesnt work |
| 07:28.41 | lilnonono1 | ip a works tho |
| 07:30.45 | lilnonono1 | ok lol it actually aint working fuck |
| 07:30.58 | lilnonono1 | aight i g2g i'll come back on irc another time lol |
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| 07:33.00 | wyatt8740 | use root |
| 07:33.02 | wyatt8740 | oh ok |
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| 08:35.02 | phantom | Druid> Abrax: did u do "chmod -R 777 /" like i did :< |
| 08:35.07 | phantom | 777 or 775 ? :) |
| 08:36.52 | rudi_s | wtf |
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| 08:43.33 | Druid | phantom: u r right. i did 775 |
| 08:44.36 | Druid | i did 775 in current directory which i thought was '/var/www/html' but it was '/' :< |
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| 08:48.49 | ratrace | ohlol good luck with that now |
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| 08:54.52 | phantom | Druid: \o/ |
| 08:56.39 | Druid | ngl i took break from linux for some time after that... |
| 08:56.41 | dob1 | I have a python script that I execute with "python3 script.py > /dev/null &" what is the proper way to kill it ? |
| 08:56.54 | dob1 | right now I am using the bad way killall python3 |
| 08:57.11 | Druid | dob1: do u see it in 'ps aux' ? |
| 08:57.29 | Druid | type that command in bash |
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| 08:57.44 | Druid | or w/e shell you're using |
| 08:58.04 | dob1 | Druid, sorry I don't mean this. I know I can see its pid in ps aux, I would like to kill it automatic after some time it is running |
| 08:58.51 | Druid | hmmm |
| 08:58.54 | dob1 | I want to create a script run the python script, sleep for some time, kill it |
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| 08:59.12 | Druid | you see the pid after forking it right? |
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| 08:59.43 | dob1 | I see it on ps aux |
| 09:00.56 | dob1 | maybe I have to use pgrep |
| 09:01.01 | Druid | i don't know the linux way to do it... |
| 09:01.13 | Druid | but you can look into the subprocess module in python3 |
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| 09:01.30 | Druid | (i'm noob trying to help u) |
| 09:01.37 | dob1 | no problem Druid :) |
| 09:01.47 | dob1 | I will try with pgrep |
| 09:03.16 | aminvakil | dob1: kill -15 $(ps aux | grep "python3 script.py" | awk '{print $2}') |
| 09:03.23 | aminvakil | something like this would do the job |
| 09:04.05 | aminvakil | this would also include grep process, but that's fine |
| 09:04.06 | dob1 | it's not the default SIGTERM ? |
| 09:04.27 | aminvakil | you can extend the grep and exclude it, but i guess killing grep is fine |
| 09:04.41 | dob1 | aminvakil, thanks I try it |
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| 09:05.19 | Druid | nice awk |
| 09:05.28 | aminvakil | i may be wrong on the exact syntax of kill command, i'm not sure |
| 09:05.30 | Druid | yea it includes the grep process too |
| 09:05.53 | Druid | ps aux | grep "python3 test.py" | awk '{print $2}' | head -1 |
| 09:06.00 | Druid | but order might be random so idk |
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| 09:06.15 | Druid | i.e: grep process might be first in ps aux |
| 09:06.55 | aminvakil | ps aux | grep "python3 test.py" | grep -v "grep" | awk '{print $2}' |
| 09:07.12 | aminvakil | this excludes the grep process |
| 09:08.57 | Druid | hehe nice tricks |
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| 09:09.26 | Druid | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:09.26 | Druid | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:09.26 | Druid | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:09.26 | Druid | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:09.27 | Druid | oops |
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| 09:09.42 | Druid | sorry |
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| 09:13.55 | [jasper] | hello people. Does anyone know if its possible to change permissions recursively. where I can give directories other permissions then files? |
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| 09:16.55 | ksk | [jasper]: Hello. Would you like to tell us what you are trying to do here a little more specific? |
| 09:17.13 | ksk | the easiest way to determine between files and directories would be using find, like so: |
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| 09:18.08 | ksk | "find . -type d -exec chmod 700 {} \;" |
| 09:18.41 | ksk | This would generate a list of directories in the PWD, and change all of them to "700". |
| 09:18.49 | [jasper] | ksk, offcourse. I want to give all directories chmod 755 and all files chmod 644 |
| 09:18.52 | ksk | see man find and change the "-type" accordingly, for files. |
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| 09:19.11 | [jasper] | ah ok cool. I will take a look. |
| 09:19.30 | ksk | adding an echo before the chod in the command could be handy for trying stuff out beforhand. |
| 09:20.02 | [jasper] | yeah :P thanks for that tip. before I start messing stuff up |
| 09:21.10 | ksk | Yap :) Chmod should not really hurt anybody, but replace that with an rm.. |
| 09:21.37 | hl521 | Hey, I have a debian image in ProxMox that's failing to properly boot (goes immediately to safe mode) after trying to mount a second drive on ext4 on /home/Shinobi/videos2/ for whatever reason. The drive mounts fine when I do # mount /dev/sdb1 /home/Shinobi/videos2/, however when mounting upon boot, the safe mode seems to be the issue. I'm assuming the issue is that I'm not using the UUID? https://dpaste.com//5V7JAJ856 |
| 09:21.42 | [jasper] | yeah. that would seriously ruin my day |
| 09:23.04 | [jasper] | worked perfectly! Thanks for your help ksk |
