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| 01:57.03 | ChetManly | just upgraded to buster, wicd needs to be restarted and may cause UI issues. I dont have wifi connectivity anymore to do a apt dist-upgrade so I tried to plug in a ethernet cord but ifup eth0 is no such device even thou its clearly is eth0 when I ls /sys/class/net |
| 01:57.37 | sney | ifup only works on devices defined in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 01:57.49 | ChetManly | oh |
| 01:57.55 | ChetManly | let me check |
| 01:58.13 | sney | 'man 5 interfaces' for syntax, and there are various examples on the debian wiki |
| 01:59.27 | ChetManly | I only have loopback there |
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| 02:01.33 | ChetManly | oh I have to add it there |
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| 02:08.04 | ChetManly | sney, thanks |
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| 02:16.02 | ChetManly | I have some dependency issues/ conflict issues going on and it keeps asking me to try harder? should I keep asking it to try harder or is it too long? |
| 02:16.21 | ChetManly | from dist-upgrade |
| 02:16.42 | ChetManly | I have said yes like four times now |
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| 02:18.14 | ChetManly | oh nevermind it did try harder |
| 02:18.44 | ChetManly | deb > rpm = forever |
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| 03:57.16 | jim | hi... is there a binary kernel package that fixes that 24-year-old tcp bug? |
| 03:58.12 | sney | jim: it's a long article, but towards the end it says "Eventually it found its way to the stable 4.9 and 4.19 kernel series that we use on our Debian systems, in 4.9.241 and 4.19.153 respectively." |
| 03:58.26 | sney | so, you already have it, probably. |
| 03:58.44 | sney | ,kernels --release stable |
| 03:58.45 | judd | Available kernel versions are: stretch: 4.19.0-0.bpo.14-686 (4.19.171-2~deb9u1) |
| 03:58.45 | jim | that's right, the article said they were using debian |
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| 04:06.21 | jim | on -this- machine I'm running... 5.4.0-4-rt-amd64, on the gateway, 4.9.0-14-amd64 (still cant upgrade this one), and on the laptop, 5.8.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 |
| 04:07.46 | sney | right, so 4.19.0-14 is 4.19.171 which is a newer 4.19 than 4.19.153 where the patch was introduced. |
| 04:08.11 | sney | oddly, that's the only one patched, since 5.4 and 5.8 were backported before the patch became available |
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| 04:25.04 | jim | sney, so I'd be looking for newer/patched versions of those kernels (in buster backports maybe)? |
| 04:25.38 | jim | sney, thanks btw, you've been very helpful |
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| 04:30.37 | oxek | sney is a star |
| 04:37.11 | russell-- | apt is deleting my .deb's after installation, how do i turn that off, as i'd like to keep them |
| 04:38.26 | nkuttler | russell--: they are deleted from /var/cache/apt/archives/ ? |
| 04:39.14 | themill | russell--: use apt-get or set the relevant config option for apt |
| 04:39.56 | nkuttler | apt defaults to deleting packages? |
| 04:40.18 | themill | it defaults to cleaning up /var/cache/apt/archives, yes |
| 04:40.29 | nkuttler | eh.. |
| 04:41.05 | themill | apt(8) is designed to be a simple end-user tool, and a simple end-user tool shouldn't fill your hard disk with junk and generate lots of bug reports about it doing so |
| 04:43.28 | russell-- | themill: what is the relevant config option? |
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| 04:45.52 | themill | iirc, APT::CleanInstalled |
| 04:48.08 | imMute | russell--: what command are you using to install the package? |
| 04:48.23 | themill | oh, might be APT::Keep-Downloaded-Packages |
| 04:49.33 | russell-- | apt install $foo |
| 04:49.46 | imMute | $foo is the path to the deb, and it's not in /var/cache/apt/archives/ ? |
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| 04:49.58 | russell-- | no it's the package name |
| 04:50.09 | russell-- | it's downloaded and at the end it's unlinked |
| 04:50.16 | imMute | so which .deb are you not wanting deleted? |
| 04:50.34 | russell-- | is there a way of dumping all the active options? |
| 04:50.58 | russell-- | imMute: the deb for the $foo package |
