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| 00:07.26 | cluelessperson | a coworker customized a server at work oddly with bash |
| 00:07.37 | cluelessperson | how do I just reconfigure bash to use debian apt's default config files? |
| 00:07.43 | cluelessperson | rip out this nonsense. |
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| 00:09.37 | milkt | cluelessperson: do you mean ~/.bash_profile ~/.bash_login ~/.profile or such? |
| 00:09.42 | milkt | and .bashrc |
| 00:09.56 | cluelessperson | milkt, yeah, they modified the /etc/profile.d as well |
| 00:10.01 | _shawn | theres something like skel |
| 00:10.07 | cluelessperson | milkt, I tried removing just their stuff, but it's still all screwed up |
| 00:10.18 | JackFrost | Specifically, /etc/skel/ |
| 00:10.39 | JackFrost | cluelessperson: Perhaps use dpkg's audit feature or debsums to find the modified files? |
| 00:10.52 | cluelessperson | JackFrost, what command is that? |
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| 00:11.19 | rgwu | cluelessperson: JackFrost means bash installs files there |
| 00:11.32 | _shawn | /etc/skel has the original files saved in it |
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| 00:11.37 | _shawn | for a new user |
| 00:11.51 | JackFrost | cluelessperson: `dpkg --audit` will show you modified files, or should. |
| 00:11.52 | _shawn | .bash_profile and .bashrc |
| 00:11.54 | cluelessperson | _shawn, unless some admin thinks it's smart to edit them screwing up everyone's access to the server with that shell |
| 00:12.12 | _shawn | true |
| 00:12.17 | cluelessperson | JackFrost, shows nothing. |
| 00:12.25 | cluelessperson | dpkg --audit bash |
| 00:12.25 | dpkg | cluelessperson: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 00:12.28 | JackFrost | Err dpkg --verify. Sorry, I normally just use debsums. |
| 00:12.56 | cluelessperson | JackFrost, doesn't show anything either |
| 00:12.59 | cluelessperson | scans over --help |
| 00:13.02 | sney | !confmiss |
| 00:13.02 | dpkg | You have to especially tell the packaging system to reinstall config files because when they are gone, it is assumed that you want them to stay deleted. "aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall $packagename" will restore them (man dpkg for details). If the package uses <ucf> for config file management, ask me about <ucf confmiss>. |
| 00:13.06 | sney | ^ this will reinstall the package with the original config files. it won't overwrite anything in ~ but should get you started. |
| 00:13.48 | rgwu | That won't fix the problem of files bash honors that didn't come packaged with bash. |
| 00:14.07 | JackFrost | Correct, nor will --verify show those. Just modified files. |
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| 00:15.22 | cluelessperson | basically they broke, bash-completion, basic showing you of the host/path you're at, history |
| 00:15.31 | cluelessperson | it makes the shell nearly unusable ha |
| 00:15.59 | rgwu | bash --norc --noprofile # <--This will get you going temporarily |
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| 00:17.41 | _shawn | could make a debootstrap to borrow the files from if you thought /etc/skel might have been tampered with |
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| 00:18.31 | cluelessperson | yeah, I'm confused. I've at this point reinstalled bash with those options, and it doesn't appear to be the normal setup I expect with my servers |
| 00:18.43 | cluelessperson | reinstalls bash-completion |
| 00:18.57 | rgwu | Did you reinstall it with the configuration file settings listed above? |
| 00:19.14 | rgwu | courtesy of sney |
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| 00:20.01 | cluelessperson | rgwu, I did |
| 00:20.25 | cluelessperson | oh I feel dumb |
| 00:20.26 | rgwu | And did you start a new instance of bash afterwards? |
| 00:20.57 | cluelessperson | they configured sh as the default shell |
| 00:21.10 | cluelessperson | okay, we're back in business |
| 00:22.12 | rgwu | Well, at least all your hopes and dreams weren't *dash*ed |
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| 00:23.00 | cluelessperson | :P |
| 00:24.36 | cluelessperson | rgwu, sney JackFrost thank you for your help everyone, and your leads to troubleshooting these things in general. :) |
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| 00:25.56 | Pols12 | Hi! I just tried to backport libgcc from testing to my stable, but now I can't connect anymore: there GUI does not start (only cursor displays) and CTRL+ALT+F1 says logins is incorrect (even root!). What can I do? |
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| 00:32.33 | Taserface | maybe you backported more than just libgcc |
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| 00:42.02 | Pols12 | Thanks for answering, Taserface. In fact, I manually installed packages, and I am pretty sure the last one was libgcc: it refuses to install without --auto-deconfigure, and with auto-deconfiure, it asks me to stop xscreensaver, so I have killed it before continuing, but I may misunderstand the risks |
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| 01:04.25 | jhutchins | Where is the setting for the number of desktops in xfce/buster? |
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| 01:06.11 | dvs | jhutchins: Settings -> Workspaces ? |
| 01:09.24 | JackFrost | Maybe Alt + Ins would do too. |
| 01:25.07 | jhutchins | dvs: Well of course. Thank you. |
| 01:25.16 | dvs | !win me |
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| 01:25.25 | dvs | $10! |
| 01:26.45 | Pols12 | I am downloading a live-CD, however I don't know what to do even after chroot: is there a way to fully reset the login system? |
| 01:27.28 | Pols12 | I mean, what packages should I reinstall since I can't login even as root? |
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| 02:19.36 | deeplogic | how do i upgrade from buster 10.7 to 10.8 ? |
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| 02:21.52 | LtL | deeplogic: apt update && apt upgrade |
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| 02:28.23 | dvs | don't forget dist-upgrade |
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| 02:30.26 | LtL | no need for that |
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| 02:30.55 | dvs | apt-upgrade doesn't install new packages. |
| 02:32.04 | milkt | i think apt-get upgrade and apt upgrade is different |
| 02:33.02 | LtL | apt full-upgrade == apt-get dist-upgrade .. and you don't need it |
| 02:33.39 | milkt | at least "man apt" says "upgrade" install new package if needed |
| 02:34.26 | LtL | I did a server, desktop and laptop, my method. the extra full oor dist upgrade does nothing and is not needed |
| 02:35.18 | LtL | it is needed for release upgrades, not point releases |
| 02:35.33 | themill | There's the occasional point release that does require removing packages to do the upgrade, in which case you're back to needing a full-upgrade. I don't recall that anything hit that for 10.7â10.8 |
| 02:35.41 | LtL | version upgrades rather |
| 02:36.15 | LtL | right.. mine didn't. |
| 02:36.55 | dvs | There was a kernel upgrade just before 10.8 so deeplogic might not have gotten it yet. |
| 02:38.28 | LtL | apt upgrade pulled that kernel in also |
| 02:38.42 | LtL | for me atleast iirc |
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| 05:09.47 | node1 | I'm using debian 10 and found that this NTP service is in inactive status? Please find the details here https://pastebin.com/raw/73FbUwS2 https://pastebin.com/raw/b8Khgfxi |
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| 06:11.27 | karlpinc | node1: `systemctl status ntp` and `ntpq -p`? It may be that you're not using systemd's time service, and are instead using the ntp daemon? |
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| 09:37.23 | Lope | is booting up a debian installation that has nvidia driver installed, on a VM that has no Nvidia GPU attached, normally a problem? I've tried to boot this VM a few times. I get a bunch of libvirtd segfault messages inside the VNC of the VM and it doesn't boot. |