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| 09:27.56 | ratrace | hl521: what's the fstab line? |
| 09:28.06 | hl521 | ratrace: check the dpaste link |
| 09:28.14 | ratrace | oh, right, missed it |
| 09:28.25 | hl521 | I also just pointed it to the UUID address and same issue |
| 09:28.55 | ratrace | hl521: the line is broken. you swapped the places of options and type |
| 09:29.08 | hl521 | LOL |
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| 09:29.15 | hl521 | someone throw something at me |
| 09:29.16 | ratrace | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:29.29 | hl521 | yeah I see it now ahahhaah |
| 09:29.44 | ratrace | also... why not UUID but sdb1. there's a reason those above are uuid. :) |
| 09:30.21 | ratrace | and that sr0 is broken too |
| 09:30.22 | hl521 | yeah I'm using UUID now |
| 09:30.32 | hl521 | iirc sr0 I'm not using |
| 09:31.21 | hl521 | I can probably just comment it out being it's just a vm |
| 09:31.22 | ratrace | yeah, nvm, udf,iso9660 is valid |
| 09:31.29 | hl521 | specific for NVR stuff |
| 09:32.12 | ratrace | you can add nofail to options if there's a chance that a mount won't be available on boot, so it doesn't hang waiting |
| 09:32.47 | hl521 | yeah we're good to go now, thanks for correcting my dyslexia |
| 09:33.25 | hl521 | btw ratrace are you no longer in the gentoo irc's? |
| 09:34.52 | ratrace | nah, I kicked myself out |
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| 09:38.40 | hl521 | what?! how |
| 09:39.00 | ratrace | typed /part and removed autojoin from .irssi/config :) |
| 09:39.11 | ratrace | offtopic here. doesn't matter why. |
| 09:39.18 | jelly | hl521, show lsblk from inside the VPS |
| 09:39.29 | jelly | (if things are still failing) |
| 09:39.30 | hl521 | jelly: it's corrected :D |
| 09:39.38 | hl521 | ratrace: tracking was just curious |
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| 09:50.17 | Lope | hey ratrace, I've done one of these luks ZFS installs. The fucker boots on a VM but not on a laptop lolz |
| 09:50.36 | Lope | I've installed EFI and MBR bootloaders. no dice. So far tested the MBR bootloader in a VM. |
| 09:51.06 | Lope | grub-install --target=x86_64-efi --force-extra-removable $singleRootDev --efi-directory=/boot/efi --bootloader-id=linux |
| 09:51.11 | Lope | grub-install --target=i386-pc $singleRootDev |
| 09:51.28 | Lope | that's how I installed the bootloaders. |
| 09:51.40 | Lope | where $singleRootDev is /dev/sda |
| 09:53.06 | ratrace | literally MBR or you actaully mean legacy boot off of GPT, vs. EFI? |
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| 09:53.24 | Lope | yeah legacy boot from GPT |
| 09:57.14 | ratrace | are you using proper devices for the fstab/crypttab entries? |
| 09:57.30 | Lope | I'm checking now. I automated it haha |
| 09:57.47 | ratrace | vm with virtio would have different device names than sata/nvme laptop baremetal. so it's best to always use UUIDs or, what I prefer, PARTLABELs |
| 09:57.47 | Lope | I just found it weird that it booted perfectly in a VM but not on a laptop. |
| 09:58.12 | Lope | ooooh bastard thing. Yeah I'm using UUIDs but you know I find UUID's are actually unreliable! |
| 09:58.26 | Lope | if you put a SATA SSD inside a USB3 enclosure, the fucking UUID changes vs SATA |
| 09:58.31 | ratrace | how the hell are UUIDs unreliable lol :) they can't automagically change |
| 09:58.42 | Lope | it changes bro |
| 09:58.57 | ratrace | no, you're probably reading UUID of something else. a filesystem UUID can't change based on changed interface |
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| 09:59.10 | Lope | well, disk ID's definitely change, can't 100% remember about UUIDs |
| 09:59.19 | ratrace | yes, disk IDs' != UUIDs |
| 09:59.20 | Lope | /dev/disk/by-id |
| 09:59.22 | Lope | yeah |
| 09:59.25 | ratrace | correct, those DO change |
| 09:59.31 | Lope | annoying as fuck |
| 09:59.41 | ratrace | they're based on interface + serial number |
| 09:59.44 | Lope | they should just use the damn serial number |
| 09:59.50 | ratrace | therefore use UUIDs or PARTLABELs |
| 09:59.53 | Lope | why can't they make /dev/disk/by-serial |
| 10:00.05 | ratrace | precisely so you can use different intrface contexts |
| 10:00.17 | Lope | oooh, I see |
| 10:00.28 | Lope | but thent hey should make /dev/disk/by-sn in addition |
| 10:00.38 | Lope | slacking nerds! |
| 10:00.41 | ratrace | anyhoo.... disk/by-id/ may change. UUIDs (of filesystems) will not. PARTLABELs will not |
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| 10:00.59 | ratrace | you keep arguing about changing disk IDs, instead of using very much reliable and persistent UUIDs or labeles |
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| 10:02.11 | Lope | I do, but something broke once, (I didn't really analyze it though) when I moved a SATA from an enclosure to SATA or vice versa. |
| 10:02.13 | Lope | I only use UUID's |
| 10:02.21 | Lope | BTW this thing doesn't even hit initramfs |
| 10:02.41 | Lope | it only gets to the grub menu for UEFI boot, and doesn't boot at all for legacy (on the laptop) |
| 10:02.45 | Lope | but legacy on a VM works. |
| 10:02.51 | Lope | I'm still checking everything. |
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| 10:03.47 | ratrace | I can't help with EFI, that thing is still arcane magick to me.... I'm still firmly rooted in the legacy bios boot world |
| 10:04.03 | Lope | lol, my /boot has the wrong UUID |
| 10:04.09 | n4dir | glad that others say that too. |
| 10:04.46 | Lope | oh, no it's right. |
| 10:04.52 | Lope | I forgot I'm using a new partition layout. |
| 10:05.00 | n4dir | i will buy a new usb-stick, and if that fails too, i will just give up on booting from USB stick on this PC |
| 10:05.45 | Lope | ratrace, yeah I'm not a fan of UEFI TBH. I like simple MBR> |
