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| 00:00.32 | pasiz | eric23: ls -la would be better to tell that |
| 00:01.09 | pasiz | so you have jail directory, what's inside it |
| 00:01.45 | eric23 | etc and var ? I'd have to hand write all that info from ls -la, I don't have the computer connected. |
| 00:02.50 | pasiz | so looking the files, is there anything that are common in your /etc |
| 00:03.16 | eric23 | there is a sources.list |
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| 00:03.41 | pasiz | is there something that is not debian.org |
| 00:04.13 | sney | from that and the fact that it's called 'jail' this sounds like you or some script might have tried to debootstrap a container |
| 00:04.29 | freem | I have recompiled some debian packages. How can I make it so that debian does not considers the resulting .deb as "older" than the original one? |
| 00:04.43 | freem | s/debian/apt or aptitude/ |
| 00:05.03 | freem | I could lock them, sure, but it's not very practical (I'm not warned about potential updates) |
| 00:05.16 | sney | freem: change the package version, iirc if you add a + between the 1.2.3-1 and your custom string, apt will treat it as greater than 1.2.3-1 |
| 00:05.39 | freem | in the control file? |
| 00:05.43 | sney | yes |
| 00:06.05 | freem | is there's a canonical way to avoid conflicting with a potential update from debian? |
| 00:06.28 | petn-randall | freem: Actually, just add a new entry in debian/changelog with a higher version number. Or just pin the packages if you definitely don't want any updates from Debian repos. |
| 00:06.42 | freem | petn-randall: <freem> I could lock them, sure, but it's not very practical (I'm not warned about potential updates) |
| 00:07.07 | eric23 | it just says ftp.debian-ports.org/debian unreleased and httpredir.debian.org no other odd mirrors. |
| 00:07.13 | petn-randall | freem: Well, do you want updates or not? |
| 00:07.20 | freem | of course |
| 00:07.27 | freem | otherwise I'd just keep it locked/pinned |
| 00:07.35 | freem | higher version number also implies I could have conflicting version numbers with debian, which I want to avoid |
| 00:07.35 | sney | this section of policy covers how versions are interpreted: https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s-f-version |
| 00:07.45 | freem | thanks |
| 00:08.25 | pasiz | eric23: and you have never tried to chroot ssh or ftp or some service |
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| 00:10.54 | eric23 | pasiz: honestly don't remember doing ssh or ftp. chroot maybe. |
| 00:11.37 | freem | ok, bad luck, no way to version things so that "this is foo debian version, locally patched". Guess I'll have to risk conflicts then |
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| 00:12.21 | eric23 | thats it. |
| 00:12.32 | eric23 | I must have run crosshurd. |
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| 00:12.49 | petn-randall | freem: 1.2.3-1+freem will never show up in Debian. |
| 00:13.00 | freem | true enough |
| 00:13.07 | petn-randall | Or 1.2.3-1.1~freem |
| 00:13.17 | sney | freem: there isn't a one-shot trick to always accomplish that, but you can still do it, you just need to be specific about what version you use for your local package. |
| 00:14.01 | sney | ~freem is a good tip, since the ~ is what stable-backports uses so that those packages will still be upgraded by the next stable version. |
| 00:14.02 | apt | okay, sney |
| 00:14.35 | freem | good idea |
| 00:14.39 | freem | will do that then |
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| 00:32.33 | Gerowen | Does anybody know which script for apcupsd is responsible for the occasional terminal broadcast messages that occur if you're SSH'd into a device during a power outage? |
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| 00:41.25 | freem | well... I abandon. I'll be fine with packages locked. Loosing less time than trying to fight debuild |
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| 00:48.44 | frdg | I was wondering how it would be possible to download this package as a deb package (I know nothing about deb packages but the format I want looks like `<name>_<version>_<arch>.deb`). I am not on debian but I need this package in as a .deb. https://packages.debian.org/buster/libnet-pcap-perl |
| 00:49.19 | sney | frdg: sure, click on the architecture from the links at the bottom |
| 00:49.52 | themill | (that's approximately the .deb filename except for some escaping rules for 'version') |
| 00:50.21 | frdg | sney: yes I have tried that but then I get brought to this link where I see nothing that seems like what I want: https://packages.debian.org/buster/amd64/libnet-pcap-perl/download |
| 00:50.33 | frdg | oh haha I get it now |
| 00:50.38 | sney | ... yes |
| 00:50.49 | frdg | I spent far too much time thinking this was something else |
| 00:50.52 | frdg | thanks |
| 00:50.55 | sney | np |
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| 01:00.45 | alex11 | if you transfer a new hard drive to a computer and back up your data to that drive you need to edit fstab to get the system to recognize it right? |
| 01:01.43 | sney | there needs to be a fstab entry OR a systemd .mount unit for any volume that you want mounted automatically, yes |
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| 03:58.13 | growly | alright this is a long shot but i wanna see if anyone else has ever run into this: the igb driver, when connected to my (netgear gs316) switch, drops its connection every ~15 mins |
| 03:58.54 | growly | i get a 'NIC Link is Down/Up [...]' message periodically. when i connected another switch, this didn't happen |
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| 03:59.18 | growly | i can't tell if this switch is crap or if the igb driver is finnicky or both |
| 03:59.33 | sney | probably a bad switch or nonstandard stp behavior |
| 03:59.39 | growly | (tried different ports, cables, etc) |
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| 04:01.07 | growly | bad stp? hmm. maybe |
| 04:01.58 | growly | i'll plug my rpi in and see if its driver complains |
| 04:02.11 | sney | you could try turning up the debug level on igb and see if you get any useful output |
| 04:02.25 | growly | can i do this without recompiling kernel? |
| 04:02.32 | growly | or even recompiling the module? |
| 04:02.36 | growly | cause i tried that and no |
| 04:02.50 | growly | intel's distribution comes with old c |
| 04:03.03 | sney | yeah, it's a driver option. see 'modinfo igb' |
| 04:03.17 | growly | ah ty ty |
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| 06:28.16 | UncleKiwi | Hi there, Im being lazy and want to be able to logon with ssh to a debain 10 system using ssh as root with a password - what changes do i need to make to make that possible |
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| 06:38.27 | UncleKiwi | ok ignor that lazy question - I lazyily discovered the answer |
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| 08:02.35 | doc235 | i am using debian 9 and cant ping chat.freenode.net. but ican ping google.com r 8.8.8.8 works. any ideas? |
| 08:03.06 | Thete | does it timeout? |
| 08:03.09 | Thete | or not resolve? |
| 08:03.25 | doc235 | yes it times out |
| 08:03.42 | doc235 | no idea on the resolv |
| 08:03.50 | Thete | chat.freenode.net is blocking ICMP pings |
| 08:04.01 | Thete | I can't ping either |
| 08:04.28 | Thete | nothing wrong, they're just blocking it |
| 08:05.12 | doc235 | hmm i can't connect either. but maybe a freenode thing. how to get the dns ofchat.freenode.net |
| 08:05.28 | Thete | nslookup ofchat.freenode.net |
| 08:05.39 | doc235 | ah yes. ty |
| 08:06.19 | doc235 | auuuggg no nslookup :/ |
| 08:07.15 | Thete | apt-get install dnsutils |
| 08:07.25 | doc235 | ok |
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| 08:08.20 | doc235 | yay thank you |
| 08:08.58 | Thete | yw |
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| 09:40.38 | gholinbrown | well one last time. if i installed a package does the OS verify its signature against signatures that can already be trusted |
| 09:40.50 | gholinbrown | considering if the package was retrieved across http |
| 09:40.52 | gholinbrown | ?? |
| 09:40.59 | hwm4rgs | yes. |
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| 09:41.46 | hwm4rgs | https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-manual/deb-pack-sign.en.html gholinbrown |
| 09:42.21 | gholinbrown | is it automatically verified before installation? keeping in mind i may not have the keys, it's just whatever came with the .iso |
| 09:42.37 | jelly | gholinbrown, the OS does not verify the signature of the package _itself_, it verifies the package against the signed list of packages on the repo |
| 09:43.02 | jelly | gholinbrown, that verification is done at download time, before installation |
| 09:43.30 | gholinbrown | o |
| 09:43.32 | gholinbrown | um |
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| 09:43.58 | gholinbrown | the signatures it verifies, they preexist on the os right? or are they fetched across http (not s) |
| 09:44.04 | jelly | so, a debian.org repo has a list of packages with their checksums, and that list is cryptographically signed |
| 09:44.34 | jelly | the acceptable keys for signing come with the initial base system and preexist, yes |
| 09:44.42 | jelly | ,i debian-archive-keyring |
| 09:44.45 | judd | Package debian-archive-keyring (misc, important) in buster/amd64: GnuPG archive keys of the Debian archive. Version: 2019.1; Size: 73.3k; Installed: 198k |
| 09:45.06 | gholinbrown | the list it downloads, that list is itself verified right? |
| 09:45.12 | jelly | gholinbrown, yes |
| 09:45.21 | gholinbrown | wow. i've been paranoid over nothing |
| 09:45.25 | jelly | yes |
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| 09:46.04 | jelly | http does expose _which_ packages you download, and an attacker can infer you have that software installed |
| 09:46.34 | jelly | but they cannot change anything without the package manager noticing |
| 09:47.31 | gholinbrown | i can live with that. i thought i was truly doomed |