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| 09:39.20 | jelly | Lope, sounds like this libvirtd issue happens on the host, not inside the Debian VM |
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| 09:40.37 | jelly | Lope, what's the host OS? |
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| 09:48.15 | Lope | jelly, the host OS is Debian Bullseye |
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| 09:54.21 | ratrace | nvidia drivers installed means only there's .ko files around and .so thingies for xorg. if there's no nvidia gpu, those wouldn't even be loaded by the kernel and xorg |
| 09:54.23 | jelly | Lope, so accuming the segfaults are on the libvirt client on the host, that's where you have to fix them |
| 09:55.04 | jelly | ratrace, nvidia libgl1 would be used I think |
| 09:55.37 | ratrace | jelly: yeah was just typing about the possibility of opengl libs interfering |
| 09:55.59 | Lope | hmm. My biggest problem at the moment seems to be "A start job is running for Raise network interfaces" 1 min out of 5 mins |
| 09:56.01 | jelly | those vnd wrappers are supposed to help apps using the right libgl1 but I don't know if those exist in buster and if they get installed by default |
| 09:56.30 | Lope | at this point I've literally disabled all of my custom services and have commented out everything in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 09:56.31 | jelly | hasn't touched a nvidia setup in years |
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| 09:57.28 | Lope | I'm running out of ideas here. |
| 09:57.44 | Lope | Should I remove the nvidia driver in order to test the install in a VM? |
| 09:58.00 | jelly | let it timeout and boot up, investigate network in guest |
| 09:58.01 | Lope | the raise network thing seems to have stopped complaining after about 2 mins |
| 09:58.17 | jelly | nvidia should not be related to that at all |
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| 10:00.36 | Lope | okay well the DE isn't starting up, but not too worried about that |
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| 10:00.48 | Lope | I think it might be because I had a nvidia xconfig going on |
| 10:00.52 | Lope | (a custom xorg) |
| 10:00.59 | Lope | (conf) |
| 10:01.24 | ratrace | yeah that's gonna mess things up |
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| 10:01.58 | Lope | yeah I should probably disable that before attempting to boot it in a VM. |
| 10:02.12 | Lope | I should probably just delete the xorg conf. |
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| 10:02.57 | Lope | ratrace, do you know how to power off or reboot inside initramfs dropbear? |
| 10:03.39 | Lope | nothing seems to work: `poweroff` `reboot` `shutdown -h now` `shutdown -r now` `halt` |
| 10:04.03 | Lope | all completely ignored lol. |
| 10:05.08 | ratrace | use absolute path |
| 10:05.20 | ratrace | /sbin/reboot iirc |
| 10:05.44 | Lope | okay will try that |
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| 10:07.34 | Lope | ratrace, `which reboot` shows /usr/sbin/reboot. But if I run `/sbin/reboot` that also does nothing. |
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| 10:09.22 | ratrace | and if you run /usr/sbin/reboot ? |
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| 10:10.36 | Lope | will try |
| 10:10.48 | Lope | BTW the system boots in a VM after deleting the xorg conf |
| 10:11.26 | ratrace | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:16.55 | Lope | thanks for your help :) |
| 10:17.04 | Lope | all the chickens coming home to roost. |
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| 10:39.03 | milkt | is there way i can get old linux-headers-* package from official apt repository? specifically linux-headers-4.19.0-6-amd64 or linux-headers-4.19.0-6-all |
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| 10:45.37 | towo` | milkt, use snapshot repo |
| 10:47.03 | fling | Why is iceweasel replaced with firefox-esr instead of icecat? |
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| 10:48.38 | milkt | towo`: thank you |
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| 10:49.18 | ratrace | fling: because ice* things were naming _hacks_ to work around license limitations that no longer exist? |
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| 10:49.54 | fling | I thought icecat is different |
| 10:49.55 | fling | ok |
| 10:51.05 | ratrace | well icecat might be, but that's not a drop-in replacement for firefox then. |
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| 11:03.31 | NetTerminalGene | there is a misleading line in https://www.debian.org/security/ "In order to receive the latest Debian security advisories, subscribe to the debian-security-announce mailing list. You can use apt to easily get the latest security updates. This requires a line such as deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates main contrib non-free" |
| 11:05.02 | ratrace | NetTerminalGene: which one? |
| 11:06.06 | NetTerminalGene | ratrace: it offers non-free and contrib |
| 11:07.03 | ratrace | why's that misleading? |
| 11:07.43 | NetTerminalGene | it makes you thing you need to add contrib and non-free |
| 11:07.43 | Taserface | I can see something in non-free |
| 11:08.04 | Taserface | heh, intel-microcode |
| 11:08.10 | Taserface | whaddayaknow |
| 11:08.23 | ratrace | NetTerminalGene: it's not a bad advice. it won't install software unexpectedly |
| 11:08.40 | ratrace | but sure, maybe a bit of a disclaimer is in order. I don't see this as misleading tho |
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| 11:32.14 | jelly | NetTerminalGene, https://salsa.debian.org/webmaster-team/webwml/-/blob/master/english/security/index.wml#L56 this line? |
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| 11:37.40 | NetTerminalGene | jelly: yes |
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| 11:38.55 | jelly | if you have a salsa account you can submit a MR, or you can file a bug report for www.debian.org virtual package with a patch if there isn't one already |
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| 11:39.19 | jelly | PR? No idea what it's call in gitlab |
| 11:40.49 | ratrace | it's called P(ull) R(equest) there too |
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| 11:49.02 | agiofws | hello how do i check if my version is stable unstable testing etc? |
| 11:49.42 | agiofws | i'm trying to install one of these https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=firmware-amd-graphics |
| 11:50.29 | NetTerminalGene | agiofws: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 11:50.58 | tomreyn | agiofws: apt policy |
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| 11:55.43 | agiofws | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 11:55.43 | agiofws | 10.8 |
| 11:55.56 | agiofws | what is 10.8 ? |
| 11:56.28 | n4dir | what do you mean? |
| 11:57.47 | agiofws | https://paste.debian.net/1185438/ |
| 11:58.22 | agiofws | i'm trying to find out what exact version of debian i'm running to install one of these https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=firmware-amd-graphics |
| 11:59.06 | Mister00X | agiofws: just do apt install firmware-amd-graphics |
| 11:59.54 | Mister00X | apt will choose the right version depending on the repos in your sources.list |
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| 12:00.14 | agiofws | firmware-amd-graphics is already the newest version (20200918-1~bpo10+1) |
| 12:00.30 | n4dir | packages.debian.org can tell you which version of a given software is in the different repositories (or if at all) |
| 12:01.08 | n4dir | if you install a packge it will install the version (or the hightest version, or according to pinning) to be found through your sources.list(s) |
| 12:01.20 | agiofws | ok but i'm trying to eliminate some bugs that occur from my gpu drivers so i'm going for proprietary amd s/w |
| 12:01.38 | n4dir | so, as Mister00X said, you use the version to be found in your repositories |