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| 10:06.13 | ratrace | Lope: you don't need MBR for legacy bios boot |
| 10:06.35 | ratrace | it's not UEFI vs MBR .... it's UEFI vs LEGACY BIOS boot |
| 10:06.53 | ratrace | BOTH can be off of gpt, but I _think_ EFI requires gpt while legacy bios can do mbr layout too |
| 10:08.28 | n4dir | but how does gpt is added to a stick? is it there automatically? |
| 10:08.35 | Lope | ratrace, I know, I'm just a bit nuts. |
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| 10:11.01 | Lope | is this a normal warning? grub-install: warning: EFI variables are not supported on this system.. |
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| 10:11.47 | Lope | oh iirc I'm supposed to add some EFI flag... |
| 10:11.54 | Lope | or maybe that's not necessary |
| 10:12.01 | Lope | I've made the efi partition type efi. |
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| 10:21.09 | jelly | Lope, is /boot/efi mounted |
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| 10:22.10 | Lope | jelly, ah! forgot to check that |
| 10:22.14 | Lope | okay so I made another VM |
| 10:23.13 | Lope | so I've got 2 VM's now. One boots the drive with EFI, the other boots it with legacy. The legacy one boots, the UEFI one gets stuck the same way the laptop gets stuck when booting UEFI. The laptop just can't find anything when it tries to boot legacy :/ |
| 10:23.17 | Lope | I'll check the EFI now. |
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| 10:28.07 | Lope | jelly, inside /boot/efi/EFI/BOOT/ I've got BOOTX64.EFI fbx64.efi brubx64.efi |
| 10:28.44 | Lope | jelly, inside /boot/efi/EFI/linux I've got BOOTX64.CSV fbx64.efi grub.cfg grubx64.efi mmx64.efi shimx64.efi |
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| 10:35.50 | Lope | Okay I got the UEFI boot working |
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| 10:36.27 | Lope | I had been trying some grub-install parameters given to me by some IRC dude. When I reverted to a bare-bones command then it produced a bootable system. |
| 10:36.59 | Lope | doesn't work: grub-install --target=x86_64-efi --force-extra-removable --efi-directory=/boot/efi --bootloader-id=linux /dev/sda |
| 10:37.59 | Lope | doesn't work: grub-install --target=x86_64-efi --efi-directory=/boot/efi --bootloader-id=linux /dev/sda |
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| 10:38.24 | Lope | works: grub-install --target=x86_64-efi /dev/sda |
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| 10:41.06 | ratrace | KISS strikes again :) |
| 10:41.25 | mrjpaxton[m] | Probably because --efi-directory probably defaults to /boot/efi, and it looks like --bootloader-id says it onlyworks with EFI and Mac, which would exclude UEFI, I'm guessing. |
| 10:42.47 | Lope | mrjpaxton[m], okay, this also works: grub-install --target=x86_64-efi --efi-directory=/boot/efi /dev/sda |
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| 10:43.01 | Lope | so it's just his --bootloader-id=linux that breaks it. |
| 10:43.13 | Lope | for shits, I'm gonna try with --force-extra-removable |
| 10:45.22 | Lope | it works :) |
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| 10:45.36 | Lope | so this monstrosity works: grub-install --target=x86_64-efi --efi-directory=/boot/efi --force-extra-removable /dev/sda |
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| 10:52.33 | Lope | sorted, the UEFI one boots on the laptop now. |
| 10:52.45 | Lope | Wow, 5.10 kernel on an old X220 is a real screamer! |
| 10:52.51 | Lope | crazy fast! |
| 10:53.12 | Lope | makes it not feel like an old POS |
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| 10:56.22 | Lope | is there a way to detect which luks keyslot unlocked luks via luksDump or something? |
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| 11:19.52 | zprd | hi davfs2 on ubuntu asks user to validate and continue with unverified ssl, not debian buster, is there a tweak to it? |
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| 11:31.57 | jelly | zprd, man davfs2.conf says there's a trust_server_cert option |
| 11:34.29 | jelly | zprd, you can grab the server certificate using a web browser, or something like: openssl s_client -servername server.example.org -showcerts -connect server.example.org:443 |
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| 11:38.55 | zprd | jelly: already did, same result |
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| 12:02.10 | andre144k_ | maybe someone can help me with regex? i wanna delete all chars - before "-X" in an string. eg: "Foo282+3-X hello world" should be "-X hello world" |
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| 12:04.14 | section1 | maybe something like sed s/.*-/-/ |
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| 12:06.21 | andre144k_ | thank you |
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| 12:25.52 | BillyZane | hello. does the default install of debian 10.8 use a hardened kernel? |
| 12:26.08 | BillyZane | if not, how can i install one or is there any process of strengthening security on debian? |
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| 12:30.13 | petn-randall | BillyZane: You can trivially compile your own kernel if you think the security on the stock one is inadequate. There's also the "harden-doc" package with further info. |
| 12:30.40 | DarkTrick | I'd like to become a developer for the gjiten package (https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/gjiten) what's the best way to get involved? (There seems to be no source repo available) |
| 12:32.15 | petn-randall | DarkTrick: You can probably ask in #debian-mentors for the next steps, that channel is dedicated to helping with packaging for Debian. |