| 04:51.14 | themill | apt-config dump |
| 04:52.46 | russell-- | imMute: this is near the end of the strace: |
| 04:52.49 | russell-- | 1190628 20:30:40.788660 unlink("/var/cache/apt/archives/grub-pc_2.04-1ubuntu26.8_amd64.deb") = 0 |
| 04:54.15 | themill | russell--: you probably want #ubuntu as we have no idea how they might change the config of apt. http://paste.debian.net/1185302/ |
| 04:54.21 | russell-- | Binary::apt::APT::Keep-Downloaded-Packages "0"; |
| 04:55.23 | Taserface | does apt-get do that too? |
| 04:55.32 | Taserface | as in automatically clean packages |
| 04:55.35 | themill | no |
| 04:55.51 | Taserface | so that explains why I always have to do it :) |
| 04:56.42 | russell-- | i only asked here because from what i can tell, they are using debians apt unmodified, although default configuration could be different |
| 04:56.59 | themill | The apt developers are trying to make apt(8) better by tweaking its behaviour, while making apt-get(8) do the same thing it always has |
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| 05:16.13 | russell-- | this worked: |
| 05:16.14 | russell-- | # cat /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/01keep-debs |
| 05:16.15 | russell-- | Binary::apt::Apt::Keep-Downloaded-Packages "true"; |
| 05:16.42 | imMute | is there a reason you need it to keep the packages? |
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| 05:21.29 | russell-- | yeah, i keep them for accounting purposes also a share a local package archive so it cuts down on downloads |
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| 05:31.08 | themill | russell--: the "Binary::apt::" bit isn't needed, that's an internal detail of apt's. As an alternative to keeping the cache and sharing it, something like apt-cacher-ng might be an effective shared solution for you |
| 05:34.29 | russell-- | themill: without the prefix: |
| 05:34.30 | russell-- | # apt-config dump | grep Keep-Downloaded |
| 05:34.30 | russell-- | APT::Keep-Downloaded-Packages "true"; |
| 05:34.30 | russell-- | Binary::apt::APT::Keep-Downloaded-Packages "0"; |
| 05:34.42 | russell-- | prefix apparently needed |
| 05:47.41 | themill | russell--: that's only showing that the default for Binary::apt is false, not the overridden setting. |
| 05:47.58 | themill | see the pastebin I made earlier |
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| 05:53.01 | Lope | hey guys am I being blonde? |
| 05:53.20 | Lope | I've got a system with no kernels and no initrd in /boot |
| 05:53.57 | Lope | If I run `apt install --reinstall linux-image-amd64 linux-headers-amd64` it doesn't add kernels or initrd. |
| 05:55.04 | Lope | I even tried `apt remove -y linux-image-amd64 linux-headers-amd64; apt install -y linux-image-amd64 linux-headers-amd64` |
| 05:55.49 | Lope | I've got initramfs-tools installed |
| 05:57.40 | Lope | oh I see. it thinks I've got various kernels installed |
| 05:57.49 | Lope | so I need to do an autoremove then install. |
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| 06:22.29 | russell-- | themill: it didn't work |
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| 06:43.59 | Lope | gtg l8r ppl |
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| 07:51.05 | kristijonas | Hello, after compiling something from source, or messing with something else (can't remember), i am getting: https://paste.debian.net/1185307/ every single time at the end of apt install. Also machine doesn't boot: https://pasteboard.co/JO8gMAS.jpg unless i manually select Linux 4.19.0-13 in advanced options |
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| 07:57.49 | diogenes_ | kristijonas, it tells you that no space left |
| 07:58.13 | diogenes_ | you filled up / |
| 07:58.59 | milkt | kristijonas: i think you have multiple linux-image-* package installed, try removing old one? |
| 08:05.08 | kristijonas | milkt, dpkg -l | grep linux-image | awk '{print$2}' returns: linux-image-4.19.0-10-amd64 to linux-image-4.19.0-14-amd64 (10,11,12,13, 14) |
| 08:06.18 | kristijonas | milkt, since it seems like there is an issue with 14 version (and it tried to be booted by default), just remove this one and update grub, right? |
| 08:08.21 | milkt | kristijonas: i think removing 10 to 12 and running apt fix or something will solve it though, not so sure |