| 12:02.19 | agiofws | i'm trying to follow this https://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo |
| 12:03.21 | Mister00X | seems like you allready got them> <agiofws> firmware-amd-graphics is already the newest version (20200918-1~bpo10+1) |
| 12:04.20 | agiofws | https://paste.debian.net/1185440/ |
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| 12:04.58 | agiofws | ok so i'm just edit my grub lines as the guide issues |
| 12:05.12 | agiofws | https://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo |
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| 12:05.52 | Mister00X | agiofws: do you have such an /old/ card? |
| 12:06.15 | tomreyn | you may want to undo the manual markings you just did by issuing that command |
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| 12:06.38 | tomreyn | "set to manually installed" |
| 12:06.54 | tomreyn | use 'sudo apt-mark auto PACKAGENAME' |
| 12:07.54 | agiofws | old ? Mister00X its an APU on a ryzen 5 cpu 4500U |
| 12:08.05 | Mister00X | also agiofws you may want to describe you grafics problems a bit more so we can help you. Because maybe you're looking at the wrong place for a fix |
| 12:09.20 | agiofws | Mister00X, that link is not for old cards but for the newest ones i think ? |
| 12:09.52 | Mister00X | agiofws: this grub stuff is experimental and > AMDGPU/Vulkan on older cards is the section that grub entry is written |
| 12:10.22 | Mister00X | agiofws: so you wont need to edit grub |
| 12:10.22 | agiofws | 03:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Renoir [1002:1636] (rev c3) |
| 12:10.47 | agiofws | let me read that paragraph again |
| 12:11.49 | tomreyn | Renoir is much newer than southern / sea islands generations |
| 12:11.55 | NetTerminalGene | agiofws: you use debian stable and the card you have is relatively new. |
| 12:12.13 | NetTerminalGene | it is possible it wouldn't work |
| 12:12.39 | NetTerminalGene | you need new mesa etc |
| 12:12.45 | NetTerminalGene | kernel |
| 12:13.11 | agiofws | can you tell me if the firmware is inserted ? https://paste.debian.net/1185442/ |
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| 12:14.10 | ratrace | agiofws: look up dmesg | grep -i firmware without any other filters |
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| 12:14.57 | agiofws | https://paste.debian.net/1185443/ |
| 12:16.04 | tomreyn | your graphics card firmware loaded properly |
| 12:16.05 | ratrace | yea, see, the radeon related firmware doesn't reference the word "radeon". looks sorted. you're also missing rtw88/rtw8821c_fw.bin that's probs in firmware-realtek package |
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| 12:17.06 | agiofws | can't download drivers from amd site but it refers to ubuntu and rehl or redaht |
| 12:17.23 | Mister00X | agiofws: as ratrace said you may be also missing the firmware for your rtl8821ce wifi card. Note that from my own suffering it may not work with all types of the rtl8821ce chips |
| 12:17.44 | agiofws | how do i download firmware for 8821c? |
| 12:17.57 | ratrace | agiofws: it's packaged in firmware-realted pacakge |
| 12:17.59 | Mister00X | agiofws: apt install firmware-realtek |
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| 12:18.05 | ratrace | *realtek |
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| 12:18.36 | Mister00X | agiofws: but if it doesnt work you may need this github project |
| 12:18.55 | Mister00X | which is the way my card works at the moment |
| 12:19.13 | ratrace | agiofws: in general you should never install sofware by "downloading" from random sites, you should (always) use apt and friends, for packaged software. the exception becomes when you know what you're doing |
| 12:19.26 | agiofws | Mister00X, https://paste.debian.net/1185444/ |
| 12:20.02 | agiofws | so if i reboot i probably won't have wifi? |
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| 12:20.23 | ratrace | agiofws: I have no idea |
| 12:20.28 | Mister00X | agiofws: do you have wifi at the moment? |
| 12:20.32 | agiofws | yes |
| 12:21.30 | agiofws | ok |
| 12:21.35 | agiofws | rebooting |
| 12:21.58 | ratrace | I'd say chances are it'll continue to work, even better. I don't recall when installing missing firmware actually made things worse .... BUT .... as they call it around these parts..... it's RealCrap, so who the eff knows. |
| 12:22.32 | Mister00X | Im astonished it works anyway |
| 12:23.02 | Mister00X | cause mine is the source of great headaces for me |
| 12:23.17 | ratrace | pry it out with a screwdriver and toss it in the fire |
| 12:23.45 | Mister00X | ratrace: well Im going to get support with kernel 5.12 |
| 12:24.24 | Mister00X | If this github project continues its work until then Im fine |
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| 12:24.36 | agiofws | ok back |
| 12:24.42 | agiofws | thanks |
| 12:26.37 | n4dir | agiofws: it seems, seems !, that you should try to understand the basics of debian's package management. Downloading random stuff and installing it might or will lead into trouble in the long run, and that usually is not how installing packages is done in debian. |
| 12:27.52 | n4dir | your questions made it sound like that, but perhaps i misunderstood. |
| 12:28.07 | tomreyn | agiofws: regarding the graphics issues, i thnk we can sum up that you won't solve them in this debian version through software installations (unless those provide newer, compatible (to the rest of the system) versions of mesa and amdgpu drivers, and possibly Xorg, too) |
| 12:29.31 | tomreyn | configuration changes *may* help contain the problems stemming from lack of implemented functionality to a degree. or, more likely, make things worse. |
| 12:29.56 | tomreyn | and they're gone. |
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| 12:36.41 | akas84 | hello guys, can anyone help me with postfix? I am trying to catchall two different domains, and it does not work, it always goes to the one that is the same as the machine server :( |
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| 12:47.58 | ratrace | akas84: #postfix |
| 12:48.20 | petn-randall | akas84: To set up catch-all mail addresses are a logical fallacy, you shouldn't be doing that. |
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| 12:48.45 | ratrace | that too |
| 12:49.36 | petn-randall | catch-alls will accumulate unending amounts of spam. |
| 12:50.52 | ratrace | may even bring the server down since the botnets aren't really trying to be polite and rate limit amongs themselves.... |
| 12:52.56 | akas84 | mmm why not? can I have mydomain.com go to user1 and myseconddomain.com going to user2? :S |
| 12:53.18 | akas84 | I mean, it works, it accepts de emails, but sends them to the wrong user |
| 12:53.26 | akas84 | de => the :P |
| 12:53.39 | akas84 | will try there, thanks |
| 12:53.55 | ratrace | akas84: you need to post your configs, logs etc... which is all explained in the getting_help factoid in #postfix. please ask there, this is not debian specific |
| 12:54.19 | akas84 | yes yes. I don't think it's debian specific |
| 12:54.27 | akas84 | at least not yet :D |
| 12:54.50 | ratrace | (probably won't be at all, debian doesn't alter postfix) |
| 12:55.16 | petn-randall | ratrace: While I agree with asking in #postfix is best, that's not the rules for getting support here. Any support question on Debian machines can be asked in here, whether Debian-specific or not. |
| 12:55.40 | ratrace | I don't think this is violation of rules, but the question is so specific, it'll get better help in #postfix |
| 12:56.00 | ratrace | and the bot there has the factoids the bots here don't :) |
| 12:56.09 | petn-randall | Indeed :) |
| 12:56.22 | ratrace | this (catchal) is pretty much a FAQ, we got them triggers ready :) |
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| 13:18.18 | agiofws | is there a cli mode to pastebin code? |
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| 13:18.24 | agiofws | cli app |
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| 13:19.05 | Mister00X | !termbin |
| 13:19.06 | dpkg | you can paste to termbin.com from terminal via: nc termbin.com 9999 < /path/to/file |