| 12:32.18 | BillyZane | petn-randall, thank you |
| 12:32.35 | DarkTrick | petn-randall, thank you! |
| 12:32.45 | petn-randall | You two are welcome! :) |
| 12:32.49 | DarkTrick | lol |
| 12:34.48 | DarkTrick | invite only... |
| 12:36.04 | jelly | DarkTrick, sorry, it's on irc.oftc.net (= irc.debian.org) |
| 12:36.23 | DarkTrick | jelly, thank you! |
| 12:36.26 | DarkTrick | confusing :) |
| 12:36.51 | jelly | most official #debian* channels are on that network. This one is basically a leftover |
| 12:37.06 | petn-randall | Oh yeah, indeed, it's on irc.oftc.net. Actually, this is the only Debian channel on this network. All the others are on OFTC. |
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| 12:46.32 | jelly | there are some regional #debian channels still on freenode. #debian-it, #debian-fr, #debianarm-port |
| 12:47.04 | jelly | not sure if xfce and kde are still here as well |
| 12:47.23 | DarkTrick | jelly, good to know :) |
| 12:47.59 | jelly | the country of raspberristan. |
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| 12:50.42 | finalbeta1 | Hey guys, anyone happen to have a link to a guide for debian (9) on rsyslog server with TLS enforced? (Just happen to ;) ) |
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| 12:52.14 | ratrace | "debian on rsyslog server" wth is that |
| 12:52.55 | petn-randall | finalbeta1: I'd just install rsyslog-doc and read up the sections for that. If you follow a guide without understanding the details, and run into errors, you'll have to read up on it anyway. |
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| 12:53.31 | finalbeta1 | ratrace, yeah, switch debian and rsyslog from position there. |
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| 12:54.12 | ratrace | ooooh |
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| 13:20.25 | lowin | I don't want it to be upgraded to that specific version |
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| 13:42.29 | aminvakil | apt-mark hold package |
| 13:42.52 | aminvakil | lowin: ^ |
| 13:43.02 | lowin | thanks |
| 13:43.14 | aminvakil | np |
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| 13:56.12 | hegemoOn | hum no more python 3.6 on buster by default right ? |
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| 14:00.52 | ecsim | hello, I've a minimal VPS with debian. I need to create a script that makes frequent backups. The tools I use for backups are for example, shasum, par2, duplicity and so on. some cpu-heavy tools. I'd like to limit the resources to this tools when executed form my script. Could I achive this by using cgroups? |
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| 14:01.24 | ecsim | or there is a easier/better solution? |
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| 14:04.53 | alex11 | hegemoOn, right, it's 3.7 on buster |
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| 14:16.24 | mspe | hi alex11! |
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| 14:17.44 | jelly | ecsim, if it's enough to prioritize other processes over these, just run the whole script under "nice" |
| 14:17.45 | alex11 | shush :P |
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| 14:18.54 | jelly | nice -n +19 command ... will only give cpu time when there's nothing else wanting cpu |
| 14:22.50 | ecsim | jelly, thanks, honestly i didn't know that i could use nice to launch commands. I thought I could change the 'niceness' of already existing processes. I'm gonna to that |
| 14:23.39 | greycat | changing the niceness of existing processes is called "renice" and is a hack that only works on some operating systems, not others |
| 14:23.52 | greycat | launching with nice in the first place is the better, easier way |
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| 14:52.11 | Lope | ratrace, if I unlock luks manually in initramfs |
| 14:52.19 | Lope | is there a way I can tell the kernel to continue booting? |
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| 14:55.53 | Lope | anyone know how to run /usr/sbin/run-init ? |
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| 14:56.30 | petn-randall | Lope: How should the kernel continue to boot without a working rootfs? |
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| 14:57.53 | Lope | petn-randall, I've got a rootfs ready for it on ZFS |
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| 14:59.39 | petn-randall | Lope: cryptsetup will only block for the key if you set it to required in /etc/crypttab. `man crypttab` and look for the noauto option. |
| 15:00.25 | Lope | petn-randall, thanks, that sounds perfect! |
| 15:01.31 | Vollstrecker | Any DD around here? We maybe are about to change the name of a library (just the name, no ABI or something else). Would you prefer us to provide symlinks for backwards compatibillity, or do you like more to provide them by yourself? |
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| 15:03.33 | petn-randall | Vollstrecker: Who is "we"? You might want to be more specific as not every DD might be able to answer the specific question. |
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| 15:05.19 | Vollstrecker | In this case pupnp. I would ask the actual maintainer, but as the version in testing is 4 releases behind, I don't think I will get the answer fast. |
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| 15:06.48 | petn-randall | Vollstrecker: I don't see any source or binary package named "pupnp" in Debian. |
| 15:06.57 | Vollstrecker | src-pkg is pupnp-1.8. The lib is named libupnp atm, but this cases conflicts on win, so I would change that to libpupnp. |
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| 15:07.43 | petn-randall | Ah, found it. |