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| 09:48.24 | jelly | the most manual and problematic step is verification of install media. It's somewhat complex to get .iso, get checksum files and their signatures, get the right gpg key with some amount of trust and verify the signature and the checksums |
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| 09:49.18 | gholinbrown | for .iso i usually just do the hash check. and assuming the https connection to the list of hashes was solid, then the hashes had to be the real ones |
| 09:50.21 | jelly | well yeah, if you're getting the hash from the same site you'd get the gpg key, if one is compromised the might will be as well |
| 09:50.33 | jelly | the other* might be compromised* as well |
| 09:51.45 | jelly | mind you, debian-archive-keyring is also a package that gets upgrades. Its upgrades become important over the years because keys for debian 11 repos might differ from keys used to sign debian 9 repos |
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| 09:53.19 | jelly | but you'll always be able to get newer set of keys to trust, from the repo signed by the previous generation of keys. |
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| 09:54.20 | jelly | so you never lose trust even if you're doing release upgrades |
| 09:54.36 | gholinbrown | is debsums worth running individually? |
| 09:54.37 | jelly | I have systems installed with Debian 2.1 that are now running Debian 10 |
| 09:54.49 | gholinbrown | wow |
| 09:55.28 | jelly | debsums is not perfect but is better than nothing |
| 09:56.44 | jelly | it's useful to detect bit rot and corruption on disk than for serious intrusion detection |
| 09:57.14 | jelly | but those per-file checksums used to not be mandatory and many packages did not ship them |
| 09:57.49 | jelly | if you install debsums early, it will generate missing checksums when such a package is installed |
| 09:59.27 | gholinbrown | odd i don't have debian-keyring installed |
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| 10:02.27 | gholinbrown | well debsums is running i'm going to go catch breakfast. ty for your help |
| 10:04.42 | jelly | gholinbrown, well you don't need debian-keyring, that's all the developers and maintainers. debian-archive-keyring is enough to get updates and is preinstalled. |
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| 10:15.14 | jelly | I have a memory leaky systemd service. Is there a way to restart the service gracefully when it reaches some amount of RSS used, and a higher limit to SIGKILL and restart it? |
| 10:16.13 | jelly | fwiw, Debian 9, zabbix-server-mysql vendor package 1:4.4.10-1+stretch |
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| 10:21.08 | ratrace | jelly: I suppose you need systemd-oomd :) |
| 10:21.52 | ratrace | all other things I can think of are harsh limiters and killers (like cgroups or service RSS resource limitations) |
| 10:22.03 | ratrace | %s/RSS resource/resource/ |
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| 10:32.44 | jelly | I want to give the stupid thing a chance to quit in a graceful way |
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| 11:13.45 | ratrace | jelly: see, that's why PHP sucks. uWSGI for example has exactly an option for that. reload on RSS. since uwsgi can ALSO handle php, perhaps you can take a look at using that instead of PHP-fpm? |
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| 11:15.04 | ratrace | I'm assuming it's PHP since you said zabbix-something-something. I stopped reading right after zabbix :) |
| 11:15.08 | jelly | ratrace, it's not php, it's something compiled |
| 11:15.22 | serafeim | i recommend *not* using uwsgi for anything. |
| 11:15.31 | serafeim | it's way too complex for all purposes |
| 11:15.37 | jelly | frontend is php probably, but it doesn't leak |
| 11:15.42 | ratrace | serafeim: ehh, no. |
| 11:15.59 | serafeim | ratrace: eh yes. i was using it for like 5 years and was glad when got rid of it |
| 11:16.11 | ratrace | it's very simple to set up and use. and by that I don't mean the stupid shell init script that's convoluted to hell and back and to hell again |
| 11:16.13 | jelly | ratrace, this is precisely the thing a useful service menager would have functionality for |
| 11:16.23 | ratrace | serafeim: and we're using it to power our python flagship web apps for 10 years now |
| 11:16.37 | serafeim | ratrace: you'd get better milage from gunicorn |
| 11:16.41 | ratrace | jelly: yes, so maybe systemd-oomd |
| 11:16.43 | serafeim | uwsgi is filled with crap |
| 11:17.01 | ratrace | gunicorn has nowhere near the features of uwsgi |
| 11:17.12 | serafeim | gunicorn does 1 thing well. i don't care about all that uwsgi features |
| 11:17.13 | jelly | ratrace, is it in stretch? |
| 11:17.31 | ratrace | serafeim: that's perfectly fine. but also, you can't make blanket statements about uwsgi like that, then. |
| 11:18.11 | serafeim | ratrace: as i said i was using it for many years. it kept throwing C dumps for no particula reason. debugging uwsgi errors was hell |
| 11:18.43 | serafeim | there is *no* reason to use some C middleman to serve python code |
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| 11:19.05 | jelly | ratrace, I only see "oomd" without systemd- and that's in sid, not buster not stretch |
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| 11:19.49 | jelly | ,v oomd |
| 11:19.50 | judd | Package: oomd on amd64 -- bullseye: 0.4.0-1+b1; sid: 0.4.0-1+b1 |
| 11:20.30 | ratrace | serafeim: srsly. then you won't use nginx either? expose gnuicorn directly to ports? |
| 11:20.41 | serafeim | ha ha ha |
| 11:20.46 | ratrace | jelly: no, systemd-oomd is coming up, methinks in bullseye's version of systemd already |
| 11:20.47 | serafeim | nginx *also* does one thing well |
| 11:21.07 | ratrace | serafeim: but it's "some C middleman" between WAN and your app, transacting over ports 80,443 |
| 11:21.10 | serafeim | it serves my static files and reverse proxyis to my python |
| 11:21.17 | ratrace | yeah. C middleman .) |
| 11:21.32 | serafeim | ratrace: you just said that uwsgi can be used to serve php. |
| 11:21.40 | ratrace | uwsgi is an application server |
| 11:21.49 | serafeim | ratrace: it also can be used to do like 100 other different, not needed things |
| 11:22.06 | ratrace | like tomcat is for java, uwsgi was initially for python but its application servicing is not strictly limited to WSGI, it can to FASTCGI and there' splugins for php |
| 11:22.30 | ratrace | PERSONALLY, I would never use uwsgi for anything but python, where it excells and was designed for. but I mentioned thta as a possibility as it CAN be a php application server and has the features that jelly needs. |
| 11:23.22 | serafeim | in any case. i had used it and thankfully i abandoned it |
| 11:23.30 | serafeim | if it serves you then keep using it |
| 11:23.35 | ratrace | well that's fine :) you don't like it, that's okay |
| 11:23.46 | serafeim | when you get the C stack overflow dump you'll remember me |
| 11:24.10 | ratrace | I really hope you understand how dumb that statement is |
| 11:24.27 | ratrace | you can get "C stack overflow" in nginx too. methinks it already had some. |
| 11:24.59 | serafeim | ratrace: ok. i did not have problems with nginx only with uwsgi. YMMV |
| 11:25.00 | ratrace | you can also get it in cpython, you know, the actual code that interprets your gunicorn? it's written in C |
| 11:25.24 | avu | we should ust rewrite it in Rust, I hear that solves all problems |
| 11:25.28 | serafeim | lol |
| 11:25.34 | serafeim | i'd stick with pure python for this |
| 11:25.46 | avu | so, C |
| 11:25.52 | avu | your machine doesn't execute "pure python" |
| 11:25.53 | serafeim | faster speeds *are not actually needed* for a wsgi server |
| 11:30.21 | jelly | clearly you should run that gunicorn on Jython and avoid all that C :-D |
| 11:30.27 | ratrace | indeed, "pure python" is powered by code written in C, thus susceptible to "C stack overflows". and python HAS had CVEs over the years, and will likely have more. |
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| 11:30.53 | ratrace | even if you pypy .... it's ultimately code written in C that JIT-interprets py |
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| 11:37.59 | ratrace | I mean bottom line, it's fine if you don't like how uwsgi works. but if you base that on "C stack overflow" as a reason, you should reconsider what you think you know about python software :) |
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| 11:40.11 | mrjpaxton[m] | To be fair, CPython is written in both C and Python. It's not like C is a bad or slow programming language to use. Lol. |
| 11:41.53 | ratrace | jelly: shame, seems like systemd-oomd will only send SIGKILLs to monitored cgroup ... I was really hoping it'd have the signal configurable at least, or have an Exec-like option to run an arbitrary command |
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| 11:42.20 | ratrace | mrjpaxton[m]: and the "python" part it's written in, is ultimately written in C again |
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| 11:45.37 | simplicius | Hello |
| 11:45.45 | simplicius | How can I adjust screen resolution? |
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| 11:46.40 | ratrace | simplicius: if you're using a Desktop Environment, surely it has some Settings for that. Otherwise, xrandr can be used for Xorg. No idea about wayland. Ultimately, it should be automatic. |
| 11:47.20 | simplicius | I cannot see the bottom bar |
| 11:47.27 | ratrace | and also there's xorg.conf(5) but I'd check that as a very last resort, it's very likely you won't need that |
| 11:47.29 | simplicius | xrandr gives me this output https://paste.debian.net/1184884/ |
| 11:48.15 | ratrace | check the knobs of your monitor, maybe it's misconfigured |
| 11:48.25 | ratrace | is it a 1080p screen? |
| 11:48.42 | simplicius | I tried out but I cannot control the vertical position |
| 11:48.46 | ratrace | is it a 1080p screen? |
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| 11:50.02 | simplicius | HP 22F Display Monitor LED Monitor LED Display IPS 22'' Resolution: Full HD 1920x1080 |