| 13:19.20 | Mister00X | agiofws: ^^ and welcome back |
| 13:19.30 | agiofws | hi |
| 13:20.32 | Mister00X | agiofws: there is also |
| 13:20.36 | Mister00X | !nopaste |
| 13:20.37 | dpkg | nopaste is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install libapp-nopaste-perl; nopaste /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | nopaste". |
| 13:20.42 | agiofws | i think i had another cli paste bin |
| 13:20.57 | ratrace | pastebinit ... |
| 13:21.08 | ratrace | wgetpaste? but that's not packaged in debian afaik |
| 13:22.03 | agiofws | Mister00X, here is my firmware pastebin https://paste.debian.net/1185450/ |
| 13:23.43 | agiofws | anyway wifi is still working apart from realtek firmware failing to load |
| 13:24.55 | Mister00X | agiofws: well in that case I would not bother with installing it. But if you really want to installit maybe try the version from backports |
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| 13:26.27 | agiofws | i'd like to uninstall it though |
| 13:27.38 | agiofws | (Reading database ... 329587 files and directories currently installed.) |
| 13:27.38 | agiofws | Removing firmware-realtek (20190114-2) ... |
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| 13:36.45 | agiofws | ok thanks |
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| 14:26.10 | noisemaker | Installing a package from -official- source is doable using checkinstall nowadays? |
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| 14:48.44 | Spintus | Hello :) I have 3 Debian machines which run on an ESXI. Unfortunately, I can no longer enter the LUKS password for all of them when starting. After confirming with the ENTER key nothing happens. No error message - nothing. |
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| 14:56.08 | s_ | my colleague recommended a system monitoring tool that basically had a graphical dashboard web ui.. but it was free. is there anything like that you know of? |
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| 14:56.15 | s_ | i just can't remember the name |
| 14:58.11 | ratrace | prometheus + grafana? |
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| 14:59.05 | GNU\colossus | zabbix? |
| 14:59.06 | ratrace | I mean there's a number of monitoring systems and they all have web uis, more or less. there's also zabbix, munin, nagios |
| 15:00.49 | s_ | is nagios free? |
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| 15:02.16 | ratrace | yup |
| 15:03.16 | s_ | ok going to try a few of these out |
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| 15:12.34 | s_ | ooh, i think it was netdata |
| 15:13.37 | s_ | thanks for brainstorming with me on it |
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| 15:26.32 | s_ | it seems like best practice is shifting away from use of packages... a lot of these tools are recommending direct downloads. it reminds me of the old days |
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| 15:27.22 | debclair | Hello, I got a weird output of commands I didnât run right while waiting for zsh to finish loading. I couldnât copy the exact commands at the time, but they were errors about firefox files not found in cache/*/google-*/morgue/*. The actual commands were trying to delete those files that appear to be cache files Firefox stores in a per-website |
| 15:27.23 | debclair | basis. There seems to be a few tools online to decompress those âmorgueâ *.final files. Iâm running Debian Stable, my Firefox is Developer Edition. My question is if this behavior is well known or if it could be a sign of intrusion in my system. |
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| 15:34.22 | jelly | debclair, are you running code in ~/.zshenv, ~/.zshrc, or ~/.zlogin that you did not write yourself |
| 15:34.35 | jelly | "waiting for zsh to finish loading" seems weird |
| 15:34.43 | jelly | it's pretty instant for me |
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| 15:36.33 | debclair | @jelly that made me suspicious as well. Thereâs nothing weird in all the regular startup files that I could think of. I even checked bashâs jic. The lag seemed to come from using direnv and it went away after removing the direnv hook. |
| 15:38.22 | jelly | if direnv looks for stuff in current directory, and you traverse dirs where you don't know exact contents of (say, pulled from someone's git you don't trust 100%), that sounds like a recipe for disaster |
| 15:39.25 | jelly | > Before each prompt it checks for the existence of an ".envrc" file in the current and parent directories. If the file exists, it is loaded [...] |
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| 15:40.02 | jelly | so... it's basically a way for your shell to execute code that may have come from remote. |
| 15:42.01 | debclair | Yeah, but itâs kind of a well-known tool afaik. And I donât use it outside work nor have a .envrc in my home directory. |
| 15:42.35 | jelly | it could be in ANY directory you cd into, or its .. |
| 15:43.10 | jelly | maybe it's well known, but unless you take care to exclude .envrc from git clone and similar, it's also a security nightmare |
| 15:43.19 | jelly | even if it works as designed |
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| 15:44.41 | jelly | (it's weird if it happens when cwd is just $HOME, okay) |
| 15:44.42 | debclair | I think it warns when it detects a .envrc file. It has to be vetted explicitely to get into effect. |
| 15:45.14 | debclair | Via ~direnv allow~. |
| 15:45.27 | jelly | I'm just going by the package description, never used it myself |
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| 15:57.35 | Zajt | Hi, I am trying to fix keyboard language on my debian on my macbook. And I fixed it by doing: dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration , and then: udevadm trigger --subsystem-match=input --action=change |
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| 15:59.33 | Zajt | but this does not persist across reboots, and after fixing it in one terminal and I spawn a new i3 terminal window, it doesn't have the new keyboard layout |
| 15:59.48 | Zajt | I don't know why it doesn't get set through all shells and across reboot |
| 15:59.53 | Zajt | What am I missing? |
| 16:00.46 | th0r | Zajt, just a guess...are you running the commands as root? |
| 16:01.08 | Zajt | yes I ran it as root, that is needed th0r |
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| 16:08.19 | debclair | @Zajt you could add the commands you used to your i3 config to enable them on startup as specified in this answer? https://superuser.com/questions/1147320/how-to-change-keyboard-layout-in-i3 |
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| 16:29.41 | s_ | wow prometheus is just a backend.. ok |
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| 16:37.03 | hasan | how to update debian kernal |
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| 16:41.39 | abrotman | Patience .. |
| 16:44.02 | diogenes_ | !backports |
| 16:44.03 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
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| 16:44.50 | diogenes_ | <hasan> ^^^^ |
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| 16:53.32 | abrotman | diogenes_: long gone ... |
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| 16:54.19 | diogenes_ | roger that |
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| 17:13.47 | s_ | wow prometheus + grafana. |
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| 17:19.58 | hendursaga | Debian 10 doesn't come with SELinux setup by default right? |
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| 17:20.43 | abrotman | hendursaga: correct |
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| 17:40.43 | towser | I can't add to my network bridge in brctl it says opperation not supported |
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| 17:43.48 | towser | this is on Deepin |
| 17:44.05 | sney | !deepin |
| 17:44.06 | dpkg | deepin is a Chinese distribution <based on debian>. It is not supported on #debian. Try their forums at https://www.deepin.org/en/ or #deepin on irc.freenode.net |