| 15:09.37 | petn-randall | Vollstrecker: Either way works, I assume. Any DD to pick it up and package a new version can trivially add/remove any symlinks when needed. Just make sure to mention it in the release notes to make our lives easier. :) |
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| 15:12.16 | pthreat | is there a new update for sudo in 10.8 ? |
| 15:12.34 | nkuttler | ,v sudo |
| 15:12.35 | judd | Package: sudo on amd64 -- jessie: 1.8.10p3-1+deb8u5; jessie-security: 1.8.10p3-1+deb8u7; stretch: 1.8.19p1-2.1+deb9u2; stretch-security: 1.8.19p1-2.1+deb9u2; buster: 1.8.27-1+deb10u3; buster-security: 1.8.27-1+deb10u3; bullseye: 1.9.5p2-2; sid: 1.9.5p2-2 |
| 15:13.01 | petn-randall | pthreat: update to what? |
| 15:13.14 | wsky | wtf linux |
| 15:13.16 | pthreat | security update, there's a new exploit |
| 15:13.19 | wsky | we're awesome |
| 15:13.22 | Lope | petn-randall, okay I've taken off the initramfs option and added noauto... going to be interesting to see what happens. |
| 15:13.26 | petn-randall | pthreat: If you want to apply security updates, a simple `apt update && apt dist-upgrade` should be enough. |
| 15:13.41 | petn-randall | Lope: You need to regenerate the initramfs again, too. |
| 15:13.49 | avu | pthreat: the security update came out the same day it was reported, way before 10.8 came out |
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| 15:17.05 | Lope | petn-randall, I did, okay so I'm back in pretty much the same position as before :) |
| 15:17.15 | Lope | I've manually unlocked the luks, imported the zpool... |
| 15:17.21 | Lope | now how can I make it boot? |
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| 15:18.51 | ratrace | Lope: technically there's no single way. depends on the initramfs script and what it does. since it (rpobably) expects a key, maybe you should set that key in the expected way, instead of manually unlocking |
| 15:19.06 | ratrace | because the initramfs /bin/init is waiting on the key to appear |
| 15:19.17 | Lope | ratrace, I want to unlock manually though :/ |
| 15:19.30 | ratrace | that's not how it works unfortunately |
| 15:19.46 | ratrace | the /bin/init is the script that kernel runs inside the initramfs tmpfs root context. |
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| 15:20.15 | ratrace | initramfs-tools has a bunch of steps and adds a bunch of scripts (in initramfs-tools lingo) that are require to find, make mountable, mount, rootfs and pivot to it |
| 15:20.33 | ratrace | so the script is waiting on one of those steps, the cryptsetup's, to do its work and continue. |
| 15:20.49 | ratrace | so you NEED to provide the key for it , in the way it exects .. OR, write a custom initramfs-tools unlocking script |
| 15:21.10 | ratrace | infact... you can write a custom KEYSCRIPT, which does multiple ways of unlocking |
| 15:21.35 | ratrace | the keyscript is called by the cryptsetup's initramfs-tools scripts, so that in itself suffices (no need for a whole initramfs-tools script) |
| 15:23.10 | ratrace | it can haz a loop that does keyboard input, and if that fails, tries a predefined file location, and if that fails, goto back to input. make sure you don't loop eternally, fail, die and lock up everything after a few failures. |
| 15:23.38 | ratrace | %s/, fail/; so fail/ |
| 15:23.55 | petn-randall | Lope: How did you regenerate the initramfs? |
| 15:25.07 | petn-randall | Lope: Ah, apparently systemd uses it's own crypttab implementation: https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/crypttab.html |
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| 15:26.01 | ratrace | debian doesn't do systemd's, it has initramfs-tools (key)scripts for cryptsetup |
| 15:26.41 | ratrace | so you need: a) valid /etc/crypttab b) keycript c) optional keyfile location (third column), depending on what the keyscript does/wants |
| 15:26.44 | Lope | petn-randall, I did regen initramfs |
| 15:27.06 | Lope | petn-randall, I changed the crypttab line, removed the initramfs keyword and put in noauto instead |
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| 15:27.43 | petn-randall | Lope: The question was "how". |
| 15:27.59 | Lope | petn-randall, oh sorry. update-initramfs -u |
| 15:28.15 | petn-randall | Lope: Indeed, that should have done it. |
| 15:28.27 | ratrace | I think you need that "initramfs" option, there's a bug in debian's cryptsetup initramfs tools scripts |
| 15:28.36 | Lope | petn-randall, would it be better if I have nothing inside /etc/crypttab? |
| 15:28.37 | ratrace | there _was_ a bug at least... not sure it's fixed |
| 15:28.57 | Lope | because you said crypt stuff is likely blocking cos it thinks IT must unlock the device |
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| 15:30.46 | Lope | ratrace, interesting, sounds like I need a custom keyscript |
| 15:31.15 | ratrace | Lope: there's no option for it not to block ... its job is to unlock rootfs, so that's the only thing it has to do. the keyscript defines HOW |
| 15:31.28 | ratrace | (default is console input something something, use the source luke) |
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| 15:37.41 | Vollstrecker | Btw. as pupnp will most propably get a new release within the next one or two weeks, most propably 1.15 compared to 1.8.3 in stable and sid. What's the best way to get it in, if the maintainer seems to ignore new releases (the next version releases 2018-10-25, so even this one is old). |
| 15:39.28 | Vollstrecker | s/releases/released/ |
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| 15:50.11 | Lope | interesting, so without the option initramfs using noauto instead... initramfs starts up, something says it can't do whatever, and suggests importing the zpool then exiting. |
| 15:50.27 | Lope | So I did exactly that, opened the luks manually, and imported the zpool, typed exit and whala. |