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| 10:09.34 | Thete | Is there anything I need to do post-install on Debian 10 for a laptop? like temperature management/fans/etc? |
| 10:13.23 | Thete | thermald? tlp? |
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| 10:46.51 | DustyDingo | after a system upgrade from buster to bullseye all my meta-keys don't work in the terminal. they work in a tty tho. any idea how i can fix this? (no ctrl, alt,...) |
| 10:47.17 | DustyDingo | i have purged all configurations of terminfo already,... |
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| 10:52.19 | noisemaker | Is there any GUI app to config mouse buttons and wheel settings at XFCE? |
| 10:54.02 | hagbard_ | Settings->Mouse and Touchpad |
| 10:55.09 | noisemaker | hagbard_: there is not settings for the wheel and extra mouse buttons |
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| 11:17.33 | alex11 | !debian-next |
| 11:17.33 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also https://wiki.debian.org/IRC and https://wiki.debian.org/GettingHelpOnIrc |
| 11:17.36 | alex11 | DustyDingo, ^ |
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| 11:26.20 | Miles8of9 | they want to keep their secrets oftc..! |
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| 13:50.43 | jaalto | Can aynobody explain what's missing and why date(1) isn't correct. PROBLLEM: timedatectl status => Europe/Helsinki ... Local time: Sat 2021-02-13 15:39:28 EET [but] date => 03:48:18 EET. |
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| 13:52.44 | jaalto | date problem: https://pastebin.com/P500Vnc3 |
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| 13:59.34 | jaalto | why this happens: date '+%H:%M' ; date => 15:58 ; Sat 13 Feb 2021 03:58:49 PM EET |
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| 14:13.00 | EdePopede | jaalto: you're UTC+2 and your locale seems is probably en_US.utf8 |
| 14:13.01 | GNU\colossus | jaalto, you mean the format date(1) emits? what's your LC_TIME set to, or what is your default locale? |
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| 14:14.30 | HD|Laptop | Hey all. Someone here who can help me get a Nvidia GT710 running on Debian Stable (via nouveau)? The catch is - I'm running in a KVM virtual machine with PCI passthrough, host OS is Debian Testing. |
| 14:16.45 | HD|Laptop | The card is recognized in the VM just fine, startx -- -logverbose 6 doesn't show errors, Xorg.log doesn't show errors - but xrandr -q doesn't show the Nvidia card, only the QEMU builtin. |
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| 14:23.41 | zykotick9 | HD|Laptop: "QEMU builtin" <- i needed to "remove" all other displays from each VM's settings in VirtManager prior to GPU passthrough working for me (I don't thing your VM should have ANY other display besides the HW nvidia, YMMV). Good luck. |
| 14:24.32 | HD|Laptop | I can't boot the machine when I remove the built-in GPU though, Debian doesn't even come up. |
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| 14:25.05 | zykotick9 | you are using UEFI and NOT BIOS right? I couldn't boot with passthrough and BIOS. |
| 14:25.18 | HD|Laptop | And since seabios doesn't have serial console io and for whatever the f..k reason GRUB doesn't do serial I/O either, I can't find out why |
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| 14:25.54 | HD|Laptop | zykotick9, I am in BIOS mode because I need to find a way for that goddamn GPU to work in BIOS mode, as the eventual target is to get a Win7 running |
| 14:26.23 | HD|Laptop | the problem with Win7 however is that the installer ISO does not like UEFI. For whatever reason I can't even manage to *boot* from it, all I get is that UEFI shell |
| 14:26.30 | zykotick9 | HD|Laptop: OK. I wish you good luck, I couldn't get the setup you're trying to work. |
| 14:26.34 | HD|Laptop | :( |
| 14:26.42 | HD|Laptop | PCI passthrough is one of a minefield. |
| 14:26.58 | zykotick9 | HD|Laptop: i'd agree with that ;) |
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| 14:27.19 | HD|Laptop | the funny thing is: the card is detected by xorg |
| 14:27.27 | HD|Laptop | [ 227.080] (II) modeset(G0): EDID for output VGA-1-1 |
| 14:27.28 | HD|Laptop | [ 227.080] (II) modeset(G0): Manufacturer: ACR Model: 1df Serial#: 276885200 |
| 14:27.34 | HD|Laptop | Including the monitor that's attached |