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| 17:46.13 | Zajt | Hi, how can I make this service start later during the boot process https://imgur.com/Vhx0ElE ? |
| 17:46.29 | GNUtoo | Hi, I'm upgrading a machine to buster, and that machine had a php repos added (https://packages.sury.org/php/), is there a way to easily remove it before upgrading to buster? |
| 17:46.41 | sney | Zajt: change the After value |
| 17:47.11 | GNUtoo | For instance with Arch / Parabola you can do pacman -Syuu and that will dongrade packages to the repos packages, but I didn't find how to do it in Debian |
| 17:47.16 | sney | GNUtoo: the sury packages should upgrade fine, just comment out the repo in sources.list |
| 17:47.41 | sney | apt does not support large scale downgrades. |
| 17:47.52 | aminvakil | what is your guys general advice on enabling backports in sources? do you enable it on your critical servers too? doesn't security updates gets backported to main? |
| 17:47.59 | GNUtoo | thanks a lot |
| 17:48.25 | Zajt | sney what should I put it as? |
| 17:48.33 | Zajt | if I wanna start as late as possible |
| 17:49.12 | sney | aminvakil: packages in backports usually get updated at the same time as the package in testing, so they do get "security" support even though they are not handled by the debian security team. still, I only install backports on a server if I have a specific need for that newer version. |
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| 17:50.00 | aminvakil | sney: this is the exact answer i was hoping for, thanks! |
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| 17:52.55 | sney | Zajt: that depends on your system. multi-user.target or graphical.target might be worth trying. |
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| 17:53.49 | aminvakil | i only used debian previously for my proxmox installations, i used centos everywhere else but as you know it's not possible anymore, i'm migrating all my playbooks, vms and stuff to debian slowly |
| 17:54.15 | Zajt | tried multi-user.target now, it doesn't run at all |
| 17:54.36 | Zajt | btw what is the "Restart=always" doing as mentioned here https://wiki.debian.org/systemd/Services ? |
| 17:54.41 | aminvakil | also as hendursaga asked debian does not come with selinux by default, but it can be configured as it's been written on https://wiki.debian.org/SELinux/Setup, but as i've heard and read previously it's not supported and as good as it is on centos |
| 17:54.44 | Zajt | when will it restart? |
| 17:55.04 | aminvakil | what is your suggestion on that? using apparmor? |
| 17:55.20 | sney | debian recommends apparmor over selinux, yes. |
| 17:56.23 | aminvakil | sorry if this is a dumb question, i have very little experience with apparmor, does it support labeling files too like selinux? |
| 17:56.42 | aminvakil | so that for example apache cannot write on files even it's running as owner of files or so |
| 17:57.36 | sney | to the best of my knowledge, you can do the same things in both frameworks. debian has some documentation here: https://wiki.debian.org/AppArmor/HowToUse |
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| 17:59.08 | aminvakil | sney: thanks again, i should try and see myself then |
| 17:59.15 | aminvakil | !tias |
| 17:59.15 | dpkg | TIAS is "Try It And See". |
| 17:59.35 | sney | indeed :) |
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| 18:23.35 | JordiGH | The Great Debian Init Debate, part 5: https://www.twitch.tv/hay__ |
| 18:24.29 | jelly | JordiGH, who would even want to listen to that |
| 18:26.48 | JordiGH | jelly: I am learning a lot! |
| 18:27.20 | sney | I guess you weren't around for that flamewar while it was happening? |
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| 18:28.22 | JordiGH | The flames seem very polite! |
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| 18:30.16 | sney | at the time, based on some comments, you'd think that installing systemd meant Lennart Poettering was going to personally come to your house and kick your dog. if that nonsense has been left out of the historical record, then that's not so bad, heh |
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| 18:31.27 | JordiGH | This is the TC debate. I don't know if it was like this in all mailing lists, but the TC debate seems awfully civil. |
| 18:32.02 | sney | ah yeah, they have standards. |
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| 19:05.22 | JordiGH | Hahah, the systemd maintainer graduated from the peanut gallery. |
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| 19:14.21 | maxtim | how can I route traffic using iptables with specific port to specific port? (eg: source: 192.168.1.45:80 -> port 81) |
| 19:14.48 | maxtim | (This is for graylogs: sudo iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p udp --dport 514 -j REDIRECT --to 1514) |
| 19:15.14 | Zajt | What is the recommended way to install ansible on debian? I ran apt update and then apt install ansible, but I get ansible-playbook version 2.7.7, but my friend have version 2.10.4 |
| 19:16.25 | maxtim | My thought is to split the incoming syslog sources via ports with iptables. so 192.168.1.10:514 -> port 1514, 192.168.1.11:514 -> port 1515, etc... |
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| 19:19.40 | hendursaga | How do I switch network interfaces during installation? One network is done so... |
| 19:23.26 | hendursaga | *down, also, I'm using the netinst iso |
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| 19:32.22 | maxtim | hendursaga, you can press back at anytime and you'll see all the steps laid out |
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| 19:36.54 | hendursaga | Ah! The configure network step was larger than I thought, it didn't complete |
| 19:37.41 | aminvakil | Zajt: ansible recommends pip, don't know what debian recommends |
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| 19:43.14 | piranhaphish | How can I disable warnings for an invalid signature when doing 'apt-get update' with a repository that is now defunct? I have added the key with 'apt-key add' and the signature in the complaint is the same as in APT's trust store. So I don't get it. |
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| 19:46.51 | piranhaphish | I've tried "[trusted=yes]" in sources.list with no luck. I have another host using the same sources and it doesn't complain, but can't remember what I might have done to silence the warnings about the invalid signature |
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| 19:50.19 | Zajt | aminvakil then ansible-playbook doesn't get installed |
| 19:50.37 | Zajt | it only gets installed if you use apt which gives outdated version |
| 19:51.14 | aminvakil | then you're not installing it correctly or haven't removed package correctly |
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| 19:51.20 | aminvakil | from debian source |
| 19:51.32 | aminvakil | overall i don't think using pip to install a package system-wide is a good idea |
| 19:52.03 | aminvakil | i would create a venv and install ansible in it using pip if i had to use an os which doesn't ship latest ansible |
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| 20:05.38 | slowly_stuck | what's the right way to set up encrypted dns? configure the system to query cloudflare (1.1.1.1) over ssl, or is there a way to do DoH/DoT on Buster? |
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| 20:06.52 | SponiX | slowly_stuck: system wide, or just the browser ? |
| 20:07.36 | slowly_stuck | SponiX: system wide |
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| 20:31.53 | taman | slowly_stuck: try a web search for something like "unbound dns over tls". Or s/unbound/your favourite resolver/ if you prefer. |
| 20:32.30 | aminvakil | how i can purge packages using autoremove ? |
| 20:33.13 | aminvakil | for example i install mariadb-server and then i execute apt purge mariadb-server and it will be purged with its configuration files |