| 15:50.50 | Lope | so now just need to script that somehow |
| 15:50.56 | Lope | ratrace, petn-randall ^ |
| 15:52.46 | queip | fresh install hangs on "press ctrl-c to cancel file system checks" in boot |
| 15:54.16 | queip | cryptsetup: sda..._crypt: set up successful fsckd-cancel-msg:press ctrl+c to cancel all filesystem checks in progress |
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| 16:01.03 | queip | if graphical card does not work, in laptop, then what to install? |
| 16:01.07 | queip | probably from not-free |
| 16:04.14 | Lope | ratrace, petn-randall: if i send a kill -9 to the sh -i process (that's the initramfs one on the physical screen) then it boots :) |
| 16:04.17 | queip | for amd video |
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| 16:07.54 | queip | no one? |
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| 17:41.43 | mrfree | hi all, any ideas on how to recover this f2fs partition? https://pastebin.com/jPtRz8UW |
| 17:42.55 | mrfree | answering Y results in a segmentation fault, while N goes on but nothing seems to change... still corrupted |
| 17:43.29 | mrfree | (I'm on debian testing) |
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| 17:44.51 | oxek | !debian-next |
| 17:44.52 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also https://wiki.debian.org/IRC and https://wiki.debian.org/GettingHelpOnIrc |
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| 17:46.01 | oxek | aside from that, recovery from backup will be easier; the tooling for f2fs recovery is not that good yet, even if you're on the most modern kernel version |
| 17:46.39 | jelly | probably going to involve f2fs devs to fix that segfault |
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| 18:35.15 | jelly | ,v intel-microcode |
| 18:35.17 | judd | Package: intel-microcode on amd64 -- jessie/non-free: 3.20180425.1~deb8u1; stretch-backports/non-free: 3.20190312.1~bpo9+1; jessie-security/non-free: 3.20200609.2~deb8u1; stretch-proposed-updates/non-free: 3.20200609.2~deb9u1; stretch-security/non-free: 3.20200609.2~deb9u1; buster-security/non-free: 3.20200609.2~deb10u1; stretch/non-free: 3.20200616.1~deb9u1; buster-backports/non-free: |
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| 18:43.33 | zaherdirkey | hi, i have debian 10, i want to run AppImage, but i got " No such file or directory |
| 18:43.34 | zaherdirkey | ", i set execute permission on it |
| 18:43.56 | vlt | Hello. I'd like to provide sshfs access (or similar) to a directory structure (a subvolume of a btrfs file system in my case) to someone but as root. How can I achieve this without giving them full access to the machine? A virtual machine? Something like a jail? Some parameters in .ssh/authorized_keys? Any ideas? |
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| 18:47.30 | tremon | vlt: what's your alternative? root will always be able to escape jails or mount the full btrfs filesystem, and not just the subvolume you want them to |
| 18:48.38 | greycat | zaherdirkey: did you put it in a directory that's in your PATH? or are you trying to run it from the current directory? |
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| 18:52.02 | ratrace | "root will always be able to escape jails" not really. pid namespaced "root" ain't uid=0 and is still root in that namespace (can chown, chmod, ...) |
| 18:52.09 | ratrace | vlt: namespaces! |
| 18:52.50 | ratrace | %s/pid namespaced/uid namespaced/ |
| 18:53.24 | ratrace | (aka USER_NS) |
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| 18:53.38 | jelly | the question is "which aspect of root do you need there" and that may or may not preclude usage of ns |
| 18:53.40 | tremon | that might work, but would it also allow root to create device nodes and mount them? |
| 18:53.57 | ratrace | jelly: sshfs limits very much those aspects to .... fs-specific only |
| 18:54.12 | ratrace | tremon: not without caps |
| 18:54.24 | jelly | tremon, you can't have remote device nodes. |
| 18:54.43 | tremon | yeah, I missed the sshfs part. I read ssh |
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| 19:28.46 | unixbsd | Hello, do you know an IDE frontend for X11 /libx11 ? |
| 19:28.58 | unixbsd | (like the ide for gtk... and so on).# |
| 19:30.01 | ratrace | unixbsd: Eclipse, NetBeans PyCharm, Intellij, KDevelop, VisualStudio something something, ...... |
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| 19:30.15 | ratrace | %s/ans Py/ans, Py/ |
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| 19:33.09 | unixbsd | it is not X11, but another libraries. |
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| 19:33.49 | unixbsd | ok, I have found one: https://github.com/bombasticbob/X11workbenchProject |
| 19:33.53 | tremon | what does it mean to have a frontend for a library? |
| 19:34.14 | ratrace | well, shi-, son, I thought you just wanted an IDE that runs on Xorg..... |
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| 19:35.28 | unixbsd | IDE like lazarus for fpc, i.e. so IDE like xxx for x11. like gtk has also one, qt also one... and so on. |
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| 19:37.30 | unixbsd | ratrace: https://i.postimg.cc/PJzT8VBR/libx11-IDE-freesoft.png <-- I just compiled it from source. it is an IDE for a project making on x11. |
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| 19:38.07 | ratrace | that looks like a very, very bland editor. |
| 19:38.51 | jelly | don't you mean IDE for Xcb ;-) |
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| 19:38.55 | jelly | hides |
| 19:39.45 | jelly | sorry. XCB |
| 19:40.31 | unixbsd | oh, thank you. I need to check xcb |
| 19:41.01 | ratrace | that said ... an IDE just for that sounds ridiculous. any C/C++ code IDE with proper includes should do the job |