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| 14:28.12 | HD|Laptop | the question is, what is wrong with Xorg? Why doesn't xrandr detect the card / screen? |
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| 14:29.07 | HD|Laptop | (for what it's worth I'm trying to use nouveau since I don't want to deal with proprietary crap on top of PCIe PT |
| 14:29.10 | zykotick9 | HD|Laptop: if you are using BIOS I believe you need to "dump the GPU's BIOS somehow and provide it to libvirt somehow" <- why I used UEFI |
| 14:29.16 | HD|Laptop | That I already did |
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| 14:29.54 | zykotick9 | ok |
| 14:29.55 | HD|Laptop | extracted the rom (nouveau has a feature for that \o/) and made it available to kvm: <rom file='/usr/share/vgabios/gt710.rom'/> |
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| 14:31.13 | zykotick9 | HD|Laptop: there is a #virt channel on OFTC (doesn't get a lot of traffic) if you don't get a reply here, you might want to try there. |
| 14:31.57 | HD|Laptop | thanks. lets see if someone is here who has a deeper understanding of xorg, I hope that is the solution in the end... |
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| 14:35.49 | HD|Laptop | ah come on. what the fuck. looks like i'd need a 8xx series NVIDIA GPU?! https://www.linux-kvm.org/images/b/b3/01x09b-VFIOandYou-small.pdf |
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| 14:39.23 | jaalto | EdePopede: Thanks, the locale was the problem |
| 14:41.12 | jaalto | About settingg locales. If I run "localectl set-locale LANG=C.UTF-8", command "locale" still displays "en_US.UTF-8" in new terminal |
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| 14:45.10 | zykotick9 | HD|Laptop: sidenote I was successfully passingthrough a "GTX 760" |
| 14:48.06 | HD|Laptop | zykotick9, it... looks like i found the issue. virt-manager was the culprit. |
| 14:48.24 | HD|Laptop | despite me checking the ROM BAR option, it did not do the bar="on" option. |
| 14:49.18 | HD|Laptop | ok great, so now i have a working GPU passthrough in linux. Hopefully this will also now work in Windows... |
| 14:50.37 | zykotick9 | HD|Laptop: nice! enjoy. |
| 14:52.31 | HD|Laptop | and possibly, also https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/332299/29580 did the trick, dunno if it was that or bar="on" |
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| 14:55.59 | zykotick9 | HD|Laptop: i noticed the RedHat PDF you linked earlier has the solution for Windows Device Manager code 43... if you run into it with Win7 (I sure did with Win10). |
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| 14:58.26 | HD|Laptop | zykotick9, unfortunately i'm running into a *different* error in w7: not enough resources (error 12) |
| 14:59.02 | zykotick9 | I got nothing... |
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| 14:59.18 | HD|Laptop | ahh hmm. lets see what happens when I remove the builtin vga from the windows machine |
| 14:59.34 | srged | I just installed spotify but I am unable to find/lauch it |
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| 15:02.22 | HD|Laptop | zykotick9, *that* did the trick now. just... wtf? i dont get what problems windows has |
| 15:02.30 | HD|Laptop | (other than it being windows ofc |
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| 15:10.54 | zykotick9 | srged: if you added the spotify repo, using "dpkg -L spotify-client" should list all the files the package installed. If you used SNAP, I have NO idea. |
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| 15:15.09 | srged | zykotick9: snap here |
| 15:15.50 | zykotick9 | srged: good luck. |
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| 15:58.38 | srged | Tried to install sporify various methods and it fails |
| 15:58.45 | srged | *spotify |
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| 16:00.54 | HelloShitty | Hello. I have a physical volume with a single volume group in my SDD but the logical volume I create on it in the first place is only using half of the space of the entire physical volume. How can I create another logical volume that will use the remaining free space? I mean, `lvcreate` needs -L size, but can't I avoid this -L size so that no space remains unusued? |