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| 11:51.36 | ratrace | see if xrandr's --pos option can help the value given is in AxB format where A and B are offset integers for X and Y coords respectively. I'd assume you want negative Y |
| 11:52.10 | ratrace | but ultimately that's a hack. your monitor is connected over digital, not analogue, connection. if anything, it's the monitor's fault |
| 11:52.55 | simplicius | I just bought it |
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| 11:53.11 | ratrace | well "new" doesn't in any way mean "100% fault proof" |
| 11:53.59 | simplicius | When I swtiched on the pc with the monitor for the first time it looked good |
| 11:54.08 | ratrace | hardware broken on purchase is not really impossible. for example, they even have a dead pixel tolerance which states that it's likely your new monitor will have dead pixels. indeed, last two monitors I bought (AOC now, LG before that), have had at least one out of the box |
| 11:54.17 | simplicius | then it did some autoajustement that messed up everything |
| 11:55.09 | ratrace | soooo..... we went from XY problem through XYQPEBKAC and we're now at at PEBKAC? in translation of your "how can I adjust screen resolution" problem, you actually mean "how can I fix the mess I caused?" |
| 11:55.22 | ratrace | why, clearly, just do the reverse? :) |
| 11:56.02 | ratrace | I'd start with the monitor's manual. maybe this is a known issue for PH |
| 11:56.04 | ratrace | HP |
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| 12:01.26 | simplicius | isn't there configuration tool to mange the screen on debian? |
| 12:01.53 | jelly | ratrace, systemd is an ad-hoc hodgepodge of inconsistent features, I'm sure they'll add it at some point |
| 12:02.22 | ratrace | jelly: yeah, it just makes sense to have the signal configurable. it has to have it at some point |
| 12:02.40 | ratrace | simplicius: yes, xrandr |
| 12:02.51 | jelly | #systemd suggested to run a oneshot script on a timer. I already have cron. |
| 12:03.29 | ratrace | jelly: cron or a timer is ultimately what I'd use, if the leak is gradual over time so you can either put a constant time on reload, or, time RSS checks and issue a reload after a treshold |
| 12:03.51 | ratrace | (since you say it's not PHP but some other ... daemon thingy) |
| 12:04.57 | simplicius | for example which value could I use under xrandr --pos? |
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| 12:07.06 | ratrace | simplicius: how about 0x-200 and see what happens? |
| 12:07.46 | simplicius | xrandr --pos 0x-200 ? |
| 12:07.55 | ratrace | simplicius: I just remembered... which GPU do you use? nvidia for example has its own controls for screen geometry, mostly useful in multimonitor setups but you can adjust single ones too |
| 12:08.46 | ratrace | simplicius: xrandr --output DVI-0 --pos 0x-200 |
| 12:10.20 | simplicius | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Cedar [Radeon HD 5000/6000/7350/8350 Series] |
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| 12:13.04 | simplicius | with this command xrandr --output DVI-0 --pos 0x-200 nothing has changed |
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| 12:14.24 | marek_ | Hi, I just managed to boot my Jessie on a new motherboard: Asrock B550M Pro4. Mostly works but internet went down. |
| 12:14.41 | ratrace | jelly: I'm looking through cgroups docs and examples .... fascinating that linux has no ability to control the signal (systemd is just a consumer of that same API), but it CAN register notifiers, so programs can be written to listen to these notifications and act before OOM. I'd be disappointed if such programs don't already exist, regardless of systemd-oomd |
| 12:15.04 | omarek | The mobo says it uses RTL8111H. It appears the driver is in stretch and buster, but not jessie. |
| 12:15.29 | omarek | I'm searching on this page: https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=default§ion=all&arch=any&searchon=all&keywords=RTL8111H |
| 12:15.37 | ratrace | jelly: (incidentally, that ability, to specify service reload on a limit, has been in freebsd for ages.... so it's even more fascinating it's not already part of linux regular init/service management) |
| 12:16.02 | omarek | Do I have this correct? Is the simplest way to get my internet working again to upgrade/install Buster? |
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| 12:16.54 | ratrace | omarek: since jessie is .... oldoldstable, I'd reckon yes, the simplest way is to just get to Stable, that's soon to become OldStable, so your current setup will become OldOldOldStable... |
| 12:17.21 | jelly | ratrace, devs don't care about specific processes / services on linux any more, granulation work is done at container level and horizontally scalable apps are cared about |
| 12:18.00 | jelly | half of the stuff people use cgroups for now could, and was done previously, with rlimites |
| 12:18.05 | jelly | rlimits |
| 12:18.17 | ratrace | jelly: yes, BUT ... the problem is orthogonal to which signal is gonna be sent to the process, cgroup, container, VM, ... |
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| 12:19.06 | ratrace | pretty sure even super massively deployed k8s should very much like to be sigTERM'ed or sigQUIT instead of sigKILL'ed |
| 12:19.43 | omarek | I just checked /etc/issue on that computer. Debian 10.0, /etc/apt/sources.list says buster |
| 12:19.47 | omarek | Moral of the story: I'm stupid. |
| 12:19.58 | jelly | ratrace, nope, k8s relies on OOM-ing, containers dying, and something restarting a fresh container |
| 12:20.26 | ratrace | jelly: that's just .... moronic. |
| 12:20.29 | jelly | process management is replaced with container management |
| 12:20.44 | jelly | yes, but it maps well to AWS infra |
| 12:20.49 | ratrace | but "containers" are just namespaces of processes. signals sent there are still very much important. or SHOULD be important |
| 12:21.03 | omarek | So I suppose I need to get 'r8168-dkms' to that machine and play around with modprobe... |
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| 12:21.30 | ratrace | omarek: if that's the driver, you just need to apt install it, and it'll do its own automagic |
| 12:21.47 | ratrace | omarek: dont' forget firmware-realtek as well |
| 12:21.50 | omarek | ratrace: Yes, but without the internet. |
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| 12:22.26 | omarek | Is Realtek the most linuxhated company after Nvidia? |
| 12:22.54 | jelly | ratrace, you see how important they effectively are, from the lack of tooling. It's not just tools, I have yet to find a non-djb service that responds well to hitting limits |
| 12:23.11 | ratrace | omarek: seems those two packages don't have deps (except dkms which you probably already have installed), so you can sneakernet the .debs in from elsewhere, |
| 12:23.20 | ratrace | omarek: someone here calls it RealCrap |
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| 12:23.50 | jelly | powerdns hitting limit? Doesn't die. Just hangs. systemd does not restart it. So... I have a cron job. |
| 12:24.10 | omarek | Well at least I got those dual rank ECC memory modules running. |
| 12:24.18 | ratrace | jelly: oh shush. I'm already slowly growing into sns hater and am seriously considering to drop all that in favor of very, extremely simplistic systems even if that means no-features-BSD |
| 12:24.36 | ratrace | the more advanced these systems become, the more dumb and moronic they are |
| 12:25.07 | ratrace | omarek: incidentally, I bought asrock x570 pro4 and that one has intel's NIC. also dual rank ECC sticks :) |
| 12:25.34 | jelly | ratrace, start noticing a wave pattern going from everything-in-a-box to lots-of-tiny-well-isolated-tools and back |
| 12:26.14 | ratrace | yeah |
| 12:26.16 | jelly | ratrace, system is former, pretending to be the latter but avoiding to define API/ABI between each part |
| 12:26.25 | jelly | systemd* |
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| 12:27.07 | simplicius | the xrandr command diddn't affect anything |
| 12:27.20 | jelly | so in the meantime people learn how those bits interact and put it in the official docs, Arch Linux wiki |
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| 12:28.04 | omarek | ratrace: So we're both pedantic :-). |
| 12:28.05 | ratrace | heh "official doccs, the Arch Linux wiki" ... so true ) |
| 12:30.01 | ratrace | jelly: I like systemd because it unifies a lot of linux (kernel) APIs into simple to use unit files. but .... as time passes, I see features tossed into it because "someone at RH needs it" with no clear big picture development mode, like the systemd-oomd for example, will likely grow configurable signal sometime in the future when someone does a PR for it |
| 12:31.30 | ratrace | that it doesn't _already_ have it, is just clear sign of the haphazard development model. |
| 12:32.10 | omarek | ratrace: It's too late to return this mobo because I had the bright idea to order from 2 separate shops. |
| 12:32.13 | ratrace | I wonder at which point will my liking of systemd's unified feature set become overpowered by my disliking of the dev model and overall bad implementation |
| 12:32.27 | ratrace | omarek: consumer laws, etc? |
| 12:32.57 | ratrace | at least in EU you have the right to return the product within 14 days, no questions asked. |
| 12:32.59 | omarek | ratrace: In this country, 14 days. |
| 12:33.09 | ratrace | yea |
| 12:35.46 | jelly | ratrace, it still better that anything else, but I hope someone at some point will get annoyed enough to fork or reimplement with lots of tiny tools instead |
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| 12:36.24 | ratrace | agreed on both points |
| 12:37.14 | ratrace | s6 is a serious contender. if only someone would find a few million bucks to toss behind s6 development ; instead of knee-jerk herp derp reactionist devuans and friends |
| 12:37.49 | jelly | a bit hard to package for debian at this point, but I last took a look 2-3 years ago |
| 12:38.44 | jelly | it's nice and seems to be modeled well |
| 12:39.05 | ratrace | yea |
| 12:39.07 | jelly | but I don't have even 100k to toss at them |
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| 12:39.32 | ratrace | there's also nosh, which understands systemd unit syntax, which is very nice |