| 19:41.15 | ratrace | hell, ViM can doit! |
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| 19:46.45 | ov3rmind | nice UGT great friends, these is a good time to thanks all for ever made a great work! |
| 19:52.14 | unixbsd | ratrace: also true. |
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| 20:57.32 | hagbard_ | Hi, did anyone in here ever try to build the glibc from debian sources? |
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| 20:58.09 | hagbard_ | I wanted to do it to compile it with march=neative. |
| 20:58.33 | azeem | hagbard_: and what's the problem? |
| 20:58.42 | nkuttler | !tell hagbard_ about package recompile |
| 20:59.29 | hagbard_ | But even without modifications, it's always an FTBS. Compilation finishes, but then a lot of the tests fail. Mostly nss related, some related to locales, and one or two other. |
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| 21:00.35 | azeem | if you don't care about that, try exporting DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=nocheck (no guarantee that's honored, but probably it will be) |
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| 21:02.23 | hagbard_ | yes, I found build options to disable the tests. But I'd rather like it, if they don't fail, and want to understand why they fail in the first place. |
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| 21:04.42 | hagbard_ | This was one of the fails: FAIL: elf/tst-dlopen-self-container another: XFAIL: localedata/tst-langinfo-newlocale-static |
| 21:04.54 | hagbard_ | I don't have the whole log anymore |
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| 21:07.24 | hagbard_ | I took the paramters for dpkg-buildpackage from the build log of the debian build server. |
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| 21:10.47 | InZaneGamer84 | is there a way to take my current installation and make it installable? Meaning my settings, installed software, files... Pack into an installable ISO ? |
| 21:11.24 | nkuttler | InZaneGamer84: that sounds more like a backup |
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| 21:12.10 | nkuttler | InZaneGamer84: you can build your custom iso though.. and perhaps include and restore your backup there |
| 21:12.18 | InZaneGamer84 | nkuttler: Indeed! One that can be installed though |
| 21:12.59 | InZaneGamer84 | nkuttler: what is the terminology for the process of creating an installable linux system? |
| 21:13.11 | InZaneGamer84 | I want to start from a debian base |
| 21:13.40 | InZaneGamer84 | install like 11GB of stuff and go from there. Targetting a 16GB USB stick |
| 21:14.03 | InZaneGamer84 | documentation on what I'm describing? |
| 21:14.54 | nkuttler | there is, hold on a sec |
| 21:15.28 | nkuttler | InZaneGamer84: https://live-team.pages.debian.net/live-manual/html/live-manual/index.en.html |
| 21:16.17 | InZaneGamer84 | nkuttler: thanks |
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| 21:24.39 | azeem | 0o |
| 21:24.41 | azeem | oops |
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| 21:46.27 | oxek | I'm doing an upgrade of 10.7 to 10.8, and a new ca-certificate package is downloaded. It's now being installed and asking me whether to trust the newly added certificates. Any advice on how to proceed? |
| 21:46.43 | oxek | as far as i can tell, all those certs have been removed before, so I don't know why they are being offered again |
| 21:46.56 | oxek | I also think that all those certs are already disallowed by browsers |
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| 21:59.39 | sney | oxek: according to the bugs referenced in https://tracker.debian.org/media/packages/c/ca-certificates/changelog-20200601deb10u2, the 'symantec' root certificates were removed prematurely and were still required for a bunch of common sites to work. |
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| 22:00.31 | sney | so they have been added back in order to not break compatibility with those https hosts. the maintainer seems to be working on a different solution for bullseye. |
| 22:00.44 | oxek | sney: and it has only been fixed 8 months later? Surely those certs are now fully invalid |
| 22:01.21 | sney | see discussion in (mainly) #962596 for more information |
| 22:01.22 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/962596 in ca-certificates (closed): «ca-certificates: Removal of GeoTrust Global CA requires investigation»; severity: serious; opened: 2020-06-10; last modified: 2021-02-05. |
| 22:01.58 | oxek | so if I haven't had any issues, I should not be readding these certs on that prompt? |
| 22:02.10 | sney | that's probably safe, yes |
| 22:02.14 | n4dir | InZaneGamer84: there is refracta-snapshot, but there are tools for such in the debian repos too. I don't know what the general term for such is. |
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| 22:03.06 | oxek | sney: thank you once again :) |
| 22:03.13 | sney | np |
| 22:03.23 | n4dir | live-build , the package, could do it for a while, but then removed that feature again, i think. InZaneGamer84 |
| 22:07.07 | InZaneGamer84 | n4dir: hmmm |
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| 22:10.13 | n4dir | InZaneGamer84: bootcd seems to be one of the packages in the repo. I got no experience with it nor ever heard of anyone who has. |
| 22:10.47 | n4dir | and the web gives this too http://www.linuxandubuntu.com/home/make-your-very-own-customized-linux-distro-from-your-current-installation |
| 22:11.04 | n4dir | antiX has such a tool too, you might want to ask them (or search their forum) |
| 22:11.24 | InZaneGamer84 | interesting |
| 22:11.29 | InZaneGamer84 | thanks for all the bits |