| 16:01.55 | HelloShitty | I was looking for something like "-L free-remaining-space" option |
| 16:02.47 | HelloShitty | In my case I have like 225Gbs available, but if I try to use this exact value, probably it will fail because it might need some free space for metadata |
| 16:03.06 | abrotman | HelloShitty: IIRC, you can just say 100% |
| 16:03.31 | HelloShitty | If I chose 224G and the metadata uses only 100Mb, then, there will still be 900Mb unusued |
| 16:03.45 | jmcnaught | HelloShitty: you can use percent or %FREE with -l or --extents (see the man page) |
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| 16:04.00 | HelloShitty | oh, ok, I'll check |
| 16:04.05 | HelloShitty | thank you |
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| 16:17.16 | DarkTrick | gjiten |
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| 17:36.40 | yskapell | hello all |
| 17:37.04 | yskapell | I have install debian 10 and after a while it go to suspend mode unless I login on MATE |
| 17:37.28 | yskapell | any idea what I am missing for not go to suspend mode? |
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| 17:40.48 | ratrace | yskapell: "unless"? and if you log in, then it's not suspending after a while? |
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| 17:44.22 | yskapell | yes |
| 17:44.52 | yskapell | if I stay in login screen go for suspend |
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| 17:46.07 | ratrace | yskapell: which display manager? |
| 17:47.18 | yskapell | gdm3 |
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| 18:00.14 | ratrace | yskapell: so gdm apparently has settings different from teh session it runs. maybe this is relevant: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/361214/disable-gdm-suspend-on-lock-screen |
| 18:05.52 | yskapell | ratrace: thank you. I will check it |
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| 18:44.26 | velix | Is there a debian script to create the network config file from the current settings, like iptables-save for iptables rules? |
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| 20:23.33 | badsektr | nobody uses debian anymore |
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| 20:26.31 | _shawn | I know he left already, but I checked and there is only three other distro channels on freenode with more users than #debian at the moment |
| 20:26.59 | _shawn | and the differences is in tens of people |
| 20:29.44 | EdePopede | _shawn: to be fair, you'd have to substract the kali users ;) |
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| 20:40.39 | dannylee | i just got Debian 9.13 on my computer...its really good...i have LXDE Desktop...an it works...i switch from Fedora to Debian...fedora is still OK... |
| 20:41.59 | aminvakil | dannylee: any reason you haven't used debian 10 buster? |
| 20:42.58 | dannylee | Debian is a bit faster in all task...i'm a bit stupid...Buster is ok i guess.. |
| 20:43.34 | aminvakil | you haven't used arch yet :P |
| 20:43.47 | aminvakil | i use arch btw |
| 20:44.28 | dannylee | i install workstation LXDE an Debian Default.. |
| 20:45.07 | dannylee | i should have put KDE too...just check all the Box |
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| 20:46.47 | dannylee | the installation is easy enough... |
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| 20:49.51 | reiffert | Hey guys, I'm on buster and I'm trying to install grub efi on a md0 raid1 2 x nvme 1TB but the box keeps rebooting. Can someone share some advice please. I was following this here https://docs.hetzner.com/robot/dedicated-server/operating-systems/efi-system-partition/ |
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| 20:54.04 | nintendo3DS | I set up postfix and sent an email to my account on the machine from telnet, I see the event in /var/log/mail.log but my mail file is empty |
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| 21:10.15 | nintendo3DS | turned out it's just another one of those pretentious programs that don't let you use it properly as root |
| 21:15.07 | another | reiffert: did you get any errors? |
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| 21:19.55 | jhutchins | I built a new laptop on buster. We'll see if there are any gotchas, then consider doing the two desktops. |
| 21:20.03 | jhutchins | I'm dreading upgrading the server. |