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| 12:46.58 | omarek | ratrace: So you have a pair of ECC memory sticks. Do the DRAM and CPU leds glow red at startup for a couple of seconds? |
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| 12:56.26 | ratrace | omarek: no idea |
| 12:57.03 | ratrace | and if that was a tongue in cheeck for RGB, I don't buy RGB :) haven't checked if there's any functional leds there either |
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| 12:57.47 | simplicius | Hello |
| 12:57.53 | simplicius | I tried this without success xrandr --output DVI-0 --pos 0x-200 |
| 12:58.30 | ratrace | simplicius: did you try some other value? maybe positive? as I suggested, that -200 was just an assumption and an example to try and see |
| 12:59.17 | simplicius | when I give the command nothing chages |
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| 13:00.28 | ratrace | that doesn't answer my question |
| 13:00.49 | simplicius | is there a display configuration? |
| 13:00.56 | simplicius | with an API? |
| 13:01.30 | simplicius | like this https://cubiclenate.files.wordpress.com/2020/08/screenshot_20200731_213335.png?w=728 |
| 13:01.31 | simplicius | ? |
| 13:02.55 | omarek | Crap. I've installed r8168 via 'apt-get -i', and it internet still doesn't work after reboot. |
| 13:03.12 | omarek | lsmod shows that r8168 is used, not r8169. |
| 13:05.31 | ratrace | omarek: and which one do you need really? r8169 (in kernel, no dkms needed) or the non-free 8168? |
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| 13:06.03 | ratrace | omarek: and did you also install the firmware? dmesg | grep -i firmware and if it mentions inability to load up firmware, you're missing it |
| 13:06.19 | ratrace | firmware-realtek package, I assume |
| 13:07.34 | ratrace | simplicius: did you check your Desktop Environment's Settings? |
| 13:10.40 | simplicius | ratrace: how? |
| 13:10.47 | simplicius | I'm using icewm |
| 13:11.25 | ratrace | so that's not a desktop environment. no idea if that WM has settings UIs. |
| 13:12.17 | simplicius | I think it comes with Xfce |
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| 13:14.20 | ratrace | jelly: preempting "this channel has moved" spam? :) |
| 13:15.20 | jelly | no need to, apparently the spam connections are not nickserv id'd |
| 13:15.39 | ratrace | ah right, we have +r |
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| 13:24.04 | omarek | ratrace: I just installed 'firmware-realtek'. No difference. Grepping firmware yields 3 lines, but none that reminds me of realtek or network or RTRL8111H. |
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| 13:25.52 | omarek | ratrace: r8169 was enabled when I booted with my new hardware. Package description for r8168-dkms says it it covers RTL8111H, and r8168 should only be used if r8169 fails to work. |
| 13:26.33 | ratrace | at this point you'd really have to somehow pastebin or upload to imgur, the relevant outputs from dmesg, to see which nic is it really, and what firmware it may or may not want |
| 13:27.04 | ratrace | also, I'm exiting stage left for lunch, so somoene else might help you out |
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| 13:28.15 | omarek | ratrace: thank you. |
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| 13:47.55 | omarek | Can someone help me getting internet to work on Asrock B550M with RTL8111H / Buster? this is my dmesg https://dpaste.org/oPJE |
| 13:49.05 | omarek | I'll go fetch /var/log/boot.log. There are a few messages in there I don't see in dmesg. |
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| 13:55.16 | fourstepper | is there a reason why debian chooses the ext4 filesystem over xfs filesystem by default? |
| 13:55.31 | fourstepper | i tried to search for a reason but failed to find one |
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| 13:59.21 | azeem | fourstepper: do you mean, why Debian switched from ext3 to ext4 at some point, or why Debian chose extX over xfs? |
| 13:59.30 | fourstepper | i suppose :) |
| 13:59.33 | azeem | for the latter, xfs on Linux was not a thing when Debian started |
| 14:00.09 | azeem | for the former, there just hasn't been a serious debate each time we bumped the ext-version I think and/or extX was considered the better/safer choice |
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| 14:01.51 | jelly | ext3 over ext2 was an easy choice. ext4 over ext3, well it probably helps that tytso is running debian and maintaining the tools |
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| 14:02.50 | jelly | and in the end defaults are just defaults |
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| 14:03.50 | omarek | Can someone help me debug network card on Buster/Asrock B550M Pro4 ? Here are the boot messages https://dpaste.org/De5d |
| 14:04.02 | omarek | Internet connection doesn't start and I don't know how to fix it. |
| 14:04.52 | omarek | Kernel is 4.19 |
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| 14:08.04 | jelly | omarek, is there a way to get non-wrapped monospace text out of that pastebin |
| 14:11.03 | omarek | jelly: This should be better. https://dpaste.org/c0WY#L |
| 14:11.47 | omarek | Failed to start Raise network interfaces. |
| 14:13.08 | omarek | And this is non-wrapped dmesg: https://dpaste.org/zyz3 |
| 14:15.18 | omarek | lspci output: https://dpaste.org/tYsw |
| 14:17.38 | omarek | If that fails, I'm going to try installing debian testing 'bullseye' for the 5. kernel. |
| 14:17.57 | omarek | Some internet fairies report success with that. |
| 14:18.10 | jelly | !bdo kernel |
| 14:18.10 | dpkg | Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are available from the <buster-backports> repository. After modifying your sources.list, run «apt update». To install the current backported kernel: «apt -t buster-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`». To list available backported kernel image packages: «aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'». |
| 14:18.17 | jelly | ,kernels |
| 14:18.18 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 5.10.0-trunk-686 (5.10.2-1~exp1); sid: 5.10.0-3-686-pae (5.10.13-1); bullseye: 5.10.0-3-686-pae (5.10.13-1); buster-backports: 5.9.0-0.bpo.5-686-pae (5.9.15-1~bpo10+1); buster: 4.19.0-14-686-pae (4.19.171-2); stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.9-686-pae (4.19.118-2+deb10u1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.19.0-0.bpo.13-686 (4.19.160-2~deb9u1); jessie- |
| 14:18.20 | judd | backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.12-686 (4.9.210-1+deb9u1~deb8u1) |
| 14:18.51 | jelly | omarek, you can get 5.9 kernel without switching the release to bullseye |
| 14:20.12 | jelly | my (google chrome) browser is having issues with dpaste.org, page unresponsive, searching finds 2x the number of results for "eth" or none for "r8169", weird |
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| 14:21.33 | jelly | and there's no download button. I'll take a short walk instead, see you in an hour or so |
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| 14:32.25 | omarek | lspci -v https://paste.debian.net/1184913/ , dmesg https://paste.debian.net/1184914/ , journalctl -b https://paste.debian.net/1184915/ |
| 14:32.58 | omarek | The issue is getting Asrock B550M Pro4 / RTL8111H internet working on Debian Buster. |
| 14:33.29 | omarek | How do I get a 5.x.x kernel working on Debian Buster? Backports? I'm hoping it will help me with drivers. |
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| 14:40.22 | omarek | jelly: Also going for a walk. You have some other above ^^ if you'd like to try. I'm leaning towards installing Bullseye on a new nvme drive. It may be the less complicated way in the long run. |
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| 14:44.50 | jmaher | can i make a disk image of the installtion machine before i install from the debian installer shell? |
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| 14:45.11 | jmaher | I don't seem to be able to mount the other usb disc i put in the machine for some reason... |
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| 14:48.07 | omarek | ratrace: FYI Realtek earned its own page on urbandictionary |
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| 14:51.14 | omarek | Okay maybe another time. |
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| 14:57.13 | samba35 | how to rescan pci device |
| 14:57.24 | samba35 | i have change pcie port still it show old bus address |
| 14:58.52 | fourstepper | azeem jelly , thanks :) |
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| 15:09.56 | ratrace | samba35: udevadm trigger |
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| 15:10.17 | samba35 | ok |
| 15:11.03 | ratrace | could be udevadm trigger /sys/bus/pci/devices/... for the new ID |
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| 15:17.29 | samba35 | do i have to restart system after running command udevadm trigger /sys/bus/pci/devices/0000\:04\:00.0 is ---04 is my nic |
| 15:18.21 | ratrace | samba35: no. tried with and without the /sys/bus/ path? |
| 15:18.31 | ratrace | I think it's not needed, but in some cases it might be needed.... the device path |
| 15:18.52 | samba35 | with bus |
| 15:19.15 | ratrace | btw ... I assumed you did this on a live system, does your motherboard support PCI hotplug? |
| 15:19.56 | samba35 | yes system is hotplug enable |
| 15:20.08 | samba35 | check with cat config kernel |
| 15:20.50 | samba35 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:20.55 | ratrace | samba35: what do you mean? the kernel does have the options, but are you 100% sure the motherboard supports it? not all do. and some that state that do, don't really |
| 15:21.15 | samba35 | ok |
| 15:21.24 | ratrace | samba35: ho-kay. that's XY now. so let's start at the beginning. what are you doing and how exactly. I'm doing pci-passthrough for nvidia for my gaming VM, so I might help |
| 15:21.29 | samba35 | how do i check motherboard support hotplug |
| 15:21.42 | ratrace | samba35: in the motherboard's specs. not sure if dmidecode can show that |