| 22:12.21 | n4dir | I was the long time guinea-pig for refracta-snapshot, ages ago. It is comfortable and easy. Not sure about such big installations though. |
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| 22:14.30 | InZaneGamer84 | n4dir: Yeah, like I said. I want to setup a system from a stable brach. Do the post-install configuration/software installation and make it installable. It'll probably be somewhere in the neighborhood of 12GB's |
| 22:15.16 | n4dir | Besides the size, of which i am not that sure, it is a no-brainer. Install, configure, run refractasnaphot. |
| 22:15.53 | n4dir | you want to put it on a USB stick then, right? |
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| 22:19.15 | n4dir | you can, of course, also semi-automate the process by other means too, and perhaps they are better for your situation. |
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| 22:36.33 | karlpinc | InZaneGamer84: You might just download a debian-live image, boot it, install stuff on it in a persistant fashion, and then use that. |
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| 22:37.35 | karlpinc | InZaneGamer84: Although I don't know exactly what options exist for installing from a live image. I'm guessing that the whole image will install. |
| 22:38.12 | n4dir | as far i can tell it isn't recommended to use a live to install. |
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| 22:39.17 | n4dir | (we are probably in "not really recommended" anyway, just saying in general) |
| 22:39.40 | sney | the calamares installer included with d-live is known to be weird sometimes, but it's supported |
| 22:40.19 | InZaneGamer84 | yes! calamares has issues |
| 22:40.48 | karlpinc | ,v calamares |
| 22:40.50 | judd | Package: calamares on amd64 -- buster: 3.2.4-3; buster-backports: 3.2.27-1~bpo10+1; bullseye: 3.2.35.1-1+b1; sid: 3.2.35.1-1+b1 |
| 22:41.08 | karlpinc | InZaneGamer84: The backported buster version might be better, dunno. |
| 22:41.34 | n4dir | InZaneGamer84: it might help if you tell what exactly you want to do with the installable result. As said: there might be more and even better solutions for such |
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| 22:42.48 | n4dir | not that hard to make a list of all installed packages and then install them in a row on a different system, and copying all config files around. For example. |
| 22:43.05 | InZaneGamer84 | I want a "snapshot" of my installation. Because I've invested countless hours to setup the system as I need it. Would be heartbreaking to have to do it all again.... Plus when I build my new PC with amd ryzen I can just re-install..... |
| 22:43.35 | InZaneGamer84 | Familiar with VM's ? you can create snapshots and go right back to that |
| 22:43.44 | InZaneGamer84 | is this what docker containers are? |
| 22:44.03 | InZaneGamer84 | I don't really want to be running within a VM though |
| 22:44.10 | n4dir | not really in UEFI and what it changed, but you can/could also just rsync installations around. |
| 22:44.16 | InZaneGamer84 | I need GPU support |
| 22:44.37 | InZaneGamer84 | I just cloned this installation over to a SSD and had major issues with grub |
| 22:44.47 | InZaneGamer84 | clonezilla said and acted like it did everything right but it didn't |
| 22:44.54 | InZaneGamer84 | spent half the night getting it to boot |
| 22:45.07 | InZaneGamer84 | so **** you clonezilla! hahahah |
| 22:45.11 | InZaneGamer84 | anyway... |
| 22:47.58 | wyatt8740 | i use netinst without a network and then remove systemd and work up from there |
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| 22:48.14 | wyatt8740 | (systemd as init, anyway, not a total purge) |
| 22:48.21 | n4dir | perhaps ask again at a different time, say tomorrow, and someone has a good idea. InZaneGamer84 (get's asked now and then, and it doesn't seem so, but you never know). |
| 22:48.54 | karlpinc | InZaneGamer84: You might also consider something like ansible. That way not only can you rebuild from scratch you can also tell what you're building, taior it to the target box, etc. |
| 22:49.08 | wyatt8740 | I wrote a script to theoretically do most of my early installation stuff, too, but i'm sure there's stuff that'd fail in it |
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| 22:50.53 | wyatt8740 | this is really, really ugly btw, but i've used it as a general assistant to setting up fresh debian installs before https://gitlab.com/wyatt8740/wyatt-profile/-/blob/master/setup.sh |
| 22:52.38 | wyatt8740 | basically if it fails at some point or another i edit the script with emacs, mark all the stuff that got done, and do m-x comment-region so that the next time i run the script it starts where it previously failed and I can make my changes as necessary |
| 22:53.21 | wyatt8740 | lots of apt at the beginning, some manual building later |
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| 23:16.36 | vlt | jelly, ratrace: Thank you. |
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| 23:17.07 | vlt | jelly: I only need the "root can read all of the files" aspect of root. |
| 23:17.30 | vlt | As in all of the files *below* a certain mount point. |
| 23:18.34 | vlt | But the files need to retain their user and permission attributes. |
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| 23:30.23 | mrjpaxton[m] | Hey, I am looking for a way (or a script) to list all packages that are exclusively on a foreign architecture, but not the native one. Mostly for the sake of curiosity. I just want to know if I really need to enable "armhf" with "arm64" for example. |
| 23:31.48 | mrjpaxton[m] | Just thought someone might have come up with something like that. I dunno. Lol. |
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| 23:57.41 | Brigo | mrjpaxton[m], dpkg -l *:arch, for example dpkg -l *:i386 |