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| 22:06.14 | pocock | https://debian.community/nicolas-dandrimont-maria-climent-pommeret-outreachy-gsoc-conflict-of-interest-policy/ |
| 22:06.23 | pocock | unbelievable |
| 22:06.28 | pocock | but true |
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| 23:12.49 | Antoine- | Hello, what is a good way of making backup over network? I currently have a home server that periodically fetches important files from my router then makes a backup. The problem is that I need to have the keys to my router in my home server. So if my home server is compromised, my router is compromised as well. |
| 23:13.41 | Antoine- | Should I do it the other way around: have my router desposit the important files to my home server? This way, it would still have the keys to my home server, but it could be the keys for a low privilege user. |
| 23:13.53 | Antoine- | Is that a good way of doing backups? |
| 23:14.31 | milkt | Antoine-: what key are you using? |
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| 23:15.09 | Antoine- | milkt: I'm not sure I understood your question. I made them with `ssh-keygen -t ed25519` |
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| 23:19.47 | aminvakil | I guess if your home server is comprised you'll have more troubles than thinking about your router getting comprised |
| 23:20.42 | Antoine- | aminvakil: True |
| 23:20.54 | milkt | Antoine-: so are you using rsync over ssh or something? |
| 23:21.26 | Antoine- | milkt: I am using scp. I'm dealing with small configuration files |
| 23:22.36 | milkt | i think you need to put key on homeserver or router if you have to decrypt file in that machine |
| 23:22.52 | aminvakil | Out of curiosity what options do you have with your router sending configuration files? On ftp, ssh, ? |
| 23:23.40 | milkt | not sure what you mean with "backup" though |
| 23:24.50 | aminvakil | I used the same method previously, backing up some configuration files from server on my laptop periodically, what I did was encrypting it with gpg just after copying files from server to my laptop |
| 23:27.19 | Antoine- | aminvakil: Do you mean which program I have available to send my files? I only tried with scp. (I'm not sure I understood you question correctly, sorry..) |
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| 23:28.04 | aminvakil | You said you can instruct your router to send its configuration files instead of retrieving files from it |
| 23:28.12 | aminvakil | How can your router do so? |
| 23:28.17 | Antoine- | milkt: I meant saving snapshots of my config file. That's in case I mess something up, I can always restore my config to a working state |
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| 23:28.25 | Antoine- | At least I hope :) |
| 23:29.56 | aminvakil | 02:43 <Antoine-> Should I do it the other way around: have my router desposit the important files to my home server? This way, it would still have the keys to my home server, but it could be the keys for a low privilege user. |
| 23:30.30 | aminvakil | Offtopic here though, nevermind |
| 23:30.50 | milkt | Antoine-: then what about making keypair on your local pc and send pubkey to router or homeserver? |
| 23:31.20 | Antoine- | aminvakil: Right. That's not how it is currently set up so I'm just thinking about a way atm. But I thought about something like, sending the file from the router to the home server at 20:00 with a cron job, then doing my backup (moving the file to somewhere else or archive it in some way) at 21:00. |
| 23:31.31 | Antoine- | Idk if that's a reliable way |
| 23:31.46 | aminvakil | What is your router? |
| 23:32.18 | Antoine- | aminvakil: What software it runs you mean? It runs pfsense |
| 23:32.31 | aminvakil | Gotcha |
| 23:33.24 | aminvakil | Either way, I guess appropriate way is to keep it on an encrypted partition and encrypting it with gpg keys |
| 23:34.15 | aminvakil | Although keeping private key to access router in plaintext kills the whole purpose... |
| 23:34.32 | Antoine- | milkt: I don't understand how that would help me, sorry :s. That way I could access my home server and router from my local pc? But I'd like to have my home server manage the backups |
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| 23:36.41 | Antoine- | aminvakil: What bothers me is having my router's keys on my home server.. |