| 15:22.03 | samba35 | how do i check |
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| 15:22.11 | samba35 | with dmidecode |
| 15:23.07 | ratrace | I don't know if dmidecode can show that information |
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| 15:23.18 | samba35 | https://www.asus.com/Motherboards-Components/Motherboards/CSM/EX-B460M-V5/techspec/ this is board |
| 15:23.34 | ratrace | anyway. if you want pcipassthrough, hot pluggable is not what you need, you just need to specify pciids of devices you wanna pass, for the vfio-pci driver |
| 15:24.14 | ratrace | note one important thing. the _entire_ PCI lane will be affected. you can't just assign _some_ of pciids, on the lane, you need all of them |
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| 15:24.47 | ratrace | or to be more specific, all the pciids in the same IOMMU group |
| 15:25.38 | samba35 | vifo pci is loaded but still it give error |
| 15:25.47 | ratrace | what error |
| 15:26.02 | samba35 | Kernel driver in use: vfio-pci |
| 15:26.02 | samba35 | error with group |
| 15:26.23 | ratrace | did you assign _all_ of the pciids in the same iommu group to vfio-pci? |
| 15:27.33 | samba35 | no i cant becase there are 2 nic and both are in same group and i want 1 nic for bridge and other for pass-throgught |
| 15:27.56 | ratrace | can't do |
| 15:27.58 | samba35 | if i add dpdk then it work but then i cant get bridge up |
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| 15:28.28 | ratrace | like I said, _all_ the devices inside an IOMMU group need to be assigned |
| 15:29.05 | ratrace | that said ... why can't you use virtio-net? |
| 15:29.23 | samba35 | i have no idea how to use it |
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| 15:29.28 | samba35 | can u please help |
| 15:30.41 | ratrace | there's nothing to it, you just specify the netdev to be a virtio-net device, for qemu. if you're using libvirt, then you need to specify that via the xml config for the VM, or use an UI. |
| 15:30.59 | ratrace | then, the guest VM needs virtio support. there are drivers for virtio-net for windows guests |
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| 15:31.08 | samba35 | i am using virt-manager |
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| 15:32.03 | ratrace | then its networkg config, choose virtio for the NIC, not e1000 emulation |
| 15:32.10 | ratrace | *in its |
| 15:32.44 | mo1991 | Hello, I am having issues with the mouse/keyboard not resuming after hibernation. It seems to happen only after the machine hibernates for a long time. Mouse / keyboard do come back if I hibernate manually, and then resume shortly after. Can anyone point me in the right direction? This is a laptop running debian testing, with a hybrid graphics intel/nvidia. |
| 15:32.54 | samba35 | ok |
| 15:32.55 | mo1991 | Resume after suspend works fine |
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| 16:22.41 | Manis | Hi. I'm trying to add LDAPÂ users to local groups. Did anyone else do something like this before? |
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| 16:24.35 | petn-randall | Manis: I don't think that's possible. It at least sounds unreliable if you plan on doing it. |
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| 16:25.28 | Manis | It doesn't need to be persistent, btw. So something like pam_group would be good-enough. I couldn't get pam_group to work, though. |
| 16:26.27 | petn-randall | Manis: I added your user to the group. It didn't persist. Done! |
| 16:26.52 | Manis | Persist across sessions that is (of course). |
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| 16:33.48 | jelly | Manis, if your NSS reads and shows ldap users, you can add them to local groups without any issues. |
| 16:34.52 | Manis | jelly: What IÂ forgot to mention is that the users are dynamic. Say a new user is added to LDAP, IÂ don't want to go and modify all my /etc/groups. |
| 16:35.17 | Manis | Or can IÂ add groups to /etc/groups? |
| 16:35.35 | Manis | */etc/group |
| 16:36.06 | jelly | Manis, you can't nest groups. |
| 16:36.27 | jelly | put groups in ldap as well if you need that. |
| 16:36.48 | Manis | Adding Debian's default system groups to LDAP? |
| 16:36.58 | Manis | Doesn't sound like a nice solution (if even possible) |
| 16:37.16 | Manis | IÂ guess the cleanest solution would be to figure out how to get pam_group to work. |
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| 17:14.52 | samba35 | how to configure 2nd nic which is become unclaimed |
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| 17:28.10 | omarek | Hi it looks like buster is much too raw to use for live images now, right? It entered 'testing' in February? |
| 17:28.40 | sney | bullseye, you mean |
| 17:28.47 | omarek | bullseye. Yes. |
| 17:28.55 | sney | and it entered the freeze, which is the least turbulent part of the testing cycle |
| 17:29.30 | omarek | Do debian backports receive security updates? Considering they're not completely official? |
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| 17:30.08 | sney | backports are not handled by the security team, but once a package is backported, it's common for it to get updated when the corresponding testing package is updated. |
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| 17:30.27 | sney | so if there's a security patch in the testing/sid version, backports will usually get it too. |
| 17:30.39 | ratrace | it's not in full freeze yet, mind you, just for build essentials and transitions |
| 17:31.01 | sney | right, I was generalizing |
| 17:31.37 | omarek | Wait, scratch that. I don't need a live CD. I have a separate SSD to install on, I can just fall back to the SATA without internet. |
| 17:32.28 | omarek | I'm finding that with many technical things doing things the hard way ends up being less work. |
| 17:34.23 | ratrace | omarek: did you get that NIC issue solved? |
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| 17:35.28 | omarek | ratrace: No, I don't really know how to go about it. |
| 17:36.40 | omarek | I can provide dmesg, lspci -v, systemctl -b logs from the 'default' setup, after puring r8168-dkms. |
| 17:39.51 | omarek | ratrace: Do you have any advice? |
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| 17:43.25 | ratrace | would have to see all those first, can you imgur or pastebin that? |
| 17:44.08 | jelly | omarek, is this a laptop? |
| 17:44.41 | jelly | if you want to try things, |
| 17:44.43 | jelly | !firmware live |
| 17:44.43 | dpkg | There are <live> system and <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages available from https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/ The images are "unofficial" because "official Debian" includes only 100% free software. They are otherwise identical to the normal installer images and prepared by the same Debian Developers. See <check iso>. |
| 17:45.17 | jelly | but don't current/amd64/iso-cd/ ... pick a weekly or daily build for testing |
| 17:45.40 | jelly | if you want to install things, |
| 17:45.43 | jelly | !firmware images |
| 17:45.43 | dpkg | There are <live> system and <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages available from https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/ The images are "unofficial" because "official Debian" includes only 100% free software. They are otherwise identical to the normal installer images and prepared by the same Debian Developers. See <check iso>. |
| 17:45.52 | jelly | WELP! |
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| 17:46.00 | jelly | that's completely different |
| 17:46.30 | jelly | I could have SWORN we separated those two a couple days ago |
| 17:46.57 | jelly | dpkg, literal firmware live |
| 17:46.57 | dpkg | "firmware live" is "<reply>see firmware live buster" |
| 17:47.02 | jelly | dpkg, literal firmware live buster |
| 17:47.02 | dpkg | "firmware live buster" is "<reply>see firmware images" |
| 17:47.10 | jelly | sighs |
| 17:48.17 | omarek | jelly: No, it's an old-fashioned PC, forged by a blacksmith, with no front USB sockets. |
| 17:48.44 | omarek | Until yesterday, it had a core2duo and 4GB RAM DDR2. |
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| 17:49.29 | jelly | dpkg, no, firmware live buster is There are <live> system images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages at https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/ . Read <firmware images> for more details. |
| 17:49.30 | dpkg | jelly: okay |
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| 17:50.43 | omarek | Hmm, wait, what's the point for me to use a live firmware CD if I already have buster? Because scripts might be better at handling drivers than me? |
| 17:50.43 | ratrace | goot bot |
| 17:51.59 | jelly | omarek, you hinted you wanted to try bullseye |
| 17:52.24 | jelly | a live image of bullseye is a way to do that |
| 17:52.49 | jelly | ratrace, there might be a revert war going on. Or I'm crazy. |
| 17:52.56 | omarek | jelly: Didn't you just say say it it's a firmware BUSTER image? |
| 17:53.11 | jelly | omarek, yes, but there are also images for testing. |
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| 17:53.53 | jelly | omarek, go up three dirs, then weekly-live-builds |
| 17:54.18 | jelly | or weekly-builds or daily-builds for debian-installer |
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| 17:57.25 | omarek | jelly: It is so. |
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| 18:02.13 | omarek | jelly: Actually there are only .log files in there. No images. |
| 18:03.03 | omarek | This is the last time I have anything to do with Realtek. |
| 18:03.12 | jelly | nooo |
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| 18:05.57 | Bombo | hi |
| 18:06.37 | jelly | normal weekly live have also failed |
| 18:06.43 | Bombo | how can i list all packages that depend on another like 'apt show me every pakage that depends on libavformat58' |
| 18:06.52 | sney | rdepends |
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| 18:07.40 | jelly | Bombo, installed ones, or over the whole archive? |
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| 18:08.07 | Bombo | jelly: installed ones |