| 20:33.30 | aminvakil | but apt autoremove will remove the dependencies leaving configuration files |
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| 20:41.10 | aminvakil | ^" https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/522487/280841 |
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| 21:01.51 | hendursaga | Is there a maximum password length for LUKS/Debian??? |
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| 21:04.58 | rudi_s | hendursaga: There shouldn't be any (reasonable) limit. |
| 21:05.53 | rudi_s | Something like 80 characterso definately works and key-files of 4K or so work too. But I didn't test any more "extreme" limits. |
| 21:08.00 | rudi_s | But as all passwords are stretched anyway there should be no limit. |
| 21:08.18 | hendursaga | Hmmm. What about CAPS LOCK? |
| 21:08.43 | rudi_s | hendursaga: Uppercase works too, obviously. - What is the real question? |
| 21:08.44 | hendursaga | During entry the LED doesn't go on or off |
| 21:09.13 | hendursaga | I just installed Debian with a fairly long password and now I can't decrypt the disk |
| 21:09.23 | rudi_s | Should work just fine. But haven't tested it in a while (I don't use capslock). |
| 21:09.38 | rudi_s | Different keyboard layout? |
| 21:09.49 | hendursaga | Nah, should just be US |
| 21:10.03 | hendursaga | Plus when it dropped into ash shell keyboard worked jus fine |
| 21:10.14 | rudi_s | Hm, then it should work. |
| 21:10.15 | hendursaga | Perhaps I just forgot my password in a span of hours? Ouch. |
| 21:11.05 | rudi_s | Could be. You could also try the installer's rescue mode to get a very similar setup to the installation. |
| 21:11.19 | rudi_s | Just in case it's something keyboard related. |
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| 21:13.02 | hendursaga | I tried that. Still the same. |
| 21:13.14 | hendursaga | Guess I'll just reinstall :/ |
| 21:13.27 | piranhaphish | @aminvakil apt-get --purge autoremove |
| 21:13.56 | aminvakil | piranhaphish: thanks! |
| 21:15.47 | hendursaga | rudi_s: Can I skip the random data step this time without compromising security? |
| 21:16.53 | rudi_s | hendursaga: Yes. - And depending on your level of paranoia you can always skip it, even for "blank" disks. |
| 21:17.19 | rudi_s | All it does is prevent an attacker from knowing which parts of the disk were written. This is not really relevent for most scenarios. |
| 21:17.26 | rudi_s | I never initialize my disks with random data. |
| 21:17.46 | hendursaga | Good to know |
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| 21:18.14 | hendursaga | Also, I downloaded the netinst iso and it only gives me the option to install core - is that expected? Like, would I have a graphical environment? |
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| 21:19.34 | hendursaga | And which one? GNOME with Wayland? |
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| 21:19.44 | rudi_s | hendursaga: netinst requires internet access to install more packages. But you should be able to select anything you want in the installler. |
| 21:20.04 | rudi_s | Personally I only install a minimal system (all options cleared) and then later install what I want with `apt`. |
| 21:20.29 | hendursaga | But it only listed one option? |
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| 21:21.25 | rudi_s | Hm, that's weird. Never saw that. Did you say "yes" when asked about using a network mirror? |
| 21:23.56 | hendursaga | Yes, although I had to mess with the network config again because I was no longer connected via Ethernet |
| 21:24.05 | hendursaga | I'll see if it does it again |
| 21:24.53 | n4dir | if you are using the netinstall.iso you sure want to have network. |
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| 21:27.59 | hendursaga | I did have it, earlier |
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| 21:32.00 | n4dir | very raw version of the installation process would be: a couple of easy questions, including network setup; partitioner, installing the debian "base" system, taskel, where you get asked if and which DesktopEnvironment and a bit of other software to install, installing grub |
| 21:32.35 | n4dir | So you didn't see that checkboxes where you could pick from different DesktopEnvironments, cups, ssh, standard-task, a bit more? |
| 21:32.44 | hendursaga | Yes, I did not. |
| 21:32.56 | n4dir | that is weird, indeed. No idea, sorry |
| 21:34.01 | n4dir | after partitioning the installer installs quite a bit, it will take a while, after that you should see taskel, said checkbox |
| 21:34.18 | n4dir | there are probably pictures online about it. |
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| 21:35.17 | n4dir | but it is easy to realize, as it lists quite a few of desktop environments. |
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| 21:36.14 | hendursaga | Well, I'm re-installing, so we'll see. |
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| 21:38.26 | n4dir | hendursaga: that picture is not an actual one, but i think it gives you the idea: https://wiki.debian.org/tasksel (top right is the picture) |
| 21:39.22 | hendursaga | n4dir: I got to the selection, it's listed this time |
| 21:39.31 | hendursaga | Now, where DEs support Wayland? |
| 21:39.33 | hendursaga | *which |
| 21:40.27 | jmcnaught | GNOME and KDE Plasma |
| 21:40.44 | hendursaga | Lightweight, I mean |
| 21:41.12 | _shawn | they are lightweight |
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| 21:41.49 | hendursaga | I just tried GNOME with Fedora and everything was painfully slow |
| 21:41.59 | _shawn | lightweight compared to what? I'm running gnome 3.38 on a haswell 1.4ghz dual core celeron and it is super smooth |
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| 21:42.13 | _shawn | maybe fedora was missing something you need |
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| 21:43.10 | hendursaga | Out of the box? I've tried it two times over the years, same result. Hmmm. I wonder if Plasma is good enough. |
| 21:43.20 | n4dir | calling gnome or kde lightweight sure doesn't lack humor |
| 21:43.42 | Azrael_- | hi |
| 21:43.45 | Azrael_- | i'm running "mysqldump <mydb> | gzip > backup.sql.gz" but i want to suppress all error output of mysqldump. i tried "mysqldump <mydb> 2> /dev/null | gzip > backup.sql.gz" but this didn't output anything any more. how do i do it properly? |
| 21:43.54 | hendursaga | I suppose if it runs on a PinePhone though... eh, Plasma it is. |
| 21:44.43 | _shawn | but I made an example of a very old system that, I should add only has 4gb of ram and 128gib ssd, that runs Kde and gnome3 both very smoothly. what are you using it on that you think it isn /not/ lightweight? |
| 21:46.03 | hendursaga | I'm not sure, maybe hardware acceleration didn't work |
| 21:46.16 | _shawn | your graphics issues are probally not due to it's size or efficiency , it most likely you dont have 3d acceleration working |
| 21:46.46 | hendursaga | Yeah that's what I figured :/ |
| 21:46.47 | _shawn | try a distro liveUSB that doesnt have such a strong stance on free software to see how smoothly it /can/ run on your system |
| 21:46.58 | _shawn | and then go back and fix it on Debian |
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| 21:49.04 | _shawn | at least debian has non-free repos, Fedora it gets a little weird and even less supported with RPM Fusion |
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| 21:49.57 | Rob_Jones | Hey has anyone here put cpanel on their linux server? |
| 21:50.03 | Rob_Jones | looking for some advice |
| 21:50.15 | aminvakil | Rob_Jones: you probably want some advice from centos guys |
| 21:50.21 | aminvakil | but they won't support panels in #centos too |
| 21:50.30 | Rob_Jones | running a debian server |
| 21:50.35 | aminvakil | cpanel cannot be installed on debian |
| 21:50.40 | Rob_Jones | ahh damn ok |
| 21:50.50 | Rob_Jones | is there a debian compatible equivalent? |
| 21:51.19 | aminvakil | ispconfig can be installed on debian 10, i haven't used it though myself |
| 21:52.17 | Rob_Jones | im just looking at apiscp now |