| 23:36.44 | milkt | Antoine-: so do you mean, home server should be able to decrypt but should not have key? |
| 23:37.53 | Antoine- | I don't know if I should be worried about having my router's key on my home server at all. If so, is it possible to avoid it while still making backups |
| 23:38.15 | Taserface | is your router more secure than your home server? |
| 23:38.39 | Taserface | i.e. is access more tightly controlled? |
| 23:39.03 | Antoine- | So I thought about having my router connect to my home server instead because I could set it up in such a way that it only logs in as a low privileged user |
| 23:39.21 | Antoine- | But maybe all this isn't relevant and I'm worrying for nothing :) |
| 23:40.12 | aminvakil | It depends, low privilege user can do much more damage in some environment than root on an environment which does not contain much important data |
| 23:40.28 | Antoine- | Taserface: Less people have access to my router. Less services running on it. I don't know if that makes it more secure. Maybe |
| 23:40.56 | Antoine- | aminvakil: Hmmm, good point |
| 23:41.59 | aminvakil | Can you connect a usb flash drive to your pfsense installation? |
| 23:42.36 | Antoine- | aminvakil: Yes |
| 23:42.39 | aminvakil | Sorry if I sound dumb, I haven't used pfsense ever, have you installed it on a VM? |
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| 23:43.23 | aminvakil | Backup your configurations periodically on a usb drive then:)) |
| 23:43.30 | Antoine- | aminvakil: It runs on its own hardware here |
| 23:44.00 | Antoine- | Hmm, that could be a solution :) |
| 23:44.04 | Taserface | antoine: generally for security purposes it's better to grant all of your devices access to the backup server, rather than the other way around. |
| 23:44.21 | Taserface | and if you can, restrict what devices can do on the backup server |
| 23:44.45 | Taserface | as in, arrange it so all they can do is deposit backups |
| 23:44.52 | aminvakil | If someone could access your hardware running pfsense you're compromised anyway |
| 23:44.59 | Antoine- | Taserface: Ok, it makes sense! |
| 23:45.56 | Taserface | if you were to do it the other way around, then your backup server the effective has (at least read) access to EVERYTHING and becomes an annoyingly high risk |
| 23:46.16 | Antoine- | So all devices should access a low privileged user on the backup server |
| 23:47.13 | Taserface | also if you can, get the devices to encrypt during backup. |
| 23:47.48 | Antoine- | Exactly, that's what I thought. In my case its no big deal since its just me and a home server but I thought my backup scheme was wrong for bigger environment |
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| 23:48.17 | Antoine- | Taserface: What do you mean encrypt during backup? Encrypt locally then send to the backup server? |
| 23:48.35 | Taserface | yes that. encrypting on the backup server doesn't reallyhelp |
| 23:48.53 | Taserface | so yeah I just realised, either way the backup has all of your files, or at least copies of them |
| 23:49.00 | Taserface | so encryption helps |
| 23:49.42 | Taserface | you can use a single backup key pair for everything, put the public key on all your devices, and keep the secret key somewhere safe |
| 23:49.58 | Taserface | and/or use a good password on it |
| 23:50.15 | Taserface | btw did you mention what backup software you are using? |
| 23:50.41 | Antoine- | OK yes that sound like a good backup scheme |
| 23:51.02 | Antoine- | Taserface: No, but it's just a shell script with scp and tar at the moment |
| 23:51.14 | Antoine- | Very simple |
| 23:51.25 | Taserface | excellent. |
| 23:51.40 | Taserface | anyway have a mess around with gpg. |
| 23:52.28 | Taserface | if you are clever you can figure out how to use pipelining to run something like tar|gpg -e|ssh "cat > backup.file" |
| 23:52.37 | Taserface | so there is no need to create a temp file to copy |
| 23:52.59 | Taserface | (I don't remember ALL the cmdline options but that's the gist of it, it can be done) |
| 23:52.59 | Antoine- | I'll write this one down! |
| 23:53.40 | Antoine- | I'll think about it. At least I have a better scheme in mind now :) |
| 23:53.47 | Antoine- | Taserface: Thanks a lot! |
| 23:56.30 | Antoine- | aminvakil, milkt: Thanks a lot guys for replying too |
| 23:56.40 | Antoine- | See you! |