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| 18:09.44 | jelly | aptitude why libavformat58 |
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| 18:10.07 | jelly | add a -v for: (quoting the manual) If the verbosity level is 1 or more, then all the explanations aptitude can find will be displayed, in inverse order of relevance. |
| 18:10.27 | jelly | you will have to man aptitude to see what happens if you -vv |
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| 18:16.36 | Bombo | jelly: thank :) |
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| 18:23.42 | jelly | Bombo, if you don't have aptitude, you can --dry-run a removal: apt-get -s remove packagename, and see what the removal would have taken away |
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| 18:24.20 | omarek | Wait, no, 5.x kernel won't save me because nonfree official realtek driver is for kernels up to 5.6. Bullseye has 5.10? |
| 18:25.00 | sney | the newer mainline r8169 may save you |
| 18:25.09 | sney | ,kernels --release bullseye |
| 18:25.11 | judd | Available kernel versions are: stretch: 4.19.0-0.bpo.13-686 (4.19.160-2~deb9u1) |
| 18:25.13 | jelly | the idea is to see if the newer version of the FREE driver works better. |
| 18:25.34 | jelly | just ,kernels . |
| 18:26.28 | sney | the full ,kernels output is 2 lines and full of a lot of other gunk, I was trying to avoid that. uname -r from the bullseye system I'm typing on: 5.10.0-3-amd64 |
| 18:27.12 | omarek | When I tried to use a non-free driver, I did 'dpkg -i r8168-dkms', then I manually unloaded the module r8169. |
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| 18:28.14 | jelly | ,help kernels |
| 18:28.16 | judd | (kernels [--release <squeeze>]) -- Outputs the kernel versions in the archive, optionally restricted to one release. Note that semi-major releases like etchnhalf are treated as separate releases. |
| 18:28.23 | jelly | huh, so that should work |
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| 18:28.40 | sney | yep, I'm assuming it's on themill's todo list for bot maintenance |
| 18:29.43 | sney | omarek: it's easy to skip rebuilding dkms modules for a newer kernel, just don't install the headers package. you will need to remove the blacklist for r8169 though. |
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| 18:42.23 | omarek | Hmm I think I'll just buy a cheap network card that's confirmed to work with Linux. |
| 18:43.46 | omarek | Because this card is unbelievably sucky. |
| 18:44.43 | sney | it's surprising, usually those r8169 controllers are fine. nothing groundbreaking but they work |
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| 18:44.53 | sney | if you're going to spend money though, it's intel or nothing |
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| 18:45.23 | growly | lol. right on time for me to bitch about my intel i211 chip |
| 18:45.46 | growly | though i suspect the NIC is fine and every other thing i've plugged into this switch is garbage |
| 18:45.53 | wsky | don't bitch about the chip ;f |
| 18:47.49 | omarek | sney: Internet stopped working when I swapped mobo, CPU, and RAM. I only kept SATA drives, the case, PSU, keyboard, mouse, monitor. |
| 18:48.15 | omarek | sney: what do you suggest I could still do to give r8169 a chance? |
| 18:48.41 | sney | omarek: oh, I believe you. this one sounds like a dud. maybe there's a very minor factory defect on the motherboard or something. |
| 18:49.14 | omarek | sney: Yesterday I spent several hours scratching my head because I didn't push my RAM down hard enough. |
| 18:49.24 | omarek | It's more likely a user error with me I'm afraid. |
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| 18:51.10 | jelly | you should have listened to Salt'n'Pepa |
| 18:51.18 | ax562 | if your ram wasn't put in proper it would not be detected at boot |
| 18:51.26 | ax562 | lol |
| 18:51.40 | sney | if it's mis-seated you can sometimes get post fail and beeping |
| 18:51.59 | ax562 | sney never seen that before |
| 18:52.04 | omarek | ax562: And it was. CPU and DRAM leds lit up. |
| 18:52.20 | ax562 | yeah, i didn't think that would be an issue |
| 18:52.34 | sney | omarek: I think your plan of buying a new nic, like an e1000, is a good next step. even if the r8169 can work, the intel is still an upgrade, and they're like $30 |
| 18:52.37 | ax562 | but as sney said, it might have gave you a clue it wasn't in proper |
| 18:52.38 | omarek | ax562: But there were other possible cases, someone got those 2 leds glowing because he had drives on the same cable. |
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| 18:53.09 | omarek | ratrace: What was it that you were saying about Intel network cards? |
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| 18:53.36 | ax562 | omarek as sney stated , at this point, $30 dollar upgrade vs headache and nightmares...I go with investing the $30 |
| 18:53.43 | omarek | The thing is, radio connection here is still pretty crap, so I don't think it's worth spending much on a network card. |
| 18:54.02 | omarek | ax562: Probably, yes. |
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| 18:54.11 | ax562 | well, working card with crap signal > not working card |
| 18:54.52 | omarek | I'm a bit of a perfectionist (not really a good thing) and it leaves a bad taste that I have an unused component in my mobo. |
| 18:55.09 | ax562 | omarek I'm not sure if this was stated, but when dealing with exposed electronics it necessary to make sure you do not have charged static electricity. |
| 18:55.17 | omarek | But I don't use the Vega chip either. I got the Asrock mobo because all of them support ECC. |
| 18:55.46 | omarek | ax562: Do you mean I should finger my PC? |
| 18:56.15 | ax562 | they sell ground wrist bands which can keep you grounded or occacsionaly touching something do discharge like a a screw on the back of your tower etc. |
| 18:56.21 | ax562 | no fingering |
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| 18:56.53 | Delf | Is it possible to install Debian on a drive without any partition? |
| 18:57.01 | ax562 | it's very easy to destroy electronics seeing that static electricity normally comes with high current |
| 18:57.17 | ax562 | Delf yes it will ask to partition while install |
| 18:58.05 | ax562 | I recommend partitioning yourself before the install and just instructing debian installer where to install. That's what I normally do (less chance of errors during install). |
| 18:58.07 | Delf | But I don't want to partition |
| 18:58.13 | ax562 | then don't |
| 18:58.23 | ax562 | the install can and will do it for you. |
| 18:58.50 | sney | delf, are you saying you want to install to the whole disk with no partitions at all? why? |
| 18:59.17 | Delf | sney: Exactly! Because I have no use of partitions and it simplifies things for me |
| 19:00.08 | sney | the installer won't let you do that, I suppose you could debootstrap it, but if simplicity is what you want then just make 1 big partition that uses the whole disk |
| 19:00.34 | ax562 | ^ |
| 19:01.33 | sney | also if your system is efi you need multiple partitions for that to be able to boot. this is a technical requirement. the installer can set this up for you automatically as well. |
| 19:01.51 | omarek | It's like Intel is having the last laugh at my expense. I bought a Ryzen 5 5600. |
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| 19:02.52 | omarek | ax562: What common static electricity mistakes do I have to look for? No carpets were involved. |
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| 19:03.49 | Delf | Why wont the installer let me? |
| 19:03.58 | omarek | Delf: Do you want LVM? |
| 19:04.06 | Delf | No |
| 19:04.36 | sney | because the installer targets normal configurations. there is a fairly wide range of "normal", but using the whole disk without partitions is not within that range |
| 19:05.01 | Delf | What about if I use expert mode? |
| 19:05.29 | sney | partman is partman. expert mode just lets you skip installer steps and override stuff. |
| 19:06.07 | sney | maybe if you booted in expert mode, switched to a terminal, set up the disk and created the filesystem, the rest of the installer would detect it and be able to continue the install? |
| 19:06.12 | Delf | Does that mean I can skip the partman step and carry on with the installation? |
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| 19:06.53 | sney | this is pretty far off the mark of "simplified", but it might work, you are free to try anything with your computer |
| 19:07.09 | omarek | sney: What's e1000? Any models I should check? |
| 19:08.16 | sney | omarek: e1000 is the controller and the name of the kernel module. Intel usually sells them as "Pro 1000" or something like that. but really if you filter by intel and gigabit, any results you get should be good |
| 19:08.41 | omarek | My needs are pretty basic network-wise. I don't want to overspend. I stream movies sometimes and watch a lot of youtube, but not a netflix subscriber etc. |
| 19:09.13 | sney | this nic series has been around for a very long time, so it should be easy to find them cheap. |
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| 19:14.17 | ax56234 | omarek with static electricity its really hard to identify if something wennnnnt wrong, you would know if it happened, you would have felt static discharge. |
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| 19:15.56 | sney | ESD is worst in dry environments, so if the humidity is around 50% or higher where you are, it's less likely to be a real concern. |
| 19:16.24 | sney | still, you can get a grounding strap to be extra sure while working on your computer. hardware repair shops usually require their techs to use one. |
| 19:17.53 | omarek | ax56234: Never felt anything like that, no suspicious sound or spark. I have this hardware for 2nd day now I would remember. |
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| 19:18.29 | omarek | Okay, thank you guys and gals, I'm done fixing problems for today. |
| 19:18.45 | sney | np |
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| 19:19.01 | ax56234 | oh ok, yeah, it would have been something you felt, it just could be a bad card DOA , at this point, time to get dirty and spend that thirty :p |