| 21:53.50 | jhutchins | !webmin |
| 21:53.50 | dpkg | Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Removed from Debian post-Sarge, see http://bugs.debian.org/343897 . The Debian package from webmin.com is of poor quality. See <free whcp> for alternatives. |
| 21:54.56 | jhutchins | Rob_Jones: Web based configuration management is inherently insecure and subject to complete system degredation. |
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| 21:55.19 | Rob_Jones | so whats the alternatives? |
| 21:55.43 | jhutchins | Console-based administration. |
| 21:56.09 | _shawn | hendursaga: if you just want to see how it will really work on your system, Solus uses non-free on their liveUSBs, they have .isos with Kde Plasma and Gnome3. Note: I am not recommending Solus other than for using their .iso to test the DEs |
| 21:56.10 | Rob_Jones | what if part of the service is web hosting? |
| 21:56.13 | jhutchins | Through a secure shell. |
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| 21:56.55 | jmcnaught | configuration management systems like Ansible or Puppet stored in a version control system. |
| 21:57.22 | hendursaga | _shawn: I'll check I guess |
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| 21:59.55 | Rob_Jones | what if you need a full dashboard management, emails, ssl, file management? |
| 22:00.43 | jhutchins | Rob_Jones: Either the clients hire someone who's capable of linux administration, or they pay you to do it. |
| 22:00.53 | aminvakil | jhutchins++ |
| 22:01.30 | Rob_Jones | a lot of web hosts these days will provide that service though, not sure why someone would choose my company if they can get it somewere else |
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| 22:03.22 | jhutchins | Because you provide secure, reliable hosting with expert management. |
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| 22:06.35 | aminvakil | Because you charge them more |
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| 22:07.29 | Azrael_- | nm, solved it |
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| 22:28.21 | ratrace | Rob_Jones: if you insist on a panel, use Plesk. Forget about the free and opensource stuff, that sucks beyond imagination |
| 22:28.39 | Rob_Jones | yeah I am looking into plesk |
| 22:28.50 | ratrace | that said.... panels suck. they're really only usefull if you're selling the panels themelves, in a shared hosting product to webmasters |
| 22:29.02 | Rob_Jones | im just no good with server administration |
| 22:29.04 | ratrace | if you don't intend to offer shared hosting accounts to webmasters ... forget plesk too |
| 22:29.07 | ratrace | learn it |
| 22:29.24 | ratrace | delegating that to a panel does not help when you find yourself in an anomaly that even the panel can't fix |
| 22:29.33 | Rob_Jones | i could do but I would always have that 'what if' thought in the back of my head |
| 22:29.39 | Rob_Jones | set up an email server |
| 22:29.44 | Rob_Jones | what if it gets compromised |
| 22:30.07 | ratrace | and you think panels are somehow fairy dust magick and 100% fault proof? no "what if" for "someone else's work that I know nothing about, aka the panel"? |
| 22:30.31 | Rob_Jones | thats true I guess, but surely they have alot more knowledge about this stuff then i do |
| 22:30.43 | ratrace | I'm paranoid. full of "what if" doubts. but I trust my own adminship far more than a panel |
| 22:31.07 | ratrace | Rob_Jones: I wasn't born with it tho |
| 22:31.20 | ratrace | maybe I learnt it. maybe it's maybelline. |
| 22:31.26 | Rob_Jones | :P |
| 22:31.38 | Rob_Jones | think its possible to learn from like udemy? |
| 22:31.51 | Rob_Jones | or where is the best place to go for linux server administration |
| 22:31.52 | ratrace | never used udemy courses, so I can't judge |
| 22:31.58 | Rob_Jones | other than this irc ofcourse ;) |
| 22:32.33 | ratrace | I learnt it by simply doing it. Used linux as my primary driver for a year or so before I dared running a public service, which was a VPS. Today I command a fleet of dozens of mission critical servers for a number of companies. |
| 22:32.46 | ratrace | public *server |
| 22:33.09 | ratrace | however, I've been "into hosting" since 1995, shared hosting user/webmaster. started using linux in 2006 |
| 22:34.08 | ratrace | but you don't need that long to get used to and comfortable with running a server. my guess is anyone can learn to be comfortable with running a server within a year or two of direct experience |
| 22:35.18 | ratrace | (point here is, not to brag, but to tell you that even after all these years I still have "what if" doubts) |
| 22:35.52 | Rob_Jones | I guess its always going to be in the back of your mind |
| 22:35.58 | Rob_Jones | im a confident coder |
| 22:36.05 | ratrace | btw, there's Linux Academy, I think they're more dedicated to Linux than Udemy with courses |
| 22:36.22 | Rob_Jones | Linux academy hmm cheers will look into that now |
| 22:36.27 | Rob_Jones | also on the topic of panels |
| 22:36.34 | ratrace | Rob_Jones: it'll never go away, esp. since the software constantly changes. each release brings a sackful of new bugs to be afraid of :) |
| 22:36.43 | Rob_Jones | what about web panels created by moi that communicate with shell scripts? |
| 22:36.56 | ratrace | by what? |
| 22:37.06 | Rob_Jones | moi (french for me) ;) |
| 22:37.16 | jhutchins | Rob_Jones: I've gotten most of my knowledge from books like the ones Orielly publishes. Running Linux was where I got my start. I have some books on bash, on MySQL, and on sendmail. |
| 22:37.38 | Rob_Jones | hmm i might have to look into my old university library |
| 22:37.39 | ratrace | Rob_Jones: oh bien sur... :) |
| 22:37.44 | jhutchins | Rob_Jones: These days there's a lot of good stuff on line, but you need to be sure it's current and from a reliable source. |
| 22:38.07 | Rob_Jones | yeah read something the other day then at the bottom of the post it said Aug 2012 |
| 22:38.10 | Rob_Jones | was just like derp |
| 22:38.20 | ratrace | Rob_Jones: separation of (web) ui and higher privilege dedicated scripts is definitely the way to go (instead of running the web app in higher privilege mode) |
| 22:38.50 | jhutchins | Rob_Jones: A lot of the stuff I learned back in the 90s is still valid, but some is not. |
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| 22:39.15 | Rob_Jones | at the moment I am paying a fair amount for gsuite but would love to migrate it all to my server |
| 22:39.23 | Rob_Jones | might make it my first project as a practice |
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| 22:40.26 | Z4CHe | hello |
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| 22:45.22 | aminvakil | Also check out cbt nuggets, their trainings are dedicated to Linux and network |
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| 22:45.40 | Rob_Jones | will do |
| 22:45.47 | Rob_Jones | anyone have any opinions on apache vs nginx |
| 22:47.13 | tomreyn | yes, a lot have opinions on this. |
| 22:47.35 | ratrace | pre-empting a httpd war? don't bother. nginx ftw, everyone knows that :) ;) |
| 22:51.13 | dvs | !start a web server war |
| 22:51.26 | ratrace | !start a httpd war |
| 22:51.38 | ratrace | kicks dpkg |
| 22:51.50 | Rob_Jones | so what your saying is httpd is superior right ;) |
| 22:52.23 | hendursaga | ?!? Now this gets even more confusing! So, now, entering my LUKS password works, but not only that, but it shows asterisks when I type it in, which hasn't happened for the previous installations.. |
| 22:52.57 | hendursaga | rudi_s: What do you make of it? |
| 22:53.11 | ratrace | it shouldn't be doing that. is that cryptsetup's initramfs scripts? |
| 22:53.16 | gordonfish | s/a httpd/an httpd/ # unless you're actually sounding it out some how ;p |
| 22:53.56 | gordonfish | (I would image attempting to do so to come out fairly flatulant..) |
| 22:54.21 | hendursaga | ratrace: I think so? Whatever is the first password to enter for decrypting the drive |
| 22:55.01 | hendursaga | And now, I installed KDE with my installation, but it does not boot into a graphical environment?! |