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| 19:21.15 | Delf | sney: I created a file system in the console and selected that drive and it seems to be working. But now I don't know if it was necessary. I'm going to try again but this time without creating a file system in console. |
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| 19:26.58 | Delf | sney: It was necessary. But expert mode was not necessary. I just had to mkfs.btrfs /dev/sdX and get back to the installer and hit detect disks and it correctly detected the btrfs drive. |
| 19:27.28 | sney | you don't have to share the play-by-play, but feel free to ask if something breaks |
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| 19:28.56 | srged | Just got a canon mg2455 printer, whats the best way to install a driver for it? |
| 19:29.52 | sney | srged: try cups driverless or generic postscript first. many modern printers don't need a discrete driver. |
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| 19:33.17 | srged | sney: do u know the package name for cups driverless ? |
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| 19:33.32 | sney | cups-filters |
| 19:34.12 | Delf | Thanks, sney! |
| 19:35.04 | srged | thx |
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| 19:38.12 | srged | installed cups filters and nothing happens. also there is a yellow light blinking |
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| 19:38.24 | srged | at the printer |
| 19:38.40 | sney | you will have to configure the printer in the cups control panel or via your DE |
| 19:38.56 | sney | for understanding printer LEDs, refer to the manual that came with it. |
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| 19:43.46 | srged | cant see the cups CP |
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| 19:45.27 | sney | the cups admin interface is at http://localhost:631. If you are using gnome or plasma, the 'printers' option in your system settings is the same. |
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| 19:45.58 | srged | im using lxde |
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| 19:47.52 | srged | This site canât be reachedlocalhost refused to connect. |
| 19:48.03 | sney | sounds like cups is not running |
| 19:48.25 | sney | or maybe not even installed, since it should run by default. |
| 19:49.22 | srged | cups server error: failed to connect |
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| 19:50.41 | jelly | srged, is cups service started? |
| 19:51.01 | jelly | systemctl status cups |
| 19:51.02 | srged | jelly: no. i tried the printer settings from the menu |
| 19:51.22 | srged | Unit cups.service could not be found. |
| 19:51.33 | jelly | srged, is cups package installed at all? |
| 19:52.26 | srged | jelly: here https://paste.debian.net/1184971/ |
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| 19:53.42 | jelly | srged, that does not answer my question |
| 19:54.08 | jelly | install the package named cups if it's not installed. |
| 19:54.29 | srged | jelly: i have installed cups-filters. is that ok ? |
| 19:54.51 | jelly | srged, that is not enough. |
| 19:55.07 | srged | installing cups now |
| 19:55.33 | jelly | srged, do you know how to check if a package is installed? |
| 19:55.38 | jelly | dpkg -l packagename |
| 19:55.38 | dpkg | ii packagename 1.3-3.1 jelly's private warez collection |
| 19:55.45 | jelly | ^ like that. |
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| 19:56.12 | ratrace | bwahaha |
| 19:56.18 | jelly | next time, if I ask "is the package X installed", then you check if X is installed. not X-filters. Not X-Files. |
| 19:57.01 | ratrace | not Xorg... |
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| 19:57.59 | srged | cool thx |
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| 20:00.32 | growly | what about X-men |
| 20:00.59 | wsky | good cps2 game |
| 20:01.00 | growly | also why isn't the X11 manual called x-man |
| 20:01.17 | growly | lmao |
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| 20:08.32 | jelly | growly, because it's man X |
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| 20:09.18 | growly | opportunity missed |
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| 20:14.26 | srged | printer status stuck at 'processing' |
| 20:15.07 | jelly | srged, did you pick the correct model? |
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| 20:16.12 | jelly | if it's a dumb bitmap device, it might take a minute or more for the renderer to start sending pixels to the printer |
| 20:16.36 | srged | 11 minutes passed already |
| 20:17.18 | srged | yes i picked the right model |
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| 20:21.01 | srged | there is a yellow light that blinks 4 times which means no ink or low ink. could that be the problem ? |
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| 20:23.28 | jelly | yes, but also sometimes low ink results in a "low ink" status sent back to the computer |
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| 20:24.04 | TRS-80 | Good day, fellow wizards! |
| 20:24.29 | jelly | tips wizard hat |
| 20:25.15 | srged | yes so the printer is totally silent and the status remains at "processing" |
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| 20:27.06 | n4dir | growly: cause that name is taken ... minus the hyphen though |
| 20:27.37 | TRS-80 | Seems my colleagues in Armbian seem to be having bit of Debian specific question. I am embarrassed to say, though I have been using and promoting Debian for few years now, I have still not gotten around to delving deeply into all the internals and policies. And from my reading of the following thread, apparently the same from some of my colleagues (including guys much more knowledgeable than me |
| 20:27.38 | TRS-80 | an Armbian internals). Anyway, if anyone could perhaps offer any insight, it would be appreciated: https://forum.armbian.com/topic/13949-creating-packages-in-the-armbian-build-system/ |
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| 20:35.36 | neilthereildeil | hey guys |
| 20:35.43 | TRS-80 | hello |
| 20:35.56 | neilthereildeil | why is it better ot have a different partition for /tmp and /home, rather than adding everything to 1 root parittion? |
| 20:36.27 | TRS-80 | you can wipe and reinstall OS partition if anything goes wrong, without disturbing your data |
| 20:36.34 | sney | neilthereildeil: /tmp can live in memory, and memory is faster than disk. it's nice to have /home separate for recovery purposes. |
| 20:36.46 | TRS-80 | and that |
| 20:36.47 | sney | I don't know about universally "better" but there are good reasons to do it, depending on your environment |
| 20:36.57 | TRS-80 | right, it's just an option |
| 20:37.20 | karlpinc | neilthereildeil: If (if) you use LVM, you can resize individual partitions and having separate ones is less of a hassle. |
| 20:37.49 | TRS-80 | in Armbian for instance, we mount /tmp to RAM to also decrease wear on the flash memory (eMMC or sdcard) |
| 20:38.36 | n4dir | i just put it all on one partition. |
| 20:38.51 | jelly | what is "better" depends on the use case |
| 20:39.45 | jelly | we separate /opt and /var on servers, /home only on multiuser systems |
| 20:40.20 | karlpinc | (It's nice to have a shared home directory across multiple systems....) |
| 20:40.56 | jelly | not really |
| 20:41.36 | jelly | multiple _different_ linux systems working on the same home and dot files might mess up the configs |
| 20:41.58 | TRS-80 | yeah you would need to insure very similarly configured OS and packages, etc. |
| 20:42.29 | karlpinc | Yeah, mine are always the same OS/release. And generally don't have a desktop either. |
| 20:42.52 | n4dir | then why multiple systems? |
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| 20:43.05 | karlpinc | $work |
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| 20:43.19 | n4dir | don't use such nasty words in here. |
| 20:43.23 | sney | I wouldn't share a full /home because of configs and dotfiles, but ~/Documents sure |
| 20:43.35 | jelly | I just rsync a minimal HOME setup to each new machine |
| 20:43.38 | TRS-80 | Now, "reproducable systems" are nice, but I achieve that by keeping my dotfiles in a git repo wherein I have a Makefile that will create any number of defined system levels (basic shell only, full desktop, etc.) based off of a fresh Debian install as a base. |
| 20:43.51 | jelly | git would be an improvement. |
| 20:44.05 | greycat | shared $HOME is a traditional configuration that works well if you're careful, and don't run any Desktop Environments |
| 20:44.05 | karlpinc | Ansible, in git. :) |
| 20:44.12 | TRS-80 | jelly: if you only knew how far behind I was on commits :D |
| 20:44.39 | jelly | greycat, anything can work well if you're careful |
| 20:44.48 | greycat | yeah, it's not something I would recommend to a novice |
| 20:44.53 | jelly | windows 95 works well if you're careful |
| 20:45.29 | TRS-80 | careful + lots of knowledge (referring to GNU/Linux here /especially/ when you add a DE into the mix) |
| 20:45.34 | TRS-80 | is still learning |
| 20:45.55 | greycat | a DE will probably choke on lack of file locking over NFS, etc. |
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| 20:46.35 | greycat | traditional WMs are probably less dependent on fancy Linux crap, having been developed when a shared NFS $HOME was a lot more common |
| 20:46.48 | TRS-80 | yeah which is why I took and recommend above mentioned approach |
| 20:47.02 | TRS-80 | but even then, it has been a slow and steady learning process |
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| 20:47.44 | Strogg | I've got python3.8 and 3.9 installed on my system.. I guess 3.9 is used by default for python3.. but I ahve a lot of packages which are failing to install because of the changes to HTMLParser module. can I just uninstall python3.9 and use 3.8 by default? When I go to apt remove 3.8, apt wants to remove everything pyhon3 as well |
| 20:47.46 | mspe | like sharing firefox and thunderbird between more recent and older versions between the different distros is a recipe for trouble! |
| 20:48.04 | jelly | ,c licq |