| 22:57.23 | hendursaga | And now, after entering startx, all the graphics are positively corrupted. I think I saw some message about Radeon firmware missing.. that it? |
| 23:00.05 | ratrace | perhaps solve one problem at a time? about asterisks, if that's default installer's encryption setup, which is cryptsetup initramfs-tools scripts, then yes, it's showing asterisks. dunno if you can disable that |
| 23:00.46 | hendursaga | Well, it wasn't before, when it wouldn't accept my password, previous install. (See above) |
| 23:00.52 | ratrace | what's "before"? |
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| 23:01.40 | hendursaga | Scroll up. I asked about maximum password length like two hours ago. |
| 23:03.29 | hendursaga | Anyways, I'm no longer having issues with LUKS. |
| 23:04.15 | ratrace | okay then startx issue next? check the kernel logs (dmesg or /var/log/kern.log or journalctl -k) as well as /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 23:04.28 | ratrace | actually... with startix... the xorg log will be somwehre under ~/.local/ methinks |
| 23:04.41 | ratrace | *startx |
| 23:04.59 | hendursaga | Actually I wanted to use just Wayland |
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| 23:05.51 | ratrace | then startx is out of the question |
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| 23:06.13 | ratrace | I think KDE is also (kwin not yet wayland ready, I think, but don't quote me on that) |
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| 23:06.56 | hendursaga | And... another bug. I made the mistake of closing my laptop lid to move it closer to this computer... |
| 23:07.03 | ratrace | gnome should be quite ready for wayland, and there's smaller compositors like sway |
| 23:07.29 | hendursaga | So I should've installed GNOME instead? |
| 23:07.45 | ratrace | if you want wayland, I think gnome is the best choice right now (if you want a full DE) |
| 23:08.37 | hendursaga | And... rebooting, the screen doesn't show at all!! |
| 23:08.46 | ratrace | I mean there's really not many options. gnome and sway. KDE's kwin is getting there, and .... what else is tehre? xfce has no wayland compositor afaik |
| 23:08.55 | jmcnaught | https://wiki.debian.org/KDE#Wayland.2C_touchscreens.2C_autorotation.2C_hi-DPI |
| 23:09.10 | hendursaga | Oh I'm using KDE Plasma, if that's a bit different |
| 23:09.19 | jmcnaught | there's apparently a plasma-workspace-wayland package that enables it, more details at the link. |
| 23:09.55 | ratrace | especially read the second paragraph |
| 23:10.37 | hendursaga | And now the screen works again. |
| 23:12.14 | hendursaga | So, what should I do? Install GNOME? Uninstall KDE? |
| 23:12.46 | jmcnaught | If you prefer KDE Plasma then see how it goes with Wayland. I use GNOME with Wayland on buster and I have no problems. |
| 23:13.30 | ratrace | gnome+wayland is good enough for it to be default on debian and fedorah, and 'buntu is gearing up for it again for 21.04 |
| 23:13.42 | ratrace | but indeed, since you have kde, TIAS. And read this: https://community.kde.org/Plasma/Wayland_Showstoppers |
| 23:13.45 | hendursaga | I really haven't used either in awhile |
| 23:15.16 | hendursaga | Goodness. Showstoppers indeed. |
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| 23:16.46 | hendursaga | This guide should do the trick? https://linuxhint.com/install_gnome_debian_10_minimal_server/ |
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| 23:17.24 | ratrace | hendursaga: just run `tasksel` and choose gnome. but eh.... dunno how to easily remove KDE |
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| 23:18.19 | hendursaga | That will be fine for now. |
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| 23:19.00 | ratrace | btw, even if you use the wayland protocol for gnome/mutter, the system will still going to install, and use, Xorg. xwayland is needed to run programs that don't yet work under wayland. that should be transparent tho, but keep in mind that xorg might still be running |
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| 23:20.35 | hendursaga | Gotcha. Now I have network issues. Gah! |
| 23:21.22 | ratrace | pauli effect |
| 23:21.51 | hendursaga | I've been using Linux for over a decade and I've never had this many issues installing something :/ |
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| 23:23.01 | ratrace | maybe too new hardware? firmware needed? default debian installation media don't come with non-free firmware |
| 23:23.28 | hendursaga | This is an old system, I had Debian 8 running on it for some time |
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| 23:28.30 | hendursaga | OK Ethernet works again. |
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| 23:30.18 | ratrace | oh yay, we're in soft freeze! |
| 23:30.35 | dvs | wants that ice cream |
| 23:30.52 | hendursaga | wants that brain-freeze. |
| 23:31.29 | Taserface | as in bullseye is getting released soon? |
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| 23:33.10 | SoundShaman | the debian freeze is sometime in march so bullseye will be released sometime before then i'm sure |
| 23:33.15 | ratrace | Taserface: yea |
| 23:33.19 | jmcnaught | https://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases#Release_statistics has a column for freeze length of the previous releases to get an idea. |
| 23:33.29 | ratrace | SoundShaman: you mean _after_ |
| 23:33.35 | SoundShaman | oh yeah my bad |
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| 23:33.37 | SoundShaman | lol |
| 23:33.45 | hendursaga | Valentine's Day present I guess |
| 23:34.11 | ratrace | that's the 5.11 kernel |
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| 23:39.38 | hendursaga | Major upgrade there, huh. I forgot I was on 4.19 |
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| 23:41.54 | kingsley | Does any package provide a firewall for USB ports? |
| 23:42.01 | kingsley | If so, what's it called? |
| 23:44.02 | ratrace | what's a firewall for usb ports? |
| 23:44.26 | Taserface | a wut |
| 23:44.41 | ratrace | the only thing that I can imagine coming close to that is part of grsec patches, it's no longer freely availabe, since kernel 4.9 |
| 23:45.07 | ratrace | ie. prevention of USB devices from changing from, say, a mouse, into a keyboard, like "BadUSB" xploit |
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| 23:45.47 | Taserface | kingley: what is the problem you are attempting to solve |
| 23:47.03 | ratrace | oh look: |
| 23:47.06 | ratrace | ,i usbguard |
| 23:47.10 | judd | Package usbguard (utils, optional) in buster/amd64: USB device authorization policy framework. Version: 0.7.4+ds-1+b1; Size: 119.2k; Installed: 413k; Homepage: https://dkopecek.github.io/usbguard/ |
| 23:47.12 | kingsley | Maybe I owe you an apology for not prefacing my question with the explanation that a little-known security vulnerability is running malware in USB device controllers, like in thumb drives. |
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| 23:47.35 | ratrace | kingsley: BadUSB is very much known |
| 23:47.48 | kingsley | ratrace: Thank you. |
| 23:49.39 | ratrace | I was actually thinkign about using an RPI to plug unknown usb devices into it, instead of my workstations or servers. |
| 23:50.02 | ratrace | like have an actual physical separation for badusb things |
| 23:50.13 | ratrace | airgap'd |
| 23:51.31 | koollman | that reminds me of a feature I wanted to have for a while ... basically disabling usb hotplug, and making everything 'manual' for each usb devices listed |
| 23:52.50 | ratrace | look at the usbguard package then, it does that, you specify rules, which usb ids may connect on which ports |
| 23:53.15 | ratrace | interesting little thingy |
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| 23:58.22 | hendursaga | I got GNOME installed. Now how do I run it on Wayland? I'm still booting into console. |
| 23:59.19 | jmcnaught | gdm3 is not starting? |
| 23:59.46 | koollman | ratrace: usbguard seems quite nice indeed |
| 23:59.51 | koollman | thanks |