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| 20:48.07 | jelly | ,v licq |
| 20:48.08 | judd | Package: licq on amd64 -- jessie: 1.8.2-1+b1 |
| 20:48.22 | neilthereildeil | should /boot be in a separeate parition? |
| 20:48.29 | jelly | ,v python3 |
| 20:48.30 | judd | Package: python3 on amd64 -- jessie: 3.4.2-2; stretch: 3.5.3-1; buster: 3.7.3-1; bullseye: 3.9.1-1; sid: 3.9.1-1 |
| 20:48.31 | greycat | Depends. |
| 20:48.38 | neilthereildeil | can i have /boot be part of the / partition with ext4? |
| 20:48.43 | greycat | separate /boot is advisable if you're doing fancy things like encryption |
| 20:48.48 | neilthereildeil | no |
| 20:48.50 | neilthereildeil | no encryption |
| 20:48.54 | TRS-80 | neilthereildeil: I think it depends on bootloader and hardware, too |
| 20:48.59 | neilthereildeil | its a server |
| 20:49.02 | jelly | Strogg, in general you can't remove the version that system tools depend on and that provides /usr/bin/python3 |
| 20:49.10 | TRS-80 | but that's more applicable to like SBC than x86 I think |
| 20:49.11 | neilthereildeil | im making an LVM resizeable / partition that hsould be bootable |
| 20:49.34 | greycat | /boot inside root on LVM should be OK, I believe |
| 20:49.35 | TRS-80 | Strogg: Also https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
| 20:49.48 | n4dir | the debian install has defaults one click operations even for the more fancy stuff though, no? |
| 20:49.49 | sney | /boot is on the root partition on this system |
| 20:49.56 | jelly | ,v python3.8 |
| 20:49.57 | judd | No package named 'python3.8' was found in amd64. |
| 20:50.00 | jelly | ,v python3.9 |
| 20:50.01 | judd | Package: python3.9 on amd64 -- bullseye: 3.9.1-4; sid: 3.9.1-4 |
| 20:50.07 | Strogg | hrmmm |
| 20:50.08 | lastshell | Is there a way to use wpasupplicant with the new network name convention, im currently have a custom rc.local called for a systemd unit that runs this: |
| 20:50.12 | neilthereildeil | this has to be high performance |
| 20:50.14 | lastshell | ip link set wlp4s0 name wlan0 |
| 20:50.14 | lastshell | ifup wlan0 |
| 20:50.37 | n4dir | iirc encrypton minus lvm was a bit of a clusterfuck |
| 20:50.39 | TRS-80 | Strogg: You are having problem with system packages? Or user installed? |
| 20:50.42 | jelly | Strogg, since 3.8 is gone, you'll have to acquire it some other way and put it maybe into /opt/python3.8 |
| 20:51.47 | Strogg | TRS-80: this is just python modules that haven't made it into debian yet. I guess I'll have to setup a python environment for it, but that's a bit of a nuisance |
| 20:51.54 | Thete | don't break debian lulz |
| 20:52.32 | Strogg | I don't blame debian for this.. this is on python's head and removing functionality everyone was using. I was just wondering if debian had a neat way around the issue. you never know and can't hurt to ask. hehe |
| 20:52.38 | Thete | that's no fun |
| 20:53.28 | mspe | neilthereildeil: you can have encrypted data on a server |
| 20:53.35 | TRS-80 | recalling the times I seem to have broken Debian, I seem to recall Python being involved (along mith my own disregard of above link) but I could be wrong and nowadays Debian seem to default pip3 install to --user which I think it a lot more sensible |
| 20:54.02 | neilthereildeil | nah i dont wanna encrypt anything |
| 20:54.27 | jelly | Strogg, if it's an often used module, you might want to file a bug report to get it reinstated if possible |
| 20:54.33 | karlpinc | TRS-80: Mixing package managers (pip + apt) is always a bad idea. |
| 20:54.46 | Strogg | TRS-80: oh yeah. same. anything I install, I put in my own ~/usr. but that doesn't help me if the module itself won't even install. hehe |
| 20:55.25 | jelly | karlpinc, which is why we do it in venv / virtualenv |
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| 20:55.58 | Thete | docker all the things |
| 20:56.12 | TRS-80 | as long as you don't sudo, pip3 seems to install to ~/.local/... which I find a lot more sane and easier than the myriad "now this is the one true way, no now it's this one, no now this one" sort if confusing nonsense I experienced in past with Python |
| 20:56.17 | karlpinc | I prefer venvs over docker. |
| 20:56.29 | Thete | can venvs inside containers tho |
| 20:56.37 | karlpinc | Of course they're not the same thing. |
| 20:56.42 | Thete | I'm teasin |
| 20:56.52 | karlpinc | ;) |
| 20:57.01 | Strogg | nah. Iv'e got a couple things installed in /opt (mostly proprietary toolchains), but anything in my system is debian |
| 20:57.35 | Strogg | resumes kicking python3.9 in the shins |
| 20:57.58 | Thete | aww, what's wrong with 3.9, I like it |
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| 21:04.50 | jelly | Thete, keep at least the majority of your comments in this channel to constructive ones. Quips and non-support -> #debian-offtopic |
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| 21:14.24 | Strogg | ok. I'm less annoyed at python3.8 now. apparently when I installed python3.9, it didn't also upgrade python3-setuptools. So the setuptools module was trying to use methods from python3.8 and failing. manually upgrading python3-setuptools fixed the issue |
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| 21:15.11 | Strogg | err.. s/(annoyed at python) 3.8/\1 3.9/ |
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| 21:15.49 | Thete | jelly: I was seriously asking him what was wrong with 3.8 but understood |
| 21:16.07 | Thete | *3.9 |
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| 21:22.28 | jaggz | how do I search non-free repos? trying to find if libcudart.so.10.0 is available for buster |
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| 21:23.38 | sney | ,file libcudart.so.10.0 |
| 21:23.42 | ax562 | you have to add the non free repos and you could do "apt search xxx" or "apt-cache search xxx" |
| 21:23.43 | judd | No packages in buster/amd64 were found with that file. |
| 21:23.44 | n4dir | jaggz: i find version 9 and 11 |
| 21:23.48 | greycat | apt-cache or apt will search whatever sources you've configured it to use |
| 21:23.48 | jaggz | oh, I thought libcudart10.1, on my system, came from non-free bpo, but now I see it's only listing its source as /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 21:24.22 | jaggz | so sometime that got on here and stayed. interesting |
| 21:24.26 | greycat | ,v libcudart10.1 |
| 21:24.27 | judd | No package named 'libcudart10.1' was found in amd64. |
| 21:24.41 | jaggz | tensorflow seems to require 10.0 of a bunch of these cuda libs |
| 21:24.52 | greycat | ,v libcudart10 |
| 21:24.53 | judd | No package named 'libcudart10' was found in amd64. |
| 21:25.14 | greycat | *sigh* it is SO obnoxious trying to guess a library's package name |
| 21:25.48 | greycat | ,v libcudart9.2 |
| 21:25.49 | judd | Package: libcudart9.2 on amd64 -- buster/non-free: 9.2.148-7 |
| 21:26.01 | greycat | so buster has libcudart9.2 and bullseye has libcudart11.0 |
| 21:26.09 | greycat | I see nothing in between |
| 21:26.53 | jaggz | what I resorted to was installing some python thing "conda install cudatoolkit=10.0", which installs those libs in my miniconda directories, then setting export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/home/jaggz/miniconda3/pkgs/cudatoolkit-10.0.130-hf841e97_6/lib |
| 21:27.07 | jaggz | thanks |
| 21:27.24 | jaggz | but, is it .so obnoxious, greycat ? |
| 21:27.48 | jaggz | or sometimes .a.bnoxious |
| 21:28.08 | jaggz | groans and decides he needs coffee. |
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| 21:31.23 | greycat | jaggz: well, that library probably came from somewhere other than Debian, unless it was in testing or unstable for a brief time, in which case you could find it on snapshot |
| 21:32.54 | sney | yep, nvidia-cuda-toolkit 10.x was in testing starting 2019-07 |
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| 21:35.13 | greycat | !snapshot |
| 21:35.13 | dpkg | http://snapshot.debian.org/ is an archive of almost all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way non-free. This service replaces snapshot.debian.net. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100412 |
| 21:35.24 | neilthereildeil | do i need the EFI partition? |
| 21:35.34 | neilthereildeil | what happens if i delete it when installing a new system? |
| 21:35.37 | greycat | Depends. Are you booting in UEFI mode? |
| 21:35.41 | neilthereildeil | and i dont include it in the new installation? |
| 21:36.06 | greycat | Does your computer have the ability to boot in Legacy mode? |
| 21:36.22 | neilthereildeil | ohh wait i need it for EFI boot |
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| 21:38.51 | jezebel | hello |
| 21:39.05 | jezebel | how can i receive files via bluetooth? |
| 21:39.38 | jezebel | i have bluez-obexd installed |
| 21:39.50 | jezebel | but systemctl doesn't seem to 'see' it |
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| 21:43.30 | ax562 | jezbel the best way is to go to blutooth devices, select which device you want to send file to and then use the "send file" function. |
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| 21:46.58 | jezebel | ax562⦠i want to receive a file |
| 21:47.12 | ax562 | oh ok, nm. |
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| 21:58.41 | neilthereildeil | i didnt see a place to force /boot to be bootable in the GUI installer, but i saw the EFI partition is automatically marked bootable. should /boot also be marked bootable? |
| 21:59.09 | greycat | Nothing cares about that except you. |
| 21:59.29 | greycat | Or maybe the old MS-DOS boot record. |
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| 22:29.25 | jezebel | how do i set per user resources for xterm? |
| 22:29.53 | jezebel | ~/.Xresources doesn't seem to be applied |
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| 22:31.31 | KNERD | usually have to log out and back in to take affect, but maybe you did that aready |
| 22:32.04 | jezebel | yep |
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| 22:41.05 | derpadmin | Evildio : before you asl, not me |
| 22:41.18 | derpadmin | I have ~/.local/bin |
| 22:41.46 | derpadmin | *Evidlo |
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